Billy No Medals has lost his balls and doesn’t know where to find them.
bears is a complete joke.Posted May 11, 2014 12:56 am
It would mean another world champ and future HOFer among Vitali’s victims.Posted May 10, 2014 9:10 pm
im gonna make an official forecast of arreola to win. he is a better boxer. im gonna go ahead and give him the benefit of the doubt hope he does not dissapoint. should be a good fight. lookin forward to the first mexican american heavyweight champ arreola.Posted May 10, 2014 8:05 pm
stiverne proably got in chris head at the press conference now arreola going to fight angry which it could be a good thing for stiverne or a bad thing for him but he better be ready for a fired up and motivated chris arreola tonight stiverne dont got to do to much different basically he got to do what he did in the first fight it up to arreola to do somthing different stiverne just got to keep his cool and box and be smart as long as stiverne dont get overconfident cause he beat arreola before as long as he come with that same focus and hunger he had in the first fight he should be okay cause skill wise arreola cant match up with him i still see stiverne wiining again by udPosted May 10, 2014 8:03 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
murderman : Yeah…I think that a solid pick! My logic tells me to go with BS by UD or MD — and I’m an extremely logical man. Normally I don’t have this much trouble making predictions. I still have a funny feeling the rematch will be closer and that anything could happen in CA’s own backyard in LA. Should be a good one, so enjoy it. Peace brother!Posted May 10, 2014 8:01 pm
Wlad is hoping CA wins. No one wants to deal with don king.Posted May 10, 2014 7:40 pm
nice of these internet nerds to hijack the thread talking about their training regimens.Posted May 10, 2014 7:12 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
PUNCHKEY: Thanks man! I really appreciate the compliment. Enjoy the fight!Posted May 10, 2014 5:47 pm
Fatties in the ring part 2Posted May 10, 2014 5:14 pm
Wow! a real slugfest one should not miss.This should be worth watching for all boxing fans.Good chins good power.Posted May 10, 2014 4:29 pm
@ sc – my friend i like bs by ud. Neither guy can bet vk. Enjoy the fight brother! Bless!Posted May 10, 2014 4:17 pm
And the winner gets a belt made out of chocolate cake?
Meanwhile in Europe…Pulev-Klitschko.Posted May 10, 2014 4:06 pm
abs and obliques says.., “TARK@ I have to disagree with the leg machines and squats. The machine only strengthens your legs, not your central nervous system or the core, which the squat does. I don’t think squats destroy your knees, but it depends on the individual and having correct technique.”
Squats don’t really have to destroy your knees to stress or damage your knees, or strain your lower back. Quarter squats aren’t bad, but half or deep squats don’t work for a boxer from my experience. Plyometric jumps, wind sprints going both forward and backwards, lunges, and other exercises lend a lot of strength, power, and spring to a boxers legs.
For my core, a trainer passed a knotted rope he devised through weight plates and had me grab hold of the rope and swing the plates in a circle with my forearms passing over my head with each revolution. He had me swing the plates around 20 times in one direction, then 20 times in the other direction for a set. We did this on sand because the weights can come down pretty hard. I added a weight plate as I got stronger. After 3 years of that my torso was like steel. It strengthened my arms, legs, and neck too, but the main idea was strengthening the core and obliques.Posted May 10, 2014 4:04 pm
Stiverne Arreola goose is cookedPosted May 10, 2014 3:55 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
murderman: I fully understand your past and current situation because I had a very similar experience as an athlete. Where was I in the mid 90s? Playing college football just like you! Actually, I played CB all through high school because I was about 185lbs and ran a 4.4. My team was 3-time state champions and we went undefeated from 7th-12th grade (64-0). Still have a BIG @$$ gold championship ring with three diamonds…lol.
Then transitioned to SS in college after bulking-up to about 210lbs. Although QBs, WRs and RBs get all the glory, DBs are definitely the best all-around athletes on the field! You know it, I know it, and every football coach and fan worth his salt knows it.
Started weight training at about 12. Then began power lifting for football at age 15, but like you…didn’t realize I was doing long-term damage to my body and heart health. After ball, took up amateur boxing, but at 5’10” I only had limited success against much taller, longer HWs. So yeah…I know exactly what it’s like to be physically limited in the ring due to having an over-developed body. The direct result of many years of heavy lifting. My approach to training is totally different now.
