why do you lot love hype jobs,stick to big brother.Posted May 27, 2014 11:05 am
eggs and bacon
joe bugner is a bumPosted May 27, 2014 4:41 am
Tark- Eubank, Reid, Woodall, Bika, Brewer, Mitchell, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones Jr and Lacy were all ex, concurrent or future world champs…and Shieka beat Glen Johnson who people keep bringing up. Kessler had faded by the time he fought Ward, and Wards fouling and butting didnt help niether! JC beat a prime unbeaten Kessler. Froch was a nobody back in 2006-7. Wards a slow, fouling, powder puff punching hometown fighter.Posted May 27, 2014 4:23 am
Bigger, stronger, taller, and tougher doesn’t mean better.. That’s what senior claims.Posted May 27, 2014 2:28 am
????? “Brewer, Shieka, Woodall, Lacy” ????
That’s what I’m talking about… Those guys were really bad.
Kessler was his best prime opponent. Ward made him look like a puncing bag.Posted May 27, 2014 2:26 am
Lol at Tark..
“He’s stronger and tougher than his father “Posted May 26, 2014 7:31 pm
Lol at Tark..
As usual….Posted May 26, 2014 7:09 pm
no comp? Eubank, Mitchell, Brewer, Shieka, Woodall, Lacy, Kessler, Bika, BHOP, RJJ???Posted May 26, 2014 5:35 pm
ECAT – Ward more power?? Keep dreaming…when is the last time Ward ko’d anybody? A weight drained Dawson? Calzaghe had granite chinned Eubank down, and was the only guy to stop Byron Mitchell. Speed? Ward aint quick, he has only average handspeed and is slow-average footed. Ward also gasses in fights, and no way in hell does he throw and land even close as many shots as JC. Opposition? As been said, ALL Wards comp have been straight ahead, slow, pressure fighters. JC fought way more variety, and Eubank beats any Ward opponent.Posted May 26, 2014 5:34 pm
tark is dead wrongPosted May 26, 2014 3:18 pm
I know I repeat myself, but Joe had NO COMPETITION HIS ENTIRE CAREER! Ward has fought BETTER prime fighters than Calzaghe… Ward has a BETTER defense…BETTER infighting skills…is a BETTER puncher…a BETTER boxer… and Joe is NOT FASTER than Ward!
And you know damn well that Joe vs Froch would’ve been a GREAT FIGHT in England — but Joe ducked him into retirement!Posted May 26, 2014 1:48 pm
Calzaghe was never a face first fighter, which is why he outscored most of his opponents easily. He liked to brawl sometimes, as with Eubank, but had great mobility, distance awareness and speed, and the ability to adapt to any opponent as Emanuel Steward himself commented. Ward has only really ever faced slowish come forward fighters like Kessler, Froch, Rodriguez, Bika etc, he has yet to fight anyone with superior handspeed, ring mobility, adaptability and footwork than himself. Ward has no advantage over Calzaghe; 1. Handspeed. 2. Footspeed. 3. Overall mobility. 4. Stamina, 5. Power, 6. Durability. 7. Adaptability/Improvisation. 8. Ability to win outside his backyard. 9 Workrate, 10. Diversity of opponents…..nothing points to Ward at all really.Posted May 26, 2014 11:30 am
@Tark – That is incorrect about Froch. In April 2007 when Calzaghe faced the admittedly useless Manfredo (at the insistence of US TV) Carl Froch was 21-0 and had fought nobody at all of note, and was certainly not highly regarded. The only ”name” on his record was Brian Magee, whom he struggled to beat in 11 rounds. Its absolutely true that Stieglitz was Calzaghe’s preferred opponent (ranked higher than both Froch and Manfredo), but US TV wanted a US fighter, Manfredo was just about the best US Super Middle they could find, even though many better fighters were out there. So was Calzaghe ducking Froch? Clearly not, Froch was not on anybodys radar back then….As for Ward, far too slow of hand and foot for Calzaghe, far too low a punch output and workrate, far too little power, and a fighter that fades late in fights. No chance. Calzaghe would outpoint Ward comfortably. Only somebody who could match Calzaghe for speed, punch output and stamina would have a chance with him, ”possibly” a prime Roy Jones, but Ward, Hopkins, Toney, Golovkin and Froch, no way.Posted May 26, 2014 11:22 am
Regarding Omr Shieka – Calzaghe detractors drone on and on about how he never faced Glenn Johnson, however they forget that Johnson was beaten by Shieka just before Calzaghe utterly destroyed Shieka with ease. That should put Johnsons chances in perspective.Posted May 26, 2014 11:10 am
Byron Mitchell* not Omar SheikahPosted May 26, 2014 5:33 am
Uh god …… Calzaghe never beat a great prime boxer ? So ward is great by beating who again?the likes of Kessler ? Yeah I remember Jeff lacy was the most feared middleweight and most “experts” especially the “ring magazine experts”said that lacy will knock the (for them ) untested Calzaghe …. Lol … He toyed with him and that tells you how much better Calzaghe was from one of organization champion …. Calzaghe got floored by Omar sheika in the first round but he stopped sheika in the second round … He defended a title for more then 20 times and that’s not by luck. !Posted May 26, 2014 5:31 am
EVERYONE knew Manfredo was an easy setup for Calzaghe.Posted May 26, 2014 4:38 am
Froch was a much bigger and undefeated name than Manfredo was you moron… EVERYONE knew Manfredo was an easy setup for Froch… and EVERYONE wanted Calzaghe to fight Froch.
