Haye… lol!!! Evander Holyfield… best cruiserweight ever!!!Posted May 1, 2014 5:39 pm
And Lewis picked Harrison to beat Haye… Amazing. He’s really not that astute.Posted May 1, 2014 5:22 am
No… but I never foresaw Lewis being knocked out by Rahman or McCall either.
Obviously Lewis would be much tougher for Haye than Harrison—who Haye could have blown away in the 1st round if he hadn’t bet on a 3rd round stoppage for himself.
But I still contend that the Haye who completely dominated Chisora would be too fast and too sharp for Lewis… and even more so would the 2012 version of Wladimir.Posted May 1, 2014 5:17 am
Assyrian God says.., “We’ve yet to see the Steward and post Steward era Wlad put under the kind of pressure a prime Lewis would have exerted.”
Not quite true… David Haye was a lot better than Lewis. The lightning footed David Haye of the Dereck Chisora fight would box and punch the holy piss out of the pedestrian and ponderous Lewis.
Lennox picked Audley Harrison to beat Haye—that shows how much LL knows about speed and power.
Haye said.., “No WAY. Lewis thinks Audley will beat me? I think that’s really funny. That’s fkkin’ precious.. Harrison and Lewis are both big, tall, Olympic Gold Medal winners.. You know… Lewis has a lot more in common with Audley than that — including the ability to get sparked out by a hard fast punch … If Lennox watches the fight closely enough, and stays on high alert—and that’s tough for him—he’ll witness a harder and faster shot than he ever got knocked out with by Rahman or McCall.”Posted April 30, 2014 8:43 pm
Assyrian God.., I just think Wladimir would have peppered Lewis with his greater speed.. If Vitali, who had less than 2 weeks to prepare for a Heavyweight Championship Title shot, could pepper Lewis before all that blood started streaming into his eye — his faster and younger brother would have done a better job of tattooing Lewis’s face for 12-rounds… 120-108 on all 3 cards.
And if Vitali-Lennox had gone to the cards? Vitali would have won a UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION 6 of 12.Posted April 30, 2014 5:12 pm
beyond laughable.Posted April 29, 2014 2:40 pm
Benvenuti says.., “Wlad wobbles EVERY TIME anyone connects with his chin! Wlad is so cautious for one reason, he cant take a shot.”
He’s not cautious… He’s a good defender… It’s hard to lose if you never get hit.
Besides… David Haye caught Wladimir with a right hand in the 12th round — that drove a shower of sweat into the 5th row of seats … Wladimir took the shot well.Posted April 29, 2014 2:26 pm
Assyrian God.., “Lewis got stopped by Rahman because he went into the ring unfocused, untrained and in bad shape.”
WOW!!! What a load of excuses. What about the McCall KO???
Wladimir got stopped because he was sick and underweight for Puritty… because he was drugged for Brewster… and because Sander’s unique southpaw style might have knocked out Lewis too… Neither Wladimir NOR Lewis knew how to fight tall, fast, hard punching southpaws at that point in time.
How’s that for good excuses???Posted April 29, 2014 2:21 pm
K2 Fan, thats because Wlad wobbles EVERY TIME anyone connects with his chin! Wlad is so cautious for one reason, he cant take a shot.Posted April 29, 2014 1:01 pm
Lenny’s Ladies fan club logic : Lenny Lewis K.O.d twice ! Down for the count TWO TIMES ! Wlad NEVER counted
Many “ifs” in all the posts. Maybe Vitali has not the speed of Wlad, but he is hard hitting, has a very good defense and can take hard punches. He is a incredible fighter. My opinion is, that Wlad has speed but not a good defense and he gets in trouble, when his opponent comes closer to him. He looses control and begins to wave his hands. Of course only “if” someone comes closer to him. But a big and strong guy like Lewis has every chance to come close to him for the big punches. And Wlad cannot absorb those punches like Vitali can. Therefore I still believe, that Vitali is the bigger threat to Lewis. But all this is history. I would like to see such fights but sorrowly we have only some of these Leapais and some others, nobody cares for. I would like to see fights like Klits vs Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield and so on. It doesn´t matter to much for me who would win, but for boxing fans it wourld be fantastic.Posted April 29, 2014 3:59 am
Meant Jackson, not Jefferson.Posted April 28, 2014 10:46 pm
New Deal styles make fights. Vitali was pounding on LL, but didn’t stop him early when he had him in trouble. Vitali had very heavy hands, but not the explosiveness of Wlad. I say if LL ever had a prime only because he seemed to not really have any long period of highs or lows in his career, no knock on him, just can’t point to a specific period. Chris Bryd says there is no comparison on the power between Wlad and Vitali, it was hands down Wlad, Jffesron said the same between Wlad and LL. It really is a matter of who lands first between the two and I don’t think anyone can make the argument that LL was as fast as Wlad. If LL got inside I would pick him to win, that is where he gets the 3 wins vs the 7. Of course that is just IMHO.Posted April 28, 2014 10:33 pm
@Tony Galento ; yeah , like against Rahman and McCall !Posted April 28, 2014 5:44 pm
lewis was even slow compared to vitali. and got outpunched a ton. wladimir would pepper his ass off he’s so much faster.Posted April 28, 2014 5:34 pm
you betting on Wlad does not get hit. Lewis wins battle of attrition.Posted April 28, 2014 4:47 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
Prime Wlad beats prime Lewis 7 out of 10 times. Wlad is more explosive and hits harder than Vitali, but doesn’t throw as many punches. VK has a higher KO ratio as a direct result of being a super high-volume puncher for a HW. Wlad would floor Lewis at least once and probably stop him.Posted April 28, 2014 4:09 pm
IBF mandatory is next 2014!Posted April 28, 2014 2:41 pm
lewis wins by battle of attrition. same as vitali wins against wlad by battle of attrition.Posted April 28, 2014 2:40 pm
Maybe Lewis would beat Wlad, but only because he would have Steward as a trainer. What if not? Or what if Klitschko was trained by Steward too?Posted April 28, 2014 1:43 pm
