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Carl`s the best

Only one thing to say for Ward.
Fight Froch or Kessler in europe, ore them both there.

Then it is gonna be a win win situation, or loose loose sistuation.

Up to you Andre.

Posted November 23, 2012 7:38 pm 


Derrick

great article on a fight that shuld be on everyone’s must see list.

Posted August 12, 2012 3:50 pm 


fate1

i completely disagree with this article. dawson begged for the fight and was willing to do anything to get it. he wants to be the best amaerican boxer outside of mayweather. this is not a lose lose situation at all for ward. this is exactly what he needs to bring out the best in him. i feel its dawson who will lose more credibility if he loses. coming from light heavy where he shouldve seeked revenge against pascal or fight another title holder in his division but if he wants to come down a weight class and pick on smaller opponents so be it. after he gets schooled by ward no one will care about dawson. we would only care if he ko’s ward but i dont see that happening. ward by UD

Posted August 10, 2012 8:33 pm 


Moonshineman

I don’t agree. Dawson begged for this fight, and made it very clear that he believes he can beat Ward.

Posted August 9, 2012 12:09 pm 


Sazaar

Dawson is so frustrating to watch. All that athleticism and range and no mental skills. If he can get off to a fast start and gain some confidence, we could be in for a great fight. Should be fun with this and Martinez v Chavez back 2 back weekends.

Posted August 9, 2012 9:49 am 


Hidalgo

I still pick Dawson to win. If Ward fights fair. Even in Ward’s back yard. But even if Ward wins, Dawson came down in weight to fight him. That’s a big sacrifice. and won’t affect Dawson’s Light Heavyweight title one bit.

Posted August 9, 2012 9:43 am 


Sazaar

I expect Ward to be right on Dawson’s chest. Dawson won’t have the room to let his hands go….not that he would even if he had the room.

Posted August 9, 2012 9:40 am 


Sazaar

Article is BS.

Posted August 9, 2012 9:34 am 


Mix

Off subject: I’ve heard Froch vs Oosthuizen’s close to being signed.

Posted August 8, 2012 4:39 am 


Dj

Ward is a mixture of Swen Ottke and Hopkins.

Posted August 8, 2012 4:24 am 


BLUESMAN

I agree, VLS. :grin:

Posted August 8, 2012 3:22 am 


BLUESMAN

I like Geoffrey Ciani, but I disagree with him stating that Andre Ward is in a “lose-lose” situation. Now on the other hand the fight may be BORING and/or non-spectatcular to the more casual boxing fans that prefer one-punch knockouts and brawls, but I think the more dedicated boxing fans such as myself will appreciate and enjoy the fight. I think Ward will easily win the fight by a unanimous decision. And when Ward wins, Dawson will probably exercise the likely rematch clause. If and when Dawson does exercise this opportunity, providing it is made available, why not make it at 175? That way, all doubt can be put to rest who the best is, since “unfair concessions” are being “forced” on Dawson the first go-round.

Posted August 8, 2012 2:41 am 


VLS

What a ridiculous article. Who exactly are these critics saying that a victory by Ward over Dawson wouldn’t be credible? I mean seriously now. Dawson and his trainer (the Iceman John Scully) have been waxing lyrical that making the weight won’t be a problem at all as Chad always walks around at a or about his fighting weight. As far as I’ve read, every rational boxing fan has been excited about the fight. To suggest that Ward needed to move up to 175 to make it ‘credible’ is completely without merit.

Posted August 8, 2012 2:22 am 


B Red

The lose lose ,is if you bet on Dawson ya dig………. Ward wins the fight :mrgreen:

Posted August 8, 2012 1:40 am 


Ike

I like the fight too because it’s a clash of two fighters who are the best in their respective weight classes. The problem is that their fight styles will probably lead to a non-aesthetically pleasing/boring fight. Still, I see Dawson as a very live underdog. Can’t wait to see who wins.

Posted August 7, 2012 11:00 pm 


srminimo

Tomato Can- I’m with you, if Dawson can keep Ward at a distance he will do good. He was able to do something against Hopkins that I’ve only seen Calzaghe and Roy Jones do, step back when Hopkins came in to pot shoot him. If he can do the same with the younger, faster Ward it’s going to get interesting. Plus Ward will not be the bigger guy in this fight, so he might not do as well inside as usual.

