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TARK

You got that right.

Posted May 27, 2014 2:31 am 


Auzbox

Only goat floyd is. Is the one that runs from wolves. Ten guys better than him all time easily

Posted May 25, 2014 6:15 am 


TARK

Sredmond you’re an IDIOT!!! … You can’t read.

I never said Floyd wasn’t worth a nickle you blithering moron.. He’s been the GOAT for a long while but now he’s taking advantage of his position like Leonard and Robinson did.. He’s avoiding guys with the potential to give him an ass beating.. He’s trying to preserve his position instead of giving us great fights.

He has to be careful because one of these 2nd rate fighters might kick his ass.. Then there’s no more GOAT for him.. Only ridicule.. He’s living off the fat of the land and doesn’t want to test himself anymore.

If Floyd fights Lara, Porter, or Pacquiao that will show us something… He’s showing us he’s a coward..

Canelo was 22 when he signed for Floyd.. a greenie.. probably at least 7 or 8 years from his peak knowledge and skills… than Canelo came in unprepared and weight drained and gave a dismal effort.

All these other ATG’s have had great fights and trilogies, and Floyd never had one dramatic fight… He needs to step up the comp.

Posted May 24, 2014 11:03 pm 


Anonymous

where’s the

pu$$y ?

Posted May 24, 2014 6:26 pm 


garlic sausages

Anonymous smokes the peperoni

Posted May 24, 2014 6:14 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, you are seriously a JOKE! You used to call Mayweather the GOAT Now suddenly “he’s not worth a nickel” man you were PUMPED about Canelo as an opponent as well as Cotto NOW suddenly Shawn Porter and Lara are the men for FMJ to beat.. Going from calling a fighter “The GOAT” to saying he’s “not worth a nickel” is a sign of severe mental instability.. Get Help

Posted May 24, 2014 4:18 pm 


pass the mustard

Anonymous likes the chippolatta

Posted May 24, 2014 2:02 pm 


TARK

People like Boxtra keep sucking Floyd’s bung hole all day long.

It doesn’t matter how good Floyd thinks he is, or good you think he is, if he ducks the best opponents out there — and fights guys who can’t box worth a nickle, like Khan and Maidana.

Lara and Porter have skills and might beat Floyd up… Pac might beat May somehow. Floyd loves his “O” more than he loves fighting the best. Those are the best.

He’s another Leonard and Robinson… ducking the best to fight the easy to beat.

Posted May 24, 2014 1:51 pm 


LOL

@uk,we hate you also.lol

Posted May 24, 2014 1:28 pm 


UK

I hate football, I hate Arsenal!!!

Posted May 24, 2014 10:58 am 


Anonymous

wheres the pu$$y ? lol

Posted May 24, 2014 10:31 am 


beans and bacon

@the Anonymous TROLL.go sniff mini mannys swetty pants,you uncle tom

Posted May 24, 2014 9:50 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Controlling Your Emotions Like a Puppet on a String

Floyd’s whole body language changes whenever he hears Manny’s name. He starts stuttering like a geeky snotty-nosed teen and waving his hands around like a music conductor with tourettes and getting all agitated and over emotional. There’s a very stark tangible contrast in his demeanour and he becomes noticeably uncomfortable. This never happens when Floyd’s name is brought up in Manny’s presence. Manny’s always ultra cool and composed, totally unaffected. brimming with an inner zen-like peace and confidence. In fact, the only noticeable difference in his body language is the slight turning up at the sides of his lips that forms the faint traces of a wry smile.

Body language does not lie. It’s the most universally understood language in the world. These primal non-verbal gestures and cues are recognized and understood by every culture and creed across the world. We even recognize them and use them to communicate with numerous other species apart from our own kind too, as indeed do many other species likewise also do to us as well.

Floyd is without doubt one worst liars I can think of. He’s woefully bad at trying to conceal his true inner feelings. He’s like an open book in that regard, so easy to read what he’s really thinking. His body language betrays him time and time again. The stream of words that pour out of his mouth are often at complete odds with his body language and he always seems totally oblivious to the fact that more he continues to prattle on to try and fool us into believing the act he’s putting on, the more he’s giving the game away and revealing his true feelings, insecurities, self-doubt and fears.

Posted May 24, 2014 9:10 am 


psy

Nice article Dan.
Boxing has been (always been) carved up by the myriad governing bodies and promoters. With a single well run organization in charge and 1 belt per division, boxing would be a proper sport rather than the popularity contest it is.
That said Ward is as much to blame as anyone else for his lack of big fights.
Also it is nice to hear Paul Williams name mentioned again, great guy and an absolute monster.

Posted May 24, 2014 9:05 am 


Dan Smith

I knew it was a fatal mistake…

Posted May 24, 2014 8:50 am 


DMX

I hate Arsenal more than Bernard Hopkins

Posted May 24, 2014 5:36 am 


Anonymous

Dan Smith

@Fight Aficionado

Football only has one meaning here! Ha, Arsenal…(cue yet more abuse, although will be refreshing for it not to be about boxing)

Please do not blaspheme on here, Dan.

No one likes or cares about Arsenal.

Posted May 24, 2014 5:00 am 


Boxtradamus

CORRECTION…..Floyd by World BALLING stoppage.

Posted May 23, 2014 9:17 pm 


Boxtradamus

There is no question that Pacquiao was and still is not rated higher than Mayweather by any EXPERTS while Floyd is fully active. Who is scared or not is not the factor. One time I was actually scared of a guy and I ended UP slamming him SO hard that he was momentarily paralyzed. SO being scared is not the factor. SKILLS IS. Floyd World BALLING stoppage.

Posted May 23, 2014 9:17 pm 


Dan Smith

@Fight Aficionado

Football only has one meaning here! Ha, Arsenal…(cue yet more abuse, although will be refreshing for it not to be about boxing)

Posted May 23, 2014 9:05 pm 


Anonymous

flomos inhabit their own separate reality, where insanity takes precedence over sanity and fiction and fantasy overrides truth and fact. arguing with them is as futile and pointless a task as washing the hull of a ship.

Posted May 23, 2014 8:49 pm 


Anonymous

there’s no question mayweather was and still is scared of pacquiao. it’s only the flomos who believe and argue otherwise, but the wider boxing community know better.

Posted May 23, 2014 8:44 pm 


Boxtradamus

I TOLD a poster named Iron Beach long ago that what is happening now would happen to Pacquiao. He had the opportunity of a LIFETIME when he brought the first BIG PPV to Showtime in a LONG time when every Big show was on HBO. The fool ruined it by facing #0 P4P Mosley when he should have been facing #3 P4P Marquez. The Fight was a one sided MISMATCH and turned a bunch of casual fans OFF on Boxing. The Fight was promoted everywhere. On all of the CBS news stations, the news shows, the magazines, the newspapers. And they take all of that momentum and put on a STINKER.

It was Pacquiao’s 3rd #0 P4P NON Championship caliber opponent in a row and the 3rd time in a row broke the camel’s back. His PPV numbers have never recovered from that blundering debacle.

Had he played his cards CORRECTLY his numbers would be even HIGHER right NOW and he could be blowing the ROOF off of Cowboys Stadium. He had the World in the palm of his hand and he BLEW it. Bad business moves and lack of Wisdom is what gets you 70 million dollars in debt. Thats what happens when you don’t take MY advice.

I TOLD you to abandon facing TOO many #0 P4P in a row but NOW you want to finally take MY advice when its TOO LATE. YOU should have done it on Showtime like I TOLD you to and you would have been making 100 million a year SOONER than Floyd. Now you’ll NEVER do it.

Posted May 23, 2014 8:35 pm 


Boxtradamus

Boxing is on the RISE. A Boxer is making more money in Boxing right NOW than a Boxer has ever MADE. Even IF you take inflation into account. Also the current Top 3 Boxers in the World are BETTER than they’ve EVER been. Floyd, Ward, and Rigo’s SKILLS top ANY trio from ANY era. Some might add Pacquiao and remove Rigo or Ward. STILL the trio is more SKILLED than any trio of ANY era. Add in Kovalev, Mikey Garcia, Martinez, Klitschko, Donaire, and Martinez and the Top 10 are more SKILLED TOO. What’s in decline are Boxing fans attitudes and patience.

When Sugar Ray Robinson fought he got away with facing more NON ELITE tomato cans than the Salvation ARMY and he didn’t catch any flack for it. He’d line UP 20 tomato cans in ONE year and the fans would APPLAUD it.

But in 2014 Floyd faces a World CHAMP and gets lambasted and berated. Beats 11 World CHAMPS in 13 consecutive Fights and you have LOSERS out there who try to detract from it.

And then the FUNNY thing IS that that same LOSER will APPLAUD SRR who had faced more taxi cab drivers than a 60 yr old HOOKER.

That’s why sometimes I just sit back and laugh at all of these SOB SONG SINGERS.

While I continue to enjoy the BEST Boxers that have ever walked on this planet.

IF he came with the same effort that he DID against Floyd then Maidana would have HAMMERED Sugar Ray Robinson into the canvas IF Robinson was 37 yrs old. But against a 37 yr old Floyd he took a lopsided LOSS. Hopkins just beat a CHAMP at 49 yrs old and people blow it OFF likes its been done before. While I continue to be WOWED.

You can’t let your own understanding and enthusiasm for the Sport to be spoiled by a World full of SOURPUSSES.

Posted May 23, 2014 8:16 pm 


SREDMOND

The tired notion that Mayweather spends his waking moments in fear of Manny Pacquiao who SHOULD be waking up in a cold sweat thinking about JMM is corny.. Manny is NOT invincible, he has had a legendary career but he has liabilities that have felled him more than once..Mayweather is NOT scared of PAC the man simply won’t work with Arum and he does not need Manny to sell his fights…The Mayweather vs PAC fight is now a footnote in history, it’s STALE and neither guy would get full cred form a win.. Marquez 3 & 4 ended the idea that Manny was a force of nature, basically a 39 year old opponent showed the formula for getting to PAC and the excitement of 2010 died forever, people need to move on..There are other fights guys sound like the casual fan who does not know better

Posted May 23, 2014 7:59 pm 


D

“herol graham was another ducked fighter”

graham was ducked but he didn’t duck very well himself. otherwise he wouldn’t have been stretched for a thousand by julian jackson. that shot destroyed his career. terry norris was killed by a jackson missile too, ka-boom!

that’s why leonard got into a ring with norris. thought he’d tap that chin too. every time ray threw something big at norris terry clobbered him. norris was really slick and fast like graham

Posted May 23, 2014 7:21 pm 


Gus

why take a risk against a fighter who doesn’t draw peanuts but is a spoiler . Fighters at the top only take fights against a fighter ho is a big draw. whether it was Hearns or Leonard or Lewis or any top fighter they all avoided the risky fights with fighters who were not a big draw. Willie Pep would have fought Joe Louis for a million dollar purse- take a few light shots and take the dive.

Posted May 23, 2014 7:04 pm 


Boxing Fan

@TARK

True.

Posted May 23, 2014 4:49 pm 


TARK

…. “No fighter in the history of boxing has ever avoided fighting another boxer. It’s just not how the hurt business works.”

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

There sure are a lot of naive fans out there though. That’s why we have sh!t fights.

Posted May 23, 2014 4:36 pm 


Boxing Fan

@Fight Aficionado

Pretty sure he means by football what everyone in the world except gringos means by it.

@TARK

Don’t you know that the very idea of one fighter avoiding another is just a “fan driven concept” and thus (ipso facto) has no application in the real world? That’s right: no fighter in the history of boxing has ever avoided fighting another boxer. It’s just not how the hurt business works.

If in doubt about the veracity of my claim, please note that I was told this by none other than the great future HOF internet radio host Joseph Herron!

Posted May 23, 2014 4:03 pm 


Anonymous

sumbu kalambay was another under appreciated middleweight of that era. often victorious. often ducked by the biggest names

Posted May 23, 2014 3:58 pm 


Anonymous

hearns and leonard. possibly the 2 biggest duckers in fistic history

Posted May 23, 2014 3:53 pm 


TARK

I also failed to mention Mike McCallum.. He would have put the Hitman away too.

Posted May 23, 2014 3:49 pm 


TARK

Anonymous…, “The HITMAN. He was hittable and was consistently hit.”

Hearns sure was hit a lot… Especially by Iran Barkley and Marv Hagler.

James Toney—who beat Barkley so easily it was pathetic—never got the opportunity to hit Hitman… Hearns ran from him… Michael Nunn, another guy who whupped Barkley, but never had the opportunity to hit Hitman… Hearns ran from him… Nigel Benn, another guy who KO’d Barkley, but never had the opportunity to hit Hitman… Hearns ran from him … Also Reggie Johnson and Michael Nunn wanted opportunities to ht Hitman, which they never got… Steward was a careful matchmaker.

Paul Williams found out what getting hit was all about when Sergio went for the KO finish — rather than risk another corrupt judges’ decision going to Williams… Martinez was a little faster fisted than some of the guys who knocked out Hearns.

Posted May 23, 2014 3:47 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Dan Smith you’re a football fan, do you mean real football aka soccer or the NFL? Who’s your club?

Posted May 23, 2014 1:46 pm 


Andre Ward

I ain’t never leavin the USA. I only fight in my own backyard with my own Ref and my own Judges.

Posted May 23, 2014 1:43 pm 


Boxing Fan

Thanks Dan: you seem like a decent and intelligent bloke, so apologies for lumping you in with some of the piss-poor writers who publish here. I think your piece shows promise, but do be careful about potentially misleading headlines: to me, your headline suggests that boxing is in decline, and that people avoiding Ward is a symptom of this (how else to read it?), whereas that’s not really what you say in the piece itself. Given time constraints, people have to make a split decision about whether something is worth reading, and that kind of headline will put many off, as (as already mentioned) will the length.

Since you’re welcoming feedback, I might also just mention that for some finickety people like me, who expect journalists to have flawless English, we’re not impressed when a semi-colon is used wrongly in the first sentence. True, it won’t bother most people, but some it will, and first impressions count — it’s doubtless among the reasons I made the snap judgement that your piece wouldn’t be worth reading properly, for example.