Pratt , how do you figure Wlad has more power than vitali? Vitali’s Ko percentage is higher if i’m not mistaken. I disagree I think Lennox would’ve beaten Wlad. But hey it’s a pick’em fight. I just think Steward would’ve guided him into victory. As for rahman, that was a fluke. It has not bearing as to how that fight would’ve played out. Rahman Ko’d a prime Corrie Sanders. How did Sanders vs Wlad play out? I honestly think unlike the incompetent challengers of today. Lennox would’ve been able to close the gap. Again as he was able to do against vitali. LL would destroy Wlad. The question we should be asking is what would’ve happened in a rematch of Vitali & Lewis.Posted April 28, 2014 1:36 pm
More like Lionfart instead of Loinheart.Posted April 28, 2014 12:12 pm
Good article by the way. Most of the “anger” is actually misguided. Yes there are some Klit haters that are just upset with his success but I think the majority of boxing fans are moreso upset with his competition. Somehow they blame Wlad, but they really are upset with the comp. At the end of the day All fans really want is a Lennox lewis vs Vitali klitshcko type hw bout. A good fight were both fighers are challenged, and you talk about it afterward saying to yourself “man I want to see a rematch”. what’s frustrating, No one comes in and even TRIES to do anything differently. Seriously all wlad’s opponents for whatever ridiculous reason , just keeps following the same losing strategy. just follows him around staying on the outside eating jabs. No uppercuts, No combinations, No attempting to double jab to jab their way in, hell they don’t even try dirty tactics to cheat. Something Different!!! hell even Calvin brock had (albeit limited) Some success double jabbing his way in. But NO, They just duck low (slowly bobbing & weaving) and then try some haymakers. Definition of insanity, repeating the same action over & over and expecting a different result. It’s as if people don’t ever watch footage of sanders vs Wlad or even Wlad vs Williamson. (dance around and make wlad chase you) I’ve about had it with these guys serving as stationary punching bags and then Wlad gets credit for being the greatest. Yes Wlad is good and utilizes his skill to the utmost and I realize the concept of presenting a different look to someone who has an extensive amateur career & 65 pro fights is easier said than done but COME ON! I just don’t understand what these opposing trainers have going on. To give you guys an illustration imagine if in David Tua’s prime , all his opponents instead of boxing and giving different looks. decided to go head up against him & get into a Left hook battle with him and fight in close quarters. Tua would’ve dominated for years on in. As a fan how would you feel seeing opponent after opponent do that, instead of boxing david’s ears off. Then listening to Tua nuthuggers call him the greatest ever. Imagine that, then you’d have a better understanding as to most people’s problem with the Wlad reign.Posted April 28, 2014 11:27 am
You guys are missing a KEY element when asking if Wladimir would’ve beaten Lennox in each of their primes or lets say if they had fought back in 2002. Emmanuel Steward would’ve been in LENNOX’s Corner , NOT WLADs. That my friend would’ve made SO much more difference. Lennox would’ve beat Wlad. Make no mistake , he knew how to cut off the ring and get on the inside. Much the same way he was able to close the distance against Vitali. Yes he was down on the cards but you Klit nuthuggers love to rewrite history and pretend as if the tide & momentum didn’t TOTALLY Switch in lennox’s favor. It was PUNCHES (right hands) that had Vitali’s face looking like 2-face from batman. Wlad is doing his thing and dominating this weak division now. I give him his props but stop it, you guys take it way too far. Lennox would’ve taken Wlad out.Posted April 28, 2014 10:40 am
New Deal : about the Vitali Lennox fight. Without the cut things would have looked very different.
DMX ; No argument ! You know why .Posted April 28, 2014 10:29 am
Billy Goat Boxer
A very finely written article !!Posted April 28, 2014 9:24 am
laj said: “A prime Lennox, if there ever was one, would lose 7 out of 10 fights to Wlad”. Of course, you are the boxing expert, but maybe you are wrong. Vitali, in my opinion the better one of the brothers, lost by TKO against “if there ever was one prime” LL. So, how can anyone assume that Wlad would win 7 of 10 fights against LL?Posted April 28, 2014 8:40 am
@laj Hiya. You may be right about Wlad at his best beating Lennox Lewis, but it’s all opinion. At the same time, don’t underestimate how good Lennox Lewis was in his prime… Yes, for sure Wlad has more speed in the ring than Lennox did and he looks a superior athlete with better footwork too. Lewis was more heavy footed…Wlad may well be a harder puncher out of two hard punchers…I’m not sure he’s stronger than Lewis though. Vitali can tell you that Lennox was very strong indeed…Lennox looked a more natural fighter than Wladimir and looked more comfortable in a ‘physical’ fight to my way of seeing things though, Lennox was mentally strong too, Lennox was a better infighter, he often seemed more dominating and he often got people out of there quicker than Wlad does. Lewis would have bombed Haye out in a couple of rounds, I’m pretty sure of that…Remember, LL and Wlad are both Olympic Super Heavyweight Gold Medallists, so these are the best of the best…Posted April 28, 2014 7:43 am
Hold that one in a supermarket car park in Hull
Bill Patrice Jones
The fights I want to see are; Wladimir vs Tyson Fury in a German football arena. Wladimir vs Chris Arreola/Bermane Stiverne in Las Vegas Wladimir vs Pulev in a German Arena and Wladimir vs. Deontay Wilder in America. Obviously we all hopelessly wish that one day the mega mega fight of Wladimir vs Audley Harrison might one day happen in the UK, however it’s not likely since Harrison’s form has been bad. At one time it could have been the biggest fight ever. The two greatest super heavyweight olympic gold medallists going toe to toePosted April 28, 2014 6:09 am
Bill Patrice Jones
