My bad, Vitali couldn’t go 3 rounds with one arm and that makes him GOAT according to Tark and that’s a bigger feat than going 9 rounds with a broken jaw. That my friend is a bridge to no where. You’re not fooling anyone.Posted May 21, 2014 7:49 am
chris arreola sucks leper sores. the fat ugly fukPosted May 17, 2014 3:10 am
what the article doesn’t say is that the attendance was a miserable 3,000 live. of course the ratings were high. latin fans had a chance to see the first mexican hw champion. plus arreola is exciting. without arreola, stiverne wouldn’t get 5 viewers.Posted May 15, 2014 10:29 pm
These cats was banging! Luved! Even tho Areolla a bum i like to see him contendPosted May 15, 2014 8:19 pm
Put it this way. Wladimir destroyed Byrd twice. You don’t think Vitali could beat Byrd with 2 healthy rotator cuffs?
Wladimir was decked 8 times in fights with Sanders, Puritty, and Peter… Vitali battered those boys to death and stopped them. Guys Wladimir couldn’t beat Vitali clobbered.Posted May 15, 2014 6:47 pm
“Vitali was being out boxed by feather-fisted Byrd in the later rounds and decided to quit on his stool.” – LOL. These historical revisionists are too funny.Posted May 15, 2014 2:46 pm
K2 Fan it’s not you it’s the site. I get that “too fast” BS all the time. Copy your comment before trying to post, just in case they delete it. Then post it again. Sometimes I gotta post 4-5 times before it’s entered. Yes it’s ridiculous.Posted May 15, 2014 2:44 pm
Chris talked all that bs and got koed lol wrote a check his azz couldn’t cash and this dude only has a right hand no boxing skills at all give it up Chris u tried I give u thatPosted May 15, 2014 1:24 pm
K2 I meantPosted May 15, 2014 10:30 am
K@, I’m a slow typer and it happens to me. Write your post in another format, then copy & paste it; that worked for me.Posted May 15, 2014 10:30 am
I have never abused anyone , I have never made outrageous statements , that might offend others , I have never played the : race ” card , I have never used foul language ! WHY are my comments censured , by saying ; I’m ” posting to fast ” ? What is the purpose of this ?
clay was 38 then. how old are the klitschkos?Posted May 14, 2014 9:10 pm
at 36 ali was shot. holmes did a good number on him that was good to watch.Posted May 14, 2014 9:10 pm
hell holmes got dumped by snipes and cooper staggered clay.Posted May 14, 2014 9:09 pm
the fight didn’t disappoint, it went as scheduled and the way it should have. Arreola getting smashed and once again being a huge disgrace. This was the only way either one of these fighters would have come close to winning a title. In Fattieolas case, three time loser in title fights. The Klitchko Bros are just to darn big in any era of boxing. Vitali the better chin and Wlad the better boxer both with heavy hands. A select few could have beaten them with their style and or power. Prime Clay/Ali, Frazier, Forman, Holmes, Tyson ,Bowe, Holyfield and hate to say it Lennox Lewis. Those guys could have out classed Vitali and blasted Wlad. Tyson bob and weave and bam, or a Frazier bob and weave left hook from hell. Lightning fast combos from Ali, or classic one twos from Holmes, Holyfield or Bowe. Dream fights.Posted May 14, 2014 9:03 pm
Can’t be of dubious qualifications, if one never professes to having any!.
As for Vitali potentially being the greatest champion of all time, I disagree, he has an impressive record for sure but has fought in a poor era, and when he fought a great champion he lost.Posted May 14, 2014 6:52 pm
As you say, we will never know how serious it would or could have been, not even Vitali could have known at the time, but he still decided to play it save, and quit or should I say retire.
As for the Abraham/Miranda fight it was sickening, but there really is no comparision between this and the Klitchko-Byrd fight, as Vitali was not receiving any punishment and was not going to for the remaining rounds.Posted May 14, 2014 6:39 pm
@Cheezb ; I= It’s pretty amazing , how some people of dubious qualifications , find it easy to accuse a guy like Vitaly of ” quitting ” while still saying that he was ; ” a very good boxer ” . Yeah , right ; very good , maybe the greatest of all time ! So , have you ever considered the
punch says.., “How does that compare with Vitali quitting on his stool in the 11th?”
