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WarZ

I hate Hopkins during the Roy Jones era. But I have to appreciate his thing now. His last 3 fights were entertaining. At his age you have to ask how is this guy were able to beat young champions. Hopkins is one of the guys who don’t have a flashy skills and athletism Floyd or Roy Jones has. But if you look and observe very carefully they have something that others don’t have. There is one guy I observe that seems to have no skill at all and yet he became a heavyweight world champion not just once but twice,his name is John Ruiz. So please try to observe more and try to understand why are these guys keep on winning.

Posted April 18, 2014 1:20 pm 


Anonymous

Hopkins’ plan for winning the fight is by the judges, referee, boxing commission, etc., remember how Khan was treated by Peterson’s referee, judges, boxing commission? Peterson was also on roids……….If Shumenov were to knock Hopkins down, the ref will call it a slip. Hopkins can throw all the low blows he wants, to the legs, hips, balls, etc., use his elbows, head butts, hold, etc.

Posted April 18, 2014 2:19 am 


TARK

GTFOOH with Tamas “Tomi Kid” Kovacs…

The guy had never fought anyone so it doesn’t matter how many punches Shumenov landed on him.. You can’t miss the guy he’s so easy to hit.

Shumenov can’t box.. He can’t defend himself.. He’s a sitting duck.. He’s got no game.. He can fling his right hand and that’s all he ever does… Jab, jab fling… jab, jab, jab, fling… The jab is not a serious punch for him, just a measuring… This would be like Ingo knocking out Patterson if Shumenov won … a major upset because he can’t really box a lick.

Posted April 18, 2014 1:42 am 


Ken

Hopkins is one of the most disrepcetful people not only in the ring but to the public. He craps on the people. Fake friendly interviews until the camera goes off then its like C ya. The guys fake in it for the MOOOOOLLLLAAAAAHHHH

Posted April 18, 2014 12:30 am 


walrus

Bernard is a legend

Posted April 17, 2014 9:20 pm 


BEARS

hopkins is PURE GARBAGE son

Posted April 17, 2014 8:01 pm 


eric

That’s what you call it and master of stealing rounds ? Lol, if that’s the case then klitschko was a master of stealing rounds in his bout against Alexander in Russia, but ofcourse that won’t happen.

Posted April 17, 2014 5:28 pm 


Davis

25 years of Hopkins , cliching, stalling alking around jab, clinch, jab, clinch, walk around clinch, stop, stall, clinch, jab then clinch again, throw low blow, clinch, walk, head butt clinch

Posted April 17, 2014 4:51 pm 


Gus

Hard to beat a fighter who is a master at stealing rounds .Hopkins. Runs around the ring looking for the spot to jump in , flurry, then clinch and only engaging the last 10 seconds. He could go the limit with Klitzko and maybe come out of the fight with a disqualification of Klizko for fouling out of frustration.

Posted April 17, 2014 4:40 pm 


eric

Mayweather, vladimir and b hop most boring fighters, if there was a contest, b hop would take first place by a long shot.

Posted April 17, 2014 3:44 pm 


Cheezb

@PEEJ – “Calzaghe had his fair share of referee help. I remember Mitchell putting him down and then getting put down himself. Even though he was still punching the ref stepped in and stopped the fight and Calzaghe won.”

Yeah, I’m not denying that Calzaghe got some home-cooking back in the UK. But that doesn’t change that what Hopkins was able to get away with in their fight was pretty despicable and any fighter would be less than eager to step in and go through that again (especially after getting the W the first time around). It’s not about fear of losing, so much as it is fear of losing for the wrong reasons. Nobody wants to risk being cheated out of a win.

I seriously doubt Hopkins would have been too keen for a rematch if it were to take place in Wales and organized by Calzaghe’s promotional outfit (i.e. hometown ref and all that).

Posted April 17, 2014 3:32 pm 


PEEJ

I already read what he posted. Which is why I posted what I posted.

Posted April 17, 2014 3:18 pm 


Anonymous

boring.