Posted August 7, 2012 10:56 pm 


Tomato Can

This fight is good for both Ward and Dawson. If Dawson loses, that’s no big deal, he’s going for a title against the best in lower division. That doesn’t happen too often. Ward is content at fighting at 168 right now, and Dawson is just as worth of a challenge as anyone else. Who knows Dawson may make the weight fine. If Dawson can keep the fight on the outside and keep his jab working overtime he’ll give Ward problems. But like some have already mentioned, Ward’s ring smarts, overall skill, and will to win, will probably carry him to victory. I like this fight.

Posted August 7, 2012 10:26 pm 


Ike

A common thread seems to be that Ward has no one to fight if/when he beats Dawson. That may be true, but it’s only because he utterly, completely dominated & befuddled both Froch and Kessler in the ring and on the scorecards…legitimately. The only chink in Ward’s arsenal is that he doesn’t have finishing power and only takes these big in Oakland. While I would have loved to have seen him taking Bute’s “0″, I don’t blame him for not taking that fight. Bute didn’t earn his shot. Period. Froch knocking him out proves that point even more. If Ward defeats Dawson, people will be salivating for Ward vs. the winner of Froch-Bute II, especially if it’s against Froch IN Nottingham.

Posted August 7, 2012 9:36 pm 


ShadowBrawler

Silly article about “boxing perception” and I disagree. Its a win situation for everyone. Its a great fight for the fans regardless of weight.. If Ward wins, a rematch can be made at 175 to quiet the skeptics and their “boxing perception”. Fans get another great match up and Ward and Dawson collect another pay check.

Posted August 7, 2012 9:32 pm 


ShadowBrawler

Disagree. Its a win situation for everyone. Its a great fight for the fans regardless of weight.. If Ward wins, a rematch can be made at 175 to quiet the skeptics. Fans get another great match up and Ward and Dawson collect another pay check.

Posted August 7, 2012 9:24 pm 


varnish

This is a great fight for true fight fans. It will be 2 very skilled, technical, tough guys in a very competitive division. I think that if Dawson can make the weight comfortably, as he claims, he will take this fight. He is bigger and better than anyone Ward has fought.

Posted August 7, 2012 7:59 pm 


Hero

I agree. :mrgreen:

Posted August 7, 2012 7:53 pm 


WHAT!!

2 things I would like to see. 1) A rematch with Froch just to see if Froch could come up with a better fight plan and execute it. If Ward won then Froch is the definite No.2 in the division. The rematch would sell, especially after Ward beats Dawson and Froch avenges against Kessler and KO’s Bute again. 2) Ward to go out and get a passport.

Posted August 7, 2012 7:47 pm 


Wilder

Is this fight PPV or on free TV?

Posted August 7, 2012 7:38 pm 


te tumbo

SRMINIMO, undefeated and undisputed in perhaps the deepest division in boxing should command respect and unequivocal praise from fight-fans. in fact, it’s the reason why nobody is criticizing the bigger Dawson for “cherrypicking a smaller opponent”. Ward’s professional stature is still bigger and even though he’s physically smaller he will still be favored to win.

Posted August 7, 2012 7:10 pm 


old guy

Good fight, burden is on Dawson to do something with this, he needs a career-defining victory. Ward by UD.

Posted August 7, 2012 7:01 pm 


te tumbo

what makes Ward special is just one thing: he can’t be beat. the primary intrigue of any Ward matchup is whether an opponent will finally emerge who can outPunch, outBox, and outSmart Ward for a win. a ring-trifecta that is virtually impossible for even presumably “elite” opponents to achieve v. Ward. in fact, it’s the primary reason he sits atop one of the deepest divisions in boxing: his consistent ability to disarm the elite and defuse the dangerous. i anticipate that Dawson will be no different. Ward in 12 by UD for the win-win.

Posted August 7, 2012 6:53 pm 


Tomato Can

Agreed, I don’t fault Ward for taking this fight, even at 168. Dawson, is a worthy challenge for anyone within 10 or so pounds of his normal division. However, He may suffer from the extra weight loss. If he’s smart, (if he can get away with it) he’ll come in a at 170 or so.

