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Genius At Play

Heredia the prover PED pusher is JMM’s strength and condistioning coach. nuff said.

Posted May 23, 2014 11:45 pm 


te tumbo

“40 year olds do no get that kind of acne but it is a common side effect of massive steroids consumption”. PEDs or no PEDs Marquez is no cleaner or dirtier than Pacquiao* until they devise a test to prove otherwise. unlike Punkuiao*, Marquez welcomes the anti-doping challenge without hesitation or laborious negotiating.

Posted May 22, 2014 10:08 am 


te tumbo

“Mosley admitted to things he thought were legal at the time. Shane said he insisted every thing he took be strictly legal, and he didn’t know the EPO wasn’t legal. He tought it was because they said it was. He said they told him the cream and clear were vitamin rubs”(?). so self-professed ignorance IS a valid excuse(?) and Margarito is innocent? talk about shameless double-standards(?!).

Posted May 22, 2014 10:06 am 


Chris

still believed that the punch landed on pacquiao’s face is a lucky punch!
with or without PEDS fight!

Posted May 22, 2014 4:18 am 


Fight Aficionado

“Did anyone notice the bumps all over Marquez’s chest and back?” – Everyone noticed it. ESB probably chose that pic because they don’t want to explicitly report what everyone suspects. 40 year olds do no get that kind of acne but it is a common side effect of massive steroids consumption.

Posted May 21, 2014 1:45 pm 


D

i am not your friend

Posted May 20, 2014 10:29 pm 


Hecdog

D my friend, I do read them just to make sure I din’ t miss anything.

Posted May 20, 2014 8:40 pm 


Tomato Can

Only when I start forgetting how great Pacquiao is.

Posted May 20, 2014 7:43 pm 


Fighter87

Nope

Posted May 20, 2014 7:36 pm 


Boxing Fan

“Does anyone read Hecdogs long winded idiotic posts?”

Of course not.

Posted May 20, 2014 5:56 pm 


MANNY PEDQUIAO

I read every single one of my disciple’s posts. HECDOG is my most loyal acolyte and he and I have spent many hours in cooking up ways to fool the public. Like my good friend Lance Armstrong we have endeavoured never to test positive even though there are days when I rattle like a depository. I have had to go cold turkey since my KO loss to Marquez but I am looking forward to being back on PEDS for my next 3 or 4 fights, because Freddie has told me I need to get KOs and look spectacular once again. PEDS away!

Posted May 20, 2014 4:01 pm 


D

“Does anyone read Hecdogs long winded idiotic posts?”

hecdog reads them. he’s the only one. everyone else scrolls past the sh!t

Posted May 20, 2014 3:38 pm 


Anonymous

B red, no

Posted May 20, 2014 3:37 pm 


yalldont knowSh!tboutboxing

Did anyone notice the bumps all over Marquez’s chest and back?

Posted May 20, 2014 3:33 pm 


B Red

Does anyone read Hecdogs long winded idiotic posts?

Posted May 20, 2014 3:31 pm 


TARK

Telenovela says.., “TARK, not everybody uses them but a lot of athlete in sport do use them and take the risk. Just look at baseball for instance.”

At one time a lot of baseball players were testing positive. You don’t see that anymore. Testing procedures are getting more advanced all the time and cheaters are throwing in the towel. The whole illegal steriod and PED industry is being busted by guys like Angel Heredia wearing wires, and all the scandals and disgraced figures.

You take a puff of weed at a party and you’re busted… You’re pay is confiscated… you’re title is gone… But there’ll always be some stupid jackass who thinks he can get away with cheating…

Look at these guys who’ve gotten caught and most of them were losers… Berto… PEDerson… Cheato Rito… Chavez Jr… Rios… Morales… etc.

Posted May 20, 2014 2:50 pm 


TARK

Mosley admitted to things he thought were legal at the time. Shane said he insisted every thing he took be strictly legal, and he didn’t know the EPO wasn’t legal. He tought it was because they said it was. He said they told him the cream and clear were vitamin rubs.

I don’t know how naive Mosley is, but he never tested positive. He admitted everything he did but said it didn’t help him. The only way they knew Mosley took illegal stuff is, he told them exactly what BALCO gave him.

Mosley.., “The crap they gave only slowed me up and weakened me. I was much faster the first De La Hoya fight. None of that stuff helped me. It hurt me. I never knew until the investigators contacted me that maybe my body absorbed something that might have been illegal.”

Victor Conte has a long history of telling his athletes his supplements were 100% legal — when they actually contained steroids… How many guys go to prison for trafficing in steroids??? Conte did.

Also, muscle builder supplements you buy over-the-counter are sometimes sprayed with cheap steroids — to make them seem more effective than they are… Athletes don’t find that out about the steroids until they test positive.

Posted May 20, 2014 2:25 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“They invented new testing procedures that nailed Armstrong cold when they retested his frozen samples many years later … so if you cheat you’re never safe…” – TARK is correct. However, this only works if they actually store the samples. Mosley was proven to be juiced on EPO, the cream and the clear from BALCO for the Oscar rematch, but the NSAC threw out Mosley’s sample. Why?

Posted May 20, 2014 1:51 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Were you the one that started those rumors….its OK though you can’t ruin Mayweathers great career with rumors.” – The Truth, no. In fact I didn’t hear about the Floyd rumors until months after Max Boxing and a couple other websites reported it. Personally I don’t think it’s true. I was just correcting someone who said there were no rumors about Floyd.

Posted May 20, 2014 1:48 pm 


yalldont knowSh!tboutboxing

Hecdog

On Crack.. If anyone thought MM came close to winning more than 2 rds they are blind and dnt know boxing. Anhow did anyone noctice the bumps all over Marquez’s chest and back.. Humm Im just saying

Posted May 20, 2014 1:45 pm 


Mike Tyson

Floyd have no choice to have everyone take the blood test, or he be called out, why only manny. because he did it the wrong way he accuses manny of the derect word steriord it became slander of carater if it cost you sales or emotional cost it’s can be filed. His mistake.
If he went to the boxing commission and propose blood test, PAC would not have won the case. Because Floyd intention was made before hand, and was not singleing out a fighter but all fighter that he belive.
It is possible for jmm or PAC not to know what added to there protean drink, and not to know.
But remember the opponate make you look powerfull or reglar..

Fighting a top fighter like Bradley I say even Floyd would lose. So making PAC look slow and average is in comparison to Bradley proformance. Almost unbeatable.

Jmm proformance last fight was in line, PAC was in line, khan move up one notch, he develop holding inside/and gain power. Porter move up one notch, he also a slugger/boxer and he did beating 2 boxer by slugging/boxing what ever needed, or he can game change as he listen well to his great corner.
Floyd under proform, and the pressure on in a rematch to prove his boxing was not shut down he don’t like to get hit so I say he was shut down to fighting down in the slugger trenches a over exciter amature move taking the slugger strong point head on, he lucky chino isnt the top slugger / boxer.

Posted May 20, 2014 12:35 pm 


Anonymous

Hecdog

STOP POSTING ON EVERY THREAD!!!

Posted May 20, 2014 12:03 pm 


Hecdog

Floyd Mayweather is on the way out. Maidana beat him around the ring like a rag doll, and the signs of age clearly showed (Unlike Ped Man Marquez whom uses the rejuvenating Hereida Mix). His timing was gone. He looked much slower. His defense was shattered. Floyd Mayweather showed us why he wanted no part of the Legendary Manny Pacquiao. Now Mayweather and his dummies are trying to get in those last 3 fights, and if those fights happen in Las Vegas he has little chance of losing unless he fights the legendary Manny Pacquiao whom would take the judges out of the equation by stopping Floyd Mayweather. Other possible opponents like Khan, Garcia and Thurman even in Floyd’s decline wouldn’t beat him. Khan fights like an amateur and keeps his head up in the air too much. His chin as we all know is made of glass. Thurman has a punchers chance and that’s all. He’s been given way too much credit for doing nothing. He has fought no one. He continually gets rocked by any solid punch, and he has basic boxing skills. I am not impressed by Thurman at all. There are only two fighters out there that will beat Mayweather decisively. Shawn Porter because of his youth speed, power, stamina and most importantly his experience training with the greatest fighter of all time, Manny Pacquiao. Porter is the real deal. I see a unanimous one sided beating in this fight with Porter making Floyd Maywether look old as terry Norris did to Sugar Ray Robinson. The other fighter that would obviously beat Floyd is none other than the only 8 division boxing champion in history, Manny Pacquiao. At age 35 Manny Pacquiao is still regarded by most boxing observers as the greatest fighter of all time. He is the fighter that has a style that can’t be beaten on a one fight basis. Manny’s return to glory was incredible to see as he destroyed a young, strong Brandon Rios, a former champion. His classic and memorable boxing exhibition will be hailed for centuries. Manny then followed that colossal victory by dominating a young, strong, unbeaten Timothy Bradley. Floyd Mayweather’s career will be marred by his fear of fighting Manny Pacquiao. Floyd’s career will be remembered more by what he failed to do and not what he did. No one can ever say Manny Pacquiao ducked or avoided anyone. This is the main reason he is so loved, respected, honored, admired, cherished and adored. A fighter in the true sense of the word. The question remains, will Floyd Mayweather ever fight Manny Pacquiao? I highly doubt it. And this is why no matter who Floyd fights next, the fans will have no interest. The miserable PPV numbers in the Maidana fight clearly show Floyd’s decline even more so out of the ring because unless there is a name with a big fan base, Floyd Mayweather doesn’t draw, which leads to the obvious when it comes to taking money between these two if the fight were to ever happen. Manny Pacquiao should take no less than 70% and Floyd should take 30%. I’ve been telling anyone that would listen that Manny far out draws all boxers world wide. Yes, there are millions of fans around the globe that can”t afford the telecast and never are accounted for. Let’s take Floyd to Macau China and see what he draws. Fans must understand Manny popularity world wide. Congressman, future President, Actor, Singer, Model, Only 8 Division Boxing Champion in boxing history, clothing designer, Bible Study Teacher and so much more. Manny Pacquiao has been the front page picture of boxing for over 10 years. He has brought families together and has elevated boxing to a level never seen before. Manny Pacquiao is very different than fighters like Mayweather and Marquez both of whom have lost respectability in the fans eyes. Both are fearful of fighting Manny Pacquiao. Floyd is simply plain scared for his health and Marquez isn’t confident that he can get Angel Hereida to put together the right nutritional mix and get away with it. Manny Pacquiao stands head and shoulders above them both. A legend that needs no introduction. Trust me, boxing will never be the same once Manny Pacquiao retires. This man carried his country and the sport of boxing on his shoulders. Manny is the best!

