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TARK

Jum.., Knowing somebody who is close to Carter doesn’t give you the book on him you ignorant racist bastard.

You seriously need to pull your head out of your butthole.

Posted April 30, 2014 5:20 pm 


Jum

TARK: You seriously need to get a life, boss. I knew people who were close to Carter, so your theories and BS are just that, theories and BS.

Posted April 29, 2014 8:22 pm 


Rich

Te Turdo as usual your posts have the nasal twang of over blown self importance…..nice of you to give us your soap box oratory….not

Posted April 23, 2014 12:36 pm 


Anonymous

there are more nutters in america than anywhere else on the planet.

Posted April 23, 2014 11:02 am 


Anonymous

There is no doubt that posters like WT52 will be entering the penal system in no time at all, with the mindset they possess, they deserve to do hard time at Uncle Sam’s bequest.
WT52, I bet if we took a peak in your trailer park home we would find material and substances in it that would put you away for decades, you vile piece of filth.

Posted April 23, 2014 4:43 am 


Joe

R.I.P . I read his book, what a story

Posted April 23, 2014 2:30 am 


D

WT52, you’re lower than scum. You wouldn’t make a pimple on Rubin Carter’s ass.

Posted April 22, 2014 11:51 pm 


WT52

Of course he did it. He was mediocre as a fighter too but he still got in the HOF somehow. The movie was BS. This guy was scum.

Posted April 22, 2014 11:42 pm 


Jonn E. JaGozza

I don’t understand how anyone can attack the integrity of a person who has died … I know he helped many and for that and only that, it demonstrates humility and respect for his fellow man but I could never degrade him now, after his death … that’s not just cruel, it’s damned heartless… Regardless of anything else, no one really knows what really happened but I do know what he did in his last 20 plus years of life and he was more than a decent man he was generous and always tried to aid the underdog .. you want to attack me for writing this, then , go ahead … Boxingdictionary.com “The Language of the Ring”

Posted April 22, 2014 6:18 pm 


TARK

te tumbo…, If somebody is looking to shoot somebody for the thrill of it.. They’ll find an excuse.. They’ve got their self defense story all worked out already.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:39 pm 


TARK

Prisons are a huge business. We have a criminal justice system that believes, “When in doubt, lock any kids from a poor neighborhood up; especially if they can’t afford to put up an adequate defense. We have them badly overmatched legally, so we’ll win easily every time. Once they’re locked up they must be bad, so keep them locked up. It only costs an average of 50,000 dollars a year to incarcerate an individual anyway, and we get most of that.”

Meanwhile, Wall Street investment bankers crash the economy repeatedly with their machinations and schemes to get hold of mega-millions any way possible. They rarely get sent to the slammer until they steal about as much as Bernie Madoff, which was 50 Billion. That’s 50,000 million for some of you dopes.

That’s enough loot to make every single male person of any age in Flint or South Bend a millionaire. A lot of investment bankers and accounting firms had to cover up for Madoff for decades for him to keep his frauds rolling, and none of those folks are going to jail.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:31 pm 


te tumbo

Btw TARK, Trayvon was shot for Socking an armed and paranoid coward. i learned that anybody jumping in my face had to be carrying something to make him that brave. at which point, one can either express their moral outrage by lashing-out or take charge of the situation by wisely exercising impulse control. unfortunately, Trayvon didn’t walk the streets long enough to learn this life lesson.

Posted April 22, 2014 5:05 pm 


te tumbo

bottomline, police officers and district attorneys have done the most damage to the integrity of this country’s justice system. everybody should Know –not “believe” or “opine” or “assume” simply Know– that not every person in prison is a saint or actually guilty. that is an irrefutable Fact. anyone who believes otherwise is either incredibly naïve and clueless or simply cruel and cynical. neither are factors resulting in justice but that may be the problem. vengeance and punishment are too often mistaken for justice in this country. while the U.S. represents about 5% of the world’s population, it houses around 25% of the world’s prisoners. is this “justice”? or a profitable bu$ine$$ as usual?

Posted April 22, 2014 4:56 pm 


lol

americans will believe anything.

Posted April 22, 2014 4:11 pm 


TARK

Jum.., You’re a nut.. I know the world is full of lies.. You don’t.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:19 pm 


TARK

And Big Ham, Trayvon Martin was shot to death because he was a black teenager walking home from a market carrying a couple snacks.

That’s not suspicious behavior, but for somebody who thinks all black kids are bad apples, and have no right to walk around freely on the streets, they might think that situation gives them a right to confront the teenager with a gun. Zimmerman called the police and they told him not to follow the kid. But he follows him anyway and got out to confront him.

“What are you doing walking around on the street in broad daylight carrying snack food?” Kapow!!

Plus, Zimmerman has been arrested for gun violations a couple times since the trial. He waves guns around pretty freely. Obviously criminal trials do not always lead to just verdicts. Men are fallible, but nobody escapes eternal judgment.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:18 pm 


Jum

TARK doesnt realize the world is full of lies. He believes the BS fed to him. Hey ya dope, you dont live in the real world do you? Connect the dots and realize the only Jacquee is you!