So you gonna watch the fight tonight, player, or what??? I just want to see a WAR, so am hoping for a very competitive scrap of a fight. I have a feeling this one will be closer and that anything could happen.Posted May 10, 2014 2:59 pm
Hey douche bags stop crying this is going to be a good fight .Posted May 10, 2014 2:58 pm
Meanwhile, in breaking news, wilder has announced a considerable step up in class as his next opponent is to be a 5 foot 9 40 year old cab driverPosted May 10, 2014 2:49 pm
Arreola would be the first heavyweight champion with gynecomastia. This would be fantastic, since we are often regarded as effeminate.Posted May 10, 2014 2:46 pm
Two tough men. Important fight? Yes. World title fight? No. Could either beat klitchko? No. Who wins? Not sure. These two are both rated fighters but world champs? No. CA MUST win cos he is probably done in terms of relevance if he doesn’t. BS can probably sustain a loss and still be in the mix. But like it or not to be world champion you have to beat klitchko. Neither of them can.Posted May 10, 2014 2:45 pm
good to see today”s heavies in such great shape.Posted May 10, 2014 2:42 pm
Chris and his tits are an embarrassment to boxing. That’s why i hope the regular fattie fins.Posted May 10, 2014 2:06 pm
Rooting for Chris but not to sure he can pull it off.Posted May 10, 2014 1:58 pm
sean p h
Wlad lifts heavy weights. He even does bidybuilding poses. He facebooked arnold with the side chest pose.Posted May 10, 2014 1:50 pm
abs and obliques
TARK@ I have to disagree with the leg machines and squats. The machine only strengthens your legs, not your central nervous system or the core, which the squat does. I don’t think squats destroy your knees, but it depends on the individual and having correct technique.Posted May 10, 2014 1:42 pm
abs and obliques
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)@ do you have any links or sources about Wladimir only lifting weights limited to 40lbs?
I have also found lifting big weights with slow tempo does lot of damage to boxing. However, doing explosive movements like hang cleans, jerks etc. with big weights and with some kind of rest-pause scheme might be good, but I’m not sure.Posted May 10, 2014 1:36 pm
Squared Circle.., I fully agree with your comments on Mike Tyson. He had a strength trainer who had him doing heavy squats with a barbell on his shoulders. That can stress the lower back and the knees, which is the last thing a boxer wants. Tyson’s knees went out in both of his last 2 fights and he was knocked out and stopped.
Squats with a barbell are as bad as bench presses with a heavy barbell, which widens the pecs, stresses the shoulders and locks the wrists and hands. The leg press machine distributes the weight over your entire back and bench presses with dumbbells isolate the triceps and allow you to turn your wrists like you do throwing a jab or straight right. Plyometric pushups, pullups, situps, back extensions, and jumps can be done on alternate days to weight training.
Basically, every weight training exercise a boxer selects needs to have a great deal of thought put into it. Wladimir Klitschko would make a great strength training coach with his more than 20 years experience of trying to get it right.Posted May 10, 2014 1:28 pm
Bo Bo Olson
Belly looks a small bit better on Arreola…and you don’t need tits to hit someone with. It comes from the back.