He didn’t quit in the 11th… He quit after the 9th because it was a severely torn rotator cuff assembly that he didn’t want to tear up further over the next 9 minutes. He made a decision to forego a win so he didn’t permanently damage his body for boxing. It’s always wise to view the long term consequences of your actions.Posted May 14, 2014 5:28 pm
The fight drew well b/c there were 2 NA HWs fighting for a belt. Ever since the dominance of the LL & K bro era, NA HWs have been taking a back seat. It’s not going to turn around anytime soon either.
Amusing how many peeps have knots in their panties over the K bros… and bring up small HW heroes from the past. Most of these 1970s and back HWs feasted on CWs or powder puff punching 210-220# “giants” LOL.Posted May 14, 2014 5:26 pm
Brandon, and I guess the Tommy Morrison-Bob Quarry ESPN ratings bonanza was because of Irish fans and the other Heavyweight fight involving Barrett-Kirkland which drew very well was because of African American fans? Still don’t see the HEAVYWEIGHT common dominator there yet Brandon? It’s not like there haven’t been hundreds of non-heavyweight fights with popular Mexican fighters that didn’t do nearly as well ratings wise. It’s the Heavyweights…..Posted May 14, 2014 4:26 pm
Given how much mindless, endless, empty content there is on TV (reality shows about food, flipping houses, c level celebrities, people playing card games, moronic sitcoms) it seems only common sense that there would be a market for a sport like boxing. Have never understood why telecasts are drying up.Posted May 14, 2014 10:35 am
@Rustybucket – “Vitali is/was a very boxer, but to be honest although he did the safe and sensible thing in quitting against Byrd, it will never be seen as a mark of a great Champion.”
Although I kind’ve agree with you, it’s hard to say whether he did the right thing or not. A big part of me says he should have just fought through it, but then I think about someone like Helenius…
Helenius apparently fought through nearly the entire Chisora fight with a shoulder injury (and people still criticize him massively for his performance). The same injury seems to have kept coming back to the point where it looks like it has ended his career. I can’t help but wonder if he’d just called it quits in the Chisora fight if the injury wouldn’t have been exacerbated to the degree of being a career-ender.
So when I think of Vitali-Byrd, I wonder if, had Vitali fought through, his career may not have turned out as it did. He did prove to be fairly injury-prone for a while there (i.e. heaps of fight cancellations prior to him being made WBC-emeritus or whatever rubbish the WBC conjured up), so fighting through the injury could have been a death sentence for his career.
Of course we can never know though. Boxers do push through injuries and make full recoveries… one fairly horrific one that comes to mind was the first Abraham-Miranda fight. Even though Abraham got a bit of home-help in terms of time outs, it was still amazing that he kept going even though his jaw looked to be hanging off of his face. The slow-mo replays in the later rounds of Miranda landing bombs on that wide open mouth were sickening.Posted May 14, 2014 10:01 am
yeah, rotary . . . spin it. we all politicians.Posted May 14, 2014 8:41 am
of course, he had no chance. we agree here. He retired on his seat.Posted May 14, 2014 8:40 am
And had zero chance of being koed by Byrd.Posted May 14, 2014 7:29 am
Vitali is/was a very boxer, but to be honest although he did the safe and sensible thing in quitting against Byrd, it will never be seen as a mark of a great Champion. Especially when you consider he was well ahead in the fight at the time, only had to move around to finish the fight for 2 rounds and Byrd had zero chance of being koed
His reaction to his stoppage in the Lewis fight was the complete opposite and indicated he wanted to make ammends for the Byrd fight, even though he was at risk of serious and potentially permenant eye damage.
Some people will always find fault with that stoppage, but in my opinion he lost fair and square to an increasingly unmovitated Lewis, who had trained for a completely different fighter, while Klitchko was always up to fight Lewis because he had the WBC belt that Vitali covetted so muchPosted May 14, 2014 7:24 am
Bill Patrice Jones
This proves there is and always will be a desire of fans in masses to see exciting heavyweight action. It’s very healthy that we now have heavyweight title bouts without a Klitschko involved because unlike me, large groups of fans, really don’t enjoy watching them. It’s also good because the speculation becomes fresh and exciting again about whether there will be unification with Wladimir or who his next mandatory will be. Pulev, Fury, Stiverne and Wilder are great opponents for Wladimir to get in exciting fightsPosted May 14, 2014 5:27 am
Meant ” besides”Posted May 14, 2014 5:00 am
Beside many fighters have gone many rounds with a broken hand , arm or dislocated joint and some of them finished their fights as victors too but the so called GOAT couldn’t, that’s untenable my friend.Posted May 14, 2014 4:58 am
Oh forgive me it was 10 rounds with a broken jaw and not 12 rounds, so how does that compare with Vitali quitting on his stool in the 11th? So, you mean Vitali couldn’t take it on the chin for just 1 round whilst Ali went 10. Yes, he suffered alot of damage and that’s why he will forever be be regarded as the GOAT given the odds he had to overcome. Even Vitali admits that Ali is the greatest and doesn’t dispute it. So, why listen to an abhorrently biased revisionist like you.Posted May 14, 2014 4:53 am
punch says.., “Ali went over 12 rounds with a broken jaw.”
