TARK time for you to take a bath with a toasterPosted May 15, 2014 6:01 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn – Part Man, Part Vulture, Part Baboon, Part Machine
A fairish list. While it is all opinion I wouldn’t have Arreola or Wilder in there. I can’t comment on Glazkov, never seen him but hear good reports. Fury at 6? Not for mine. Jennings I would like to see against Perez. Shame that got canned. So kli v pulev cos kp deserves it and once he has been koed that leaves only Fury Jennings and stiverne on my list that haven’t been in with kilt. I don’t think any. Of those three truly test Wlad and you can bet your last dollar that corrupt don king will move heaven and earth to ensure his pet money making scheme, stiverne, goes NOWHERE near Wlad Klit. Even the bent WBC and king know for certain how stiverne vs klit turns out.Posted May 15, 2014 3:11 am
tony thompson needs to dry up and blow away. i’m sick of tony and his antics. he took his trunks off in the ring after the pulev fight after doing 12 rounds of nothing but surviving.Posted May 14, 2014 4:03 am
unify belts please . . . do the mandatory. Wlad is not even on the list of WBC contenders. He needs to get in line and earn the right. The guy that is first in line should fight Jennings. Somehow, Thompson should be in the mix. King will not let the Tiger near the WBC.Posted May 14, 2014 3:06 am
Don King will keep Stiverne away from Vlad as long as possible, but the WBC would like to unify the titles. Don King wants to take Stiverne on a world tour, the WBC will have to force Stiverne to fight anyone for a long time. Don King knows that Vlad would knock Stiverne out and Vlad will knock Wilder out, no doubt about it. Vlad beat Wilder from one side of the ring to the other while sparring for the Wach fight, knocked Wilder with a jab……………..if Vlad were to get Stiverne on the ropes like Arreola did, it will be all over for Stiverne. Perhaps if King does not allow a unification fight with Vlad, Vitali will go ahead and knock Stiverne out, then Wilder as well, King wants sign Wilder just in case, but King vowed years ago that he would do everything in his power to keep The Klitschkos from winning any of the titles, but finally Don King lost.Posted May 14, 2014 2:49 am
Gonzo the Dragonborm – Part Man, Part Vulture, Part Baboon, Part Machine
Stiverne needs to crack those big ol’ heavy fists of his on the mandible section of that corrupt sack of stale gorilla semen Donald King. That repulsive slimy fake ass obese creep has got him earning peanuts on a slave contract.Posted May 13, 2014 7:41 pm
It will be insteresting now with Vitali retired for good (we think!), there is only one champion now so the top contenders may have to start fighting each other to earn a real title shot. In the past 4 years there have been twice as many title-fight paydays available so no one had to truly earn their chance. Hopefully that changes now (though the Leapai fight doesn’t give one much hope).Posted May 13, 2014 7:08 pm
I’d have the same fighters in the top ten except Wilder isn’t in my top ten yet, and Arreola is out now. Jennings would be in if he’d fought and beat Perez, but since that fight got cancelled he’s outside with Wilder.Posted May 13, 2014 7:05 pm
Don King will avoid Wilder and offer step aside money while taking a lesser opponent in order to build Stiverne’s marketability….Only when he is ready will he risk the title against Deontay and ONLY when Wilder gives King an option for future fights……The big set up is to fight Klitschko in a mega fight.Posted May 13, 2014 6:39 pm
Either way the heavyweight division has lots of good fights on tap over the next year. Wlad vs Pulev is a mandatory and so is Stiverne vs Wilder. Two intriguing matches there, then if the winners fight each other we’re talking sick action. Of course retard US media will ignore all that unless Wilder beats Stiverne.Posted May 13, 2014 5:15 pm
I don’t think it’s so big an “if” … I don’t like Stiverne at all versus Wilder
It took Stiverne 18 rounds to KO a slow poking punching bag softie who has no head movement. Stiverne is not fast and slick like Malik Scott … Stiverne would have a shower of bombs raining down on his short, slow ass — like another Hearns-Duran fight. Now if Stiverne could take Wilder into the 10th and 11th? Get him tired? Yeah!!
