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Kubrat Pulev is sissy who is only jabing like the grandmather. Ariola and Chesora will let him down! Wlad will OK him in 1.

Posted May 3, 2014 2:09 am 


Mitt

A pack of loonies escaped from the asylum again.

Posted May 2, 2014 7:10 pm 


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ТАRK

Т-ТЕGАV, А-АВICI0ZЕN
, R-RЕSHIТЕLЕN, K-K0N > ТАRK !

Posted May 2, 2014 5:05 pm 


Anonymous

you mupppets should be on american television. lol.

Posted May 2, 2014 3:57 pm 


Anonymous

His bottom too, by the looks of it.

Posted May 2, 2014 3:53 pm 


Anonymous

Looks like TARK has his hands full then. LOL

Posted May 2, 2014 3:34 pm 


MORK

I am waiting to get under dear old TARK’S skin once again. Our motel room hasn’t been the same since we gave TARK a coffee enema, inserting a long, thick rubber tubing into his @nus after applying copious amounts of lubricant and then allowed three large pots of lukewarm coffee to cleanse his bowel contents, which were very interesting. TARK actually supplied his own lubricant he told me he swears by, called Miracle Oil. Apparently, he has shares in this and has practiced on his close circle of gentlemen and lady friends. To cut a long story short TARK asked for some jazz mags to help get him in the mood for some @n@l dirt mining, but it was only after we brought out the specials: Trout Fishing, Manny’s Hands Make Light Work, The Thurman Show and Call Me Lara that TARK started to get aroused and friendly. He informed me he was both open and loose and ready for some serious pot holing. it was awesome dude. First we did everything in the dark, but TARK insisted on wearing a light laser on an @r@b strap attached to his thr0bbing member and he started getting real wild and asked me to pretend I was his strength and conditioning coach, whatever that is. I’m eager to please and went with it and TARK asked me to pump his muscles and fluff his tush. Or it might be the other way round. All in all we spent 72 hours of real fun in that motel room, even calling out for pizza while TARK supplied the fizzy stuff. TARK, I have two really nice, big friends who wish to stretch you in ways you can only dream of. They will be able to give you as much strength and conditioning as you wish to take. Until next time. MORK.

Posted May 2, 2014 3:21 pm 


K2 Fan

D ; I think ” Ivan ” finally got it . He was so busy trying
to get under Tark’s skin , that he didn’t realize that @ was
yanking his chain his chain !

Posted May 2, 2014 9:21 am 


Fast Freddie

They’ll be watching Wladimir Klitschko you moron.

How many fans watched Mike Tyson get stopped by Kevin McBride? There’s your answer fruitcake. Nobody is interested in watching a doddering old Tyson so GTFO of here. You can go to youtube.com and watch a 1000 young guys fight for free. You don’t have to watch an old codger.

At least Tyson isn’t a charity case like Louis, Charles, and Frazier were.

Posted May 2, 2014 2:56 am 


Anonymous

Wlad is good at what he does. Problem is that if Tyson stages a comeback at the same time Wlad is making a defense, guess which fight will fans be watching?

Posted May 2, 2014 1:01 am 


Ivan the terrible

are you impugning my mental state or my emotional state?

Posted May 1, 2014 5:35 pm 


Anonymous

no I meant the whole thread is like kindergarten.

Posted May 1, 2014 5:26 pm 


Anonymous

Ivan, your mental illness is deepening by the hour. You’re apoplectic.

Posted May 1, 2014 3:28 pm 


Anonymous

tark get back on twitter.

Posted May 1, 2014 3:17 pm 


Ivan

TARK/Clueless
You asked about facts and after you got exposed again, (dancing, coaching at night, amateur boxing and really none of the above), insinuations is all you’ve got.
Boxing is cruel to pretenders like you in and out of the ring. Stop wriggling in frustration and helplessness, come clean about your false pretenses, try to be a fan.
Low-life mentality and mental illness should not be preventing you from enjoying the sport.

Posted May 1, 2014 3:00 pm 


Anonymous

i mean you have a kindergarten vocabulary ivan. check your posts

Posted May 1, 2014 2:54 pm 


Anonymous

like in kindergarten

Posted May 1, 2014 2:45 pm 


TARK

Anonymous/Ivan.., The stinkiest, least knowledgeable, and most mentally challenged person to ever make ignorant comments about the state of Boxing and it’s denizens … is you.

Posted May 1, 2014 2:11 pm 


Anonymous

Tark, it’s a crying shame people of your kind would like to be associated with boxing. Boxing has been a magnet for all kinds of dregs that want something out of it and you are stinking it up for free.

Posted May 1, 2014 11:43 am 


@

Ivаn, whаt аbаut clinch аnd jаbing from Pulеv?

Posted May 1, 2014 9:16 am 


Anonymous

Tark, it’s a crying shame that people like you are either disillusioned or coerced out of the game (weirdly, it’s usually at grassroots level. My friend in Sydney, Australia has said the same thing about the politics of the little league soccer, where he organised and ran several teams for players at junior level…. He sweated his guts and gave all his time to them, only to be the victim of petty jealousies, personal vendettas, people trying to usurp his authority and screw him over…Enough was enough and he quit last year and is now just a parent again)!
It appears this b.s. exists in all sports but is at it’s worst in the non-paid ranks!
I have no agendas against you and actually like most of your posts as a fellow follower of the sport. I remember reading that there was no sort of coherent plan in place for the Olympic squad, whereas as most other countries had their systems in place up to five, six years in advance. Our efforts seemed to have been an after thought and the involvement of Freddie Roach a marketing ploy.

Posted May 1, 2014 8:58 am 


D

anybody who puts “tink” and “big thanks” in a post is pulling your leg Ivan, lol

Posted May 1, 2014 5:27 am 


Ivan

@: No chance in an exchange but both boxers avoid exchanges, especially up close.
Pulev could survive beyond the middle rounds if he reverts to his amateur style – fast footwork off the toes and only counter punches including. A lot of body shots could buy him some time. There is no way for him to avoid the straight right of Klitschko for 12 rounds.

Posted May 1, 2014 5:13 am 


TARK

Ivan, see a psychiatrist.. If anybody needs psychoanalysis it’s you. Seriously.

Posted May 1, 2014 5:00 am 


@

Ivаn do you tink thаt Pulеv hаs good chаncе in dirеct punch еxchаngе аgаinst Wlаdimir.

Аnd whаt strаtеgу will work good for Pulеv whеn hе fight with Wlаdimir…..

Вig thаnks

Posted May 1, 2014 2:40 am 


Ivan

TARK/Clueless piles up arguments against himself:
“I took thousands of lessons and won many dance contests. It’s one of my favorite activities.”
“I was always involved with several other professions so the evening hours worked best for me.”- that’s how he trained boxers.
“I was the first trainer for some pros who are currently undefeated. The first time they ever pulled on a glove was to be coached by me. Their trainers still call me for advice on opponents, strategy, training tips, and general advice.”

It is time for a psychiatrist to do a pro bono service and diagnose TARK if he is on the loose. If not , his therapist may not like the way he uses multiple nicks and other poster’s names so he can argue with himself.

Tark shows too many feminine traits and reactions, hysteria and logorrhoea being most frequent among them.

What he has proved is that he has nothing to do with boxing, at least not in the real world.

Posted May 1, 2014 2:20 am 


Mongrel H@mster = Gonzo the Dragonqueer

This gay Euro white boy said he wants to ravage me from behind and is always talking about wrapping his lips around some guys c0ck. Innocent brothas are always getting falsely accused and locked up for the types of crimes this psycho commits. Why are so many white men sexual deviants, rapists and pedophiles? Don’t you sick bastards like women like normal men? Guess not. No wonder why most white girls can’t get enough of the BBC!

Posted May 1, 2014 12:14 am 


TARK

Adrian.., That sounds like a great method — because stance, guard, and basic footwork are so important to get exactly correct… Once they’re screwed up there’s no fixing them, so your coaches knew they had to get them right.

My method was more progressive. Stance, guard, and basic footwork for the first 2 weeks—working in some occasional punching technique with the focus pads, but just to get some balance, range, and agility going with the stance and guard. The jab and straight right with a lot of intense footwork for the next 2 weeks.. Work in hooks and uppercuts for the next 2 weeks. Work in body punching for the next 2 weeks.

Then 4 weeks of defense… defense… defense…with the focus pads — blocking, parrying, ducking, slipping, rolling, and countering — and then start them sparring… Two or three months of sparring and they’re ready for their first sub-novice fight.

Posted May 1, 2014 12:07 am 


Adrian

Tark ,as a fmr boxer and boxing coach myself I came from a Russian boxing school from fmr. Yugoslavia and our method of teaching the beginers is the GUARD and we don’t teach them anything else until the have the correct guard and stance then we move to teach them then proper movement of going forward and backwards until they learn to do it in a relaxed way , after that we teach them how to throw the left and right straights while going forward then backwards later etc …. But in our school of boxing we don’t give the beginners any gloves for the first 6 months no matter how good they get
That’s a strict rule because the first six months of training boxing for a boxer is the most important of their carrier because that is when they get their boxing style that will stay with their entire carrier , any improper teaching in that stage is going to be very very hard to improve it later on .

Posted April 30, 2014 9:11 pm 


TARK

Anonymous.., I got out of amateur boxing because of the petty politics, general corruption, judging changes, and rule changes in the US, and the consolidation of power. Other countries have stepped up massively and are kicking our butts because we haven’t stepped up our efforts to match theirs. We’ve wimped out. But I think internationally Boxing is doing better than ever, and it may rub off on us at some point. So I’m discouraged and encouraged at the same time.

Posted April 30, 2014 8:05 pm 


TARK

Bears.., I knew that was Idiot Ernie impersonating you.

He, Ivan, turbo hamster, and a couple other dingleberrys throw posts out there using other posters names; because they don’t have a life and that is the only charge they can get. poor fks.

Posted April 30, 2014 6:20 pm 


BEARS

TARK- that was not me i dont know who is posting under my name. Thats cool stuff u have done in terms of training. Dont get too worried about these haters some of these guys are just looking for material to use against ya.

Posted April 30, 2014 6:05 pm 


Anonymous

One question, Tark? Why didn’t the US Boxing team seek out your advice for the 2012 Olympics? I know they had input from Freddie Roach, but I couldn’t see how he could be a fit for amateur boxing. I know Manny Steward, RIP had good input in previous teams, but someone like you could have made a real impact. This Olympic squad and the Beijing squad was seriously lacking and to my eyes seemed to be a total shambles. Yep, we had a couple a bad decisions in London, but these games were straight up embarrassing. I would like to see a real input into the grass roots and for the team to have a set up like in other countries. What we have is straight up weak.

Posted April 30, 2014 5:47 pm 


Anonymous

Good on you, Tark. It’s like taking a blank canvas and creating a masterpiece. I think every trainer’s ultimate goal is to train a kid from scratch and take him to the very pinnacle of the sport. Failing that, sitting back to watch someone you started out in the game take the tools you gave them and hopefully add and hone them must be equally satisfying. It’s good to see Keith Thurman wearing his dead trainer’s name on his shorts. It’s given him extra drive to achieve.

Posted April 30, 2014 5:41 pm 


TARK

Did that too, but amateurs was my favorite thing. I was always involved with several other professions so the evening hours worked best for me. Taking a fresh kid with no bad habits and giving him a solid foundation and fundamentals was my deal. Getting him started with wins and watching him and his parents go crazy with joy. That always got me.

Posted April 30, 2014 4:32 pm 


Anonymous

So, you trained amateur fighters. No shame in that. You train any pros too?

