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Beatle

Just watched a re-run of Groves and Kenny Anderson. Groves got backed up, caught, buzzed heavily and floored by a novice, zombie-slow robot. He was totally gone, but the bell saved him. All Kenny did was walk him down behind a high guard, but Kenny couldn’t finish and got done by body shots.

Groves is chinny and will go down if tagged.

Posted May 30, 2014 9:18 am 


46-0

Calzaghe beat Hopkins, even with Hopkins cheating, Calzaghe was too good for him, end of.

Posted May 29, 2014 10:25 pm 


TARK

Antonio Tarver beat Clinton Woods like he was his daddy… Then Tarver called Calzaghe out for the upteenth time… Tarver said, “I beat your countryman, aren’t you going to try to make amends???”

Woods.., “Tarver is the best light heavyweight on the planet.”

Yeah. We all know Hopkins beat Tarver. AT had to lose 50 pounds after playing Heavyweight Champion in “Rocky XXXIII” … To help him lose the weight Buddy McGirt brought in an unknown conditioning coach who destroyed Tarver for that particular fight.

Posted May 29, 2014 8:53 pm 


Anonymous

NEWS FLASH
Woods rips odds, Hopkins!
IBF light heavyweight champion Clinton Woods has taken offense against the sportsbook who established as a 4:1 underdog to unified super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe, should that fight ever be made. “I’m not 4-1 against anyone, that just complete rubbish, and with all due respect to Joe’s great win, a lot of people believe he was beaten by Robin Reid and he was knocked down by Byron Mitchell and Karaby Salem. Again, with respect, I am a lot better that all three of them put together and I’ve been a light heavyweight for nearly a decade. I will be stronger and a harder puncher than anyone Joe has ever faced. It would be fantastic fight.” Woods also scoffed at the idea of a proposed fight between Calzaghe and 42-year-old former middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins. “Name me one exciting Bernard Hopkins fight, just one,” challenged Woods. “Exactly! The guy is a complete bore to watch, good as he is. He doesn’t bring any friends to the arena, much less any fans…let’s be honest, Hopkins is only interested in easy nights against undersized opponents or opponents he recognizes as being past their best and Joe is big and in his prime. Hopkins is on cruise and collect mode, he’s on a pension run. If the fight ever did happen, Hopkins would will try and pick-pocket his way to a close points win and we’ve seen Joe get dragged down into messy, scrappy fights by guys who come with avoiding getting hurt as their top priority. Who on Earth wants to see that?”
Monday, November 5 2007

Posted May 29, 2014 5:29 pm 


Rich

Tark…”.how can you be good if you punch someone on the floor.”.I’ve punched someone on the floor….mind you he was on top of my ex-wife………

Posted May 29, 2014 4:20 pm 


GOOSE EGGS

@HIT AND DOPE,F~K OF

Posted May 29, 2014 2:49 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“fenech nelson 1 a real classic.” – A good fight with historical ramifications. It marked the first big fight at the Mirage, which was a new swanky hotel down the stripe from Caesars. That casino’s involvement with boxing was short lived but for awhile they all competed for big matches, driving the boxing economy. The Mirage also forced other casinos to up their game with nightclubs, amenities, pool parties and better restaurants.

Posted May 29, 2014 1:58 pm 


hit annd hope

To be honest if froch hasn’t fought any one good then neithers ward

Posted May 29, 2014 6:59 am 


Hmmmm

Sometimes you just have to give people credit when it’s due Tark.

Froch is one of the few UK fighters who has a decent following across the pond because of his retro US style. He’s a genuine, honest brawler that is a credit to the sport.

He ducks NO-ONE. He avenged his loss to Kessler in another FOTY. Every time he turns up he provides value for money, excitement and has the crowd on their feet.

Yet all you can do is look down your nose because once you used to fight at D level and think you;re qualified to pull a real pro apart.

It saddens me.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:27 am 


Hmmmm

OK so in your view:

Former & current world champ boxers Froch fought were average.