But I like someone like Wladimir better against Wilder. Not that he’s a shoo-in.Posted May 13, 2014 5:10 pm
“I’m not sure about Wilder beating Stiverne, as many posters seem to think he will. Yes, Wilder is fast, powerful, and athletic, but he is far, far from a finished product.” – He’s been a pro since 2008 so he should be close to a peak, whatever that peak is for him. One thing that’s obv is his power. Stiverne’s got a solid jaw and can counter with his straight right that got Arreola in trouble or the short left hook. So while Wilder doesn’t deserve a title shot based on his resume, if he is able to KO Stiverne he should be given plenty of credit. That’s a big ‘if’ though.Posted May 13, 2014 3:41 pm
tark picked mitchell over arreola
tark picked canelo over mayweather
and now wilder
tarkie is often dead wrong.Posted May 13, 2014 1:34 pm
And Tark hasn;t got the beat on most subjects he’s ranking Fury at 5 which made me laugh.Posted May 13, 2014 1:15 pm
Fury at No. 6 is a joke. The guy can’t punch and hasn’t been in with anyone except Chisora who’s B / B- at best. Wilder may be untested but he’s got all the tools and is HUGE allied to FAST. I haven;t seen someone his size that fast. He’s got a jab that stings and a ridiculous reach. He should def. be stepping up.Posted May 13, 2014 1:14 pm
I think Tark got the beat on most subjects, but on Wilder I gotta disagree. Hes just big and muscular, with good power and limited skills. He’s trying to amass to most impressive record ever, like 50W 50KOs and live on that alone fighting around US. If he was for real, he should had fought anyone remotely relevant. The only “know” name in his record is a criminally damaged Liakhovich.Posted May 13, 2014 12:52 pm
sorry faced top 20 guys in the last 3yrs of their career.Posted May 13, 2014 11:46 am
Putting Wilder at the number 2 spot…is a gamble.Tark will look like the great expert…or eat crow.Can Wilder take a good shot? Can Wilder change his game plan if in trouble? Does Wilder have a good set of lungs if dragged into the 8th rd in a war of a fight? Will Wilder be the next Price..who still might have a thin chance..but things not working out like planned.Bottom line Wilder is still a huge ?.Like someone posted below the top guys only faced 1 or 2 top 10 guys in the last 3yrs of their career some faced none most only 1…sad example of this heavyweight era!!!Posted May 13, 2014 11:43 am
Pulev beats Stiverne !!!!Posted May 13, 2014 10:43 am
an ever changing top ten,with only a few who have not been given a shot at the title.Posted May 13, 2014 10:34 am
I just spoke to the author, and apparently David Price just missed the cut for his top 10 list…He was number 167. Maybe next year.Posted May 13, 2014 10:11 am
Stiverne deserves all the credit in the world for beating Arreola, but….(you know there was a but coming) we all know that Chris was tailor-made for Stiverne’s counter puncher style that draws in boxer-punchers who have no gameplan and have always been impatient. He won’t perform at the same level against a fighter who knows who he is and what he is capable of, like Wladimir. That said, I can easily see Bermane playing the same song against an inexperienced fighter like Wilder, who cannot control distance and has never been taken into the later rounds by a more experienced pro.Posted May 13, 2014 10:06 am
I’m not sure about Wilder beating Stiverne, as many posters seem to think he will. Yes, Wilder is fast, powerful, and athletic, but he is far, far from a finished product. Even fighting bums and stiffs, I have noticed that he has a very hard time effectively controlling distance. This is a technique that fighters light Wladimir mastered over many years of hard practice. Wilder doesn’t have it yet. I easily see him getting Kayoed by Stiverne in the latter rounds as he tires out hitting Stiverne’s gloves for 7 or 8 rounds as hard as he can. It will be a huge test and Deontay is obviously trying to psyche himself up for the bout because he knows it will be a huge step up from the club fighters he’s padded his very thin resume with over the past four years.Posted May 13, 2014 10:01 am
Khan’s Cuz Achmed
No David Price? WTF?Posted May 13, 2014 9:22 am
If Arreola shook Stiverne THAT MUCH, Vitali would murder him. And Wilder is Seth Mitchell 2.0, just a hype job bum hunter with good looks (since not been obese is a merit now).Posted May 13, 2014 9:21 am