Posted May 20, 2014 11:53 am 


matthews

“dictate “

Posted May 20, 2014 11:39 am 


matthews

Opponents can’t do nothing because there is only one opponent who can attempt to fixated to pac and that is Floyd. Everyone else is B Side.

Posted May 20, 2014 11:38 am 


Anonymous

—-tumb–leque, serán todos los de SOB ( two meanings, your pick) as ignorant as you?.

Posted May 20, 2014 11:34 am 


Ken

Maywerather asks everyone to take the PED test to cover up his own taking of PED USE !

Posted May 20, 2014 11:32 am 


Anonymous

If Maidana humiliated Floyd and most felt he won, Pac who is a superior fighter in comparison to Maidana, would fare much better.

Posted May 20, 2014 11:28 am 


Anonymous

If that what you say had any iota of truth….Floyd would have gone out of his way to earn the biggest purse in boxing history and pursued a fight with Pac but, since he has not, we can confidently say floyd would not necessarily beat him. You can beat someone if you don’t fight them. You beat a fighter in the ring…not outside of it with words.

Posted May 20, 2014 11:26 am 


Fighter87

Manny is not some sort of boxing wizard, at his best he was a combo of speed, stamina, dynamism, power and movement… These elements are still in play albeit to a lessor degree…We have all seen him befuddled by an OLDER small counterpuncher, he is going to be eaten alive by a bigger FAR more talented counterpuncher like Mayweather Jr…. Pacquiao does not have Cotto’s bulk or size to even push Floyd to the ropes, he is gonna be eating jabs and getting capped by straight right hands as the night wears on…Pac of 2009 would have made a better bout of it and still lost but this version stands to get badly humiliated…

Posted May 20, 2014 11:21 am 


Boxing Fan

Correction:

“the fans saying that Marquez (but not Pacquiao)”

should have read

“the Pacquiao fans saying that Marquez (but not Pacquiao)”

Posted May 20, 2014 11:09 am 


Boxing Fan

P.S. The purpose of my first post was just to say about Mayweather what people have been saying about Marquez, by way of insinuating that the evidence is no stronger in either case. I don’t know if either use PEDs, but we have no more reason to suspect Marquez than we have Floyd. You may point to new acne, but then why didn’t he have that when he last fought Pacquiao? Besides, I can point to numerous reports that Floyd tested positive three times, and that this was covered up (if anyone has the money to do this, it’s Floyd).

At the end of the day, people just believe whatever it pleases them to believe. Thus, when Pacquiao was KOing everyone and he was accused of usings PEDs, the Pacquiao fanboys vociferously denied it. Then Marquez KO’d Pacquiao and those same fanboys (e.g. Hecdog) started laying the exact same accusations against Marquez.

As for me, I’m just trying to be neutral, and the fact is that the people who are saying that Marquez “must be” on PEDs should, on pain of inconsistency, be saying the same things about Mayweather and Pacquiao.

Of course, boxing fans in general are neither neutral nor consistent, and so what you find it the Mayweather fans saying that Pacquiao (but not Floyd) “must be” on steroids, the fans saying that Marquez (but not Pacquiao) “must be on steroids”, the Marquez fans saying that Pacquiao (but not Marquez) “must be” on seroids, etc. etc.

I recommend that people try to be more neutral on these matters, instead of just choosing to believe whatever makes them feel better because of who they do and don’t support, who they do and don’t like, or which group/race/nation they see themselves as belonging to.

Of course, such advice will fall on deaf ears for most people in most situations, and are guaranteed to be ignored in forums like this — so really, I shouldn’t even bother.

Posted May 20, 2014 11:07 am 


te tumbo

it’s also satisfying to read K.C.’s envy for my command of the english language. after all, anybody can pick up a dictionary but it takes intelligence to string the words together into coherent sentences. K.C. obviously lacks the required intelligence or doesn’t know what a real dictionary looks like(?).

Posted May 20, 2014 10:54 am 


Boxing Fan

@”The Truth”

The point is that when Marquez moved up from 135 to 147 and put on a ton of muscle, people all said “Look at that new muscular physique — he MUST be on PEDs!” My question is: why are people not saying the same about Mayweather? Hasn’t he also put on a ton of muscle? It’s about consistency. If one hold that Marquez cannot have put on all that muscle without PEDs, you should hold the same view about Floyd. On the other hand, if you accept that Floyd can do it by “hard work and dedication”, then why assume that Marquez can’t?

Posted May 20, 2014 10:48 am 


te tumbo

not surprised that other posters have become fatigued with K.C.’s constant pissin and moanin about boxing and other posters. never a single constructive post to contribute to the discussion. what a pathetic sourpuss.

Posted May 20, 2014 10:41 am 


te tumbo

“It was taking blood to close to the fight that was the problem. Which is consistent with his belief that taking blood to close to the fight would make him weaker”. so WTF are opponents supposed to do? make an anti-doping exception for Pacquiao*? or also declare their belief that otherwise harmless testing makes them weak? in fact, why not claim that any threatening condition makes them nauseous? Manny’s* phobias are his own and not supported by science or the videotape, e.g., Pacquiao* engaged in a slugfest v. Morales in the final round of a very busy 12-round fight, which refutes any claim that he was “weakened” by blood-testing. if that were the case he would’ve wilted in 8 if not the final round in response to Morales going for the KO. Face It. whether it be fear of losing or dirty tests, Pacquiao* is hiding something. bottomline, there is no credible excuse for rejecting stricter anti-doping testing.

Posted May 20, 2014 10:34 am 


ANON

TARK YOU ARE SO NAIVE . . .

Posted May 20, 2014 10:25 am 


The Truth

Boxing fan

You are a true idiot.Why don’t you compare old and new pics of everyone 10 years ago and now you dumbass everyone is pretty much bigger even your precious Manny P.

Posted May 20, 2014 9:19 am 


matthews

Once again for the slow crowd, Manny didn’t reject unlimited random urine. It was taking blood to close to the fight that was the problem. Which is consistent with his belief that taking blood to close to the fight would make him weaker. Its not what I or anybody else believes its what Manny believes. Logical or not.

Posted May 20, 2014 8:27 am 


Tomato Can

KC, you’re getting more creative, but you still lack the ability to contribute positive posts. WTF, do walk around with a dark cloud above your head?

Posted May 20, 2014 8:18 am 


K.C.

Tumba will also continually repeat your sentences back to you…. Its called parrot syndrome. His parents worked in a circus, dad was a parrot, hence tumba’s condition.

Posted May 20, 2014 7:51 am 


K.C.

Tumba the idiot. Crossed the frontier and found a dictionary. She’s gonna hurt herself using such “big” words…. Tumba, the keyboard coward

Posted May 20, 2014 7:48 am 


Anonymous

Tumbito—if you can’t answer your own question as why, you shouldn’t be posting questions!!

Posted May 20, 2014 7:24 am 


Boxing Fan

Take a look at pictures of Floyd weighing in at 135 from a decade ago and compare them to Floyd at 154 against Canelo. 20 pounds of pure muscle on a tiny little man. All just “hard work and dedication”? Yeah right!

youtube.com/watch?v=_eSL2ZV1V3o

Posted May 20, 2014 6:35 am 


te tumbo

HIDALGo, how and why would Marquez add bulk and muscle to his frame while trying to make 126lbs-130lbs? makes no sense whatsoever. conversely, it becomes common sense being the smallest welter competing v. full-fledged welters. not unlike Manny* who unlike Marquez has consistently rejected stricter and random testing. moreover, the Arizaless Manny* is no longer the tireless mini-hulk he was up to being KTFO by Marquez. it’s simple arithmetic. do the math.

Posted May 20, 2014 6:19 am 


urone2

Demonyo

@Titipa er Titopa: Your argument is moronic. You can walk into so many right hands of a clean Whine Whinewell MarPeds all night with no effect. But a juiced MarPeds will KO you with one punch.

Juice affects the taker not other people. Understand moron?
————————————————————-
I couldn’t resist this guy is slow. He didn’t get the Sarcassum.

Posted May 20, 2014 4:53 am 


peter

It seems jmm just peaks at 40 when much younger floyd and pacman show sign of slowing down….jmm is much better stronger, and increase his power and speed now than 5 years ago while both floyd and pacman is better 5 years ago than now..jmm seems to defy d effect of aging alongside his renown chemist,scientist and ped expert heredia…

Posted May 20, 2014 3:55 am 


Demonyo

MarPeds is not a macho fighter. He runs away from Provodnikov. If he thinks Prov does not add to his legacy then why did he fight Alvarado who was raped in the ring by Provodnikov?

MarPeds is a fraud who imperils the lives of other boxers with his use of steroids. You say what does not kill him he feels he wins? He lost to Mayweather and he admits it, what are you saying?

Marpeds is not special. He was exposed by Bradley. Without his juice he is a sorry as$

Posted May 20, 2014 3:21 am 


Mike Tyson

Peej,

WBC. WBA IBF WBO. TBRB
Floyd Maidana Shawn Porter Manny Pacquiao Floyd
Khan Thurman Kell Brook Timothy Bradley Manny
Maidana Amir Khan Leonard Bundu Frankie Gavinlin Bradley
Leonard BunduFrankie GavinTimothy BradleyAdrien Broner Juan Manuel Marquez

Posted May 20, 2014 3:01 am 


Banterweight class

Finally the truth comes out. Fen glad you arrived. You must be new here. It seems these so called champions fight everyone except who there supposed to fight. Hopkins fighting nobody’s, Mayweather fighting anyone except PAC, all to keep this soap opera story going and now Pedquez in the talks to fight Pac for the whopping 5th time. All comes down to money. Why put yourself at risk fighting someone good like Hopkins or Mayweather is doing. Hopkins gets beat twice by Dawson which that should of been it then, fights two C grade fighters beats them now wants Stevenson ???? Same with Duckweather and Pedquez beats a well done Alvarez now wants PAC. Boycott all PPV’s and live matches. Only watch if it for free. Don’t support this same ol’ crap !

Posted May 20, 2014 2:49 am 


Mike Tyson

PEEJ, PAC a champ Floyd and champ. One from top rank and the other from GBP. Who Floyd has to have Excuses to fight manny. Or even to fight the other half of top rank fighters.

So how come your champ had the hardest fight, and might need a rematch to clear chino. a fighter that Alexander beat in a easy UD . And so did khan a UD And another fighter also have solve the maidana constant pressure. Even you said Floyd get a ko, and boxtra said its a revenge beat for broner. He was fighting for his life , in the slugger trenches, maidana close Floyd boxing down.