Glen Johnson, Jermain Taylor, Kessler, Pascal (majority draw with BHOP) were average fighters.

You’re deluded in your old age and it shows in your posts.

Ask other posters and I’d suspect most would agree.

And what fight were you watching when Froch went to war with Pascal and won fair & square? Or is this some kind of weird Twilight zone trip you;re on? Pascal intimidated Froch? Time to give up the whoopie weed my friend.

Froch’s resume is the strongest of all current boxers IMO. It’s strong because his opps were. I wouldn’t call them greats but exceptional is more fitting for them.

Calling them average or fair is just ridiculous.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:22 am 


Turbo-Hamster laughing at the cane toads

See TARK, you say you aren`t writing them off, you wax lyrical about good vs great etc etc….but the point is, that Froch is the #2 SMW in the world, he has fought probably everyone who would be considered in the #1-5 slots over the last few years, and now he’s in the biggest money fight the SMW has perhaps ever seen.

Yet the tone of all of your posts is over-ridingly negative.

You don`t have to say he is an ATG, or a p4p or even a HOF’er, but it just comes across as bitter and twisted when all you can do is say thing like “He met one great/good boxer and got whipped”.

Because, honestly what is the subtext to repeated comments like that?

There is a way to describe people saying “Look so and so isn`t the smoothest defender/attacker/mover etc etc, but what I love about them is XYZ, and they are a test for anyone because of ABC”.

If all you do is rail on them, the overall impression is you think they are rubbish, and the wonder is why you bother watching.

Yet these guys are world champions and challengers – something you never achieved.

Posted May 29, 2014 5:16 am 


TARK

Hmmmm quote, “Froch hasn’t fought any great boxers except for Ward.”

I didn’t say that. I said Ward was not only good but great… But nobody else he fought was even good. They were fair I would say.

How can you be good if a 46 year old man beats you??? If you never fight??? If you get knocked out 3 out of 4 fights??? If Jean Pascal intimidates and beats you??? If you’re a robot??? If you have to punch somebody who’s on the floor???

Posted May 29, 2014 2:18 am 


Hmmmm

Tark, I note your subtle change from:

“Froch hasn’t fought any good boxers except for Ward”

to:

“Froch hasn’t fought any great boxers except for Ward.”

World of difference. Everyone of Froch’s last 11 opponents has been world class except for Mack. Whether any of them are HOFers is another discussion.

Posted May 29, 2014 2:09 am 


Anonymous

fenech nelson 1 a real classic.

Posted May 28, 2014 8:50 pm 


D

good if carl means it. but what if groves wins? will he fight ward in wembley?

Posted May 28, 2014 8:49 pm 


Fight Aficionado

DMX, nice comparison between Groves-Froch and Fenech-Nelson. Thing is Fenech was obv robbed in their first fight in Vegas and thought he’d smackdown Nelson at home. So he was banging tons of chicks and drinking liquor during camp. Nelson meantime reportedly was sick in their first bout, so this time he trained his butt off and was healthy. Game over. Given the close first fight, the winner of Groves-Froch II is the guy who makes the key adjustments. Don’t presume the same opponent shows up for the rematch. No prediction till after the weigh-in from me.

Posted May 28, 2014 8:34 pm 


Goosey

D
“ward is the champ. lets see if the winner wants a piece of him.”

Froch has already said he wants to fight Ward after this fight… Check out the BBC radio 5 Boxing podcast from Monday, when Froch said it….

Posted May 28, 2014 7:53 pm 


D

ward is the champ. lets see if the winner wants a piece of him

Posted May 28, 2014 7:38 pm 


Mr b

Groves by ko , to fast a far better boxer with the capability of ending it in a single shot , great fight can’t wait but there’s a changing of the gaurd and a new champion come Saturday

Posted May 28, 2014 6:44 pm 


TARK

Hmmm says.., “Froch’s last 10 fights: George Grove, Mikkel Kessler 2, Yusaf Mack, Lucian Bute, Andrew Ward, Glen Johnson, Arthur Abraham, Mikkel Kessler 1, Andre Dirrell, jermain Taylor, Jean Pascal”

I said Froch fought a great boxer in Andre Ward…

Andre Dirrell would be a good boxer too — if he actually ever got serious about his career.. He has the raw talent.. Not everyone is going to be good … I don’t see anyone else in that list but Ward who has a stellar defense.

