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SREDMOND

“The Facts” do you have any “Facts” to vacate the losses sustained by Cotto and Martinez to Margarito? I am objective enought to consider both sides… Maybe he did but maybe he didn’t….Its childish to assume he loaded up for EVERY bout and we will NEVER know…. But what we do know is he knocked out Cotto AND Martinez… Meanwhile the GREAT Floyd Mayweather has never lost…

Posted October 19, 2012 4:48 pm 


SREDMOND

I like Cotto and Martinez BUT I only know of Margo trying to cheat against Mosley and frankly speculating is NOT changing Cotto’s or Martinez record… AGAIN Sergio is the Unified MW Champ and he has been there for YEARS the ONLY reason you are trying to paint him as anything other is that you want to try and act like a fight with Mayweather is a the most natural in the world… My case is 1000 times stronger for Martinez being a MW and guess why??? Because that is where he fights and thats his identity in the sport…. He magically becomes something else when the name Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao is discussed because the guy wants a BIG money fight…. But CHASING smaller guys is always kinda weak

Posted October 19, 2012 4:31 pm 


TheFacts

SRED,Your 2face #ss keeps proving my point margacheato cheats vs mosely but who knows if he cheated prior to that vs Martinez?For real?…Had it been floyd who lost You’d all over him.Who said floyd is a bum?He’s obviously a good fighter stop putting words in peoples mouth & twisting things.Sergio is a 154lb beating guys at 160lb limit he can’t even make lol.I wouldn’t expect a blind floyd lover to understand that though.You’ve made your point you’re sticking with floyd for life lol till death separates you.Best of luck to you & your pretty boi floyd have a good one.

Posted October 19, 2012 4:20 pm 


TheFacts

“Oscar was NOT 35 Facts… He was 34″ wow i was way of lol.Who cares you & sred bias #ss understood me,think whatever you wanna think kid peace.

Posted October 19, 2012 2:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark reality is that Sergio was definitively STOPPED by Tony Margo years ago at WW… Not something that ruins his rep but alas it illustrates the perils of professional fighting… Unlike the rest of the boxers I discussed Floyd Mayweather has never needed and excuse for his loss because he has NOT lost…. Wraps, Bad camps, divorces, trainers ect NONE of it has stopped FMJ he just keeps winning…

Posted October 19, 2012 12:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark we KNOW about your lack of proportion as it pertains to Margo…He is indeed scum for trying to cheat Mosley but the reality is that his prior results stand and Mosley knocking him out stands…. Cotto had 2 losses when he faced Floyd and Sergio certainly got knocked out by Tony…YOU will rant and rant about what you THINK you know but you cannot prove it…I am in the camp of “I don’t know” so the reality is that Martinez and Cotto were BOTH knocked out by Margo like it or not…. Floyd Mayweather had an excellent win over one of the BEST fighters of this generation there is no need to expunge Cotto’s record to make Floyds win greater….He legitimately got his revenge in the ring and that is sufficient for me…. Hats off to Miguel for winning the rematch

Posted October 19, 2012 11:27 am 


TARK

Any fights Cheato Margarito won during his entire career, I discount them 100%…. Cheaters often get away with cheating because of poor oversight—if they sense there’s excellent oversight they usually don’t risk it. Nobody knows for sure when Cheato cheated, But you still can’t blame the victims.. Cotto dominated Cheato in their rematch. Sergio Martinez, at his best, would have killed Cheato.. To my mind, Cotto had only one loss when he faced Floyd—and Sergio has only one close MD loss to Paul Williams in 54 fights.

Posted October 19, 2012 11:16 am 


SREDMOND

Shane KO Mayweather back in the day?? C’mon guys at one point Sugar Shane during a 6 fight span booked 4 official losses an NC and a HOTLY disputed win over Oscar De La Hoya…. Granted he fought Forrest and Wright who were seriously talented but as good as Sugar was at 135 he never truly was able to emulate the success at 147 and projecting him into KOing Floyd Mayweather is a JOKE…. He could not KO Luis Collazo despite getting stops over a VERY washed up Fernando Vargas…I like Shane he is one of the toughest customers around and a terrific fighter BUT his skillset is not on par with Mayweathers who has not been beaten once let alone 4 out of 6 in his career with a debateable win….Find another historical figure to possibly beat Floyd Mayweather,….. Sugar Shane ain’t the guy….

Posted October 19, 2012 11:00 am 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, you say that Oscar was “better as a WW” but somehow you ignore the fact that ODH could NOT make the weight anymore than thus had to move up…You then ignore that Mayweather had NO track record above 147 pounds when he went to face Oscar who AGAIN was a World Class fighter at the weight… Anyone asserting that ODH was not World Class when Floyd fought him simply does NOT know the sport…. De La Hoya had been stopped ONCE at that point fighting at 160 where he NEVER belonged against Hopkins who was BIG for a MW… We all know Oscar can hit, he disposed of Vargas and Mayorga at 154 and he dumped Mayorgas ass faster than Trinidad or Mosley did….. FACTS.

Posted October 19, 2012 10:04 am 


SREDMOND

The LACK of Facts….. When are you going to own the fact that you are talking out of BOTH sides of your mouth… You shamelessly try and promote Sergio as a 154 pound fighter and in the same breath FAIL to promote Mayweather as one of the smaller 147 pounders operating today….The guy hits the ring at 150 when his opponents swell up all the time well beyond that (Ortiz, Mosley)….. BUT in your world we should take off the glasses of REALITY and vote Martinez a 154 pounder when he has had fight after fight at 160 and is the Unified Champ of the division…. When are you going to notify the commission that Martinez was actually facing 154 pounders the past 3 years and that his ranking at MW is unjustified? While you are at it consider calling Ring Magazine…LOL…. If Floyd is such a BUM then why does it take a MW fighter for him to be exposed? I am confused??

Posted October 19, 2012 9:41 am 


SREDMOND

Floyd would not necessarily dominate EVERY fighter who lived BUT he has pretty much dominated EVERY fighter he fought… Oscar gave a good account of himself in their fight and has nothing to be ashamed of…. But lets be real ODH was World Class fighter and 6 division Champion for all the commentary to the contrary Floyd came up in weight to defeat him and we KNOW that Floyd NEVER reguarly campaigned at 154….Floyd Mayweather is a SPECIAL fighter and NO ONE can argue that he is not intelligently…. The guy is pushing 36 and at a time where lower weight fighters reflexes and legs usually have betrayed them he is moving up and smashing HOF level younger boxers like Miguel Cotto….. Look at Calderon?? A shadow of himself….. Shane had booked a number of losses by 35, Roy Jones had been knocked to kingdom come, Wlad Klitschko had been stopped 3 times, Martinez was knocked out by Margo, Cotto bested by Margo and Pac Man, Marquez 5 or so losses (several close and debateable) Vitali stopped by Lewis, quit vs Byrd… Pac Man stopped twice, lost to Morales, robbed by Bradley, some say gifted last time out vs Marquez…. Andre Ward is undefeated but he is 28 and has had HALF the fights Mayweather has….. Reality is that Floyd is the BEST fighter in the sport and NO ONE has gotten to him hate it or love it he is an ATG and the legend continues to grow….

Posted October 19, 2012 9:35 am 


TARK

Oscar was NOT 35 Facts… He was 34… Floyd was 35 when he beat 31 year old Cotto… I don’t go around claiming he was 36. Get your facts straight …. How many fights did Mosley, Oscar, and Sweet Pea lose by the time they were Floyd’s age??? … For their entire careers Sweet Pea won 40 of 46… Oscar won 39 of 45… Mosley won 46 of 56… and Mayweather won 43 of 43.

Posted October 19, 2012 1:52 am 


TheFacts

Hidalgo,Oscar clearly beat Pernell why were people clamoring when it was a clear decision? cause he knocked him down once?lol People must not understand how boxing’s scored it’s a matter of having brain some lack that lol.Highly respect both Oscar & sweet pea both would’ve gave floyd huge problems.He’s never fought guys as dangerous as them both 1st ballot H.O.F’s.No fighter on floyds resume comes even close considering the circumstances.Juiceless 39 yr Mosely.Marquez 37 Great legend but was 135lb non factor at 147lb,35 yr Oscar.Not bs just the blatant truth(People have a hard time accepting that though).The Castillo,old Oscar & Cotto,Emanuel Burton lol gave floyd problems what would Pernell,Oscar do to floyd?You already know it goes without saying,just a matter of common sense.Floyd fans think their hero/idol would dominate every fighter that’s ever lived they honestly believe that bs haha. I find that very hilarious can you blame me.

Posted October 18, 2012 11:36 pm 


TARK

Whitaker is the only prime ATG fighter Oscar ever whipped.. It was as good victory for Oscar, but Pernell lost a few other fights as well.. And I thought Wilfred Ramerez beat him twice, and I had Ahzuma Nelson beating him too,

Posted October 18, 2012 11:17 pm 


Hidalgo

BTW, Oscar gave Pernell his first loss as a welterweight.

Posted October 18, 2012 10:31 pm 


Hidalgo

“SRED,Now you wanna get into name calling cause you can’t have it your way?Haha Typical loser…’

That’s right, TheFacts. You can lump Te Tumbo in with him too. The only “clown” around here is SRedmond.

Posted October 18, 2012 10:29 pm 


Hidalgo

“Both guys were relevant world class fighers” That’s a matter of opinion, SRedmond. But to blindly claim that Oscar would never beat Floyd is just plain unsubstantiated hot air. Oscar was loads better as a welterweight than he was as a jr. middleweight who was seven years older, slower, heavier, and did not carry as much power.

As for trying to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes by attempting to substantiate your argument with “Guys like Mosley and Whitaker gave Oscar problems because they were far more fluid than the stiff yet hard hitting Oscar, I have three things to say about that. 1. Floyd never fought Sweet Pea. 2. Oscar beat Whitaker. and Pernell was a seasoned welterweight. 3. Shane Mosley wasn’t the same fighter when he fought Mayweather as he was when he fought De la Hoya. THAT Shane Mosley would also have beaten Floyd Mayweather Jr. Probably would have stopped him too IMO.

Posted October 18, 2012 10:27 pm 


Hidalgo

“Who argues what weight ODH fought Gatti at?” I was merely correcting myself.

Posted October 18, 2012 10:03 pm 


TARK

Martinez has been fighting at 160 because he got his shot at Pavlik after fighting forever at 147 and 154… Jose Napoles fought for many years at 135 but Carlos Ortiz simply wouldn’t fight him. Napoles finally got his shot at 147 against Curtis Cokes when he was 29 years old. That’s a lot younger than Martinez finally got his opportunity.. If Martinez were Mexican or American it would be a different story and he might have been champ at 23. He’s desperate to get a big money fight because he’s nearing 38. He offered to fight Manny or Floyd at 150—which he says he can easily make without problems …. I think he could make that weight with major difficulty, but like I said—his toughest opponent right now is Father Time.