Posted April 22, 2014 3:12 pm 


john

anonymous bang on son.

Posted April 22, 2014 3:06 pm 


TARK

Big Ham you’re a jackass.., You are never justified in making those kind of judgments. God is our judge. Men are not free to put an innocent person to death for something — just because they think he deserves it for allegedly committing many other crimes.

Jesus Christ was accused of many crimes: insurrection… blasphemy… sedition… Most people in the community believed the charges—because they were coming from the highest authorities. The people who plotted Christ’s demise felt they were completely justified. They had so much company in their plans to rid themselves of somebody they considered a threat to their authority and prestige. Their soldiers and underlings fell into line like pawns.

Judas saw which way the current was running and decided to switch boats. He wanted to be on the winning side with all the rulers, high priests, and the majority of the community.

Hurricane Carter was the victim of dastardly men. They had a chance to put him away through lies and deceit and they did. Just because you can plot wrong doing with other people in high standing, people who seem to be above suspicion, and who have many allies, doesn’t mean you should fall in line just to look after your own job and future. And if you read or hear stories that may or may not have any basis in fact, don’t believe them.

Posted April 22, 2014 2:56 pm 


Anonymous

the one and only backwood company that could sell people a complete load of lies are called hollywood.

Posted April 22, 2014 2:46 pm 


Rich

There’s another one just like Rubin…Take a look at Dewey Bozella….This one will make you wanna start punching walls in frustration…….

Posted April 22, 2014 1:05 pm 


laj

Hi Mbuyiseli, the acts you are describing are right wing, but not christian acts. Christ teaches the opposite of this. Those types of actions are actually more old testament based before Christ. Being a Christian i am often offended by those professing to act in the name of Christ, when they probably never read a word about them, just listened to some right wing preacher or the 700 club distort what he actually taught. There are bad apples in every religion. Right wingers give Christians a bad name.

Posted April 22, 2014 11:56 am 


Mbuyiseli

The weirdest thing about these right wingers is that their forefathers claimed they hated blacks so much that they raped them, enslaved them and killed them in the name of Christ. Crazy bunch if you ask me. For centuries racism has be “justifiable” by these Christian nut jobs. If you’re a Christian and got offended I don’t give a fig, live with it. The very same people who are vilifying Carter their parents killed and raped blacks in the States but boy they were good ol’ parents. Bigotry at its best if you ask me.

Posted April 22, 2014 9:48 am 


DMX

My favourite boxing Maniac will always be Edwin Valero
He was a absolute nut job

In fact my ideal night out would have been 24 hours in Bangkok with

Edwin Valero,
Carlos Monzon,
Mike Tyson
Ike Ikebuchi
And Johnny Tapia

Brilliant

Posted April 22, 2014 8:58 am 


Rich

He was also on a charge he couldn’t get off…the DWB…..(driving while black) charge…..

Posted April 22, 2014 7:41 am 


Anonymous

Corruption messed over Carter racism and injustice still goes on to this day. R.I.H. Ruben God has the final say so

Posted April 22, 2014 1:13 am 


Big Ham

Tark, if i strong arm a guy, rape a woman, pull a few robberies, generally live at least a part time life as a criminal. Do you think after awhile i would give off a “vibe” that perhaps i am that kinda guy. And if i did 10 bad crimes and got away with them. But was framed for one crime i did not commit, would that make me Martyr ? This is typical political correct black role model crap here with Hurricane Carter. There are plenty of better african american fighters worthy of praise of their character and the life they lead. Hurricane Carter was not one. He is not an inspiration. No more than Trayvon Martin is.

Posted April 22, 2014 12:46 am 


TARK

We’re not talking model citizens… Where talking about an innocent man who was framed because people disliked him, based on whatever, and wanted to send him up for good with manufactured evidence.

He wasn’t depicted as a saint in the movie. Just a hero to a lot of people because he fought so hard and never gave up … and so many people never gave up on Carter.

Posted April 22, 2014 12:30 am 


TARK

Few are model citizens you dope… Are you?

Why are you casting stones if you’re so unknowledgeable?

Posted April 22, 2014 12:25 am 


Jum

Not talkin about the case you dope. Carter said himself he was not a model citizen. Put it in the movie!

Posted April 22, 2014 12:20 am 


Jum

Dont know too much about the trial, but was told years ago that Carter pulled a gun on a prominant fighter at an upstate NY camp in the early 60′s. It was that prominant fighter, now deceased told me. Also Carter shot a cow that was in the road impeding his roadwork. During his youth, this guy was a loose canon. Understand his life and death, dont understand his hero status. Oh by the way, these incidents were not in the movie and should have been to replace the BS “Hurricane” told.

Posted April 21, 2014 11:59 pm 


TARK

Varnish and badger act like they know more than the infuriated, conservative federal judge who set Carter free…

The judge studied the case and the evidence meticulously before he freed Carter—something nobody in the highly politicized state system would ever risk doing—for fear of being recalled, or losing their job in some other way. That’s why our criminal justice system is so screwed up and so many innocent people spend decades behind bars.

People are convicted on opinion in our system — and only freed on irrefutable evidence such as DNA.