Did you ever take arithmetic in school??? If you’re jaw gets broken in the 2nd round of a 12 round fight, you can’t go over 12 rounds with a broken jaw. Ali could fight with a broken jaw because nobody punches with their jaw.
Vitali DOES punch with his arms. Vitali couldn’t punch with his left arm. He was risking permanent damage to his shoulder and rotator cuff assembly if he continued the fight. He made a wise decision and sacrificed one (1) win for his whole career. Vitali lasted as world champion until he was 42 with only 2 losses. Ali bravely took a lot of head punches with a broken jaw — but he lost the fight anyway and his form deteriorated at age 36. Ali suffered 5 losses.
Who made the wiser career choice when they were injured??? Vitali or Ali?Posted May 14, 2014 3:53 am
Vitali wasn’t heading for a KO or a loss. He was destroying his rotator cuff assembly. He thought it might be career threatening.Posted May 14, 2014 3:52 am
. . . because he was heading towards getting KO’ed.Posted May 14, 2014 2:59 am
Well Vitali was being out boxed by feather-fisted Byrd in the later rounds and decided to quit on his stool. Ali went over 12 rounds with a broken jaw, so Tark how does quitting on the stool with a rotor rapture in ONE arm make you the GOAT? I thought Vitali had a granite chin and could just take all the punishment for just 3 more minutes but the GOAT decided to quit even though Byrd is feather-fisted. This is beyond laughable.Posted May 14, 2014 2:38 am
I never knew that the fact that a fighter was never knocked down is one of the criteria for being called the GOAT. Hahaha, you make no sense.Posted May 14, 2014 2:28 am
@Tark is a bobble head.Posted May 14, 2014 2:24 am
Punch is an idiot… Vitali IS the GHOAT… Never knocked down. Never out-boxed. Never behind on points. Always avoided—unless you gave him less than 2 weeks notice.Posted May 14, 2014 12:09 am
good job ESPNPosted May 13, 2014 9:53 pm
punch is a punch drunk hater who’s still butt hurt because Vitali owned everyone’s ass for the past decade.Posted May 13, 2014 8:08 pm
Would have been a golden age if the Klitchkos had not been brothers, still hey ho.Posted May 13, 2014 8:03 pm
It’s funny how so many on here are quick to try dismiss Wilder. Saying this and that fighter would beat him. Everybody knows that dude is a freak and is the biggest threat to Wladimir more than anybody.Posted May 13, 2014 7:05 pm
People wanna see HW’s. This is something todays ‘promotors’ just don’t seem to get.Posted May 13, 2014 6:58 pm
This was a 2nd rate heavyweight fight and it did the best in 11 years.
The heavyweight division isn’t dead. They pulled better than any other weight class over the last 11 years of telecasting fights.