Arreola shouldn’t be in the top ten. Glazkov shouldn’t be there either. Wilder does not deserve to be ranked in the top ten, however I see him easily knocking out Arreola and Glazkov. Jennings should be ranked at n0 7. Arreola should be taken out, and Mike Perez put in his place. Carlos Takam should get a look in. I’d like to see Takam fight Wilder. He can take a shot, and can put the pressure on.Posted May 13, 2014 7:54 am
Ok wilder hasn’t been tested I agree
@Fight Fight Aficionado : The only think thinner than his resume are his legs…Posted May 13, 2014 4:07 am
@ Tark Wilder at 2. Hahahahahahahaha please share with us whatever the hell it is that you are smoking. Wilder number 2? That’s just hilarious man….Posted May 13, 2014 4:05 am
Did someone have Wilder at #2? Lmfao,the guy has fought nobodies,how on earth can he be ranked that much higher than the highest ranked opponent he’s beaten?Posted May 13, 2014 3:03 am
WILDER; I really wonder how he will do against a real boxer. Sergei looked very fat when he fought him, and Scott took a dive (just look at the video, there is absolutly no movement of Scotts head when Wilder hits him with the right; these things can be seen much better today with HQ-Video). I think Scott just wanted out of it as fast as possible. Wilder is very hard to asses, he has boxed so few rounds, that it is almost impossible to judge his skills, true, he has good power, and he is big, but thats about all we can say from his fights so far.Posted May 13, 2014 2:22 am
stay away from Wlad and Wilder and you’ll be alright stivernePosted May 12, 2014 10:04 pm
Fight Aficionado says.., “Wilder has an extremely thin resume.”
Yes… but he can only work with what his lazy matchmakers set up for him. Deontay has tweeted and called managers looking for fights against guys who can fight. He’s called them out online and in interviews… Jennings… Fury… Bermane… Arreola… These guys are not anxious to fight him.
Now hopefully Bermane will fight Deontay… He’s the mandatory… But… I’ve got that sinking feeling he’s going to get sidetracked by Don King and company in favor of Brian Minto and Mark De Mori.Posted May 12, 2014 9:42 pm
“Swedish Boxing Fan … you comments are very “swedish.” Meaning you are long, rambling, and incoherent. ” – LOL. The Swedes I’ve met were analytical and seemed to enjoy taking the long way to reach a logical end. IKEA kind of makes sense now.Posted May 12, 2014 9:34 pm
lol, arreola was exposed a long time ago. stiverne didn’t fight any of these top contenders you’re talking about. so arreola wasn’t taking any risk at all fighting him. boytsov was a top rated contender with a good record. was leapai taking any risk fighting him? no, because boy couldn’t fight.Posted May 12, 2014 9:33 pm
“Sergei Liakhovich and Malik Scott getting put out in 2 minutes of the first round is pretty factual.” – It’s a stretch to put Scott in the top 10. Liakovich wasn’t top 50 when he got KTFO. The rest were hapless punching bags outside the top 200. Wilder has an extremely thin resume.Posted May 12, 2014 9:31 pm
Quickly, off the top of your head, a top 10 fighter should have beaten how many top 20 fighters in the last 3 years or so. 2? 3? More?
Fight Aficionado says.., “The theoretical has to converge with factual when we’re ranking guys.”
Sergei Liakhovich and Malik Scott getting put out in 2 minutes of the first round is pretty factual. Factual punching power i.e.
Mike Tyson wasn’t a great defender, but had the intimidation factor. It as a while before somebody actually fought back against Tyson and beat the crap out him. This is the same deal with Wilder. These contenders don’t want to be sent home in a basket.Posted May 12, 2014 8:03 pm
Wlad is in a class by himself at the moment. Pulev probably has the best chance of beating Wlad. I would move Povetkin near the bottom of the top 10. Stiverne after Pulev, but I don’t see him getting close enough to do any damage to Wlad and he would take horrendous punishment trying to get in, or just standing defenseless at the end of Wlad’s punches. Wilder and Fury have the size to beat Wlad, but they don’t fight big and they have been fighting cream puffs. Jennings is a step or two away from being a really good fighter–well balanced mix of power, heart, defense, and skill. Areola is not in the top 10 in my book. Wlad still on top for a while. The opponents with the will don’t have the skill and the opponents with the skill are just too small. None of the small guys don’t have that head movement like a young Tyson to get inside and do damage. None of the big guys have the skill or experience to deal with Wlad. Wlad does have a weak chin. But no one can get close enough to test it.Posted May 12, 2014 7:33 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan … you comments are very “swedish.”