Posted April 17, 2014 3:12 pm 


Lou

Peej read what Cheezb had said about Hopkins

Posted April 17, 2014 2:58 pm 


PEEJ

Calzaghe had his fair share of referee help. I remember Mitchell putting him down and then getting put down himself. Even though he was still punching the ref stepped in and stopped the fight and Calzaghe won. So it isn’t like Calzaghe hasn’t had help by the ref. I think Calzaghe is a great fighter and I scored that fight for Calzaghe. But hey old school fighters fight differently than new school fighters. I play basketball often and it is harder to guard old school players. They have more tricks whether they are dirty or clean.

Posted April 17, 2014 2:57 pm 


PEEJ

Lou I have always said Hopkins was dirty. But like I have said over and over and over again. If the ref doesn’t call it, then it is not a foul.

Posted April 17, 2014 2:54 pm 


Mike Tyson

Consodate the belts, or unified the belts, back then they were just 3 belts league in a weight class.
So instead of going p4p collecting 1 belt of a weight class (after called titles).
Both Hopkins And Calzaghe had unified the belts of a weight class already. both are in history as best, but Calzaghe retire undefeated.

Posted April 17, 2014 2:40 pm 


Cheezb

@PEEJ – “Calzaghe didn’t want to give Hopkins a rematch. Yeah he beat Hopkins by out working him but Hopkins actually beat Calzaghe up and that is why Calzaghe didn’t want to rematch him.”

I’d disagree with your reasoning for Calzaghe not giving a rematch. As you pointed out later in your post, if the ref doesn’t call it, it isn’t a foul… that said, it’s still cheating, it’s just getting away with it. Point being, the ref turned a blind eye to a hell of a lot of shenanigans in that fight.

From memory, I actually scored that fight for Hopkins by one point. I was disgusted at myself for having that scorecard, but he did land the cleaner shots. That said, if he didn’t milk the low-blow, clinch repeatedly and resort to such a wide array of dirty tactics, I believe he probably would have been worn down and possibly stopped (i.e. the fake low blow was his way of surviving a damn good body shot… if he’d been honest and had to take an 8 count and resume fighting immediately, he would have been at severe risk of being battered).

So the point I’m making here is that Calzaghe likely didn’t give the rematch because he knew full well he wouldn’t get a fair shake. If the ref isn’t going to call blatant fouls and basically let Hopkins dictate when it was a low blow and when it wasn’t, then why would Calzaghe want to expose himself to that? It’s quite literally corruption. Robbery in the ring.
It’s damn near the equivalent of agreeing to a fight where you know your opponent is going to load their gloves but you’re not allowed to stop them.

Posted April 17, 2014 2:06 pm 


Lou

Jim Rich + 1

Posted April 17, 2014 2:03 pm 


Lou

Peej you say – And yes Durans level of foul play is right there with Hopkins

Finally Peej you admit Hopkins foul play

Posted April 17, 2014 2:03 pm 


PEEJ

What?

Posted April 17, 2014 2:00 pm 


Mike Tyson

Did Check who did consodate the 4 belts, hard to find Well they were 3 diffrents belts back then.
Forman, Tyson, lennex , jr jones,Calzaghe, Hopkins, another guy but one was a given to him. And might be more, but that what were on the page, surprised Ali wasn’t there.

Posted April 17, 2014 1:54 pm 


PEEJ

Calzaghe didn’t want to give Hopkins a rematch. Yeah he beat Hopkins by out working him but Hopkins actually beat Calzaghe up and that is why Calzaghe didn’t want to rematch him. He should of rematched Roy when they were both in their primes but he knew he couldn’t beat him and that is why he wouldn’t agree to the 60/40 split and killed the fight by asking for 50/50. Still doesn’t mean he isn’t great. He is. Oh and by the way Duran also spit on on Leondards wife so does that also another reason why Duran can’t be great? And yes Durans level of foul play is right there with Hopkins. But like I said if the ref does not call it then it isn’t a foul