Posted October 18, 2012 9:54 pm 


TheFacts

SRED,Now you wanna get into name calling cause you can’t have it your way?Haha Typical loser yet you’re the one making bs excuses not me you need to look in the miror kid.& for the record your idol floydie called Sergio out before williams/Sergio I way before Sergio ever mentioned floyd.He said in interview “winner makes the most sense”, He’s dissapeared since.If floyd considers Serg at 154lb even 160lb lol I highly doubt it but(straight from the horses mouth don’t take my word for it look it up & get yor facts right).Why are his fans shooting that down the opportunity?? I know you’re scared for your hero/idol but damn lol talk about loyalty to floyd & true love right sred haha.

Posted October 18, 2012 6:54 pm 


Havoc

They need to change the rules! Move up or down in weights, champions needs to fight who ever next In line! No ducking! Suntioning body needs to set all rules to follow! No negotiation! One rule! Remove the middle man ( promoters). Now that’s what you call a sport!

Posted October 18, 2012 6:50 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez was fighting at 160 BEFORE Mayweather even came to 154 for a bout with Cotto or before Canelo and these guys had even made a name for themselves at 154…. Sergio is at 160 because its his MOST comfortable weight… A few years ago Dibella was saying he could not even get down to 154 anymore… Clown!!

Posted October 18, 2012 5:32 pm 


SREDMOND

NO I really DON’T know that Martinez is a 154 pounder… Why would I think that he is the Unified MW Champion and he has not fought at the weight in what 3 years?? He stopped what 4 out of his last 6 opponents above 154?? He weighs in above the MW limit on fight night so why would I suspend disbelief and pretend he is a 154 pound fighter anymore?? Its much more plausible to say that Mayweather is a natural 147 pounder… He has had 2 fights above 147 in his life spaced YEARS apart…. Your SAD crusade is baseless and forces you to omit relevant commentary… You cannot fight at a weight for 3 years and pretend you are really supposed to be a division below….

Posted October 18, 2012 5:30 pm 


TheFacts

SRED,Stop the excuses you clearly know Sergio’s a natural 154lb,huge threat to floyd you clearly don’t want the fight to happen.He’s fighting at 160 cause guys in his division won’t fight him(cotto,floyd,canelo)Lara is the only guy to step up like vs Williams no surprise there he’s got cajones & he’s also fighting Vanes goes to show you the real contenders from pretenders.Let me hit you with the real facts now not the ones you go out making in your head.Martinez is willing to fight the best regardless of skill/size so much that he’s willing to sacrifice draining/inflating himself to prove himself, can’t say the same for the so called best.They say floyd/ward are better than Sergio yet they call Sergio out, & back out as soon as he agrees to his terms(Floyd154/Ward164??Sergio won’t ever let money/weight get in they way like floyd/ward.Sergio has agreed publically numerous times he’ll drain or inflate himself to make floyd/ward comfortable yet floyd/ward always the ones with excuse not Sergio.Floyd is waiting till Sergio hits 40 like mosely if ever & ward declined 164lb just moved up to 175lb after watching Sergio pick cruiser-weight chavez jr apart they don’t want it, stop bs.

Posted October 18, 2012 5:14 pm 


SREDMOND

Why won’t Martinez fight a dangerous fighter a division above him ie Andre Ward??? Excuses Excuses,,, Hopkins moved up from 160 to 175 at 41 and beatdown Tarver and won the LHW Title AGAIN later…. If Sergio needs to trade weight classes he should go UP or allow that fighters are not going to want to disadvantage themselves by possibly facing a MW who brings very little money to the table…

Posted October 18, 2012 4:21 pm 


SREDMOND

MORE backwards logic from the clown car… Pac Man is not suitable for Floyd anymore even though Mayweather is a few months shy of 36 years old….Excuses, Excuses…. Martinez and Mayweather are not even in the SAME weight class and Martinez is even OLDER than Pacquiao so where is the consistency of thought?? Pacs around 2 inches shorter than Floyd and Floyd is around 2 inches shorter than Martinez and he will spot him 15 pounds at least fight night but AGAIN Mayweather must fight the MW Champion because moving thru 5 weight classes is NOT enough?? Comedy…. The fight to make is still May/Pac so Floyd can take the GREAT Manny out and put this boring debate to rest for eternity…

Posted October 18, 2012 4:18 pm 


TheFacts

Nobody wants to see Floyd-pac anymore people wanted them in their prime & pac just signed an extension with uncle/santa bob so not happening 2013 either.That fight is so predictable just a matter of common sense whether you like either guy or not.Everybody know floyd picks pac apart if he manages to grow some balls that is.Floyd-Martinez make it happen floydie.Wait his health is too important & he’s hesitant to fight a midget why would he fight the most dangerous fighter in the world in Sergio?? guess that doesn’t make sense business wise right ahaha & some wishful thinking on peoples part as well.

Posted October 18, 2012 4:04 pm 


Rich Coward

Mayweather is #1p4p in cowardice. Fact !

Posted October 18, 2012 3:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Blah Blah we all know they should fight but alas the world continues to turn and both guys keep on doing their thing… If it does not happen in 2013, its not going to happen period…

Posted October 18, 2012 3:29 pm 


rca

Pac is not a threat to Floyd’s standing as long as Floyd avoids him and that, my friends, is exactly Floyd is doing. Although Pac ha already beaten him twice in court, Floyd feels he will be unbeaten by Pac as long as he does not fight Manny.

Posted October 18, 2012 2:58 pm 


Pain

Pacquiao beats Mayweather. Floyd is still scared of the declining, one dimensional midget ass whooper. Shame on you Floyd.

Posted October 18, 2012 2:44 pm 


Havoc

RCA- get real! You said impossible demand! Demand that Marquez, Mosley and Cotto met! You are right thou! Impossible demand for Pacquioa to meet! Get real!!

Posted October 18, 2012 2:35 pm 


SREDMOND

How is Pac a threat to Floyds standing when Mayweather is universally rated #1 by all bodies that matter (Ring) and Pacquiao is struggling to stay at #2 or #3…. People are seriously doubting he can beat 39 year old Marquez and he needs a 4th bout to close him out…. Floyd is the MAJOR draw in the sport of boxing and the ultimate powerbroker hence the GREAT Pac Man bowing down and conceding an EXTRA 10% and millions in the event of a bout with FMJ…. Like I said no fighter becomes GREAT due to one fight, fact is that Floyd and Manny would become GREATER by defeating one and other…. Floyds going in the HOF and he is an ATG…. I will ding him for not facing Pacquiao but those two facts cannot be changed… He has been whipping ass since the 90′s and is STILL P4P #1 in 2012…… AMAZING!!!!

Posted October 18, 2012 2:28 pm 


rca

Floyd claims he is the greatest boxer ever and his supporters say so. So validate it and fight the man that logical human beings, boxing fan or not, has concluded that Manny generates fear in Floyd. Floyd has saturated the boxing air waves with incoherent rants, impossible demands for the fight, going to jail rather than appear in court, settling the case Pac has filed against him,admitting that he is a coward, albeit a rich coward on video when he was asked directly whether he is scared to face Manny. If you called that greatness in a sport that requires great skills together with the courage to face any threat to your standing in the sport, yes that single appearance of fear negates your claim to be the greatest and renders your past achivements moot.

Posted October 18, 2012 1:47 pm 


SREDMOND

While I agree that Floyd should fight Pacquiao and vice versa… His career is NOT predicated on ONE fighter despite the public demand… You cannot become GREAT overnight the body of work that Mayweather and Pac have amassed occured over MORE than a decade as fighters… Is Rustico Torrecampo GREAT because he proved he could beat a young Pac Man?? Winning Championships in 5 weight classes means you BEAT MANY Champions along the way (Current and former)…….Trying to define Mayweather by Pac or Pac purely by Mayweather is WEAK….Does that mean the loser is a BUM??? If so how can we respect the winner because he will have beaten a BUM??? Both are Great fighters and the winner will simply enhance the ALREADY present Greatness….. Silly Men

Posted October 18, 2012 1:18 pm 


rca

There is no doubt that Floyd is a great boxer, but unless he quit running from Pac by usng all sort of invalid and lame excuses and still crow around saying he will beat Manny without any doubt, he will always be remembered as a ducker when he perceives Pac or anybody else as a threat to his 0. He already has lost twice to Pac in the court of law and maybe he does not want to lose to Pac for a third time – this time in the ring where he believes he is invincible. All the ebullient praises his supporters pour on him is nothing but hot air until he proves he can beat Manny in the ring where he cannot use his lawyers to defend himself against Manny. Man UP!!!

Posted October 18, 2012 1:11 pm 


SREDMOND

The weird thing about alot of you creeps is that you totally IGNORE Mayweathers advancing age when discussing who he needs to fight or not fight… I never hear guys saying Ortiz or Canelo would be cherrypicking OLD man Mayweather? But Floyd can fight guys YOUNGER or a few years older and he is ALWAYS somehow taking advantage?? C’mon this is haterade

Posted October 18, 2012 10:52 am 


SREDMOND

Oscar was NOT leading he was not landing worth a damn in that fight.. All the clean power punches were put out there by FMJ…ODH gets a high mark for effort in the bout but he was not talented enough nor fast enough to deal with Mayweather….Guys love to hang on weak moments in order to create a loss for Mayweather in some regard…It has not happened live with it…

Posted October 18, 2012 10:27 am 


TARK

Why do Oscar lovers always fudge a year??? DLH WASN’T 35 WHEN HE FOUGHT FLOYD but that’s what you always hear. Even ESB writers use this BS number. That would be the same as Floyd followers always repeating “WOW!! 36-year-old Floyd whipped 31 year old Cotto.” …Let’s stop with the fudging and BS excuses. Oscar had only one (1) clearly won round—the 2nd. Floyd dominated the fight. Even Floyd hater Larry Merchant said, “It’s looking like May weather outside… Floyd is putting on a boxing clinic.” You had one Floyd hater judge. Nothing you can do about that. Another pile of BS you frequently hear is “Oscar was leading until he stopped jabbing.” Check the punch stats.. Oscar jabbed MORE in the 2nd half of the fight as Floyd took command. There’s no end to the BS from Oscar supporters.

Posted October 18, 2012 10:06 am 


SREDMOND

Girri, your boxing knowledge is WEAK at best…Reality is that Floyd is the ONLY boxer in history to move thru 5 weight classes and remain undefeated….FACTS…. Pac winning titles in a solid 7 divisions is amazing the (Margo win does not really fly as a legit 154 win) he has NEVER beat a man who came to the weigh-in at 154…. Whereas FMJ has defeated Cotto and ODH two HOF level boxers at the appropriate weight…. That said I respect BOTH guys and YES Floyd could lose but he has NOT so dreaming of losses that have not occured in order to validate a point is nonsensical as of today….15 years in and no one has beat the guy….. Thats amazing in this sport….