Meaning you are long, rambling, and incoherent.
I think your point is that Stiverne is not yet worthy of a title fight with Klitschko.
Dude … none of these heavyweights are very good.
Klitschko himself can’t get a major US television network to telecast his fight. Klitschko’s fights are an embarassment. His holdfest with Povetkin was pathetic. His other fights are staged sparring sessions with guys 6 inches shorter tha Klitscko.
Wilder, Fury, Chisora, Pulev, Jennings … none of these guys are very good.
To say that there is a huge difference in quality between Stiverne and these guys is just silly.
In addition, Stiverne generates knockouts. That is good for boxing. Other Wilder and to a lesser extent Jennings, none of these guys really generate knockouts.Posted May 12, 2014 7:29 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
I give Bermane Stiverne his deserved credit for the victory over Chris Arreola. I also give him credit for the fact that it is true that Stiverne wanted to fight Vitali Klitschko for that WBC title belt in first place to live up and prove his right as the 1# WBC mandatory title challanger by fighting the recognised champ.
And yes it is true that he fought an opponent WBC choosed he was going to fight against for the vacant WBC title AND that he had nothing to do with that choise of opponent so of course he cant be blaimed as I’m sure he would like to have fought an opponent worthy as himself.
When bringing up Lewis-Klitschko, yes that is also true that Vitali wanted to fight Lennox Lewis for the title a 2nd time due to his TKO 6 loss and for months and even years he called Lewis out.
Lewis had promised his dear mother that he would end his career if the day came when he no longer fought for his legacy and hunger to win and only fought an opponent just for the cause of money – and Lewis was never hungry enough again after he defeated his last era rival Mike Tyson in 2002, a fight he had waited over 7 years for. There weas talk of a rematch clause fight between Tyson & Lewis but Don King made big part to that fight not to materialise.
Vitali however had after the Lewis-Klitschko fight proved he was the right man to take up the vacant title and also he fought an worthy opponent to officaly prove it against WBO world heavyweight champion Corrie “The Sniper” Sanders who in his turn came from winning his title in an big KO upset boxing match against the next heavyweight sensation Wladimir Klitschko and all is well so far.
Sanders was a major title champ BUT was forced to vacate the WBO world title if he desired to fight against Vitali Klitschko and for the now vacant WBC title and the rest is history.
The point is here that back then it was the best match-up to be made for the moment and no one complained for that fight match-up.
Chris Arreola however never won his right to fight for that vacant title, having lost all his recent top fights and Don King is VERY known for not wanting his fighters to fight against a champion or contender who he dont have a contract with and that is the case AGAIN here and that will make Bermane Stiverne look like a paper champion.
Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Dereck Chisora, Kubrat Pulev,
I belive he is tallented enough to win some good fights and all but he can’t have Don King to rule his show or else he will end up like a paper champion who only fights hand picked opponents away from being a risky opponent.
Bermane Stiverne is 35 years old and will turn 36 in November is just 3 years younger then the true heavyweight champion of the world Wladimir Klitschko, and Klitschko have been around in PRO boxing sence 1996 and the 2-time champ sence 2006.
Sad to say but Stiverne will not stay champ for a longer time.Posted May 12, 2014 6:56 pm
No Mike Perez? Not overly tested, true, but I reckon he would be trouble for most of these guys. Also believe he would KO Fury if given the chance providing he could get into range with a hell of an overhand. And I also agree that Wilder has a padded record, though good size, strength and such, he could prove to be another Michael Grant if/when tested.Posted May 12, 2014 6:51 pm
TARK, I agree Wilder is a talent with top 5 potential. But I also agree he’s been mismanaged to the point where his comp has badly lagged his development. That’s why I don’t agree with your list; IMO the theoretical has to converge with factual when we’re ranking guys.Posted May 12, 2014 5:06 pm
Fight Aficionado says.., “TARK, Wilder’s only beaten one fighter in the top 10. Everyone else has been bums. There’s no way he’s #2 regardless of his talent upside until he proves it in the ring.”