And you know sh!t about evaluating boxers because Ward would beat the living crap out of Calzaghe … and you’d lose all your money.
Calzaghe came straight in leading with his face… Ward would blast the sh!t out of him.. That’s why Calzaghe got floored so often — even though he never fought ANY great prime boxers like Ward.Posted May 26, 2014 4:36 am
Tark – Calzaghe did not duck Froch at all. The reality is that the other option Calzaghe had was Steiglitz, but American TV wanted an American opponent, hence Manfredo Jr. Froch was simply not a big name then, and not even highly rated. As for Froch being better than Calzaghe, that is a nonsense. Froch is slow handed, slow footed and not very mobile, and his workrate is not even close to that of Calzaghe, and nor is Ward’s for that matter. I would stake my house on a prime Calzaghe winning by UD against both Froch and Ward…and Golovkin for that matter.Posted May 26, 2014 2:43 am
And btw I don’t think Calzaghe would have been dominated by an unknown George groves like froch did , just saying ….Posted May 26, 2014 2:28 am
Tark ,first Calzaghe beat Kessler at his peek who btw was a champion and nr.2 ranked at the time ,not froch
Adrien…, I saw Froch-Kessler 1 in Denmark and that was a pure robbery… Froch fought injured but still won on the 2 commentators cards… Before Froch-Kessler II was telecast Jim Lampley went over the punch stats of the first fight and showed the viewers in graphic just how big a margin of victory Froch had on all the punch stats.
The rematch showed just how much better Froch was than Kessler and why Calzaghe refused to fight Froch.
Calzaghe took much less money to fight cherry-pick Peter Manfredo than he would have gotten for fighting Froch.
I’m not saying Froch is that great either but he’s better than Calzaghe who was scared of him… Ward beat Froch and Kessler without even trying.Posted May 25, 2014 11:09 pm
Ok, it’s probable that he doesn’t, but who would think mad about a father trying to promote his son. Should he say “Golovkin ??? Naaa, that guy destroys my son, no chance.” ?Posted May 25, 2014 5:52 pm
TARK is a gay loser. He comes here spouting off his usual line of crap, he’s a total idiot.Posted May 25, 2014 2:33 pm
They lined them up and a Steve Robinson beat them all
a little off on a tangent, but someone posted that too many british boxers have been overlooked. this is a statement i agree with. a name i wish to add to that is that of Steve Robinson. the man who took his chance with both hands and grasped it. A welsh boxer with little on his CV. the vacant WBO featherweight title was up for grabs. one of the fighters had to lose the oportunity to fight as tested positive for HIV. with two days notice steve robinson took the fight. he won clearly, it was no close decission. seven successful defences including a brilliant display in beating a three division world champion in duke mackensie forgive spelling on your name duke! a body punch which ended his career. he grew in statue and confidence, but stayed a humble man with dignity. he lost his crown to nassem hamed, a man who with his flash style and un-natural power would be a global success.but mr robinson was a man who lived his dream and holds a sepcial place in my memory. boy done good!Posted May 25, 2014 8:18 am
Eubank has never been destroyedPosted May 25, 2014 6:28 am
GGG destroys both Eubanks on the same night in their prime then again the next weekendPosted May 25, 2014 6:13 am
Tark I know you praised Emanuel steward in the past who was the commentator on hbo when jc fought Kessler and steward said jc is not good but a very special fighter that knows how fight everyone and win .
Adrien.., “Calzaghe beat everyone that was put in front of him” … LMFAO”
Tark you can LMFO all you want but jc
GGG of course, who chris eubank?Posted May 25, 2014 1:12 am
Calzaghe, had very fast hands, I would say watch the Roy’s jones fight he gave jr his own style right back at him. The low left and bobbing and weaving and popping that left right in jr face. He kept changing his style then he slug inside, really the right way to fight jr jones make it your fight.
Tark….who exactly did JC ”DUCK” at Super Middle? As for GGG, big hitter, but slower and smaller than Calzaghe, and still unproven….so Tark’s assessment is wishfull thinking.Posted May 24, 2014 10:05 pm
JMW to SMW …..I meant.Posted May 24, 2014 9:41 pm
I do not always agree with Tark.. but in is assessment of a JC/GGG fight he is spot on… JC was wide open to be hit, his skylarking in the ring an bravado would last all of 1 maybe 2 rounds before he realized he was in with a machine that goes down the middle and to the body better than most. So much focus on GGG power takes away from the fact the guy can box, he stalks better than anyone in the game today … period…no one even comes close. his shots are timed not just hard, he is a middleweight version of Kostya Tszyu but better. The only middleweight worth anything to “legitimately” call him out is Geale. With the exception of the Barker fight Geale’s work rate is unmatched in the MW division but this won’t be enough to trouble GGG. Maravilla is fighting a blown up JWW in Cotto for a payday and not taking on the best. FMJ has no place in the ring with GGG, too small and not enough power to keep GGG of him. With the exception of Ward GGG beat all from JMM to SMM.Posted May 24, 2014 9:39 pm
TARK so bitter and so cluelessPosted May 24, 2014 8:15 pm
@Anonymous.why are you ashamed of your birth name my lil poopy knappy boy,no need to be closet boy,be proud lil Anonymous stand tallPosted May 24, 2014 5:59 pm
“Don’t give me Hopkins. The man’s is a rotting corpse… B-Hop was done in long before Calzaghe fought him… That bum Jermain Taylor even got wins over a doddering Ol’ Man Hopkins… That was 2 years before Calzaghe fought him… Dawson also proved that Hopkins wasn’t sh!t.”