The whole Klitschko era saga is ultimately a load of nationalistic, nostalgia driven specious nonsense. The simple fact is that heavyweight boxing will never ascend the heights it once held for one specific reason. From the 1950s until the 1990s American heavyweight boxing was very much a part of modern American history. Such issues of; civil rights, racism, poverty, black empowerment, media distortion were actually communicated in many respects through the medium of boxing. The Ali Vs Liston fight for example had so much to dowith black identity, white prejudice, the growing belief that African Americans could be intellectual. It was, and is, a PART OF HISTORY. This is never likely to happen again. Even as late as the 90s there was heavily infused racial and social undertones with rivalries like Tyson and Lewis. The absolute stone cold fact is that after Vitali Klitschko retired there was a lull. This was caused in part by the fact that many talented contenders accepted the reality that they didn’t really need to be in top athletic condition to be successful. The four way title trade off between 2004 and 2006 was dissapointing. However, once Wladimir emerged as the real article, the truly dominant force things changed. The top versions of; Samuel Peter, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Chris Byrd, Ruslan Chagaev are not and were not bums or easy challenges. HBO, and all American broadcasters always wondered and pontificated about Wladimir one day becoming the next Lennox Lewis because he was so talented. Yet following his setbacks, and the sudden disenchantment which grew after Lewis’ retirement, when Wladimir actually DID become that next Lennox Lewis the American media pretended they never said such things, and shamefully distanced themselves from giving him his due credit. The American media has a lot of responsibility for Wladimir’s polarized image. If an athlete is denigrated, and not presented in an appropriate medium then the casual fan, or man on the street, will struggle to realise how good he is. Wladimir is an ATG and would give any heavyweight of the past a very hard fight beating most. I would bet my life on thatPosted April 28, 2014 6:04 am
I understand there’s not a lot of challenges out there for Klitschko but lets be sensible this fight shouldn’t have been sanctioned, it’s hard to say who could beat him (none in my view) but Wilder, Fury or Chisora would at least have credibility, I’ve always been critical of Klitschko but one thing I really do appreciate about the lad is that he always turns up in shape !Posted April 28, 2014 5:25 am
keep the hw circus rolling.Posted April 28, 2014 5:15 am
Only if Tyson Fury sings Elvis’s version of “wooden toy” in GermanPosted April 28, 2014 4:25 am
The way he lives and trains, he could quite easliy defend for another 5 x years
80 Fights for a heavyweight in the modern era would be an amazing achievementPosted April 28, 2014 2:06 am
Wladimir is not going to quit for a long, long time… He’ll probably have 80 professional fights before he quits Boxing. With Vitali retiring it opens up the world to him.
With his brother Vitali retired at 42, this is just what WK wants.. There’ll be more heavyweights for him to fight without sharing contenders with his brother.
He’ll be able to fight 3 times a year for the next 4 or 5 years.. That way Wladimir can have 3 months of vacations every year — and have three different 3-month training camps a year.Posted April 28, 2014 1:15 am
K2 Fan and rich
Yet another boring mismatch, leaning and holding. Some ppl call this guy great?????? What great heavyweight fights on ESPN? There are much bigger guys he can fight who more of a threat hell, he doesn’t need to train for the guys he fights.Posted April 27, 2014 11:28 pm
Ghost of Shoeless Joe
Good column, Peck. You are quite right that the bums criticizing WKlit are blind to the fact boxers are building careers out of not facing him.
That said, Wladdy is old, he’s reaching the end, and all this is going to be a moot point in 12-24 months, anyway. Second-raters will soon have a serious chance at the top HW prizes.Posted April 27, 2014 11:20 pm
Assyrian God says.., “Lewis would have comfortably beaten Wlad had they fought between 200 and 2003.”
That matchup would always have always been problematic for Lewis.
Lewis was extremely vulnerable to straight right hands.. He was knocked out by those shots TWICE.. Wladimir has one of the greatest straight right hands in the history of Boxing.
Vitali hurt Lewis very badly with straight right hands…and VK beats you down more than flattens you with a shot.. It was only after blood was streaming into his eye that VK couldn’t get that shot on Lewis’s chin anymore.
Even before Emmanuel Steward helped Wladimir made needed changes in his stance, footwork, defense, and clinching technique, Wladimir still had that massive right hand punch.. He was able to KO huge men like Jameel McCline and Derrick Jefferson, who were much bigger than Lewis.Posted April 27, 2014 10:01 pm
DMX ; This applies to you perfectly ; ” Never argue with an idiot . He drags you down to his level and beats you with experience ” !Posted April 27, 2014 9:02 pm
sean patrick harrington
Because american heavys suck. Wilder barely got a bronze and has not beat a top 20 hell maybe top 50 boxer.Posted April 27, 2014 7:40 pm
Vitali retired me.Posted April 27, 2014 6:37 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
How on earth does the WBC have Wilder ranked so highly — as the mandatory challenger to the winner of Arreola vs. Stiverne??? Wilder has never even beat a Top 20 contender. It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. WTF?Posted April 27, 2014 6:11 pm
Wilder will KO Wlad in 1, easy work
Without Shannon Briggs nobody would have known that Wladimir had a fight this weekend!Posted April 27, 2014 5:43 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Great job! Congratulations to Wladimir Klitschko for making your 16th world title defence by KO WBO #1 mandatory challanger Alex Leapai.
Nice done and 1 mandatory challanger away from the picture, the next mandatory one on the line will be IBF #1 Kubrat Pulev.Posted April 27, 2014 5:36 pm
sean p h
Bbc. Haye fan? I think soPosted April 27, 2014 4:42 pm
one of the best articles i have read on here for quite a whilePosted April 27, 2014 4:12 pm
Wlad scores yet another win to stretch his run of successful title defenses. It’s been a decade now and he’s faced any and all comers. No wonder Hayden likes playing sit and spin on his cockk.Posted April 27, 2014 3:39 pm
Hi KL, if you are saying the WBO did a bad job of ranking fighters I will agree with that 100%. I don’t think either of those two belonged in the top 15. Boystov’s best fight was over Taras Bidenko and not Guinn. He looked good against him, and I thought he would be a good heavy, but has gone hill badly since then. He seemed to lose all his drive at some point.Posted April 27, 2014 3:11 pm
Laj………. it’s nothing to do with whether Lepai was madatory or not. Read.Tark and Dan’s comments regarding Boystov……their argument is that Boystov was so good that Lepai by beating Boystov, becomes a worthy opponent.
