This from Squared Circle, “who’s more likely to focus on sports, music and less likely to attend business, math, science and IT courses at a local community college. But whose fault it that? Who you gonna blame for that???”
I’m not blaming anyone. It’s a different focus. Different strokes for different folks. Are you a bad guy because you love to play basketball or write music? Especially if that seems to be the best opportunity given your lack of access to community college, and not having decent text books in high school, or needing to work after school so your parents can make ends meet. Maybe your number one value is doing what makes you happy rather than what makes you rich.
You’re in the blame game. I’m in the solutions game.Posted May 30, 2014 10:36 pm
Stiverne will probably entertain a tune up fight before Wilder. King will exploit the time period involved before a mandatory is to be enacted and milk it to the maximum. Wlad is out of the picture for a year and a half.Posted May 29, 2014 9:54 am
Will Wilder step up and take his mandatory shot is the better question.Posted May 29, 2014 5:49 am
I like “Reality”. wlad-pulev 2014Posted May 29, 2014 5:48 am
The Wlad and Pulev fight is already scheduled, and Stiverne must fight his mandatory, Wilder, period!!Posted May 29, 2014 4:28 am
Squared Circle, you’re right. Everyone suffers from racism. But it’s fair to say that Anglos have suffered the least from racism and Blacks the most.
Just as men suffer from sexism, but hardly to the extent women do.
As for Asian culture, much like Jewish culture, there’s an emphasis on education and sacrifice to get ahead. There’s an emphasis on being a doctor, lawyer, businessman, manager, corporate executive, scientist, engineer, or any prestigious and well paying career. There’s a lighter emphasis on money and success in most other cultures. More black kids play basketball than play hockey. More get involved with music and sports than evening business courses at the local community college. Often they don’t have one.
I do notice that the Asian argument is something white racists often trot out. People aren’t talking about being held down or who’s doing better. That’s not the point. It’s about equal treatment, access, and opportunity. Who gives a damn is someone gets rich despite obstacles? The obstacles still need removal.
There’s individual responsibility and societal responsibility. There’re sins of commission, and sins of omission. Some could care less about the broader community.Posted May 29, 2014 1:03 am
Catching up on some posts below: one thing stands out: D you are a completely ignorant D-head!Posted May 29, 2014 1:01 am
There is only one thing that’s history if this fight ever takes place. Stiverne. Oh, And given that Pulev is mandatory it is likely the September date will hold…..but, IMHO, Frankly, Pulev hasn’t the necessary tools, skills and experience to beat Klitchko. But I’m sure the winner of the mythical Pacman-mayweather fight would!Posted May 29, 2014 12:28 am
for the sake of getting the fraudulent stiverne out of there so pulev and wlad can fight for all the belts. do it.Posted May 28, 2014 10:35 pm
Get Stiverne in the ring first Wlad. KO Stiverne, and make history. Then, KO Pulev. Neither Pulev nor Stiverne stand any real chance (outside a punchers chance) of beating brother Wlad. tTherfor, Wlad should make history in route to beating both.Posted May 28, 2014 9:20 pm
you lot should be on day time tv.Posted May 28, 2014 8:38 pm
Race doesn’t matter to you Larry.
It matters to a lot of people who don’t want black people to vote, to live in their neighborhood, to get elected president, to be their boss, to marry their daughter, to be well represented in congress, or to even be free to dine, drive, shop, live, work, or stay where they please.
So therefore we still live in a very race conscious society. And it will be that way for at least another generation.Posted May 28, 2014 8:19 pm
I’d prefer an immediate unification fight but it sounds like Wlad must fight Pulev and Stiverne has to defend against Wilder first. Regardless of the order, these are all banging fights so as long as they all fight each other I have no gripes.Posted May 28, 2014 8:07 pm
Race—-doesn’t——matterPosted May 28, 2014 7:50 pm
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZPosted May 28, 2014 7:25 pm
People are grouped by race, nationality, religion, ethnicity, gender, age, or whatever.. Nothing wrong with it.. and no reason to tip toe around it.