Posted August 7, 2012 4:39 pm 


MK

The things that promoters through time have argued most about is -where the fight will take place -when the fight takes place -the judges and the referee plus in what weightclass. It is funny how some people, senses these factors as completely unimportant, when it comes to the sleeping pill (Ward). Lets be honest Kessler and Froch are much bigger names, compared to Dawson and Ward, because they can actually punch, do fight away from home and have granite chins. I do agree with the article in that neither Dawson nor Ward has anywhere to go. People can’t wait for the Bute vs Froch fight and the next Kessler fight.

Posted August 7, 2012 4:37 pm 


Shane

Ward is taking all the risk here and is fighting the linear Lightheavyweight champion but can’t win the belt no matter what. Dawson can lose and then go back to being champion. Ward has some guts here. Fighters get a ton of praise for exposing frauds like Bute but Ward is lose/ lose when fighting a LEGIT higher weight class champ? I guess Ward just lives in the wrong country to be so dominant. Damn do the jealous haters hate :wink:

Posted August 7, 2012 4:31 pm 


Shane

He wasn’t breaking any rules teaching Froch how to box. If you “rate” Froch and Kessler then you should worship the man that utterly dominated them. :mrgreen:

Posted August 7, 2012 4:22 pm 


srminimo

Oh, and by the way, I think both these guys have a lot more to win than to lose in this fight. Ward has basically cleaned out the division and, after Bute’s loss, his biggest fight at 168 is probably a rematch with Froch, so a win here puts him right on top at 175 without even going up in weight. Dawson becomes a two division champ and beats the heir apparent to Floyd, probably regaining that very same spot. And whoever loses can play that weight card: he was too big/the weight loss drained me.

Posted August 7, 2012 4:18 pm 


srminimo

Te Tumbo- I’m with you. The guy just fought the top guys in the divission, was even willing to fight his good friend Direll until Direll pulled out of that, and now is fighting arguably the top guy at 175 who, not so long ago, was considered the future p4p king. So who is he picking and choosing? Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Dawson? Ohhhh, he fights mostly at home. So does everyone who can get away with it (i.e. fill out home stadiums), and it’s a nitpicker’s point anyway.

Posted August 7, 2012 4:00 pm 


Fight Aficionado

What concessions did Dawson make other than going to Oakland? He can’t draw flies to crap so of course he’s gotta fight on the road. Last time he fought at home the card drew like 300 people including friends and family. A Ward victory is in no way tainted unless there are unusual concessions this story isn’t reporting.

Posted August 7, 2012 3:59 pm 


srminimo

I’m with you. The guy just fought the top guys in the divission, was even willing to fight his good friend Direll until Direll pulled out if that, and now is fighting arguably the top guy at 175 who, not so long ago, was considered the future p4p king. So who is he icking and choosing? Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Dawson? Ohhhh, he fights mostly at home. So does everyone who can get away with it (i.e. fill out home stadiums), and it’s a nitpicker’s point anyway.

Posted August 7, 2012 3:45 pm 


terror tim

I agree Ward is plainly the better fighter and should be favored. I just don’t count out Dawson.

Posted August 7, 2012 3:13 pm 


te tumbo

Ward just prevailed in the Super Six without a loss. Dawson has challenged him. that is NOT the profile of a fighter who picks and chooses his opponents. in fact, it’s the exact opposite.

Posted August 7, 2012 3:04 pm 


MK

I agree with those that say Ward is a young Hopkins. Hopkins always picked fighters at their weakest, being a dirty unimpressive fighter. This is Ward in a nutshel. Dawson is slow in mind and body and certainly is not a gifted fighter. He was terrible against an old Hopkins. He has no chance in hell of getting a fair deal in Oakland. Remember, though, Wards dirty style would be punished anywhere in Europe, therefore he would be chanceless against Kessler, Froch and maybe Bute. Neither Dawson nor Ward are rated highly in Europe. There are rules in boxing, and Hopkins and Ward are allowed to break these again and again. Not in Europe.

Posted August 7, 2012 2:34 pm 


philly shell

Who exactly is criticizing Ward? Everyone on ESB seems in favor of the fight. 2 top fighters in their respective divisions facing each other, what more can you ask… It may be more chess match than fight, but I’ll watch. My money’s on Ward.