Good articlePosted April 27, 2014 2:23 pm
KL. what does Leapai being a credible opponent have to do with Wlad? He didn’t choose him, he was a mandatory. Wlad has always honored his mandatories. So what is the point?Posted April 27, 2014 2:19 pm
Xavier, Wlad has other obvious advantages over Lennox. One he is a much harder puncher, two he is in another world as far as speed goes. A prime Lennox, if there ever was one, would lose 7 out of 10 fights to Wlad. Wlad gets to Lennox’s chin first, and Wlad is far more powerful than either Rhaman of McCall. Lewis’s only chance is to get inside, and the present day Wlad would tie him up and is much stronger than Lewis. Jefferson, who fought both fighters stated it would be Wlad all day long and he was much faster and hit much harder, and that was the young Wlad with defects that have been corrected.Posted April 27, 2014 2:16 pm
Tark,Dan et al……….why do you think Lepai was a credible opponent soley on the strength that he beat Boystov????
Boystov has never beaten a rated opponent and judging how he made such a meal out of his fight with the very limited Lepai, it’s fairly obvious that Boystov would struggle with nearly all the other “contenders” out there, especially as Lepai wasn’t really considered even a fringe contender before he fought Boystov.
i am a Klitschko fan, but he should be ashamed of himself for fighting Lepai. He beat him by size only. I would have deducted points from Klitschko in the 1st round for pushing Lepai down…Posted April 27, 2014 1:35 pm
10 years Klitschko is unbeaten, 10 years of fighting bums, 10 years of boring fightsPosted April 27, 2014 1:27 pm
Tark, DMX rightly points out that Moorer was way past his peak when he met Tua……..not saying he wouldn’t of got Ko’ed by Tua, but he might have lasted longer than he did if he met Tua when he was at his peak.
Opps that comment below from “anonymous ” was me……I forgot to fill in the name box”Posted April 27, 2014 1:01 pm
“Leapai beat the man that I thought was going to take Klitschko’s belts, Denis BOYSTOV”- Dan
Vitali would always give Lennox a tough fight, even prime Lennox I reckon. Zeljko Mavrovic and Tony Tucker took Lewis the full 12 rounds and Vitali has the height, chin, power and weird style to cause anyone problems. What saved LL that night was making it a street brawl and cutting Vitali. A rematch would have been fitting, but Lewis had the right to retire at 37/38. Vitali therefore took over. The best Lennox TKO’s the best Wladimir without dispute I think. Lennox was a better infighter. Wlad is an ‘on top’ fighter, though he did come through a tough one against Sam Peter when it was all on the line for him…Posted April 27, 2014 12:45 pm
One who lurked
They keep telling us artificial intelligence, computers getting smarter, miracles of medical science yada yada… How about a pill to raise DMX’ IQ from room temperature?Posted April 27, 2014 12:37 pm
I remember the Morrison fight. Like Wald Morrison would have likley been stopped if it had gone one round longer. The difference being Wlad dominated and won every round before the tenth when he gassed. Tommy went on to easily beat Foreman after this fight.Posted April 27, 2014 12:37 pm
Another sad day for Pactards
Sorry for all the typosPosted April 27, 2014 12:31 pm
Another sad day for Pactards
A lot of people don’t know. That Purrity went 10 rounds with atommy Morrison. Scored a knock down in the 10th round. Also most ko’d tommy Morrison. The fight was declared a draw. B it I remember the crowd booing the decision.Posted April 27, 2014 12:31 pm
De Lima I.
Great article!Posted April 27, 2014 12:29 pm
For all those that think Wlads chin is bad name the last time he was down? Also name the longest stretch between Lewis getting stretched, or Ali getting knocked down? Even Foreman was knocked out by light hitting Ali , and knocked down 25% KO man Young. The smallest man to stop Wlad was 6’2″ 225 lb hard hitting Brewster and we all saw what happened to him in the second fight. Both Purrity and Sanders were very big men, but that was long time ago and a completely different fighter. People seem to forget Wald weighed 220 lbs for Purity, had lost 8 lbs in the three weeks in between his fight with Purrity and it was his first 12 round fight.Posted April 27, 2014 12:28 pm
Another sad day for Pactards
That is true. Lewis was one the most. Dirtiest fighters ever . He was a. Notorious rabbit puncherPosted April 27, 2014 12:22 pm
DMX, let’s see Peter 1. The point is Wlad destroyed Mercer. The first fighter to drop him much less stop him, and Wlad was not even close to his peak yet. By the way it was Wlad knocking Brewster all over the ring that night. Brewster won one minute out of the 15 minutes. That had nothing to do with getting hit, Wlad just had some strange stamina problems or chemical imbalance that fight and was still the first person to ever drop Brewster in the 4th round. Sanders did indeed catch wlad and knock him all over the ring. On the other hand Lewis was caught and KO’d by two subpar fighters. Wlad has never been KO’d and Sanders was a fast big lefty that caught him with his Sunday best and stil could not keep him down.Posted April 27, 2014 12:21 pm
Another sad day for Pactards
Hey DMX .. Lewis got ktfo by a crack head(McCall) and a chinless bum RahamnPosted April 27, 2014 12:21 pm
Name a fight where
Wlad is a on top fighter, Brewster and Saunders had him scrambling around the floor
DMX, Vital and Wlad are completely different fighters. Wlad hits much harder and more explosive than Vitali, just not as heavy. Wlad would have likely KO’d Lennox, but in a 10 fight series I would have it 7-3 for Wlad. Wlad is faster stronger and the same chin or better than Lennox. the only advantage Lennox had was the inside and dirty fighting, which does count for something. Vitali said that He was hit much harder by Sanders than Lennox.Posted April 27, 2014 12:05 pm
Another sad day for Pactards
A reporter asked Emanuel Steward why Lenix Lewis retired. One word.