Posted October 18, 2012 10:04 am 


Havoc

Girri- Pacman is on roids! That is why he is a monstrous when he fight! He reck havoc like a midget hulk! Too much punching no skills! But he ain’t perfect like Floyd 0 loss. Floyd got skills PACman got roids!

Posted October 18, 2012 10:02 am 


SREDMOND

Both Mayweather and Pacquiao deserve respect for their performances…They have rendered some terrifically talented boxers totally inept… Floyd Mayweather has NOTHING to be embarassed about he has basically stopped or unanimouisly defeated ALL but one of his opponents during a 43 fight career…. Suggestions that he should be ashamed are comical

Posted October 18, 2012 10:00 am 


GIRRI

@MBUYISELI

COTTO, EVEN AT ANY WEIGHT, 154 TO 160, WILL NOT FIGHT THE PAC.

ONE FIGHT AGAINST PAC IS ENOUGH FOR HIM.

COTTO, A WISE MAN INDEED, FOLLOWS HIS BEGGING WIFE AND LOVE ONES TO FIGHT ALL BOXERS AVAILABLE BUT PAC.

COTTO CAN FIGHT FLOYD, JR. A HUNDRED TIMES, BUT PAC… NO WAY !

Posted October 18, 2012 9:44 am 


GIRRI

@SREDMOND

BEING THE ONLY 8 DIVISION OF THE WORLD CANNOT TAKE THAT AWAY FROM PAC EVEN FOR A CENTURY BUT HAVING A ZERO LOSS RECORD CAN BE ERASED EASILY WITH JUST ONE BOUT.

THERE ARE MANY BOXERS OUT THERE WHO HAVE MORE WINS THAN FLOYD, JR. WITH ZERO LOSS RECORD BEFORE THEY RETIRED OR LOST.

ZERO IS IRRELEVANT, NO BEARING SPECIALLY FOR A GENIUS CHEERY PICKER.

Posted October 18, 2012 9:37 am 


SREDMOND

Who argues what weight ODH fought Gatti at? Gatti was not part of my thesis we all know that Oscar was too strong and heavy handed for Gatti who really never competed well at 147, obviously Mayweather made him look like he was standing in cement when he blew him out in 6 rounds at 140….AGAIN you are forced to explain away Mayweathers WINS vs having to discuss other fighters losses… The man is undefeated over 15 years and 43 bouts and 5 weight classes…If this as pedestrian we would have 30 guys we could name boasting the same accomplishments….

Posted October 18, 2012 9:32 am 


GIRRI

@MBUYSELI

DON’T PUT EXCUSES WHEN PAC BEAT THESE GUYS. THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL BOXERS WHO TRAINED THEMSELVES TO BE IN TOP CONDITION BEFORE THEY ENTER THE RING AND FIGHT.

EXCUSES ARE MADE JUST TO HIDE THE EMBARASSING PERFORMANCES OF FLOYD, JR. COMPARED TO PAC’S EXPLOSIVE PERFORMANCES AGAINST THEIR COMMON OPPONENTS.

THESE RING PERFORMANCES WITH THE ADDITIONAL OF MARGARITO AND CLOTTEY ARE THE REASONS WHY FLOYD, JR. IS VERY SCARED OF THE PACMAN.

Posted October 18, 2012 9:32 am 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, Oscar was NEVER 7 years out of his prime and how is it that Floyd Mayweathers prime seems to NEVER end???? He is going to be 36 in Feb but clowns are saying Cotto is old, they say Pac is old but FMJ is immune to the ravages of time?? Could it be that he is so damn good?? As for his fight with Oscar it was a boring overly tactical fight for most of the contest.. ODH was completely ineffective offensively he was not able to get much clean leather on Mayweather… Post fight he lamented not being able to fight FMJ in a phone booth…. Reality is that Mayweather has always been a much more talented fighter than ODH who I have tremendous respect for but is not on par with FMJ on his best day…

Posted October 18, 2012 9:29 am 


malachi

i would like to see my man floyd face the red head monster maybe someone like bradley/pac which im not thinking bobs gonna allow either of those then maybe berto/the ghost winner finnishing his career off with martinez…yuuup!

Posted October 18, 2012 8:32 am 


Mbuyiseli

Girri put the crack pipe down. Floyd will always be the better boxer than Pacquaio. Styles make fights. Plus remember that Floyd fought ODLH at 154lbs. Pacquaio wanted the catch-weight against Cotto the 2nd time around. Cotto refused. When Mayweather again went up to 154lbs not making the weight again. Thus the reason we have the Pacquaio vs Marques re-run for the third time. Let Pacquaio fight your grandpa again. Pactards are the awesome bunch.

Posted October 18, 2012 7:34 am 


GIRRI

@HAVOC

FLOYD BEAT OSCAR VIA SPLIT DECISION… IT WAS PLAIN AND SIMPLE… AND UNCONVINCING.

PAC BEAT OSCAR VIA TKO, IT WAS CONVINCING, EXPLOSIVE AND EXCITING.

CONCLUSION : PAC IS FAR BETTER THAN FLOYD.

Posted October 18, 2012 6:28 am 


TheFacts

Havoc,That night only.Oscar won the majority of the first half till he let of the gas & jab like vs Trinidad idk why.Either way not making excuses floyd took advantage during the mid rounds & later rounds.Won 7-5 on my card he didn’t dominate the 35 yr Oscar by any means though.You talk like floyd would beat Oscar 9/10 times & if you do believe that bs than you’re mad riding your boi floyd.He had a chance at a rematch & he packed his bags & left lol.Literally he retired went on vacation.Talk about Hit & Run and I’m not talking about floyds style aha.

Posted October 18, 2012 3:15 am 


Havoc

Oscar is older past his prime….ect, ect… Martinez is older but he is still good as anybody else. Floyd beat Oscar plain and simple! You can’t reverse time or manipulate time! Floyd beat Oscar, Floyd is better! Period!

Posted October 18, 2012 12:43 am 


TARK

Oscar was only 34 when he fought Mayweather… That’s a year younger than Floyd when he fought Cotto… So if Oscar was “7 years out of his prime” he must have gotten old at 27. Poor Oscar. No wonder he lost to Trinidad and Mosley. He was gettng old. I mean, Hopkins was 39 when he whipped Oscar, why didn’t DLH jump on the old man?

Posted October 17, 2012 11:35 pm 


TARK

Floyd didn’t get a fair shake in the return against Castillo… Floyd won every round but they only gave him 7… That means if Castillo won as few as 2 rounds Floyd would have been declared the loser… Check this out!!! One of the “hit team” of judges for Mayweather-Castillo II also worked the Tyson-Douglas fight.. Douglas won 9 of 10 rounds but this crook had Tyson AHEAD when he got knocked out.. You’d think they’d get rid of corrupt judges like that, but you see them in major championship fights.

Posted October 17, 2012 11:26 pm 


Hidalgo

BTW, SRedmond, Oscar fought Gatti as a welterweight. Floyd fought him as a Jr. Welterweight. My bad–not Gatti’s regular fighting weight at the time. I Stand by the rest of my argument, however.

Posted October 17, 2012 11:12 pm 


Hidalgo

“But none of this negates FMJ being a MORE talented boxer than ODH who he would ALWAYS BEAT due to superior speed and skill in my estimation.” How do you figure SRedmond? Even seven years out of his prime DLH went a full twelve rounds with Jr. and Jr. only got a split decision win. Oscar in his prime was one of the best welterweights of our era. Oscar was a superb, elite welterweight. Floyd couldn’t do squat with him as a jr. middleweight. Oscar would have pulled off a UD if they were fighting as welters and during the period when Oscar was in his prime. Oscar was stronger and had a better KO record. He also had a better chin. He was tougher and he fought more, high-caliber opponents during his welterweight career than Floyd has to date. Oscar was a natural in the ring, just like Floyd. In 2001 Oscar TKOd Arturo in five rounds. In 2005, FOUR years later, Floyd RTDd Gatti in six rounds. And Floyd never even fought Mosley until Mosley was also WELL out of his prime. In fact, Mayweather would’ve had a helluva time with Vernon Forrest–God rest his soul. Regardless, I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Mayweather has never fought the caliber of welterweight opponents that De la Hoya did. Never. And mainly because of that one reason, I’d favor DLH over Jr. any time.

Posted October 17, 2012 11:06 pm 


TheFacts

Think what you will all I know is a past his prime Oscar gave floyd a lot of problems like castillo It’s a matter of common sense a prime Oscar would do better. Floyd fought the better Oscar than pac more credit to him but in no way was this a young Oscar either.I’ll give floyd one thing he sure knows how to choose his opponents & manage his career well.Not saying he’s garbage or fighting bums he’s obviously a good fighter, just not everything floyd trys to convince people he is.

Posted October 17, 2012 10:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Donaire is not even 5″7 and he smashed the jaw of a guy who’s 5″11…. The excuses will rain there is no height requirement only making weight….

Posted October 17, 2012 9:24 pm 


I_AM_ZT

To Havoc
“Yeah, but his last 3 opponents looks like a midget compare to Nonito’s size”! Just so your aware Mattebula was 6ft tall (nonito is 5ft 7in) soooooo what are you talking about?

Posted October 17, 2012 9:21 pm 


SREDMOND

How do I support Shane cheating I am just speaking to the outcome of the bout… Reality is that Sugar was busted for the second fight where he did WORSE not the first where he did BETTER… But none of this negates FMJ being a MORE talented boxer than ODH who he would ALWAYS BEAT due to superior speed and skill in my estimation… A prime Oscar would be too BIG for Pacquiao who loves to talke shots even from the likes of slow fighters like Margarito… FMJs skills are beyond what PAC, or Oscar ever displayed.. Dude is undefeated thru 5 divisions Mannys still struggling with OLD Marquez in 2011

Posted October 17, 2012 9:17 pm 


TheFacts

SRED,”Shane was able to beat Oscar based on handspeed and stamina in their first fight (juiced or not)…”……Funny cause in this corrupt sport no win is ever sure thing.2 huge robberies.Another thing I find funny is how floyd fans can accept or find it okay for Oscar fight a juiced mosley & argue he lost a very controversial decision but lord have mercy if Mosely trys to cheat against Mr. clean floyd lol.Cmon SRED,stop the hypocrisy already I know you love floyd but damn.A prime Oscar gives floyd hell & picks predictable pac apart easy.Forget Oscar-floyd how about Castillo-floyd I?You still remember that one or is it better not too?Like mosely floyd was a undefeated star in the u.s. what did you expect Castillo to get a fair shake against an American fighter in their soil?I sure as hell didn’t.

Posted October 17, 2012 7:26 pm 


TARK

BTW…. Just to show you how wrong you are sred. I lived in LA at the time of this fight. Oscar thought he was robbed and did an exclusive interview with Los Angeles Times sports reporters—where they reviewed the Trinidad-DLH fight together and scored it round by round.. Oscar watched closely and scored it 7 rounds to 2 after 9 rounds and 7-5 after 12. That’s pretty damned close for a so called controversial fight when Oscar is scoring his own fight. He gave Trinidad 5 rounds. I gave him 6. You can ask Oscar about this and he’ll verify it. He excused his running by saying, “I was winded.”