the main thing here is, two hvwts. that are evenly matched are going to duke it out….don’t care about their size, discipline, or history, only the fight at handPosted May 10, 2014 12:45 pm
The least that the WBC could do would be to promise the winner his choice of a slaughtered hog or steer. The loser gets tripe.Posted May 10, 2014 12:42 pm
sean p h
Awful shape.Posted May 10, 2014 12:37 pm
These are two tough guys who are going to fight it out for the WBC HW Title ! Both can Bang so it will be good. Arreola will most probably bleed in this fight. But Arreola is as tough as an Onion Farmer, and was good enough to challenge Vitali Klitschko for a World Title. I think he is going to Knock Out Bermane Stiverne and is worthy of having the WBC Belt if only for a short period of time.Posted May 10, 2014 12:12 pm
@sc – preach sc. Me being a former college football player all we did was lift heavy. I played strong safety at 5-10 220 lbs. I was powerful. Fast. But stiff. Also at age 39 i have lots of shoulder n elbow problems! Where were you in the mid 90’s when i played ball! Coulda used you! Lol. Both these guys are way too thick. Stamina could be an issue. I predict a boring fight. Bs by ud. If ca ever gets his body togdther he could be champ!Posted May 10, 2014 12:10 pm
Wow Don King is still aroud?Posted May 10, 2014 12:09 pm
There is not much interest in this fight so they tried to stir up a press conference with some yelling. They are also trying to play the race card – the first Mexican or Haitian heavyweight champion, take your pick. Does anyone really care? Neither one of these guys deserves to be champion.Posted May 10, 2014 12:01 pm
Chris Arreola is going to Knock Out Bermane Stiverne in a late round slug fest.Posted May 10, 2014 11:59 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
TARK: “If you can do 300 pushups and 35 pullups it doesn’t mean your arms will be the size of a body builders’. You’re not going to be Twiggy either—but if you have good boxing skills and cardio combined with appropriately added strength, you’ll be able to throw more and harder punches with less effort for 12 rounds…”
I fully agree with that and with much of what you’ve said. Never said that boxers should avoid bodyweight exercises like push-ups and pull-ups. And I’m not one of those who believe that fighters should totally avoid weight training. I have almost 25 years of weight-training experience (everything from Olympic-style power lifting to bodybuilding; weighted circuit training (super sets of 15-20 reps with light weights & short rests for cardio); isometrics and resistance training; plyometrics and dynamic exercises for muscular explosiveness).
I know from experience that too much heavy weight-training (especially for HWs), like Tyson was doing in the late 80s and 90s, can ruin a boxers physique and reduce his flexibility, range of motion, speed and stamina. All boxers — especially HWs — should be EXTREMELY careful when it comes to weight training. They should consult with a reputable strength & conditioning coach who knows all about modern state-of-the-art training that’s designed specifically for fighters.
Unfortunately, there were plenty of strength & conditioning coaches back in the 70s, 80s and 90s who really didn’t know what they were doing. Whoever was coaching Tyson to be power lifting like a football player was doing him a major disservice. We’ll never know for sure how much that contributed to his career falling apart at such a young age. I suspect it did more damage that people care to admit or talk about.
Unlike Tyson and several other HWs, Wlad Klitschko swims tons of laps and throws thousands of punches under water. He NEVER lifts weights heavier than 40lbs, yet this a huge man we’re talking about. His weight training regimen consists mostly of various exercises with kettlebells & dumbbells (25-40lbs) and small medicine balls. No one is ever going to see WK doing 315 lbs bench presses, 405 squats, pressing or curling 65-100lbs dumbbells, doing 200lbs + shoulder presses, or heavy rowing and pull downs. The Klitschkos are highly-intelligent elite athletes and have PhDs in Sports Science. So don’t take it from me, take it from them. The proof in the pudding and the results speak for themselves.
These other HWs like Arreola, Stiverne, Fury, etc. would be very wise to study and replicate WK’s strength & conditioning program. But those three of those guys appear to need a professional nutritionist/dietician to teach them how to eat right and clean and help them to slim down.Posted May 10, 2014 11:44 am
Arreola! Stiverne has doubt and I sense he’s nervous in addition to being too emotional. The words he is saying is in part (At least I think) to convince himself. I think Arreola takes most fights lightly and its been a weakness for him as a talented fighter. This time I see him doing things totally different and it doesn’t matter that he’s not shredded and cut up.. He’s dropped a good amount of weight and has always punched hard and able to take a punch. Ray Austin beat up Stiverne, a motivated Arreola will mop the floor with him. I don’t think Stiverne is a fluke, I just think that a prepared Arreola will be too much and a different outcome this time.Posted May 10, 2014 11:13 am
239 is just the top half.Posted May 10, 2014 11:10 am
Arreola’s weighs 239 in this
He looked like a dead elephantPosted May 10, 2014 11:01 am
abs and obliques
Man, Arreola looks disgusting, lol. He should have kept his shirt on.Posted May 10, 2014 10:45 am
I look at it that Arreola’s cannot control his emotions
Think a lighter faster Stiverne could possibly stoop him late
Expect more tears . . .Posted May 10, 2014 10:44 am
So coming in “light” is a big thing nowadays? So much for the state of HW boxing. No wonder Arreola served as a punching bag for Vitali Klitschko and started crying.