Carter was framed… witnesses lied and recanted… police and prosecutors buried and withheld exculpatory evidence… A highly respected federal judge doesn’t release a convicted murderer on a writ of Habeas Corpus immediately, and without a new trial, unless there has been egregious, outrageous, and continuing misconduct by the police and prosecutors … The judge was incensed by the horrible conduct that framed Carter and released him immediately … That isn’t done often…

In the face of irrefutable evidence, the prosecutors chose NOT to retry the case a 3rd time… They didn’t have a prayer … and the evidence would have destroyed them.

Posted April 21, 2014 11:02 pm 


Anonymous

just read the facts. simple.

Posted April 21, 2014 8:20 pm 


Jonn E. JaGozza

I have the utmost respect for the Hurricane, he was an inspiration to me and many other who read his book and really got to know him , A Great man based in humility and the yearning always to help the underdog. Although he was never a champion in the ring, he was one of the all time GREATS in the arena of life. You’ll be missed… R.I.P. Boxingdictionary.com …The Language of the Ring

Posted April 21, 2014 8:10 pm 


varnish

Just checked back on this thread – nice to see that others beside me have done their homework and see that Carter was indeed a murderer despite the Hollywood myth-creation. I never wish that murderers “rest in peace” because their victims (innocent people killed horrifically in a diner at night) will not. Just a comment about the level of argumentation among the “he was innocent”, “why malign the recently dead” crowd, etc. Other than spewing filth, making nasty accusations against those with whom they disagree, wishing the argument over, they never produce any facts or coherent logic to support their positions. This style is getting all too familiar in our culture.

Posted April 21, 2014 7:27 pm 


BritFansAreDelusional

Just do a google search on the following term “truth about ruben carter”.

Posted April 21, 2014 7:01 pm 


BritFansAreDelusional

http://members.shaw.ca/cartermyths/

Posted April 21, 2014 7:00 pm 


BritFansAreDelusional

Actually, it hasn’t been proven that he didn’t do it. The only reason he was released was due to a technicality.

Posted April 21, 2014 6:42 pm 


Ray Ray

There’s not even a question of guilt or not….it’s already been proven he didn’t do it….After being released helped 18 or 19 people who were wrongly accused, charged & sentenced 2 jail…don’t think there actions of a killer. Using his own cash and status 2 help others, killers are selfish Rubins actions were selfless…

Posted April 21, 2014 5:33 pm 


EZ E

TARK Well said!! Personally, I can relate. In my case it would be like “the pot calling the kettle black” if I decided to come down on Carter for his past transgressions.

Posted April 21, 2014 4:53 pm 


Anonymous

wonder what bob and denzil think now.

Posted April 21, 2014 4:09 pm 


Anonymous

Well said, TARK!

Posted April 21, 2014 3:38 pm 


TARK

A lot of people uprooted or disrupted their lives to help Rubin Hurricane Carter. He inspired a lot of people and they inspired him with their love, devotion, and the many years of toil they endured in his behalf.

He must have had a lot of redeeming qualities for people to put their lives on the line like that. His supporters moved Carter very deeply and he was a changed man when he left prison.

Two wrongs never make a right.

That’s why you don’t throw the book at somebody because he’s had problems with the law before. You still don’t frame him or hide and withhold exculpatory evidence, because then you convict an innocent person and a guilty person goes free.

Posted April 21, 2014 3:20 pm 


kingdon

i think he was guilty

Posted April 21, 2014 3:14 pm 


Anonymous

when it comes to history v hollywood most muppets will go with the big screen.

Posted April 21, 2014 3:00 pm 


JJ1

RIP

Posted April 21, 2014 1:56 pm 


Anonymous

Fksake! I hate predictive text. It’s completely shiiiiite!

Should say: do me the courtesy of reading my posts and should also say: and get an education.

Posted April 21, 2014 10:32 am 


Anonymous

bobcat

Anonymous stay like that if you choose, respect the memories and family please and stop being low level human being, your source is wikipedia, please. I am not so sure what your issue is but I can assure you you have a lot in your closet, thats why bringing someone down makes your day.

Posted April 20, 2014 6:10 pm

Bobcat, you ignoramus!! I don’t believe you are literate or even of a low-level IQ.
If you bothered to read my 3 links from Wikipedia they SUPPORT and CONFIRM the fact that not only was HURRICANE CARTER innocent, it appears that this Bello CNut was not only guilty, but framed him.

Go on and read the wiki blogs again and you’ll see that your bleating makes you as guilty as the Cnuts who arrested, tried and fitted Hurricane up.

I SUPPLIED you with enough MATERIAL with which to read and then make up your own conclusions, which is exactly what was NOT supplied or presented by the police or prosecutors over the years.

Learn to be literate, use the tools the government provided for you and get and education and stop rotting your brain with alcohol and meth amphets.

Seriously, if you’re gonna attack me, at least give me the courtesy of adding my posts. IDIOT.

RIP Mr. Rubin Hurricane Carter.

(No wonder we have miscarriages of justice, when imbeciles like Bobcat can’t even look at the evidence dangled right under their noses)!