The irony isn’t lost on me!
So … was he a “doddering ‘ol Man” or as “Dawson also proved” “wasn’t sh!t”?
Make your mind up Tark … and I’m no real fan of Calzaghe either.Posted May 24, 2014 5:58 pm
@DMX!stop talking 2yourself you stupid kantPosted May 24, 2014 5:55 pm
Adrien.., “Calzaghe beat everyone that was put in front of him” … LMFAO
Nobody was put in front of Calzaghe who was a prime great fighter.. He ducked them all.. Kessler was a punching bag…Ward, with only 20 fights punched Kessler around as he pleased and never got hit a good shot.
And so what if not much happened when Kessler nailed him??? Mikkel can’t punch. If someone such as Kovalev hit Calzaghe like that they’d count to 10.
Don’t give me Hopkins. The man’s is a rotting corpse… B-Hop was done in long before Calzaghe fought him… That bum Jermain Taylor even got wins over a doddering Ol’ Man Hopkins… That was 2 years before Calzaghe fought him… Dawson also proved that Hopkins wasn’t sh!t.Posted May 24, 2014 2:57 pm
They brought up his nickname
“No said Thompson, they are my initials Carl Anthony Thompson”
Joe was a good fighter, but let’s be honest, he had no competition his entire career. Froch vs Joe would’ve been a great fight in England but Joe ducked him into retirement periodPosted May 24, 2014 2:04 pm
bird mans a burke and marks a maggot lolPosted May 24, 2014 1:25 pm
EUbank him and his dad are jokers. EUbank jnr not even the best middleweight in Britain n like when he was trying to use degale s name all the time. Talk is cheap. N word of warning just because you have sparred the best means nothing the real test is fighting the best.Posted May 24, 2014 12:10 pm
The Pinoy Pikey
I believe that RJJ is a great fighter and HOF’er. However, let’s really delve into his career–the career that substantiates his greatness. Early career fights against Toney and Bhop, with no rematches during that time period, he picked the Heavyweight that he knew he could clinic in Ruiz, beats an old Body Snatcher (McCullum), and he beat Trinadad. My feelings on RJJ are that he could have provided the sport of boxing with much more: he certainly had the skill and ability.Posted May 24, 2014 11:33 am
The Pinoy Pikey
You hit the nail on the head regarding the Calzaghe vs Lacy fight. I absolutely remember the attitude/sentiment during that fight: JC was supposed default to being psyched-out and fold due to Lacy being a Black American…LOL. And, Lacy, certainly seemed to feed into that as well. I remember thinking that not all white people around the world KNOW that they are supposed to be afraid of Black Americans…again, LOL. White Americans have created this fear sensation that we all have to endure here in the States. Unfortunately, Lacy forgot to bring his fight plan with him when he faced Joe Calzaghe–boy, what a clinic that was…Posted May 24, 2014 11:15 am
pu$$y ?Posted May 24, 2014 10:32 am
beans and bacon
f~k of MarkPosted May 24, 2014 9:45 am
Ha ha the Calzaghe hate makes me laugh. Appartenly Hopkins was well past his best when he fought Joe. Yet in his last two fights he had beat Tarver (the linear light heavyweight champ) and the very tough Winky Wright. But he must have aged seriously the night before the Calzaghe fight then? Well not really since he went onto beat the likes of Pavlik, Pascal, and Cloud and grab two version of the light heavy weight crown! Talking about Pavlik I seem to remember most Calzaghe haters piping up big time about Calzaghe being a coward for refusing to fight Pavlik. People were hyping Pavlik up big time on the back of him destroying the Linear middleweight champ Taylor, which at that point in his career was far more impressive than anything GGG has done yet I may add. But Hopkins completely dominated Pavlik and shown the public he still had what it took to beat the best fighters out there. He just could be the best, Joe Calzaghe.Posted May 24, 2014 9:21 am
@Mark – Total rubbish..Which great American Super Middles were there who Calzaghe ducked between 1997 and 2008 ???????…..hmmm? whooo??? None! Now sod off and enjoy your haat daag an fiiies yankee doodle mongrel! lolPosted May 24, 2014 8:55 am
@Mark – Total rubbish..Which great American Super Middles were there who Calzaghe ducked between 1997 and 2008 ???????…..hmmm? whooo??? None! Now sod off and enjoy your haat daag an fiiies yankee doodle mongrel! lolPosted May 24, 2014 8:36 am
Truly Amazing revisionism here by Calzaghe Haters. Calzaghe was a natural Super Middle when he fought Lacy, a fighter whom the parochial inward looking Yanks assumed would beat Calzaghe just because he was a black American. Glen Johnson couldnt get near Calzaghe at Super Middle, on account of MULTIPLE LOSSES, including to Omar Shieka, who Calzaghe easily beat up just after he beat the slow Johnson, not to mention Light Heavy losses to Woods and Gonzalez. Clinton Woods was another slow Light Heavy, a man who had LOST to David Starrie whom Calzaghe again easily beat. As for Hopkins, Calzaghe tried to get Hopkins in the ring multiple times when he was Middleweight Champ, Hopkins DUCKED out repeatedly. Instead, Calzaghe had to move UP in weight to fight a by now much more naturally bigger man, in his own back yard, with American judges and ref…and BEAT HIM! And as for Hopkins being ”past it” or ”shot” – Hopkins had his best career wins just prior to and since Calzaghe beat him, proving the Lie that Calzaghe beat a faded and shot old man. Calzaghe beat top level Robin Reid with a broken hand and influenza. Kessler was in his prime against an ageing Calzaghe, and lost a clear, undisputed UD, he did not deserve a rematch. Calzaghe was a similar age to RJJ when he beat him.Posted May 24, 2014 8:32 am