Posted April 30, 2014 4:16 pm 


TARK

I was the first trainer for some pros who are currently undefeated. The first time they ever pulled on a glove was to be coached by me. Their trainers still call me for advice on opponents, strategy, training tips, and general advice.

Posted April 30, 2014 4:07 pm 


Anonymous

which fighters you train.LMAO.

Posted April 30, 2014 4:04 pm 


BEARS

Which fighters you train Tark?

Posted April 30, 2014 3:40 pm 


Anonymous

tark do you work in the white house.

Posted April 30, 2014 3:35 pm 


laj

I think one thing that all the posts seem to agree on, which has always been my argument is that the stoppage against Brewster had little or nothing to do with a chin issue. Wlad gassed for whatever reason, we will probably never know the exact reason. Many poisons can be used to have very short lifespan, and get dissolved quickly and others can’t be detected without a specific tests, so we will never know the full truth. My guess is he wasn’t poisoned, but that is IMHO, and not a fact. There is one correction though to some of the statements. His blood sugar was very high, so all blood test were not normal.

Posted April 30, 2014 3:32 pm 


TARK

Ivan, your opinion means nothing to me. It’s reactionary to my opinion of you, which couldn’t be lower.

You won’t debate facts, or try to find substance in an argument. Like most losers you attack the messenger. You’re like a gadfly attacking another religion or political party; like an Obama hater for example. You’re mindless.

You employ emotion without reason. You have no background in Boxing and don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about. On the other hand I was professionally involved with the industry for decades and know exactly what I’m talking about.

Posted April 30, 2014 3:17 pm 


PEEJ

Sorry but there is no proof. All the proof there is is Brewster taking a beating and Wlad running out of energy which is probably why he doesn’t exert himself like he did in that fight. He lost, there was no proof of any foul play. Never came up dirty for anything. There for he just lost. Everybody always looks for an excuse when they lose, they just can’t take the loss like you are supposed to and that is with dignity and acknowledge that you were beat by a better person that night

Posted April 30, 2014 2:45 pm 


Ivan

TARK, you are entitled to your opinions like everyone else. On the other hand, every time you express an opinion, you support the old saying: Ignorance is bliss.

If you insist that the anonymous poster with low-life behavior and attitude dubbed TARK must be perceived as boxing guru, who cares? What would the credentials be and so what if there are none? The credit that you don’t have depends on the contents of your posts, and they are dark and empty.

Posted April 30, 2014 1:44 pm 


TARK

PEEJ.., I’m just reporting what happened. How Wladimir felt super weak in the first Brewster fight, even in the first round. He hired several lawyers, including Judd Burstein, one of the best and most expensive criminal lawyers in the country, to get a federal investigation going into the circumstances surrounding his fight with Brewster, and why he felt so incredibly weak, and lost all his strength and energy so quickly.

The disappearance of his drug and urine samples has never been resolved. If you talk to Wladimir he is certain that he was drugged. He wouldn’t go to such lengths and expense if he wasn’t 100% certain he was robbed. He was offered a monetary settlement for the disappearance of the samples, but he was only interested in finding out what happened and who was involved. Apparently his opponents were better connected to important people within the criminal justice system than WK.

You can’t spend your life dealing with injustice. You have to move on. Wladimir did. In the 10 years since Wladimir has won all of his fights, and is still the world’s top heavyweight. He’s willing to wait until Judgment Day to achieve his vindication. He says “that seems like a long time off right now—but compared to eternity it’s actually a very short time. I’m a very patient man and everything takes time, more or less. I trust in God.”

Posted April 30, 2014 1:39 pm 


TARK

Ivan the Idiot says.., “If you were taught to move right when the opponent moves left, perhaps this was a dancing lesson. Tango and boxing are different things.” … LOL you oblivious moron.

Ivan, you likely never took a boxing or dancing lesson in your life; or a writing lesson apparently. You know little about any of these activities. I started dancing seriously in my 50’s. I took thousands of lessons and won many dance contests. It’s one of my favorite activities. It’s not only super fun, but helps keep anyone in perfect mental and physical condition. Beautiful women usually love to dance, so it’s a dynamite social tool.

But the footwork in boxing and dancing are poles apart. There’s little relationship.

People always marveled at how my boxers moved so well in their first sub-novice fight, like they’d been boxing for years. The first few weeks I concentrated on giving them a perfectly relaxed stance, guard, and the basic “boxer’s bounce” which isn’t a bounce at all, but two very quick steps in and out; how to change this rhythm up and circle sharply left or right out of it, while never crossing their feet; and basic footwork techniques like achieving the correct flex in their knees, drawing an opponent in, evading various attacks, and how to cut the ring off expertly. I always considered the mastery of stance and footwork to be one of the biggest separators between winners and losers.

Posted April 30, 2014 12:50 pm 


Anonymous

and a yank.

Posted April 30, 2014 12:07 pm 


Anonymous

Hauser is also bias and a hypocrite.

Posted April 30, 2014 11:36 am 


Anonymous

Mongrel H

Right I don`t know which idiot keeps trying to block my IP, but it`s pointless, I can use a proxy IP so don`t bother.

Anway TARK, no Scott wasn`t up when the ref would have said 10, which he doesn`t have to say according to BBBC rules under which the fight was fought. YOu simply will not accept facts.

Secondly, I don`t know who you are. YOu are choosing to be annonymous on the internet and have zero credentials.

Thomas Hauser however – we know exactly who he is, he` written numerous books, and is a member of the BWAA, which is not something easy to get into.
He actually makes the calls and investigates things – and here is what he found re Klitschko -Brewster secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/usa-boxing-news/boxing-isnt-easily-embarrassed-but-

I don`t even say this to downplay Wlad, I love the guy I have him, Vitali and Lewis as ATG top 3, but that isn`t a reason to make stuff up.

That is what kids do. Like in Kindergarten.
Posted April 30, 2014 4:53 am

Hauser is the same guy that wrote an article based on a rumor and never followed up and continued to dig deeper. Sorry but that was amateurish. I would expect that from a blogger.

Posted April 30, 2014 11:35 am 


PEEJ

And of course you are throwing out conspiracy theories saying his paper work at the hospital was missing, saying someone took his blood test. If that was really the case he would of taken another blood test. Funny how nothing showed up in the drug screening. You are just stretching for garbage to try and defend Wlad. Getting ridiculous with these conspiracy theories you come up with.

Posted April 30, 2014 10:16 am 


PEEJ

Tark – Well that is what he said, in his rule number 4 he said he incorrectly ruled it a knockdown. I clearly said I did not know about the fight that I didn’t remember. But I was merely pointing out what the rule is if a fighter is hit before the end of the bell. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before jumping in. I knew exactly what I was talking about and still do and you and the other idiot kept arguing that with me even though you said I was correct and everybody knew that. Obviously everybody doesn’t because that is what the idiot was saying. So you need to either not pop your little old head in the middle of something or know what the hell you are talking about.

Posted April 30, 2014 10:13 am 


Ivan

Clueless Tark, if you were taught to move right when the opponent moves left, perhaps this was a dancing lesson. Tango and boxing are different things, in boxing you get hit hard if you move like that. If you move the same way your opponent does, you are looking for a shortcut to wonderland (what was that?)
Comparing yourself to GGG and Kovalev as if they are on the same level with you is a symptom again, quoting great coaches to illustrate your delusions is a disgrace.
An anonymous nut case using multiple nicks to create the impression of boxing experience – TARK. Caught in your own web of false pretenses.

Posted April 30, 2014 9:01 am 


Mongrel H

Right I don`t know which idiot keeps trying to block my IP, but it`s pointless, I can use a proxy IP so don`t bother.

Anway TARK, no Scott wasn`t up when the ref would have said 10, which he doesn`t have to say according to BBBC rules under which the fight was fought. YOu simply will not accept facts.

Secondly, I don`t know who you are. YOu are choosing to be annonymous on the internet and have zero credentials.

Thomas Hauser however – we know exactly who he is, he` written numerous books, and is a member of the BWAA, which is not something easy to get into.
He actually makes the calls and investigates things – and here is what he found re Klitschko -Brewster secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/usa-boxing-news/boxing-isnt-easily-embarrassed-but-

I don`t even say this to downplay Wlad, I love the guy I have him, Vitali and Lewis as ATG top 3, but that isn`t a reason to make stuff up.

That is what kids do. Like in Kindergarten.

Posted April 30, 2014 4:53 am 


Mongrel Hamster

test

Posted April 30, 2014 4:48 am 


DMX

He’s Oder than 28
He is lying about his age , maybe he is on a dating website

Posted April 30, 2014 4:07 am 


Adrian

Tark , you remember ibrahimov right?
Well the fight was one of the most boring one fights ever and you know why ? Because ibrahimov was a good boxer that didn’t try to go inside because he knew it that would be the end of him , but unfortunately ibrahimov was small and didn’t punch hard to do much . I know what wlad do with his left but I am telling you that’s his weakest spot and the way
to fight him but you need to be a good tactician and not slow and flat footed like the likes of leap ai who btw I said before the fight that that fight was a joke. !

Posted April 30, 2014 4:07 am 


TARK

Wladimir Klitschko told SecondsOut on Tuesday: “Some people are going to say I am looking for excuses and that is why I was unsure about making this public until now. But, believe me, I am looking for answers and not excuses. I am 28 and my career in front of me but I don’t want whatever happened to me in the Brewster fight to happen again. So, I want to know exactly what was wrong with me to make me lose strength so quickly because I do not want that to happen again in my career.

“I never felt like that in all my years in boxing, I lost all strength almost immediately. In camp my condition was perfect, I was my best shape ever but in the second round I was fighting myself and not Brewster. I needed all my concentration just to throw simple combinations. It was unbelievable; it was so unusual. I was tired after one round, even more tired after two and by the start of round four I knew I had only minutes to win the fight because I had very little strength left.”
Reporter: “I heard your blood and urine samples were lost.”

The fighter went on: “I needed those samples to see if there was anything wrong with me, I was hoping to use those samples to find answers but instead they were destroyed.” …

“No way was I over trained,” insisted Klitschko. “The training was perfect. People close to me all said I was in the shape of my life. Listen, I had almost 200 amateur fights, I fought in the European Championships, World Championships and won the 1996 Olympic Games, I have had 45 professional fights and I know if I am over-trained. I know the difference between not having good preparation and this (awful) way I lost energy on April 10. It is a mystery I cannot explain.”

Posted April 30, 2014 3:33 am 


TARK

Adrian.., It’s more the left hook than the jab. You circle right and box with a very tall fighter who’s a very fast and solid 250lbs. He starts sharp shooting the straight shots and peppering you, so you start looking out even more for the right.

Big rights are shooting down on your head, and the left hook, 45, or left uppercut slips inside your guard.. You’re very wary of the right, but the left hand ices you.

Posted April 30, 2014 3:27 am 


Adrian

Tark , you know I mentioned use to box so I know all those basics that you said about about ” if you move to the right you can run into wlad jab” of course you can get hit by a jab but it all depends on what kind of a fighter he is , I said to do that you need to be fast and to try and make wlad out of position so he can’t throw a right or a combo 1-2 , wlad would then circle all the time in to his left side to try and be in a position to throw a right and when you come close to the ropes you need to step back fast and go left in to the midle of the ring , and here comes the opportunity to catch wlad if wlad decides to chase him and catch him with the right you can time klitchko and catch him before he even throws the punch or get slip inside his right . This was one trick and there are a lot but to put it in writing it’s hard .

But trying to work klitchkos body you can forget about it.

Posted April 30, 2014 3:02 am 


TARK

PEEJ, find out what you’re talking about before saying stuff like “your insinuating that since Wlad fell after the bell it’s not an official knockdown and Byrd wrongly said it was a knockdown. If he fell because of a punch then it was rightly ruled a knockdown.”