If Floyd has trouble with simple slow maidana and his shoulder roll don’t work, nore did his side step ( because it’s better to see the punches coming vs side slipping aka sr mayweather) PAC or Bradley are 3 time points scoring inside than maidana, Even porter might be more dangerous than maidana. Your champ had better stay away from slugger/ boxer and fight only boxer, but khan a boxer that fast is haveing a hard time for a fight and he with GBP.
Floyd stock fell down greatly after that dud fight. After telling broner how to fight Floyd didn’t do any better.

Posted May 20, 2014 2:47 am 


Havoc

It was a lucky punch!!!!!

Posted May 20, 2014 2:27 am 


Havoc

Lucky punch! That’s the reason Marquez is not going to fight Pacman again…..

Posted May 20, 2014 2:26 am 


largo

Fen, i’d answer you but wtf are you?

Posted May 20, 2014 1:26 am 


largo

Marquez is a whiner, like Chavez was, but you have to put that in context; it is that he’s a macho Mexican fighter & he believes in his heart that if you don’t kill him & he’s still standing, he beat you…I totally believe in Juan’s honesty & I don’t think for a second, that he’s doing anything wrong. That’s not in his nature.

Posted May 20, 2014 1:15 am 


Fen

Largo are you kidding or just being like always plain stupid almost near the retarded level. Juan is corrupt like the rest of the racket. Just like behind the shady curtains of Mayweather and Hopkins. All these guys work deals to make MORE money for themselves. If Juan has to make it in this sport by taking PEDS then he will. Don’t think he is so honest that he doesn’t know he’s taking Peds, BULL ! It’s all about the greenbacks baby. The real suckers is the people that pay for this crap and BELIEVE IT. Remember there all corrupt !

Posted May 20, 2014 1:13 am 


PEEJ

Pac isn’t a champ at Welterweight. Floyd is the champ. Pac is a titlest.

Posted May 20, 2014 1:09 am 


largo

Marquez is not a sophisticated guy in any sense & the only way he’d be using anything illegal is if he’s being fed that crap without his knowledge…Juan couldn’t do anything illegal no matter how hard he try…

Posted May 20, 2014 1:04 am 


Telenovela

TARK, not everybody uses them but a lot of athlete in sport do use them and take the risk. Just look at baseball for instance.

Posted May 20, 2014 12:29 am 


Telenovela

This is how boxing should be, laced with more intrigue and mystery. Who took what and who didn’t get caught. This is getting more interesting, I will sure to watch this on PPV.

Posted May 20, 2014 12:27 am 


TARK

People who are professional PED pushers always claim everyone is using them.., They say “you have to use them, everybody else does” … That’s BS.

Some dumb chumps are convinced by that argument, but in reality 95% of boxers wouldn’t risk using PEDs.. They get caught.. They lose the fight retroactively.. They get fined.. They get suspended.

They can even freeze your samples and nail you 5 years later—like they did Lance Armstrong.

They invented new testing procedures that nailed Armstrong cold when they retested his frozen samples many years later … so if you cheat you’re never safe… Plus you damage your health, internal organs, reproductive organs, and die a lot younger.

Plus you don’t need them… All the Olympic and world records that were set in the “steroid era” when steroids and other PEDs were legal, have long since been smashed to smithereens by clean athletes.

Posted May 20, 2014 12:00 am 


Mike Tyson

Break down fighter into they styles there are pure slugger that hatten. Kirtland. Maidana. Rio etc They get experience and become slugger/ boxer Maidana made the change. That started to use his jab. The next stage is experience see he maidana throw ahead of time and know where the target is and can aim it on the fly? That turn you to becoming a b rated fighter. Canelo need to see where to hit so he can’t hit fast top fighter. When he get that he be a threat .
Then there is the boxer he can’t fight inside. Part of the reason is its there style as too wide shoulder made you throw round house punches close.

If you fight a very large guy the safest place is right up close. He can’t hit you but you can used your both your elbow as a punch if he try to grab you.
Boxers can’t fight inside. So slugger / boxer win inside and try to avoid punches coming in.

Posted May 19, 2014 11:39 pm 


The Truth

Its pretty obvious who the cheaters are…….Manny and JMM

Posted May 19, 2014 11:30 pm 


TARK

The Mad Scientist says.., “Pac fans (including Manny himself) no longer want part of any real fights.”

Tim Bradley was a real fight… Bradley sure as Hell beat Marquez in a ww title fight.. Pacquiao beat him with no problem and is the new welterweight champ.

Marquez isn’t champ… and doesn’t want to fight Pac for the title… At least he refused to tell Max Kellerman he was interesting in a 5th fight.

Posted May 19, 2014 11:30 pm 


jwb

All these ped accusations are funny I think. All the Pactards accuse Marquez and all the Marquez fans accuse Manny. Everybody claims to know for sure too. Tell me how actually know for 100% that anybody is or is not using peds. Reality is it is probably more common than people realize. I don’t even care unless it is proven to me one way or the other.

Posted May 19, 2014 11:24 pm 


Mike Tyson

Rio is a slugger. He dangerous. PAC box him. That hit him coming in and exchange inside and side slip with out taking a punch ,over and over.
This is how you fight as slugger you box him. Floyd should have done this to maidana. He took him head on and fit punch back. 200 punches

Posted May 19, 2014 11:16 pm 


Mike Tyson

Mad, slow inexperience alelro made jmm look fast and sharp. Even jmm said he slow above 144lb he was slower I predicted this win easily as jmm is just below Bradley in my ranking because of punch output and size and speed. He should beat a c rated fighter and ko him.

The top fighter are close fight and they struggle that normal.
Floyd struggle with maidana is not right. Should have been a easy win.

Posted May 19, 2014 11:10 pm 


The Mad Scientist

According to many here Brandon Rios is a bum and Pac still didn’t dare to trade shots with him..

Posted May 19, 2014 11:09 pm 


Pacfan2009

And we all know Pac wouldn’t want to give JMM any excuses by taking blood too close to the fight. That could weaken JMM.

Posted May 19, 2014 11:02 pm 


The Mad Scientist

te tumbo said it best..the “Arizaless” Pacquiao is finally beginning. To look and fight like the feather among welters he’s always been..this could be much easier for the 41 year old Marquez if a 5th fight takes place

Posted May 19, 2014 11:01 pm 


Mike Tyson

And alverlo is a c -rated fight even prov a better c-rated beat him. Why was alverlo trying to box jmm? That why he a c- rated fighter.

Jmm wanted a safe fight. He said he wanted a belt and turn down porter offer. If you want to see this fight. Ok let’s see it but don’t complain if he lose as he need a Jo to win from a champ or 7-9 round.

And don’t complain as you will fight every day defending jmm the talk will be about steroid every day .
Are you up for this? For the long haul.
I wouldn’t bother but Packard will.

Think ahead bra,

Posted May 19, 2014 11:01 pm 


Pacfan2009

Ha ha, Pac ain’t afraid of no PEDs! Pac don’t need no conditions. Besides normal testing catches cheats. And also, Pac knows that JMM doesn’t know what heredia gives him, so there shouldn’t be an issue. Pac will knock JMM’s block off next time!

Posted May 19, 2014 11:00 pm 


The Mad Scientist

You can throw a million punches but what’s the point if a real fight doesn’t break out..btw, there is a big difference exchanging punches with Bradley and Marquez

Posted May 19, 2014 10:57 pm 


Superman

Marquez needs to ditch his strength and conditioning coach Heredia and have a restraining order against them both so they wont come into contract within 5 miles of each others. This should be PAC’s condition if they do a PAC vs JMM 5

Posted May 19, 2014 10:54 pm 


Mike Tyson

Mad Scientist, PAC and Bradley was a close to 1,000 punch throw from both fighters . No fight had that much punch thrown. In a long time .They average about 60-80 punches a round. Even floyd throw about 500-600 a fight So what are you talking about afraid to exchange ?

Posted May 19, 2014 10:49 pm 


Superman

Superman Marquez at age 40 is super strong. Even Pacquiao who is said to be a strong puncher never stopped anyone in 5 years even moving up in weight class and as he age, his stopping power has declined even more. Contrast that to Marquez, Marquez seemed to be doing the opposite. Marquez must be a born-again Boxer.

Posted May 19, 2014 10:46 pm 


The Mad Scientist

What happen to all those fools who said Marquez will struggle with Mike Alvarado..wasn’ it you turds who said Juan don’t have the ability to compete effectively against naturally stronger bigger men the way Pac did..

Posted May 19, 2014 10:43 pm 


The Truth

Fight afiscianado

Were you the one that started those rumors….its OK though you can’t ruin Mayweathers great career with rumors.

Posted May 19, 2014 10:37 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Pac learned from the KO, Pac is a much better fighter now because he don’t take chances, Pac will outbox Marquez in the 5th fight..Pac wont make the same mistake (wich makes me think what you tards were thinking about what Manny can do different to improve his performance from the 3rd fight)..all this sounds to me like you boys are admitting Pacquiao has been reduced to a gun shy fighter with a fragily chin..

Posted May 19, 2014 10:36 pm 


Fighter87

@ Lone Turbo

K2 are cheaters.

Posted May 19, 2014 10:31 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Pacfan2009 -I agree, what has happen to you pacfans..I remember you guys use to take pride in bragging about how no other fighter in the planet (around Manny’s weight class) had the balls to go toe to toe with Manny Pacquiao..fast forward today and listen to you fanboy worshipers..sounds to me like you guys (including Manny himself) no longer want part of any real fights..

Posted May 19, 2014 10:26 pm 


Mike Tyson

That another reason why we don’t want jmm and pac fight 5. We get Ped talk every day for 1/2 year And the Final week. 5 article about the fight every day. This will drive everyone bonker before it over.
Want that?

Posted May 19, 2014 9:57 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“The only drug Free fighter worth a damn Floyd “Money” Mayweather. Never any suspicions of PED usage.” – Actually there were rumors he tested positive twice in out of comp testing but they never reported the results. I have no idea if it’s true or not, but there were suspicions and news articles about it.

Posted May 19, 2014 9:48 pm 


TARK

People who leveled cheating innuendo against Pacman, guys like Floyd Mayweather… Oscar De La Hoya… Richard Schaffer… and others, had to retract their statements, apologize to Pacquiao, and pay heavy fines for their completely bogus… untruthful… and hateful allegations.

Posted May 19, 2014 9:36 pm 


TARK

Marquez would never take PEDs. He’s the type of man who would never cheat. JMM would die first. He will also give a decent guy a 2nd chance—I’m talking about Angel Heredia. Heredia did everything the authorities asked of him to shut down PED pushers and nail users. Marquez appreciated that cooperation.