Posted May 10, 2014 4:52 am
He was not “light” for that fight. Too many meals and beers. I did not expect him to do much in this rematch but I have not seen Chris this pissed since he FK up Seth Mitchell
Based on the rage inside Chris I am giving fat boy one more chance and picking him to pull the rabbit out of the fat saggy hat.Posted May 10, 2014 10:24 am
I think dan goossen stuck up chris arreola assssPosted May 10, 2014 8:40 am
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
Billy all mouth, hides behind his computer like the gutless coward he is. He does the same things on Boxing News 24 mouths off but he’s too much of chicken to back it up.Posted May 10, 2014 8:33 am
Pulling for Chris, hope he can get some head movt, step back and slip some shots, then blast this Rosta the FO.Posted May 10, 2014 8:11 am
Stiverne doesn’t look like he trained a single day for this fight. Chris has bad genetics for a muscular physique, but you can tell that he did some extra work in the gym.Posted May 10, 2014 8:08 am
I just dont like arreola. Stiverne will break him. I want the winner to face the winner of thompson vs takem and then wilder.Posted May 10, 2014 7:39 am
Bill you are a dreamer. WanabeeeeeeeePosted May 10, 2014 7:38 am
Steverne blasts away chris in 5. He lasting any longerPosted May 10, 2014 7:36 am
Bill Patrice Jones
That corona girl on the left is gorgeous by the way. Looking forward to this match big time. First fight I’ve travelled out for in a long ti e. Both look in incredible shape. I like Arreola by decisionPosted May 10, 2014 7:33 am
Body doesn’t mean much. Fedor Emelianenko was kind of chubby and he’s widely considered as the greatest MMA fighter of all timePosted May 10, 2014 7:13 am
and people wonder why these fat bums are gasping for breath after 3 rounds.Posted May 10, 2014 7:12 am
spot on henry.Posted May 10, 2014 7:05 am
Don’t be confused by muscle mass and muscle bound. Basically, fat is bad, it is like a race horse being handicapped by extra useless weight. The muscle bound have trouble doing sports when their flexibility is reduced. That’s why you see these big muscled guys unable to straighten their arms. All they can really do is lift weights and pose. Functional muscle mass designed for purposes such the full body motion of throwing punches and manoeuvring around a ring and slipping and away and punches requires a high level of flexible muscle mass. It s
arreolaPosted May 10, 2014 7:01 am
Arreola has some excess skin too which doesn’t help matters.Posted May 10, 2014 4:56 am
So coming in “light” is a big thing nowadays? So much for the state of HW boxing. No wonder Arreola served as a punching bag for Vitali Klitschko and started crying.Posted May 10, 2014 4:52 am
Both of these guys are Fat.Absoute disgrace to there profession.Where do they train ,cake shop.Posted May 10, 2014 4:43 am
De Lima I.
Hell even the Corona Girls have better abs than CA and BS.Posted May 10, 2014 4:03 am
I understand that too much muscle mass is disadvantageous in boxing, but chris looked in terrible shape considering he has been making such a big issue of his ‘trimmed’ body.
Squared Circle.., “They’re never going to be ripped and look like bodybuilders — or even Klitschko. Too much heavy weight-training would be detrimental anyway, as it reduces flexibility and punching range-of-motion. Too much bulky muscle-mass can decrease your hand-speed and stamina as well.”
There are trainers who don’t believe in weight training. Most are believers, but some strength coaches do more harm then good because they lack knowledge.
Klitschko is the farthest thing from looking like a body builder. He’s ripped but his muscles are athletically functional. That’s why he could get Ray Austin out in 2 rounds with a series of fluid left hooks after barely being hit—and Stiverne struggled for 10 rounds to get an older version of Austin out while taking a lot of punishment.
Appropriate sport specific weight training for a boxer makes him faster, stronger, leaner, and harder punching, while increasing his range and flexibility. Twenty pounds of fat isn’t functional and tires you out. If you look soft you are soft.
If you can do 300 pushups and 35 pullups it doesn’t mean your arms will be the size of a body builders’. You’re not going to be Twiggy either—but if you have good boxing skills and cardio combined with appropriately added strength, you’ll be able to throw more and harder punches with less effort for 12 rounds than somebody who can do 20 pushups and 4 pullups. A powerful and lean body helps.Posted May 10, 2014 2:46 am
Arreola looks trimmed but that won’t help, the fact that he’s always there to be hit will be his undoing and B-ware hit harder than him. These two aren’t defensive geniuses so the fight could go either way if anyone of them gets careless and Arreola seems to be the likely one.Posted May 10, 2014 2:30 am
Arreola is Mexican-American, an American citizen.