Posted April 21, 2014 10:29 am 


teepee

Oh let the man have peace some ppl always trying to talk negative he’ll them was innocent and they locked him up cuz they didn’t do they job (police) and they took the chance for him to fight for the title so let the man rip haters

Posted April 21, 2014 10:15 am 


Jake Lead Rights

He was no daisy. Rubin Carter was put on this earth just like everyone else no one other than Rubin will ever know the demons he had to fight on a daily basis. I didn’t know him, I haven’t studied his psychological case, nor his rap sheet. What I did learn was he was a powerful fighter. The mans dead now and the demons that disrupted his life are gone and mybe he can now Rest In Peace.

Posted April 21, 2014 10:11 am 


Anonymous

The True Story of Rubin “Hurricane” Carter
Rubin “Hurricane” Carter’s fist smashed into the little woman’s face and Carolyn Kelly went flying across the hotel room like a rag doll. Then the prizefighter began to kick the small woman. After this savage attack Carolyn’s son found her curled on the floor in a fetal position. She had a swollen cheek and black eyes. She would need traction for her injured back. Carter denied everything.

In 1975 Ms Kelly, a devout Muslim, had been asked by Muhammad Ali to help in an effort to win a new trial for Rubin Carter, who insisted that he had been framed for a triple murder. She had devoted a year of her life to raising funds for a legal appeal of Carter’s conviction. That effort had succeeded, and in March 1976 Carter was let loose pending a new trial. Six weeks later, in Maryland, Carolyn Kelly had attempted to telephone Carter to resolve a minor financial arrangement. She was surprised when Carter hung up on her. She thought he hadn’t understood who she was, so she went to his hotel to see him in person. This is how she described their meeting:

“So I immediately got dressed, got in my car, drove…to the Sheraton, knocked on his door, and he asked who was it. I told him. He opened the door; I went in. He just started laughing, just laughing, laughing. So naturally I relaxed. I thought it was some kind of joke or something… Then he went into the bathroom. He left the [bathroom] door open, and I walked to the edge of the [bathroom] door, and as I was asking him what the hell is the matter with you, what’s wrong. At that point he was gargling with a bottle of Charlie cologne. He spit the cologne out, he came out of the bathroom and I was standing by the edge of the bed and he just burst out laughing again. The next thing I knew he had hit me in my face and spun me around. I felt myself turning and spinning and felt myself going down and fighting to hold onto consciousness… I went between the wall and [the bed]. And then he raised his foot to kick me, still laughing all the time… and he started kicking me in my back. Things were vague… he wasn’t laughing…he was in a stooped position with his hands around my throat telling me he was going to kill me.”

She had become the latest of hundreds of victims of Rubin Carter, whose life of anti-social behavior began in early childhood. For almost thirty years Rubin Carter had exhibited an extremely hostile and violent personality.

In the seventh grade he attended Public School #6 in Paterson, but was sent several times to the Adjustment School for students with behavioral problems. School records describe Carter as “very wild” with a “bullying attitude” and state that he “terrorized boys and girls in class.” These earliest records reveal his proclivity for violence, threats and retaliation which characterize his unchanging personality. Carter was first referred to the Juvenile Division of the Paterson Police Department in 1946, at age 9, when he was only four years out of kindergarten! Three years after that he was arrested for larceny.

Though Carter’s parents were hard-working people who provided well for their son, Carter enjoyed stealing. In May of 1951 he was convicted of looting money from parking meters. He was given probation. The following month, at age 14, he smashed a bottle over a man’s head and relieved him of his wristwatch and fifty-five dollars. He was sent to the State Home for Boys in July 1951 and paroled in December 1952. He was returned to the Home after a parole revocation in September 1953. He escaped from the State Home July 1st, 1954.

The following month Rubin Carter enlisted in the Army. The Army booted him out after he was convicted by court-martial four times in 21 months. Years later, in 1973, while serving a sentence for triple murder, Rubin Carter authored a book titled The Sixteenth Round. In it he reflected on his Army experience:

“…This Army life was not making me any nastier than what I was, but it wasn’t making it any easier for me either. It just made me care a little less than usual, which wasn’t a helluva lot in the first place.”

Two months after his separation from the Army, Carter was arrested in Paterson on the escape charge after he fled the State Home for Boys. He was returned to Jamesburg and then transferred to Annandale on March 29, 1957. He described his state of mind on that day: “On that Tuesday morning when Annandale set me free, they might not have known it (or maybe they did) but they had just unleashed a walking, ticking, short-fused time bomb set to explode on contact with an unsuspecting public.”

Three months after his release, Rubin Carter attacked three strangers at two different crime scenes. This is how tough-guy Rubin Carter described his crimes: “We snatched a pocketbook off a woman June 30th, on a street in Paterson. Then we seen a man and got him too, a young fellow about 30, got his money, he was knocked down. We was running away from the last fell [victim] and another fell [victim] was standing in the middle of the sidewalk and I hit him and he fell up against a tree and we kept running… It was unnecessary. I had nine dollars or ten dollars in my pocket and the next day was pay day. It just come on the impulse.” [Emphasis added]

By his own admission, Rubin Carter was not driven to criminal behavior by any pressing need for money. He had money in his pocket. Tomorrow was pay day. He attacked three strangers because “It just come on the impulse.” In other words, he was a violent creature with no impulse control. On September 20, 1957, Carter was convicted on all three charges and sentenced to a term totaling 2 to 6 years in State Prison. He served his maximum sentence because of his continual tumultuous behavior in prison. As prison records go, Rubin Carter’s was exceptional for its consistent belligerence and hostility. While in prison he repeatedly picked fights, stole from other inmates and incited a riot.