THE FACTS: Byrd didn’t rule it a knockdown… Byrd didn’t count over Wladimir or rule it a knockdown… Byrd explained he didn’t count or rule a knockdown because Brewster’s left hook landed after the bell.

Check it on YouTube.

Since Brewster hit Wladimir after the bell, it could have been ruled that an illegal punch stopped Wladimir. Byrd didn’t count over Wladimir because of the late punch—but as soon as Wadimir got up, between the 5th and 6th rounds, Byrd took one look at him and stopped the fight.

Posted April 30, 2014 2:55 am 


TARK

By Anthony Evans: An attorney for heavyweight Wladimir Klitschko has requested a Federal investigation into the circumstances surrounding his April 10 loss to Lamon Brewster in Las Vegas. Lawyer to the pugilists, Judd Bernstein, has written to the US Attorney’s office in Las Vegas calling for a probe into what he describes as “the highly suspicious events” surrounding his client’s fifth round vacant WBO title defeat.

Klitschko literally collapsed independent of any punches thrown by Brewster after the bell ended the fifth round and Bernstein states “it is our firm belief that there was some foul play involved” (see copy letter on US page). Bernstein requests the US Attorney office look into why so much money was bet on Brewster in the days leading up to the fight, why Wladimir’s blood and urine samples were destroyed despite his repeated requests that they be forwarded to Los Angles for further investigation. There is also an accusation that an ’unknown person’ was given an all-areas pass which should have been accredited to a member of the Klitschko camp.

Posted April 30, 2014 2:49 am 


TARK

Adrian.., The way WK has polished his style and form over the years. Remember, just like Floyd, he can afford great sparring and has excellent training facilities. You can’t key on his right; you run into his left hook if you circle right.

The way I was taught was the GGG, Kovalev way. If your opponent moves left, move right until you move him into the ropes. He has to move right or back then, so you attack. When he moves left again, you move right again, until you cut him off again. Within the context of that basic strategy you move back and box whenever you please. The thing is to control the ring space and where the fight is being fought. Floyd does this too. Most guys react instead of control.

One of the things that gives Wladimir an advantage is, heavyweights love to come to his camps. He’s getting stronger with each camp. This is the thing Steward always preached, “Never think you’re the finished product. There’s no such thing as a perfect prize fighter. A boxer is either getting better or he’s getting worse. You might have one fight where you think, ‘I hit on all cylinders tonight. This was the signature fight of my career.’ That’s the wrong way to think. It sows the seeds of defeat.. The thing is to be even better your next fight.. You can always look at your most perfect fight and say, ‘Why did I get hit with that punch? How did I miss that punch? Why was I out of position? Why did I bite on that feint?” Because you missed, and you got hit, if you fought anyone good.

So To beat Wladimir the way WK is today? A great body attack would help. A great jab, a lot of physical strength, and the ability to fire savage mid-range combinations. A heavyweight Gennady Golovkin. There’s no such animal of course, but failing that maybe Deontay Wilder can do something. He’s fast, powerful, and one Hell of a lot younger than WK.

Posted April 29, 2014 11:21 pm 


PEEJ

Read rule number four. Sure seems like your insinuating that since Wlad fell after the bell it’s not an official knockdown and Byrd wrongly said it was a knockdown. If he fell because of a punch then it was rightly ruled a knockdown

Posted April 29, 2014 10:48 pm 


PEEJ

Tark – read the post you talking nonsense. He said it dosnt count as a knockdown. I don’t have to relate it to any fight. It’s a rule in every fight unless the bell can save you. And that’s point I was making. Learn to read ya idiot

Posted April 29, 2014 10:45 pm 


sean patrick harrington

Thompson is not some chump.

Posted April 29, 2014 9:18 pm 


Adrian

That was a response to doc on his reply to tark.

Posted April 29, 2014 9:17 pm 


Adrian

@ Tark – I stand behind my points concerning Arreola. Big brother Vitali beat Arreola, because he (unlike Wlad) is a good counter-puncher, has more variety in his arsenal than a straight 1-2, can fight well off of the back foot, and basically likes to “fight”. Wlad on the other hand can not fight off of the back foot, and I feel that Arreola’s constant pressure (including body attack) would eventually get to Wlad, or at least make for an interesting fight. The future will only tell the truth, but what can be said for the present is that Arreola is by no means a human punching bag like Leapai.

I disagree doc.

Areola is tough but rember against wlad you can’t work his body because you either get hit coming in or you get clinched against wlad…. See the biggest mistake wlads opponents make is thinking they can go inside klitchko throwing Wilde punches on top that never land or trying to get inside without throwing at all then hoping that they can work the body that’s totally wrong formula against wlad that never works that it showed us over and over again .
Areola would get beaten worse by wlad then he did by vitally simply for one reason , he will never avoid wlad’s jab , areola was put down by walker who clearly lost a fight because he was spent trying to finish areola and you can tell he wasn’t prepared at all .

The best chances against wlad would have the boxer who is fast and with a good boxing technic that uses the right strategy against him ,the way to fight klitchko is to always neutralize his right punch which is by moving around klitchkos left and going in and out only around his left side while throwing but only when klitchko can’t
throw the right punch …

Posted April 29, 2014 9:16 pm 


BEARS

fury would not fight thompson goes and picks chisora. thompson would be a pretty big step up for both wilder and jennings. HUGE for wilder. bigger step than perez. thompsons boxing is a very good litmus test. old dude can box and has a style that would make fury very uncomfortable and jennings and wilder uncomfortable too. thompson actually box and relies on his boxing. his technique is far supperior to tyson furys. i think chisora might drag tyson to the depths. tysons stamina has been looking a little suspect to me. his accuracy as well. he had to grab and hold cunningham in place to land his stoppage shots and the embaraassing shot cunning dropped him with OMG dude. that punch was so telegraphed, so looping , and from so far away i still cant believe he did not see it. i swear cunning started winding up for that punch 5 seconds before it landed at least it seemed that way

Posted April 29, 2014 9:16 pm 


laj

You may not care for Thompson, but he is a proven commodity that will give us a better idea of where these two are. Personally I see Jennings beating wilder at this time, but in the future I think Wilder may be the better fighter.

Posted April 29, 2014 8:52 pm 


sean patrick harrington

Bears. Agree with you wilder and jennings are the best american heavies right now

Posted April 29, 2014 8:41 pm 


sean patrick harrington

Wlad is ready for all comers.

Posted April 29, 2014 8:39 pm 


sean patrick harrington

Thanks lion king appreciate it. Been kickboxing and body buikding since college so i have some experience. Peej had me fooled saying he is hispanic and some other ethnicity. Clearly he is full shyt

Posted April 29, 2014 8:38 pm 


TARK

I don’t care for Thompson… I want Wilder vs Jennings.

Put the winner against Wladimir. Let’s get some great fights going.

Posted April 29, 2014 8:24 pm 


laj

Wilder or Jennings against Thompson if we really want to see where they are. I would pick them to beat Thompson at this point, but at least it is a yardstick that is fairly well known.

Posted April 29, 2014 8:13 pm 


BEARS

oh alright. well sounds like wilder should step it up a little bit and then fight wlad then. unless the object in boxing is not fighting the best but path of least resistance to collecting money. I would like to see wilder in some matchups that would make one want to watch.

He is a good prospect and i have been reluctant to call him the best american before jennings but theres a good chance he is the best american. and i know that.

Posted April 29, 2014 7:53 pm 


TARK

BEARS.., “TARK- I thought emanuel steward was saying they had to get wilder out because he could not hold up in sparring and got hurt.”

You may have read that. Steward didn’t say that. I’ll tell you why.

Johnaton Banks was Wladimir’s trainer for the Mariusz Wach fight, a 6’7.5″ heavyweight…and Banks brought in Wilder.. Wlad liked Wilder for sparring and said he did a great job, especially that Deontay had a lot of speed with Wladimir liked about him.

Steward was either dying or dead when Wladimir was training for Wach — so I don’t think he had an opinion about it.

Posted April 29, 2014 7:49 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

sean patrick harrington:

Now you’re seeing the light, brother. PEEJ is NOT your brother or your friend. He’s one of the most vile and belligerent black-power racists to ever hit this website. You seem like a recent newcomer, and knowledgeable fight fan, so I welcome you to the ESB community. C’ead Mile Failte!

Posted April 29, 2014 7:24 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Why has PEEJ worn a mustache & goatee for well over a decade and never once shaved it off???

To cover all the stretch marks surrounding his over-sized p0le h0le…LMAO!

Posted April 29, 2014 7:17 pm 


sean patrick harrington

Peej you said blacks are better than all other races. That is racism. You have no bussiness calling anyone else racist.

Posted April 29, 2014 7:13 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“PEEJ can’t bring it Squared Circle… He’s fkd up a dk.. LOL”

That’s exactly right, TARK and BEARS! The guy has a walnut sized 20-watt light bulb for a brain. A true dim-witted mental midget if I’ve come across one. You can tell by the belligerent way he loves go to WAR during these arguments without having any REAL FACTS in his corner. I encountered better competition when I was on debate team in 7th & 8th grade…LOL.

Posted April 29, 2014 7:09 pm 


sean patrick harrington

Wlad did not go down in yhe 1st brewster fight from a punch. It was fatigue. Plus wlad kicked brewsters ass in the rematch.

Posted April 29, 2014 7:08 pm 


BEARS

TARK- I thought emanuel steward was saying they had to get wilder out because he could not hold up in sparring and got hurt.

Posted April 29, 2014 6:57 pm 


BEARS

when i was talking about jennings technique being the best below i was referring to amongst americans. There are not many pro boxers who have wlads A+ technique but there are some.

Posted April 29, 2014 6:56 pm 


BEARS

I just went through this thread reading PEEJ posts. What is this clown doing on klitschKO threads especially since as he points out below in the post of his I copied and pasted that “he does not like the klitschkos”????

Peej goes on to say there is no proof of his racism. Of course there is. PEEJ cannot tell us about all the white fighters he likes, and in detail why he likes them. From history and to now. He can furnish a bogus top ten list filled with all blacks going back almost to 1900 but he cant mention a single white fighter he likes and why let alone many. dudes a phuk head with nothing to offer. just go down the thread and read all of his substanceless posts.

I just get a kick out of people saying I am a racist because I am a Floyd and Ward fan and when I pick them to win I am being racist. Or the simple fact that I dislike the Klitchkos. Yes they are great fighters and the greatest heavies of their generation but they are not the greatest. That is not being racist that is being factual. I never bring up race when I speak about boxers. And when I ask for proof they can’t come up with anything.

Posted April 29, 2014 6:49 pm 


TARK

PEEJ can’t bring it Squared Circle… He’s fkd up a dk.. LOL

Posted April 29, 2014 6:41 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“He said if you get hit before the end of the bell and fall after it is not a knockdown.”

I certainly did NOT say that you compulsive lying POS! Please point out exactly where I said, “if you get hit before the end of the bell and fall after it is not a knockdown.” When you directly quote me, be sure to include the date & time stamp to validate your argument. Bring the noise, MFer!

Posted April 29, 2014 6:27 pm 


TARK

And you don’t go by ANYTHING other than the referee’s count… Otherwise Buster Douglas was out against Tyson… He had a slow counting referee and took advantage of it…which is prefectly legal… But if the referee says “NINE.. and immediately you’re up before he says anything else, you beat his count of 10.

Posted April 29, 2014 6:05 pm 


TARK

It doesn’t make any sense unless you’re relating it to a fight… Everyone knows that if you hit somebody before the bell sounds, and he goes down, it’s a knockdown.. That’s like saying the sky is blue.. It’s not news.. We’re talking about a punch that landed AFTER the bell..