If a guy wins a title… or the White House… or makes four-star general… you can generally look at him and tell if he’s black, or white, or another race. You don’t examine his family tree back 5,000 years and say, “OK, we think he’s only 43% black… therefore he’s not really black.”
Ward looks black so he’s considered black. Shade and percentage are immaterial.Posted May 28, 2014 7:03 pm
Well in fact its wrong talking about races, its just genetic variations. Ward is at least 50-50 black and white if his mom is 100% african.Posted May 28, 2014 6:14 pm
ward is black dickhead. so is obama though his mom was white
they’re not as dark as some blacks. it’s a race not a shade, pin-brainPosted May 28, 2014 5:42 pm
Right.Posted May 28, 2014 4:53 pm
Turbo-Hamster laughing at the cane toads
Andre Ward is not black.
His dad was white, and was a boxer, so Ward is mixed race.Posted May 28, 2014 4:49 pm
Turbo-Hamster laughing at the cane toads
That is the only way the USA is getting a HW champ – if Wlad and Haydens baby fights for the Septics instead of Ukraine.Posted May 28, 2014 4:48 pm
breaking news LOL
theres a baby on the way hayden is pregnant! that MFER has a very young beautiful blonde girlfriend im jealous lol lol lolPosted May 28, 2014 4:07 pm
Wilder versus Thompson is a dud fight…
Thompson is super easy to hit with big long right hands. Even Price had TT down. If Price had 5 more fights he would have finished Thompson off. Wlad ripped TT out with rights… twice.
Wilder has one of the biggest, hardest, longest, fastest, and sharpest right hands in Boxing… He wins easy.Posted May 28, 2014 3:42 pm
Thompson would outlast Wilder’s rush. Wilder would have fight on his hands. It would be interesting to see. Thompson beats Wilder by KO.Posted May 28, 2014 3:30 pm
Pulev-wlad 2014 or take the IBF away.Posted May 28, 2014 3:29 pm
do they still do drug testing in russia.Posted May 28, 2014 3:21 pm
KL…, If I was refereeing the Fury-Cunningham fight I would have given Fury a 1-point deduction for a deliberate and flagrant foul and given Cunningham 5 minutes to recover. It was about the 5th bad foul Tyson committed. He was given warnings—that’s all. Fury had Cunningham pressed against the ropes and held his forearm over Steve’s eyes before he knocked him out.
Lennox Lewis was also a flagrant fouler. He held Michael Grant’s head stock still with his left as he applied the KO punch. If referees are going to let boxer’s win fights with flagrantly foul blows … we might as well just throw out the rule book.Posted May 28, 2014 2:54 pm
stiverne is just another walk in the park for klitschko.. the only real opposition around is wilder..and klitschko will avoid him for as long as possible..Posted May 28, 2014 2:53 pm
seann ph AZZ h0lePosted May 28, 2014 2:05 pm
“The Cunningham Vs Fury fight should be put into context. Cunningham is badly underrated and would beat most heavies out there right now, as he proved vs Mansour, who some people were calling a ”beast” and a genuine title contender, and vs Adamek, whom I felt he beat.” – Assyrian God
Whilst I agree Cunningham has decent skills and speed, it was size difference that won Fury that fight rather than his skills…….not to mention the illegal forearm that Fury used to hold Cunningham’s head in place,
…..Don King is avoiding Wladimir Klitschko like the swine flu.Posted May 28, 2014 12:39 pm
Wlad will have a tougher time with Pulev than Stiverne. Stiverne is a style just made for Wlad. Wlad will jab and knock his lights out. However Pulev is much bigger than Stiverne and has a long reach and jab that will touch Wlad. But over 12 rounds I think Wlad beats down Pulev and KO’s Stiverne.Posted May 28, 2014 12:38 pm
sean p h
Punch. Wladimir will destroy pulev easily.Posted May 28, 2014 12:29 pm
On another K-Bros note…………Vitali is now the Mayor of Kiev !!! Looks like his boxing days are over.Posted May 28, 2014 11:24 am
Wlad Stiverne og Wlad Pulev would both be great fights, so i dont care who he fight first.Posted May 28, 2014 9:30 am
Wow punch(drunk) hate can sure make you say some silly things.