After the attack in which Carter robbed a woman and seriously injured two men, Carter was evaluated by a psychologist in September 1958. The psychologist described Carter as “an emotionally unstable and aggressive individual”. He concluded that Carter “manifests a total lack of insight.” He reported that Carter had a strong paranoid orientation and was prone to projecting his own failures onto society. The psychologist saw Rubin Carter as “a potential threat to the community.” This same psychologist understood that Carter’s boxing activity created a socially acceptable means for releasing his almost super-human hostility.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:31 am 


EZ E

TARK I have a really good copy of the fight. Seen it a few times, think Joey won by a hair but maybe could’ve gone the other way. A lot of rounds were difficult to score. There were a few rounds that Rubin could’ve clearly won by throwing more punches as followed/stalked Joey, instead of just pressing the action. A bit more volume would’ve made the difference, in my opinion. Yeah, Ruben looked unmarked but some fighters bruise easier than others, especially as they age. Rubin was a fresh, young 27 yr old with only 24 fights and a pro for only four years. On the other hand it was the then 36 year old Giardello’s 129th fight in 17 pro years. The Ring Magazine covered the fight in the March, 1964 issue. They had The Hurricane winning, 68-64. Another factor was that it was held in Philly, Giardello’s adopted hometown. Very close. The light hitting Joey was in the twilight of his career, having scored only ONE kayo in his last 7 years of his career. Ruben had awesome power and scored some scary KO’s early in his career, especially his 69 second blitz over feared Florentino “The Ox” Fernandez, the nationally televised fight that put him in the Middleweight picture. He later stopped Emile Griffith in the very first round as well. Too bad Rubin would be better remembered more for the injustice that he suffered than his pro career accomplishments. Oh well… peace to all.

Posted April 21, 2014 8:52 am 


Jimmy

Whatever the rights and wrongs of his conviction, the movie they made about him was garbage. Rubin Carter legitimately got his ass whupped by Joey Giardello by most accounts at the time. No robbery in the title fight. R.I.P all the same.

Posted April 21, 2014 8:03 am 


RAYGORDON REID

rip

Posted April 21, 2014 7:08 am 


TARK

From newspaper reports, Carter looked unmarked after his fight with Giardello, and Giardello looked beaten up.. Carter told newspaper reporters immediately following the fight, “I thought I won the title, at least 9 rounds to 6. I feel like I could go another 15 rounds and I don’t think Giardello could.” The reporters agreed that Carter looked unmarked and like he could go another 15, and that Giardello looked beaten up.

I didn’t watch the fight myself so I have no opinion on the verdict, but Carter would have had to change his opinion if he agreed that Giardello won. I think what happens often is boxers get older and say, “yes he beat me” because they want to let go of the past… You hang on to all those injustices in your past history, and everyone has them, and it doesn’t help you.

Several times Carter asked people to stop working so hard in his behalf because he thought it kept raising false expectation for everyone concerned… and those high hopes were dashed again and again… so he asked them to please give up — but they wouldn’t — and their determination to never give up really inspired Carter.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:17 am 


TARK

Cooper…, You’re part of the problem. Carter was released on a writ of Habeas Corpus from the federal judge who last reviewed the case while Carter was incarcerated.

That means a federal judge was so infuriated by police practices in the case, and the deceitful actions and lies of the prosecution and witnesses, that he felt Carter should be released immediately without having to stand trial again. He was a very conservative judge who usually ruled with the police and prosecution, but was so incensed with the conduct regarding Carter’s case that he didn’t want to waste anymore taxpayer money or time on a case where the evidence of wrong doing by the police and prosecution was so clear and convincing.

Posted April 21, 2014 1:59 am 


Knowledge

@ EZ E – well said, sir! Lucky you to have had the privilege of watching this fighter compete. I am just glad for him to have spent his last 29 years as a free man, even if he was, once again, engaged in a fight for his life against cancer at the end. R.I.P. Mr. Carter.

Posted April 20, 2014 11:44 pm 


EZ E

If some would care to study the documents and history of the murder case, they might be a bit more enlightened. Among other things, the key “witness” later admitted that he lied. There was never any true physical proof/evidence that even indicated that Carter and the co-defendant were at the scene of the crime. Anyway, had the pleasure of seeing him fight at MSG and the St. Nicks Arena over a half dozen times, his encounters vs Florentino Fernandez, Jose Gonzalez and Joey Archer are the ones that I remember most.

Posted April 20, 2014 11:24 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Amen!!!