Posted April 29, 2014 5:48 pm 


Mongrel H@mster

TARK will argue against demonstrable facts.

He still argues Scott wasn`t down for 10 vs CHisora.

It`s mad because the evidence is there. YOu can look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWBA_S07Ue4

See Scott was down at 9:59, then go to 10:09-10:10 and he is still in the act of rising.

It`s right there and TARK will argue against it because he is unable to process information. He`s probably a bit autistic.

Posted April 29, 2014 5:46 pm 


PEEJ

Tark you obviously didn’t read my post. I wasn’t talking about the Wlad fight. He said if you get hit before the end of the bell and fall after it is not a knockdown. That is not true. If you get hit before the end of the round and fall after the bell then it is a knockdown. I argue points that aren’t true. Why do you argue every little thing? Especially when you don’t know the facts. All you have to do is read

Posted April 29, 2014 5:36 pm 


wes

boxrec said klitschko was not rule a knockdown.

Posted April 29, 2014 5:13 pm 


TARK

Wladimir got hit AFTER the bell PEEJ

That’s why referee Robert Byrd said he didn’t count.. He said, “The punch landed after the bell so it wasn’t a legal punch. That’s why I didn’t count.” That was in response to the Brewster people who asked him why he didn’t count.

Why do you have to argue every little thing when you don’t know the facts???

Posted April 29, 2014 5:09 pm 


TARK

PEEJ…, That’s not true.

Posted April 29, 2014 5:05 pm 


PEEJ

You can call me racist all you want but until you provide something I said that was racist it just makes you a lying little BTICH

Posted April 29, 2014 5:02 pm 


PEEJ

You said if you get hit before the bell and fall after the bell it is not a knockdown. I am telling you it is. You fell due to the cause of a punch. So it is a knockdown. I could care less what happened in the fight. Does not change the fact that if you are hit with a legal punch before the end of the round and you fall after the bell rings, then you are knocked down and the ref will count. Thus you can’t be saved by the bell.

Posted April 29, 2014 5:02 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“And again no if you get hit with a punch before the bell sounds and you fall after the bell then it is a knockdown…I have no clue when the punch landed or even if Wlad was knocked down by Brewster. I don’t remember the fight.”

You just admitted that you have no idea what happened in that fight because you don’t remember. So why on earth are you here arguing every single issue with TARK and I (who’ve recently and extensively studied the the whole fight in slow motion) when you don’t even remember it??? Because you’re nothing but racist @-h0le who loves to argue with us. That’s why.

Posted April 29, 2014 4:50 pm 


PEEJ

Sorry Tark I don’t think anything was missing. Never heard of that going on. If so there would of been some legal action taken if there were medical records missing and blood test missing. That would be a major issue especially at a hospital. All his test came back normal.

Posted April 29, 2014 4:37 pm 


PEEJ

Once again no most refs do not stop the fight after the 2nd knockdown, maybe the 3rd but not the 2nd. It also depends on how hurt he was. And again no if you get hit with a punch before the bell sounds and you fall after the bell then it is a knockdown. You are changing the story up a bit also. I have no clue when the punch landed or even if Wlad was knocked down by Brewster. I don’t remember the fight. But now you are saying the punch came after the bell. If that is what happened then of course they did not count it as a knockdown. The punch came after the bell. So you are wrong Fake Talk

Posted April 29, 2014 4:36 pm 


TARK

Squared Circle…, “The 5th round was officially OVER and the bell had already rung before Wlad bounced off the ropes, stumbled forward and tripped to the mat. He took his time getting up because the round was over.”

Wladimir took his time getting up because he was drugged half to death.. He could barely move or walk.. When he finally got up he was in a horrible way. Byrd waved the fight off and Wladimir stumbled to his corner. Wladimir was out of it until the next day.

When Wladimir finally came out of his stupor his blood work was missing. Records and tests were removed from the hospital by somebody. It was a damned sophisticated drugging and robbery. Brewster was complaining in his corner from the beating he was getting, but they told him Wladimir would never make it 2 more rounds … How did they know?

Brewster had a super tough chin at that time. They knew he wasn’t going out unless from a perfect punch.

The suspect agent for the drug was the Vaseline that Joe Souza rubbed on Wladimir before the fight. As soon as he got a lot rubbed up the gamblers made their late bets.

Jim Lampley on the air.., “There’s been a massive amount of money bet on Lamon Brewster, that is dramatically moving the odds in an unprecedented way, just before fight time.”

An argument can be made that since Brewster hit Wladimir after the bell, WK should have won by DQ. They usually don’t do that for a late hit… but it does happen if somebody doesn’t want somebody to win. Commissions change results when they want to.

Posted April 29, 2014 4:31 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Sorry but if you get hit with a punch before the bell sounds and you fall after the bell sounds. That is a knockdown and will be counted as a knockdown. And no most refs do not stop a fight after a 2nd knockdown in a round unless the fighter looks like he can’t defend themselves.”

Sorry, but you’re absolutely WRONG about that BEE-J. It was total exhaustion, combined with a punch Brewster landed AFTER the bell, that caused Wlad to stumble and trip to the canvas after the round was over. So no, that is NOT a legit knockdown.

And yes, most refs will stop a fight after the second knockdown — especially when the fighter is badly hurt and can barely get to his feet before the count of 10. Brewster was BADLY hurt and couldn’t get to his feet until 9 or 10. (Yet another coincidence: Byrd was slow to start the count.) Even then, Brewster was staggering around on rubber legs. Jim Lampley said at that point, “And Brester has no legs!”
Go back and watch the fight a few more times, you lazy s@ck of sh*t.

Posted April 29, 2014 4:28 pm 


PEEJ

Cause the punch was ruled to be after the bell.

Posted April 29, 2014 4:19 pm 


wes

tua was knock down a split second after the round and it was not rule a knockdown. klitschko went down tripping over the ref feet not by a punch.

Posted April 29, 2014 4:07 pm 


PEEJ

his experiment proved absolutely nothing. Just made accusations with no proof. So basically he is a liar. lol

Posted April 29, 2014 3:42 pm 


Big Boy’s Big Mama

Big Boy
you have already offended me on your various posts and have proven yourself to be both a bully and a racist.
I’m still laughing at you saying people are calling Wlad and his brother as bums. That’s the biggest laugh I’ve had in ages. I can’t change the fact that you are a racist, but I can stand up to you and btw still no proof from you of people calling Wlad a bum. Like I said, that’s crazy talk!

Posted April 29, 2014 3:40 pm 


PEEJ

Sorry but if you get hit with a punch before the bell sounds and you fall after the bell sounds. That is a knockdown and will be counted as a knockdown. And no most refs do not stop a fight after a 2nd knockdown in a round unless the fighter looks like he can’t defend themselves.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:40 pm 


big boy

Guess what big boy is eric
! yes it’s me.

My sociology exposing experiment is finished for today.

God bless to all my brothers and sister’s that love boxing and belive that all human beings are created = in general.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:39 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

I have absolutely no problem accepting the fact that Wlad lost his first fight to Brewster. He LOST. It is recorded as a loss on his record, and I’m perfectly fine with that. But that does not change the following facts surrounding the fight:

1) Wlad knocked Brewster down TWICE in the 4th, but the ref wrongly ruled the first knock down as a slip. Most refs would’ve stopped the fight after that second knockdown.
2) Brewster NEVER once knocked Wlad down.
3) The 5th round was officially OVER and the bell had already rung before Wlad bounced off the ropes, stumbled forward and tripped to the mat. He took his time getting up because the round was over.
4) Even though the round was clearly over before Wlad fell (NOT an official knockdown), Byrd wrongly ruled it a knockdown and prematurely stopped the fight.

Of course Wlad lost, but if you know much about boxing…that was horrible officiating on the part of the ref. Horrible officiating bordering on incompetence or corruption. Would having a different ref in there changed the outcome of the fight? You may not think so, but we’ll really never know the answer to that question.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:31 pm 


big boy

Your goal is to get me mad enuf and hope I say something to your liking, and that being racist lol, weak.

You think I don’t know your angle, boy.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:29 pm 


big boy

Big boys momma= peej which = prince.

A cover for a racist pile of poo

Posted April 29, 2014 3:26 pm 


big boy

I said nothing racist, keep texting your proving my point.

It’s horrifying your making fun of people that are less fortunate, that may live in a trailer park, how come you didn’t make fun of those in the innercity ?

I don’t recommend making fun of poor Africa Americans in poverty stricken projects or the white people your racist are referencing in trailer parks.

The more you speak, the more you prove my point that your a racist coward.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:24 pm 


Big Boy’s Big Mama

My first post to you was to question your idiotic post, saying people called Wlad a bum! You came back with insults and then racial slurs. I repeat no one has ever called the K brothers bums. You couldn’t prove it, so resorted to insults. I stand up for myself and as a bully, you couldn’t take it.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:24 pm 


big boy

I’m done with the hate, you sad little men can have the last word so you feel like you won something, I’m a big man, that’s confident and honest and not afraid to let you get the last word.

Just as Obama said just let the racist keep chatting and they show their true colors, ofcourse you can not see it because more than likely all of your friends are racist and ignorant alongside of yourself, so your mostly hopeless.

Have a nice day.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:18 pm 


Big Boy’s Big Mama

BTW. Stop being Bears’ piece you a hole. Typical bully, you like to gang up on others and then cry wolf when you get caught out. Why don’t you worry more about whether you can pay this month’s rent on your trailer park? That’s more your intellectual level.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:18 pm 


Big Boy’s Big Mama

No Big Boy. It is typical racist talk to lump people together and your term of you people is as bad as it gets. Why not put your KKK mask on in public and have the guts to show your true self in public to us people who will see your own hatred for what it really is. Big Boy aka Mr. KKK

Posted April 29, 2014 3:15 pm 


big boy

I cannot help, your not intelligent enuf to understand my post but I m not surprised at all, a caveman like yourself just can’t see the truth when it smacks them in the face.

Ignorance, there’s no excuse for that.

I feel sorry for you loooooooooser’s, not hate.

Sad.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:09 pm 


big boy

Yes peej, you provoke bear’s, that’s what happens when you instigate fights and problems.

Your racism is thinly vailed and carefully worded and then pumped up until you get the reaction your looking for.

Bear’s words are not carefully thought out like your because he has no secret motives and isn’t trying to race bait like you do.

We know how you really feel, and know your not a leader but a follower that has insecure identity issue about who you are.

You can’t be what your not peej, be yourself your very insecure.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:02 pm 


TARK

Ivan you’re delusional. You’re a joke. You’re full of BS. You refuse to learn.

Posted April 29, 2014 2:59 pm 


Big Boy’s Big Mama

Big Boy, please can you clarify what you mean by
“Your tactic’s and your supporters are without Merritt.

The spin zone never ends with you people.”

WTF does you people mean?

Posted April 29, 2014 2:58 pm 


big boy

Doc, it appears your projection is bias and hypocritical at best.

Your tactic’s and your supporters are without Merritt.

The spin zone never ends with you people.

I’m confident you and your crew could try to make mother Theresa out to be a villain to uneducated simple minded folks when infact everything you guy’s say about me is what you truly are.

It’s like the good ol boy’s club.

Posted April 29, 2014 2:52 pm 


sean patrick harrington

Im sick of the racist crap from my brother peej or so i thought he was and bears. Shut the f up with the color crap. The obama affect is awful in america

Posted April 29, 2014 2:39 pm 


SweetSciGuru

The Klitschko bros are ATG 10, no doubt about it.