Stiverne is Haitian, not an American citizen. So, if fans want to bring the title back to America, it’s Arreola who is American. Vitali would have knocked Stiverne out cold easily, no contest and Vitali has already stopped Arreola, the only one to stop him. Vitali Vs. Arreola was HBO’s highest rated fight of that year, it took place in LA…………Vladimir Klitschko will knock out the winner, or if Wilder were to somehow beat either Arreola or Stiverne, Vlad will have no problem with him…………..Talk about body fat, Vitali was always around 250 – 253 his entire career, not fat and he is 6 feet 8 inches tall. Vladimir fights at different weights depending on the opponent’s style, but he usuall fights around 245 and has been almost 250, no fat. Vlad fought his lightest is years at only 241.5 lbs. Vs. Povetkin in Moscow…………I think this will be a real war, say what you want about Arreola, he has a chin, is not afraid and appears to be ready for this fight. Stiverne appeared to be nervous and not himself for some reason and Stiverne kept looking at Wilder, Arreola did not even notice Wilder and did not care……….Posted May 10, 2014 2:22 am
This match is considered charity at the hands of the Klitschko family…may the winner enjoy, however briefly, your green souvenir belt.Posted May 10, 2014 2:18 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
It’s good to see that both guys have lost some weight since their first fight, so you know they’re taking this championship bout very seriously. I expect to see a heated, competitive and scrappy war tomorrow night.
Both men could stand to lose another 10-15 lbs, but let’s be honest: they’re two naturally heavyset dudes with fat genes. I can almost guarantee that both their mothers are big, fat obese women.
They’re never going to be ripped and look like bodybuilders — or even Klitschko. Too much heavy weight-training would be detrimental anyway, as it reduces flexibility and punching range-of-motion. Too much bulky muscle-mass can decrease your hand-speed and stamina as well.
Both guys should be eating protein, fruit & veggies only and totally cut the carbs and sugars out of their diets. Doing a lot of swimming, various types of aerobic exercise, and high-endurance circuit training would also be a big help.Posted May 9, 2014 11:39 pm
These guys are tough. That’s basically why they’ve had a relative amount of success. Two iron chins. As athletes they suck.
Actually, I’m not sure Stiverne has an iron chin, but Arreola couldn’t budge him in their last fight.Posted May 9, 2014 11:35 pm
Arreola can always do land scapping if you loses.Posted May 9, 2014 11:31 pm
Hey Mister Muscle man. Arreola would KO you within a minute. Stiverne would do the same. Body looks dont mean so much.Posted May 9, 2014 10:53 pm
Arreola needs a bra.Posted May 9, 2014 10:44 pm
I just don’t understand with modern sports science and knowledge how a fighter can’t get more muscle mass. Don’t need to be muscle bound, but muscles need to be tuned to perform specific functions in coordination. Arreola should leave his shirt on as it is the opposite of intimidating when he takes it off. He is the contra Klitsko – he’s the guy not getting the most out of himself by remaining less than fully dedicated. He’s hoping his heart will be enough.Posted May 9, 2014 10:25 pm
@239, Both looked fat.. both looked soft.. both looked weak.. both looked slowPosted May 9, 2014 9:53 pm
I’m confused at why they were stripping down to weigh themselves. I can understand taking the shirt off to try and be intimidating if you were built but that is not the case herePosted May 9, 2014 9:34 pm
Tony Galento must be smiling somewhere right now. Not one, but two porcine pugilists posing for photographs.Posted May 9, 2014 8:52 pm
If you are not a boxing fan and you get to meet Arreola on the beach, the last thing you would think about him is that he’s a top level pro boxer.Posted May 9, 2014 8:51 pm
Both these guys could do with being about 10lbs lighter, if one of them is matched with Wlad next they will need to be.Posted May 9, 2014 8:40 pm
round2-stivernePosted May 9, 2014 8:30 pm
Octavius Jomar Chatman
I’m looking forward to this one :)Posted May 9, 2014 8:15 pm