Anyway, cheers, and have lots of fun delving into the boxing archives; there are many treasures to be found therein!

Posted May 23, 2014 11:25 am 


Dan Smith

@Boxing Fan

Greatly appreciated, I’m more than happy to receive criticism, in fact I welcome it as although I have great passion for boxing it has only recently properly prised me away from football, so I am playing catch up! Just ask that it be constructive, which you have now given me, and I genuinely will be taking it on board, particularly the part about the length of the article, as this has been highlighted already.
Thankyou for taking the time to read my piece and Thankyou also for the helpful pointers.

Posted May 23, 2014 11:01 am 


Boxing Fan

@Dan Smith

I apologise: frankly, I post here by way of procrastinating, i.e. avoiding doing my work, and I didn’t have time to read a 2000 word article (not do I find it easy to read such long pieces on the screen), so just very briefly skimmed it. Also, there have been so many poor articles on ESB in recent years that I’ve taken to ignoring the articles and responding to the headline for the most part.

In this case, the headline and the first sentence put me off (I do not believe that Ward is being “marginalised”). I also had disagreements with other things you wrote (e.g. your suggestion that Ward has been “incessantly calling” Froch out), and like others, I was a little shocked that you seem to have hardly heard of Paul Williams.

However, having just now taken the time to read it more carefully, I’ll give you this at least: it’s a WHOLE lot better written than most of the stuff that is published here. So I have disagreements (though unfortunately I don’t have time to discuss now as I REALLY must get on with my work), but it was wrong and arrogant of me to suggest that your article was beneath my notice.

Again, I sincerely apologise — though I might add that you might do better if you to made your articles more reader friendly, by e.g. making the paragraphs shorter, aiming to be more succinct, and using bullet points or some such. Unfortunately, when people read online, especially when it’s about entertainment (which is what boxing is for me), they typically won’t bother reading long screeds. Just a thought…

Posted May 23, 2014 10:29 am 


Boxing Fan/Martin

@Joseph

For the record, I’m reposting what I said about Ward below. However, I know that even if you happen to agree with some of it, you will not make it known here. Why not? Well, because you want to stay on good terms with Virgil Hunter.

This is another illustration of how your position in commenting here is compromised: you, unlike us, have a conflict of interests. We, unlike you, are free to give our actual opinions, without regard for whether or not it will have any repercussions for us further on down the line. But it’s also why I don’t much appreciate you telling is we’ve got it all wrong, and e.g. Floyd is just telling the truth: i.e. because you *would* say that, now wouldn’t you?

Anyway, for what it’s worth, here’s what I said about Ward. Feel free to disagree, but if you do I hope we will get your actual opinion rather than your opinion-keeping-in-mind-that-you-don’t-want-to-rock-the-boat-with-Ward’s-team (not that they’ll be reading, but you never know, right?):

Ward is not being avoided. Rather, HE is avoiding ever fighting outside his comfort zone, his country (or even, for the most part, his home town).

It’s just misplaced arrogance to assume that other boxers should have to travel to his country to fight him. He was the only one who got away with this in the Super Six, and it shouldn’t have been allowed. Let him travel if he wants the world to recognise him.

The fact is that Ward has no charisma, is a boring fighter to watch (for most fans), and so has precious little drawing power. That’s why Froch and Groves will be fighting in front of 80,000 fans while Ward is lucky if he gets 10% of that — and most will not be *his* fans even then.

If Ward starts travelling, by e.g. giving Kessler a rematch in Denmark (he owes him this: that’s why Kessler gave Froch a rematch in England: he’s is a gentleman and a real sportsman), and wins it, then maybe he will earn a shot at the winner of Froch/Groves or the winner of Groves/DeGale at Wembley stadium in front of 80,00 fans.

And if he REALLY wants that recognition he seeks, he needs to fight just 7lb north, at Light Heavyweight, and take on the likes of Kovalev and Stevenson. This shouldn;t be difficult for him, since he fought at Lightheavy as an amateur (e.g. at the Olympics).

Most boxing fans won’t shell out their hard-earned money just to watch a talented-but-boring “defensive technician” who always plays it safe, and never takes any risks. Boxing fans want fighters to entertain, to expose themselves to challenges, and to put on exciting shows. Ward need not necessarily change his style of fighting, but he DOES need to fight more often, be prepared to travel outside his comfort zone, or at least step up by 7lb and take on Kovalev or Stevenson.

Until then, he just needs to just quit whining.

Posted May 23, 2014 10:16 am 


te tumbo

the 6’3″ Williams was severely outclassed by Quintana before KOing him in their rematch. his fights v. Margarito, Martinez, and Lara were fiercely-contested and/or controversial wins not dominant performances, i.e., Williams was never “avoided”. his freakish height and reach advantages simply never translated into elite breakaway talent or skills or marketability. anyway, Mitchell, Margarito, Quintana, a conspicuously-faded Wright, Martinez, Lara, Philips, Cintron, Ishida. just because Williams wasn’t able to dictate every matchup he de$ired doesn’t make him “avoided”. his losses and/or inability to dominate the best (and not so best) fighters he faced is what prevented Williams from crossing that threshold between dangerous contender and Unavoidable champion.

Posted May 23, 2014 10:10 am 


Dan Smith

@Boxing Fan

Well that’s the problem with looking at a headline, then looking at a picture that is not chosen by me, and then assuming that the writing is beneath you.
It pretty much echoes exactly what you just said, and the example of Andre Ward was almost exclusively about his problems outside of the ring.
You are just as condescending and arrogant as the person you are lambasting, so perhaps if you took the time to look past the photograph and do a bit of reading it would be a lot easier to accept that you are as knowledgable and incredible as you plainly believe you are.

Posted May 23, 2014 10:03 am 


Boxing Fan

Sorry, should have made clear that Martin = Boxing Fan

Posted May 23, 2014 9:57 am 


Boxing Fan

@Joseph

I agree with most of your first post, up till when you say:

“So ducking is a fan driven concept that really doesn’t exist in the business of boxing”

I’m afraid that’s a blatant non sequitur: it just doesn’t follow from anything else you have said.

You continue:

“Fighters don’t avoid other fighters for the reasons that most fans believe. Fighters are courageous and will step in the ring with Godzilla if there is a hefty paycheck attached to it.”

I don’t doubt that fighters are courageous, and of course there’s always a risk/reward trade-off to be considered. I also don’t think that fighters avoid other fighters because they’re “afraid of getting hurt”, but then I don’t think that the fans think that either: rather, they mean that they’re afraid to LOSE.

To me it seems undeniable that some fighters are so concerned about their “legacy”, and being seen as unbeatable, that they DO avoid certain other fighters, even when there is a VERY hefty paycheck attached. And again, the most blatant example of that is all the different excuses that Floyd has made over the years for not fighting Pacquiao.

Frankly, I think you’re being disingenuous in saying that you believe Floyd when he says the major stumbling block is that he won’t do business with Bob Arum. If that were the case, surely he would have mentioned it from the start, i.e. many years ago when the fight first started being seriously talked about. I won’t bother listing all the different excuses Floyd has given over the years for not fighting Pacquiao, but we both know that there have been many, many others, and that the Bob Arum one is only one of the most recent.

And at the risk of repeating myself, just to drum the point home, consider: if that was THE reason, he wouldn’t have waited till now (or very recently) to make it known, now would he? Rather, he would have put it up front *from the very beginning*, as the *essential condition* for negotiations to even begin:

“I will not even enter into negotiations for a Pacquiao fight because I refuse, on principle, to do business with Bob Arum. Until Bob Arum is out of the picture, there will be no negotiations”.

But he didn’t do that, now did he?

Anyhow, I guess I’m wasting my breath, because I think you already know this is true, but are concerned that e.g. you’ll never get an interview with Floyd if word gets back to him that you have stated that you think he has not been truthful about his reasons for not fighting Pacquiao.

But please, don’t go condescending to us about how the very idea of one fighter avoiding/ducking another is all just a figment in the mind of naive fans who don’t really understand “the hurt business”, as if you have some special insight foreclosed to the rest of us. We *know* that some fighters (and/or their promotional teams) avoid going in with (or putting their fighters in with) other fighters because we have seen it time and again, and the ultimate reason for it is that they are afraid to lose. Sure, in many cases they may be afraid to lose mainly because it would lower their stock value, and they think the risk outweighs the potential rewards and so it doesn’t make business sense. But that is fully compatible with the idea that they are avoiding taking certain fights.

But there are also cases where pride trumps monetary remuneration, and the fighter will not take the risk because they know (somewhere deep down only, perhaps) how badly it will affect them psychologically if they lose. And while I could cite other cases, let’s stick to the most obvious: Floyd. We have all heard that the last time Floyd lost (as an amateur) he contemplated taking his own life, so if that was the case then, how much more badly would he be affected now if he were to lose to Pacquiao? I should imagine that the humiliation he would feel following such a defeat, given all that he has said and done over the years, is too much for him to contemplate. We also know that the likes of Ricky Hatton fell into a deep dark depression, have tried to take their own lives, and have never psychologically recovered from their losses. And I think that the longer you go without losing, and the more you boast about how unbeatable you are, such that your very self-esteem depends upon that idealised self-image, the greater the psychological risks of losing.

So, there’s much more to it than most people realise, you’re right, but you’re wrong to say that it’s all about business and money. Boxers are also human beings, and psychological factors such as self-image, self-esteem, concern about legacy, pride, fear of the humiliating consequences of losing etc. all play a role too.

And as I’ve said, I think you know that you are being disingenuous about Floyd in going along with his story about refusing to do business with Arum. But if you’re not at least going to be honest, please at least don’t come here telling us we’ve got it all wrong because we’re naive fans who don’t know the business like you do.

Finally, I should add that I do NOT think that Ward is being avoided in the way this article perhaps suggests (frankly, it was too poor for me to bother reading), and I’ve made clear my views about this below (though I think I was using the moniker of “Boxing Fan”), so on that issue I think we probably agree.

Posted May 23, 2014 9:56 am 


Delta9

We are in an ERA where politics play huge. It’s not about boxing .. It’s about marketing and doing what ever it takes to protect records … Protect unproven fighters… Protect flawed undefeated records… So we don’t truely know who the best is…. Let’s say mayweather does fight pacman… And wins…. It would mean nothing because that fight should had taken place 7 yeArs ago

Posted May 23, 2014 8:39 am 


Anonymous

It died when Lennox retired and Wlad decided the take easy fights and run from the only logical fight out there

Posted May 23, 2014 8:34 am 


Anonymous

It died when ODH retired and Floyd decided the take easy fights and run from the only logical fight out there

Posted May 23, 2014 8:23 am 


SLIM

@Auzbox don’t ever come on a boxing website talking about MMA is gonna surpass boxing. You must fell and hit your head as a kid. That will never happen fool…

Posted May 23, 2014 8:21 am 


Mbuyiseli

Margarito was once a most feared man after the Cotto fight and when Mayweather chose Baldomir instead of Brickarito. Alas the rest is history. Williams was ducked by a lot of people, Mosley, Clottey, Mayweather, Cotto and even Margarito after he defeated Cotto. Remember that Goosen offered Antonio $4 mil, instead he chose Mosley for a measley $2.4mil, got KTFO after being exposed as a cheat. Karma!!!

Posted May 23, 2014 7:34 am 


Anonymous

Klitschko is ducking pulev

Posted May 23, 2014 5:51 am 


Anonymous

Ricky Hatton had the chance to make decent money fighting Junior Witter a while back, which was one of the biggest potential match ups in UK, but he did not want to make witter a name or money off of him and flatly refused the fight!

Amir Khan has flatly refused to face Kell Brook in the same vain as Hatton stating the very same reasons, even though this was a potential £5M payday for Khan, but like with Ricky a dangerous fight he could very well lose.

BTW look for Amir to target a come-backing shop warn, Shane Mosley in November or December. Khan only faces busted flushes these days!

Posted May 23, 2014 4:52 am 


unknown

Herron

So ducking is a fan driven concept that really doesn’t exist in the business of boxing. If a fighter doesn’t bring much to the table in terms of money, then that fighter is almost always considered to be too much risk for the reward.

If a fighter is a big ticket seller, then most other combatants are usually lining up to fight him.

Fighters don’t avoid other fighters for the reasons that most fans believe. Fighters are courageous and will step in the ring with Godzilla if there is a hefty paycheck attached to it.

BUT floyd vs. pac ?????

it IS ducking.

Posted May 23, 2014 4:16 am 


PEEJ

Bute wasn’t willing to travel anywhere out of Canada to fight anybody. We have already seen what a pretender he was. He is no match for Ward. As for Adonis. I am not to sure what happened with that but he moved up and is now the light heavy champion. Not to mention Ward was tied up in the super 6 and after that spend a lot of time injured so that is probably why the fight never happened. No nobody is calling Ward out like the should be because he is the champion. The champion doesn’t call out other people, they call him out. Yeah people will say yeah I will fight him like GGG did. But when the push comes to shove he backed off and said he is gonna clean out 160 first.

Posted May 23, 2014 1:49 am 


PEEJ

Joseph Herron is correct

Posted May 23, 2014 1:47 am 


B Red

Ward has some big fights that can be made.

Posted May 22, 2014 10:33 pm 


B Red

Ward can grab Kovalev title , and grab more fans. Tell Duckerlovkin or Kovalev to call out Ward.

Posted May 22, 2014 10:28 pm 


Joseph Herron

Martin: “one only needs to cite the case of Mayweather and Pacquiao to see that the sentence I from you quoted is not true. As you know, this is a fight that would have garnered far more interest and grossed far more money than any other in boxing history. Are you honestly telling me, hand on heart, that you believe that the fact that the fight has never happened has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd and his team’s concern that he might lose his “0″, i.e. his “perfect record”, and thereby surrender his claim to the P4P no. 1?”

Like I’ve stated on my show numerous times, it has nothing to do with any of that rubbish.