Another sad day for Pactards
Yep DMX YOUR RIGHT. But Lewis pu$Sed out in the rematch. Atleast when Mayweather won a controversial decision against Casillio, he gave him a rematch.Posted April 27, 2014 12:03 pm
Vitali v Lennox has been discussed on this site several times
Lennox left Vitalis face in pretty much the state of your Grandmothers vag!naPosted April 27, 2014 11:58 am
It’s clear from numerous postings of his that DMX is an idiot actually, so bear that in mind when trying to have an intelligent debate with him.Posted April 27, 2014 11:54 am
Lennox retired because he did not want to get back in the ring with Vitali-sooooooo please DMX just give it up!!!Posted April 27, 2014 11:52 am
I wish Briggs would retire, Vitali almost killed him in the ring, you could tell after awhile that Vitali started to pull his punches. I am sure that he was concerned about doing permanent damage to Briggs. No one wants to kill a fighter in the ring. Please remember after that fight Briggs went straight to hospital to be checked for concussions and he was in very bad shape for awhile.Posted April 27, 2014 11:51 am
It is IBF Mandatory season. yahoooo!Posted April 27, 2014 11:48 am
Silly question really
Both fighters at their peaks
DMX-please name one of the past heavyweights who could 10 rounds with Vitali so I can laugh at you!Posted April 27, 2014 11:36 am
Thank you Jason, finally someone said it. Please remember that Leapai beat the man that I thought was going to take Klitschko’s belts, Denis BOYSTOV-I been watching Boystov for awhile now and he is some boxer. Leapai BEAT Boystov which means that Leapai gets a shot at the belt. All of the other so called contenders are avoiding Klitschko and as the author said, once all these contenders found out they wouldn’t have to fight Vitali there were several contenders for Vitali’s belt. Given the chance Vald will beat them all as soon as they step into the ring.
Sorry about thatPosted April 27, 2014 11:05 am
@DMX, Sorry but that’s a load of Garbage. The WBA as far as heavyweights go has been terrible, The WBC supposed to be the most prestigious organization? Give me a break it was run as personal racket by the late Sulleiman for as long as I can remember, go and do a search on their history and it’s apparent they were in the pocket of MR King for a long long time. The WBC didn’t recognize Douglas as the champ (even though we all knew he was) because they were so deep in Don Kings’ pocket. The IBF was considered so meaningless at the time by the Lennox Lewis (who again we all knew was champ) that he gave it up instead of an easy (IMHO) defense against Chris Byrd. It all a matter of perspective as to which belts hold the most weight at a certain point in time.
Great article, and some great comments too.
Pulev to win! Pulev-Wlad 2014.Posted April 27, 2014 10:29 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
Just for the record, Cornelius Sanders hit like a damn mule and would’ve knocked out a lot of HWs throughout the course of history. Plus, he was a southpaw and fired his straight left from awkward angles. That’s precisely why Lennox Lewis always avoided him.Posted April 27, 2014 10:28 am
Michael Moorer held the WBA and the IBF
Wlad lost to Sanders ; that’s a fact . Sanders beat him ,
Well, I do complain about that fight. Because it actually wasn’t a fight. A championship bout should never be as one-sided as that. It’s not neccessarily Klitschko’s fault, but I do complain for what I’ve seen.
That is actually false. When Chrisora came in to fight Fury he was way out of shape and that was the biggest fight of his life to that point. When Lepei came in to fight Wlad this past Saturday he was the heaviest of his career. Sorry but not all fighters seem to take their biggest fights as serious as they should. And if you actually look at Sanders record you will see that he lost to some bums also.Posted April 27, 2014 9:35 am
wazza_g1980 . I think its a myth that Sanders was so badly unfocused and out of shape. Eny boxer in the world would take things a lot more seriously if they suddenly had the chance of becomming worldchampion and earn millions. And with Sanders power and handspeed he knew chances was very good.Posted April 27, 2014 8:48 am
Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev is the fight to make now. WK beats him too…Wladimir Klitschko is an ATG heavyweight champion for length of reign and number of successful defences in an age when men generally are bigger, stronger and better trained than ever and the sport is global like never before… Wlad moves well for a big man, he’s an athletic HW. He’s at least top 7-10 in the heavies list for sure, somewhere like that, with the chance to go higher.Posted April 27, 2014 8:47 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
Yes…of course I know there are big stylistic differences between pro and amateur boxing. I just wanted to throw out the little known fact that Pulev lost to Solis (not exactly a world beater) three times in the amateurs because Kubrat is still undefeated. And because he’s still undefeated in the pros, many fans think he can beat Wlad.