Unification is personnel dream, mando diffence is a must, no if’s and but’ for WaldoPosted May 28, 2014 7:24 am
Yeah, the usual Boente crap of calling a guy out in public and then offering him about 20% of the purse and publicly denouncing him when he walks away from it. As any Klitschko opponent in a unification or mandatory will attest, they prefer to make exorbitant financial demands than make the actual fight. Povetkin was the only example of a challenger getting paid properly and thats because he refused to agree to K2 terms and let the fight go to purse bids.Posted May 28, 2014 7:04 am
Wlad v Pulev and Stiverne v Wilder with the winners to meet to unify all the belts, like mack said, is a good suggestion. Boente knows very well that Pulev deserves his shot and has been waiting a while. Wlad wants to get all the belts right now, but there are other people to consider. Unification could then easily happen over the next 12 months if allowed to, anyway. Of course, it is too sensible and straightforward for the boxing world to do and Don King might be in the way of it happening…If Wlad DOES happen to meet Stiverne next then great, because unification of ALL the belts quicker does makes sense too. So either fight, I’d be happy with. Wlad beats Pulev, Wlad beats Stiverne. Wlad-Wilder 2015 would be a massive fight! I think Wlad beats any of them anyway before he gets too old, which might happen. By the way, Lennox Lewis was THE man before, but he never held the WBO belt and all 4 major org. titles at the same time. This is where Wlad wants to make history. Of course, everyone still knew Lewis was THE Champ…like Wlad today.Posted May 28, 2014 6:15 am
Thanks Sean !
Grabimir ain’t getting that fight unless he’s ready to give up half of the purse which DK will request, DK doesn’t sell himself cheaply. Grabimir is obviously scared of Pulev if not he wouldn’t have passed him over to fight that guy from Australia whose name I don’t remember. Pulev would test Grabimir’s chin and he knows that, even though Pulev isn’t a hard puncher, he hits hard enough to smash that glass jaw.Posted May 28, 2014 4:37 am
oh, the mandatory argument is only good when its good wlad. wlad-pulev 2014! long overdue mandatory.Posted May 28, 2014 3:47 am
pulev-wlad 2014!Posted May 28, 2014 3:45 am
Dr. Long John
Mismatch!Posted May 28, 2014 3:36 am
As I’ve stated before, if Wlad wants something — he will get it…he wants that WBC belt. Wlad books the O2 World Arena in Hamburg only for special fights…Wlad vs Stiverne 06.09.2014Posted May 28, 2014 3:32 am
Dr. Long John
I’d rather see Pulev fight Jennings, WIlder, Furry, or Povetkin for a numer of reasons.Posted May 28, 2014 3:23 am
cobra forget itPosted May 28, 2014 3:16 am
The poster who said wladimir will not fight pulev
pulev is come for you vladimirPosted May 28, 2014 2:36 am
can’t deny the logic in boentes words.Posted May 28, 2014 2:36 am
BSPosted May 28, 2014 1:40 am
Glazkov is another guy I like for Wilder. He drew with Scott but he’ll go a whilePosted May 28, 2014 1:02 am
I don’t believe Thompson is the right fight for Wilder… That’s another one (1) round job and he’s had too many of those. He needs Stiverne, Jennings, Pulev, Fury, or Haye… Guaranteed he’ll get many rounds and very tough fights unless he smacks Fury on the chin as fast as he did Scott and Liackhovich.