Posted April 17, 2014 1:23 pm 


PEEJ

Sorry but I don’t post under any other name but mine. You are wrong

Posted April 17, 2014 1:19 pm 


Jim Rich

I don’t know why but I’d like to see hopkins get laid out cold on the canvas. I don’t know why but I really want someone to lay the hammer to him. Anyone say cherry picking, lol. Really if people think hopkins is out to prove he can beat everyone they are wrong. Hopkins is just putting money in the bank fighting hand picked opponents he knows he has good chance to beat. AKA george foreman the biggest cherry picker of all time which is why hi career lasted so long. George would have been KO’d if he got that Lewis fight he wanted if he had beat briggs.

Posted April 17, 2014 1:18 pm 


Lou

Peej is Fry

Posted April 17, 2014 1:16 pm 


Lou

Sure Duran did some dirty stuff but not on the level of Hopkins. Hopkins would be great if he fought clean and acted like a man and also beat Calzaghe and Roy Jones then Hopkins would be great. He doesn’t do any of that None !

Posted April 17, 2014 1:15 pm 


fry up

f~k of Lou

Posted April 17, 2014 1:15 pm 


PEEJ

I have a life, a great one. I am also a boxing fan. If you can’t recognize Hopkins as a great fighter then your boxing knowledge is lacking. Duran was known as a dirty fighter yet people say he is one of the top 10 all time great fighters. But yet he was dirty and said racist remarks and also made remarks about Leondards wife. So since he made those remarks you are stating he is not a great fighter? And if the ref does not call a foul then sorry bro it isn’t a foul. You should take your complaint to the refs for letting it happen. Like I said he has to deal with what he said, he made his choices and spoke about it and now he has to live with it. All on him. Still doesn’t mean he is not a great fighter. Most Middleweight defenses. Titles and championship in 2 different weight classes. This all equals greatness.

Posted April 17, 2014 12:43 pm 


Lou

Sounds like you like people that are racist’s Peej. Why would you the. Stick up for for a person that has made remarks against Caucasians, Hispanic and etc. you say he is a great fighter is it because he has fought long. Seems like every fighter that fought Hopkins says he’s dirty I guess you like that too low blows, head butts, rabbit punches, shoulder butts, fake crying. Maybe like the others have said maybe you Ned to get a life dude !

Posted April 17, 2014 12:34 pm 


PEEJ

Never heard Hopkins say he was better than Ray Robinson but I could care less if he has or hasn’t. That is not what I was talking about. You claim you know my race and that is the reason why I am going for Hopkins which is a racist thing to say. First off you don’t know my race and I am a fan of different fighters and they are all different colors and shapes.

Posted April 17, 2014 12:17 pm 


Lou

Hopkins is a joke compared to Sugar Ray Robinson

Posted April 17, 2014 12:03 pm 


James

Wrong Peej Hopkins stated he is better than Sugar Ray Robinson who is a fighter that an earlier poster said is the only one that can beat a prime Roy Jones and Calzaghe that Hopkins lost to. A fighter 107 knockouts than Bernard had fights

Posted April 17, 2014 12:00 pm 


PEEJ

Taylor should of never gotten the nod against Hopkins.

Posted April 17, 2014 11:38 am 


PEEJ

Sure you did, you are claiming I am a brother and that is the only reason I am going for Hopkins. Which first off you have no clue which race I am even though I have posted it many times. And my facts are straight. I know what Hopkins has said and he has to deal with what happened when he said those statements. Doesn’t change the fact that he is still a great fighter.

Posted April 17, 2014 11:37 am 


James

Peej I’ve never said anything had about Afro Americans, whites, Hispanics or anything else. Hopkins on the other hand has said bad things about whites, Hispanics and those that aren’t straight. So get your facts straight Peej

Posted April 17, 2014 11:25 am 


Cheezb

I really struggle to see a Shumenov win in this one. Whenever I’ve seen him fight, he seems to end up trying to load up on shots and gives away his hand speed in doing so. Loading up like that with Hopkins will result in copping a lead right and being clinched before you can return fire.