I disagree. I believe Pulev will give Wlad a good, competitive fight but his skills are not elite enough to beat him. Some people claim that Wlad has a “glass jaw.” That’s a myth! He had been stopped a few times before he became a defensive master, but he has NEVER been KO’d. WK has always beaten the count and finished on his feet or stool. My point is that even if Pulev lands a few clean, hard shots and knocks him down, WK will get up and fight on. I’d say that Pulev, with his average 55% KO ratio, has a very slim chance of knocking out WK. And if he can’t stop WK, he simply can’t win.Posted April 27, 2014 8:24 am
@DMX you are incorrect, my countryman and Wlad conqueror Corrie Sanders was a southpaw, but was a comfortable switch hitter. so Michael Moorer was not the only southpaw HW champ ever. Sanders would have flattened Michael Moorer within 2 rounds. If he was as serious about boxing as he was about his golf and leisure time he would have been the first to stop VK – even out of shape and unfocused Sanders gave Vitali all he could handle until he gassed out. RIP Corrie we miss you!Posted April 27, 2014 8:20 am
Wlad running from Pulev his mandatory again what a joke. Grow a pair and,fight Pulev everyone knows he’s legit and would give you a run for your money. Wlad is officially scared of Pulev and we all now know it. Grabimir Ducklitchko is a ATG at knocking out bums.Posted April 27, 2014 8:09 am
Great article!Posted April 27, 2014 7:46 am
Solid article – I hope Slater is taking notesPosted April 27, 2014 7:16 am
Another Boxing Fan
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing), it is all true what you said in your last comment, but let’s consider the reasons for that…
Good article and similar to what I have been saying for years. But you forgot to mention that Leapi was his mandatory and he had to fight him because he beat the number 1 contender. The other “top” contenders won’t even fight each other. They will now because the WBC is available. We supposed tp call that guy the champ??? The guy he gets the WBC title. If ever there was a paper champion in history then the new holder of the wbc will be it.Posted April 27, 2014 7:09 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
Wlad wants the winner of Arreola vs. Stiverne next, so that he can take his brother’s old WBC belt and unify all the titles ASAP.
The winner of Arreola vs. Stiverne is supposed to face Wilder, the mandatory challenger, in their first defense. However, unification fights generally are given precedent over normal title defenses in most cases. What this means is that Wlad will have a fairly good chance of getting the winner of Stiverne vs. Arreola, as long as the IBF and WBC don’t stop him.
But Wlad doesn’t want to be stripped of his IBF title by delaying his defense against Pulev, and that’s why he would first need permission from the IBF before taking on the winner of Arreola vs. Stiverne.Posted April 27, 2014 6:16 am
Bo Bo Olson
Very good article.
I was there for Sanders, Wald stood up from his hands and knees about a second after the ref waved it off. He’d beaten a count.
Joe Lewis’s bum of the month were I think all top ten, single line of contenders. Ali’s bum of the month club had a lot of Leapai types no one ever heard of like Brian London. Holms had his ‘kiddy’ parade. (Dodged who ever was champ in the other belt. Helped found the IBF when he was told to fight a man, instead of a kid.)
Byrd was hated, he boxed. No one cared he was a small man fighting big men. Boxers are hated by the stupid.
Both Wald and Vittile were hated even back ‘before’ Sanders when he was going for the KO ASAP….race, and a ‘Russian’, made it easy for the simple minded to hate.
Atlas did not bother to put down his drink, to watch the big Ukrainian propaganda event, Vitilie’s wife sang the Ukrainian national anthem before the fight; doing a very nice job…she likes singing….
Decent article with a lot of truth in it. Wlad looked good last night against Leapai and the way he boxed last night was the way he should have boxed more against Povetkin. Step to the side, not let his opponent get set and barrel in, use the jab and work from long range. Klitschko knocked Povetkin down early, remember, and then allowed Povetkin, who was determined to survive, to get too close for much of the fight. Remember, Wlad had to go to Russia to fight on Povetkin’s home turf so that was a different scenario. I think Wlad was a bit stung from the reaction to that one.It looks like Wlad is still prepared to learn…Now, after 10 unbeaten years, a 62-3 record and still Champ at 38 years of age, who are the best guys left for Wladimir Klitschko to fight…Pulev, Fury, whoever has the WBC belt which should be Stiverne or Wilder…whoever has the WBC belt will probably look to avoid Wlad for as long as possible…Posted April 27, 2014 6:02 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
Pulev will get his shot to fight Wlad, there’s no doubt about it. He’s a really good HW — good enough to beat Stiverne, Arreola, Fury and the others in the Top 10. However, Pulev cannot match Wlad’s hand speed and does not have nearly as much punching power.
Pulev lost to Solis three different times in the amateurs. He’s not unbeatable, and Wlad would simply outbox him and win.Posted April 27, 2014 5:51 am
Excellent article. I made some of the same points on the previous thread (so you must be right ;-)).Posted April 27, 2014 5:26 am
watchin the Klits is like watching Mike Weaver dominating the HWs for decades. crap.Posted April 27, 2014 4:39 am
He needs a year or two and some better challenges, but I think Anthony Joshua is the real deal and is the best chance of a test for Klitchsko. Even now I’d give him far better odds than Fury, Chisora. Wilder has the size, not sure he has the heart though – and Joshua is in the same category there of course.Posted April 27, 2014 4:30 am
The Michael Moorer who David a Tua blasted out was shot to bits
Still was and is the only ever Southpaw Heavyweight Champ . . . .Posted April 27, 2014 4:25 am
Well Kareem….tell Wlad 2 start lining up the names u mentioned.Posted April 27, 2014 4:24 am
Wlad will beat all comers the HW Division has been dying since Lewis retired,Wlad would beat Wilder, Arreola Stiverne, Fury, you name them, and he will roll them over.Posted April 27, 2014 4:18 am
Jimmy, good post!Posted April 27, 2014 4:12 am
Yeah Pulev with all his power. What is he gonna try to do out jab WK. If TT hadn’t gassed out we wouldn’t be talking about pulev. TT did take the fight on short notice.Posted April 27, 2014 4:08 am
This is an interesting article and I agree mostly with what is said there. With one exclusion – Pulev and his promoters have been trying for a fight with Wlad for over a year. Wlad has a mandatory defense that is LONG overdue (I believe it is almost a year overdue), and instead of going for that defense, he decided to go with a match against half-amateur Leapai, who just earned his top contender right from a an extremely overrated Boytsov (Boytsov is the Russian version of Wilder). Pulev and Haye have been the only ones that haven’t been running from the match with Wlad. Well, he got Haye (one of his toughest defensese IMHO) mostly because of his size, but Pulev is same/similar size as him. It would be an extremely interesting match and I would say it is more like 2-1 or 2.5-1 than 4-1, having watched 6-7 matches of Pulev. He beat Thompson, but he also beat Ustinov (sparring partner of Wlad) and Dimitrenko, both very big size boys.Posted April 27, 2014 3:55 am
so nice we get these little gems written on ESB from time to time, hopefully they give guys like JP more bytes that idiots like collins/sorbyPosted April 27, 2014 3:32 am
Very well said! Good reporting!Posted April 27, 2014 3:32 am
The biggest Klitchkos problem is they are not americans.Posted April 27, 2014 3:27 am
Another bum of the month fight! How can someone like Leapai be a mandatory challanger? What a disgrace!Posted April 27, 2014 3:08 am
More than a decade ago, Wladimir Klitschko during his short slump of being twice KO’d, was smart enough to team up with the late GREAT Emmanuel Steward, who helped him overcome his stamina issues and questionable chin, by better pacing his great coordination and hand speed, to fight the ‘big man’ style, more his older but less coordinated brother Vitali does, also with great success. Along with that, Steward also improved Wlad’s endurance, and his standing taller, to make better use of his height and reach, thus turning what was an already great jab into and even better one for both offense and defense. And the the stellar result is a mistakenly, and grossly underrated ATG Heavweight Champ… And his brother TOO!! Similar to how Larry Holmes is criminally underrated and underapreciated.Posted April 27, 2014 2:45 am
WK could care less what people think. Send someone to beat him.Posted April 27, 2014 2:29 am
Wladimir Klitschko is one of the all-time greats.