Posted October 17, 2012 6:22 pm 


TARK

Sred says… “Oscar did not engage wildly” … How about running like a wild jackrabbit? Watch the 12th.

Posted October 17, 2012 5:43 pm 


TARK

Ttinidad didn’t take a beating… Oscar had 3 solid big rounds… The other rounds were close and you just had to look at the 3 score cards to see the different scores for the judges in those different rounds with the 3 big ones scored unanimously for Oscar… One judge gave the 12th to Oscar and probably not 2 people in 5,000 would have done that. It was the most one-sided round of the fight. He must of suffered a brain fart as he marked his card. Concentrating for 12 rounds is hard on some of these judges.

Posted October 17, 2012 5:37 pm 


SREDMOND

That was a VERY immature stance being mad because Oscar did not engage wildly is silly….. He did not deserve to lose that fight in the slightest and NO way in hell did Tito win 3 of the first 9 rounds…. Getting punched in the face and bleeding on your trunks is not the stuff of greatness…

Posted October 17, 2012 5:37 pm 


TARK

How about taking THREE (3) rounds off when you only have a 6 to 3 lead??? Many observers had the fight for Trinidad at the end, not just me… What about the HBO crew??? They’re were all Oscar slap happy BEFORE the fght, but thinking Tito my have pulled it out after the 12th because of his cowardly running.

Posted October 17, 2012 5:26 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark the fight NEVER should have been 6-3 or even 7-2 but if it was 7-2 then losing 3 rounds makes it 7-5 for ODH NO matter how you slice it that was a RANCID decision and one that will debated for ages…. Being angry with Oscar for coasting is one thing but giving Felix the fight after the beating he took for 9 rounds plus is simply inept and you know this…

Posted October 17, 2012 5:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Growup Tark, taking off a round does NOT tank a fight you dominated your argument is VERY emotional and ignores the reality of the scoring system… IF you batter your opponent for 9 rounds absent multiple KD’s you have NO shot of winning…..Get real man

Posted October 17, 2012 5:20 pm 


TARK

Oscar refused a rematch… Which was a red-hot fight… Trinidad said, “Man up and fight me again if you think you won cry baby.. This time I promise to knock your chickenhearted running ass TFO!!”

Posted October 17, 2012 5:03 pm 


TARK

6 round to 3 isn’t a close fight in my view… It’s a dominant lead for a 12 round fight because you only need one more round and to avoid a knockdown… But it’s not big enough to stop fighting… The judges might have it 7 to 2 or 6 to 3, but you don’t know what they’re thinking because some rounds were close.. No time to take the night off and Oscar admitted he made a huge mistake.

Posted October 17, 2012 5:00 pm 


TARK

Watch the last round of Trinidad-DLH again… Oscar ran like a dog and the crowd booed him loudly and lustily… ALL the HBO commentators lamblasted Oscar for running, especially Foreman.. The cowardly dog deserved to lose and the HBO crew agreed with the verdict in favor of Trinidad …. So did I.

Posted October 17, 2012 4:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark giving Felix 3 of 9 rounds initially was the stuff of a RANK amateur it was not even close… Trinidad was getting RAINED on and completely outboxed it was not competitive… He did nothing to upset the applecart he never hurt nor even got Oscar off his feet after taking a beating for the duration….

Posted October 17, 2012 4:50 pm 


TARK

I thought Oscar would win the 2nd Mosley fight and he took a big lead after 7 rounds… He won few close rounds and they were all contested.. But he lost the last 5 rounds.. Forget about the punch stats and watch the fight again with an unbiased mind.. Mosley is the stronger aggressor and lands the harder shots all night.. I don’t even score pitty pats that hardley even graze you.. I score good solid shots that do damage and that’s why ALL the judges scored the fight for Mosley and De La Hoya’s face was so beat up.

Posted October 17, 2012 4:49 pm 


SREDMOND

As for Martinez going to 168, thats fine if he chooses to stay at 160, but his personal saga does not make it a necessity for others to face the MW Champion…. Fair is Fair….He does not hold Mayweathers jock as it pertains to importance the guy cannot even earn the lions share vs Chavez Jr…. FACT

Posted October 17, 2012 4:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Typo=preponderance of blows landed by Oscar on Shane

Posted October 17, 2012 4:36 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, cut the BS I have seen FAR more evasive action than that of ODH vs Trinidad lets get real and the reality is that Felix deserved NO MORE than a 10-9 round…. As for Mosley 2 look at the punch stats if you like or watch the fight the preponderance of blows were landed by Shane whos career was saved by that win after his 2 loIsses to Forrest…Lampley and ALOT of people thought that ODH won again opinions but these losses were BOTH controversial to say the least (especially Trinidad)…. I concede he got a possible gift against Sturm but acting like he got cleanly beaten by Oscar or Shane that second time should be filed under bogus….ODH was hardly “beaten up” against Mosley in the 2nd bout… What fight were you watching??

Posted October 17, 2012 4:36 pm 


TARK

At 38 Sergio can’t be successful at 168.. That’s how old he’d be if he tried.. His problem was his late start and lack of backing NOT lack of skills, ability, or work ethic.. DLH lost to Mosley in both fights and although he was ahead of Tito after 9, 6 rounds to 3, he ran like a dog the last 3 rounds and nobody gives a fight to a scared rabbit. He ran so hard in the last round earning well deserved BOO’S from the crowd, the deserved a 2-point round against him on my card. He lost.. Look at his face after the 2nd Mosley fight. He was beaten up and the decision was unanimous without a decenting vote. 80% of the ringside reporters gave the fight to Mosley.. Lampley surveyed the writers following the fight because he thought Oscar won.. He said on the air, “Maybe we’re way wrong on this. Ringside reporters have it for Mosley.”

Posted October 17, 2012 4:10 pm 


SREDMOND

Titopia we BOTH agree that he got robbed against Trinidad… And MANY myself included think he beat Mosley second time out….. That said while ODH was facing guys like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, Trinidad, and Mosley 2x….. Sergio was facing Chavez Jr, Macklin, Barker, Dzindzurik and drunk Pavlik…. Oscar’s list includes 3 ATG’s and 2 HOFERS meanwhile Sergio has not face ANYONE of that caliber…ODH was not losing to the fighters of the level Sergio has beaten either… Oba Carr, Vargas, Whitaker (HOFER) or Chavez Sr (HOFER 34 I think) reality is that Sergio NEVER beat a great fighter…. But he has looked GREAT beating some good fighters at times…. I like him and he is terrific but his record is garbage compared to the names ODH faced and the weights he faced them out…. Hops at MW was a HUGE risk and he payed for it….. Sergio is chasing WW’s down the scale to prove himself meanwhile Oscar who was ALREADY rich chased Hops UP the scale…

Posted October 17, 2012 3:37 pm 


SREDMOND

Needing money is understandable and it might not feel good having to take HALF with Chavez Jr but thats NOT FMJ’s issue….Reality is that Martinez does not have enough time left in his career to position himself in the drivers seat next to Floyd… Too bad, so sad the reality is that he is a MW fighter and thats not Floyds issue or problem to help line his pockets…. Mayweathers done 5 weight classes let Sergio keep climbing if he needs more cash or rematch Chavez Jr

Posted October 17, 2012 3:30 pm 


malachi

i think martinez paid his dues and should be rewarded to fight the fights that mean the most $$$ he’s came up on the rough side of the mountain and at this juncture of his career deserve to be paid accordingly,so to just fight a fight just to fight and see if he could beat a young hungry beast just to do it for the media to talk about means nothing to martinez the most dead presidents that he can get is in his eye sights and to me is extremely understandable this is a pung mans sport with the exception of a few greats ….yezzzir!!

Posted October 17, 2012 3:19 pm 


SREDMOND

I have no issue with Sergio NOT moving up but assigning him wins and competence in those classes is NOT gonna fly with me… He is NOT pursuing 168 pounders he is going after WW’s….If you are going to argue that Martinez who has knocked out several guys above 154 and is the current Unified MW Champ is REALLY a stealth 154 pounder then he is chasing a NATURAL 147 pounder in FMJ who has had 2 fights spaced YEARS apart against two guys who NEVER effectively competed at 160 (unlike Martinez)…..POINT is that ODH has to be accorded appropriate respect for the BOMB squad of HOFERS that he took on during his career and his losses are to GREAT fighters not scrubs or pedestrian guys… Martinez got stopped by Margo at 147…. Like the guy but Oscar was a hell of a fighter for much of his career

Posted October 17, 2012 3:16 pm 


Titopa

SREDMOND – Also, Oscar has pretty much lost EVERY (minus the Trinidad fight) big fight he’s been in. Just because he fought them (but lost) doesn’t mean much. It’s WINNING that really counts.

Posted October 17, 2012 3:14 pm 


Titopa

SREDMOND – As for fighting at 168, I think Sergio CAN beat guys like Froch and Kessler (don’t think he can beat Ward), problem is, he really isn’t all that big at 160lbs….Oscar’s limit was 154lbs, yes Oscar came up from 135lbs, but he started boxing at a MUCH younger age, thus having time/youth to move up. Sergio started late (at 147), and it looks as though 160 might be his cap weight, some fighters can move up (carry the weight) easier, some can’t, it’s not their fault. Sergio’s BEST (prime) weight is 154, I think 168 would be pushing it (physically), and seeing as how he relies on speed and reflexes to out box his opponents, 160lbs might be the limit.

Posted October 17, 2012 3:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez comp does NOT compare in the slightest to ODH and remember Oscar came thru 6 divisions whereas Martinez is a Champ in what 2?? he fought in 3 that I know of… ODH was a fighter at 130 when he began…Reality is we BOTH know that Oscar deserved that win vs Trinidad and certainly Mosley II these are historical controversies….. Sergio has NOT fought anyone close to the talent level ODH faced at the appropriate weights in fact as the BIGGER man he is chasing the Mayweathers and Pacs whereas ODH would have moved up to 168 or 175 had he BEGAN at 147 then had to go to 154 due to bodily maturation….. Macklin ain’t cutting it, neither is Chavez as comprable comp get real…. ODH was NOT even a MW and he faced the GREATEST one of the past 15 or so years B-Hop… Whats Sergios best opponent?? Chavez Jr????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted October 17, 2012 3:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Titopia, I never said Sergio is NOT ballsy quite to the contrary but he has stated that he is NOT really trying to go to 168 so that does not really fly….There are 3 MAJOR bouts off the top of my head if he chose to go to 168, Ward, Froch and Kessler would all likely take that bout due to the money… Like it or not Chavez is a MW who blows up and everyone knows this…Despite his bulk on fight night he is not a Cruiserweight, kudos to Sergio for beating him up for 11 rounds but that is just the reality of modern boxing guys gain weight…. As for Oscar coasting on Trinidad for 3 rounds it was bad press but he had whipped the DANGEROUS Trinidads ass for at least 9 rounds so it is what it is…. Felix Trinidad was FAR more talented and dangerous than a SLOW and plodding Julio Cesar Chavez who really only had bulk going for him that night……

Posted October 17, 2012 2:57 pm 


TARK

The way Forrest did.