Posted May 28, 2014 6:22 pm 


TARK

Hamster.., “It`s odd how he writes everyone outside the p4p list off,”

Who’s writing anyone off because they’re not on some stupid P4P list??? There are dozens of terrific boxers who wouldn’t be on a given individual or group’s idea of a P4P list.

Who’s saying I’m even writing off Froch or Groves? … They have a very low opinion of each other — but I’m not writing them off.

They’re not going to beat Andre Ward… and I compared their skills to Ward’s … Is that writing them off???

I also said their fight was very entertaining… True enough.

Posted May 28, 2014 6:01 pm 


Turbo-Hamster laughing at the cane toads

Froch is beatable, but is also made out of melted down black box recorders, reformed into the shape of a man.

They didn`t quite get the nose right, but what can you do?

Posted May 28, 2014 5:19 pm 


Joker

@eric I’m not sure you understand whats what. Froch isn’t some mythical unslayable beast. He does go down when hit hard enough, and he can get knocked out just like anyone else. If pressured enough he can also start breathing heavy, just like anyone else. Froch is beatable, not just by tactics employed by Ward, but the in your face I’m beating the sht out of you tactics employed by Groves.

Posted May 28, 2014 4:57 pm 


Anonymous

TARK is constantly full of crap. I laugh at every stupid comment he makes.

Posted May 28, 2014 4:46 pm 


Turbo-Hamster laughing at the cane toads

HMMMMM….

TARK has a very loose grip on reality and an even looser one on the truth. When it suits him there are only 1-2 good boxers on the whole planet.

It`s odd how he writes everyone outside the p4p list off, but it is probably due to bitterness over his failure of a career that saw him repeatedly knocked out at state level.

Posted May 28, 2014 4:42 pm 


Anonymous

easy nights work for froch.tin man is fuc#ed after 6 rounds.

Posted May 28, 2014 3:08 pm 


theyiddo

If Groves sticks the a gameplan of boxing and moving, and not getting drawn hinto an energy sapping brawl, then he wins by 4 rounds. IMO, He’s too fast and skillful for Froch (although the way some of my boxing predictions go, that means Froch will probably knock him out in Round 1!)

Posted May 28, 2014 2:38 pm 


Hmmmm

In fact, Tark, I’m beginning to wonder whether you’re an imposter and the real Tark no longer posts cos you used to have a few good things to say but recently have been coming out with utter tripe.

Posted May 28, 2014 2:03 pm 


Hmmmm

“Neither man ever fought a good boxer. Except for Ward” Priceless.

Froch’s last 10 fights:

George Groves
Mikkel Kessler 2
Yusaf Mack (Tomato can)
Lucian Bute (over hyped but still unbeaten b4 Froch)
Andrew Ward (PVP #2 IMO says it all)
Glen Johnson (over the hill but not a good boxer?)
Arthur Abraham
Mikkel Kessler 1
Andre Dirrell
jermain Taylor
Jean Pascal

Keep ‘em coming Tark.

Posted May 28, 2014 2:01 pm 


eric

Groves is right, he ain’t telling lies, the problem is froch is a different breed and it don’t matter.
His technical work is irrelevant unless he is in with a master class ward type fighter.

Groves ain’t no better taylor.