Amazing revisionism here by Calzaghe Haters. Calzaghe was a natural Super Middle when he fought Lacy, a fighter whom the parochial inward looking Yanks assumed would beat Calzaghe just because he was a black American. Glen Johnson couldnt get near Calzaghe at Super Middle, on account of MULTIPLE LOSSES, including to Omar Shieka, who Calzaghe easily beat up just after he beat the slow Johnson, not to mention Light Heavy losses to Woods and Gonzalez. Clinton Woods was another slow Light Heavy, a man who had LOST to David Starrie whom Calzaghe again easily beat. As for Hopkins, Calzaghe tried to get Hopkins in the ring multiple times when he was Middleweight Champ, Hopkins DUCKED out repeatedly. Instead, Calzaghe had to move UP in weight to fight a by now much more naturally bigger man, in his own back yard, with American judges and ref…and BEAT HIM! And as for Hopkins being ”past it” or ”shot” – Hopkins had his best career wins just prior to and since Calzaghe beat him, proving the Lie that Calzaghe beat a faded and shot old man. Calzaghe beat top level Robin Reid with a broken hand and influenza. Kessler was in his prime against an ageing Calzaghe, and lost a clear, undisputed UD, he did not deserve a rematch. Calzaghe was a similar age to RJJ when he beat him.Posted May 24, 2014 8:31 am
Listen up BOY
@Anonymous punk,let the men educate you BOYPosted May 24, 2014 8:24 am
Makes me laugh when people say calslappy fought 2 old men in his last 2 fight. People forget that Joe was no spring chicken, and whilst he hung up his gloves those 2 old men kept on fighting for YEARS and most of Hopkins career best wins came AFTER his fight with JoePosted May 24, 2014 7:53 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Unfortunatlly the Brighton braggot 2 hasn’t even fought for the Southern area title yet, let alown English, British, EBU & Commonwealth. Mark Heffron & B.J.Saunders would both see him off pretty quick smart! How come he’s not fought in the USA yet?Posted May 24, 2014 7:12 am
2 x Rounds is a bit harshPosted May 24, 2014 5:24 am
A prime Roy Jones Jr would ha e totally destroyed calzaghe. It would have been over in about 2 rounds. Like a lot of our British fighters a while back they hung onto the crappy wbo belt for years fighting nobody’s. Chris Eubank done the same. More than 90% of their careers are again bums who nobody heard of.Posted May 24, 2014 5:02 am
With the injury I felt Eubank carried from fight one
Carl done the business
But the winnings paid for the whole weekend with a few squid to spare
Joe pulled out of 2 proposed bouts with Glen Johnson directly before he faced and beat that oaf Jeff Lacy.
Tony TT Galento says:
Tark..Calzaghe wasnt ”very hittable”, in fact the guy was damn hard to hit with any consistency in his prime. And when he did get hit, he had a great chin. Calzaghe woula beat Ward, Froch, Groves, GGG etc easy.
Joe Calzaghe was EXTREMELY HITTABLE vs Robin Reid (a fight he knows he LOST) to big right hands all night long and to Mikkel Kessler (again to big right hands)… Calzaghe landed a body punch that took the wind out of Kessler’s sails around round 8 and it wasn’t until the last couple of rounds that Kessler came back with massive shots that had Joe’s head lallooping like a weather balloon in a force 9 gale! Joe refused to give either fighter a deserved rematch.
Tony TT Galento
Tark – Total Crap! Glen Johnson LOST his chance to Fight JC when he got beat by Shieka, who then got whupped by Calzaghe, Hell he couldnt beat Clinton Woods or Syd Vanderpoul! Froch was a no name with no major wins when JC retired, so was Dawson. Hell Dawson was a powder puff puncher with a poor workrate. Tarver was worse than BHOP, BHOP wasnt shot, hes had some of his best wins SINCE getting owned by JC. Ward is another powder puff puncher, he aint that fast, he doesnt have great workrate or punch output, hes not very mobile and he gasses late. JC was way faster, threw way too many shots, was way more mobile, had way better stamina = would whip Ward EASYPosted May 24, 2014 4:11 am
Tony TT Galento
Tark..Calzaghe wasnt ”very hittable”, in fact the guy was damn hard to hit with any consistency in his prime. And when he did get hit, he had a great chin. Calzaghe woula beat Ward, Froch, Groves, GGG etc easy.Posted May 24, 2014 4:04 am
Tark , I disagree with you totally about Calzaghe ….I see all kinds of criticism you tried to write about him that don’t hold any water , Kessler did hit him but what happened ? Nothing … Calzaghe beat Kessler at his peek , undefeated and while himself was at the end of his carriere. , he beat Hopkins years ago and Hopkins is still the light hw champ today … Fact is Calzaghe beat everyone that was put in front of him , now we don’t know if he would beat ggg but you can’t downplay Calzaghe ‘s accomplishment just because you think he can’t beat ggg ! Let’s get real herePosted May 24, 2014 3:11 am
Hey tark, listen to pink Floyd and leave them kids alone. You dirty old grufterPosted May 24, 2014 1:47 am
Britain will soon own mw,sms and hw. Get used to itPosted May 24, 2014 1:46 am
TARK is funny. He’s a retard with a keyboardPosted May 24, 2014 1:43 am
Can’t see it at all.