Posted October 17, 2012 2:40 pm 


TARK

Put it this way. Oscar never carried the fight to Mosley the way Forret did… Oscar was a smart businessman and I view his middleweight foray in that light. A money making trip he knew would probably get him KTFO… Sergio Martinez fought as a welterweight and Jr Middleweight for most of his career—starting well past 20—and is a much better boxer at 37 than Oscar was. Oscar hasn’t beaten a great prime fighter other than Whitaker so I’m not sure he could ever have beaten Pacquiao, who was a better boxer and puncher with better speed and skills. I’m certain Oscar couldn’t beat Sergio at 154. Same problems. Sergio’s speed, power, and mobility, and his straight punches are just too fast, accurate and powerful, and he slips punches a lot better than Oscar did.

Posted October 17, 2012 2:39 pm 


Titopa

SREDMOND – Who’s to say that Martinez isn’t as ballsy? It’s not his fault no one wants to fight him, I’m sure he’s willing to fight ANYONE at 160 and the right fight at 168. He took on a cruiser weight in Chavez, and after being dropped and clearly hurt, the man STOOD there and continued firing, throwing hard shots with bad intentions…he didn’t take the last 3 rounds off (ala De La Hoya vs Trinidad) after CLEARLY dominated Chavez with ease. He could’ve cruised to an easy UD. Martinez is on CONSTANTLY on the look out to fight the very best.

Posted October 17, 2012 2:35 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, I like Martinez and think he is one of the most talented boxers around but lets look at who he stopped?? Pwill aside it has NOT been a cast of characters with historical clout ie Macklin, Barker, Dzinzurik….. I KNOW you are huge on Sergio which is reasonable given the talent displayed but he has NEVER fought the caliber of fighters that 6 division Champion Oscar De La Hoya did…. Reality is that ODH was ALOT better boxer than most give him credit for being and he challenged himself right up to the bitter end….How many guys would have gone after Hops at 157 or 160 after watching what he did to Trinidad?? ODH did not need Hopkins to do 1 million PPV buys, the guy was BALLSY to say the least…

Posted October 17, 2012 2:05 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark as for Trinidad, Mayweather, and Mosley who really knocked them out?? Felix was stopped for the ONLY time in his career by B-hop who was not getting beat by ANYONE at that weight during those years…. Mosley was put down as a YOUNG fighter ONLY by Forrest and not again till he was 90 years old facing Pacquiao completely washed up… Floyd Mayweather has NEVER been defeated nor legitimately knocked down…. So again Oscar deserves ALOT more credit for the 6 losses he incurred due to the level of comp and nothwithstanding Hopkins and Pac the CLOSE nature (2 debateable losses)……

Posted October 17, 2012 1:58 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Sturm is a SOLID MW with a questionable win and a questionable loss… Officially he has lost 3 times in 40 bouts so lets not pretend he is a BUM…. Sturm got stopped once in his career so does that mean every other guy is supposed to do it??? Multiple MW fighters did not take him out so lets not give ODH too much grief on his first test of the weight in what was supposed to be a tuneup…. Sturms a good fighter Tark…

Posted October 17, 2012 1:47 pm 


TARK

Javier C. was the only guy to knock Sturm out I guess, but Sturm would be knocked flat by Golovkin, Chavez, or Martinez… He hasn’t fought anyone.

Posted October 17, 2012 1:31 pm 


TARK

Yeah, but Sturm??? Among the guys who knocked Felix Sturm out??? Little Javier Castiellijo.. Who fought mostly at welter and supr welter…and who Oscar fought at 154… I also named some Jr Welters and Welters Oscar failed to knock down. Pac has a great chin so I don’t see power as the deciding factor, or jabbing … Speed, endurance, and volume punching would carry the day.

Posted October 17, 2012 1:26 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark as for Sturm we BOTH know that Oscar was not effective as a 160 pound fighter his fights against Sturm and the much larger Hopkins proved that…

Posted October 17, 2012 12:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Ricky Hatton was a punching bag who despite a swarming and tough style was there to be hit…He was NO match for Pac Mans speed and his techical skills are not worth discussing as it pertains to be effective against elite fighters the likes of Mayweather and Pacquiao…. BOTH guys did excellent jobs but Ricky was a brawler not boxer who will NEVER be reknown for his jab of defensive capabilities..You must NOT have seen the Cotto/Pacquiao fight because Miguels jab was snapping Mannys head back for 3 rounds and even during spots when he retreated…. Cotto could not keep up during exchanges and that was his undoing, Manny was TOO fast and that was all she wrote…. His jab did NOT decide that fight….

Posted October 17, 2012 12:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark I NEVER made a big deal of Mosleys jab we KNOW he is more of a fighter than boxer even though he tries to take a boxers posture at time… But Shane in his youth and beyond proved to be one of the strongest and most durable fighters in boxing… He could take a GREAT shot even as an old man and was NEVER stopped in the ring…. He fought as high as 154 with solid results till his decline….As for ODH going the distance with some fighters lets be honest NO ONE in the past 20 years fought a better cast of fighters… Prime Mosley, Trinidad, Carr, versions of Whitaker, Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Vargas…. ODH passed thru a gauntlet and his losses were to ALL HOF level boxers and 2 were UTTERLY debateable ONE (Trinidad) a robbery…Saying that a PRIME Oscar could not hurt Pac Man is disingenous, YES he could have but we can only remember the drubbing that Pac Man put on Oscar at the end… I give Pac credit but that was the WORST version of ODH ever seen in a boxing ring

Posted October 17, 2012 12:45 pm 


Titopa

SREDMOND – Exactly my man! They all say “Nonito needs to fight someone who’ll fight back”, well, Vic Darchinyan sure tried, What happened? Oh yeah, he was KTFO. Montiel tried, what happened? Oh yeah, he was KTFO. Vazquez Jr. tried, what happened? Oh yeah, he was outboxed and dropped on his a**. Mathebula tried, somewhat, what happened? Oh yeah, his jaw was cracked and he was on his rear. The moment Nishioka tried, he was put on the seat of his pants and his corner had to rescue him. These comments about Donaire are HILARIOUS! The kid will destroy ANYONE who thinks they can beat him. But, they’re all scared to even try.

Posted October 17, 2012 12:41 pm 


Titopa

When Rigo gets in there with Nonito, he’s going to find out real quick that this isn’t the amateurs, he’s going to find out that all he’s fought (in the pros) were a bunch of guys who aren’t even near the level of Nonito…that “I can knock you out” mentality will be put to rest the moment Nonito throws two punches, he’s going to find out that he CANNOT match Nonito’s skill level or power, Rigo will get hit and result to a shell of what he thinks he is. Nonito will stop this dude within 5 rounds if Rigo actually tries to win…but we all know, it’s going to be ANOTHER boring win for Donaire, because Rigo will be frightened stiff by Donaire’s speed & power.

Posted October 17, 2012 12:36 pm 


Titopa

Peej – So you’re saying that Nonito’s been matched with guys who “don’t fight back”?? How the hell does that even make sense? Darchinyan tried and Nonito put an end to his invincibility. Montiel tried and he was straight SMOKED and almost given a seizure. Vazquez Jr. tried and he was out boxed and dropped on his a**. Mathebula got his jaw cracked and the moment Nishioka tried, he was dropped like a bad habit. The problem is, ALL these fighters “think” they can beat Nonito, problem is, when they’re actually in front of him, the quickly realize, he’s TOO fast, TOO powerful and TOO skilled. PERIOD!

Posted October 17, 2012 12:32 pm 


TARK

Sred… You’re overrating DLH in some ways… Oscar had a good jab, but not “one of the best jabs in recent years.” Mosley didn’t have a great jab either. Mosley outjabbed Oscar in their first fight, but was very badly outjabbed by Forrest and Wright—guys Oscar never fought.. Pacquiao is a much better jabber than most recognize. He easily picked off Hatton, and outjabbing Cotto and Clottey with ease.. You’re also overrating Oscar’s power as well.. DLH scored no knockdowns vs Mosley, Trinidad, Whitaker, Mayweather, Sturm, Gonzalez and others. so his punch wasn’t a big threat to Pac.. MP is a good evasive defender who outscored Hatton 38-5 in the first round. He beats Oscar whenever they meet.. Not saying he’ll beat Floyd.

Posted October 17, 2012 12:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Pacquiao has enough trouble with Marquez, beating Mayweather would call for him to be a boxer beyond what he is capable…. Mayweather has avoided PLENTY of sunday punches… Manny can’t win that one…

Posted October 17, 2012 12:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Its bizzare that Donaire who has done FAR more in the sport somehow needs to prove himself against a guy who has LESS than half the fights??? 30 vs 11….. This is just more of the backward thinking used to discredit a guy moving up thru the weight classes and making a mockery of the norm….The fighter he just destroyed had been at the weight OR higher for around 13 fights and had just defeated the once great Rafael Marquez…. Yet 3 fights in at 122, Donaire abusing him is supposed to be no big deal??

Posted October 17, 2012 12:24 pm 


Pain

Simple.

Donaire beats Rigondeaux.
Pacquiao beats Mayweather.

Posted October 17, 2012 12:22 pm 


Koolz

Rigondeaux could not beat Donaire

Posted October 17, 2012 12:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Mbuy, what are you basing Rigo being the top dog on?? How do you validate this assertion absent waxing on about how he was a terrific amateur….. Reality is that there is a reason that new fighters are kept away from killers they are NOT ready…. Donaire would BLOW Rigo out of the ring, the guy would not know what happened and he would need video to make sense of his demise…. Donaire took on 3 guys now at the weight, one of them 5″11 which is a difficult fight for a guy who is 5″5…. He broke the mans jaw and put him down, he has put down EVERY guy he faced at 122 and the legend just keeps building…. When you have belts in 3 divisions you don’t need excuses that means you are moving thru the weight classes and taking out champs while taking on more risk…. You don’t percieve it as risk like many novices don’t because he is a GREAT fighter making it look easy….. The guy has reeled off something like 29 straight wins and has not lost in I believe 11 years…OF course he has to prove himself BUT a guy with 11 fights does NOT?? How is this remotely logical??? Donaire is going to eventually face the Gamboas of the world who is on a totally different tier than the likes of Rigo who needs to book another 5 or 10 wins against escalating competition….