He and his brother are true giants in the game.
It really says something about the sad state of boxing fans that some actually criticise Klitchsko, while praising Debumtay Wilder.
It is like madness and insanity are blinding people.
The reign of the Klitchko’s is one of the greatest stories in the history of the division.
Like Lewis, they will not be appreciated until they have long retired..Posted April 27, 2014 2:15 am
Not a fan of wlad the guy is Boring and it’s bad enough he has every physical advantage but he likes to ues his wait to push down on his opponent’s neck.Posted April 27, 2014 2:10 am
I think you can see that Wladimir is going to be faced with Deontay Wilder when he’s 39..
That’s a ripe old age for a boxer to face a young bomber with Deontay’s height, reach, size, speed, and power … considering Ali was beaten by a cherry-picked 197-pound Leon Stinks (6-0-1) when he was only 36.
I didn’t blame Ali for fighting Stinks… rather than Larry Holmes.Posted April 27, 2014 2:08 am
Message board trolls and keyboard warriors – what does that make you? A Klitschko peer, a fellow champ?
KL.., “Moorer even at his peak may not have beaten Wlad but he would put up a better show than Lepai ever could.”
Michael Moorer lasted 20 seconds versus David Tua… That’s not as long as Leapai lasted.. George Foreman threw ONE (1) KO punch in his last 7 fights.. The guy he got was Michael Moorer — at age 45.
Moorer was the only guy George was able to floor in his last 7 fights.
Wladimir has one of the best straight rights ever… and that’s the exact punch Moorer had such a big problem with.Posted April 27, 2014 1:53 am
You can’t still be trying to talk sense into boxtra.Posted April 27, 2014 1:42 am
Boxtradamus says.., “Briggs was CORRECT. Leapai was target practice.”
Right.. Who wasn’t correct about that??? I mean Leapai wasn’t target practice for Denis Boytsov.. Leapai took Boyt to the woodshed ands spanked him.
So would Shannon Briggs be target practice??? It’s not like Briggs could ever defend himself well… The last title fight Briggs had was against 5 inches shorter Sultan Ibragimov… Briggs was lit up like a Christmas tree … What would Wladimir do to a 41 year old Briggs? He’d KILL him … that’s what.Posted April 27, 2014 1:41 am
Atlas has some kind of a problem with Klichko, constant accusations and critics. It was A+ fight from Wlad: not much holding, jabbing, combinations, moving, knock out… What else do you want? But listening Teddy, it was somewhat a disappointment.Posted April 27, 2014 1:16 am
Good article……………Vladimir Klitschko is,by far, the best heavyweight in the world.Posted April 27, 2014 12:58 am
sean p h
Wladimir would outclass wilder. Wilder has fought nothing but club fightersPosted April 27, 2014 12:15 am
I’d like to see, Stivern get a shot.Posted April 27, 2014 12:02 am
sean p h
Klitschko!Posted April 27, 2014 12:00 am
Box give it up, Wlad and Ward are never going to meet, it is just stupid to suggest it, unless Ward gains 40 lbs in the next 4 years and catches Wlad as an old man. Even then he would likley get beat. That fight will never happen, so lets just talk about realistic opponents.Posted April 26, 2014 11:46 pm
Boxtradomus is on fire going after klitchko ..lol it is hurting him sooooo much that klitchko ko’d the guy …
HahahahahahahahahahaPosted April 26, 2014 11:39 pm
Not likely DG, but you can dream.Posted April 26, 2014 11:38 pm
Boom!! Well stated argument! Nuf said.Posted April 26, 2014 11:34 pm
Fantastic article. Fact is all the so called ‘contenders’ will be another Wlad Klitschko victim.Posted April 26, 2014 11:17 pm
“Boards don’t hit back”………. Lepai made the mistake of being like the board……..he got confused with “being like water”……as Bruce Lee once said!Posted April 26, 2014 11:05 pm
Briggs was CORRECT. Leapai was target practice.Posted April 26, 2014 10:56 pm
arreola, Bermane Stiverne, Deontay Wilder and Fury have good chance against klit. First two least, but Wilder will kill Klit.Posted April 26, 2014 10:51 pm
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Wlad’s a titPosted April 26, 2014 10:45 pm
They aren’t really bums! Wlad just makes them look like ones!He is just that good!Posted April 26, 2014 10:44 pm
Redz . . . . Redz. . . . Where are you Bro ?Posted April 26, 2014 10:41 pm
Not sure that would be the case Laj………Wlad respects the other fighters skills and would be much more wary of someone like Moorer and wouldn’t necessarily go in for the kill too early……..with Lepai, Wlad already knows Lepai is very limited and had no strategy for the fight against him, so he stepped it up in rd 5 as he knows Lepai really has nothing up his sleeve.