If Richard Schaefer didn’t mind working with Bob Arum, and Floyd thought that Bob would take a back seat in allowing Richard to run the promotion of a “Pacquiao/Mayweather” bout, then I guarantee you that the fight would have been made a long time ago.

Floyd trusts Richard Schaefer and prefers to work with him. He respects Richard’s sentiment about not wanting to do business with Bob Arum and chooses not to.

That’s it…that fight not being made has nothing to do with resume and ensuring a perfect record.

Posted May 22, 2014 10:21 pm 


Joseph Herron

Martin: “You know Joe, have a funny habit of praising fans to the hilt in one breath (“I always say that boxing fans are the most knowledgeable…” blah blah) and then insinuating that they’re moronic simpletons who do not understand that boxing is also a business, part of the entertainment industry etc., in the next.”

Boxing die-hards are among the most intelligent sports fans in the world, but even most fighters don’t even understand how the business of boxing is run.

I wasn’t insinuating that any fan was moronic or a simpleton for not understanding the “Hurt Business”, and I’m sorry you perceived it that way.

Look, obviously Andre Ward doesn’t even understand how the business works…most fighters don’t. Which is why we’re currently seeing a lot of fighters outbid themselves; not realizing that the fans set their respective market value.

Boxing is not like every other sport. If a fighter is productive in any other league, it almost always equates to big money. He becomes a big star if he merely puts up big numbers.

Not in boxing.

Fighters like Andre think that fame and fortune automatically comes with titles and accomplishments in the ring.

If people don’t want to pay to see you fight, or aren’t going to tune in to your bouts, you can’t demand a huge amount of money…the sport of boxing is run just like the music industry or the motion picture industry…not the NFL or the NBA.

So ducking is a fan driven concept that really doesn’t exist in the business of boxing. If a fighter doesn’t bring much to the table in terms of money, then that fighter is almost always considered to be too much risk for the reward.

If a fighter is a big ticket seller, then most other combatants are usually lining up to fight him.

Fighters don’t avoid other fighters for the reasons that most fans believe. Fighters are courageous and will step in the ring with Godzilla if there is a hefty paycheck attached to it.

Posted May 22, 2014 10:05 pm 


badger

he is a whiner. should run for prez.

Posted May 22, 2014 8:40 pm 


badger

wArd only in Oakland.

Posted May 22, 2014 8:38 pm 


badger

ward can face kovalev. gain 4 pds. wtf.

Posted May 22, 2014 8:38 pm 


Boxtradamus

I SEE why no one wants to face Ward. In his last Fight his jab was better than Wlad’s. There’s no one in his weight range who can beat him. Ward’s Fights don’t offer the opponent enough money to put a L on their records. SO people will continue to DUCK until someone actually thinks that they can BEAT him ala Dawson and Rodriguez….TOO bad that they were VERY mistaken.

Posted May 22, 2014 8:02 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This Is My Domain and I Rule It With an Iron Talon

Edit> Sakio ‘I’ve Only Fought Six Incomplete Rounds in Three Years

Posted May 22, 2014 7:36 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This Is My Domain and I Rule It With an Iron Talon

So Ward keeps banging on about nobody wanting to fight him, but both Bute (the reigning IBF 168 champ at the time) and Adonis Stevenson (the lineal 175 champ) didn’t just both call him out, they were also willing to go to his backyard of Jokeland to do so, a place where Ward is allowed to fight to his own set of rules by his referees, and the judges fill the scorecards out long before fight night (check out his fight against Sakio ‘I’ve Only Fought Six Rounds Incomplete Rounds in Three Years, And at the Low Level” Bika if you doubt that). But they weren’t worthy, right?? ROFL

Posted May 22, 2014 7:35 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This Is My Domain and I Rule It With an Iron Talon

Edit> and questioned his manhood

Posted May 22, 2014 7:24 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This Is My Domain and I Rule It With an Iron Talon

But when Bute came a knocking and questioning his manhood, Ward did one of the biggest U-Turns in recent memory.

He said this

”He [Bute] needs to beat [B]ONE or TWO good guys[/B], A-level guys, and even in some cases come out of his hometown and do it to get a shot.’

Pay close attention to the ”he needs to beat one OR two good guys” part.

So when Bute signed to defend HIS title against Froch after Ward shamelessly ducked him, and in Froch’s hometown, which was a MASSIVE risk for him to take and one he didn’t only not have to take, but one he actually took a pay cut too, and naturally has a rematch clause written into the contract seeing as, once again, he was defending HIS title in FRoch’s hometown, Ward then says this.

“I was disappointed,” Ward said. “Bute and his promoter were screaming and yelling that I was ducking them, then they go and make a two-fight deal with Froch where if he loses, he takes Froch back to Canada? I didn’t understand that.”

But he’s the one who said that Bute should fight ONE or TWO A-level guys and leve his ”hometown”. So why is he complaining about Bute having a rematch clause with Froch when Bute was taking a massive risk that he didn’t have to take. He should’ve just said Bute has to fight ONE A class guy and then I promise we’ll dance together next. ROFL.

Posted May 22, 2014 7:20 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This Is My Domain and I Rule It With an Iron Talon

We know Ward rated Bute highly because he said this in 2010 and he knew even back then at it was a fight that all the fans would love to see.

Who would you have picked to win the Super Six had you not been involved in it

AW: “Wow, that’s a great question. I would have to have Bute and Dirrell as the top two guys on my list. I always favor the type of guy—I’m stealing some words from Carl Froch, you know being in the Super Six with these guys, I’m learning a little something—but I would always favor a guy who can do more than one thing. Taking nothing away from the other guys, I think that if Bute was in the tournament and Dirrell being in the tournament, I think they have more tools in the toolbox so to speak. I would probably lean towards those guys, but that being said, the other four combatants—they demand respect. As we’ve seen with the seesaw up and downs in terms of who’s winning, nothing is guaranteed. That’s what makes the Super Six the Super Six and that’s what’s so exciting, but those two guys would be on top of my list to win the whole thing.”

On whether he believes the Super Six Champion needs to defeat Lucian Bute before he can be considered the best super middleweight in the world:

“I think it would be the other way around. I think Bute would have to face off with the Super Six Champion to prove that he’s the best super middleweight. You know you come out of a tournament like this on top, that demands a lot of respect and that carries a lot of weight. Taking nothing away from Bute, he’s not fighting the competition that’s in the Super Six so I think it would be the other way around. I think the Super Six champion if he wanted to go to another weight class, I think it would not be good for the fans and the sport necessarily or the 168 pound weight class, because everyone would want to see the Super Six Champion and Bute fight but in terms of legacy, I think Bute would need to be in a hurry to want a future fight with the Super Six Champion.”

Posted May 22, 2014 7:11 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This Is My Domain and I Rule It With an Iron Talon

Btw, did I ever tell you about the time Mr. Andre Ward shamelessly ducked Lucian Bute? Just in case it slipped my mind.

Now make sure you watch this interview with Andre Ward before reading all of this. This is what he had to say about Bute a few months, at worst, before Bute came banging on his front door in Jokeland looking for a fight with him.

youtube.com/watch?v=kESjBFza_NQ

‘For the past two-plus years, super middleweight titlist Lucian Bute has gone about his business as the outsider. While six of the top 168-pounders — eight when you include the two replacements — were duking it out in the Super Six World Boxing Classic, Bute was on the outside longingly looking in.

Bute was clearly one of the top fighters in the division when former Showtime boxing chief Ken Hershman, who masterminded the tournament, declined to invite him to participate. That incorrect decision was a double-whammy for Bute. Not only was he left out of a tournament he obviously belonged in, but with so many of the division’s top fighters tied up in the event, Bute’s field of attractive opponents became that much smaller.

Lucian Bute is a 168-pound champ and star in his own right, but Andre Ward isn’t giving him his due — or, it seems, a fight in the near future.
So Bute made do with the opponents available. He defended his title six times during the course of the tournament, winning five bouts by knockout, as he defeated Librado Andrade (for the second time), Edison Miranda, Jesse Brinkley, Brian Magee, Jean Paul Mendy and Super Six replacement Glen Johnson, who was eliminated in the semifinals. That’s a good, but hardly stellar, group.

But before the Super Six finally concluded Saturday night, with Andre Ward dominating Carl Froch to unify a pair of belts and claim the pure silver cup, Bute (30-0, 24 KOs) said he felt like it was Christmas and New Year’s Eve all wrapped into one because, with the tournament finally ending, he and promoter Jean Bedard could finally be free to pursue a fight with the winner, which would obviously be the biggest fight in the division.

Bute and Bedard, who met with a handful of boxing media a few hours before the final, made it clear that their priority was the winner. The main reason Bute signed with Showtime in late 2010 was to position himself to face the winner, who is also tied to the network.

“I am ready to fight the winner,” said Bute, a native of Romania based in Montreal, in his ever-improving English. “If Carl Froch wins, I’m ready to fight in Nottingham [England] to make this fight happen. And if it’s Ward, I can go to Oakland.”

Bute is a major draw in Montreal and Quebec City, so the money flows because his gates are so large. But he wants to fight in the United States, even if it means taking less money.

“I fought in Montreal only because I sold 15,000, 16,000 tickets and I receive no offer from any fighters to fight outside of Montreal or Quebec City,” Bute said. “It’s not because I don’t want to fight outside [of Canada].”

Interbox’s Bedard said Bute is willing to go on the road to boost his profile.

“What we want in 2012 is to have the best fights,” Bedard said. “The Super Six was a great tournament, but for us, we were not invited. So we had to get the guys who were ready to come to fight Lucian. Lucian knows we draw a lot of people in Montreal or Quebec City, but he’s ready to take a step back in terms of money to have the possibility to fight these guys in a neutral place like New York or Vegas, or even go to Nottingham or Oakland. We are open to all the scenarios to try to make it happen.”

Sadly, it doesn’t seem like Bute or boxing fans will get the fight they want. Ward showed little interest in Bute at his post-fight media conference after his masterpiece against Froch. Sure, Ward earned the right to do what he wants after such a tough road in the Super Six, but it’s still disappointing to hear.

“To be perfectly honest, no disrespect to Bute and his team, but they’ve sat back and they’ve fought B-level and C-level guys and he did what he was supposed to do,” said Ward, failing to grasp that Bute wasn’t invited to the Super Six and had no A-level opponents available to him. “He stopped them and he’s gotten them out of there. But he’s just been sitting back, waiting, while we’ve been fighting for the past two and a half years against top-level competition.

“So I don’t have to go to Lucian Bute right now,” Ward said. “We’re going to sit back and I’m going to rest and we’ll see what’s next. I’m open for a Mikkel Kessler clash. I would love to get that rematch and settle that score, since he feels like it wasn’t a legitimate victory [in the opening round of the tournament]. Going up to light heavyweight for the right fight — not to campaign up there, but for the right fight — is an option. So we’ve just got to sit back and see what makes sense. I think I earned the right to pick the right fight for the right price.”

Rather than talk up a fight with Bute, Ward (25-0, 13 KOs) instead tried to play matchmaker, suggesting that Bute face the vanquished Froch, who has trash-talked Bute and riled up his Canadian fans over the past few years.

“That’s a tremendous fight for Carl because I know Carl doesn’t like Bute,” Ward said. “To be perfectly honest, I think Bute has to beat somebody. I’m just gonna be frank with you: He has to beat somebody, an A-level guy, to get a shot. We’ll sit back and talk as a team, but off the top of my head, he has to beat somebody. You can’t sit back and just take your time while everyone else is working hard and you come in and get the same pay that everyone else gets. It don’t work like that. This is a sport, but we also use our brains for business, and we’ll sit down and make a solid business decision.”

During the earlier session with the media, Bedard seemed to already know this was what Ward would say after the fight.

“I think it will be tougher to make a fight with Ward instead of Froch,” Bedard said a few hours before the fight. “I think there is more of a story regarding Froch in Canada — but you never know. For our fans in Canada, Froch has been talking against Lucian for the past five years, so it’s a very easy fight to promote for us.”

As it turns out, just a few days removed from Froch’s loss there is already talk of a two-fight deal between Froch and Bute, with one bout taking place in England and one in Canada.

Still, Bute held out hope that he would get Ward.

“Priority is to fight the winner because I want to unify the titles,” Bute said’

Posted May 22, 2014 7:06 pm 


SREDMOND

Assyrian God, you are right Ward has a MAJOR advantage over Froch and it’s the fact he is a WAY better boxer!!! Trying to peddle the notion that the only reason Ward dominated Froch and Kessler is because the bouts were on US soil is both laughable and pathetic, Ward was a GREEn Fighter who had to face te guy favored to win in the first round of the tourney Kessler.. After he took that stiff Euro style apart sudden he held all the cards before the bout??? GTFOH… Kessler gave a decent account of himself against Calzaghe, Ward tarred and feathered him serving notice that he was and remains the man to beat at 168.

Posted May 22, 2014 7:04 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This Is My Domain and I Rule It With an Iron Talon

Thank you for the kind words Brother Hamsters against wasting Internet Space. I’m sure you will not be surprised to learn that I am in full agreement with everything you said there, as indeed I’m positive will be many others too.

Posted May 22, 2014 6:59 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Fight Aficionado- so the point of this long windy article is……” – Good question Showboat. Frankly I don’t know what his point is. Andre’s fought all the top dogs at 168 so he’s not a fighter who’s been ducked. A better case is GGG and Kovalev, who everyone’s ducking at 160 and 175, respectively. Use them as examples of boxing’s ducking problem.

Posted May 22, 2014 6:44 pm 


enough already

Ward likes 168 he dont have to move up to prove anything some people are morons they thing that champions like Ward and Floyd have to prove something by beating people is different weight divisions like Floyd should fight GGG and Ward should fight at 175. Hell no if fighters what a crack at the man on top they need to come to that division no one is afraid of anyone. Man up like Dawson and Canelo and come get your ass whopped enough already…

Posted May 22, 2014 6:27 pm 


KOrnerman

Ward should get his azz up to 175, nothing left at 168, all the true great fighters win belts at more than one weight.