Posted May 28, 2014 1:57 pm 


GingerWhinger

Groves has no intention of trying to stop Froch in 3 rounds,he knows from the first fight that trying stop Froch takes much out of him,so he’ll fight Froch just like he did DeGale,but that wouldn’t have sold many tickets,Groves will try and nick this,but i think Froch will press hard and get a stoppage by round 7

Posted May 28, 2014 1:09 pm 


TARK

LMFAO!!! Really funny stuff from Groves

Groves makes Froch sound pathetic, “Froch has an awful, awful style … He is not a fighting man … He doesn’t stalk people, he doesn’t pressure, he doesn’t back people up … He dives in gun-slinging punching from the hip, crossing his feet … If he could dance and look pretty but he doesn’t have to ability to do that … if you look back at his fights it’s always desperation.” … That’s real hate lol.

If Froch fights like a gangly tin man Groves fights like a bunny rabbit. GG hops around with a low, wide stance, a forward head, and too much flex in his knees. He’s a wide open target. He busted Froch with tons of hard punches but he absorbed a ton of hard punches as well. I guess that’s why this fight is so big. There’s going to be a KO. Both fighters throw hard and get hammered. Neither man ever fought a good boxer except for Andre Ward.

If you contrast Froch-Ward with Froch-Groves you see Ward defending well… moving well… punching smoothly… slipping punches… countering accurately… stepping in and out sharply… clinching expertly… controlling the clinches… and controlling the ring space for the duration… Ward has a stance, footwork, defense, and fundamental boxing skills.

You see Groves getting hit with stupid stuff… plodding around… winding up… absorbing counter shots… missing wide open counters… not getting out… getting roughed up in the clinches… getting driven against the ropes and all over the ring in an amateurish slugfest… It was a slightly early stoppage—but Groves was getting the crap beaten out of him.

I hate to say this…but it was entertaining. I never laughed so hard.

Posted May 28, 2014 1:05 pm 


GingerWhinger

Groves chin is awful

Posted May 28, 2014 12:58 pm 


Boxing Barlow

What does Froch need to do to win the fight? What should his game plan be?

Posted May 28, 2014 12:40 pm 


detroitko

groves all day!

Posted May 28, 2014 12:16 pm 


varnish

Froch (again)

Posted May 28, 2014 12:07 pm 


Boxing Barlow

What I love about these boards is everyone konws their boxing yet we all have different opinions! Even if we have the same opinion on one particulalr fight, or fighter you soon find debate when looking at other fighters and match ups. However this fight has people really split. I recognise quite a lot of names on here and there is a lot of guys posting regulaly. So I think it would be cool to keep some form of predictions board where we can all put our names firmly to an outcome so we call all reflect afterwards and see who got it right!

Posted May 28, 2014 12:04 pm 


flydog

Make no mistake Froch was getting thru on Groves throughout the first fight! Look back at Groves face for evidence and that was after a heavy KD that Froch took that I can well believe took him a few rounds to fully recover from. Will lightening strike twice? I tend to think not. Froch knows he can reach Groves with the jab and mark him up. I think he’ll look to soften Groves up over several rounds while being careful not to take anything silly in return. Now I’m relying on Froch not growing old overnight (as we like to say in the fight game) but all things being equal if Froch comes in sharp and focused I still believe he has too much for Groves.

Posted May 28, 2014 11:47 am 


Joker

Concerning Groves stamina issues:

1) first time he has had a dedicated strength & conditioning coach for the entire camp

2) much longer training camp with much less interruptions and distractions,
no trainer split no getting dragged to court

3) IMO he doesn’t need to throw as many punches as he did, he overextended himself needlessly in the first fight

—–

All combines into very much improving if not completely dispelling any doubts you may have over his stamina

Posted May 28, 2014 11:24 am 


Pinhead

With a solid game plan and not reacting to the crowd, Groves can take this.

Posted May 28, 2014 11:19 am 


TJ

If the rematch always went the way of the dominant fighter in the 1st, there’d be NO point for them.

Posted May 28, 2014 11:01 am 


TJ

DANG DMX!!

You’ve just stolen my thunder!!! must be some telepathy going in there! You’ve echoed my points exactly in your post!!!!!