GGG has never fought a fighter even close to Calzaghe.
Anyway, he’s a middleweight, yet somehow he beats up great super middleweight.Posted May 23, 2014 6:51 pm
Anonymous.., “GGG vs Joe Calzaghe.
Was Calzaghe a boxer? HELL NO. He was a brawler.
He never fought a great puncher like GGG in his life.. Calzaghe walked straight in and took shots.. Byron Mitchell decked JC with a shot that any really good boxer doesn’t get nailed with.. Kessler hit Calzaghe with terrific shots that Mikkel could never hit Andre Ward in the ass with. Even with only 20 fights Ward was a superb boxer.
As for Hopkins and Jones … JC fought them after they were beaten a bunch of times and way past their best.
You noticed JC never fought Froch, Dawson, Tarver, or Johnson when they were going really good … and were busy calling Joe out.. NOooooooooo.
GGG’s straight, accurate shots would have murdered this wide open target. The worst possible style matchup for JC would be GGG. Calzaghe wouldn’t have a prayer.Posted May 23, 2014 6:07 pm
pass the mustard
F~K OF AnonymousPosted May 23, 2014 5:02 pm
Eggs and bacon,sunny side up
BOOM BOOMS A BUM BUMPosted May 23, 2014 4:58 pm
Senior is only trying to create some buzz for Junior.
Right. If they didn’t say something crazy this article would get 5 commentsPosted May 23, 2014 4:17 pm
Eubank is only saying his kid is the best, and so much better than he ever was, to get the hype out. It’s the old ballyhoo bs. What are they going to write in any story about Chris Eubank? About somebody who this kid has beaten?
This is something they invented to rile the feathers of everybody
Give the kid time. The kid has only 15 fights, an amateurPosted May 23, 2014 4:13 pm
Delusional. He has fought no one. Why not take on Ryder/Saunders etc instead of the diet of eastern European punch bags,Posted May 23, 2014 3:20 pm
xXx says.., “Eubank Sr was one hell of a tough nut with a granite chin. His weakness was lack of stamina and conditioning. Jr may well be the better athlete, and seems to possess better stamina, but he has yet to show how tough and strong he is…”
I’m just going by the overall impression I get when I watch Chris Eubank Jr fight. He looks bigger, taller, stronger, and seems to defend better and punch harder than his father did at the same stage. He’s definitely quicker. Whether he’s going to achieve as much as Chris Sr achieved one cannot say. We don’t know how much dedication and determination he’s going to put in to his career — and his jab needs years of work to say the least.
But I saw a lot of Eubank Sr’s fights. I saw him fight the very hittable Calzaghe and Collins. Eubank Sr. couldn’t stop most of his opponents … and I think Junior will stop most of his.
You have to make intuitive judgments about fighters when they have 15 fights. I don’t see any problems that aren’t fixable — like I see with Groves, Ryder, Saunders, Macklin, and some other UK middleweights that are out there. I don’t see who’s going to beat Eubank. Maybe this new kid Ogogo, who is very green. AO seems to have some raw ability. But we won’t see Eubank-Ogogo for 3 years or so.Posted May 23, 2014 3:14 pm
Wasn’t Eubank on drugs awhile back? Sounds like he’s back to snorting rails.Posted May 23, 2014 1:40 pm
When he has been tested we will see ….too bold a statement to make at this time.Posted May 23, 2014 12:40 pm
That’s a helluva statement to make….”He is stronger and tougher than his father was and a better athlete” and you can make this profound observation on 15 fights and rack it up against his dads record……Posted May 23, 2014 12:11 pm
WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME I’M POSTING TO FASTPosted May 23, 2014 12:05 pm
The Pinoy Pikey
Roman & Gary,
Steve Collins is absolutely a fighter that is overlooked. There are several U.K. fighters that are continuously overlooked by HOF scribes: Eubank, Benn, Thompson and Collins. And, I’m sure if Calzaghe had not gained victories over American fighters, Lacy, Hopkins and RJJ, he would have been overlooked. BTW, The Celtic Warrior, was my neighbor in the Savin Hill section of Dorchester MA while he trained at the Petronelli’s in the late 1980′s. He lived in triple decker on Savin Hill Ave. I didn’t know him personally, only to say hello champ as I walked by him: I believe he was the Irish Middleweight champ at that time–pre McCullum at the Hynes Auditorium.Posted May 23, 2014 11:53 am
roman, you have not offended me. you are entitled your opinon. mine is that as eubank had been where he was for some period of time, also signed a 10 fight deal which in my view placed a lot of pressure on him. my view is collins was in the rightplace and time. i do not take anything from him he was a warrior, but and this is only a personal view, was not as talented as eubank/benn. maybe i have rose tinted specticles, we are all guilty of that at times, im no different, collins came to the party as it was going flat. i know that the punch which sent eubank to the canvas from calzaghe was flush and hard, he showed his heart and completed 12 rounds, but the new guard was coming and that was his time. calzaghe was in my view the greatest super middle weight, and would have happened anyway. the fight at cruiserweight with carl thompson was a war a great fight, showed just how resistant he was, from a man who knocked out david haye. butis best days were gone.