Posted August 7, 2012 2:27 pm 


te tumbo

i can see the frustration of Ward not snipping the “umbilical cord” and hitting the road but undefeated and undisputed has its perks and privileges and justifiably so. besides, i don’t know that Dawson has a dedicated fanbase and i’ve been impressed with the enthusiasm of Oaktown’s fight-crowd. until somebody is able to pry Ward loose with a “loss”, i don’t begrudge Ward[‘s self-indulgence. IMO, he’s Earned It.

Posted August 7, 2012 2:27 pm 


te tumbo

if there is any fighter capable of disrupting an opponent’s focus, it is the versatile and multi-dimensional Ward. there’s no substitute for ring-smarts and Ward has’em. if an opponent thinks he’ll be able to stick to the fight-plan as prescribed v. Ward, they Better have Plan B and C and D handy because that’s the kind of champion Ward is. he stretches opponents beyond their comfort zone, loosens their screws at the joints, and patiently begins to dismantle them with a variety of boxing-punching skills. he’s Not the most exciting fighter. Ward is better. he’s a master boxer and tactician. fight-fans take notice. fighters like Ward only come around every 10-20 years.

Posted August 7, 2012 2:21 pm 


Webster

Excellent match up, but you can’t argue with the truth. Ciani hits it on the head, holding this fight at 168 makes no sense at all. Don’t even get started with Oakland, Ward is doing himself such a disservice not cutting the umbilical cord. The longer you wait the harder it gets.

Posted August 7, 2012 2:17 pm 


te tumbo

NObody should blame Ward for accepting a prominent challenge that happens to favor him. besides, NObody forced Dawson to issue the challenge in the first place. meanwhile, after blowing through the top-6 168lbrs with relative ease, Ward is the designated Winner and i do not anticipate “losses” of any kind in Ward’s foreseeable futurethis is not “expert” speculation (pft!) or hometown bias. it’s the logical conclusion that any sane and unbiased fight-fan would reach based on Ward’s sublime ring performances. he is the “SOG” and the #1 P4P Heir Apparent to Floyd “Truly Great” Mayweather.

Posted August 7, 2012 2:15 pm 


sgt p

i think ward wins, kind of easy, depending on the dawson that shows up, pascal has athletism to spare, however, he fights like a ameture, and STILL beat chad easily until the last few rounds, chad does have every tool but not as atlas would say: upstairs, he can be lulled into a boring fight and non effective.

Posted August 7, 2012 2:13 pm 


Daly jr

il bring a pillow

Posted August 7, 2012 1:34 pm 


me

whoever let’s there hands go will win could b an awesome fight could b boring as Hell we’ll see

Posted August 7, 2012 1:07 pm 


jaydublis

Andre Ward is A superior fighter who outclassed and outfights all competition. He will pull off the upset and please don’t call Ward another BHop because that dude is a greaseball.Ward clean and classy, win by UD in 12.

Posted August 7, 2012 12:36 pm 


terror tim

I agree that this fight should be praised. Both fighters should feel they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. People are always complaining when the best won’t fight the best and I still see complaints here when that is exactly what we get.

Posted August 7, 2012 12:34 pm 


Ari

The Ward-Dawson fight includes 2 exceptionally talented boxers in their respective physical primes. Aficionados of boxing must be looking forward to the fact that the 2 best fighters in the 168 and 175 pound divisions are willing to take a risky, but career-defining fight, i.e., a fight that will probably catapult the winner toward the top of the pound-for-pound rankings; in contrast, at the 147 and 154 limits, matchmakers and boxers seem to be content with the possibility of promoting drivel, e.g., Pacquiao v. Cotto II, Cotto v. Margarito, II, Pacquiao v. Marquez IV, etc.
From my perspective, rather than simply suggesting that Ward is in a “lose-lose” situation, why not celebrate a fighter like Ward? He takes on all comers, demonstrates exceptional skills in all phases of the fight game, and fights with a great deal of courage. His boxing style reflects a blend of excellent footwork, a terrific jab, and underrated power. Moreover, during interviews, Ward presents with a refreshing mixture of confidence, graciousness, and humility.
I say, celebrate that, Mr. Ciani.

Posted August 7, 2012 12:12 pm 


terror tim

Had Ward forced Dawson to come down there would have been a point here but he didn’t. Of course Ward could have said I want no excuses and made the fight at 175 to add the lineal heavyweight championship to his gold medal and 168 championship but I don’t hold it against him for taking the fight as he was challenged to do so. Dawson is a damn good fighter when focused.