Posted April 20, 2014 9:41 pm 


The Pinoy Pikey

Cooper, do you honestly liken’ RC to the folks that you named? Kinda bombastic don’t you think? Perhaps, Ruben Carter was vindicated due to the awareness that he was incarcerated primarily due to racist practices instead of evidence: let that be a lesson to the us as Americans and what we stand for!

Posted April 20, 2014 9:26 pm 


Cooper

Just because someone dies, doesn’t mean they should get a pass for any wrongs they’ve done. (We dont give people like Hitler, Bin Laden, or Saddam Hussein a pass just because they’re dead!)Based on the research I’ve done, I believe personally that Carter was guilty of the murders. Trust me, just because a DA’s office doesn’t prosecute, in no way, does that mean they’re innocent. Especially after 20 years have already passed

Posted April 20, 2014 9:14 pm 


The Pinoy Pikey

Anonymous, the tradition/sport we love has a great deal to do with timing: do you agree? Let’s show this fallen warrior is his due respect: the justice system did!

Posted April 20, 2014 9:14 pm 


Anonymous

I take no pleasure in speaking ill of the dead. My bone of contention is with those who’re trying to make a martyr out of man who I and many others believe was guilty of committing horrendous crimes.

RIP guilty or not.

Posted April 20, 2014 8:20 pm 


Anonymous

Just to clarify, I’m the first Anonymous. The other comments were written by somebody else.

Posted April 20, 2014 8:15 pm 


Anonymous

What about respecting the memories of the families of the victims that those of us who believe he was guilty of slaughtering in cold blood? Should we just ignore their feelings? How would you feel if others were trying to make a martyr out of someone who murdered your loved ones and tried to exonerate them of their crime? I’m sure you wouldn’t be quite so forgiving.

I’m all for showing due respect for those who’ve recently passed, but if you want to lecture others about common decency in these type of situations, you should at least take the time to read up on the case instead of forming your opinions from watching a piece of Hollywood fiction that was riddled with lies and glaring untruths.

Posted April 20, 2014 8:13 pm 


Truth

Murderers burn in hell.

Posted April 20, 2014 8:10 pm 


bobcat

Anonymous stay like that if you choose, respect the memories and family please and stop being low level human being, your source is wikipedia, please. I am not so sure what your issue is but I can assure you you have a lot in your closet, thats why bringing someone down makes your day.

Posted April 20, 2014 6:10 pm 


Anonymous

You couldn’t make this up:

In 1996 Carter, then 59, was arrested when Toronto police mistakenly identified him as a suspect in his thirties believed to have sold drugs to an undercover officer. He was released after the police realized their error.[32]

Source: Wikipedia

RIP HURRICANE

Posted April 20, 2014 5:59 pm 


Anonymous

More from wikipedia

Homicides[edit]
On June 17, 1966, at approximately 2:30 a.m., two males entered the Lafayette Bar and Grill at East 18th Street at Lafayette Street in Paterson, New Jersey and started shooting.[9] The bartender, James Oliver, and a male customer, Fred Nauyoks, were killed instantly. A severely wounded female customer, Hazel Tanis, died almost a month later, having been shot in the throat, stomach, intestine, spleen and left lung, and having her arm shattered by shotgun pellets. A third customer, Willie Marins, survived the attack, despite a gunshot wound to the head that cost him the sight in one eye. During questioning, both Marins and Tanis told police that the shooters had been black males, though neither identified Carter or John Artis.

Petty criminal Alfred Bello, who had been near the Lafayette that night to burglarize a factory, was an eyewitness. Bello later testified that he was approaching the Lafayette when two black males—one carrying a shotgun, the other a pistol—came around the corner walking towards him.[10] He ran from them, and they got into a white car that was double-parked near the Lafayette.[9]

Bello was one of the first people on the scene of the shootings, as was Patricia Graham (later Patricia Valentine), a resident on the second floor (above the Lafayette Bar and Grill). Graham told the police that she saw two black males get into a white car and drive westbound.[citation needed] Another neighbor, Ronald Ruggiero, also heard the shots, and said that, from his window, he saw Alfred Bello running west on Lafayette Street toward 16th Street. He then heard the screech of tires and saw a white car shoot past, heading west, with two black males in the front seat.[citation needed] Both Bello and Valentine gave police a description of the car, which changed at the second court case: Valentine claimed that the lights lit up like butterflies, which Carter’s car did not have; only the two end lights lit up.[11]

Investigation, indictment and first conviction[edit]
Carter was driving a white Dodge, matching the description of the car as white,[2] and police stopped it and brought Carter and another occupant, John Artis, to the scene about 31 minutes after the incident. There was little physical evidence; police took no fingerprints at the crime scene, and lacked the facilities to test Carter and Artis for gunshot residue. None of the eyewitnesses identified Carter or Artis as the shooters. Carter, in fact, was brought to the hospital the evening of the shooting at approximately 4 a.m., and victim Willie Marins identified Carter as not one of the shooters.[11] On searching the car about 45 minutes later, Detective Emil DiRobbio found a live .32 caliber pistol round under the front passenger seat and a 12-gauge shotgun shell in the trunk. Ballistics later established that the murder weapons had been a .32 caliber pistol and a 12-gauge shotgun.[10] The defense later raised questions about this evidence, as it was not logged with a property clerk until five days after the murders.[12]