great story, an I will go so far to say these guys lean to bum looking side when in the ring with wlad. What your facing is not just reach an power or boxing ability, but true elite boxing skills to take advantage of these gifts, I mean wlad made him look like they found him at the corner bar they threw him in the ring with him, I am not talking about leapai (of course him too), but povetkin, the gold medlist who was undefeated as a pro. Wlad is just a All time Great, an this what they make fighter look like in the ring. I mean to me sanders to me was the only fight he ever had he did not just box someone at a different level for most of the fight, an that includes the two fights he lostPosted April 26, 2014 10:34 pm
KL he would have put on a better show, but likely would have been stopped earlier. Leapai’s chin is better.Posted April 26, 2014 10:28 pm
Laj, Moorer was at his peak in 1994………….he fought Castillo in 2004……..10 years past his peak.
Good article. Wlad holds all of the sanctioning bodies belts. Because of this, he must fight whomever that sanctioning body so declares the #1 contender. It’s not Wlads fault. He fights whoever is next in line. Once again, it’s called boxing, not street fighting. It’s about hitting and not getting hit.Posted April 26, 2014 10:21 pm
Hi KL Moorer had talent, but was easily beaten by Castillo, who was stopped easily by Wlad, so I am not sure he would have faired any better than Leapai.Posted April 26, 2014 10:12 pm
ali lost to leon spinks,trevor berbick,ken Norton (easily could have lost the other fight with Norton it was split nd questionable). Wihout angelos glove fiasco henry cooper had him beat. He retired a bloated has been. Why don’t people like teddy atlas bring up this stuff? He would have zero chance against either klitschko.Posted April 26, 2014 10:07 pm
@Redz your boy got dealt with and your knowhere to be seen. WBO should be discusted with themselves for allowing thisPosted April 26, 2014 10:00 pm
Badger, I think Lepai is much worse than Moorer ever was in the “easy to hit” category………have you seen the Travis Walker fight……….Lepai got the stoppage win but Walker was using Lepai head as target practice for most of the fight.
Nathan, the question is how did Boystov gain his No.1 contender status when his most notable win was bore fest 12 rounder against long faded one time fringe contender Dominic Guinn…………and how did Lepai get to fight Boystov for mandatory challenger status when he got stopped by non puncher Kevin Johnson only a couple of years ago?
My issue is not with wlad he is an extremely skilled extremely athletic and physically imposing champ. Leapai was the problem. He was cannon fodder just like mormeck and pianetta. They all has zero chance. I did not watch the fight because i knew exactly what would happen. Hopefully we will get to see wlad face pulev and another top contender later in the year.Posted April 26, 2014 9:48 pm
good articlePosted April 26, 2014 9:28 pm
Badger, actually Moorer was a pretty skilled boxer, and at least he did beat a true champ to become heavyweight champ…….Lepai was way worse than Moorer ever was.Posted April 26, 2014 9:15 pm
@Know it all…. Leapai was not given much of chance by anyone, but he earned his shot by beating Boystov. Show a little respect.
Good article , teddy atlas has always been a klit hater. But I do agree that there’s no one to challenge him in this era. The only one who could of gave him the fight to show how good he really is was hid behind retirementPosted April 26, 2014 8:59 pm
Teddy Atlas is pathetic. Hes so jealous and never stops his mouth. He should fes up and give the great one his due. A textbook clinic and he used his skills to perfection. A applaud a tremendous champion.Posted April 26, 2014 8:53 pm
Know it all
ANOTHER sorry Australian got his ass kicked by an elite fighter. I won’t ever pay any attention to those bums until one of the beats a good fighter and not some has been or fat bum.Posted April 26, 2014 8:48 pm
Great article. Sums up the situation with the WBC belt too. If Don King gets his clutches on the WBC belt expect him to cling to it like grim death, which is not far off in his case.Posted April 26, 2014 8:48 pm
Awesome article Jason Peck. Great finish! you slayed it my man! keep it coming!Posted April 26, 2014 8:47 pm
A lot of the guys Assyrian mentioned would be better but they are not getting mandatory spots. People are dodging jennings so its hard for him to get his rank up. He is getting a good match in mike perez and should shine and stop him. Jennings is the best American right now if you ask me
We need sanctioning bodies to force the action of the top ten contenders or demote them in rank. We need sanctioning bodies to intervene and help foster and facilitate making the best matchups happen. This is not wlads fault. He has to satisfy his mandatory obligation. He has no influence on that and of course he is not dumping a title in the garbage because of the sanctioning bodies failures. Some people insinuating the match making is wlads fault need to pull their head out of their A$$Posted April 26, 2014 8:43 pm
Good article and good question, who isn’t a bum? When these fighters fight each other they look good, fight Wald and they look like Bums. What changed in the formula?Posted April 26, 2014 8:41 pm
Great work Wlad ! Another NO QUESTION WIN ! Another tittle defense . Lepai a BUM ? Then what does that make
Wlad beats any heavyweight in any country on any day, it doesn’t matter who you put in they are getting outboxed or KOdPosted April 26, 2014 8:32 pm
It’s not klitschkos fault he has skills I don’t see these dudes beating wladimir but somebody will crack his safe the problem is who.Posted April 26, 2014 8:31 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Magnificent article.Posted April 26, 2014 8:29 pm
For once a proper assessment of Klitscko and his challengers. Great article..Posted April 26, 2014 8:24 pm
Congratulations to Wladimir on a sweet win. Wlads Technique is so good now and has been for years its unreal.
Too bad a Don King goon is gonna get the WBC title. How sad. That title is gone for probably 3 years now.Posted April 26, 2014 8:20 pm