Posted April 29, 2014 2:18 pm 


Ivan

The most NOT loyal reader TARK: The only thing you’ve stamped out is your own ineptitude and inability to maintain focus and integrity. Boxing is a mystery to you. You act as if the article is about you and your delusions, you should be ignored.

The thing is, you’ve made more comments on my articles than anyone else, you spend more time commenting than I spend writing an article. So much for being NOT loyal, hares are usually very loyal and reliable.

Posted April 29, 2014 2:05 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah I was done with him after that last post. I just get a kick out of people saying I am a racist because I am a Floyd and Ward fan and when I pick them to win I am being racist. Or the simple fact that I dislike the Klitchkos. Yes they are great fighters and the greatest heavies of their generation but they are not the greatest. That is not being racist that is being factual. I never bring up race when I speak about boxers. And when I ask for proof they can’t come up with anything. Just ridiculous.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:56 pm 


Big Boy’s Big Mama

DOC, Big Boy comes across as a bully and I always front out bullies. He thinks he has the parameters of a debate and tries to slap people down if they disagree with him.
You’re right, we shouldn’t debate with bullies, but by doing so we expose them!

Posted April 29, 2014 1:55 pm 


TARK

Ivan.., I’m NOT a loyal reader. I just try to stamp out misinformation.

Your stuff is comedy only… I marvel at your ineptitude and make fun of it.. I’m a teacher at heart and I try my best to reach the most ignorant cases.. You’re setting new records for being an ignoramus so it’s a very tough job to educate you.

I never said Wladimir wasn’t stopped 3 times. My point is, unlike many soft chinned heavyweights, of which WK isn’t, contrary to popular opinion in the United States, he’s never been sent to dreamland a single time … although he was drugged in one fight.

Oh BTW… Dreamland is another phrase for “Wonderland.” Just in case you’re as slow as usual. It also means getting KTFO—which never happened to Wladimir.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:51 pm 


doc

@ PEEJ – Please don’t waste any more time debating with “big boy”. In psychological terms we would call him a “projectionist”: which basically means someone who projects his own inner feelings upon others. This a boxing site guys, let’s keep it that way…..

Posted April 29, 2014 1:49 pm 


Big Boy’s Big Mama

Big Boy. Like the person said below, Big Boy has all the M.O. Of a bully. This tool thinks he can decide who can or cannot be part of a debate. No one has called the K brothers bums! That’s totally ridiculous. Prove it. The debate has always been where is there position in the ATG rankings.
How on earth can you rate a so-called bum? Your logic is crazy!

Posted April 29, 2014 1:45 pm 


PEEJ

So out of frustration Bears gets racist. lol. So when he gets frustrated he shows his true colors. lol

Posted April 29, 2014 1:45 pm 


PEEJ

Once again you say facts are out there but yet can’t show any proof of me saying anything remotely racist. You claim I am racist against white people, I could care less what color anybody is and on top of that I am white. But I consider myself American meaning I could care less about your color. So you are in the same league as Bears since you say you are both alike. Your words not mine

Posted April 29, 2014 1:44 pm 


Anonymous

Ivan. All jokes aside. If Tark is really as great as he is, he would have been paid king’s ransoms and would have had long lines of boxers begging him to train them. I take it he would have been active during the 60’s through to the 90’s and perhaps beyond. He would have rubbed shoulders with George Benton, Angelo Dundee, Gil Clancy, Ray Arcel and the like. Anyone know or been trained by Tark?

Posted April 29, 2014 1:41 pm 


big boy

You saying “NO-ONE” Has ever called the klitschko a bum is crazy.

How could you tell a blanton lie that’s so obviously untrue it makes bigfoot hunting credible.

Your out of the debate 100% by losing all credibility.

Nobody wants to debate with one who lies and exaggerate’s.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:40 pm 


Anonymous

Top 10 HW Great for sure.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:39 pm 


big boy

Bears choices of word’s is out of pure frustration, i’ve noticed that bear’s is ONLY A COUNTER PUNCHER, when the likes of racist like peej and prince stir the pot.

I’ve never heard bear’s say anything about anyone unless he’s in defensive, mode trying to counter bias supremacy comments.

If ignorant racist like you didn’t make the statement s that you make in the first place I strongly belive we would never see any angered boxing fan’s like bear’s but honest fair balanced boxing commentary.

Bear is only a COUNTER puncher from what i’ve seen.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:34 pm 


Author

TARK aka Clueless:
You are insinuating again (anonymous isn’t me), quote me when I wrote Wlad was KTFOed? Or even KOed? His record is public, what argument could there be about his TKO losses?

You have made so many “friends” that you are seeing ghosts, people just don’t want to engage in debilitating nonsensical discussions with you so they nab you anonymously. I reply because you are a loyal reader.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:33 pm 


Big Boy’s Big Mama

Big Boy. Mama’s little sprog. No one has ever called the Klits bums! That’s crazy talk. Every decent boxing person has them right up there in the mix in the Top Ten. The debate has always been are they or should they be in the top three?

Posted April 29, 2014 1:32 pm 


big boy

No peej you are, grow up and be a man.
Your not going to get me into your sick world of hate.
Your a terrible human being that confused about who you are, nobody likes a racist jerk like you, it’s disgusting.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:25 pm 


Ivan

@: Pulev is not a big or a “volume” puncher, he conserves energy and plays with range and position to outlast opponents. He often uses the opponent’s own weight when he times him with the jab while the opp. is going forward.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:22 pm 


TARK

Look Ivan…AKA Anonymous…, Getting stopped isn’t making a “Trip to Wonderland” you willfully ignorant nutcase.

WK was down 4 times versus Peter and Williamson… But wasn’t hurt at all by punches in those 2 fights… Every Heavyweight Champion has been knocked down except for Vitali Klitschko and Oliver McCall. McCall never had a single successful title defense — so he didn’t fight that many challengers who were a threat to knock him down.

Getting knocked down and getting KTFO are 2 different things. You might recover from a knockdown very quickly. You may not be able to recover from a hard and accurate punch that DOESN’T knock you down. Get it?

Trying screwing your head on straight for a change, ignoramus.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:20 pm 


big boy

Here’s my thoughts on klitschko.

Is there any of the top heavyweights right now able to duplicate the last 10 year’s of wlad… career ?

Could fury, areola, jennings, either price, seth, wilder, kubrat, beat and dominant all klitschko’s past opponent’s and stay undefeated for 10 year’s without barley losing a round ?

The answer is no.

So when writers and boxing fans say klitschko is a bum, remember, that there is no way, even in a so called weak era, any bum or even a really good fighter could have dominated 10 year’s without a single loss.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:20 pm 


Ivan

Anonymous: TARK has been busted so many times as an impostor and a lame liar that I am beginning to pity him. It’s useless to discuss him, he will start insinuating and embarrassing himself with low-life behavior. If it were true that he had 50 years of coaching experience, he should be well over 70 years old and senior citizens would be entitled to some peace and quiet.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:17 pm 


@

Ivаn, is Kubrаt Pulеv а big punchеr or morе likе volumе punchеr??
Тhаnks

Posted April 29, 2014 1:15 pm 


PEEJ

So basically you are the one that is racist. You say you and Bears are a lot alike. Bears is constantly posting how whites are better and uses the Klits as proof. I never say anything of the sort. So basically you can’t provide any facts, just your racist opinion. You go ahead and do you that is cool. Just keep in mind you are a racist BTICH

Posted April 29, 2014 1:14 pm 


Big Boy’s Big Mama

Facts are in and it’s clear Big Boy is a bully.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:11 pm 


Anonymous

Allegedly trained.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:09 pm 


Anonymous

Ivan

Any chance you can do some digging and find out who Tark is supposed to have trained to world titles? He has 50 years in the business and hates Hagler, Ali, Hearns with a passion.
I think it’s only fair that we can dissect the boxers he supposedly trained to world titles.
Tark likes to denigrate others, well it’s high time he was brought to account over the guys he alledly trained.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:08 pm 


big boy

This discussion is over, the facts are in and it’s widely known your racist and a race hussler.

You will try and bait me into saying something, anything that you can twist into an AL Sharpton moment.

That’s your problem to fix, peej, shame on you, you really need to ask yourself, how that being a racist will make your life and those around better off.

You can lie to yourself all you want, but it doesn’t fix your ignorant behavior.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:06 pm 


Anonymous

tard, sorry, TARK, if you don’t believe this author’s claim that W. Klit has been TKOed three times, consult a trusted record book. Perhaps Klit was drugged three times by Keyser Soze? He went down about 11 times in his career, was he just knocking on the door of wonderland? 11 times?

Posted April 29, 2014 1:00 pm 


PEEJ

And please let me know any racist remarks I have said.

Posted April 29, 2014 12:56 pm 


PEEJ

So if you ard Bears are a lot alike then you are a racist. Explain to me how I am a racist? Or are you gonna be like the rest when challenged and just say shut up

Posted April 29, 2014 12:55 pm 


big boy

Peej is without question a racist, his thinly Vailed mask is easy to see thru.
Peej occasional bland and mild “I like froch or triple G” is just an attempt to cover up his racism.

Guy’s like bears is a lot like me, we hate racist and their propaganda and look at them as a thorn in our side and occasionally get frustrated.

Bear’s comments aren’t racist, he’s calling out racist and exposing their true thoughts.

There are double standards and i’ve proven it in the past on other boxing sites, by me posting the exact same comments of racist, just flipping the script “comming from a white guy” and every time I got called a racist by saying the exact same thing a guy like prince or peej said that got a pass.

On ESB these clowns have been called out by multiple posters that their undercover racist or racist and don’t relize it, when multiple fans see the same exact thing you cant explain that away.

Posted April 29, 2014 12:51 pm 


Author

tark: A trip to wonderland isn’t an invention and your psychotic confusion isn’t a definition. What do you know about boxers anyway? Alice went to wonderland, the more I am looking for sense in your comments the more it isn’t there.

Posted April 29, 2014 12:47 pm 


TARK

@ Ivan the idiot.., A trip to wonderland isn’t your invention. That was Jimmy Breslin’s phrase making. It means getting KTFO.

Trips to Wonderland happen frequently to boxers.. It happened to Lewis, Pacquiao, Williams, Brock, Chambers, Liakhovich, Cunningham, Jones, etc… It hasn’t happened 3 times to Wladimir you simple idiot.

Posted April 29, 2014 12:39 pm 


Anonymous

Henry miller

“Please no ignorant political comments on the Ukraine. The situation there is not what you are told in your media.”

When we see scumbag Ruskies beating innocent civilian Ukrainians and the so-called riot police/army in full gear returning to barracks without engaging or stopping these scumbag Ruskies, beating civilians with poles. Then, yes, our eyes do deceive us.
We’ll still be sitting, watching and doing nothing as that short Rse Putin, invades any other country he chooses and tyen drops the bomb on us!

Posted April 29, 2014 12:22 pm 


Lennox

Vitali was a handful for me. I didn’t want a rematch, truth. Both Klitschkos are great and you gotta earn a shot against THE Man : Wladimir is THE Man.

Posted April 29, 2014 12:20 pm 


Ivan

Coach Tim, Alben Belinski had just arrived at Universum box promotion and the sparring session was like a test for him. He decided to impress people and took advantage of the young and very naive at the time younger Klit. He paid the full price later on against Vitali.

Posted April 29, 2014 12:15 pm 


Ivan

Clueless and stubborn TARK, he made more than three trips. By the way, what do you mean by a trip to wonderland? Define it, nut case ignoramus.. Do you know what sport are we discussing, did your therapist explain it to you?

Posted April 29, 2014 12:11 pm 


Coach Tim

Ivan and his “rogue sparring partners” named Belinsky

LOL

Posted April 29, 2014 12:02 pm 


TARK

Ivan.., Wladimir didn’t take 3 trips to Wonderland you ignorant jerkoff. That’s why you wrote.