And you still have Jennings… Wilder… Stiverne… Andy Ruiz… Mike Perez… and many other North American heavyweights who haven’t fought each other yet … so it’s only going to get better.Posted May 13, 2014 6:39 pm
Meant “would get pounded”Posted May 13, 2014 6:15 pm
Vitali isn’t coming back to take back jack! If he ever did he will get pounded. I thought he was retired so he could save Ukraine, how did that turn out? The country is on the brink of a civil war because some folks wanted power without taking a normal democratic route. Grabimir isn’t getting any younger either and will soon get exposed once someone get beyond his tentacles.Posted May 13, 2014 6:14 pm
Octavius Jomar Chatman
This doesn’t surprise me….The division has been dead for almost ten years….Posted May 13, 2014 6:04 pm
For the idiot hating on Klitschko. No “black” contender has ever been avoided. When you match up two evenly skilled fighters with power you get exciting fights. No other fighter available from black to green comes close to matching Klitchkos skill so he breaks them down mentally then physically. It is boring to you because they can’t even make it interesting. Then you have the so called fans wanting the WBC paper chump to avoid the real heavyweight champion so someone with your skin color can fight other no hopers equal to his skill to make your insecure azz feel better. We are about see Ruiz 2.0. For Americans who didn’t like Lewis to have a beltholder and convince themselves when he fought it was for the HW championship. RJJ didn’t make history, he didnt beat Lewis…. THE HW Champion. And unless someone is fighting Klitschko it is NOT for the HW championship. Sad how King is going to hold the belt hostage only letting fighters under his banner to fight in case the paper man loses. Unless!!!! Vitali exercises his right to jump in at any time and take it back!! I would laugh so hard while the haters heads explode!Posted May 13, 2014 5:23 pm
Don’t know WTF 0.8 rating means. Is it 100K viewers per 0.1? ESPN has apparently forgotten how to speak in English.Posted May 13, 2014 5:07 pm
My figures comes up with 924,000 households. Anybody else have an idea?Posted May 13, 2014 3:38 pm
So what does a 0.8 overnight rating according to Nielsen mean? I had read that ESPN was looking for a million viewers. Did they get them?Posted May 13, 2014 3:31 pm
Good news. Maybe the heavyweights are coming back.Posted May 13, 2014 3:30 pm
Chris is done and stverne will be aswell in a very short period of time.
Texas is full of hicksPosted May 13, 2014 3:26 pm
Beans on toast sounds like a hillbilly dinner, lol, your hurt, I see lol.
Jake Lead Rights
I dont think it had anything to do with being Mexican, I know the CA kept saying that he would become the the first Mexican American to be HW Champion. But as for me I”m Mexican American and the reason I saw the fight was because I knew there was gonna be a KO. Styles make fights and CA no matter if he’s out of shape his style is appealing to the audiance. BS’s style is appealing to the audiance as well. And I don’t know the demographics but do all these cities for the exception of San Antonio (duh) have a large mexican population? Cause really does Providence have that many Mexican Americans? Or do these cities just have great boxing fans…..The fight was promoted well. And I would say that if ESPN had more fights such as the CA vs. BS fight they would see their ratings go higher. Great Job ESPN thank you for giving the boxing fans a great fight….Need More like this.Posted May 13, 2014 3:03 pm
The fight was pretty good I enjoyed it, but it wasn’t as good as Americans are making ot out to be.Posted May 13, 2014 2:30 pm
Post fight commentary after the klitschko fight on ESPN was and I quote ” well klitschko did it again ” and on to other news.Posted May 13, 2014 2:28 pm
BIG PROPS to ESPN for getting this fight and showcasing it on Saturday at Primetime…. Keep it up and ESPN might eventually be a HW juggernaut and steal it right from underneath the noses of the Big 2, (HBO and SHO).Posted May 13, 2014 2:15 pm
Flash knock down
Thank’s ESPN great match up great fight. There are a lot of great fights just waiting to be made and all the fighters are right here in America. For get about the worse heavy weight champions in the history of he Klitschko brothers. Let me say this it’s not their fault it’s the networks and promoters fault who are in bed together. If making great fights mean letting black fighters only fight other black fighters so be it. Let the white guys fight old washed up never was black fighters,and small white guys.Posted May 13, 2014 1:57 pm
Heavyweight boxing will always have a following, all it needs are exciting and competative fights at the top level.
Stiverne should make some easy money. Pad his record. Get a pocket full of KO’s. Create some excitement knocking over has been cans and just plain tomato cans. Insist on a box-off between possible contenders. Wilder-Jennings 2014 for starters. Let the Europeans play themselves for a while.Posted May 13, 2014 1:46 pm
I am grateful that ESPN showed this live, and I’m glad the fans supported it and the network did well.Posted May 13, 2014 1:33 pm
The first fight was exciting and fans were waiting to see the rematch. It’s not a surprise and they weren’t disappointed.Posted May 13, 2014 12:56 pm
Oh Please. It was the highest rated for one simple reason: Mexicans are huge fight fans and they wanted to see the first Mexican-American heavyweight champ. That’s it.Posted May 13, 2014 12:10 pm
Fans want the HEAVYWEIGHTS. Everyone understands this except the media.Posted May 13, 2014 11:42 am