Posted May 22, 2014 6:11 pm 


KOrnerman

Its kind of a shame because for a peak fighter he’s not been fighting anywhere near as regular as he should be, I think they can’t get fights for him, no one wants too, guys that get beat want beat in a close fight not a one sided smother fest.

Posted May 22, 2014 6:09 pm 


KOrnerman

*Ward I mean.

Posted May 22, 2014 6:00 pm 


KOrnerman

His style is very hard to beat as he’s a chameleon in the ring and adapts to his surroundings, very unexciting and not fan friendly to watch though, that’s his problem, he’s in the who needs him club.

Posted May 22, 2014 5:59 pm 


gary

jum, got to agree with you, stardust,the x factor mojo whatever you want to call it, he has not got it. super talent just not the star. supply and demand. if people want to see him, they would, shame but thats how it is.

Posted May 22, 2014 5:28 pm 


Jum

Its as simple as this – some fighters sell tickets and are highly marketable, and others (most of them) are not. Ward, depite his talents doesn’t have “it” no matter what “it” is. Mike Tyson, on the other hand had “IT”
Even Mayweather doesnt have the appeal of Tyson had in his prime. Wasnt a big fanatic on Tysonmania, but must admit when he entered the ring he had a certain moxie or prescence about him. The ring and platform tilted in his favor. Nobody cares about Ward, it is just the truth. Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Ali and a few others had that high degree of “IT”

Posted May 22, 2014 4:06 pm 


Showboat

Fight Aficionado- so the point of this long windy article is……

Posted May 22, 2014 3:34 pm 


B Red

Triple G is ducking Ward, and Froch don’t want another whippin,any more, so let Kovalev call out Dre, and watch Kovalev get picked apart…………… Ya dig

Posted May 22, 2014 3:16 pm 


Dan Smith

Matador

Point me in the direction of your articles and perhaps I could learn something. Would be disappointing if you were just another serial commentor with no writing experience of their own.

Posted May 22, 2014 2:09 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“I thought ward wasn’t fighting because of a contract dispute with his promoter…” – Yes. Ward’s suing Goosen who obv isn’t going to put him on a card while he’s being sued by Ward.

Posted May 22, 2014 1:49 pm 


stuck in a moment

AG….it wouldn’t of mattered. He is on another lever then the those fighters. Way to fast and slick. He should of traveled but he didn’t. Look to what happened to dirrell against froch. AD got rooked. Nobody was losing a semi close fight at home in that tournament

Posted May 22, 2014 1:21 pm 


Showboat

I thought ward wasn’t fighting because of a contract dispute with his promoter or whoever? I heard that as he couldn’t sell out his mothers living room they were going to move his fights to he uncles bathroom but ward said “what no home comforts? Forget it!”

Posted May 22, 2014 1:14 pm 


AssyrianGod

SREDMOND – Ward had a massive advantage of staying at home for every fight. Never had to travel thousands of miles, never had to set up camp thousands of miles from home, never had to acclimatize, never had to get used to vastly different timezones, never had to fight at a time of night unnatural to him, never had to get used to foreign food, never had to fight in front of a hostile crowd with a hometown ref and hometown judges…EVERY other fighter in the Super 6 did! Ward is a dishonourable coward, and has proved nothing until he competes on an even playing field.

Posted May 22, 2014 12:49 pm 


Martin

You know Joe, *you* have, even …. too tired to type properly just now….

Posted May 22, 2014 12:14 pm 


Martin

@Joseph Herron

Without citing dozens of instances (though one surely could), one only needs to cite the case of Mayweather and Pacquiao to see that the sentence I from you quoted is not true. As you know, this is a fight that would have garnered far more interest and grossed far more money than any other in boxing history. Are you honestly telling me, hand on heart, that you believe that the fact that the fight has never happened has nothing whatsoever to do with Floyd and his team’s concern that he might lose his “0”, i.e. his “perfect record”, and thereby surrender his claim to the P4P no. 1?

You know Joe, have a funny habit of praising fans to the hilt in one breath (“I always say that boxing fans are the most knowledgeable…” blah blah) and then insinuating that they’re moronic simpletons who do not understand that boxing is also a business, part of the entertainment industry etc., in the next.

Posted May 22, 2014 12:13 pm 


Martin

‘Dan Smith: A Sign of ESB’s decline’ (even)

Sorry Dan: just jesting.

Posted May 22, 2014 11:57 am 


Martin

“Dan Smith: A Sign a ESB’s decline”

Posted May 22, 2014 11:56 am 


Martin

““Ducking” is a fan driven concept that really doesn’t exist in the business of boxing.”

Hmmmmm. You don’t think that’s just a *little* overstated Joe?

Posted May 22, 2014 11:55 am 


bacon bap

Anonymous and lil cuz Khan are benders

Posted May 22, 2014 11:28 am 


Scott

BS herron!!!!

Posted May 22, 2014 11:25 am 


Joseph Herron

This is a strictly an article that was created by a fan who doesn’t realize that the “hurt business” is a sport that is run just like the entertainment industry.

There is no profit sharing among promoters and fighters. if you can sell tickets or fight in a fan pleasing manner, then you will go far in the entertainment business that is boxing.

“Ducking” is a fan driven concept that really doesn’t exist in the business of boxing.

The fans are the real bosses of the sport and ultimately determine your market value as a fighter. It’s very simple…if you can sell tickets and knock guys out, you’ll be a big star.

If you can’t, you might want to think about another profession.

Posted May 22, 2014 11:06 am 


Anonymous

Havoc and auzbox are lovers….

Posted May 22, 2014 10:41 am 


teepee

A lot of fighter’s duck and running from ward.ward should just start calling them punks out by name

Posted May 22, 2014 10:10 am 


Matador

People used to complain all the time about how avoided Juan Manuel Marquez was at FW. True, but don’t let JMM off the hook; he turned down any number of fights that would have made him a bigger superstar.

Not picking on JMM, just one example. Don’t discount the role a fighter sometimes plays in hurting his own career.

Posted May 22, 2014 9:59 am 


Matador

Dan, you’re an awful writer.

Also, is Ward’s lack of name recognition/big fights due ONLY to people ducking him? I’d wager that his contractual pissings play a bigger role in keeping him inactive.

Posted May 22, 2014 9:57 am 


SREDMOND

How was “Froch putting his balls in a suitcase to fight Taylor” Taylor was one of the WEAKEST guys in the tourney, he was never very effective at 168 and had been Beatdown by Pavlik at 160… And Froch is the guy the NEEDED hometown intervention ie Dirrell and Groves, whereas Ward dominates with clarity no matter who and where..

Posted May 22, 2014 9:39 am 


DMX

Boxing is certainly not dying any time soon or in decline

Some absolute Great fights happening soon

Martinez v Cotto
Alvarez v Lara
Groves v Froch
GGG v Geale
Terence Crawford v Yuriorkis Gamboa

And have seen that Marcos Maidana has agreed to fight Keith Thurman

Posted May 22, 2014 8:23 am 


banjo

remember when froch put his balls in a suitcase and went to fight jermaine taylor? that’s why he has fans and ward has few. i like it when our warriors go abroad to represent us in the lions den. there’s something nobel about it that people like.

woo son of god! go son of god!

Posted May 22, 2014 8:07 am 


Pugfan

I would hope that Ward has bigger fish to fry now rather then fighting guys that he already beat , and are already becoming long in the tooth?

Posted May 22, 2014 7:43 am 


Pugfan

TARK , Leonard did not even come close to whipping Hagler. Hagler was robbed. that is a discussion for another article I guess?

Posted May 22, 2014 7:38 am 


Auzbox

Ha ha gold.

Posted May 22, 2014 6:51 am 


SREDMOND

The Super 6 was a Showtime tourney let the UK equivalent put on a tourney and control TV rights.. Ward came in an UNDERDOG, and when he abused Kessler, Froch and the rest everyone became BITTER and began whining about rematches in their native lands.. Neither Froch NOR Kessler performed well enough to set terms, there is no economic future in the Uk for Ward so it makes NO sense to go there.. Kessler and Froch should keep fighting close rematches till they finally hang them up, because Ward has proven VASTLY superior.. And discussing “hometown antics” Frocj got bailed out against Dirrell and Groves by generous judges and and inept trigger happy ref.. If anyone should be lured outnof their homeland it’s Froch who has benefited from the help..

Posted May 22, 2014 6:38 am 


Hamsters againt wasting Internet Space

There is one reason to visit this sorry excuse for a website, and that is to see Gonzo, flop his meat out, polish it with “Dr Thompson’s patented c0ck polish” before he plunges it deep into the souls and crevices of the uneducated buffoonery that populates this boards.

Were some of you better educated, you would would actually appreciate the intelligence that is being wasted on you.

Posted May 22, 2014 6:14 am 


Auzbox

Yes in Britain lets see ppv numbers, apparently ppv is all that matters

Posted May 22, 2014 6:09 am 


Joe P

Froch’s next fight with Groves sold 60000 tickets in 2 hrs. Is that the ‘boxing’s decline’ that you refer to?

Posted May 22, 2014 5:28 am 


Auzbox

Peej if showtime paid there highest undercard ever, surely they paid for what they thought were big names. Maybe showtime and I see different fighters as big names then you do?

Posted May 22, 2014 5:24 am 


OneInchPunch

Wards problem is…. he’s not boxoffice and as such in my mind prices himself out a big fight with Froch or Kessler. Ward has very little to no fan base, is not a big TV draw but will demand the lion’s share of any purse. He might be the best SMW out there but Froch can earn a lot more fighting Grove or even Charvez jr. To get the big money fights you have to be able to negotiate or be in the same position as Mayweather and have fighter’s lining-up (or in Khan case, begging) to want to face you!! hence the term Mayweather Lottery… Ward has to realise he’s not on the same level or has the appeal as Mayweather.

Posted May 22, 2014 5:06 am 


Boxing Fan

Oh, and the reason I hope it’s true is because I know both Kessler and Froch would definitely take that fight if Ward were serious about it. It’s also for that reason that I suspect you’re lying, i.e. because we’ve had heard about it.

Posted May 22, 2014 4:32 am 


Boxing Fan

I hope you can back that up TARK, and with something more than “I seem to remember him saying it in a Youtube interview at some point”, both because I hope it’s true and because, otherwise, I’ll have to conclude that you’re a liar.

Posted May 22, 2014 4:30 am 


Boxing Fan

@TARK

“Ward has offered to fight Froch in England and Kessler in Denmark”

EVIDENCE please!

Posted May 22, 2014 4:26 am 


TARK

Kovalev-Ward would be a dynamite fight.

Posted May 22, 2014 3:04 am 


Kidney Digga

@Chuckles72

Spot on!

Posted May 22, 2014 3:02 am 


Kidney Digga

A well written article.
However, a few points…….
In all fairness, regarding Ward; if you’ve literally cleared out your division and there are no challenges left there for you, the only choice is to go up to a higher weight class.

Why is Ward calling for a rematch against a man he clearly dominated?

He plateaud at 168 – with everyone else in the weight class a clear tier below him- so what’s the point in sticking around there?

Posted May 22, 2014 3:00 am 


TARK

Ward has offered to fight Froch in England and Kessler in Denmark… He will make an offer to fight Groves in England if he beats Froch convincingly.

Ward doesn’t have a lot of takers… He’s a damned good boxer is why.

Froch following Ward I.., “I don’t think anyone will ever beat Ward.”

Posted May 22, 2014 2:43 am 


xXx

Ward is the one doing the avoiding. Only fighting on home soil and making ridiculous demands. No one cares about him, or his over-inflated ego.

Posted May 22, 2014 2:40 am 


D

“Ward has basically not fought anyone in the last few years”

you’re a freakin’ moron. rodriquez was unbeaten. froch and kessler were once beaten, Abraham was twice beaten. ward cleaned out 168. floyd is a long way from cleaning out 147. he’ll retire with unfinished biz

Posted May 22, 2014 1:59 am 


PEEJ

Ward has pretty much cleaned out the 168 pound division. He said he was not a light heavy, he said when he can’t make 168 comfortably then he will move up. Right now he has no issues. He is the super middleweight champion. No he has not fought enough like he should. Injuries and now the contract dispute are hurting his prime years. But fact is he is still the champion, he is the best at 168 plain and simple. Dawson was the champion at 175 and called Dawson out at his weight and got beat down. All the best fighters at 168 got beat by Ward.

Posted May 22, 2014 1:57 am 


PEEJ

Getting paid big bucks does not equate to starts. Berto made money, Dawson made money and neither one of them are stars. There are plenty of other fighters I can name that make big money but are not stars. Like I said it depends on the people you have behind you. Like if you have Haymon you can bet you are gonna get the most money available.

Posted May 22, 2014 1:54 am 


Chuckles72

I don’t give a crap if Ward is boring or not – the guy just does not fight. Ever. And who has he beaten to be regarded so highly? Kessler, Froch and Sad Chad Dawson are his “greatest triumphs” and they are good but none of them great fighters.

So you have this guy who has beaten a few good (but not great) fighters and has basically not fought anyone in the last few years due to some reported injuries and now a contract dispute – and the public is supposed to be clamoring to see this guy fight again?

Ward has done this to himself. He won’t go on the road and he won’t move up to LHW where there are some actual interesting opponents. I’ve seen too many interviews where he talks about retirement and seems totally unenthusiastic about the sport.

I don’t think that Ward’s style is boring, but despite all the praise he is still a big question mark to me – is he really great? I have no idea and can’t find out unless he gets his butt in the ring and starts beating guys up. If he does not do that and just goes away he’ll always only be a question mark to me.