There seems to be two ways to beat Hopkins. One is to be supremely fit and punch through the clinches and make every moment uncomfortable (a la Calzaghe who had Hopkins faking low-blows to get a rest), or fight an outside, technical fight (a la Taylor or Dawson). I’m not sure Shumenov has the physical abilities to manage the first, so if he stays disciplined he may be able to manage the second… but I think he’ll end up “doing what he does” and trying to bomb Hopkins out and being frustrated for 12 rounds.

Posted April 17, 2014 11:19 am 


PEEJ

Unfortunately James it is people like you that will keep racism alive in America. His color has nothing to do with it. It takes 2 to hold. If Hopkins is trying to hold then let your hands go and work on the inside. If the ref sees this he will warn Hopkins. If it keeps happening he will have points deducted and if it keeps happening he will be disqualified. I don’t think Hopkins is exciting to watch but the things he is doing in the ring is amazing. And if you can’t recognize that then you really have know knowledge of the game of boxing.

Posted April 17, 2014 10:49 am 


James

Peej is a brother just like Swedish this is why they stick up for Hopkins

Posted April 17, 2014 10:34 am 


Boxing plus

Peej and Swed don’t get it! They both love Hoppy. Peej, Hopkins is beating these fighters cause they weren’t good to begin with. Shum or Tarvis Cloud. Hopkins beats these fighters by clinching and holding and stalling to the point they can’t fight back this why everyone say Hopkins is boring. Simple as that .

Posted April 17, 2014 10:31 am 


PEEJ

Exactly. Hopkins is a great fighter. People can gripe and moan all they want but the fact is he is the oldest titlest and none of these young guys can beat him. Dawson only won by out working him. What does that tell you about these younger fighters skills. They either need to be more dedicated or we need better trainers. Probably both.

Posted April 17, 2014 10:26 am 


lol

Ive come to the conclusion that this man will mever get his props.. he can be 75 years old still schooling this young guys and people will still bash him for this and that… i hate the guys attitude, but we are witnessing a phenom, i mean the man is 50 years old and still fighting top tier fighters.. give the man his props, he is a legend

Posted April 17, 2014 10:19 am 


Gus

Shumenovs toughest opponent will be the referee. If the Ref is not intimidated by Hopkins and his antics and allows Shumenov to get rough with Hopkins and not get on his case he can beat the old trickster.

Posted April 17, 2014 10:14 am 


Hank

LOL @ DMX! So true.
But it all depends on whether or not B-Hop is allowed to play grab-a$$ all night.

I still have no idea how guys like Hopkins and Ruiz were not penalized more for all the holding and molesting they do.

Posted April 17, 2014 9:48 am 


DMX

What the hell would Marvin Hagler have done to this old wrinkled toothless wrestling cheat Hopkins?

Posted April 17, 2014 9:45 am 


James

Swedish boxing fan copy and pastes the same old garbage. Stop spewing the propaganda Swede. Hopkins is way overated that is a club fighter with dirty street fighting tactics

Posted April 17, 2014 9:33 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

I agree with the legend and 4-time boxing world champion Bernard “The Executioner” Hopkins.

Bernard Hopkins is just not a fighter with many weaknes as a boxer accept his natural aging but still Hopkins is on top in the game even at 49 and still champ.
He is a great student of the old-school boxing skills and can fight the majority of styles. No one have ever masterd him in the ring. 6 losses in his career BUT only 2 of them are real losses and those are 1993-Roy Jones Jr = UD loss and 2012 = MD loss.

They won these contests, yes but non of them masterd him or put a hurting note on Hopkins. Hopkins losses to Jermain Taylor I & II and Joe Calzaghe are disputed losses and are still up tp debate.