Marquez doesn’t pay attention to gossip, or to guilt by association. He could GAF less what rumor mongers talk about on the Internet. The only person whose respect and approval he needs is God’s—because between God and man, man is the fallible party. Men get facts misconstrued often … and in reprehensible fashion.

There are enough boxers who’ve tested dirty. No reason to smear honest guys.

Pacquiao is another totally honest man. He would never cheat and obviously agreed to do any type of drug testing Floyd wanted several years ago. He said he would even test between rounds if that’s what Floyd wanted. The reason Floyd doesn’t want to fight Pacquiao has nothing to do with drug testing, money splits, or Bob Arum… Those are all excuses… The reason is the relative risk that Floyd coud lose his “O” with only 3 more fights to go.

Posted May 19, 2014 9:22 pm 


Banterweight class

How does a 40 plus yr old punch like a middle weight ? Answer – by sticking the juice needle in him

Posted May 19, 2014 9:17 pm 


Gus now

Hopkins is a dirtbag a low life liar who beats bums up. Then calls himself great

Posted May 19, 2014 9:09 pm 


Fred

Pedquez the cheater, the juicer. Just like Bernard Hopkins who fights dirty Pedquez juices

Posted May 19, 2014 9:07 pm 


Titopa

Demonyo – Is your name Pacfan? I wasn’t talking to you, and since you can’t even reply without calling me a moron don’t expect another reply from me.

Posted May 19, 2014 9:06 pm 


Demonyo

@Titipa er Titopa: Your argument is moronic. You can walk into so many right hands of a clean Whine Whinewell MarPeds all night with no effect. But a juiced MarPeds will KO you with one punch.

Juice affects the taker not other people. Understand moron?

Posted May 19, 2014 8:56 pm 


Pacfan2009

Wow even Matthews no longer agrees with me about PEDs not being a real issue. What has happened to us Pac fans. Who would have thunk that we would be worried about someone else’s use of PEDs?

Posted May 19, 2014 8:54 pm 


The Truth

The only drug Free fighter worth a damn Floyd “Money” Mayweather. Never any suspicions of PED usage.A True champion and Ambassador to the great sport of Boxing…….TBE

Posted May 19, 2014 8:00 pm 


te tumbo

Pacquiao* said he feared weakness due to blood-loss associated with testing and conveniently cited his loss v. Morales as the example. you know(?). the fierce 12-round bout that ended with an all-out slugfest in the final round. it was all the weakened(?) Pacquiao* could muster.

Posted May 19, 2014 7:45 pm 


matthews

Prince, where did you see a quote where Pac said he was scared of needles. Or was it the quote where Arum said “I dont know, I think he is scared of needles or something.” On that other boxing site.

Posted May 19, 2014 7:33 pm 


matthews

Out of the previous 3 fights JMM hit pac with plenty of right hands and all of the sudden at the age of 40 he develops into a power punching knockout artist when that was never his deal. The dude drinks piss.

Posted May 19, 2014 7:28 pm 


The Prince

typo = other fighters.

Posted May 19, 2014 7:28 pm 


The Prince

This is why a lot of Pacquiao fans lose creditability. They swear Pacquiao, afraid of needles Pacquiao, is so pure and innocent when he refused Floyd’s random drug testing demands. But claim Marquez is a PED cheat because he improved as a fighter at 147. Pacquaio demands other fights to take drug tests without him doing so and that’s okay. But anyone demanding Pacquiao take a drug test are just looking for excuses because they’re afraid to fight him? Paquiao’s fans don’t do him any favors. Truth is, like Top Rank, Pacquiao’s fans thought Marquez was done when the third fight happened, only to discover that Marquez was far from done and got the definitive win over Pacquiao in the fourth fight.

Posted May 19, 2014 7:25 pm 


Titopa

Pacfan2014 – So the PED’s Marquez supposedly took made Pacquiao walk into a right hand shot?? Guess I should take PED’s too, if it makes my opponent run into my fists then I need PED’s ASAP!!!

Posted May 19, 2014 7:18 pm 


Lone Turbo-Hamster and Cub

Vitali wasn`t for anabolic steroids, he was for corticosteroids – big difference.

Posted May 19, 2014 7:15 pm 


Ok

Floyd is fights

better fighters than Manny, Canelo world champion, Marcos Champion even Guerrero. Manny struggles with Bradley and gets KTFO by Marquez he has to fight the same fighters over and over to win. Marquez has his number people always compare the two but there is none. One has 5 losses the other is undefeated next…

Posted May 19, 2014 7:13 pm 


Pacfan2009

Oh, my bad. Well everyone use to agree with me. :(

Posted May 19, 2014 7:05 pm 


Pacfan2014

Pacfan2009, you’re a moron! Marquez is on PEDs that’s how he KTFO of pacman.

Posted May 19, 2014 7:04 pm 


Pacfan2009

Worrying about PEDs is for pussies. It’s all about working hard and having faith in god.

Posted May 19, 2014 7:02 pm 


te tumbo

“Shane Mosley was never officially caught either”. not necessary. his videotaped grand-jury confession was enough. no telling why there was no official follow-up by any commission or sanctioning body. other than proceeding to line Shane up for every big-money matchup at welter and middle.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:57 pm 


Hecdog

Mosley admited to using EPO on camera. Youtube it.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:54 pm 


te tumbo

there’s no telling who may emerge as a welter champ between now and September/November/December 2014. it’s the title not the fighter that Marquez wants. whether it be Pacquiao*, Porter, or somebody else the entire division is in play for Marquez with the glaring exception of Mayweather who Punkuiao* won’t agree to face even once.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:52 pm 


Tomato Can

I think it’s hilarious that fans complain about 40 and 50 year old fighters taking PEDs. Theses are old farts that should be beaten by thier younger opponents no excuses.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:51 pm 


matthews

Shane Mosley was never officially caught either. And if you remember Pac agreed to unlimted around the clock urine testing it was the blood he wanted a cutoff date. JMM drinks his own piss for an advantage. He is special.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:48 pm 


Hecdog

Marquez looked awesome against a blood n guts warrior, and any loser saying that he was on something has to apply the same attitude toward Pacquiao… because neither guy has ever tested positive for anything.
Mayweather does not even enter the PED argument because he has been doing random testing for EVERY SINGLE FIGHT SINCE 2009 when Pacquiao backed out of a 50/50 $plit because he wanted a 21-day cutoff and Mayweather only would allow for a 14-day cutoff of random blood and urine testing.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:36 pm 


Titopa

Hecdog is on the loose and he’s crying and whining again!

Posted May 19, 2014 6:22 pm 


matthews

And in reality JMM has no where to go but Pac 5. He is balking on that. What is he gonna do to try to get a 5th title. He already got schooled by Bradley. Porter would beat him for less money. Pac is still the A side. So JMM can beg for another fight or retire.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:08 pm 


te tumbo

WARNING: Tumbo troll on the loose.

I’m not posting any more or this thread, so if you see anything else under my name, it’s the troll.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:07 pm 


te tumbo

Stop it! You are sad, man!

Posted May 19, 2014 6:05 pm 


te tumbo

I didn’t say that last thing about a troll on the loose. … Some troll imitating me.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:05 pm 


te tumbo

WARNING: multiposting Tumbo troll on the loose!

Posted May 19, 2014 6:03 pm 


SOME BOXERS WHO GOT CAUGHT

Innocent till proven guilty.

Here are some who WERE found guilty:

James Toney (Boldenone & stanozolol)

Roy Jones Jr (Androstenedione)

Antonio Tarver (Drostanolone)

Shane Mosley (Tetrahydrogestrinone)

Vitali Klitschko (Anabolic steroids)

Ricardo Mayorga (Furosemide)

Evander Holyfield (Elevated testosterone, HGH & Saizen)

Lamont Peterson (Synthetic Testosterone)

Orlando Salido (Nandrolone)

Adre Berto (Norandrosterone)

Posted May 19, 2014 6:02 pm 


te tumbo

Obviously he is. He wants Pacquiao’s babies.

Posted May 19, 2014 5:59 pm 


Rich

No… I mean: YES!

Posted May 19, 2014 5:58 pm 


Anonymous

yup! that one saaaad dude all right…bet he has posters of pacman on his bedroom walls n shet

Posted May 19, 2014 5:50 pm 


Boxing Fan

Yes he is.

Posted May 19, 2014 5:48 pm 


HECDOG IS TRULY THE SADDEST LOSER EVER IN THE HISTORY OF ESB. PLEASE VOTE: YES OR NO?

That’ll be a YES!

Posted May 19, 2014 5:46 pm 


matthews

JMM drinks his own piss to get an advantage. Thats all that needs to be said.

Posted May 19, 2014 5:39 pm 


Hecdog

Gentlemen, Ped Man Marquez is simply a tarnished fighter that continues to ridicule the sport of boxing. Angel Hereida, the muscle bound physique, the newly found power, the tantrums he has with Hereida, the back and forth I’ll never fight Manny, I will fight Manny, the acne and the simple fact that fighters don’t continue to have these things as they advance in age. Why do you think Jones, Toney, Mosely and other top fighters made the choice to use Peds. Ped Man Marquez is a tarnished man and everyone knows it. People are not dumb. This is another ego maniac that can’t come to terms with this declining physical tools. I recall watching this guy before he fought Manny Pacquiao the forth time, and he looked like an old beaten up man getting ready to retire after he beat a Russian fighter in Mexico. He was done. And since that fight as he got together with Hereida, everything has changed. Ped Man Marquez will eventually be exposed as I’ve said, but it will be difficult. Just go ahead and read what Hereida had to say about how he masks things, and I mean all things. Hereida went from a PED Supplier to the USA Olympic Track and Field team, to SNITCH so that he could receive anonymity, and finally he weaseled his way to the boxing world. And who else other than a man that was losing it all, and wanted to regain this youth by any means. Juan Manuel “Ped Man” Marquez sold his soul to the devil. And he took the opportunity to fight without having any testing done and selected a perfect fighter to face. He picked a much bigger, slower, one dimensional, on the way out Mike Alvarado to make himself look good. He wanted the boxing fans to be fascinated by watching him take on a much bigger man. Sorry Ped Man, you are not the fighter and person I met years ago, but as we all know, all things eventually come to light.

Posted May 19, 2014 5:27 pm 


Now, shall we leave it at that folks?

Thanks!