He’s a bumPosted May 23, 2014 11:44 am
gary, are you addressing my post? If so, sorry if I offended you by giving Steve Collins some credit. The man gets overlooked! We all have our favourites in one way or another, right? Collins based himself in America for three or four years. Eubank had some early bouts there too, I believe. Pal, I always know my history! Collins was the ‘away’ fighter in most of his earlier title shots like v Reggie Johnson, Sumbu Kalambay. Collins wasn’t just an addition to the Eubank/Benn era at all, they weren’t better boxers than Steve either and that’s my opinion. If you could take Benn’s power, you could beat him as Michael Watson and Eubank himself proved. Collins beat Eubank twice who still had plenty left. Ask Joe Calzaghe and Carl Thompson!Posted May 23, 2014 11:23 am
the comment about steve collins going to america and working his way to a title shot.
Boxing Barlow, the rematch was close, but at the end of the day, it was Collins 2 Eubank 0. :) Eubank received some close ones anyway!Posted May 23, 2014 10:16 am
Wow. Great to know so many Eubanks fans out there. The monocle wearing truck driving cane waving eccentric superstar. “A bit of parliamentary procedure, please”.Posted May 23, 2014 8:55 am
Roman – Hmm good point. Maybe he could have outboxed Benn. Eubank on the other hand, the pre Watson 2 anyhow, would have beaten Collins. I actaully gave the second Eubank Collins fight, whcih was a split decision to Eubank.Posted May 23, 2014 8:53 am
@BoxingBarlow Collins made his own breaks. He went to America. He’d always have beaten Nigel Benn in my opinion. After all, Watson did too.Posted May 23, 2014 8:37 am
If he thinks he is so good why don’t he fight Billy Joe Saunders who keeps calling him out that is a step up from who he has been fighting at the momentPosted May 23, 2014 7:55 am
Eubank Jr. may very well be the real thing. Like his father, he is a wonderful talent. If, indeed, he can beat top men right now, then why not get on with it? He doesn’t need to be knocking over grade B and C opponents on undercards. It is time to move up to top ten or even top twenty opponents.
Roman – Your right, Collins was a class act. But you talk about getting the breaks. I feel he got the breaks in terms of catching both Eubank and Benn at the right time. Eubank and Benn were probably 5 years past their peaks by the time Collins got to them. I feel back around 91/92 both fighter would have bettered Collins in a similar fashion to hwat McCallum did.Posted May 23, 2014 7:39 am
Steve Collins doesn’t get the credit he deserves either. Went to America and worked his way up to a title shot out of the Petronelli gym, took on Mike ‘The Bodysnatcher’ McCallum after something like 14 fights, gave him a pretty good fight, went to Italy to take on Sumbu Kalambay…then started to get the breaks once he beat Pyatt and beat both Eubank and Benn each twice!!Posted May 23, 2014 7:10 am
I don’t know why people are complaining about Slater’s spelling. Read the article more closely… It was Eubank Snr. who made the unchatergorcal statement; Slater is merely quoting him…Posted May 23, 2014 6:59 am
Henry miller – I agree. Eubank never gets the credit he deserved for that fight due to its tragic outcome. However I beleive it to be the best come back I have ever seen in a boxing ring.Posted May 23, 2014 6:33 am
Eubank is a legend. He knew how to hype himself and he knows how to hype his son, and this is no bad thing in term so of bringing interest into the sport.
With regards to those saying GGG would have knocked Chris Snr out in his prime I suggest you go and watch some YouTube videos of his fights. Eubank Snr had the best chin I have ever seen in boxing. He may have gone down once or twice but in these knock downs he was just knocked off balance, was never hurt and just got straight back to his feet. If you really want to see how good his chin was watch when he stepped up two weight division to cruiser weight and took clean shots from Carl Thompson (the very same Carl Thompson who Knocked out David Haye). Eubank had no place fighting up in the cruiser division standing at just 5’10, but he ate up everything the natural at the weight 14st (got knows what he was on fight night) threw at him. So in my book even the ‘kicks like a mule’ GGG would have been able to KO Snr.