He hasn’t proven it to you. He’s proven it to me. It’s my list.
I think DW’s been badly mismanaged… He should have many more rounds against tougher opponents by now… But height, size, speed, and devastating punching power aren’t things you can easily develop in the gym or through hard work … or through brilliant matchmaking for that matter.
DW works hard. Maybe his team needs to work a little harder getting him fights.Posted May 12, 2014 4:43 pm
Those of you who are young and fresh, do not know the evil of Don King and how he can control and manipulate the HW Division and his champ of that division. Poor Stiverne, maybe he should talk to Mike Tyson and get some business tips on how to deal with DK.Posted May 12, 2014 4:28 pm
Wlad knows Stiverne is open for a KO and knows he can KO him. But King also knows this and the fight will NEVER happen because Don King is going to Milk this into year 2015 at least. I like ranking Wlad as number 1 in WBC, it should happen.Posted May 12, 2014 4:26 pm
TARK, Wilder’s only beaten one fighter in the top 10. Everyone else has been bums. There’s no way he’s #2 regardless of his talent upside until he proves it in the ring.Posted May 12, 2014 4:14 pm
A decent top 10 list, but IMO Stiverne should be 2 or 3 after Saturday’s win and Jennings should be around 4-5. I want to see more of Pulev, the European guys seem high on him but he’s not getting exposure in the USA so I can’t appraise his ranking.Posted May 12, 2014 4:11 pm
A better ranking of the same guys: 1. Klitschko… 2. Wilder… 3. Jennings… 4. Pulev… 5. Fury… 6. Glazkov… 7. Povetkin… 8. Stiverne… 9. Thompson… 10. Arreloa
Guys like Takam, Ruiz, and Chisora would beat Thompson and Arreola—so he’s got the wrong 10. Even Malik Scott would beat the crap out of Arreola sad to say. David Haye would be behind WK were he healthy. We don’t know if he’ll be the same after major surgery. He could be gone.Posted May 12, 2014 3:58 pm
Let’s go down the list: 2. Kubrat Pulev is a quite god HW, who would most other HW a hard time; but this is not the case for Wlad, Wlad is at least a bit better in almost any aspect of boxing. 3. Povetkin, we have seen the result, and Povetkin won’t get any better from this point on in his career. 4. Stiverne is also a decent HW, the fight with Arreola was good, if it wasn’t for Wlad at the top he would be a good challenger. But he is about on Arreolas level which not good enough. 5. Thompson is also very good, but Wlad and Pulv showed his limitations. 6. Fury is to high on the list, he is untested against real opponents, his best win was against an out of shape Chisora, and I think he will loose the second fight. 7. Glazkov has SD against Malik Scott and a win against an aging Adamek, he needs to improve if he want’s to stay that high. 8. Wilder has to face real test, his power is good, but what will he do when he faces a skilled boxer with a good defense who will hit back. He will be in for a surprise when he tastes Wlads jabs.. 9. Arreola is also a decent fighter and fun to watch, but he is too much of a slugger with not enough boxing skills. He is rather a gate keeper for the top ten, than a top ten fighter. 10. Jennings is also quite untested, but at an age where he still can improve. – – Without Wlad at the top, the HW division would indeed be interesting, and the fighters mentioned and some more would give us some entertaining fights, but none of them is at Wlads level. So there is just one question, how many years will Wlad stay at the top, and can he become manage to but together the longest stretch as a HW champion, surpassing Joe Louis mark.Posted May 12, 2014 3:26 pm
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f~k of AnonymousPosted May 12, 2014 3:24 pm
Decent list but a Fury at 6 is wrong.Posted May 12, 2014 2:23 pm
Why is Wilder ranked? Who has he beaten??Posted May 12, 2014 2:14 pm
sean p h
Wlad is already the champPosted May 12, 2014 2:13 pm
sean p h
He is a belt holder not the champ. Wlad is the champPosted May 12, 2014 2:12 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan to James Slater
Great article, as always. I hope to see Wladimir Klitschko vs. Kubrat Pulev and Bermane Stiverne vs. Deontay Wilder, very soon. Then, the winner of these fights can face each other and we will have only one World Heavyweight Champion.Posted May 12, 2014 2:04 pm