Posted May 19, 2014 5:13 pm 


Some boxers who, so far as we know, have not been caught, and may or may not use/have used PEDs

Juan Manuel Marquez

Manny Pacquiao

Floyd Mayweather Jr

Posted May 19, 2014 5:12 pm 


Some boxers who got caught

James Toney (Boldenone & stanozolol)

Roy Jones Jr (Androstenedione)

Antonio Tarver (Drostanolone)

Shane Mosley (Tetrahydrogestrinone)

Vitali Klitschko (Anabolic steroids)

Ricardo Mayorga (Furosemide)

Evander Holyfield (Elevated testosterone, HGH & Saizen)

Lamont Peterson (Synthetic Testosterone)

Orlando Salido (Nandrolone)

Adre Berto (Norandrosterone)

Posted May 19, 2014 5:09 pm 


te tumbo

“We all know Juan Marquez is using”. too bad for Pactards* then that Manny* is opposed to stricter anti-doping tests. otherwise, “any test, any time. i’ve got nothing to hide” remains Marquez’s position regarding testing.

Posted May 19, 2014 4:42 pm 


boxing studio

A picture is worth a thousand words. Evidence in itself. Marquez is using !

Posted May 19, 2014 4:36 pm 


Bantorweight class

Ask any bodybuilder anabolic taker. Even cycyling through training you can still get this ——Extreme overdosage of PED’s will cause pimples and zits of the worse kind. We all know Juan Marquez is using .

Posted May 19, 2014 4:35 pm 


te tumbo

B RED, i dig but Marquez has options. he can either KO Napman* or simply box and punch Pacquiao* silly for 12 rounds. everyone seems to have forgotten Manny’s* desperate praying between rounds and dejected walk back to his corner withOut raised arms following the final bell of III. in fact, it’s the primary reason that Pacquiao* FInally agreed to rematch Marquez in IV and we all know how that turned out. “POWuuuu!” . . . (thud!) . . . zzzzzzzzzzz . . . zzzzzzzzzzz . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .

Posted May 19, 2014 4:34 pm 


B Red

Marquez will put Pac to sleep again,ya dig

Posted May 19, 2014 4:05 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, i only question the integrity of fighters who reject a MUTUALLY-Applied testing condition. otherwise, if neither fighter requests it, i’m not suggesting that it become mandatory for every fighter and every fight . . . yet.

Posted May 19, 2014 3:44 pm 


te tumbo

“Why should Pacq or JMM have to take any more test that aren’t relevant…..They have both taken the tests required of them and passed….What more do you want . . .” DIK, has a point. in fact, it was the Manny* fanboy line until Marquez detonated a fistful of “DINAMITA” in Napman’s* blinking mug. nonetheless, there is no credible reason to reject ANY additional and MUTUALLY-Applied anti-doping testing condition, which is what Pacquiao* did to avoid Mayweather and a $25-$50 million payday. not to mention enduring P4P glory. after all, how could Mayweather possibly know that stricter anti-doping protocol would become a deal-breaker for Pacquiao*? . . . HOW?

Posted May 19, 2014 3:39 pm 


teepee

Ken Smith mark Mcguire also was caught

Posted May 19, 2014 3:17 pm 


teepee

Jmm passed the Olympic style test pac was Afraid to take it well passed up 4 mil over the test plus don’t want to see them fight again it old why don’t they fight some champs take a risk and not this bs fight the same old fight

Posted May 19, 2014 3:16 pm 


Hecdog

“Ken Smith

Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds on and on Marion jones all Ped takers that have been caught, …oh you can include Juan Marquez too

Posted May 19, 2014 12:13 pm”
Marquez is as clean as Pacquiao

Posted May 19, 2014 3:05 pm 


Rebel 227

Wow…I do see some zits on Marquez’s chest…hmmmm…not really sure what to make of that. Steroids or adult acne???

Posted May 19, 2014 2:35 pm 


Fight Aficionado

No out of comp drug testing for this fight, but there was for the Bradley bout. That gave Marquez the green light to resume gearing up so he got a massive case of acne. Heredia forgot the anti-zit treatment, which is important otherwise 90% of the obvservers know what’s up without any test. The other 10% are Marquez fans who don’t want to acknowledge the obvious.

Posted May 19, 2014 2:16 pm 


Ken Smith

Titopa – Angel Heredia do I need to say more ? This guy is the kingpin of Ped dealing. Get real ! Herdia just being with JMM shows JMM is dirty as sin !

Posted May 19, 2014 2:11 pm 


Fight Aficionado

LOL massive acne on his chest, who does Marquez think he’s tricking? 40 year olds rarely get acne but it’s a common side effect of steroids. Combine that with his bizarre physical transformation from a featherweight without muscle mass or definition into a body builder’s physique and Angel Heredia’s involvment and it’s obv what’s going on here.

Posted May 19, 2014 1:55 pm 


Anonymous

Well Acne is ugly.

Posted May 19, 2014 1:45 pm 


Jay Z vs Solange

This sh!t is getting old.

Posted May 19, 2014 1:25 pm 


Anonymous

Tumbo has to find a new reason to dislike manny now, or go back to the greatest ko ever.LOL……

Posted May 19, 2014 1:20 pm 


Anonymous

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Posted May 19, 2014 1:12 pm 


Mike Tyson

Last one they did test also for Bradley fight.
MANILA, Philippines — Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley will undergo random, unannounced drug testing leading up to their anticipated April 13 (Manila time) rematch in Las Vegas.
Nevada Athletic Commission chairman Francisco Aguilar announced the development on Saturday while Top Rank honcho Bob Arum said he would fund the cost of the rigorous and enhanced testing.
The series of tests will be handled by the World Anti-doping Agency and will include carbon isotope ratio testing and isotope ratio mass spectrometry to detect exogenous testosterone.
It will also administered on fight day at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.
“It’s complete WADA testing of everything from soup to nuts, the results will go to the commission,” Arum said in a report by The Ring’s Lem Satterfield.
Pacquiao has started his training here in the Philippines, but Arum said the testers would still able to collect samples from the Filipino boxing champion.
Bradley and Pacquiao will be disputing the WBO Welterweight title. The last time they met in June 2012, it ended in a controversial split decision win by the American boxer.

Posted May 19, 2014 1:09 pm 


Mike Tyson

While negotiations for the April 12th rematch between eight division world champion Manny Pacquiao and current WBO title holder Tim Bradley were taking place, many media outlets reported that the decision to implement drug testing once again became a controversial issue.

Due to the fact that the current 147 pound champion prefers and voluntarily elects to participate in the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) drug screening program, curiosity among Pacquiao’s harshest critics was stoked when Top Rank CEO Bob Arum announced that his fighter’s drug testing procedure would be supervised by WADA (World Anti Doping Agency) instead.

The current Welterweight Champion set the record straight during a recent conference call with the always inquisitive boxing media.

“Just to clear things up, Manny didn’t care what testing we were doing,” clarified Timothy Bradley.”

“He was willing to do VADA or WADA, so there was no argument as far as the testing goes.”

I just chose to do the VADA testing to stick by what I have tried to set out to do and that’s to clean up the sport and making sure that a lot of these guys are getting tested.”

“The Nevada State Athletic Commission decided they didn’t want VADA representing us, and that they wanted to use the same procedure we did in the Marquez fight, which was WADA. It was very successful in that fight so they wanted to stick with it and not mess around with VADA.”

Although the NSAC prefers to use the World Anti-Doping Agency to oversee its most stringent testing processes for fights that attract the most attention to the sport, “Desert Storm” felt strongly about staying consistent with his decision to participate in his customary anti-drug program for each and every fight.

“I am doing double testing just to prove to everybody that I am a clean fighter and am willing to do whatever with hard work and dedication, which is how I got to this position.”

The long awaited rematch to their controversial first meeting will finally go down on Saturday, April 12th, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada.

The highly anticipated event will be promoted by Top Rank, Inc, in association with MP Promotions and Tecate, and will be produced and distributed live by HBO Pay-Per-View beginning at 9:00 PM EST/6:00 PM PST.

Posted May 19, 2014 1:03 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Pacquiao gets ktfo and the PED experts on this site doubles

Posted May 19, 2014 1:00 pm 


Mike Tyson

 

Three weeks after Brandon Rios suffered an embarrassing loss to Manny Pacquiao in Macau, China, the former lightweight world titlholder and junior welterweight contender took another shot.

Rios failed his post-fight drug test after the match on Nov. 23. As a result, he has been suspended for five months from the day of the fight by the China Professional Boxing Organization.

Rios, who passed four of the VADA-administered tests leading up to his match against Pacquiao, tested positive afterward for the banned substance methylexanamine – a stimulant that is commonly known as dimenthylamylamine or DMAA and has been used in dietary supplements.

Bob Arum of Top Rank, the promoter for Pacquiao and Rios, confirmed that Rios had failed the post-fight drug test.

“There was a little something in his urine after the fight,’’ Arum said. “It was something they (VADA) reported to the Chinese commission after the fight. He passed all the tests before that. It wasn’t a steroid. It was probably something he took to make weight.’’      

Dr. Margret Goodman, the head of VADA, confirmed that Pacquiao passed all five of the tests administered by the organization and that Rios had passed only four of the five. The results of the tests were forwarded to the Chinese boxing commission, the Association of Boxing Commissions, and the two boxers and their representatives.

Robert Garcia, Rios’ trainer, said he hadn’t been informed of a failed drug test.

“This is the first I’m hearing about it,’’ Garcia said. “I haven’t heard that.’’

Garcia said he has been focused on preparing Marcos Maidana for his 12-round welterweight championship match against Adrien Broner at the Alamodome on Saturday night. He said he will concentrate on that match and deal with the Rios matter afterward.

Rios was working for the first time with Alex Ariza, the former fitness coach for Pacquiao. Since returning from Macau, Ariza has been in the Oxnard, Calif., training camp helping Maidana prepare for Broner.

Ariza, who spoke to a group of reporters at the weigh-in in San Antonio on Friday, questioned the timing of the news of Rios’ failed test becoming public and the way the post-fight urine sample was collected.

“The containers that are used to retrieve the urine samples weren’t available after the fight. So they had Brandon pee into a (drinking) glass,’’ Ariza told the reporters. “Robert just brought that to my attention. So we will have to see whether something happened as they transferred it to another glass, or whether it was the drinking glass, or there could be a lot of contaminants like that.”

“I’m not saying that they did that, I’m just saying I don’t know why we went through four testings, and we never tested positive for anything. And then, all of a sudden, there is some kind of dietary supplement that supposedly you can get in an energy drink. … But I don’t know, because I haven’t seen the list.”

The Food and Drug Administration has warned supplement makers that DMAA is considered a dangerous substance after the deaths of five people who took supplements that contained it.

The U.S. Army said two soldiers who suffered fatal heart attacks during training in 2011 had DMAA in their systems. As a result, the U.S. Army pulled supplements that contained the substance from store shelves on army bases.