Now with regard to Jnr I’m caught between two camps. His hand speed is something special. His foot work is good and will only get better. The fact that we seen him look so impressive against Froch in sparring and how Adam Booth who I respect big time talked him up so much is evidence of his potential. My serious concern is what I view currently as a lack of power. I seen a interview with James DeGale recently who also pointed out that if he was struggling to get journey men out of there so how will he fare against fighter with better defenses and a better chin? This does concern me greatly as to a certain extend I think whilst you can work on power it is somewhat a god given gift. Only time will tell but either way he is a colourful character and having his dad around the sport on a regular basis can only be a good thing for boxing.Posted May 23, 2014 6:31 am
Eubanks Watson 2 was an absolute cracker. Eubanks was literally finished and drew on some boundless intestinal fortitude to pull out the tko. It was a dramatic and ultimately tragic fight. Neither the same again. I remember Eubanks straight after the fight demanding Watson be tested for peds he was so strong. That line of investigation was never mentioned ever again once the damage to Watson was apparent. Eubanks jump In uppercut to finish the fight was one of the most brutal and awesome things I’ve seen. Those who say Eubanks was not tough need to watch that fight again .Posted May 23, 2014 6:15 am
If Jnr was the monster his Dad thinks he is he’d have blowing all his competition out of the water but he hasn’t. I’ve watched most of his fights and I’ve seen him struggle and look very mediocre with domestic journeymen. When you look at the early careers of Hamed, Calzaghe and Hatton they were KO’ing people left, right and centre on their way through and were clearly destined for fighting at world level. Eubank Jnr has struggled to impress at even domestic level. I don’t doubt he’s a “prospect” but there are many fighters in various weight divisions that thrash him right now!!Posted May 23, 2014 4:58 am
The fight I would have paid top dollar for would be GGG vs Joe Calzaghe.
Agree with a few posters on here, GGG would KO junior in a great fight, but not senior. Senior at his prime would have beaten GGG, maybe not KO, but defo on pointsPosted May 23, 2014 4:34 am
look on youtube and hear billy jo saunders talking about eubank jr ducking him and how he reckon eubank is absalute rubbish.. keep dreaming chris just keep him away from real dangerPosted May 23, 2014 4:06 am
There is nothing wrong in a father having faith in his son.Posted May 23, 2014 3:55 am
@bum fluff is that it you cock sucker go back to soccerPosted May 23, 2014 3:18 am
lolPosted May 23, 2014 3:16 am
Monkey face eubank.with his big spread nose needs to keep quite.Posted May 23, 2014 3:10 am
@anonymoose Eubank sr was a monster at 168 gig would lose Badley ggg is not the killer you think he is Nigel ben KOs ggg toney, jones, Watson, Collins Barkley the list goes on he will be exposedPosted May 23, 2014 2:54 am
TARK, how can you say Jr is ‘tougher and stronger than his father was?’ What do you base that statement on? In 15 fights Jr’s not been tested yet.
Eubank Sr was one hell of a tough nut with a granite chin. His weakness was lack of stamina and conditioning. Jr may well be the better athlete, and seems to possess better stamina, but he has yet to show how tough and strong he is.Posted May 23, 2014 2:45 am
Eubank Sr was better than his son is at present, and i’d favour a prime Eubank over any current Middle or Super Middle; he was incredibly strong, had great power, a great chin and a very awkward style.Posted May 23, 2014 2:27 am
I am afraid he would not knock senior out cold
It was titanium . .Posted May 23, 2014 2:06 am
Golovkin would knock Eubank Jr. out cold and he would have knocked out Eubank, Sr. out cold………..Posted May 23, 2014 1:53 am
Never seen him fight. But as far as GGG is concerned nobody is beating him at 160Posted May 23, 2014 1:44 am
NOBODY can stop GGG right now. Nobody. The only thing that can harm him is if he moves up to another weight too early.Posted May 23, 2014 1:34 am
Everyone who knows senior knows what he’s up to. Great marketer. Will get his sons name out there. Senior was a performer too. Juniors time will come. Of course senior knows his son is not ready for ggg, but is getting us ready for his son.Posted May 23, 2014 1:27 am
chip of the old ..love it you goy to have confidence in this game his old man was a classic one of u.k very good ones ..good luck jr ..should be funPosted May 23, 2014 12:50 am
Eubanks needs to fight somebody before he’s even mentioned in the conversation as Golovkin.Posted May 23, 2014 12:24 am
This is hilarious: Black guy says somethng metaphysically dimwhited. People then praise Black guy for being clever like the good little neutered, preprogrammed. little sheep they are.Posted May 22, 2014 11:29 pm
Eubank would not beat Golovkin. He’d get crushed like a grape. Eubank may be the best in the UK, but needs to prove that versus Ryder Saunders, Macklin, and Murray. The boys Chris has fought thus far are terrible. He has to step up the comp drastically. I favor him over Ryder, Saunders, and Macklin because his defense and firepower are way better. He also does real well sparring Groves.
Chris defends better than any UK middleweight but his jab sucks. He waits all day and just throws power shots. He’s far from an all-around fighter at this point. He’s better than Chris Sr—his dad is correct about that. He’s stronger and tougher than his father was and a better athlete. But he’s not the best middleweight in the world right now… His dad is in Zu Zu Land with that BS.Posted May 22, 2014 11:08 pm
Great sales tactic!
unchatergorcally? Do you have any idea what a spell-checker is? I’d say you need a few more rounds of remedial English before you try writing any more articles for a wider audience. This is laughable.Posted May 22, 2014 10:47 pm
Eubanks needs to mellow out mcgirt was all bold about his sons future and look where that wentPosted May 22, 2014 10:26 pm
Chris Eubanks jr would be no match for the prime version of his old man,he has the skills,but he lacks the destructive power Sr carried and i doubt he has a remarkable chin like his father had,but he certainly looks a tasty prospectPosted May 22, 2014 10:13 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
This kid is still very inexperienced. He’s had 15 pro fights, and as far as I know, had less than 15 amateur fights. He’s probably had about 25 bouts in his entire life and his sh*t talkin’ dad thinks he’s ready to go beat 3G…LMFAO!