That’s unlikely. He’ll have to work his ass off to get those guys out.Posted May 28, 2014 12:58 am
sean p h
Nicely put adrian. Kids on here talking like wlad is scard of pukev? Lmfao. It has taken wlad 9 years to unify wbo ibo ibf wba and ring title. Plus he just surpassed holmes 23 defenses.Posted May 28, 2014 12:34 am
As for wilder’s next fight to prove what he is made of and for the sake of his own experience in the ring he should fight either Thompson or steverne next if steverne is not fighting klitchko firstPosted May 28, 2014 12:18 am
To me it’s the same if klitchko fights pulev or steverne first because he will fight both anyway ….Posted May 28, 2014 12:16 am
I believe Kid Blast would tell you those aren’t his words… Those are my words.Posted May 28, 2014 12:09 am
Stiverne would give Wilder valuable rounds… something DW doesn’t have… and something he badly needs to consolidate his skills.
THESE ARE THE WORDS OF KID BLAST!!! TARK HAS IT FROM HIMPosted May 27, 2014 11:54 pm
sean patrick harrington
Rod whats up man? Stiverne is not all that slow and he has a good chin. But yeah wlad knocks his ass back to Canada or Haiti or wherever he is from.Posted May 27, 2014 11:39 pm
sean patrick harrington
got ya peej. Lewis is the main man!Posted May 27, 2014 11:35 pm
Well he is the mandatory for the WBC and they said that fight is next. So we should get to see Stivern against WilderPosted May 27, 2014 11:33 pm
Good comments Tark. wilder needs to fight either stiverne or thompson. He is nearly needs one good fight with someone who will test him. KOing everyone early is great but it will not work on everyone. He will end up like David Price if he faces wlad before at least one hard test.Posted May 27, 2014 11:28 pm
Wlad is clearly the champ and the best out there. Simply I am sick of him fighting guys like leapai, pianetta, mormeck and wach and hugging povetkin to death. Ok leapai was a mandatory but it is time to face pulev. He is much more skilled than most of wlads opponents. Wlad still has every advantage facing pulev. it needs to happen. Facing stiverne would be like watching wlad face yet another short slow guy. We have all seen this repeat 50 times over.Posted May 27, 2014 11:26 pm
I don’t remember if I even made a pick on the Canelo vs Angulo fight. If I picked Angulo it was based on his fight with Lara. But I always come on here and say if I am wrong on a pick. As for GGG and Kovalev I like both fighters. Wlad I do not like but you have to recognize what he has done. Just like I didn’t like Lewis but you have to recognize what he did.Posted May 27, 2014 11:25 pm
That’s what I want to see… But I don’t think Wladimir wants Wilder to gain the added experience that would come from fighting a guy like Stiverne before Wlad meets Deontay at age 39.
Stiverne would give Wilder valuable rounds… something DW doesn’t have… and something he badly needs to consolidate his skills.Posted May 27, 2014 11:23 pm
mack said it correct. Wlad vs pulev, stiverne vs wilder the two winners meet.Posted May 27, 2014 11:17 pm
PEEJ.., Picking Floyd and Ward every time only makes sense… But picking Angulo over Canelo??? That made no sense.
However, I think the difference between you and posters like B Red and Sredmond… They continuously go out of their way to knock Kovalev… Golovkin… Klitschko… and basically any white fighter out there.