“It’s not a performance enhancing drug. It’s not any of those illegal things,’’ Ariza said. “It’s something that you can buy over the counter. In China, maybe he ate something. It could have been any of those things. It’s a dietary supplement. … I don’t really know.”

It is not clear what type of suspension Rios will receive for testing positive. Since China doesn’t recognize professional boxing, Arum said the WBO, which sanctioned the match, helped set up a boxing commission for Macau so VADA would have a regulatory body to report to. Top Rank has been one of the more proactive boxing promotion companies in using VADA to test boxers in high-profile events for performance enhancing drugs.

The VADA report was sent to Leon P. Panoncillo, Jr., a WBO official who set up the Macau commission. He did not respond to an email seeking comment on Rios’ positive test. 

The Association of Boxing Commissions was also sent the results of the VADA tests. Tim Lueckenhoff, the head of the ABC, said he had not seen the results yet.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:58 pm 


Mike Tyson

VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency) has issued an official statement confirming that both Manny Pacquiao and Brandon Rios have been tested twice with still a month before their November 23 clash in Macau, China.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:56 pm 


Mike Tyson

Tumbo remember I said PAC and rio took blood and pee test by vada well pac pass the test.
Just a picture and this on there web page. Rio had trouble.

Vada-Testing.org
December 9, 2013 ·
Congratulations to Manny Pacquiao on successfully completing VADA testing.

Manny Pacquiao
The Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA).
VADA-TESTING.ORG|BY ADMINISTRATOR

Posted May 19, 2014 12:53 pm 


Titopa

Ken Smith – When was Marquez caught?? If anyone was even close to “caught” it was Pacquiao, he said “No” to better testing and his own coach (Roach) admitted Ariza was giving Pac something, he said “he would give him these drinks, I would ask him what was in it but he never told me, Ariza is shady”.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:47 pm 


Titopa

Only ONE man said “NO” to better testing, and we ALL know what that man is. Therefore, HE is the only one who’s suspect.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:43 pm 


BUSTAJAY

Well you need to set up a pay pal account and do all PPV rd by rd for an easy $5.00 a pop…LOL

Posted May 19, 2014 12:42 pm 


Anonymous

Fighter87 shut your mouth you retard.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:38 pm 


Anonymous

Fraud Ducky Duckweather, king of the duckers.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:37 pm 


Joseph Herron

BUSTAJAY: “Joseph, James had a valid point. The current market is over saturated with PPV fights so of course the final numbers continue to drop. We need more Showtime and HBO fights that don’t create $300.00 cable bills.”

Unfortunately, fighters are over pricing their market value and the consumers are making a statement. Fighters are demanding very large purses that the networks aren’t willing to guarantee without PPV revenue.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:28 pm 


Ken Smith

Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds on and on Marion jones all Ped takers that have been caught, …oh you can include Juan Marquez too

Posted May 19, 2014 12:13 pm 


Rich

Fighter87…..In a court of law it is called the benefit of the doubt……

Posted May 19, 2014 12:09 pm 


BUSTAJAY

Joseph
James had a valid point. The current market is over saturated with PPV fights so of course the final numbers continue to drop. We need more Showtime and HBO fights that don’t create $300.00 cable bills.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:07 pm 


Rebel 227

The question is, does anyone really want to see a fifth fight of pac and Marquez?

Posted May 19, 2014 12:06 pm 


Anonymous

Rich,exactly right on the money

Posted May 19, 2014 12:05 pm 


largo

I don’t know if Marquez is dirty or not but that sizzling right hand of his would put Pac to sleep one more time.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:01 pm 


Rich

Why should Pacq or JMM have to take any more test that aren’t relevant…..They have both taken the tests required of them and passed….What more do you want,what exactly are the test that you Turdo would like instituted,what would cure you of your insatiable demands…..Floyd could not bring any proof, where is yours….and even if they passed all your stringent test I suspect someone of your mean character would still be unsatisfied and think of something more morose to demand

Posted May 19, 2014 11:49 am 


BUSTAJAY

HAHAHAHA
JR walking around in his living room training in the tightly whites….too funny
Why turn that amount of cash?
Ummmmmm……weed dulls the mind people

Posted May 19, 2014 11:49 am 


Fighter87

@ tumbo, exactly!
bottomline, there is no credible excuse for not agreeing to stricter and harmless anti-doping testing. Pacquiao’s* refusal to routinely do so exposes him as the shadiest and most suspect fighter in the sport today.

Posted May 19, 2014 11:27 am 


George

Ance is a side effect of the chemicals Juan Marquez has been taking. It’s a reaction of the kidneys. He wont live a full life. It’s obvious and its 100 percent !

Posted May 19, 2014 11:08 am 


BUSTAJAY

Happy Bday to the brothers
No cake…LOL

Posted May 19, 2014 11:07 am 


Jo jo

PEDquez the ultimate in masking anabolic 41 yr old fighter. A chemist dream come true.

Posted May 19, 2014 11:06 am 


RapidFire

Te tumbo- Right on point

Posted May 19, 2014 10:34 am 


te tumbo

Marquez alternately agreeing or suggesting stricter testing completely eliminates any shadow looming over his ring legacy. conversely, panicked excuses of “culture”, “religion”, and “health” not to mention “fear of needles” not held by a tattoo-artist casts a prominent shadow over Pacquiao’s* ring-legacy. whether it be fear or dirty tests, Pacquiao* IS definitely hiding something. bottomline, there is no credible excuse for not agreeing to stricter and harmless anti-doping testing. Pacquiao’s* refusal to routinely do so exposes him as the shadiest and most suspect fighter in the sport today.

Posted May 19, 2014 10:17 am 


teepee

I hope jmm and pac don’t fight again its old already it’s the same old in house bs why don’t they step their game up and fight somebody else

Posted May 19, 2014 10:11 am 


BUSTAJAY

Got my cable bill ,once I returned home, and it was 300.00 bucks due to boxing PPV….Floyd please send me some cash

Posted May 19, 2014 10:03 am 


BUSTAJAY

He can grow a new head….LOL
Mike has been in more explosive fights back to back than any other fighter in the last 18 months.
Mile High Mike needs a nice vacation and a new face

Posted May 19, 2014 9:58 am 


BUSTAJAY

Look at my age, 45, I work out two or three times every week and never got no acne. It is a common side effect of PEDs.

Look I used EM yrs back and you will get some bumps. JMM very shady IMO.

Posted May 19, 2014 9:55 am 


te tumbo

“Same with Pacquiao, he’s NEVER tested positive for anything. Both guys are in the same boat”. Wrong. Pacquiao* has consistently rejected and avoided stricter testing. he has never uttered the words “I will take any test, any time. I have nothing to hide”. accordingly, the name of Marquez’s boat is the “Desired Result”. the name of Pacquiao’s* is “Suspect”, i.e., they are NOT in the same boat. whether it be lack of courage, professional integrity, or dirty tests, Pacquiao* IS hiding something.

Posted May 19, 2014 9:28 am 


SREDMOND

SREDMOND below

Posted May 19, 2014 9:27 am 


Anonymous

PAC Man did not lose because Marquez was cheating, he lost because he got punched dead center in the face… Manny hurt Marquez, bloodied and put him down but just like when they fought at 126 he could not finish his opponent and the HARD azz Mexican lit him up when he came rushing into that right hand..

Posted May 19, 2014 9:27 am 


Hecdog

When has Marquez EVER tested positive for any performance enhancers… NEVER, That’s when.
Same with Pacquiao, he’s NEVER tested positive for anything.
Both guys are in the same boat.
People have suspected both of them for using PEDs, but there’s never been any proof for either one… just SPECULATION.

Posted May 19, 2014 9:01 am 


Demonyo

The only time Whine Manuel MarPeds will win against Pac is when no anti dope testing is done. With the test MarPeds will not win. By the way, it is Heredia who wins.

Posted May 19, 2014 8:12 am 


SREDMOND

People act like you have to be cheating to KO Pacquaio which his BS he had been stopped 2x prior to JMM cleaning his clock.. Margarito who has one of the craziest chins I ever saw got stopped by Shane Mosley on a given night the right shot can cut anyone’s night short.. Fact is that on a given night anyone can get laid out, it’s time to accept that Manny got drilled and stop hating old Marquez for doing it..

Posted May 19, 2014 7:59 am 


Hecdog

Marquez looked awesome…
Any complaints of him using PEDs are pure BS.
If you’re going to accuse him of using them, then you have to paint Pacquiao with the same brush.
There’s the exact same amount of proof for Marquez using PEDs that there is for Pacquiao using PEDs… ZERO. NONE. NADDA. NIL. ZIP. ZILCH.
Both these guys have only ever engaged in random testing once each… and that was last year. Marquez-v-Bradley and Pacquiao-v-Rios both had random testing conducted by the VADA, after that they both went back to regular commision-run dope testing.
I hope my boy Pac thinks twice before getting back in with Marquez, because he is getting hit alot more these days(in particular by the right hand), and Marquez showed the complete package saturday night. His legs looked alot sturdier than they have in a long time(since his days as undisputed 135 pound champion).
I also don’t think Freddie Roach moving Pacquiao back down to 140 will do any good, because Marquez can still easily make that weight, where as it may be a bit of a strain on Pacquiao to get there.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:03 am 


Hecdog

Hope my boy Manny avoids Marquez at this stage.
Marquez looked great saturday night, alot more fluid than he’s been in recent fights.
Alvarado ain’t exactly a bum, and Marquez made him look like ordinary.
Pacquiao better run from a 5th fight because Marquez has his movement back.
His legs looked alot sturdier than they did in the 4th(maybe even 3rd) Pacquiao fight and Bradley fight.
He was back to using combinations as well, and seemed to still retain his newfound power.
As for all the dummies claiming that Marquez was “on something” because of the acne on his body… rewatch the first Marquez/Pacquiao fight from 2004… he had acne on his body then as well.
There’s as much evidence to suggest Marquez is on some sort of performance enhancer that there is to suggest Manny was….. ZIP, ZERO, ZILCH, NIL, NADDA.

Posted May 19, 2014 6:00 am 


Demonyo

Acne, Heredia, sudden one-punch ko power, with all these, are you saying Whine Manuel MarPeds is not doping? Don’t make it hard for your brain. The facts are all there to see.

With sudden power comes sudden acne. Thanks Heredia, you’re such a fvcking dope genius!

Posted May 19, 2014 4:52 am 


Zuks

@Danni: Ariza also gave him something to drink which Roach didn’t even know!

Posted May 19, 2014 4:00 am 


Zuks

Since his KO win over Manny, he has been accused of using PED’s.

WOW!

Double standard!