Posted October 17, 2012 12:01 pm 


Mbuyiseli

Sred Chavez is a bum, please let him fight people his own size. he can’t even cut the flippin ring. Who is a better boxer Rigo or Chavez. Please fone a friend. Martinez got careless/fatigue had a role to play. Margarito and Chavez are the same to me catch puches in the face that is all they do. Like I said let him fight at 168 or higher and see him put to sleep.

Posted October 17, 2012 11:57 am 


SREDMOND

As for Chavez Jr being better or worse than Rigo athletically thats a silly comparison… Good or bad Chavez had 46 professional bouts and sorry that counts for something relative to a guy with 11 or so bouts…. How many world class guys has Rigo beat??? Chavez Jr just did 12 with the best MW in the world and despite a drubbing for 11 rounds he was still coming in the 12th round and hurt Martinez worse than anyone has in YEARS… He beatdown Andy Lee who was a solid fighter at the weight…Is Chavez Jr a monument to skill? of course not but he has proven tough and dangerous over the course of 4x the number of professional fights that Rigo has…. This is the BEST test of Donaire you can think of? Perhaps you don’t know boxing…. I have seen a ton of guys look good for a min only to get destroyed when they step up in comp like that…..Gary Russell and Broner have WAY more bouts than Rigo and are just getting ready to go to the next level because the step up is IMMENSE…. Donaire has better fights on the horizon than a newbie who has looked good for 11 contests…. Get real…How is Rigo supposed to test Donaire when Nonito would be the OVERWHELMING favorite due to his body of work and experience….

Posted October 17, 2012 11:51 am 


Mbuyiseli

Therefore he rather fight Donaire sloppy seconds, he will not fight Mare just like Donaire. Is that still his fault or the GBP & TR beef. I’m sorry Sred we just should agree to disagree on this matter. What’s wrong in unifying belts? Rigo is trying to do that with his stable mate. If Guerrero can holla Mayweather’s name then Rigo has every right to call out Donarie. Why should he go up in weight? The champs at 126lbs can use the same lame excuse that Donaire just used. His excuses after the fight were appalling. You are actually doing a far better job of defending him than he did last Saturday. Is Arce better comp than Rigo if not you whole argument has holes in it and you know it. If we end up with Donaire vs Arce then you can’t defend him.

Posted October 17, 2012 11:45 am 


SREDMOND

ODH was still a VERY dangerous fighter the night he faced Mayweather… He was 34 years old and strong at 154…He was not some chump or pushover and Floyd was 30 himself, certainly not old but not a baby…. Both guys were relevant world class fighers (Oscar a champ at the weight) it was a dud fight…. Sometimes that happens when you are dealing with high quality opponents who respect eachother no matter the rhetoric…. Maybe some of you have been watching too much Alvarado/Rios to assess the difference between highly skilled elite boxer squaring off as opposed to a couple of highly entertaining face first brawlers destined for the psych ward 5 years post retirement…

Posted October 17, 2012 11:36 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, I give Pac Man credit for beating Oscars ass but I am not so sure he would prevail during Oscars prime… ODH could hit VERY hard and he was techically sound with one of the better jabs in recent history…. I would not be surprised to see a younger ODH be able to put Manny on the defensive and keep him at bay…. Marquez did it without Oscars physicality and god knows he took some shots to achieve his aims (JMM)….. Mayweather is another animal he is techincally as close to flawless as I have seen in the past 20 years or so…..He would always find away to avoid the big shot and outbox De La Hoya….. Manny likes to take blows, the night he fought Oscar, ODH scarcely landed a solid punch….

Posted October 17, 2012 11:29 am 


SREDMOND

Mbuy, I am basing my opinion of Rigo on his SHORT tenure as a professional (11 bouts) reality is that Donaire has knocked out a number of world class fighters on his climb up the scales and has scarcely been troubled (Darchinyan, Montiel) the clamor for him to fight a guy who is a big deal as an amateur does NOT impress me… You discuss emotions YET you forecast greatness for Rigo based on a choreographed outcome ie (had he turned pro earlier) well the reality is that he has NOT… I would rather see Donaire face Mares or Gamboa at some point as opposed to a guy who is living largely off his amateur accomplishments…. Sorry but dudes fighting 3 rounds with headgear don’t correlate as well with professional success in my mind (Mark Breland)…..As for being tested the reality is that NO matter how badly he blasts the comp out, Donaire is going to get dinged he is ALREADY a 3 division Champion and just knocked out a guy who had not lost in 8 years…. He is fighting LOFTY expectations more than his opponents at this point….

Posted October 17, 2012 11:25 am 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo if you notice I base my opinion on a FAR more prime ODH losing to Shane Mosley because he was often mechanical and KNOWN for having stamina issues in the latter rounds…Mayweather WAS always WAY faster than ODH who had very good speed in his prime but was NEVER otherworldly ala Mayweather or Pacquiao in that regard…. Guys like Mosley and Whitaker gave Oscar problems because they were far more fluid than the stiff yet hard hitting Oscar…. Read more carefully and you will get the point.

Posted October 17, 2012 11:19 am 


Mbuyiseli

Sredmond lets not use emotions when we trying to analyse this scenario. Rigo is far better than Mathebula and the 2 past fighters put together. It’s not the amount of fights its level the comp is at. Trying to emphasise my point, Chavez Jr has more fights than Rigo is a better boxer/athlete? Lets no punish this guy due his nationality. If he was born in any other country he would’ve made his mark already. Resume can fool a lot of people too. Whilst Chavez has been fighting cab drivers and tomato cans, what do we call his resume, a farce. Why I’m eager to unleash Donaire on Rigo its due to the fact that good fights are hardly made these days. JuanMa vs Gamby what happened to that? Its dead and buried. Even if one loses they can still rebound and look for a future rematch if they keep winning. All we want is to see Donaire tested, nothing more nothing less.

Posted October 17, 2012 11:11 am 


TARK

Vernon Forrest, just before he had all the problems with his left elbow and shoulder, at about the time he dominated Mosley, would have beaten Oscar as well… An important thing is getting the right fights at the right time.

Posted October 17, 2012 10:56 am 


TARK

If Mosley beat prime Oscar on speed, Pacman beats him on speed as well… It wouldn’t be the clobbering and stoppage Oscar absorbed from Pac, but it would be a claar cut victory. Oscar fought with hs face a little foreward and slightly hunched down and guys with extremely quick leads, like Shane, Floyd, B-Hop, and Pac took advantage. Winky Wright would have beaten Oscar when they were both Super WW champs by exploiting of the same issue.

Posted October 17, 2012 10:50 am 


Hidalgo

“Oscar beating Mayweather was NEVER going to be a sure thing” SRedmond, you’re basing your opinion on what you saw in the Mayweather/DLH fight. THAT Oscar was nowhere near the caliber of Prime Oscar. And, trying to point out anything that EITHER fighter did in that fight, that was great, is unqualified BS. That fight was a choreographed joke, and, I’ve said if before and I’ll say it again now–just like Larry Merchant did: “It was a glorified sparring match.” That’s is. Prime Oscar was much more dangerous than the foe Jr. faced on that night. Everyone who knows anything about boxing knows that.

Posted October 17, 2012 10:28 am 


SREDMOND

Trying to ding Donaire based on not having gotten to a fighter with 11 pro fights no matter how impressive his amateur record is seems pretty weak… Seriously WTF has this guy done as a pro? When Donaire had 11 bouts NO ONE was screaming that everyone had to fight him? He burst on the scene when he destroyed Darchiniyan and had close to 20 fights….Donaire is in the situation that the next ranked fighter he beats easily we will be giving him grief for that…. Guys like Donaire, May and Pac who are multi-division Champs simply get penalized for making very good boxers look pathetic at times….

Posted October 17, 2012 9:43 am 


SREDMOND

Oscar beating Mayweather was NEVER going to be a sure thing… Floyd was always, faster and more technically gifted than ODH even at his absolute peak…Shane Mosley who was NEVER a pure boxer on par with Mayweather was able to beat Oscar based on handspeed and stamina in their first fight (juiced or not)… Mayweather never gets tired and despite being somewhat tentative at 154 vs ODH he still reduced Oscars offense to mush and was countering De La Hoya sharply in the latter rounds…Prime ODH vs Pac is somewhat harder to call, due to Oscars size advantage and enough speed and and prime assets to make his night hard…

Posted October 17, 2012 9:38 am 


TARK

Herron…. I agree Conte is a very intelligent man and a “nice” man. He’s a smart con artist who knows how to flimflam people. He didn’t tell his athletes he was giving them PED’s—they found out when they tested positive and were banned or sanctioned by their repective sports. Boxing just happens to be a sport with a lot of extremely nice, gullible people in it. I don’t buy Conte’s “reformed fallen angel” act. While advising people to avoid the wicked Jesus Christ asked, “Can a leopard change his spots?” The fact that Andre Berto tested positive gives anyone a clue to the answer to this question. Just because a PED is undetectable now doesn’t mean next week they won’t develop a test for it. When it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, there’s reason to suspect it IS a duck. Just because a man is “Mr. Personality” and has developed and refined a fabulous line of bull, doesn’t mean he’s not fooling you or using you … You’ve probably seen the movie, “Catch Me If You Can” and it gives just a taste of how convincing con artists can be.

Posted October 17, 2012 9:03 am 


malachi

i know somebody who’s not scared of pacman and pac cant beat em, he’s tried three times!!….yuup!

Posted October 17, 2012 8:49 am 


malachi

i believe it’s all business.donaire is saying for rig to get his weight up and fight some more notables so they can actually fight for a big purse which would generate a lot of interest and $$$…but donaire needs to step it up im thinking after the arce fight then he needs to fight one of the icon guys in that division to keep his self afloat….yezzzir!

Posted October 17, 2012 8:45 am 


GIRRI

PACQUIAO OWNS MAYWEATHER, AND MAYWEATHER KNOWS THAT VERY WELL.

PACQUIAO’S IS MAYWEATHER’S NIGHTMARE EVERYNIGHT, PACQUIAO’S ON MAYWEATHER’S PLATE EVERY BREAKFAST, PACQUIAO’S ON THE HORIZON WHILE MAYWEATHER IS DRIVING HIS CAR IN THE FREEWAYS, PACQUIAO’S A LETTER IN EVERY WORD MAYWEATHER UTTERS.

WITHOUT PACQUIAO, MAYWEATHER’S LIFE IS PLAIN NORMAL AND LONELY.

WITH PACQUIAO, MAYWEATHER’S LIFE IS FULL OF ANXIETY AND NERVOUSNESS.

MAYWEATHER’S HEART IS FILLED WITH PACQUIAO.

SCARED.

Posted October 17, 2012 8:37 am 


Bakie Longta

Donaire is unbeatable in 122 division. Too fast & strong, smart too. I’m sure top names will avoid him. He made almost all his fights walk in the park.

Posted October 17, 2012 3:44 am 


Joseph Herron

Tark, I’m not the one who’s misguided here…think about the way he was nabbed while working with some of the athletes in MLB.

Was he busted because one of his clients tested positive? No

He was nabbed because someone rolled over on him.