Posted May 22, 2014 1:08 am 


Auzbox

Name a bigger card with more well known fighters in the past 10 years peej

Posted May 22, 2014 1:08 am 


Auzbox

If the fans want two fighters to fight Dana white makes them fight. People earn the 1 spot to challenge the champ and they fight for the title. Well peej you always go on about the cash cow and all the money. Showtime spent big $ so they must be stars of boxing to demand that much. Boxing fans but ppv not afl fans. If they all paid to watch floyd deduct the ppv numbers from the canelo fight and canelo drew the rest or people are tiring of floyd

Posted May 22, 2014 12:55 am 


Graeme

Think the article writer has forgotten years past when Frankie Carbo and the Mafia ran Madison square garden or champions wouldn’t fight other world class opposition because of race Archie Moore never fought for the world title until he was 38. Charley Burley probably the greatest boxer never to win a world title never even had the opportunity. It is a shame that boxers like Andre Ward and Guillermo Rigondeaux are wallowing away because they have been too exceptional but don’t have the financial gains of Mayweather to entice other top fighters. But this has and always will be boxing and people will mention the fantastic four Hagler, Hearns,Duran and Leonard but the financial gain was there and the public demand from the none die hard fans to see these fights was also what made them happen. Why didn’t Duran or Leonard fight Aaron Pryor?? Leonard wanted nothing to do with John Mugabi when he first came to fruition. Roy Jones Jnr never fought michalczewski which was the natural bout to make. Dangerous bouts that dont make sense financially are very unlikely to happen Andre Ward will never sell out a 80,000 seat venue because his style isnt fan friendly i’m a huge lover of the skills that he brings but i would rather watch Groves vs Froch than him vs say Chavez Jnr or even Golovkin.

Posted May 22, 2014 12:31 am 


Big Ham

peej, just read your comment. I agree 100%.

Posted May 22, 2014 12:26 am 


Big Ham

MMA is in plateau stage right now. The novelty of it has worn off. It is not “growing” And the problem it faces is it lacks interesting characters like Randy Coutour and Chuck Liddel. The new breed are not as interesting and as dynamic. And the UFC is a very one dimentional promotion. The look and feel of PRIDE and strikeforce was an interesting contrast. UFC basically is a douchebag marketing philosophy. They also made huge mistakes with no aligning with premium cable TV. They have a subsciption network called fightpass that everyone hates. They’re ultimate fighter reality show is redundant. So yea MMA has it challenges. Boxing is much healthier in comparsion. IMO it comes down to boxing having about 50-60 truly worth watching world class athlete fighters. Where MMA has about 15-20 at best. For every Jose Aldo or Anderson Silva, there are 100 cub swansons and roy nelsons. They really truly honestly have mediocre fighters as semi main events. There also many great MMA talents that have recently retired.

Posted May 22, 2014 12:24 am 


PEEJ

As far as MMA. I don’t see it growing much anymore. I have seen it stall out. Not saying it is not a successful entity. But it is not bigger than boxing nor will it ever be. Don’t forget boxing has been around way to long. And regardless of what people say the best do not fight the best in MMA. From what I have seen if that is the best fighting the best then they have lousy fighters.

Posted May 22, 2014 12:20 am 


PEEJ

May have been the most expensive card but that does not mean loaded. Almost all those fighters were Haymon fighters. All his fighters get paid major money. That is why it was an expensive card. As for loaded with fighters people are willing to pay to see. Negative. They paid to see Floyd. Plain and Simple.

Posted May 22, 2014 12:19 am 


Auzbox

One thing mma has is even fights none of this 1.06 to 10.00 fav. Mma is the fastest growing sport in the world and if boxing keeps denying fans the very best fights in 10 years it could overtake boxing and I’m an mma disliker

Posted May 21, 2014 11:46 pm 


Auzbox

Peej re yesterday you said that the may v maidana wasn’t a loaded card. That’s fine but it was the record that showtime paid for undercard fights by miles excluding mayweather. So I say again loaded card because if it wasnt showtime wouldn’t have smashed there undercard outlay of cash records.

Posted May 21, 2014 11:44 pm 


D

boxing is thriving. anyone who says it’s not is a nut case

Posted May 21, 2014 11:38 pm 


TARK

“Boxing is a dieing sport.” … LMFAO

Professional Boxing does 10 X the global revenues that MMA does.. MMA is a great and growing sport.. It’s alive and well and I love MMA … But it doesn’t hold a candle to Boxing as far as money, eyeballs, and global success are concerned.. Ever see an MMA fighter make 86 million for a fight???

How many MMA fights are beamed live from Europe to the USA by a major telecaster — such as Froch Kessler and Klitschko-Leapai??? … It doesn’t happen.

Posted May 21, 2014 11:19 pm 


PEEJ

Negative, MMA compares nothing to boxing. Boxing blows MMA out the water in PPVs. MMA is not the thriving sport it once was. I remember when MMA tried to go up against boxing on PPVs and would get blown away. Finally White got smart and stopped trying to contend with boxing.

Posted May 21, 2014 11:12 pm 


TARK

Nicolas.., “Think about it, who are the three top African American fighters at least by name, or let us say even four. They would be in this order, Mayweather, Hopkins, Broner, and Bradley.”

Ward is well ahead of Broner or Bradley. He’s just in a super weak division. Terence Crawford is ahead of Broner who’s an undercard fighter at this point. In a major fight against a top heavyweight Wilder would outdraw Broner at this point.. Broner sucks dingleberries.

Porter is big.. Porter would draw more against Pacquiao or Floyd than Broner would. Porter is a much better fighter..

At this point Bernard Hopkins is fighting basket cases.. I’ll be amazed if he fights Stevenson because he’d get knocked out cold.. Hopkins sucked against the punks he’s fighting.. He couldn’t even stop a guy Nathan Cleverly stopped with ease.

Posted May 21, 2014 11:09 pm 


sean p h

I used to go to hotters for boxing ppv. Hooter only shows mma now. No boxing at all.

Posted May 21, 2014 11:04 pm 


sean p h

Boxing is a dieing sport.

Posted May 21, 2014 11:03 pm 


sean p h

Mma has taken over peej. Sorry but its true.

Posted May 21, 2014 11:02 pm 


PEEJ

Stop now. Couldn’t even read. Boxing is not in decline

Posted May 21, 2014 10:59 pm 


TARK

Nicolas.., Larry Holmes was a top rated heavyweight and Leon Spinks had 6 wins in 7 fights… When Holmes won the Championship Ali refused to fight him, retiring rather than fighting him… Spinks was stripped, but Ali still refused the fight the real Heavyweight Champion, Larry Holmes, until years later when he was broke and desperate for money … Ali fought the stripped champ (Leon) instead of fighting Holmes.

Posted May 21, 2014 10:52 pm 


Nicolas

Great article, but I was mystified that the writer had to do research on Paul Williams. I think that one of the problems that is not addressed about the world of boxing is that while in some way the boxing world has gotten bigger, it is somewhat regionalized. Sadly for Ward, eve though his father was an Irish-American, as an ‘African American’ fighter, he is a dime a dozen. Think about it, who are the three top African American fighters at least by name, or let us say even four. They would be in this order, Mayweather, Hopkins, Broner, and Bradley. Why do I even have Broner in there. Well it is name recognition, for a man who is perceived as an a-hole. Many even feel this way about Mayweather. But the reason I think they have perhaps put the persona forward, for both fighters is due to trhiing to get name recognition. Hopkins has also done this somewhat by making really disgusting comments, especially when it comes to racial issues. . As for Bradly, well he is known as the man who got a gift decision over Paquiao the the first time, beat Marquez fair and square. think about this. Hopkins does not do to bad box office right now, if not spectacular, but it almost seems as if people forget that he was easily beaten by Chad Dawson, who got easily beaten by Andre Ward. Sadly being a black fighter for Ward, he is a dime a dozen. Are African Americans excited about him? I the were Mexican American at that weight he might have better luck. Heck,l I even suggested that he call himself Irish Andre Ward, to get some bigger attention. Remember that Froch only became the big star in England after he destroyed and probably ruined that Rumanian fighter fighting out of Canada, his name escapes me at the moment. Sadly with all the organizations out there, and the many champs, while it allows fighters to have a better opportunity to become champs, it also allows some fighters to avoid them. Golovkin for one.

Posted May 21, 2014 10:31 pm 


Ok

Ward cant be stopped at 168

Posted May 21, 2014 10:23 pm 


Nicolas

SREDMOND: I do think you are wrong about Ali refusing to fight Homes and then having his title taken away. It was really Leon Spinks after he beat Ali. the WBC ordered Spinks to fight Norton. they offered Norton 1,000,000 to fight Spinks, and the feeling was that Norton would not fight for only that amount of money. But Norton accepted it, and then Spinks decided to fight Ali in the return. The WBC gave the title to Norton, because Norton had defeated Young in a 15 round decision. It was made clear at the time, before the Ali-Spinks ONE that Ali would fight the winner, and if he did not, the WBC would declare the winner (Norton) the champion. But Ali lost to Spinks, and that burden fell on Spinks, and Spinks not being really very honorable decided to fight Ali. Larry Holmes then captured the WBC title over Norton. The WBA never told Ali that he had to defend the title against Holmes.

Posted May 21, 2014 10:11 pm 


Fighter87

The Prince has the beat

Posted May 21, 2014 10:03 pm 


Fighter87

Sredmond has the beat

Posted May 21, 2014 10:02 pm 


B Red

Big Ham has the beat

Posted May 21, 2014 9:48 pm 


sean p h

Shremond froch is english. Different continent. Dah

Posted May 21, 2014 9:42 pm 


Proven champs

Ward should fight away from home, he has fought at home with all the advantages that brings, only fighter in the international super six who fought at home everytime, he should fight Froch in the UK if he beats Groves.

Posted May 21, 2014 9:40 pm 


TARK

After Leonard whipped Hagler he flatly refused to fight the top middleweight contenders: Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn, and Julian Jackson. Just flat out wouldn’t fight them.

Those 3 guys each won pieces of the splintered middleweight title stripped from Leonard. They were the middleweight champs when Leonard fought Terry Norris

Ali refused to fight Larry Holmes and Ali’s title was stripped.. Holmes won the stripped title but Ali retired rather than fight Holmes.. It was a couple years later when Ali was desperate for money that he finally fought Holmes.

A least they stripped fighters in the 70’s and 80’s for not fighting #1.

Stevenson would never be stripped for not fighting Kovalev. Do you think Martinez would ever be stripped for failing to fight Golovkin??? … Never

I have a solution for Ward since everyone ducks him… Fight Kovalev.

I disagree that Floyd ducked Paul Williams.. Floyd could beat Paul.. His toughest opponents are Lara, Porter, and Pacquiao.. Those cats would give Floyd Hell.

Posted May 21, 2014 9:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Ward has NO business pandering to defeated European fighters he already beat by giving them rematches in their homelands, Frochs stock is DOWN swapping KD’s with Groves and getting let off the hook.. He was still getting staggered late in the fight by a now war torn Kessler.. I could care less if 1 million peeps go to a couple fights in Wembley all the guys from the Uk who wanted serous fame came to te US and made names Lewis, Calzaghe (too late) Hatton, Khan…PAC man seems to be able to win most times in the US what’s Frochs problem?? Let me tell you, Froch is a World Class fighter but he is NOT an elite fighter that’s why many of his bouts have been CLOSE against better comp, down against Taylor,close loss Kessler, close win Kessler, outclassed Ward, controversial Dirrell controversial Groves.. Trying to put Ward and Froch on a level playing field is ridiculous, one guy consistently dominates the other ekes it out against quality comp…Tell Carl to book a flight if he can get by Groves LMAO..!

Posted May 21, 2014 9:05 pm 


Mikey

I wouldn’t be surprised if the idiot who that article was PEEJ/Rob Smith/Proud African. Maybe Dan Smith is another one of his names, the devious lying little piece of crap.

Posted May 21, 2014 9:03 pm 


Anonymous

Boxing Fan

Are you a white boy? Or a black boy?

Posted May 21, 2014 8:56 pm 


Anonymous

Verbal garbage from a fat pig doesn’t carry much weight on here.

Posted May 21, 2014 8:33 pm 


Big Ham

It is also a myth that Ward is not a draw. He does fine on ratings. He also can sell lots of tickets outside of Las Vegas ( bay area) which many fighters cannot do. He is only labled as not a draw because his talent exceeds his drawing ability currently. As a fan of the sport i watch ALL the fights, i could absolutely give two $hits that Julio cesar chavez does bigger ratings that Ward. It is not likely to influence my decision to pay 15$ a month for HBO. If HBO started to cut the top fighters in boxing from their network, to make room for JCC and paying extra for Canelo or any other popular fighter, many of the true boxing fans would straight up quit paying for that network. That is a fact. It’s not just about ratings. It’s about the network providing the best fights and fighters in boxing consistently over the year.

Posted May 21, 2014 8:26 pm 


Big Ham

I think Wards problem is he is with a small time promotor and you need to be aligned with either Top Rank or GBP to get the kinda money you want from the networks. Partially it is his fault though. Because listen if you have 3 fights with your promotor left on contract that you dispute. take the 3 fu*King fights and get it over with and get on with your career. Why sit on the shelf for a year because you feel like you are worth 1.8M and your promotor can only offer you 900K fights because he does not have the clout like Al Hamon does. I mean what the hell does he think Goosen does not want to make money ? That he is not trying to get money fights. I do not blame fighters for wanting to get away from the Gary’s Shaw’s and the Goosen’s and the Dibella’s ( Segio seems happy with him). But never stop taking fights, even while you are in dispute. Agree? Disagree?

Posted May 21, 2014 8:19 pm 


Jack Jones

Floyd ducked Eric Morales his first sixe years!!

Posted May 21, 2014 8:16 pm 


Jack Jones

Mayweather ducked Gerry Cooney and Roy Jones also!

Posted May 21, 2014 8:10 pm 


Anonymous

Fighters who May weather ducked:

Ali Tyson holyfield Leonard hearns list goes on….

Posted May 21, 2014 7:55 pm 


Love-the-Sport

Ward can’t draw flies because he doesn’t consistently knock people out.

Dawson knockout was one time.

If Ward knocked every opponent like that — Ward would be a global attraction. He has great skills but who cares.

Skills pay the bills. And if your skills are like Mayweather than YES you can be called money.

But knockouts generate the real coin.

Posted May 21, 2014 7:43 pm 


Love-the-Sport

Is that what this article is about?

The decline of boxing?

I thought it was about “avoided fighters.”