Police took Carter and Artis to police headquarters and questioned them. Witnesses did not identify them as the killers, and they were released.[2]

Several months later, Bello disclosed to the police that he had an accomplice during the attempted burglary, one Arthur Dexter Bradley. On further questioning, Bello and Bradley both identified Carter as one of the two males they had seen carrying weapons outside the bar the night of the murders. Bello also identified Artis as the other. Based on this additional evidence, Carter and Artis were arrested and indicted.[13]

At the 1967 trial, Carter was represented by well-known attorney Raymond A. Brown.[14] Brown focused on inconsistencies in some of the descriptions given by eyewitnesses Marins and Bello.[15] The defense also produced a number of alibi witnesses who testified that Carter and Artis had been in the Nite Spot (another nearby bar) at about the time of the shootings.[10] Both men were convicted. Prosecutors sought the death penalty, but jurors recommended that each defendant receive a life sentence for each murder. Judge Samuel Larner imposed two consecutive and one concurrent life sentence on Carter, and three concurrent life sentences on Artis.

In 1974, Bello and Bradley recanted their identifications of Carter and Artis, and these recantations were used as the basis for a motion for a new trial. Judge Samuel Larner denied the motion on December 11, saying that the recantations “lacked the ring of truth.”[16]

Despite Larner’s ruling, Madison Avenue advertising guru George Lois organized a campaign on Carter’s behalf, which led to increasing public support for a retrial or pardon. Muhammad Ali lent his support to the campaign, and Bob Dylan co-wrote (with Jacques Levy) and performed a song called “Hurricane” (1975), which declared that Carter was innocent. In 1975 Dylan performed the song at a concert at Trenton State Prison, where Carter was temporarily an inmate.

However, during the hearing on the recantations, defense attorneys also argued that Bello and Bradley had lied during the 1967 trial, telling the jurors that they had made only certain narrow, limited deals with prosecutors in exchange for their trial testimony. A detective taped one interrogation of Bello in 1966, and when it was played during the recantation hearing, defense attorneys argued that the tape revealed promises beyond what Bello had testified to. If so, prosecutors had either had a Brady obligation to disclose this additional exculpatory evidence, or a duty to disclose the fact that their witnesses had lied on the stand.

Larner denied this second argument as well, but the New Jersey Supreme Court unanimously held that the evidence of various deals made between the prosecution and witnesses Bello and Bradley should have been disclosed to the defense before or during the 1967 trial as this could have “affected the jury’s evaluation of the credibility” of the eyewitnesses. “The defendants’ right to a fair trial was substantially prejudiced,” said Justice Mark Sullivan.[10] The court set aside the original convictions and granted Carter and Artis a new trial.

Despite the difficulties of prosecuting a ten-year-old case, Prosecutor Burrell Ives Humphreys decided to try Carter and Artis again. To ensure, as best he could, that he did not use perjured testimony to obtain a conviction, Humphreys had Bello polygraphed—once by Leonard H. Harrelson and a second time by Richard Arther, both well-known and respected experts in the field.[citation needed] Both men concluded that Bello was telling the truth when he said that he had seen Carter outside the Lafayette immediately after the murders.[citation needed]

However, Harrelson also reported orally that Bello had been inside the bar shortly before and at the time of the shooting, a conclusion that contradicted Bello’s 1967 trial testimony.[17] Despite this oral report, Harrelson’s subsequent written report stated that Bello’s 1967 testimony had been truthful, the polygraphist apparently unaware that in 1967, Bello testified that he had been on the street at the time of the shooting.[17]

Posted April 20, 2014 5:55 pm 


Ray Ray

Anonymous-what are u trying 2 do….the mans dead & the case is closed….no respect.

Posted April 20, 2014 5:52 pm 


Ray Ray

Sad storey and a lesson 2 all. @ peace no Rubin….

Posted April 20, 2014 5:50 pm 


Anonymous

Did Hurricane Do It? Extract taken from ?Wikipedia

Rubin “Hurricane” Carter (May 6, 1937 – April 20, 2014) was an American middleweight boxer best known for having been wrongfully convicted for murder and later exonerated after spending 20 years in prison.

In 1966, police arrested Carter for a triple homicide in the Lafayette Bar and Grill in Paterson, New Jersey. Police stopped Carter’s car and brought him and another occupant, John Artis, to the scene of the crime. There was little physical evidence. Police took no fingerprints at the crime scene and lacked the facilities to conduct a paraffin test for gunshot residue. None of the eyewitnesses identified Carter or Artis as the shooters. Carter and Artis were tried and convicted twice (1967 and 1976) for the murders, but after the second conviction was overturned in 1985, prosecutors chose not to try the case for a third time.

Posted April 20, 2014 5:50 pm 


bobcat

Judge H Lee Sarokin said Carter’s convictions had been “predicated on an appeal to racism rather than reason, and concealment rather than disclosure”. Words of the judge himself. There it is haters. Let the man rest in peace, too much was taken from him already.

Posted April 20, 2014 5:16 pm 


bobcat

Thanks Prince I echo your words they never broke his spirit in life or in death, thats what the oppressor can never take from you.