Fighters should ALWAYS aim to unify the world title belts and those titles are as always the 4 major belts WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO and the Ring-Lineal world titles.
Since the 80′s, fighters had to go for unifying the championship belts. Mike Tyson in heavyweight, Michael Spinks in light heavyweight, Evander Holyfield in cruiserweight, Roy Jones Jr in Light heavyweight, Bernard Hopkins in middleweight, Lennox Lewis in heavyweight, Joe Calzaghe in super middleweight, O’Neil Bell in cruiserweight and Wladimir Klitschko in heavyweight are all fighters who not only fought top opponents to defend one belt but they all was hungry to take all major world title belts to become the ONLY champ in there respective weight class.

You can debate on the quality of the opponents but if the champ has all titles, he will almost only fight the mandatory Nr1# and 2# opponents and no cheap cherry picking is possible if the champ wants to be the one and only recognised undisputed world champion.
If a fighter can’t clean out the division of champion “pretenders” you will never-ever become the undisputed world champion in any weight division.

Bernard Hopkins unified all world title belts in the middleweight division and defended his world middleweight crown impossible 20-times. Still he is the only fighter to date to have conquered all 4 major world titles and the Ring title and have them all at same time + defend all titles in a fight in any weight class.

I’m glad that old time legend and IBF world light heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins is fighting WBA/IBA world champion Beibut Shumenov in a world title unification. So something there in the division is happening in the quest for unifying the world title belts.

Some people call it the “3rd vs. the 4th best” in the league of light heavyweight boxers BUT in any way, its a right direction to be made in the division.

The winner will be the unified IBF/WBA/IBA world light heavyweight champion and then only Adonis Stevenson’s Lineal/WBC crown and Sergey Kovalev’s WBO world title is left to conquer in order for a fighter to become the final unified and undisputed light heavyweight champion of the world.
Something that haven’t been in the division since 2003.

The WBO world light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev is not as skilled as Lineal/WBC world champion Adonis Stevenson BUT Kovalev haves more pure power and I believe he has more courage in the ring as well as I feel he can go threw the tougher time then Stevenson.

Still Adonis Stevenson is a better athlete and his skills and better speed I believe is what makes him the better bet in a fight with Stevenson vs. Kovalev and I will go for betting on Stevenson.

Just sad that Stevenson doesn’t seem to want to tight Kovalev in a near future so that is a loss for the boxing world when that would be one of the best fights to be made.

Posted April 17, 2014 8:43 am 


Gus

Expect Bernard to bring his bag of dirty tricks in the ring. As Roy Jones said one of the dirtiest fighters ever to enter the ring is Bernard Hopkins

Posted April 17, 2014 8:15 am 


powerhands

If a fight knows what another fighter is used to doing rather it’s legal or illegal they should be able to knock them out instead of crying. Go Bernard, Mayweather, and broner.

Posted April 17, 2014 7:47 am 


RAYGORDON REID

bernard

Posted April 17, 2014 7:03 am 


Bo Bo Olson

Good start on a forgotten stat, reach, height…..to make a good bet…the news papers use to have neck, chest normal, expanded, bicep, forearm, wrist, fist. Waist thigh and calf.
Thigh and calf…out side of a Hearns was more important than chest.
An inch in combined reach/height is very much in elite fighters.
But with so many small men fighting bigger ones….in order to hype a fight it is not mentioned. Berra(sp) vs some champ from NM…two Ring writers took the different fighter to hype…..no where was it mentioned the Berra was six inches taller!!!!
The fight went as that dictates the giant great fighter beat the crap out of the midget.
Idiots lost beer bets or real $….in no one mentioned that….
Measure of the tape has nothing to do with how many belts in how many weight divisions…but how big and how built a fighter is.

Posted April 17, 2014 5:45 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Hopkins strength: Willingness of referee to allow Bernard to implement MMA skill set in a boxing match. Willingness of judges to overlook Bernard’s implementation of illegal MMA skill set. Willingness of Bernard to do anything to not be defeated (see first Dawson bout where Bernard flopped on the canvas as if he were a cripple). Willingness of fans to continue to accept Bernard as a boxer despite his “unique” skill set.

Posted April 17, 2014 4:16 am 



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