Like Vivek’s well known hatred of Pacquiao… He picked Hatton… Mosley… Cotto… and Cheato to knock him out.Posted May 27, 2014 11:15 pm
Well there are a lot of folks that call me racist on here because I am always picking Floyd and Ward to win fights. I know Floyd is a punk. But I like his skills in the ring. I could care less what he does out side of the ring.Posted May 27, 2014 10:59 pm
sean p h
Ward is very good and fights everyone. Class act. Floyd is a bit of an ass.Posted May 27, 2014 10:54 pm
sean p h
Who is all of yall? Schremond and bears are the worst.Posted May 27, 2014 10:52 pm
I never say anything negative about any color. That is all yall. Most of yall think I am racist because I am a Mayweather and Ward fan. Think what yall want. It doesn’t bother me at all. Just shows a lot of you are racist when yall question me. I never bring up color. I could care less about color.Posted May 27, 2014 10:40 pm
Wlad vs Stiverne………..NEVER HAPPEN, because, the King is in the way man, DK is in the way. He is going to milk the WBC title for all it is worth. Wlad just better sign Pulev and get it over with.Posted May 27, 2014 10:38 pm
sean p h
Finally got something nice to say about caucasians peej
Nope can’t blame Klitchko for the current crop of heavies. And he basically has fought everybody. He is the greatest heavy of this generation that is for sure. Nobody can beat him right now. Not sure about Wilder, haven’t seen him tested. But he has KOd everybody he has faced. I am no fan of the Klitchko though you have to recognize nobody is beating themPosted May 27, 2014 9:34 pm
*skillSPosted May 27, 2014 9:06 pm
Jango — Your reasoning skill are subpar. Ya Leapai, Wach, and Pianetta hadn’t fought any better opposition but that’s not the point. The point is people are thinking Wladimir is ducking Pulev and using the unification as an excuse. Boente is pointing out this is ridiculous considering the competition. Nobody ever said that Wladimir was ducking Leapai, Wach, or Pianetta at any point so your point is null and void.Posted May 27, 2014 9:05 pm
Jango, who has Pulev fought? Thompson is his best scalp. Bonte was truthful.Posted May 27, 2014 8:53 pm
Wladimir would beat the crap out of PulevPosted May 27, 2014 8:16 pm
they should do their mandatories first.Posted May 27, 2014 8:06 pm
keep the hw circus rolling.Posted May 27, 2014 8:02 pm
There’s too many obstacles at the moment for Wladimir to focus so much on unifying. Like many others here, I think he should fight Pulev and then immediately zero in on whoever holds the belt when Stiverne and Wilder are finished.Posted May 27, 2014 7:58 pm
It’s really funny how people blame Klitcho for the lack of talent in the division. He fights whoever is next, it’s simple. Those same people complain about his style. It’s called boxing and he does it well. Only a fool or a lack of talent causes a fighter to lead with his face making it a very short career.Posted May 27, 2014 7:50 pm
Wilder ain’t nothing and after looking at the bums he’s fought, there aren’t many that I know or recognize. I purposely throw out Briggs name as an opponent for Wilder and I do it half jokingly but also, when you look at the list of bums Wilder has fought , most of them are bums ( again, I say MOST of them, NOT ALL ) aren’t anything in the sport Briggs or Arreola would bring it to him all night.. No, I’m NOT a Briggs fan … however a “BEEFED UP ” string of wins over mostly a bunch of bums then, why NOT ?? Arreola knows he’d be fighting for his boxing life and Briggs, although over the hill, still has some, again, I say some power left in him . Now in an earlier post, I said that the next heavyweight champ will come form Russia, I wasn’t referring to Klitsko but whomever is after him…. will be Russian …NO DOUBT ABOUT IT … Boxingdictioanry.com ..”The Language of the Ring “Posted May 27, 2014 7:45 pm
Stivern has to fight Wilder first. And all the titles were unified when Lewis was fighting and was champion but some of the titles got stripped.Posted May 27, 2014 7:23 pm
That guy is full of crap. “Pulev never fought anyone serious” – REALLY? So Wach, Pianetta and Leapai fought better opposition? Get the f*** out of here Boente. This is cherry picking of highest order and no more excuses could be made. Wlad needs to fight his mando or vacate.Posted May 27, 2014 6:39 pm
Lots of different opinions here. Personally I think Wlad can beat them both before years end, but I would like to see him fight Pulev first just to let the tension mount for the unification. Many of Americans are excited now that someone from this continent has a title, so let it steam for a little while when the $ and interest will be higher. Pulev has little or no chance, maybe he opens a cut or an injury occurs, that is about the only chance he has. Stiverne has a punchers chance, but little else. There is a good fight this weekend with Charr and Pov, see Pov winning that easily and showing really how much more class Wlad is then the rest of the division. Pov would have been the champ in many other eras.Posted May 27, 2014 6:34 pm
Vlad the Impaler
Povetkin beats Pulev, wilder, stiverne, and Arreola. He’ll get his rematch in two years and get knocked out the second time around.Posted May 27, 2014 6:20 pm
Assyrian God I don’t see Fury giving Wlad any problems at all…….. on numerous occasions we have seen Fury get tagged on the chin…….and I’m talking about fairly recent fight too.