Posted August 7, 2012 11:46 am 


Dj

Ward zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted August 7, 2012 11:35 am 


Nutznmoney

I think you are looking too far into it. This is a lose/lose from a boxing nerd point of few, but to everybody else, its a good fight between two really good fighters. Whoever wins has a great deal to gain. If victorious, Ward would have plenty of options.

Posted August 7, 2012 10:43 am 


the public

this article is pretty silly. Boxing perception? Most people I talk to can’t wait for this match up….This lose lose perception does not belong to Boxing it belongs to the author of this ridiculous write up. sheesh.

Posted August 7, 2012 10:10 am 


Jake Lead Rights

Thats what makes a champion when he’s willing to challenge his body to different extremes. The challenge for Ward is fighting a natuarlly bigger man. I am getting tired of seeing Andre fight in Oakland he needs to get out of their and fight in different venues thats how champions challenge themselves too. Some will say to beat a champion you need to go where they are but I also think a champion needs to fight in different atmospheres and venues.

Posted August 7, 2012 10:07 am 


Ali

What??? :?: :?:
50-50 at worst: HE IS FIGHTING UNDEFEATED, BEST LIGHT HEAVY IN THE DIVISION!!! (Pascal just got a win cause of cut and: IN CANADA!!!) :cry:
So if he wins, he’s the best in 2 divisions (with this 1 win!!!), if not then light heavy is too much for him, that’s it!!! :roll:
Chad on the other hand got too much to lose if he can’t beat Ward, or even does so-so!!! (cause he’s the bigger, stronger, undefeated, and best in the division!!!), so pressure actually on Dawson!!! But, Chad is fighting him cause he’s desperate, after all these years, talent, exposure and backing of the networks – he’s still not a superstar!!! go figure :roll:

Posted August 7, 2012 9:59 am 


Wilder

I guess that the there will be about 4000 at the gate to this megafight in the US :mrgreen: – or maybe around 1800 like when Flopkins boxes.

Posted August 7, 2012 9:53 am 


DonCorleone

WARD NEW BEST THING…… TOWN BUSINESS

Posted August 7, 2012 9:46 am 


Anonymous

VERY GOOD ARTICLE. ALMOST HAD ME PISSED. GREAT ARTICLE

Posted August 7, 2012 9:42 am 


pugfan

Ward may have to hear some of the same crap that Paquiao had to hear for not fighting Cotto at just the perfect weight. same situation. 2 great fighters. may the best man win.

Posted August 7, 2012 9:07 am 


gUZMAN

Rematch at 175 lbs. in Dawson’s backyard. That would have been acceptable terms.

Posted August 7, 2012 8:51 am 


Art Carbajal

Nobody cares about weight, we are more worried that Chad Dawson is a boring fighter, waits and waits, he beat an old man in Hopkins and was still boring. So you have two guys who will wait and wait for the other to do something, not an interesting fight!!

Posted August 7, 2012 8:49 am 


Wilder

We want Ward and Flopkins out of boxing. Dirty, cheating and boring.

Posted August 7, 2012 8:30 am 


Olu G. Rotimi

Ward has done nothing wrong. Dawson claimed he can win at 168 pounds. The truth is Ward will tax his arse at both 168 and 175 pounds.

Posted August 7, 2012 8:19 am 


G-man

Ward vs Cleverly would be good.

Posted August 7, 2012 8:06 am 


curtley

I agree that Ward should have gone up to light heavy as this would have meant if he had won he would have been recoginsed number 1 in both divisions and still had Cloud, Cleverly etc for future fights. To me the added risk would have been worth the reward but for all his brilliance Ward is no risk taker.

Posted August 7, 2012 8:01 am 


G-man

im amazed Dawson can make 168,hes huge, that alone should be looked into.

Posted August 7, 2012 7:57 am 


skinnysteve

ward will never leave oakland look for dawson to pick up ward and through him to the floor about round 2 or 3

Posted August 7, 2012 7:43 am 


rb26

go bad chad dawson

Posted August 7, 2012 6:53 am 


Pans

This is a huge fight, hats off to both fighters and their teams for making it happen. I expect Ward to win but i don’t see Dawson’s stock falling at all even if he loses. If only all big fights could be put together this easily.

Posted August 7, 2012 6:11 am 



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