Memo to Dan Smith … avoided fighters does not = decline of boxing.

If there is a decline in boxing it is not because of “avoided fighters.” It is because of “avoided promoters.”

Golden Boy and Top Rank refuse to do business.

I would point out that fights made today are the biggest and most profitable fights ever made in history. Fights made today have international audiences that dwarf any previous audiences in the past. It would be true to say that live audience attendance is less. Supposed big fights sometimes draw less than 5,000 in the US. But once every year or two you still do get 20,000-30,000-40,000 attendance for a special fight.

I am not sure boxing is in decline. But if it is in decline it is because Top Rank and Golden Boy don’t do business and they don’t make the great fights you need to make to compete in a world with the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and Soccer.

Posted May 21, 2014 7:41 pm 


Longrob

Ward can’t draw flies. That’s the reason no one wants to fight him. It’s all abut the bucks! Fighters like Ward and their god Schtick really turn fans off. I want to strangled these idiots after every fight. They thank god for the talent and the victory. As if your god is interested in seeing you brutally beat the hell out of another person. Unentertaining style and personality.

Posted May 21, 2014 7:38 pm 


dick tiger

IMO the decline of boxing is due to poor matchmaking, bias refs, and judging that is in to many cases so bad that after watching a fight you sit there hoping that the fighter that clearly won doesn’t get screwed. A lot of people have simply gotten tired of all the BS and no longer watch boxing.

Posted May 21, 2014 7:24 pm 


Love-the-Sport

Memo to Dan Smith … Are you familiar with the concept of bullet points?

We live in a world of Powerpoint and the Internet.

Nobody can read this long-winded tripe with huge rambling paragraphs.

What the f*ck is your stupid point?

And can you find a way to make your point concisely?

Eastside Boxing … you guys can do better than this crap.

Posted May 21, 2014 7:21 pm 


Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Froch was clearly tongue in cheek about GGG (he said a couple of years ago that if Pacman keeps going up the weight divisions he’d have to retire – in a similar manner). The only time since losing to Ward that Froch could’ve fought him was when he was lining up the Kessler bout, which was far more lucrative and supposed to build up the hype for Froch to challenge Ward again. Ward had a year out injured, a mandatory defence and ongoing legal disputes when he wasn’t out there beating Dawson at catch weight or appearing on TV to try to raise his profile. Froch only took the 1st Groves fight to get a mandatory defence out of the way (GG was ranked 7th at the time & the IBF demanded a mandatory against anyone in their top 10, if memory serves). I genuinely believe that if Froch didn’t have the Groves rematch, he’d have taken a big money Vegas fight against JCC Jnr, then tried his luck (& lost again) against Soggy in his swansong. If Froch beats Groves he may still do that.

If Groves beats Froch and JDG, expect him to clean up the Sauerland stable, maybe even complete a Froch trilogy and Ward to be on the outside looking in for a couple of years. He’ll be #1 in the division but earning far less than his European rivals. He’ll struggle to sell 5000 tickets while Froch & Groves could both sell 50000 against Kessler, Abraham or Stieglitz.

Posted May 21, 2014 7:19 pm 


E in Denver

The Prince- Bowe clearly ducked Lewis. Do you recall the press conferences with Bowe throwing his WBC belt in the trash, rather than defend vs. Lewis (the mandatory)? Bowe blew out Dokes in one round in the next fight.

Posted May 21, 2014 7:07 pm 


The Prince

Badger – Vitali and Wlad reigned over the HW division for nearly a decade. There was nothing stopping them from fighting each other and proving who is the best HW of their era. Not doing to was one of many reasons the division sucked during their reign. They should have unified.

Posted May 21, 2014 6:50 pm 


The Prince

Badger – Neither Bowe nor Lewis were ducking each other. Both men wanted to fight each other and said so during after fight interviews. The reason the fight didn’t happen was because of boxing politics. Just like back then, boxing politics kept some big fights from happening. It almost happened with Tyson and Holyfield, though part of it was Tyson going to prison. Today it happens much more often.

Posted May 21, 2014 6:46 pm 


Boxing Fan

@Anonymous

Some things you need to learn:

1. Many people regard Andre Ward as “the second best all-around craftsman in the sport”, regardless of their skin colour.

2. Andre Ward is as much “white” as he is “black”. Please find the video of him talking about his father online and learn a little about what it means to be a human being rather than a member of a “race”.

3. There is nothing wrong with being homosexual. On the other hand, there IS something wrong with thinking there is something wrong with being homosexual.

Posted May 21, 2014 6:43 pm 


Boxing Fan

Are *all* people who post anonymously retarded? It often seems that way…

Posted May 21, 2014 6:35 pm 


Realst

I agree with the author here, Ward is an overhyped dullard who refuses to fight out of his comfort zone. Let’s be hosest he’d lose outside USA on his first attempt. Hey, sorry for speaking the truth – it does hurt but it’s true…

Posted May 21, 2014 6:34 pm 


Anonymous

Boxing Fan

“He is beyond just the best 168 pounder, he is considered the second best all around craftsman in the sport behind Mayweather. ”

Who says? Black Americans and their usual racist BS.

Rigondeaux, is far better than both Fraud ‘Ducky’ Duckweather and that deluded idiot Andre ‘The Gay’ Ward.

Posted May 21, 2014 6:27 pm 


badger

they were not even brothers.

Posted May 21, 2014 6:03 pm 


badger

Bowe did not unify with lewis.

Posted May 21, 2014 6:02 pm 


badger

hell prince holmes avoided Coetzee.

Posted May 21, 2014 6:02 pm 


Informer

Khan still makes too many mistakes. Floyd could give the first 4 rounds away and still beat Khan, because he makes mistakes and when he takes a breather, he does not move his head. He also has a weak chin. Every time you touch it he gets hurt. Floyd and Pac should fight while it still makes sense. Then make all of the other fights happen.

Posted May 21, 2014 5:58 pm 


Informer

I don’t blame it on the promoters. Are you telling me boxing has less promotion diversity than it did in the 70’s? 80’s, or 90’s? If fighters want to fight then they will fight. Also, the public must demand the best fights. Stop supporting Floyd and Manny until they fight each other. Don’t support Stevenson until he fights Kovalev.

Posted May 21, 2014 5:55 pm 


The Truth

Amir Khan is the most avoided fighter of all time even Mayweather is scared.God bless the Queen and Amir “KING” Khan….

Posted May 21, 2014 5:49 pm 


stuck in a moment

E in Denver….I hear ya but if ward was a euro he would be a huge star. Bigger then hatton. He would be a Lewis. Look who he beat and how he beat them. Holy fought in a popular American heavy era. Paul Williams was exciting and offensive but he wasn’t that popular. Boxing is a very weird sport in America.

Posted May 21, 2014 5:43 pm 


The Prince

Wlad not fighting his brother hurt the HW division. It kept the division divided from having an undisputed champion. Which is why I DON’T want Wlad fighting for the WBC belt. If he didn’t want to do what it took to unify the belts then, he can’t turn around and claim he wants to do it now.

Posted May 21, 2014 5:36 pm 


bacontown

Ward has found himself in the position of wanting and deserving of a big money fight without the opponent worthy of a big money fight. The 3 names most deserving of a fight with Ward are Stevenson, Kovalev and Golovkin and neither of the 3 are big draws themselves. He can beat up on lesser fighters such as Rodriguez and not get the money or credit he craves. Remember this, Floyd Mayweather didn’t make big money until he beat De La Hoya. Wards problem is there is no De La Hoya for him.

Posted May 21, 2014 5:36 pm 


T22

Ward is a fool to himself. If he fights regular he can build interest. Even take a leaf out of Chris Eubanks book and fight a few lesser challengers. Or maybe do what Chavez Snr did and engage in 4 or 5 non title fights a year. Take the show on the road even. Why not get a fight in Germany, England, China or Japan. If he’s got a wife or girlfriend Im sure she’d be up for a few holidays most women are. Cmon Andre get moving and do something.

Posted May 21, 2014 5:16 pm 


Boxing Fan

@SREDMOND

“It’s Wards world, he earned it”

Okay, well thankfully you and I live in different worlds, and I live in the one where 99.99% of all boxing fans and the rest of the real people live. We’ll happily leave you and Andre to your imaginary little playground where nothing happens: call it “Ward’s world” if you like; no one will pay the slightest bit of attention.

Posted May 21, 2014 5:16 pm 


pass the mustard

your thick you are Anonymous,we all no your a frankfurter

Posted May 21, 2014 5:12 pm 


SREDMOND

Kilts is a MASSIVE HW with major physical advantages, expectations of him and the division (HW) are different Wlads “bore factor” is epic… He is one of the only HW Champs best suited to Floyd Mayweathers undercard

Posted May 21, 2014 5:11 pm 


pass the mustard

F@K SAKE Anonymous you cant have everyone elses names you burger eating bum,

Posted May 21, 2014 5:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Kovalev and Stevenson are NOT bigger players or more vetted than Dawson, Froch or Kessler when Dre whupped them.. Learn boxing, Stevensons best win was Dawson AFTER Ward stopped him FIRST..

Posted May 21, 2014 5:08 pm 


Boxing Fan

@”The Prince”

So, what do you think about Wladimir Klitschko? He evinces all those virtues you’re talking about (hitting and not getting hit etc.), and therefore qualifies as a “master boxer”, right?

Posted May 21, 2014 5:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Boxing Fan, a fighter can change his division when he’s damn good and ready, if Ward wants to dominate 168 for years like Hagler did 160 or Hopkins 160 then that’s his right and choice.. Leaving so a lamer fighter can win by default will never make ANY 168 pounder out there truly the man at the weight..It’s Wards world, he earned it… LEARN

Posted May 21, 2014 5:05 pm 


Boxing Fan

@’The Prince”

WTF do you mean by calling Ward an “Urban” fighter? Is that your way of saying he’s “black”?

Well, it may be news to you, but most “white” and “Latino” fighters also come from “urban” neighbourhoods, and not all “black” fighters do: in fact, Andre Ward is a case in point: he grew up in a “white” middle-class neighbourhood in Hayward California, where he was brought up by his “white” (Irish) father.

In short, you’re a racist cretin.

Posted May 21, 2014 5:04 pm 


pass the mustard

gary you sux

Posted May 21, 2014 5:03 pm 


The Prince

The problem with boxing today, is that unlike the past, a lot of people have low attention spans and can’t appreciate boxing for what it truly is: Hitting without getting hit. So when a master boxer shows his talent, people call him boring, unlike the past where such boxers were admired like Ace Pitchers in baseball when they throw a shutout, a no-hitter, or a perfect game. You don’t hear baseball fans claim the game was boring because the other team couldn’t get any hits or score, unless the person is a FAN of the OTHER team. It’s not the fault of the fighter whom is dominating a boxing match, it’s the fault of the opponent for not being able to make it a contest. And it’s sad how a boxer can’t even use his gameplan, without ADD minded fans booing. I’m glad most of them don’t listen to it and continue to win.

Posted May 21, 2014 5:02 pm 


brown sauce on my sarny

f~k of Anonymous you trash talking dirt bag

Posted May 21, 2014 5:01 pm 


Anonymous

Prince playing the race card again. What gives? Especially considering that he’s by far one of the biggest racists on this damn site.

Posted May 21, 2014 4:54 pm 


The Prince

Ward is avoided for the simple reason that he’s too good, and certain boxing fans don’t want to see another “Urban” undefeated fighter making others look foolish in the ring like Mayweather has done. Ward also isn’t a dirty fighter, unless his opponent starts it first. Unlike other fighters, Ward doesn’t complain to the Ref, he gets even. GGG is not getting avoided, Chavez Jr. called him out, and GGG has said that he wanted to fight Chavez Jr. Both camps are now talking to set the fight up, unless something happened I didn’t know about.

Posted May 21, 2014 4:48 pm 


Pumps

Says it all about Ward really. When even your own fans have to pretend like a bout in your homeland is an away meet. Ha

Posted May 21, 2014 4:31 pm 


E in Denver

‘The problem is that an American boxer must sell himself..’ Correction, a defensive boxer must sell himself. Offensive fighters entertain in the ring. Defensive fighter have to be entertaining in the promotion. Holyfield was also a quite, ‘god fearing’, church going, type fighter. Holyfield was popular due to his entertaining style, being a HW didn’t hurt either.

Posted May 21, 2014 4:19 pm 


AssyrianGod

Maybe if Ward got himself a passport he would get a fight…let the b’stard travel for once!

Posted May 21, 2014 4:18 pm 


Dan Smith

Reality
Facebook Q & A session George Groves and Carl Froch, YouTube it and watch it.
May not be an official avoidance but it is still a huge compliment, and that is exactly what he said, hence the quotation marks.

Posted May 21, 2014 4:09 pm 


gary

boxing, like any sport in this day and age is business. ward is poor business, great boxer though. the two dont mix. he wont travel, he needs to if he wants money.

Posted May 21, 2014 3:45 pm 


Reality

Pretty long, pointless article. Ward I cad boring as he’ll. Supply and demand. No one really wants to watch the guy. He will likely never be a Ppv view draw and no one is really missing him. He is the best Smw but torture to watch.Also, Froch never said that about GGG.

Posted May 21, 2014 3:32 pm 


kato3388

Ward is a different kind of person than Floyd. Where Floyd sells himself as a gimmick, Ward chooses not to sell out like that. He’s a class guy, who doesn’t feel the need to showboat and brag and be an @$$hole to sell a fight. He is trying to do it on skill, determination and morals. I tip my hat to him. I was never a fan of his style, that defense first style, but he has grown on me since the Super Six, and see tremendous amounts of potential in him. Ward is no Maytwitter, he doesn’t need negative press to sell a fight. He constantly seeks out the best of the best to fight. This may be his downfall, but at least he’s doing it his way. Not all African American fighters need to act like Floyd or Broner to get noticed.