Posted May 28, 2014 10:59 am 


ED

Groves only way to beat Froch is to fight him, he will not win trying to fight on the backfoot, everything points to a Froch win, probably by KO as Groves probably won’t last 12 rounds.

Posted May 28, 2014 10:58 am 


TJ

CAUTIONARY TALE:

WBO SMW TITLE:

Robert STIEGLITZ defeated King Arthur ABRAHAM handily in their first fight, making Abraham look old, slow, second best and ready for retirement almost hitting him at will…
FFWD 12 months or so and to their rematch…

King Arthur turned the clocked back as STIEGLITZ, convinced King Arthur was ready for the taking (especially after a couple of poor Mark-time fights) loaded up on his shots and forgot to go back to his locker and throw fast, two-handed combinations.

Guess what? King Arthur not only boxed, he moved! He kept a decent jab in STIEGLITZ’S face, disrupting his rhythm and after 12 brisk rounds, what’d you know? Abraham regains his crown and is a champion once again!

MORAL OF THE STORY:

Just because you think you did extremely well in the first bout, doesn’t guarantee you will do as well in a rematch.
Rematches are as much a chance to PUT THINGS RIGHT as they are to CEMENT a fighter’s dominance.

Just look at Pac vs JMM, Ali vs Frazier, FROCH vs Kessler….etc…

Overconfidence is just as bad a sin as underestimating your opponent…

If the rematch always went the way of the dominant fighter in the 1st, there’d be KO point for them.

FROCH has the chance to remedy his terrible start just as George has to remedy his poor finish.

Posted May 28, 2014 10:57 am 


DMX

Jeff Fenech told the world he was robbed in his first Vegas fight with Azumah “the professor ” Nelson

Fenech had a point, but thought the rematch a formality, he just had to turn up

Like Groves, he even had hometown advantage for the second fight

All time African Great Nelson made the necessary adjustments and destroyed Fenech in the rematch

Posted May 28, 2014 10:55 am 


Boxing Barlow

Interesting thing I I heard on Sky this week was when listening to Paul Smith and Bellew. They debated how much the first round knock down took out of Froch. That they had been put down in their careers and it took them 4 rounds to get themselves right after being buzzed hard. How much of an impart did that knock down have of Froch and how may he have fared in those first rounds had he have not been knocked down? But thaing that into consideration that make me wonder how much that knock down had on Groves! With Froch weakened did this change his game plan and instead of boxing him, finding that he could get to him so easily and tag him whenever he wanted did this encoruage Groves to use up far more energy than he expected to. Did he get as Adam Booth said, greedy? My view of the first fight was that Groves was gassing out more than Froch’s shots were hurting him. I do wonder if he had not gotten to Froch in that first round would Groves had paced himself more and cruised to a points win.

Posted May 28, 2014 10:40 am 


dwc

Froch will be more ready this time.To bad the ref didnt let Froch hit him alittle bit more before he stopped the fight,Froch was robbed that night of a legit win…

Posted May 28, 2014 10:34 am 


Boxing Barlow

Question is, does Groves beleive his own hype? Does he beleive that he can get Froch out of there within 6 rounds that much that he is prepared to risk everything on it? I know I wouldnt take that gamble. Box long and at range and win the fight behind the jab and one two’s. In range score with one or two shots then out of range while froch is reeling from them.

Posted May 28, 2014 10:34 am 


Anonymous

Froch is a machine, plain and simple. Terminator. Both my trainer and I agree, his style is ugly. But if anyone has gone a few rounds flat out, you will know this guy is a beast.
Groves needs to outsmart Froch but i’ve got a feeling his ego will get him toe-to-toe and he’ll get beat.