He paid his debt to society for perjury.

Why would a very intelligent guy like Victor, who is a very nice person that is genuinely thankful for the fact that he still has a business, shoot himself in the foot after he’s been given a second chance to succeed?

Man…I’m going to get Victor to come on my show so you guys can listen to him speak and then decide for yourselves.

But after you hear him talk about what he went through, I think you will change your minds about Victor Conte and what kind of person he is.

Posted October 17, 2012 2:21 am 


TARK

Herron…. I believe you’re slightly misguided asking, “Do you really think Victor Conte would screw up the opportunity that he’s been given by Nonito Donaire, Andre Ward, Andre Berto, Eddie Chambers, etc?” … He’s screwed up opportunities before. Many of his athletes have tested positive for PED’s because he continues to think it’s easy to outsmart the system. Not just Conte, but many criminals feel they’ve learned so much from their mistakes they will never get caught breaking the law again. To folks like Conte, Lance Armstrong, etc, the only sin is being dumb and getting caught — NOT breaking the law. Conte is a professional bamboozeler. He charms people with a great line of BS and many fall for it.. After surviving the Iran-Contra Scandal Reagan was asked what his greatest asset as a politician was. RR uttered these words, “Poise… Poise is the art convincing people you’re a prince after you’ve behaved like a jackass.”

Posted October 17, 2012 1:57 am 


Hidalgo

“Hard to compete against a resume of Jorge Paez,Genaro Hernandez,Chavez,Whitaker,Camacho,Mosely twice(Prime),Trinidad,Gatti,Vargas,Hopkins,Mayweather,Pac.” There it is!

Posted October 17, 2012 1:35 am 


Hidalgo

“Sheeeesh!!” LOL! Okay Joseph, I got it now! :)

Posted October 17, 2012 1:28 am 


TheFacts

Hidalgo makes a great point besides knowledgeable boxing fans people didn’t really start caring about floyd/pac till they fought Oscar.One thing I can say about Oscar & to his ignorant haters is they couldn’t walk a day in his shoes.One of the great traits of Oscar was he fought the best regardless of age,size,skill ducked no one can’t say the same for pac/floyd mostly pac floyd has at least fought some of the best for part his career.Hard to compete against a resume of Jorge Paez,Genaro Hernandez,Chavez,Whitaker,Camacho,Mosely twice(Prime),Trinidad,Gatti,Vargas,Hopkins,Mayweather,Pac. Hard resume to compete or beat, floyd & pacs combined could probably do it.& Yes a prime Oscar fought a juicy Vargas/mosely in his prime twice & did awfully well not the 39 yr juice free floyd & pac fought.Prime Oscar>floyd-pac so Hidlago would be correct.

Posted October 16, 2012 9:55 pm 


Joseph Herron

That’s my son’s favorite movie, Havoc…I threw that in there for him.

Good job catching it!! lol

Posted October 16, 2012 8:53 pm 


Peej

Titopia the problem is with the Japanese fighter is that he hasn’t fought in 15 months, he fought Marquez yes but Marquez is way past his prime and he still had some trouble with him even though he clearly won. Nonito needs to fight someone that will fight back. Now yes this guy was ranked number 1 in the division which is hard for me to understand considering he hasn’t fought in 15 months. I was looking forward to the fight until the first round when it was clear he was not going to try and win the fight. No fault of Donaires but he needs to fight the top fighters at 122 and not move up. He hasn’t really fought the top dog in any division except for the Darchinian and Montiel which of course he had spectacular KO’s in. But that is what he has to do.

Posted October 16, 2012 8:46 pm 


TheFacts

Titopa,If nonito beats Rigo which I doubt I’ll give him full credit like I gave rios for finally stepping up(Still haven’t forgot about that clear robbery but he’s earned some respect back).As for nonito he’s not smoking anybody anytime soon & you need to stop smoking whatever it is you’re on.Probably Salvia got you tripping like nonito when Rigo name comes up lol.No duh nonito’s better than everybody he’s beaten he’s bigger than them he should, stating the damn obvious.

Posted October 16, 2012 8:42 pm 


Havoc

The past is history, the future is a mystery, today is a gift that is shy they call it present! Nice!….Kung Fu Panda! Lol!

Posted October 16, 2012 8:12 pm 


Hidalgo

“…the casual fans of boxing didn’t recognize their true talents until they beat up on Oscar De La Hoya on the biggest stage of boxing.”

Joseph, both Pacquiao and Mayweather “beat up on” De la Hoya well after he was out of his prime (If you want to call the pitty-pat sparring match Oscar and Floyd had, a fight. There was no beating delivered by either man in that fight). Had they fought Oscar when he was at the top of his welterweight game, Oscar would have beat both of them.

Posted October 16, 2012 8:04 pm 


Havoc

Yeah, but his last 3 opponents looks like a midget compare to Nonito’s size!

Posted October 16, 2012 7:58 pm 


Titopa

TheFacts – When Donaire smokes Rigo, everyone’s gonna say “well, he was green, he wasn’t ready”…there’s always an excuse. Nishioka hasn’t lost in years, he DESTROYED Gonzalez and completely outboxed Rafa Marquez, but when Donaire made him look foolish, suddenly Nishioka “wasn’t all that good”. BS. The reason why he didn’t look good was because Nonito is worlds better than him and anyone he’s beaten. Any fool can see that.

Posted October 16, 2012 7:00 pm 


TheFacts

2face nonito fans didn’t expect nothing less.Can’t take a damn opinion with out hurting their little feeling lol.Love messing with these prideful ignorant fools.

Posted October 16, 2012 6:45 pm 


Joseph Herron

You’re right, Boxtra…Nonito has been considered to be an elite level talent by fight scribes and boxing die hards for a while, but not the casual fight fans universally…that’s who I was referring too.

Just like Floyd and Manny, the casual fans of boxing didn’t recognize their true talents until they beat up on Oscar De La Hoya on the biggest stage of boxing.

That’s what the article is about.

Posted October 16, 2012 6:39 pm 


Boxtradamus

FALSE. Donaire has been in the Pacquiao zone for YEARS. I can SEE you saying that he just entered the Castle and taken the throne at 122 but Donaire has BEEN established as one of the BEST in the Sport along with Pacquiao for the last few YEARS……Maybe you were SLEEPING like Rumplestiltskin and you just joined the PARTY.

Posted October 16, 2012 6:36 pm 


rca

See? The haters are now insinuating that Nonito might be using drugs? What did I say about the Pac haters that are now insinuating/accusing another Filipino elite fighter without proof. After Nonito dispose of the Cuban pretender and the bogus accusations are laughed off, they will say the Cuban is old, past his Olympic heydays had a bad training camp etc., etc., . It will be funny if the ducker Floyd will challenge Nonito at a catchweight say 147 max. and pronounce to the world that he does not duck Filipino fighters and that he thinks Nonito is clean and offers Nonito 20% of the provided the fight is in Vegas and they would use 12 oz. gloves.

Posted October 16, 2012 5:57 pm 


Joseph Herron

Cont…you would know that Berto isn’t a cheater and he didn’t have an intent to defraud the sport.

Posted October 16, 2012 5:44 pm 


Joseph Herron

You really should check the facts, Facts…have you ever wondered why Berto wasn’t suspended by the CSAC?

Because the supplement Berto was taking to repair his bicep injury naturally metabolized into nandastrolone

His positive test wasn’t high enough to incriminate him for trying to get an unfair advantage in the ring. If you did your diligence instead of espousing ignorance.

Posted October 16, 2012 5:41 pm 


Peej

Donaire needs to step up and fight someone. He can talk all he wants about Rigo not having enough fights but if im not mistaken Leon Spinks fought for the Heavyweight Championship in his 8th fight, Floyd fought his title in his 13 fight and apparently Rigo go his in his 9th fight I guess. Rigo wants the fight and whether he can beat Donaire or not must be determined in the ring. I just think he will actually fight back, something most boxers havent done. In Donaires last fight the fighter actually fought back and had a lot of success. So all these guys he has been fighting has been turning most folks off of Donaire because he comes up with excuses with certain fighters and takes on lesser fighters

Posted October 16, 2012 5:37 pm 


TheFacts

Joseph Herron, one word “berto” enough said.That was this year.

Titopa-, Thought I clearly stated I wasn’t accusing nonito just had to question/keep an eye on anybody near conte smart one.

Posted October 16, 2012 5:18 pm 


Titopa

TheFacts – Rigo needs to remember that this is the PROS, this is NOT the freakin’ amateurs…he needs to fight and beat some B level fighters before he thinks he can tangle with the A level/P4P fighters like Donaire.

Posted October 16, 2012 5:15 pm 


TheFacts

If Rigondeaux fears Donaire he is career suicide for the real elite”p4p” fighter why is Nonito always the one making excuses like pac & nervous/stu-stuttering? all the time haha nonito shook & you fans just make it worse.Just sign the contract nonita sign the contract his fans will be quite throughout the fight just praying & if he loses they’ll breakdown just like their idol.Nonita fans have no right to talk till their hero stops running & signs the dotted line till then stop making a fool out of yourself. Rigo called out the whole division (top 10) so it’s not just nonito shook don’t worry.

Posted October 16, 2012 5:13 pm 


Titopa

TheFacts – “One more thing if people don’t want nonito to get accused of peds like his idol pac then maybe he shouldn’t hang around with guys like victor conte.I’m not one of those accusers even though I have to question anybody around Conte”. Hahaha! That whole part made me laugh, you’re “not accusing” yet you bring it up? haha! you’re funny.

Posted October 16, 2012 5:13 pm 


Joseph Herron

Facts, it’s amazing how you should check the facts before posting…Victor is a great guy who is really trying to make amends and he has boxing to thank for being the only sport that is willing to give a guy like Victor a second chance.

Do you really think that he would screw up the opportunity that he’s been given by Nonito Donaire, Andre Ward, Andre Berto, Eddie Chambers, etc?

He is trying to work with commissions and promoters to help clean up the sport.

Judge slowly, Facts.

Posted October 16, 2012 5:13 pm 


TheFacts

Donaire vs. Arce
Donaire vs. Rigondeux
Donaire vs. Mares.Moreno winner(Could go either way.
Donaire vs. Juan Ma Lopez(Replace with Gamboa)
Donaire vs. Salido
Donaire vs. Broner

Like you said,Donaire is yet to fight one though people are still waitng.”Pacquiao zone” if by that he means the new Mr. overrated then yea probably.One more thing if people don’t want nonito to get accused of peds like his idol pac then maybe he shouldn’t hang around with guys like victor conte.I’m not one of those accusers even though I have to question anybody around Conte to a degree(berto).

Posted October 16, 2012 4:59 pm 


lman

What i would like to see is donaire enter the froch zone, know what i mean

Posted October 16, 2012 4:58 pm 


pride

Rambling piece…give me a present and don’t write here again.