3G has had a total of 379 fights (pro & amateur) and has NEVER once touched the canvas. Can you say, Iron Chin??? Combine that with rocket power in both hands, amazing all- around technique, and a 90% KO ratio. 3G is simply one of the greatest amateur boxers in history and has made a very successful transition into the pros.
Chavez Jr. just ducked 3G at 168lbs; Maravilla has been ducking him for almost 3.5 years; Chocolate refuses to fight him; FMJ won’t even mention his name and pretends he doesn’t exist. The best fighters in the world are scared sh*tless of his guy — and for good reason. And that’s why he’s been having a tremendously difficult time getting signed contracts with big name fighters. No one wants to fight 3G.
I have no problem if Eubank Sr. wants to throw his greenhorn son into the lion’s den. 3G is in desperate need of opponents with name recognition who are willing to fight him. I’m all for it! Put your money where your mouth is Chris Eubank Jr.! Call Team GGG, request a fight, and make them a reasonable offer. 3G will need another good tune-up fight a few months after he beats the stuffing outta Daniele Geale in July.Posted May 22, 2014 9:07 pm
Problem with Jnr, he lacks any real power with either hand although he can throw with both.Posted May 22, 2014 9:05 pm
Calm down Christopher Livingstone . .
Sorry but I don’t take it TOO seriously when a Dad touts his own SON. I need to hear an OUTSIDER tout him.Posted May 22, 2014 8:24 pm
That’s my Boy!!.
Good to see Chris is full of support for junior, but this is a load of ole tosh.
At 15-0, Junior should be fighting some higher caliber opponents for a start.Posted May 22, 2014 8:00 pm
right on. go ahead and lobby for that golovkin fight. he has trouble finding opponents. sparring and fighting killers is two different things.Posted May 22, 2014 7:52 pm
Plz put the sheep in there…It’ll be great TV.Posted May 22, 2014 6:38 pm
Mr Slater, you are a subpar boxing journalist at the best of times. When you fail to proofread your tripe, you look even worse. “Eubnak”. “Golvkin”. “Unchatergorcally”? Sigh.Posted May 22, 2014 6:11 pm
the old man must not like his son a whole lot! golovkin would destroy jr. reminds me of joe frazier putting marvis in with holmes.Posted May 22, 2014 5:32 pm
I guess there’s nothing as blinding as a parent’s love.Posted May 22, 2014 5:14 pm
now thats what i call marketing! i saw eubank sr box when de fending WBO SM title against sugar boy malinga, when saw the opening titleof this story i was thinking too many shots taken to the head! then remembered how good he was at selling himself, still not lost it. in his career stated boxing was a mugs game, boxing world was staggered, but he called his own tune and made good money. good marketing.
Nice young talent, but triple g will slaughter this kid right now! Please don’t do it!Posted May 22, 2014 4:19 pm
Just hyperbole and at this stage of their careers, GGG would brutalize Eubank jr. Always liked Chris Eubank Senior, but he’s more nutty than the nuttiest nut in Nutsville!Posted May 22, 2014 4:15 pm
No ways . . . Slater sucked us in.Posted May 22, 2014 4:13 pm
Listen up BOY
Anonymous.come back when you can tell the difference between a gum shield and a jock strap.FOOLPosted May 22, 2014 4:08 pm
Over the years I heard this talk many times over. Dont associate world class fighters with a prospect. Even if you really believe Jr can beat “GGG right now” the truth is he is unknown and has no name within the four walls. Do what GGG has done and you will be in line for a shot – but later, not sooner. Get a good PR rep and work hard – and do the calling out when people will take you seriously.Posted May 22, 2014 3:56 pm
I enjoy reading your commentsPosted May 22, 2014 3:54 pm
GGG would beat Eubank jr all day long.He needs to stop fighting like his father and found his own style,because he is imitating his father.I have seen him fight live a few times and he can be boring sometimes and I don’t think he will be as good as his daddy.Posted May 22, 2014 3:46 pm
Eubank knows how to play the game. he did a great job with it when he was active.
Golovkin would hammer Eubank Jr. It wouldn’t last two rounds.Posted May 22, 2014 3:26 pm
Eubank jr is extremely talented and as well as hand speed, he is now beginning to develop power as he matures. Whether he makes it or not remains to be seen but he has a fantastic opportunity and that cannot be denied. He is also doing everything right in terms of progression. Let him keep fighting low risk opponents at 15-0, that is exactly how boxers steadily progress properly. Look at this version of wlad and the work and many, many learning fights he put in against low risk opponents before he honed his game enough to challenge for a world title. It is no coincidence that he is a highly polished fighter. Eubank jr also has high quality sparring to learn from and that can count for a huge amount. Clearly his dad is all bluster and ggg would clearly ko him but if he carries on fighting 5-6 fights a year and gradually improves the level of opponent he has a chance to surpass ggg in time.Posted May 22, 2014 3:23 pm
Eubank Sr. was good back in da day BUT he most definitely must have taken ONE shot 2 many to make such a statementPosted May 22, 2014 3:23 pm
Give him a monumental step up first (like a Kerry Hope) and then maybe people won’t laugh in your face Chris.Posted May 22, 2014 3:08 pm
lolololPosted May 22, 2014 2:57 pm
or he gets KTFO which is most likely.Posted May 22, 2014 2:56 pm