Posted May 21, 2014 3:22 pm 


stuck in a moment

My theory is correct. And the difference in purses, popularity between Floyd wand Ward cements it

Posted May 21, 2014 3:10 pm 


stuck in a moment

Hockey and soccer are more popular in America then boxing. Floyd sells himself. Broner sells himself. Thats why broner was getting ward money with no resume. Ward should be making 10mil a fight and be a star in America. But he makes 2mil a fight and nobody knows him

Posted May 21, 2014 3:08 pm 


stuck in a moment

Its what I been saying for years on this site. The problem is that an American boxer must sell himself. Ward will never be a household name. His career is great. I think he is the second best fighter in the world. But he is under paid and not popular. He dosent sell himself. Its not his fault. America likes bad boys when it comes to boxing. In other sports it dosent matter cause those sports are so popular.

Posted May 21, 2014 3:05 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND

No it is not away. An American fighting a foreigner in America is a home leg for the American no matter how you butter it up. Froch was the away fighter in that scenario, clearly.

If Froch fought Andre in Middlesbrough or Portsmouth, would you class that as a home or away fixture for him?

If Lucian Bute fought Andre in Edmonton you know you wouldn’t class it as an away fixture for Bute.

Posted May 21, 2014 3:05 pm 


yo yo

Go put put your thick head in the sand Anonymous,you need educating m8

Posted May 21, 2014 3:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Anyone arguing that Ward is not the best SMW in the world should keep their heads in the sand, hopefully they will suffocate and the world will have one less contrarian idiot to deal with.. He is beyond just the best 168 pounder, he is considered the second best all around craftsman in the sport behind Mayweather. Get wit the program

Posted May 21, 2014 2:32 pm 


SREDMOND

Anonymous, fighting on the East Coast when you are from the West is AWAY, Ward has no real fan base in AC BESIDES he beat Froch easy so Froch gotta FLY assuming he can even get by Groves of all people. Again I appreciate boxing master classes as well as slugfests, ALOT of casual fans and dimwits cannot understand or appreciate te nuances of feints, trapping, punch variety, and psychological games in the ring..Absent 100% exchanges where one guy out toughs the other neglecting defense in the process they are not entertained..
IMO a real fight fan can respect a variety of styles and approaches to te craft..

Posted May 21, 2014 2:29 pm 


Scottyboy

What incessant calls for a rematch has ward been making to froch? Froch asked for a rematch straight after their fight and ward told him to get back in line and be prepared to travel to ward’s back garden again. People want to watch froch/groves because they are exciting fighters, not boring spoilers. Why don’t you step up to LH and face Kovalev ward? If you somehow make it out without being ko’d then we’ll give you permission to slam other world champs.

Posted May 21, 2014 2:23 pm 


sean p h

Its cause andre like wlad is classey unlike floyd. Should be number one p4p.

Posted May 21, 2014 2:22 pm 


Anonymous

enjoying a good brawl is not a sign of low intelligence, it’s part of the sport of boxing, it comes in all varieties and sizes, a good sign of low intelligence is thinking other people are beneath you just because they don’t enjoy the same things you do, boxing is a violent sport that also includes finesse and has many facets to it, some parts are just more interesting to some people and not others….a true fan enjoys all facets of the sport and not just what one or two fighters do

Posted May 21, 2014 2:01 pm 


Anonymous

yo yo

All those people who love you … they are wrong.

Posted May 21, 2014 1:46 pm 


yo yo

Anonymous listen up and learn you thick scum bag

Posted May 21, 2014 1:41 pm 


The Pinoy Pikey

Anonymous, there are several kinds of fighting styles–hence: “Styles Make Fights”! Can’t have great fights otherwise. I’ve watched as much youtube stuff on greats like Pepp, Whitaker and Benny Leonard as I have on SRR, Marvin Hagler and Roberto Duran. Archie Moore was a great ring tactician who could it all, especially put his opponents to sleep: look at his fights with Durelle–the Old Mongoose had no choice but to slug it out. Two of the greatest P4P fighters of all time shared/overlapped in eras, and even fought each other: SRR and Homicide Hank–both completely different fighters in style, and both ATG’s. I believe I’ve seen the round where Willie Pep wins the round over Jackie Graves without throwing a punch, and I can appreciate that type of ring saviness, but I also loved and appreciated the savagery in the fights between Aaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello. NEED ALL THE STYLES!

Posted May 21, 2014 1:36 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Nobody’s avoiding Ward. He’s languishing because he’s in an unresolved lawsuit with his promoter. The same thing happened to many Don King fighters in the past. Fact is Ward signed an extension then decided no, he wants to be a free agent before the extension expires. So it’s one of those cases where the promoter (Goosen) isn’t to blame for once, Ward is.

Posted May 21, 2014 1:33 pm 


spooky

Paul Williams was a beast of a Welter when the division was RED HOT and no one was calling him out!

He beat guys that the others were avoiding. His size and work-rate would’ve given anyone fits.

He wasn’t a BIG star because he couldn’t get the best to fight him. Mosley, Mayweather, Cotto, etc.

Posted May 21, 2014 1:26 pm 


Gus

Ward is a very good fighter but if he were fighting in the same city on the same night as say Provodnikov or a 2nd rate action fighter I would not pay to watch Ward. Ward has himself to blame for not being the big draw. He is the classic home town fighter and when he fought Kessler he used his head as a battering ram.

Posted May 21, 2014 1:24 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND

Atlantic city does not constitute as ‘away from home’ match for Andre Ward. You’re really clutching at straws there. Andre Ward is an American. America is his country. Carl Froch is from the UK. He was the one who away fighter not Andre.

I doubt you would be saying the same about Froch if he fought Andre in any English city outside of Nottingham.

Posted May 21, 2014 1:21 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND the racist scum. Letting him live was medical malpractice. His mother should of swallowed him.

Posted May 21, 2014 1:19 pm 


Anonymous

PINOY PIKEY

Good point. The TRUE diehard boxing fan will appreciate a defensive boxing wizard like Whitaker, an all round brawler like Duran, a boxer puncher like Wladimir or Arguello and your meat and potatoes rough necks like Mickey Ward, Gatti and ring general like Sanchez.

Boxing is made up of the sum of all these parts and any fan who can’t stand slugfests, or scientific masterpieces or the come from behind KO winners etc..etc.. Is NOT a true diehard fan of the sport but a fan of one of the sport’s aspects.

Nothing wrong with that but they should never speak for and can’t claim to be a diehard boxing fan, because they’re not!

Posted May 21, 2014 1:18 pm 


Dave

Andre ‘I only fight at home, with my own Ref and my own Judges’ Ward

Ward is a fooking joke.

Posted May 21, 2014 1:17 pm 


spooky

Ward is not avoided.

GGG, Kovalev = Avoided

Stevenson is a joke and will be beaten as soon as he steps up the competition. Reminds me of Bute, only worse. Bute looked Super when facing 2nd tier fighters in his hometown.

Posted May 21, 2014 1:15 pm 


The Pinoy Pikey

SRedmond, I don’t believe it is a matter of low intellect. Surely foks can appreciate the greats that used Ring I.Q. such as Pepp, Whitaker, Tunney and Benny Leonard come to mind immediately. Let me ask you: did you, or did you not enjoy the Gatti vs Ward trilogy and the fights between Israel Vazques vs Rafael Marquez, Hearns vs Hagler, Bazooka vs Pintor etc? If fight fan who enjoys those kinds of fights is percieved as a fan of low intellect, then call me mentally retarded…LOL!

Posted May 21, 2014 1:05 pm 


SREDMOND

A lot of people call Ward boring for the same reason they call Mayweather “boring” both these non HW’s make their opposition look completely inept… Froch, Kessler, Dawson were all HIGHLY regarded World Champions when Ward picked them apart and made them look like bush leaguers.. The low intellect, average, blue collar fan likes to see slugfests and cannot reconcile masterful domination it’s the “give your opponent a chance mentality” what’s lost on such dullards is that Ward stopped Kessler and Dawson both of whom had never had an early night before facing him… Whatever ya wanna say about him, no on can defeat him at 168… Meanwhile we have Froch needing a hometown stoppage to prevail in th UK and Ward dusted him AWAY from home in Atlantic City… Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

Posted May 21, 2014 12:36 pm 


Dan

Andre ward is ‘avoided’ because of 3 reasons.

1. He is a home town fighter
2. He can’t sell tickets because he is boring
3. He headbuts a lot!

Froch will make millions more fighting groves, Kessler, Chavez junior, my nan than ward.

Posted May 21, 2014 12:18 pm 


Anonymous

WHO the F@K is Anonymous

Posted May 21, 2014 11:35 am 


Dan Smith

banjo
Thanks for the advice, well aware of Hearns he was fantastic, I had heard of Paul Williams but had to do more research to talk about him, and he was not exactly a big star in England.
Thanks anyway like I said, it is appreciated when it’s in a constructive format

Posted May 21, 2014 11:30 am 


Dan Smith

flydog
Froch quote taken from recent Facebook q and a session, just discussion, not an active avoidance.
Do not dislike froch just do not rate him which is my opinion and is an opinion that did not in any way affect this article.

Posted May 21, 2014 11:27 am 


banjo

and the son of god thing. prat

Posted May 21, 2014 11:21 am 


Smith

Part of Andre Wards problem is that he is boring. He talks boring, he fights boring. He has no market value dispite his undefeated record. Andre who ????

Posted May 21, 2014 11:17 am 


banjo

spoonful of cement, i like that one.

dan smith, i’m going to back up a bit, but only slightly, seeing as you’re new to the game. kudos for you interest in the great sport. kudos for your passion for journalism, your skills will develop surely. however, you are submitting articles to be read by long time hard core fans , and as such you need to be aware that the credibility of you words will be questioned. especially when you write of a decline in boxing having so little experience in it yourself.

to me, paul williams is today. that’s what happens when you get older, the past stays with you. to you though, he is history to be researched. again, kudos for the research. have a watch of a thomas hearns fight on youtube, he was the original 6’1” welter. and a killer to boot.

hmmm.. yes, keep enjoying your boxing, keep doing your research and keep writing your articles, who are we to tell you otherwise.

Posted May 21, 2014 11:13 am 


SREDMOND

Ward might never become a big attraction but that does not change the way he has DOMINATED his competition and the depth of his resume at this juncture of his career.. Lets face it there are NOT 10 fighters who can do the A side of a PPV and you have Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Chavez Jr, Canelo and maybe Marquez or Bradley on a smaller scale… Andre Wards legacy will likely be that of the heir apparent to Mayweather in terms of technical execution and the ability to make World Class fighters look inept, he does not create the buzz that a ruthless self promoter like Floyd does but he is an amazing talent and perhaps that will have to suffice going forward…

Posted May 21, 2014 11:11 am 


Mack75

The problem is Ward’s style, he is an exceptional fighter but he simply doesn’t capture the public’s imagination. Rigondeaux has the exact same problem. Mayweathers style isn’t exciting either, but his personality, lavish lifestyle and how he sells a fight means people keep tuning in to see him lose.

80,000 people are going to Wembley because of the compelling chracters involved. Froch is quite limitied, but he is rarely in a boring fight. Groves is this obnoxious little fcuk, but he is exciting to watch. Both hate each other, are vulnerbale and this leads to high viewership. I mean who wants to see ward outlcass every guy for 12 rounds. There is no sense of threater there, whereas Froch v Groves no when can say what will happen and this is why the numbers are crazy..

Ward is a victim of his own success. Even if he had no promotional problems or shoulder injuries people just don’t want to see the guy fight. He is not a good seller out of the ring and really boring in it. I’m sure Ward thinks if he changes promoters things will change but until he becomes a far more interesting character he will remain on the outside looking in..

Posted May 21, 2014 11:03 am 


JE

P.S. The “boxing-is-in-decline” genre of articles have been around as long as boxing. Such a statement ignores the evidence that the sport still provides opportunity for the truly gifted (Mayweather) and even the above-average (Froch) to thrive and make significant money. Froch and Groves, both sturdy top 10-ish fighters will fill a stadium. Klitschko fills stadiums. Mayweather scores big on PPV. All of them do this in different countries. MLB, the NFL, and the NBA cannot do the same on a consistent, year-round basis. Boxing is dying? I think not.

Posted May 21, 2014 10:55 am 


Boxer

You can deny the facts all you want but at the end of the day andre ward is number 1 p4p in the whole world he can literally do it all better than all, he’s open about his faith and that hurts him in a buisness so evil and corrupt, andre isn’t going to influence kids to chase a life that leaves you thirsty, but a life that leads to glory!

Posted May 21, 2014 10:45 am 


JE

Fighters in the 168 division learned that avoiding Andre Ward is the only real way to keep a belt. Froch was absolutely no match for Ward. To say Froch is defending “world” titles is a long stretch given that the fighter he lost his belt to is still the active World Champion. Many outside the US are satisfied with belts, virtually any belts, and are content to not fight the world’s best opponents (see Felix Sturm). Ward has cleaned out his division and will eventually clean out the 175 division as well. Carl Froch, is an honorable fighter in that he’s met the world’s best opponents, winning some and losing some, but his team now wants him to keep belts and nothing more.

Posted May 21, 2014 10:43 am 


flydog

I’ve been greatly impressed when watching Ward fight and he’s the best SMW imho. However, when he and Froch both retire I’ll miss Froch far more! The author doesn’t like Froch, that much is clear, and he takes what opportunities he can to discredit him despite who and how Froch has fought over the years. I find it difficult to believe that Froch openly avoided a fight with Golovkin due to GGG’s power. Didn’t Bute have power in that wicked left uppercut he used to throw?? Ward is a strange case. . .dominant and aloof. I’ve heard him state after fights that he prefers for other fighters to call HIM out. Maybe I’m doing him a disservice but I took that to mean that that would put him in a position where he could dictate terms and conditions because “hey, you called ME out!!” I can believe that some fighters might well avoid Ward because of the high chance they’ll lose and lose badly, however, I don’t exactly hear the boxing public clamouring to see him fight again either. Personally, I’m quite happy getting by watching the likes of Groves v Froch lay it all on the line even if they’re not the best…

Posted May 21, 2014 10:41 am 


DMX

Right. . . Stop sulking and go to your room

Posted May 21, 2014 10:24 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This is My Domain and I Rule it With an Iron Talon

How comes Brian Vera’s b!tch Juilo Cesar Chavez was worthy, whom Ward described as a great fighter when he was begging on bended knee to fight him but who he later described as a ”weak link” when it looked like Froch had got the gig? ROFL.