Posted April 20, 2014 5:13 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

“He was a murderer despite the Hollywood left’s advocacy and attempt to rewrite history” That’s my take on it too.

Posted April 20, 2014 5:02 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Guilty or not; the man just passed on. Whether we feel he was guilty or not; he still spent time in prison so depending on how you view the situation; he paid his debt to society. So how long are people going to continue to beat a dead horse??? It just shows a how deep people HATRED runs. How does that help anything????

Posted April 20, 2014 4:22 pm 


B Red

Varnish, gtfoh you fookin troll

Posted April 20, 2014 3:30 pm 


B Red

Rip Rubin

Posted April 20, 2014 3:25 pm 


Anonymous

You fellas should read up on this before laying into others for not lamenting his death. There’s a lot of very strong evidence to suggest Carter was actually guilty.

I hate it when you get these disrespectful scumbags who come along and start disrespecting those that have recently passed away. But by the same token, we shouldn’t sweep certain things under the rug and treat someone like a saint or a martyr and proclaim their innocence if there’s such strong evidence suggesting they were guilty of committing such a horrendous crime.

Posted April 20, 2014 3:11 pm 


Tall Mike

Always a right winger with some hate speak

Posted April 20, 2014 2:49 pm 


The Prince

R.I.P. They never broke your spirit and your story was able to be told. You won’t be forgotten.

Posted April 20, 2014 2:37 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Hollywood did not get him off; a judge in the state of Illinios did…..You sir are a MORON!!!!!

Posted April 20, 2014 2:36 pm 


Jb221

Rip champ

Posted April 20, 2014 2:34 pm 


varnish

“It was pretty much proven there was nothing linking him to the murder..” By whom? Vituperation against the messenger is not a coherent argument for your position. Just spend a few minutes researching this murder and you will see that there has never been evidence adduced for his innocence. There is just a romantic Hollywood story about racist juries and injustice against an innocent black man. Certainly a true story sometimes, but not in the case of Hurricance Carter

Posted April 20, 2014 2:30 pm 


Anonymous

The last post was directed to that douche bag Varnish. I hope you die, real soon!

Posted April 20, 2014 2:23 pm 


Anonymous

Well said REASON. There is always a scumbag that wishes to speak ill of the dead. We only wish Manny Pacquiao’s mother would put a hex on you and you die the death of leprocy, after inhaling the mucus emissions of a leper and die in utter agony, you vile piece of filth.

Has no one told you to not to speak ill of the dead?

You’re just an internet troll. Please, crawl away and die in agony.

Posted April 20, 2014 2:22 pm 


Dax Ferguson

I likes Carter but Joey Giardello received a helfty settlement due to Hollywood’d depictation of their title fight. Joey took the Hurricane to school yet the movie insinuated Carter was robbed in the decision. Typical Hollywood BS. They did the same thing with Max Baer in the Braddock movie. Rest in peace, Rubin.

Posted April 20, 2014 2:01 pm 


Jasper’s

Varnish, to tarnish an innocent man on his death is not cool dude. Please link to your ‘proof.’ It was pretty much proven there was nothing linking him to the murder and a whole host of witnesses were ignored when they said he was at a bar at the time. Your lies are baseless and disgraceful.

Posted April 20, 2014 1:59 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Rest in Peace Champ. He was a warrior both in and out of the ring. May God bring peace to his family and his fans.

Posted April 20, 2014 1:57 pm 


Kareem Abdul-Jabaar

Varnish;You are no boxing fan, you are the one who needs to research or watch the film, u really r the lowest of the low.utter disgrace.

Posted April 20, 2014 1:57 pm 


Reality

And he was freed when it was proven he was not even in the place at the time of the murder. How was it overturned then? You are scum.

Posted April 20, 2014 1:54 pm 


varnish

He was before a judge and jury on 2 occasions and convicted. Attacking me is not an argument for his innocence. Do your research and you will find that the whole Hurricane Carter wrongly convicted myth is just that.

Posted April 20, 2014 1:20 pm 


Reality

varnish, you are the lowest of the low. The man was wrongfully convicted and imprisoned for 19 years and you speak lies when he dies. Karma will get you…..

Posted April 20, 2014 1:08 pm 


Reality

rip champ

Posted April 20, 2014 1:07 pm 


Reality

Pripyat champ.

Posted April 20, 2014 1:04 pm 


Rich

No need for a judge and jury when you have noobs like varnish…..he knows it all

Posted April 20, 2014 12:56 pm 


Lenin

Rest in peace, champ. An ATG who was betrayed and incarcerated, but never broken. See you on the other side, Hurricane.

Posted April 20, 2014 12:17 pm 


JeffC

R.I.P. Rubin.

Posted April 20, 2014 12:15 pm 


1-2

RIP

Posted April 20, 2014 11:46 am 


varnish

He was a murderer despite the Hollywood left’s advocacy and attempt to rewrite history ala Mumia

Posted April 20, 2014 11:46 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

R.I.P

Posted April 20, 2014 11:39 am 


Anonymous

too bad

Posted April 20, 2014 11:17 am 



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