And you said, “A clean 10 count KO can do less harm than several knockdowns in a row. You are so clueless it’s hopeless.” … LMFAO at your stupidity Ivanov.

A KO from a headshot is worse you dumb bunny… It does more damage than a knockdown. And a beating over 12 rounds can even be worse than a series of knockdowns, and Wladimir has never had that experience.

You don’t know WTF you’re talking about Stupid.

Posted April 29, 2014 11:54 am 


Anonymous

keep the hw circus rolling.

Posted April 29, 2014 11:13 am 


Ivan

Clueless TARK quotes and bubbles: ““Most boxers would be considered damaged goods after three trips to wonderland.”…He didn’t make 3 trips to wonderland. He was on his feet …… walking towards the referee.”
No he didn’t make 3, there were more. He has been stopped in sparring as well, in one particular instance a journey man by the name of Belinsky (ex kick boxer) took Wlad out with a liver shot. This got him an official rendezvous with Big Brother Vitali who promptly avenged the infraction of the rogue sparring partner.

As I explained to you knockdown after knockdown in a row can do moire harm physical and mental than a clean KO.

In the article I wrote that he has not been KOed deep and stoppages were far apart. This is the reason he may not have suffered the full consequence. Obviously you agree since you give the circumstances of his ‘non-stoppages” although you have misunderstood almost every detail. You can’t even plagiarize correctly, all you had to do was keep quoting without your own nonsense.

I can appreciate aspects of Wlad’s boxing ability that you do not know to exist but he is not Superman, he is just one of the greatest heavy champs and he is still going strong.

Posted April 29, 2014 11:13 am 


TARK

Anonymous says.., “There are far better and more significant fights for Arreola than matching him with Boytsov. After Stiverne, the targets should be Jennings, Thompson, Fury and Wilder.”

Are you trying to get Arreola killed???

doc says.., “Arreola is by no means a human punching bag like Leapai.”

Yes he IS!!! That’s exactly what he is.

Posted April 29, 2014 11:05 am 


doc

@ Tark – I stand behind my points concerning Arreola. Big brother Vitali beat Arreola, because he (unlike Wlad) is a good counter-puncher, has more variety in his arsenal than a straight 1-2, can fight well off of the back foot, and basically likes to “fight”. Wlad on the other hand can not fight off of the back foot, and I feel that Arreola’s constant pressure (including body attack) would eventually get to Wlad, or at least make for an interesting fight. The future will only tell the truth, but what can be said for the present is that Arreola is by no means a human punching bag like Leapai.

Posted April 29, 2014 10:24 am 


Anonymous

To Tark.
“I would match Arreola against Boytsov. Chris would win that one easy. Leapai never had an easier fight than against Boytsov — other than untangling himself from all the grabbing clutching and holding.”

What is the point of Arreola fighting Boytsov? How does that get him up the ladder? There are far better and more significant fights for Arreola than matching him with Boytsov. After Stiverne, the targets should be Jennings, Thompson, Fury and Wilder.

Posted April 29, 2014 9:34 am 


Henry miller

Please no ignorant political comments on the Ukraine. The situation there is not what you are told in your media.

Posted April 29, 2014 9:32 am 


Anonymous

The fans of Wlad and Vita remind me of what the pro Ruskies are doing in Ukraine. Stamping down on any opposition ie freedom of speech. Everyone knows how good both Wlad and Vita are, but why do we need these bully boys trying to shut us down? It’s a shame these idiots don’t go on the frontline in Ukraine and throw their weight about, where it’s truly needed and kick these scumbag Ruskies out and send them packing. Ruskies have always been scumbags when it comes to their own people and hold them down with iron fist.

Posted April 29, 2014 9:28 am 


Henry miller

Arreola? Mr beef curtains? No chance agin VK.

Posted April 29, 2014 9:28 am 


TARK

Arreola poses no risk to Wladimir—whatever… Chris is as easy to hit as Leapai. He was outboxed by Adamek and Stiverne. He doesn’t have the physical strength, firepower, work rate, or work ethic to deal with Wladimir.

What we don’t want to watch is another woefully one-sided mismatch between a fat guy who can’t defend himself and Wladimir. We just saw that with Leapai.

I would match Arreola against Boytsov. Chris would win that one easy. Leapai never had an easier fight than against Boytsov — other than untangling himself from all the grabbing clutching and holding.

Leapai.., “Boytsov doesn’t fight you. All he does is hug you.”

Posted April 29, 2014 9:22 am 


K2 Fan

@doc ; ” people might think I’m crazy “…. ya think ?

Posted April 29, 2014 9:12 am 


doc

People might say that I am crazy, but in my opinion the fighter that poses the biggest threat to Wlad (style-wise) is…. Chris Arreola! I don’t know what will happen in the rematch with Stiverne, but what can be said about Arreola is the following: 1) Although he looks out of shape (a la pear-shaped Larry Holmes) Arreola never stops throwing punches, 2) He is 6′ 4″, 3) He has an extensive amatuer career, 4) He can take a punch (gets dropped sometimes, but always gets up and comes back swinging), 5) explosive power in both hands, 6) Punches in combination (to both the head and body). Wlad on the other hand has no inside game to speak of, basically only relies on a 1-2 (jab straight-right combination), and rarely ever throws a counter-punch due to his fear of retaliation. Now, before the Wlad fan-boys go beserk, I am not saying that Arreola will 100% beat Wlad, but I feel that his style would cause Wlad all kinds of trouble.

Posted April 29, 2014 9:08 am 


Adrian

Doc thanks ! I am a huge klitchko fan but the reality is that klitchko lost fair and square , the fight was a great exiting fight but it came with a price ….

Posted April 29, 2014 9:04 am 


doc

@ Adrian… Thank you, finally someone who talks sense on this forum. Wlad clearly gassed-out when Brewster was still standing after the initial onslaught. That’s the fight game. You make adjustments, then move forward. Wlad has done that. The problem is that all of the Wlad fans can not accept any of his losses.

Posted April 29, 2014 8:58 am 


WLAD VS WACH

My impressions of Wach.

Can’t even throw a straight jab
Slow and ponderous
Looks like Primo Carbero, the ambling alp
This guy is super, super slow and ponderous.

Posted April 29, 2014 8:49 am 


RAYGORDON REID

wald and vitali are the best

Posted April 29, 2014 7:03 am 


Adrian

Klitchko lost fair and square against Brewster in the first fight. , the reason he lost is simple , he punched himself out trying to stop Brewster simple as that , that’s why you never saw klitchko going for a planed ko in any fights anymore , he paces himself well now ,that’s called experience …

Posted April 29, 2014 6:37 am 


‘first class

” am a big boxing and ”’never seen him fight on ‘h.b.o / or showtime / so i don’t anything about him / except that he is the world champ and fight’s far away from here / so if i feel that way , so do other’s fan’s of boxing / he’s like a ””ghost / i never ever see him fight .

Posted April 29, 2014 5:36 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

I’m looking forward to seeing Joseph Parker, Hughie Fury & Ajit Kabagel mature into leading contenders in the future.

Posted April 29, 2014 5:32 am 


Henry miller

Pulev does look classy. I’d worry abt his power agin kiltchko and his handy but not strong jab. I’d like to see that fight. But before it happens I’d like to see him beat fury. If fury wants it.

Posted April 29, 2014 5:14 am 


Mongrel H@mster

The strongest that the HW division has EVER been is when you had Lewis and both Klitschko’s active.

There has NEVER been another era where the top 3 fighters would beat 2 out of those 3.

NEVER.

Posted April 29, 2014 4:58 am 


Mongrel H@mster

I`ll defend the Klitschkos against all the cum-buckets on here, and frankly I think this weird con that some African Americans try to pull that some 6″1-2 200-215lb fighters from the past would beat them is laughable.

It`s a Keyser Soze con trick.

Go talk about how Joe Louis and co would go against Dwight Qawi and other cruiserweights because THAT is what they are.

But having said that, there doesn`t need to be misinformation about Wlads tests after the Brewster fight.

They were reported to the KLitschkos, they showed no drugs, but an elevated glucose level – consistent with receiving the wrong drip on the way to the hospital, or a big adrenaline rush breaking out all the body’s energy supplies it could. The klitschkos were given the opportunity to say they wanted retests or have it stored longer, but they didn`t, Vitali discharged Wlad and that was it.

Wlad looked monged in that fight after a few rounds, but really noone has proposed a drug, or mechanism of action that makes sense for how it would be administered, and how it would have those effects, that makes more sense than him going over he top and gassing, and possibly being unwell when he went into the fight.

Seriously, if you want to propose drugging as an option, suggest how and what it was.

Posted April 29, 2014 4:56 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Facts surrounding Klitschko vs. Brewster I:

1) Wlad was easily winning every round and beating the living sh*t outta Brewster until he was caught with a good shot in the 5th.
2) Wlad knocked Brewster down TWICE in the 4th, but Referee Robert Byrd wrongly ruled the first knock down as a slip. Most refs would’ve stopped the fight after that second knockdown, as it was brutal.
3) Brewster NEVER once knocked Wlad down.
4) Wlad was given a standing 8-count in the 5th, during which he looked peculiarly intoxicated and totally out of it (having a hard time keeping his eyes open and shaking his head — as if trying to wake up and stay awake.)
5) The 5th round was officially over and the bell had already rung before Wlad bounced off the ropes, stumbled forward and tripped to the mat.
6) Even though the round was clearly over before Wlad fell (NOT an official knockdown), Byrd wrongly ruled it a knockdown and then prematurely stopped the fight — instead of giving Wlad a fair chance to get up and to go to his corner.
7) Wlad was never once given a 10-count in that fight, so therefore has never failed to beat a full count.

Clearly, Robert Byrd was showing unfair favoritism toward his fellow African-American countryman and not giving the former Soviet foreigner (Wlad) the same opportunities to recover. Don’t believe me? Go watch the fight again, closely and with clear objective eyes, on YouTube.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:45 am 


@

Pulеv 6/5, 250lbs fеnomеnаl cаrdio, grеаt foot work, (jаb),chin. Не is vеrу light on his fееt…for such а big mаn-114kg!

Posted April 29, 2014 3:38 am 


huckster

Jennings ain’t as durable as Holyfield. Somebody got a low blow. Some people should accept that the K-bros have loss. so what. Ali sat out 3 years fighting the government. He was really at his prime. so what. If he had fought those 3 years, he woulda, shoulda had, at least, 10 plus fights on his record. He would had a handful of more KO’S on his record. woulda shoulda . . .

Thompson would go home a break a hip after he got the chance to fight Jennings for the loose belt. “No somebodies” in the USA is going to let Thompson get a shot at the belt. It would not be good for USA HW boxing. Thompson unfortunately would win it. With Thompson with the belt, it would make a statement of the state of USA boxing.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:37 am 


Henry miller

Indeed rod. Needs a taller opponent or an extremely dynamic and gutsy smaller one. The prob with height is the taller they are the less athletic they tend to be. Vlad moves very well for his size measuring distance and closing in and darting out well. The heavy weights I’ve seen around his size and larger start losing out on this athleticism aspect.

Posted April 29, 2014 3:11 am 


rod

tark i am rod. dont know ivanov. mccline was around wlads height not noticeably taller as was jefferson. The point i am trying to make is to beat wlad you need to each him. To hit him requires a tremendous amount of skill and ability but it is easier for a taller fighter to reach him especially one with a height/reach advantage, a good jab power and speed…… Ray austin was around wlads height but wlad was just too good. Thompson gave him a good first fight but wlad was again simply too good. wlad may well beat wilder and fury on the same night, i would think both fight would create some excitement rather than seeming wlad fight some short fat guy. His fight with wach showcased his skills and was for the most exciting. Seeing him in with someone wachs size but much better would be great matchup. Thats what we all want to see.