Posted May 19, 2014 3:59 am 


Peanut Butter and Jelly Time

Pacnuts and Mayberry should get together, add some juice in there, and make a great lunch for the fans.

Posted May 19, 2014 2:13 am 


Danni

when fighters move up in weight there is a tendency that they will lose speed and stamina and that their power will diminish the higher up they go.

Some guys, just powerful. How powerful as they move up? Not sure.
But stamina and speed, tends to fade as the weight increases. That didn’t happen with Pac. Remember, he won his first title at Flyweight. So either he grew into a certain weight class, say, 125, and then from there, the addition of Fortune and later Ariza, helped him improve his weight while keeping his stamina and speed gave as he moved up, thus giving him the advantage that others in the past didn’t have and many still don’t have because maybe they are with the wrong trainers……or….

Posted May 19, 2014 1:01 am 


Danni

Ceferino Garcia started at what weight?

Posted May 19, 2014 12:56 am 


BiggBoosssMan

It is not suspicious and it is not unprecedented for a guy with Pacquiao’s physical stature to do that since some other Filipino boxer in the past with similar physical stature like Pacquiao have gone up in weight to become a middleweight champion. Read about Ceferino Garcia on wikipedia by googling “Ceferino Garcia”.

He didn’t have those signs of decline then during that time period, but the point that I was making is that, if you pit a smaller guy against a bigger guy, surely an ordinary boxer would not fare well against the much bigger guy, but pacquiao fared well against those guys u mentioned not because of Ariza but because he simply was able to offset that size disadvantage by his talent of speed, stamina, volume punch, etc. which are the most often thing that his opponent mention when asked why they lose against pac.

Hehe nice try with the ariza and heredia

Posted May 19, 2014 12:50 am 


Danni

BiggBoosssMan

It’s all maybe’s but the one fact that is missing in all that maybe’s is that Marquez has a strength and conditioning coach that is a proven to be PED peddlers who have administered ped to known and admitted ped users before.
Posted May 19, 2014 12:13 am

Heredia probably shouldn’t be in the sport. I’m not sure what the rules are but if he was a Doctor cheating the system, he would have lost his license and be out.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:42 am 


Danni

the whole thing is crazy. I remember when Ariza was being accused by a fanbase but was seen as innocent. Ariza goes to another camp, Rios fails, and all of a sudden Ariza was dirty and trying to cheat Pac all while forgetting that this is the same trainer that was training Pac for his move up in weight for some time. Starting with blowing out Diaz.

Ariza didn’t know Heredia and then later was seen with him and talking highly of him.

Its like one big dramedy playing out.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:36 am 


Danni

So someone who won his first title at Flyweight, continued to move up and batter much bigger men, something that rarely happens, shouldn’t be seen as suspicious…but someone who won his first title north of Flyweight, known for his one punch power, even when he was a boxer first, puncher second because his style was predicated on I.Q….that is not allowed?

Come on. That’s hypocritical.

Pac didn’t have signs of decline as he moved up in weight to 147. He still had Great Stamina, maybe better, he still had blistering speed, maybe better, and he had strength and power to back it all up that made men like Hatton go out with single shot(s), Cotto battered to the ground, Margarito, faced smashed in, and Mosley, knocked down in a long long time. Then, Ariza leaves and so do some of these attributes.

Maybe it is down to the greatness of “legal” modern science of training and nutrition. After all, Ariza has linked himself with Heredia who he says is clear.

I don’t know, you think someone that refuses additional testing when asked should be let off so easy?

Posted May 19, 2014 12:28 am 


BiggBoosssMan

Danni

BiggBoosssMan

Danni

True, but it is still amusing that their Man when accused was seen as innocent despite possible red flags that they were blind to but when it isn’t their man, those red flags are seen quite clear. Funny how that works. Roach made me laugh with how hypocritical he was on the topic over the years.
Posted May 18, 2014 11:51 pm

Pac was innocent until Floyd judge him to be using something else and the whole thing got spin out of hand
Posted May 19, 2014 12:01 am

Floyd had every right to question the current boxing scene and their failure of proper, updated testing standards. He was however wrong to accuse Pac directly. Pac didn’t make things better with his refusal at first for additional testing and then wanting to negotiate the testing cut-offs. Things got really out of hand then.

And then later, the always amusing Roach, who once bulked at Mayweather’s suggestion that Pac was on something and that improved testing was needed…would later accuse JMM of being on something and that testing would need to be improved.

It went full circle.
Posted May 19, 2014 12:10 am

The thing that motivated Floyd to do that was more on trying to discredit Pacquiao and put a cast of doubt on his recent victories because PAC was beginning to be the it guy at that time and Floyd’s shine was a bit beginning to be over shadowed by PAC’s shine.

Roach has a much more legit to accused JMM camp since JMM camp has recruited the aide of a well know PED pedller.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:20 am 


BiggBoosssMan

It’s all maybe’s but the one fact that is missing in all that maybe’s is that Marquez has a strength and conditioning coach that is a proven to be PED peddlers who have administered ped to known and admitted ped users before.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:13 am 


Danni

BiggBoosssMan

Danni

True, but it is still amusing that their Man when accused was seen as innocent despite possible red flags that they were blind to but when it isn’t their man, those red flags are seen quite clear. Funny how that works. Roach made me laugh with how hypocritical he was on the topic over the years.
Posted May 18, 2014 11:51 pm

Pac was innocent until Floyd judge him to be using something else and the whole thing got spin out of hand
Posted May 19, 2014 12:01 am

Floyd had every right to question the current boxing scene and their failure of proper, updated testing standards. He was however wrong to accuse Pac directly. Pac didn’t make things better with his refusal at first for additional testing and then wanting to negotiate the testing cut-offs. Things got really out of hand then.

And then later, the always amusing Roach, who once bulked at Mayweather’s suggestion that Pac was on something and that improved testing was needed…would later accuse JMM of being on something and that testing would need to be improved.

It went full circle.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:10 am 


Danni

BiggBoosssMan

Danni

And JMM?

Just hit Manny on the sweet spot too, right?

Same with Alvarado (who had already taken some beatings prior).

He didn’t carry it into the Bradley fight.

So he too is about precision, timing, etc, right?
Posted May 18, 2014 11:44 pm

He hit him on the G-Spot on the conclusion of the fight but notice prior to that. He knocked down pacquiao easily like JMM found a new well of strenght. He seemed diff at that fight, like stronger, powerful and more lethal.

On the Bradley fight Bradley was moving around so much JMM couldn’t engaged him in a toe to toe brawl plus Bradleys hiead is tough target to hit.

But if you have precision and timing and lack the pop, what good would that be, unless of course you found a new strength to put more muscle into your punchers.
Posted May 18, 2014 11:59 pm

Maybe it was down to good old strength, condition, and nutrition. Like Pac did when he included Justin Fortune and then later Ariza. And then without Ariza, didn’t quite look the same. Maybe he wasn’t training and eating in the same way as Ariza himself pointed to while still in camp for those last moments.

Pac certainly looked strong against Hatton prior to the KO punch as well as the Cotto fight. Never seen any of those two get beat up like that. Maybe Mayweather took a lot out of Hatton like Roach said. Maybe it was his life-style. Same with Cotto. Maybe. So much to think about.

And maybe not training the way Ariza wanted Pac to train had diminished his ability to take a solid shot and when hit by JMM, now, finally trained by a Pro Strength/Conditioning coach (that Ariza even says is legit, likes, and talks to), when JMM hit him with a perfectly timed punch, he reacted differently. And yes, I”m talking about the first knockdown.

Or maybe boxing does need improved testing for all

Posted May 19, 2014 12:07 am 


Anonymous

LVboxing, Floyd started this steriord, and ped taunting, and they have good reason look at jmm. who are you to preach, or are you a complainer? Why not added something usefull about paulie. Cant think of anything? Goof ball.

Posted May 19, 2014 12:02 am 


BiggBoosssMan

Danni

True, but it is still amusing that their Man when accused was seen as innocent despite possible red flags that they were blind to but when it isn’t their man, those red flags are seen quite clear. Funny how that works. Roach made me laugh with how hypocritical he was on the topic over the years.
Posted May 18, 2014 11:51 pm

Pac was innocent until Floyd judge him to be using something else and the whole thing got spin out of hand

Posted May 19, 2014 12:01 am 


BiggBoosssMan

Danni

And JMM?

Just hit Manny on the sweet spot too, right?

Same with Alvarado (who had already taken some beatings prior).

He didn’t carry it into the Bradley fight.

So he too is about precision, timing, etc, right?
Posted May 18, 2014 11:44 pm

He hit him on the G-Spot on the conclusion of the fight but notice prior to that. He knocked down pacquiao easily like JMM found a new well of strenght. He seemed diff at that fight, like stronger, powerful and more lethal.

On the Bradley fight Bradley was moving around so much JMM couldn’t engaged him in a toe to toe brawl plus Bradleys hiead is tough target to hit.

But if you have precision and timing and lack the pop, what good would that be, unless of course you found a new strength to put more muscle into your punchers.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:59 pm 


Danni

Boxtradamus

all i can say is TRT
Posted May 18, 2014 11:53 pm

TRT isn’t a bad thing. Testosterone supplementation and other steroids aren’t bad when used correctly for medical purposes. Quite life-saving actually.
Of course the debate is about if it should have a place in the sports world, after all, what is fair?

Posted May 18, 2014 11:56 pm 


Boxtradamus

all i can say is TRT

Posted May 18, 2014 11:53 pm 


Danni

True, but it is still amusing that their Man when accused was seen as innocent despite possible red flags that they were blind to but when it isn’t their man, those red flags are seen quite clear. Funny how that works. Roach made me laugh with how hypocritical he was on the topic over the years.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:51 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

Danni

It’s all suspicious. But one can’t be excluded without the others.
Posted May 18, 2014 11:37 pm

Yes but you have to understand that all the guys that post here are either fanboys, haters, fake experts,prankster, jokester, et al. so you can’t expect anyone to be mother terressa when it comes to making comments about a certain boxers.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:48 pm 


LVboxing

Why are Pacquiao fans so irrational and distraught? Marquez always had acne. You think that Marquez’s acne is from PEDS? You guys clearly have not seen the acne that comes from using real peds. Those folks look like mutants. I find it funny that Pacquiao fans also happen to be chemists, nutritionists, biologists and now dermatologists! Accuse Pacquiao of any of this and you hate Pacquiao and you’re dumb. Pathetic. I often wonder why I even come on these boards! I want to discuss the fight and read other viewpoints, but all I ever come across is PEDS, he’s scared, he’s ducking him, conspiracy, Mayweather sucks, Pacquiao is on drugs, Marquez is on drugs, and RACISM! I’m done posting on this site. Clearly you are all children who had horrible parents. Go read and book and become educated.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:47 pm 


Danni

BiggBoosssMan

Pac was all that in the lower weights and he can KO guys in the weight class that was his natural weight class, but like I said, as PAC moved up in weight, his punching power diminished since he is fighting guys that are bigger than him (5th grader vs 10th grader analogy).