Posted October 16, 2012 4:31 pm 


Pain

Donaire is career suicide for Rigondeaux.

Posted October 16, 2012 3:58 pm 


Aldawg

If Rigo really wanted to fight Donaire why wasn’t he at the fight and scout him out. He could have easily ask his promoter for a ticket ringside. If he really wants to fight Donaire, he could climb inside the ring and call him out in his face. Enough of you Filipino haters talking smack. If you guys are true fans of Rigo, then you need to send him tweets and letters asking him to call out Donaire in the media ala Nosioki Until then, stop cryin’.

Posted October 16, 2012 3:56 pm 


Chicago guy

Don’t worry guys Nonito is doing the right steps one by one from bottom to the top. Arce next then Rigo the joke or Abno Mares.

Posted October 16, 2012 3:13 pm 


Peej

It’s not Donairs fault that some of these fighters don’t open up. But it is his teams fault and they know who they are putting him in there with. The last guy hasn’t had a fight in 15 months and in his last fight he had a split decision with a fighter past his prime and that does not belong at 122. They should put him in there with someone that wants to fight. Like Mares or Rigo or the guy Mares is fighting

Posted October 16, 2012 2:24 pm 


Pain

Rigondeaux fears Donaire.

Posted October 16, 2012 2:21 pm 


rca

Nonito might appear somewhat boring at times, particlularly when his opponents are unwilling to engage and who can blame them after seeing what happened to Vic, Montiel, Mathebula and now Nishioka. As they say in dance, it takes two to tango and if the fighter in front of you refuses to mix it up, you do the best you can to appease the bloodthirsty crowd and win at the same time, and he’s doing it.

Posted October 16, 2012 2:11 pm 


terror tim

I like Donaire but I agree with The Best. He has to make those fights happen and since one is TR there is really no excuse. Enough of this that Rigo isn’t known enough, that is just cowardice talk, He is more known than your last 3 opponents. I would probably favor Donaire vs anyone at 136 or less but it is time to start making the fights. He wants to be the next big star he has the talent and boxing is starved for a top fighter to take on other fighters in their prime with no run arounds or catch weights. Manny and Mayweather both don’t care to do that. Don’t be like everyone else Donaire, take the risky fights and leave no doubts to your critics. Until than you won’t be making the top dollar, not at your weight classes.

Posted October 16, 2012 2:00 pm 


The Best!

Two guys are there waiting Donaire. Abner and Guillermo, until he beats them then you can speak of how great he is.

Posted October 16, 2012 1:50 pm 


mando323

I think Donaire is a great talent but he hasn’t learned much in his past fights when fighters continue to shell up. He refuses to jab, go to the body, and didn’t use much of a straight right against Nishioka till the end a lefty. The reasons his fights are boring is because he only wants to smash people with that monster left hook and his offensive skill isn’t varied so its easy for opponents to look out for that punch plus he doesn’t like to initiate offensively as much since he doesn’t jab. He loves doing that bunny step move and maybe training himself has stumped his growth and actually regressed? Pac actually improved remember the right ice or whatever in the second morales fight and has 100 x more passion and gression especially in the smaller weights when he had a speed and power advantage..

Posted October 16, 2012 1:46 pm 


Mookie Blaylock

donaire is already 30 something years old, beating up fighters he’s outweighing by 20 pounds on fight nite

Posted October 16, 2012 1:44 pm 


Titopa

Donaire is master…the ONLY reason why Nishioka looked average was because Nonito is EXTREMELY above average, he was frozen with fear once he realized the man that was in front of him. Donaire will beat ANY 122lber out there. They can talk a big game and claim this and that, but like Nishioka and the past few, they’ll freeze too, Donaire is too good.

Posted October 16, 2012 1:33 pm 


malachi

the flash will be the next star in my opinion…eazy!

Posted October 16, 2012 1:14 pm 


malachi

the flash vs. mares/moreno winner letting rig built his resume up a tad then beating him and then i think people would give my man his full respect but yes i too agree that donaire has to step it up a notch eventhough i believe he’d pass any test out there….yezzzir!

Posted October 16, 2012 1:12 pm 


Havoc

He fought smaller guys! Pacqiuoa fought bigger guys! Not there yet if you ask me!

Posted October 16, 2012 1:12 pm 


OneChampPerDivision

good post from hecdog

fight Rigo!!!!

Posted October 16, 2012 1:10 pm 


hecdog

What else can I say about Donaire. He’s a media fabricated fighter that has not fought the top guys out there, and his BS excuse about Rigondeux needing more fights is crap! If you’re a champion you should want to fight the best period. Rigondeaux, even though he doesn’t have a lot of fights is a seasoned professional, and has been since his amateur days, which by the way, his record and the guys he beat were world class. I know it wasn’t the pros, but a solid amateur and international boxing back ground means a lot. Time for Donaire to stop running from the true challenges. I know Arum wants to make money and he has control of his fights, but come on Donaire, you’re fooling anyone by beating guys like Nishioka. At least Mares and Moreno are fighting each other as real champions do. Until you’ve fought one or both of thee guys, you’re nothing special.

Posted October 16, 2012 1:00 pm 


tea

i agree with pain, 4 or 5 fighters out there and he needs to fight all or most of them. but he’s a good fighter .

Posted October 16, 2012 12:56 pm 


Koolz

Donaire vs. Arce

I want to see that fight before Donaire decides to move up.

Posted October 16, 2012 12:53 pm 


Mookie Blaylock

what a JOKE he’s only fighting OLD farts narvarez, nisihoka, and now arce and this is a P4P fighter

Posted October 16, 2012 12:27 pm 


srminimo

I used to think Rigo would have the goods to beat Donaire but after he was put on jelly legs in his last fight I’m not so sure anymore. Rigo came back to dominate, but he can certainly be hurt, and Donaire’s speed and power are just freezing guys out there. Other than Vázquez, who looked lost out there for the first 4-5 rounds but actually made a run at the end, Donaire’s last foes have not wanted any part of him.

Posted October 16, 2012 12:15 pm 


Pain

Rigo is unproven. He is the one hesitant to fight Donaire since he is career is just shaping up by fighting journeymen and taxi drivers. Facing Donaire will put him back to square one. Rigo is overrated.

Posted October 16, 2012 12:08 pm 


Peej

They need to put Donair in with a threat. The last guy hasn’t fought in 15 months and it certainly didn’t look like he wanted to win. Put him in with Mares or Rigo. He comes up with excuses on why he can’t fight certain fighters but then fights these other guys with glossy records who do not show up to fight

Posted October 16, 2012 11:59 am 


Pain

Donaire vs. Arce
Donaire vs. Rigondeux
Donaire vs. Mares
Donaire vs. Juan Ma Lopez
Donaire vs. Salido
Donaire vs. Broner (unlikely but still wanna see him step it all the way up)

Posted October 16, 2012 11:49 am 


SREDMOND

Donaire has that cobra like quality that one used to see in RJJ…. Basically if you create an opening he will be thru it so fast you won’t know what hit you…. All his opponents know it and guys like Montiel and Darchiniayan learned the hard way….Clearly this guy is a special and elite fighter and Roy Jones who is pretty damn good as a commentator is huge on him…. Lets get real when is the last time Donaire looked like he was in trouble or in danger of losing? The only question is when and if he will knock his opponent out….

Posted October 16, 2012 11:11 am 


TARK

Donaire was amazing. Immediately apparent was the superiority of Donaire’s stance and the placement of his hands—allowing him to lead effortlessly with jabs or crackling power shots while everything Nishioka threw looked tentative, slow, and difficult. Donaire was a fast and fluid athlete versus a stiff and slow washerwoman. If you judged Nishioka off this fight you’d think he was a plodding 6-round fighter with a crude, overly defensive stance. I expected TN’s corner to scream at him, “LOOSEN UP!” Donaire was almost too exuberant with his footwork at times, spinning around twice and almost wrenching his right knee. He had to deliberately calm his nerves and be patient because his tendency is like a racehorse straining at the bit. ND’s intent was to relax and be patient, forget about the booing and force Nishioka to lead and engage—even attack—which took TN completely out of his game. The finish is one of the most brilliant I’ve ever seen—like a stunning checkmate while observers assumed there were 15 moves to go …. It was just one of those nights where everything clicks into place.

Posted October 16, 2012 10:52 am 


JoeKidd

Good observation. Nishioka was locked in defense mode all night. Pawing and coming forward but instant reflex to back-peddle and hightail it outta there! Like Bradley did…to win that fight! Maybe Nishioka was hoping on the same deal! Donaire & Pacquiao need to chase down these guys and corner them!

Posted October 16, 2012 10:43 am 


JpL

It’s been going downhill in terms of excitement since the Montiel fight. Only the ring girls are able to keep me awake during Donaire fights.

Posted October 16, 2012 10:13 am 


Ruslan Pateev

The Japansese fighter,Nishioka, is talking about Donaire like the Filipino is a demigod or something.You can`t beat an opponent if you think that he is some kind of invincible god. That is a self-defeatist attitude.Nishioka has been boxing for 18 years, maybe he has taken too many punches because when you think that your opponent is a god, then your brain has become damaged and your reasonng impaired.

Posted October 16, 2012 8:59 am 


rca

As expected the Pac haters are now bonafide Donaire haters. When he fights the pretentious and over-hyped Cuban and puts him on the canvas, these same people will come up with excuses like, he made the Cuban wait too long, the Cuban had an off-night. etc, etc and the most expected and asinine excuse would be…..drum roll please….. NONITO IS ON DRUGS !!!!. What a bunch of losers !!

Posted October 16, 2012 7:54 am 


olhh

another fighter hyped up whilst fighting in usa! quick but no skills to mix it with the best

Posted October 16, 2012 7:35 am 


Mbuyiseli

Donaire please fight Rigo then we can really see what you are really made of. Enough of the fights when your opponents just wanna make it to the last bell without hitting you back. Better yet you’ll fight a fading Arce. Top Skank at its best.

Posted October 16, 2012 7:27 am 


RAY GORDON REID

MANNNY PAC 7.OO AM 10/16/2O12

Posted October 16, 2012 6:55 am 


Daz

The most over-rated boxer of modern times

Posted October 16, 2012 6:42 am 


Fate1

Donaire no doubt Is one of the best p4p boxers today but his last few fights have been duds. He really needs to fight the best in the division.

Posted October 16, 2012 5:03 am 


The Mad Scientist

I like Nonito and I can appreciate his talent just as much as the next guy but who are they trying to kid here..Nishioka wasn’t the best at 122lbs and the boxing fans from harcore to casual weren’t clamoring to see that fight..I don’t really care if the ring magazine had the japanese fighter ranked #1..they also have Danny Garcia ranked as the recognize champ at 140lbs but we all know their are more dangerous sharks swimming around at jr welter than A mere Con..

Posted October 16, 2012 4:13 am 


the commentator

the expectations far exceed the fighter…

Posted October 16, 2012 3:37 am 



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