Posted April 29, 2014 2:35 am 


Author

Tark aka Clueless:
You claim to have 50 years of experience as coach and you don’t know that a loss is irrefutable? Do you think the whole establishment was against Klitschko and they committed a crime to help Brewster win and rob the gamblers? Wlad has accepted the loss, you haven’t, but you never learn.

A clean 10 count KO can do less harm than several knockdowns in a row. You are so clueless it’s hopeless.

When you post under different names, don’t expect people to do the same. Perhaps you are ashamed of some of the stuff you write but your obsession with an unfamiliar sport like boxing will put you to shame every time.

Posted April 29, 2014 2:22 am 


Hosteen

Wilder wind mills his shots like a little girl

Posted April 29, 2014 1:36 am 


Truth Teller

SC – There is some experience in those words, hey tough guy.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:23 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

PEEJ: The last time you had some Italian and Hispanic in you was in the showers when you were locked-up for beating your girl like a dog.

Posted April 29, 2014 1:06 am 


sean patrick harrington

Wlad has 22 title defenses surpassing holmes and ali. Once he gets to 25 he is the best of all. A true throwback

Posted April 29, 2014 12:51 am 


sean patrick harrington

Damn peej i did not think you were like that. Wladimir is fast great jab right left hook and athletic. Im disapointed with you man. I would say brother but wtf.

Posted April 29, 2014 12:45 am 


Kid

This is how a PPV should look like if the promoters got together:

“Pound for Pound Number 1″

main event = mayweather vs pacquiao

undercard 1. porter vs bradley
undercard 2. thurman vs provodnikov
undercard 3. broner vs khan
undercard 4. marquez vs maidana

Posted April 29, 2014 12:21 am 


Anonymous

that was PEEJ saying black fighters are the best and he is a blatant racist and he lies all the time. He’s a compulsive liar.

Posted April 29, 2014 12:19 am 


TARK

@rod: aka Ivanov.., “They would do much better than wach, the only guy wlad has ever faced taller than himself.”

More nonsense from you. Not just Wach, but Jameel McCline and Derrick Jefferson were also taller than Wladimir.

Posted April 28, 2014 11:38 pm 


Lou Vale

Alert ALERT ! save money on sleeping pills watch Wladimir and Bernard ” Alien ” Sleepkins. Save now !

Posted April 28, 2014 11:33 pm 


rod

good article. wlad is a great champ and literally has a firewall that no one can get through. wlads biggest threat would be a good tall man. Someone similar to himself, fast, skilled and powerful with a jab. I don’t see anyone under 6’6 threatening him. pulev is highly skilled but does not have an inside game nor the punch. Stiverne hits hard and has skill but is slow footed, 6’2 and slows down after a few round. Jennings has the speed but is really a cruiser weight and does not have the punch. Browne will be a big slow target at the end of wlads jab. We are left with Fury and Wilder. They would do much better than wach, the only guy wlad has ever faced taller than himself. Fury has one tough fight to get past against chisora then he is ready. wilder has a padded record but has upped the level on competition, he would be ready with one or two hard tests. Both men are much much better than leapai. Wlad needs to face pulev next, then maybe fury or the winner or stiverne/arreola. I have been disappointed with wlads choice of his last few opponents (leapai was mandatory) but his next two or three should he very interesting.

Posted April 28, 2014 11:24 pm 


Henry Miller

Vlad K: Boring – sure he can be, but he usually gets the knock out in the end, which I always enjoy; lacking good competition – possibly, but has he ducked anyone that he won’t be fighting in the next couple of years? Can you do any better than beat everyone in your era?; Professional – as much as anyone; A role model for kids – absolutely, can’t think of a better one in this gruesome bizarre sport of boxing he is pretty untainted with any shennanigans; Tough – absolutely, didn’t stop boxing after his losses but came back better, and now appears to be still at a peak; Unchanged by his success – yes, modest, self belief, no arrogance, sporting. All in all, he is very good for the sport, if only there were more dedicated professionals who are good guys, like him.

Posted April 28, 2014 11:12 pm 


TARK

Bears.., Actually Wilder did cut it as Wladimir’s sparring partner. Wladimir praised Deontay as a tough and very fast sparring partner who gave him good work.

Deontay said, “I think I cut it as Wladimir’s sparring partner. If I couldn’t handle the job they would have sent me home. I knew how valuable of an experience it was to box with one of the legends, who I consider to be among the all time greats. He’s the top heavyweight in the world and not many heavyweights could give him the work I did.”

Posted April 28, 2014 11:02 pm 


Amoe

I’m black and I will say the klits are all time greats they got skills

Posted April 28, 2014 10:21 pm 


laj

I am sure that is not PEEJ posting, so will just disregard the stupid statements. All one has to do is look at the list of top fighters in the divisions to know how stupid that statement is. Likely someone just trying to flame the racial sh-t.

Posted April 28, 2014 10:17 pm 


PEEJ

Im not a racist or anything, but blacks have always dominated boxing and always will. The Klits are slow robots and aren’t even close to being the greatest of all time. They’re not even good enough to be ATGs. I have Italian and Hispanic in me, so am just being honest here.

Posted April 28, 2014 10:00 pm 


PEEJ

It’s a simple and correct formula. You cannot be the best if you have light skin. Only Black can be the best.

Posted April 28, 2014 9:49 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“A massive amount of gambling money was placed on Brewster just before the fight, moving the odds massively and winning millions of dollars for the Brewster bettors.. Wladimir’s blood work was lost in the hospital … adding to the suspicion surrounding the fight.”

That’s absolutely right! What are the odds that BOTH Wlad’s blood and urine samples, which would’ve proven whether or not he was drugged, mysteriously disappeared from the hospital? I might be able to understand one of the samples being misplaced or lost, but BOTH???

And after 10 long years, his blood and urine samples have miraculously never been found. I mean… this is millionaire HIGH PROFILE pro athlete we’re talking about — not just some homeless guy or illegal immigrant off the street.

Combine that freakish mystery with the highly unusual amount of BIG betting $$$ that rolled in for Brewster shortly before the fight, and I can’t help but to think that Wlad was drugged. Important Fact: The fight was held at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, NV. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted April 28, 2014 9:44 pm 


BEARS

I seen tupou drop jennings though the ref did not call it jennings got CLEARLY dumped by a big shot. jennings gets up takes it great and stops the tupou. Jennings is still to take better competition and were still to see how that goes.

Technique wise i think jennings is the best and he can hurt guys with both hands. Jeff mayweather is his coach i think and he does a ringside interview and says the jennings got knocked down but the ref did not count it. Like i said im looking forward to seeing jennings moving forward

Posted April 28, 2014 9:14 pm 


laj

PEEJ, you can explain all you want about a prime Holy beating Wlad, not in the wildest dream would it or could it have ever happened unless it was the pre 2005 version. Prime vs prime a blowout all day long. Holy always had trouble with fast skillful fighters. He did good only when he could get inside. Bryd and Moorer beat him easily by staying on the outside and boxing his ears off. Even Ruiz beat him on the inside. Really I just can’t understand how anyone can think a 26-10 heavyweight (his other wins were as a cruiserweight) belongs in this conversation.

Posted April 28, 2014 9:12 pm 


BEARS

Jennings needs to look impressive against perez and he should be able to do that just fine. This will be his biggest fight and a real namer now. you will be able to call his comp as good as furys after this and better than wilders as well. I would have loved to see arreola and stieverne vs jennings.

Some but not all questions will be answered when jennings faces perez. He just needs to look really good here. Is HBO picking up the fight? He needs to utilized the platform and say something the grabs the headlines. Im rooting for jennings.

Posted April 28, 2014 8:56 pm 


TARK

Huster.., “Jennings not as durable as Holyfield” WTF you talkin’ bout?

Durability was the problem when Evan Fields lost to Moorer — and to Bowe twice… as well as getting knocked out by former middleweight champ James Toney.

Jennings hasn’t shown any clues that he lacks durability. He just stopped an undefeated guy in the 10th after going full bore all the way. He didn’t need the stoppage, but kept his foot on the gas pedal anyway … and got it.

I like his work ethic… and he trains like a monster.

Posted April 28, 2014 8:22 pm 


KievBoxing2NY

PEEJ when Lewis beat Vitaly Klitchko ? You mean he got a gift when doctor stoped the fight losing on all score cards .

Posted April 28, 2014 8:22 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

“A massive amount of gambling money was placed on Brewster just before the fight, moving the odds massively and winning millions of dollars for the Brewster bettors.. Wladimir’s blood work was lost in the hospital … adding to the suspicion surrounding the fight.” Tark, Your posts are often quite good. This is exhibit “A”.

Posted April 28, 2014 8:13 pm 


BEARS

why is this guy saying look out for wilder? wilder could not cut it as a wlad sparring partner

Posted April 28, 2014 8:09 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

He deserves credit for being the king of the cruiserweights, and a ten year streak of bums. Get real clown…

Posted April 28, 2014 7:02 pm 


JOHNNY C

WATCH OUT FOR DEONTAY! TALLER, FASTER AND A PERFECT KO RECORD!

Posted April 28, 2014 6:41 pm 


huckster

The king should defend the IBF. Hey, if Wlad wins, no more christmas until joshua or huey come into their own. Fury is psyche mess. USA will be ruled by the old man, Thompson, if given a chance. Wilder will get his rude awakening soon. Jennings, like him, but . . . not as durable as Holyfield. Stiverne oh well. Areola hmm . . . If Thompson gets a chance at the belt, he will get it. He will be milking the belt in USA and breaking his wife’ hip a few times. Thompson can fatten his IRA.

IBF wlad-pulev 2014.

Posted April 28, 2014 6:19 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

TARK – That is true my friend.

Posted April 28, 2014 6:10 pm 


TARK

Stupid says.., “Most boxers would be considered damaged goods after three trips to wonderland.”

He didn’t make 3 trips to wonderland. He was on his feet and losing steam when his corner stopped it vs Puritty. Puritty was starting to gas out from the massive effort to stop Wladimir, and WK said he could feel Puritty’s punches weakening when his trainer was walking towards the referee.

The Sanders fight was a good stoppage — but Wladimir was up and ready each time he was dropped. He never got close to being counted out.

Versus Brewster he unaccountably lost energy and strength all of a sudden in the 5th, after dominating the fight by a one-sided margin for 80% of the fight.. Wladimir was hit after the bell ending the 5th so the the ref didn’t count..

A massive amount of gambling money was placed on Brewster just before the fight, moving the odds massively and winning millions of dollars for the Brewster bettors.. Wladimir’s blood work was lost in the hospital … adding to the suspicion surrounding the fight.

Posted April 28, 2014 6:04 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

So many ignorant boxing fans.
For the love of #### sake give him his proper credit he deserves like him or not BUT he deserves a lot of credit.

Wladimir Klitschko (65-3-0 KO’s 52) is an 1996 Olympic super heavyweight gold medalist and sence 2011 he is the universally, unified and undisputed heavyweight champion of the world (Ring title/WBA/IBF/WBO/IBO).
He haves the recognition of 5 organisations and Fightnews regards him as the 1# best heavyweight sence 2007 and counting and The Ring Magazine ranks Wladimir as the 3rd Pound for Pound fighter in the world.

Wladimir Klitschko have been the world heavyweight champion sence 2006. For 8 years now he have been world champion with so far IMPRESSIVE 16 straight world title defences of his crown (thats 3rd best ever, only Larry Holmes with 20 & Joe Louis 24 are better) and have been a great heavyweight world champion in representating his world title and as well been a great ambasador for the sport of PRO boxing. Something FEW heavyweight world champs have ever been near to.