For Cotto, PAC seemed to have hit him in the g-spot when Cotto got knocked down, but despite that, it took PAC multiple blows to finally make COtto quit in the later rounds but notice again, PAC couldn’t KO Cotto. PAC KO power in higher division has diminished due to him fighting bigger guy.
Posted May 18, 2014 11:40 pm

And JMM?

Just hit Manny on the sweet spot too, right?

Same with Alvarado (who had already taken some beatings prior).

He didn’t carry it into the Bradley fight.

So he too is about precision, timing, etc, right?

Posted May 18, 2014 11:44 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

Pac was all that in the lower weights and he can KO guys in the weight class that was his natural weight class, but like I said, as PAC moved up in weight, his punching power diminished since he is fighting guys that are bigger than him (5th grader vs 10th grader analogy).

For Cotto, PAC seemed to have hit him in the g-spot when Cotto got knocked down, but despite that, it took PAC multiple blows to finally make COtto quit in the later rounds but notice again, PAC couldn’t KO Cotto. PAC KO power in higher division has diminished due to him fighting bigger guy.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:40 pm 


Danni

It’s all suspicious. But one can’t be excluded without the others.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:37 pm 


Danni

BiggBoosssMan

@Danni PAC Knocked Hatton out simply because PAC hit the G-spot on Hatton. Any ordinary boxer that has a decent punch can knock out any one cold if they hit you in that g-spot area which was where hatton was hit. Same goes for Mosley, PAC simply just grace the g-spot of Mosley that’s why he was knock down and plus Mosley was old already he doesn’t have that same sort of chin as he once was during younger days. On Margarito, or even De LAHOYA, it took PAC multiple blows to touched up MArgarito’s face but notice that Pac never actually knocked him down. Even at those time which PAC was considered to be peak, his punches was only strong enough to do cause some touching up but not enough to KO anyone cold. And now as PAC has aged considerably, his KO power has gone down even more.
Posted May 18, 2014 11:25 pm

Ah, so Pac wasn’t the Mighty Power Puncher many fans seem to think he was and it was down to timing a fighter inside the ring as well as when he fought them…speed, and some pop in his punches?

Pac is more a volume puncher and not a big KO puncher.

Cotto, what about him?

Maybe he wasn’t the same after Margarito?
Or maybe Cotto was always going to be taken out by someone who could stay on him when hurt as we’ve seen in the past, specifically at 140, that he can be taken out “if” the right opponent came along which ended up being Pac. Well, after Margarito of course.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:30 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

@Danni PAC Knocked Hatton out simply because PAC hit the G-spot on Hatton. Any ordinary boxer that has a decent punch can knock out any one cold if they hit you in that g-spot area which was where hatton was hit. Same goes for Mosley, PAC simply just grace the g-spot of Mosley that’s why he was knock down and plus Mosley was old already he doesn’t have that same sort of chin as he once was during younger days. On Margarito, or even De LAHOYA, it took PAC multiple blows to touched up MArgarito’s face but notice that Pac never actually knocked him down. Even at those time which PAC was considered to be peak, his punches was only strong enough to do cause some touching up but not enough to KO anyone cold. And now as PAC has aged considerably, his KO power has gone down even more.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:25 pm 


Danni

BiggBoosssMan

@Reason why PAC power diminished can be attributed mostly to size. PAC is not a big guy for a welterweight fighter. It’s like a 5th grade student fighting a 10th grader. It would be harder for the little fella to KO guys bigger than him.
Posted May 18, 2014 11:14 pm

yes, except he knocked Hatton out Cold, knocked down Iron Chin Mosley and had Shane shaking. He had Margarito’s face smashed in. And Cotto dancing all over the floor. That all coming from someone who won a title at Flyweight.

Explain.

Maybe some guys just are powerful no matter the weight class. Maybe. Maybe.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:17 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

Plus he seemed to have aged also that contributed also to his disadvantage.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:15 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

@Reason why PAC power diminished can be attributed mostly to size. PAC is not a big guy for a welterweight fighter. It’s like a 5th grade student fighting a 10th grader. It would be harder for the little fella to KO guys bigger than him.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:14 pm 


Danni

BiggBoosssMan

How long ago was that? His power diminished already, it’s already been talked about by many people in the sports and pundits.
Posted May 18, 2014 11:04 pm

When Ariza was told to stay in his corner, his power was suddenly seen as diminished…as well as his stamina.

age, maybe. Training, maybe. I don’t know.

Power is said to be the last thing to go. The first fighters that do lose power quicker however are the fighters that rely on speed more than those heavy handed bruiser punchers.

But maybe Pac was never that powerful. Maybe it was all down to speed, perfect timing, and catching fighters at the right time both inside the ring when catching a fighter when he doesn’t see it as well as “timing” in when he fought them.

I don’t know. To much to think about.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:10 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

@Danni untill some testing that works is made available, people will not stop from forming their own opinion on boxers.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:09 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

On the other hand, Marquez seemed to be getting stronger and stronger as he aged.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:07 pm 


Danni

So again, let’s stop throwing around allegations to only one fighter as all are actually in question, sadly. And, it does seem that the debate on additional testing is now over as it is quite clear that it needs to put into place to improve the current testing and update it to whatever is the highest ability. And also set the bar higher for the penalty. Way High.

As long as PED are agreed upon to be illegal, unfair, and not allowed in sports, as to make sure of fair play…then all should be in favor of the highest quality testing with extremely strict penalties if someone is found guilty after a thorough investigation and fair judgement.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:06 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

How long ago was that? His power diminished already, it’s already been talked about by many people in the sports and pundits.

Posted May 18, 2014 11:04 pm 


Ozias

Lmao common sense says Marquez is doping lol. He is a legend and for the last. 2 years of his career he looks like a body builder lol more power to him. And you don’t here Bradley manny or Alvarez crying drug test

Posted May 18, 2014 11:03 pm 


Danni

BiggBoosssMan

So you mean, Pac, the Great Champion who won his first title at “Flyweight” wasn’t able to carry his power up to…what weight?

He seemed might powerful enough to “manage” to put Hatton to sleep.
Or Batter Cotto into the ground. Something Shane Mosley couldn’t do. And speaking of Mosley, Pac was one of maybe two fighters that hurt Shane like that. The other one being the Powerful BIG WW, Vernon Forrest. O’, and how could I forget what happened to Margarito’s face being smashed in.

Yeah. That power diminished. Or did it just diminish of late?

Posted May 18, 2014 11:02 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

Marquez should have used Pro Active Solution to get rip of those unsightly acnes. Or would that cause drug interaction problem?

Posted May 18, 2014 11:01 pm 


Danni

Hecdog

Some people better get some eye glasses. JMM had acne. I had a friend at the fight that saw him up close, and it was acne that flared up as they fought. No doubt about it.
Posted May 18, 2014 10:39 pm

So what, acne is common. Adults still have acne flare-ups. Maybe he shaved poorly. Maybe he was laying down on a dirty mat. Maybe he is going through late onset puberty stage 4. It seems other athletes have done the same. They’re special people. God gives them special powers.

As long as he pasts the tests though, let the commission do their job, right?

Posted May 18, 2014 10:55 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

You’ll never have evidence because high-end designer PEDs cannot not be detected by the most stringent, current testing procedures. These statements from a 2008 interview with Angel Heredia explain the reality and depth of the doping problem in sports like boxing:

SPIEGEL: “Do you have any other secrets?”

Heredia: “Oh yes, of course. There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don’t excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins – epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle…

I’ve created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers.”

SPIEGEL: “Explain how this works.”

Heredia: “Designer drugs are composed of several different chemicals that trigger the desired reaction. At the end of the chain I change one or two molecules in such a way that the entire structure is undetectable for the doping testers.”

Posted May 18, 2014 10:46 pm 


Hecdog

Some people better get some eye glasses. JMM had acne. I had a friend at the fight that saw him up close, and it was acne that flared up as they fought. No doubt about it.

Posted May 18, 2014 10:39 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

Those are hickies from his strenght and conditioning coach, lion king.

Posted May 18, 2014 10:38 pm 


BiggBoosssMan

It sure make sense for Marquez to go up in weight and age like a wine, it has beneficial effects, chiefly among them is that JMM punching power has increased tremendously, unlike Pacquiao whose punching power seemed to have diminished as he went up the weight ladder.. JMM sure looks good knocking down Alvarado with that sledge hammer punch.

Posted May 18, 2014 10:36 pm 


Joseph Herron

LOL…thanks, Squared Circle!!

Posted May 18, 2014 10:30 pm 


PRIMO

You morons posting abouta acne n steroids r IDIOTS. This goes to show the extent you jack asses go to, to make bogus accusations. It’s f***ing blood dumb asses

Posted May 18, 2014 10:30 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Great show so far, Joseph. Yeah…Fonfara is gonna get KTFO like a rag-doll!!

Posted May 18, 2014 10:07 pm 


K.C.

Cotto could have sensitive facial skin due to shaving. Marquez chest is covered with pimple-like acne….Peds

Posted May 18, 2014 10:06 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Argentines are definitely Hispanic. I believe the only Latinos not considered Hispanic are those from Brazil and Belize (formerly British Honduras).

Posted May 18, 2014 10:04 pm 


Joseph Herron

i agree, Squared Circle!!

Posted May 18, 2014 9:59 pm 


Tomato Can

Speaking of acne, last nights face off with Martinez/Cotto showed acne on Cotto’s face. Is he now as PED suspect too?

Posted May 18, 2014 9:56 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

IMO, Stevenson vs. Fonfara is a mismatch.

Posted May 18, 2014 9:54 pm 


te tumbo

then why not simply demand that Marquez submit to stricter testing? oh(?!). forgot. Punkuiao* made testing “optional”.

Posted May 18, 2014 9:43 pm 


Anonymous

Common with weightlifter. Who take ped. Back face and chest.very ugly up close.

Posted May 18, 2014 9:35 pm 


K.C.

That’s the peds coming out his skin… Had it been Pac coming out all pimpled up like that…The haters would be going insane with the comments

Posted May 18, 2014 9:20 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Wow, look at that pic! Is that acne all over JMM’s chest and shoulders??? How old he is again…going on 41?

Posted May 18, 2014 9:12 pm 



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