Stiverne wins coz klit aint nuttin but a honkeyPosted May 27, 2014 5:16 pm
Stiverne is a plodding joke. Yes he hits real hard, but his sloth like fighting skills require fighters to all but put their chins out for Bermane to put their lights out. He’s rubbish and would lose easy to WladPosted May 27, 2014 5:02 pm
@Boxingdictionary, Another Russian? The Klits are UkranianPosted May 27, 2014 5:02 pm
boxingdictionary, everyone tends to forget that Wlad’s been KO’d 3 different times. He can still get beat.Posted May 27, 2014 4:39 pm
No one will beat Klitsko for along time and I am not yet a wilder fan. Let him fight someone who knows how to fight. I would enjoy seeing him fight Arreola or even Briggs as I feel that either one would give him a tuff time. Again, who has he fought. The next heavyweight champ will be another Russian for sure…Boxingdictionary .com “The Language of the Ring”Posted May 27, 2014 4:01 pm
@Yo Pulev is okay, but he ain’t THAT good! Most people knowledgeable about boxing would strongly disagree with you.
will it be in germany.Posted May 27, 2014 2:42 pm
yo, klitschko is not going to hand over the ibf belt. what would be the point losing the ibf belt just to get the wbc one. he not going to let himself get stripped. he’ll only go after stiverne if he get permission by all parties. and for the record klitschko beat pulev.Posted May 27, 2014 2:30 pm
Klischko vs Pulev and Stiverne vs Wilder. The winners then meet. If not, these sanctioning bodies start pulling titles and setting up more phony eliminators and more questinable champions. In these cases, the mandatories are good, intriguing matchups. The fans don’t lose anything waiting for Klitschko and Stiverne.Posted May 27, 2014 2:23 pm
Just get wlad to fight pulev. Let stiverne warm up with wilder or thompson or someone other than arreola. There is nothing historic about stiverne vs wlad.Posted May 27, 2014 2:22 pm
Another idiot.Posted May 27, 2014 2:11 pm
Another Boxing Fan
Klitschko, as soon as you finish with Pulev you will get Stiverne, but the thing is that you might not finish with Pulev if you step on the ring with him, right?!Posted May 27, 2014 2:09 pm
yo, you’re an idiot.Posted May 27, 2014 1:58 pm
I agree with Boente.
All that matters is what Wlad wants.
He desperately wants to avoid being KTFO by Pulev, and to pick up a stray title while avoiding Pulev.
So, do it, Wlad.
Throw your IBF belt in the trash, like your hero Bowe.
Squeal you aren’t afraid of Pulev, all while the yellow streak runs down your back.
As Larry would say, Stiverne can’t carry Pulev’s jockstrap.
No knowledgeable boxing fan is impressed by Stiverne.
In fact, many would bet on even Wilder to beat him.
Pulev is the mandatory, fight him, or hand over the belt.Posted May 27, 2014 1:43 pm
Yes, Pulev first. Nothing historically important in that fight as, IMHO, Wlad wins without undue concert. IF Stiverne still has the title after that fight then by all means a match with Wlad. The match-up would be historically important on for unification. Wouldn’t be a great fight nor particularly competitivePosted May 27, 2014 1:41 pm
I suggest Wilder vs Klitschko – only fight in heavyweight division!Posted May 27, 2014 1:38 pm
Mr. Boente, I suggest Pulev vs. Klitschko for boxing history!!!Posted May 27, 2014 1:12 pm