Posted May 21, 2014 10:17 am 


Dan Smith

Thanks for the advice, did seem a little word-heavy, and trust me I’m not in any way sensitive to this, I received much, MUCH worse on previous articles! Like I said, let me know when you write yours and I’ll be happy to take a look, and possibly leave a comment.
Good luck.

Posted May 21, 2014 10:17 am 


DMX

Don’t be so sensitive Dan
Have a teaspoon of cement and harden up
It’s a boxing forum , can’t be all serious stuff

In the meantime stop writing like HecDog in blocks of a 1000 words
Makes for a strange read
Sentences . . . Sentences . . Sentences

Jeeez
What has happened to Britains youth?

Posted May 21, 2014 10:13 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This is My Domain and I Rule it With an Iron Talon

The only one who was truly unworthy is SOG Ward. Totally unworthy of his place in the Super Six. Naturally he completely brushed that one under the carper though. And with good reason. Because he’d literally done nothing to warrant his inclusion. lol

Posted May 21, 2014 10:08 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This is My Domain and I Rule it With an Iron Talon

How comes the alcohol ravaged corpse of Kenny Pavlik was worthy even though he was shot to hell? lol

Posted May 21, 2014 10:06 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This is My Domain and I Rule it With an Iron Talon

How comes Bute and Stevenson ”weren’t worthy” and had to ”earn their shots” but MW Caleb Truax, Dmitri Sartison were, both of whom Ward tried to line up, line up until HBO FORCED him to take a tougher test, which he later lied about, saying that he chose the replacement they FORCED him to take on (Edwin Rodriguez), saying that he deliberate chose Rodriguez because he didn’t want an easy mark. Lying SOB. (ROFL). How comes Rodriguez was more worthy than them too?

Posted May 21, 2014 10:05 am 


Dan Smith

Course not lol I’m not a journalist mate just an AVERAGE boxing fan who channels his interest in to writing about it, rather than acting all superior and making snide comments on forums.
You carry on though cos it does give me something to read before I write the next one.

Posted May 21, 2014 10:01 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This is My Domain and I Rule it With an Iron Talon

Edit> Ward made Froch do his dirty work for him

Posted May 21, 2014 9:59 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – This is My Domain and I Rule it With an Iron Talon

Adonis Stevenson called Ward out and said he would be willing to go to Jokeland to fight him, as part of a two fight deal. One in Oakland at 168, and one in Montreal at 175. Ward, who keeps bawling that nobody wants to fight him, wasn’t remotely interested. He sh!t his britches. Stevenson, aka the linear LHW champion and who had just scored a first round KO over a non drained, non cadaverous corpse healthy Chad Dawson, wasn’t worthy of a shot at him. Just like when Ward shamelessly ducked the reigning IBF champion and top two ranked SMW Bute, who crazily also offered to go to Jokekland to fight him, wasn’t worthy even though just a few months earlier Ward had said that Bute was the ONLY fight out there for the winner of the Super Six and the fight had to be made. He also said he would absolutely love that fight and that it would put an end to all the talk of who was the best at 168. But when Bute came knocking Ward slammed the door in his face and made fRoch, who’d undergone a far tougher schedule than Ward both during (1 fight at home, 4 away to Ward’s 5 fights at home, American refs for all of them, fellow Californians for 3 of them, all of which he also had 3 Californian judges for too) and during the previous year prior to the Super Six, where he was embroiled in a brace of extremely draining almighty wars with Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor, the later of which also away.

Yvon Michel, promoter of newly crowned light heavyweight world champion Adonis Stevenson, advised *********** that in the event a fight with Bernard Hopkins cannot be made, that he would be willing to do a two-fight deal with super middleweight king Andre Ward.

Stevenson (21-1, 18 KOs) stunned the boxing world with a one-round knockout of reigning 175-pound boss Chad Dawson (31-3, 17 KOs) last Saturday in front of his hometown fans of Montreal.

“Adonis’s first wish would be to fight Bernard Hopkins, and if that’s not feasible to make that fight, his second wish would be to fight Andre Ward,” Michel said. “Everyone is aware Ward is looking for an opponent that he hasn’t fought. He tried to fight [Julio Cesar] Chavez Jr., or Carl Froch, but Froch seems to be busy somewhere else, so he’s desperate to sign a quality opponent.”

—————————————–

MONTREAL – Newly-minted WBC light-heavyweight champ Adonis Stevenson wants a piece of undefeated American Andre Ward, but the feeling isn’t mutual.

Ward, considered the No. 2 pound-for-pound pugilist in the world behind Floyd Mayweather, says Stevenson (21-1-0, 18 KOs) doesn’t have the track record to warrant a title fight.

The WBA super middleweight champion (26-0, 14 KOs) says Stevenson won’t get a shot until he has “won some big fights.”

But Ward might have trouble saying no if Stevenson’s devastating first-round knockout of American Chad Dawson on Saturday piques interest in the power-punching, late-blooming Montrealer.

His promoter, Yvon Michel, told QMI Agency that he’ll meet HBO top brass next week to try to hammer out a deal that would see Stevenson fight Ward on U.S. soil at 168 pounds, on one condition.

“(Ward must) sign a two-fight deal that guarantees a return to Montreal at 175 pounds,” said Michel. “We won’t give (Ward) all of the advantages!”

HBO commentators were dazzled by Stevenson’s left cross that felled Dawson, with analyst Max Kellerman calling the bout a “star-making performance.”

Stevenson only began boxing at age 29, but has knocked out his last eight opponents. He says Ward, who was at ringside at the Bell Centre on Saturday, simply wants to avoid Dawson’s fate.

“Ward definitely wants to delay this to avoid facing me,” said the champ. “It took him 10 rounds to defeat Chad Dawson. It took me how many seconds? Ah yes, 76. Ward is crazy to say I’m not ready.”

As a result, Michel has proposed a home-and-home series where each fighter can defend his respective title on his own stomping grounds.

“And so on that, we’re willing [to fight Ward],” Michel said. “Adonis can fight at 168 or 175, so what we’re willing to do is to go to Oakland in September at 168, but on the condition that there’s a written rematch here [in Montreal] at 175, regardless of the result [in the first fight].”

Ward (26-0, 14 KOs) has not fought since last September, when he protected his Oakland, Calif., hometurf by stopping Dawson in 10 rounds, successfully defending his 168-pound world title in the process.

“Andre Ward took 10 rounds to dismantle a guy, who by his own admission was very, very weak, and drained in the fight,” Michel said. “Adonis took the best Chad Dawson, who said that he had the best training camp of life, and that he was back in his own weight division, and it took one punch for [Adonis] to take him out.”

After injuring his right shoulder during his last training camp, Ward has since undergone surgery in January and returned to the gym to prepare for a targeted September foe, according to his promoter Dan Goossen.

“They said they want to fight in September. We want to fight in September. If he wants a tune-up fight, just say so,” Michel said. “Don’t say otherwise because Adonis is ready.

Posted May 21, 2014 9:58 am 


DMX

Corr Blimey . . . .
Dan, I ain’t half noticed that you ain’t talking all proper an posh like a journalist now

Posted May 21, 2014 9:55 am 


Dan Smith

DMX

I’m 21 years old and haven’t had boxing available to me until recently cos here in England football takes priority, plus I weren’t staying up as a young child watching late night boxing.
Congratulations on knowing a boxer’s name longer than me, look forward to seeing your article

Posted May 21, 2014 9:42 am 


Sant Flores

This era of boxing is beyond corrupt!!!

Posted May 21, 2014 9:37 am 


Boxing Fan

P.S. By mentioning Groves/DeGale I am of course assuming that Groves will beat Froch, and that the next big fight will probably be Groves vs DeGale. I may well be wrong about all that, of course, but you get the basic point: the action at Super Middleweight at the moment is in the UK, so if Ward wants recognition, he needs to travel there to fight. Either that, or move back up to Light Heavyweight.

Posted May 21, 2014 9:29 am 


yo

Boxers avoid tough competition because their fans adore them and allow them to.

Imagine if there was an organized protest by fans: a boycott of Mayweather and Manny fights unless and until they fight each other.

If Manny and Floyd saw a sea of empty seats at their fights, they would be forced to stand up and fight each other.

The blame for fighters facing handpicked opposition resides with the fans.

The fans will pay to see Floyd and Manny fight anyone, so they have no pressure to face each other.

Posted May 21, 2014 9:27 am 


Boxing Fan

Ward is not being avoided. Rather, HE is avoiding ever fighting outside his comfort zone, his country (or even, for the most part, his home town).

It’s just misplaced arrogance to assume that other boxers should have to travel to his country to fight him. He was the only one who got away with this in the Super Six, and it shouldn’t have been allowed. Let him travel if he wants the world to recognise him.

The fact is that Ward has no charisma, is a boring fighter to watch (for most fans), and so has precious little drawing power. That’s why Froch and Groves will be fighting in front of 80,000 fans while Ward is lucky if he gets 10% of that — and most will not be *his* fans even then.

If Ward starts travelling, by e.g. giving Kessler a rematch in Denmark (he owes him this: that’s why Kessler gave Froch a rematch in England: he’s is a gentleman and a real sportsman), and wins it, then maybe he will earn a shot at the winner of Froch/Groves or the winner of Groves/DeGale at Wembley stadium in front of 80,00 fans.

And if he REALLY wants that recognition he seeks, he needs to fight just 7lb north, to Light Heavyweight, and take on the likes of Kovalev and Stevenson. This shouldn;t be difficult for him, since he fought at Lightheavy as an amateur (e.g. at the Olympics).

Most boxing fans won’t shell out their hard-earned money just to watch a talented-but-boring “defensive technician” who always plays it safe, and never takes any risks. Boxing fans want fighters to entertain, to expose themselves to challenges, and to put on exciting shows. Ward need not change his style of fighting, necessarily, but he does need to fight more often, be prepared to travel outside his comfort zone, or at least step up by 7lb and take on Kovalev or Stevenson.

Until then, he just needs to just quit whining.

Posted May 21, 2014 9:24 am 


banjo

that’s a lots of opinion on boxing’s decline for someone who hadn’t heard of paul williams.

Posted May 21, 2014 9:24 am 


Hecdog

What about Mayweather… Pacquiao has been avoiding him for years now.
Every excuse in the book… “I’m affraid of needles” covered in tattoos. “Floyd only offered me $40 million flat” career hihg pay was $30 million.

Posted May 21, 2014 9:20 am 


Anonymous

Andre, whatever…

Posted May 21, 2014 8:59 am 


Anonymous

Who the f u c k is Andrew Ward?

Posted May 21, 2014 8:59 am 


Anonymous

Who the fukc is Andre Ward?

Posted May 21, 2014 8:58 am 


Anonymous

The Most Avoided Fighter In Boxing, The Who Needs Them Club or whatever you want to label them as has been around since boxing has been around.
These guys are obviously GOOD or they have the ability to make you look BAD (spoilers, technically gifted etc.) but, as Boxing BARLOW says, the one thing they lack is the ability to generate dollars and make the risk:reward scenario attractive enough to actually fight them.

We should be looking at the promoters to PUT UP or SHUT UP.

MARGARITO was promoted by Bob Arum. He certainly could and should have put up the money for him to get the big fights earlier in his tenure as champ.

It actually suits these promoters to build these guys up as unbeatable, avoided at all costs as it builds up the mystic in them.

Genearalky, I’ve found most of these sure bets actually get found out, perhaps through no fault of their own, they haven’t actually faced sufficient competition to sharpen their tools and then they fight a super good fighter and get exposed. It’s happened to often in boxing for me to be super excited about anyone really.

Posted May 21, 2014 8:32 am 


BS

Another ‘Boxing is declining’ monger… Just because Floyd wont fight Pacquioa and Klitchko is as boring to watch as this article was to read, BOXING is not declining!

Mayweather is still the highest paid sportsman in the world. Hundreds of millions of fans are still watching and loving the sport. It’s a shame that there are so many belts/ways for fighters to duck, dive and dodge the opponents that we want to see them fight… And it’s annoying the whole ‘cold war’ BS between Top Rank & Golden Boy… My point is BOXING IS NOT DECLINING. So shut up and stop mongering something that people have been mongering for years now… Yet nothing has changed and great fights are still taking place!

Posted May 21, 2014 8:30 am 


Bo Bo Olson

Ward ignored Froch’s rematch pleas. After that, Ward was out injured for a full year and a tad.

Ward can’t get a big money fight…first there is little big money to be had in the States from fighters few in the States ever heard of.
Second, Ward could fight some local US boys for peanuts. He does have a mandatory or two.

By the way Sugar Ray Robinson was also a giant in his time at 5’11”. He only fought one man his height at welter, I think only one at 5’10, the rest were normal sized Welters…and the fans saw him lose to a ‘5-6″ ex champ…but the judges gave Robinson that fight. He avoided certain black boxers also. I can’t remember his name but he was Real famous for everyone dodging him. Not enough punch to make the Champs fight him….even then, pure boxers were not the darling of the fans.

Posted May 21, 2014 8:20 am 


boxing barlow

DmX totally agree regarding Williams.

With regards to fighters out there who are supposedly avoided it amazes me why they dont ever fight each other? Ward is avoided, GGG is avoided, Kovalev is avioded etc etc. Well there’s three fighters around the same weightwho could all blow the rest of the fighters in their divisons out and just fight each other! In my exexperience there is no such thing as an avioded fighter. Anyone will fight anyone is the price is right. Its just some fighters cant get the fights they want down to it not making financial sense.

Posted May 21, 2014 8:18 am 


DMX

If you have never heard of Paul Williams
You should not be writing articles on a boxing website

Get your friend to do it
The serious boxing head . . . .

Posted May 21, 2014 8:05 am 



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