Why all this trash on him? He is the best heavyweight fighter sence Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko is on his way to become a legend and an Top 10# heavyweight of all-times. He have done so much great charity work and with that made millions of dollars to the better needed. He is a great role model for youngsters to reach and no man have ever representated his country Ukraine better then him sence after the Soviet fall.

Wladimir Klitschko is the best heavyweight out there and can stay that for many years, and peoplöe complain about that he is dominant? Well I say that all those who ducks Wladimir, is doomed to never make any name for themselfs in boxing. Wladimir is world wide known – something the recent years champs havent been I’m afraid.

Most people in Europe and Asia knowes that Wladimir Klitschko is the heavyweight champ.
Why? Becouse he have been that for 8 YEARS. If North Americans still dont know who is the champ after 8 years? – well that is just simple ignorance then and nothing else.

If no one can stand up and defeat him well he is simpley the best. Wladimir Klitschko fights all worthy opponents and dont avoid any mandatory challanger.

All who dont fight him but are up there in the top is just beliving they can wait him out and become paper champions when the crown is torn appart – like the new WBC title holder will be recognised by paper title as he never won the title from any of the 2 Klitschko brothers who both had ALL major world title belts.

Posted April 28, 2014 6:01 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

“ALI lost to leon spinks,trevor berbick,norton (who got nilated by a pethetic Gerry Cooney), and little joe frazer. He got flattened by Henry Cooper and he got wins over rudi lubers,alfreda evenelista, and coopmans (all pathetic boxers). He as taken the distance by a barroom bleeder wepner and light hitting bugner. He got plummeled by Holmes. Now many claim this braggart to be the best ever?????????? He got foreman to punch himself out and allowed many to beat on him with rope a dope. He should be considered a clown.” And all this can be added to; for a start, the two Sonny Liston fights (especially the Lewiston, Maine fight). The Cleveland Williams fight was two years after Williams was shot by a policeman. “Williams underwent four operations over the next seven months for colon damage and an injured right kidney, which was removed in June 1965. Doctors did not take out a bullet that had broken his right hip joint and caused partial paralysis of some hip muscles.

”It is a miracle that he is not in braces,” his surgeon, Dr. Don Quast, said two years later.”
This from his obit in the N.Y. times.

Posted April 28, 2014 5:36 pm 


Jb221

I think klitchko is very good fighter vitali is better but wlad holds his own
They also have a lack of compition
So as far as the greatest ever I wouldn’t say that but they are up there put it this way they held there own for there era and that’s the best way to put it

Posted April 28, 2014 5:32 pm 


D

“the 36 years old champ shows steady improvement and no signs of decline.” at least get the age right idiot, takes a 2 second check.

Posted April 28, 2014 5:31 pm 


K2 Fan

The Klitchko Brothers ; the Kings of H/W boxing ! The
BEST ever !

Posted April 28, 2014 5:24 pm 


leonspinctor

Due to his victory over Ali I think leon spinks is the best ever.

Posted April 28, 2014 5:11 pm 


Ahurath

I really have to agree with you. Sure I may not find his style that entertaining but hey he’s knocking almost everyone out STILL at age 36.

He was really entertaining last fight and I really hope he can go on to win even more bouts. One thing is for sure I’ll be watching him with great intrest.

Posted April 28, 2014 5:07 pm 


clitscan

ALI lost to leon spinks,trevor berbick,norton (who got nilated by a pethetic Gerry Cooney), and little joe frazer. He got flattened by Henry Cooper and he got wins over rudi lubers,alfreda evenelista, and coopmans (all pathetic boxers). He as taken the distance by a barroom bleeder wepner and light hitting bugner. He got plummeled by Holmes. Now many claim this braggart to be the best ever?????????? He got foreman to punch himself out and allowed many to beat on him with rope a dope. He should be considered a clown. Wladimar is currently the best heavyweight ever.

Posted April 28, 2014 5:07 pm 


Mike

The objective test for the strength of a division is how well fighters from a lower weight class can do when they move up. A great smaller man can beat a good bigger man, but a good small man doesn’t beat a good bigger man.

By that test the weakest dominant champion was Larry Holmes, who could beat all the heavyweights of his era, but not the light heavyweight champion, Michael Spinks. And Mike Tyson quickly restored the order of the weights when he KOed Spinks in 91 seconds. The flash in the pan titlist John Ruiz was also beaten by lower weight titlist Roy Jones, but that result does not reflect on the weakness of the division because Jones never fought Lennox Lewis.

The dominant champion Joe Louis was nearly beaten by light heavyweight champion Billy Conn. This was an era when the difference between heavyweight and light heavyweight was about the same as the difference between heavyweight and cruiserweight today.

How have former cruiserweight champions fared in the Klitschko heavyweight division? 4 former cruiserweight champions have been beaten by the Klitschkos. 2 cruiserweight champions have been beaten by lesser fighters, Alexander Povetkin and Tyson Fury. 1 cruiserweight champion beaten by the Klitschkos had as many title defenses at cruiserweight as Michael Spinks at light heavyweight. Another former cruiserweight champion was undisputed and managed to take a heavyweight title just like Roy Jones, but was in the end beaten by Wladimir Klitschko. Marco Huck has more cruiserweight title defenses than Michael Spinks at light heavyweight, yet he was beaten by Povetkin when he stepped up.

The results show that Larry Holmes era was the weakest. Joe Louis’s era was comparatively weak, and the division today is very unfriendly to the many lower division champions that have tried to move up. Despite the endlessly repeated propaganda repeating the big lie over and over the current heavyweight division is a tough environment for the smaller champions from lower divisions. Hence the best of the smaller men today can’t beat even the good big men.

Posted April 28, 2014 4:57 pm 


PEEJ

No they are not the best ever, the fighters they lost too wouldn’t beat certain fighters ever. So sorry but just going by their losses you can say they are not the best ever. Vitali quit against Byrd though he regained a lot of that in his loss to Lewis. The 3 loses Wlad has are terrible. Went life and death with Sam Peters. lol. Nope not even close to the best ever.

Posted April 28, 2014 4:52 pm 


PEEJ

Being a good example for the sport and being the best are 2 totally different things. I have already stated a prime Holyfield would handle Wlad. Lewis is better than both. Lewis already beat Vitali. Tyson would take care of Wlad, probably end pretty quick too. Foreman would handle both. Holmes would definitely handle Wlad.

Posted April 28, 2014 4:51 pm 


victor

@ belly
Klitschko’s are the best – 100%. Both brothers are good example for sport,and as HW champion are the best EVER!

Posted April 28, 2014 4:41 pm 


huckster

The greatest needs to defend the IBF belt 2014. If not, the greatest should have the IBF belt taken away.

Posted April 28, 2014 4:39 pm 


fuzzy fists

who is your choice then peejy boy????

Posted April 28, 2014 4:36 pm 


PEEJ

Not even close to the greatest of all time.

Posted April 28, 2014 4:30 pm 


belly

vitali and Vladimir are the greatest of all times, no one has dominated their opponents like they have.

Posted April 28, 2014 4:05 pm 


TJ

WLAD, like him or hate him is good for boxing. Just like LEO SANTA CRUZ, he is putting up his titles 3 times a year, just like Larry Holmes did back in the 80’s and what champions should be doing now to keep the titles fluid.
Because, he holds three quarters of the relevant titles he is making his mandatories and slipping in a voluntary as and when he can which is the model that should be adopted by every champion.

I hate it when titles are sat on, which a lot of fighters were doing a few years back and allowed the scummy world bodies to invent interim and super and emeritus titles to in theirs words keep the titles fluid. If champions bothered to fight 3 or 4 times a year, we could shut in the bodies and get rid of these bogus titles.

The heavyweight champion has always been the pinnacle and the flag bearer for boxing and WLAD is and has always done this without a complaint.
If he can bother to defend his crowns 3 times a year then these other champions should follow suit.

Posted April 28, 2014 4:01 pm 


detroitko

deontay wilder all day!

Posted April 28, 2014 3:58 pm 


Fight Aficionado

I thought Wlad was 38, not 36? Anyhow IMO his longevity is due to consistent training, never getting far out of shape, and sticking to the formula that maximizes his strengths while minimizing his weaknesses. He still doesn’t have an inside game and I can’t recall the last time he threw an uppercut. But nobody can get inside anymore due to his straight punches. So whomever breaks the code is going to have to do it in a crazy firefight and/or on the inside. Not sure who can though.

Posted April 28, 2014 3:25 pm 


news nerd

gus you gonk

Posted April 28, 2014 3:07 pm 


Mikey

Master Ken

“You idiot !! He’s 38 !!!!

Dam when they gonna add spell check eastsideboxing anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tired of all these dam articles with so many grammatical errors !!!!!!”

“Dam” hahahahaha and he has a go about grammatical errors!!! LMFAO!!

Posted April 28, 2014 3:06 pm 


Fanofbox.

Gus@
If it’s boring to you than I have a solution – watch ballet . You will get exited w/sexy girls, and men. То ме
Klitschko’s are the best KO artist ever,
and I do like to see HW KO’s – that’s power! Man…

Posted April 28, 2014 3:05 pm 


Mikey

Very good English by the writer, Ivan Ivanov :) why do I get the feeling that’s a made up name. LOL

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was written by PEEJ ‘the liar’ under ANOTHER anonymous name.

Posted April 28, 2014 3:04 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

This is certainly not the best written article I’ve read on ESB.

Posted April 28, 2014 3:03 pm 


Xavier

People moaned in the 1980’s about the heavyweights, they moaned when Lennox Lewis was the Champ and they’re still moaning…God knows what they were saying in the 1930’s, lol! Wladimir Klitschko did a good job Saturday night against Leapai. Now we want to see him in against better boxers. Wlad was a different fighter pre-Manny Steward, more exciting but also more open to shots and more vulnerable. They realised he couldn’t have a long successful career taking too many punches. He doesn’t want to be a vegetable in his retirement…now,WK has resurrected his career from some bad losses, he’s still learning and he might never lose again. Wlad is 38 years of age. Pulev, Stiverne/Arreola for the WBC belt or Wilder, and Fury will hopefully be on Wlad’s radar for the next couple of years.

Posted April 28, 2014 2:52 pm 


knowall

Pulev Fury or chisora then the WBC Champion. Should be some exciting matches coming up and the hardest run of fights for the Champion in a long time

Posted April 28, 2014 2:35 pm 


Master Ken

You idiot !! He’s 38 !!!!

Dam when they gonna add spell check eastsideboxing anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tired of all these dam articles with so many grammatical errors !!!!!!

Posted April 28, 2014 2:34 pm 


dw232323

he couldn’t even knock out a bum midget like he was supposed to

Posted April 28, 2014 2:25 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Wlad is not 36 years old. He is 38 years old.

Posted April 28, 2014 2:08 pm 


Anonymous

Wlad used to be exciting prior to teaming up with Manny. He also lost more.

Posted April 28, 2014 2:02 pm 


Anonymous

boxer dyno

Wrong ! I never made it thru a Hopkins fight. Slept thru all of them
Posted April 28, 2014 1:47 pm

Watch Hopkins fight with Tito and prior. He has some entertaining fights and was even better back then. Boring after 35 years of age.

Posted April 28, 2014 2:01 pm 


boxer dyno

Wrong ! I never made it thru a Hopkins fight. Slept thru all of them

Posted April 28, 2014 1:47 pm 


Gus

A picture of the Klit bother – Most boring fighter in the world, maybe more boring than Bernard Hopkins

Posted April 28, 2014 1:46 pm 



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