Posted May 28, 2014 10:21 am 


Anonymous

I hope groves gets credit after the fight if he wins,not just froch got old overnight BS.Froch is a great fighter but Groves has got his number it’s not a slight in on Carl that’s boxing,why should groves keep telling froch how great he is,I don’t know when telling the truth became “disrespectfull” and “out of order” froch brushed off groves and DeGale saying he’d beat them both on the same night,all groves is guilty of is saying I don’t think you would and gave his reasons why.If groves gets on his bike all night like he should have in the first fight he will beat froch because a good boxer beats a good brawler

Posted May 28, 2014 10:19 am 


Boxing Barlow

flydog – Your right about Groves’ predictions. However I beleive this is just all talk. he did the same before the DeGale fight saying how he was going to knock him out then can out and boxed the whole fight on the counter. I think he wants Froch to think he’s gonna come out all guns blazing so Froch will be on the defense which will allow Groves to just use his speed and pick Froch off, getting some rounds in the bank without using up much energy. I actually think the worst thing Froch can do is come out on his guard. The best chance Froch has is putting it on Groves for 12 hard rounds. he will be risking taking serious punishment in the first 8 rounds but then he will be in his kind of fight with a Groves at the stage in the fight where he is slowing down.

Posted May 28, 2014 9:38 am 


KOrnerman

the Observer, as much as id like to see Groves eat a Cobra uppercut he is not stupid enough to rush in, Froch will need to take the fight to him with educated pressure because Groves is a better rangey boxer, not like the last time when he was using his face to block punches with zero guard. High guard Cobra looking to drag Groves into a war of attrition.

Posted May 28, 2014 9:35 am 


KOrnerman

Its hard to believe the referee hasnt been confirmed yet.

Posted May 28, 2014 9:31 am 


BO BO

@anonymous.Groves couldnt hammer you,and your a bum

Posted May 28, 2014 9:12 am 


Unbiased Dane

please come up with some boxing news insted of these childish insults

Posted May 28, 2014 9:09 am 


Marilyn13

@Joker. Loads of people wishing physical harm in Groves though – hence the clamour for the rematch. And the regret that the first match was stopped early. Me, I just hope the ref this weekend is strong enough to stop the match when it NEEDS to be stopped, rather than when the baying bloodlust permits it…

Posted May 28, 2014 9:09 am 


Joker

@Observer show some respect mate, you should be locked up for wishing that kind of physical harm on someone. Hopefully you will be soon.

Posted May 28, 2014 8:48 am 


drunk pom

@ observer ..calm down did groves bang you’re mother

Posted May 28, 2014 8:45 am 


The Observer

Cobra uppercuts. WTF predictive text changing what I write.

Posted May 28, 2014 8:37 am 


The Observer

Groves’ skinny pencil neck is perfectly placed to be WHACKED by Froch’s Cobar uppercuts if he remembers to use them as a counter as Roland Rat rushes in. Froch to box off the back foot and get Roland Rat lunging in and then…. WHAM!!

Posted May 28, 2014 8:36 am 


The Observer

. I truly believe his borderline narcissistic and cannot see any faults within his own game. If he losses this fight, which he could, it will be due to him not being able to follow a simple game plan and his huge ego getting the better of him.

spot on danger mouse… Roland Rat aka George Groves is a narcissist. Mark my words, just like many boxers such as Eamonn Magee one day you will wake up to the news George Groves has had his legs shattered by a baseball attack and was left lying in a gutter. He p*sses everyone off with his whining, moaning attitude, always digging for a rise in people.

Anyone remember how Groves DUCKED his rematch with Kenny Anderson after reports he would be shot dead in the ring during the fight?

Yep, Groves has brought it on himself. He’s a dckihead.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he winds up in hospital come Saturday night after Froch caves his head in! LOL

Posted May 28, 2014 8:34 am 


Anonymous

They are both awful it’s like the junior varsity

Posted May 28, 2014 8:32 am 


BS

Don’t we all know this anyway? Froch is a ‘fighter’! Not a ‘boxer’… Having said that, I think he boxed the likes of Abraham and Kessler (2nd fight) pretty damn well…

He hurts his opponents with those low, looping shots. They’re not very fast and they don’t look pretty! But (Andre Ward Excluded) they often land and I bet they don’t bloody tickle lol!

Posted May 28, 2014 8:28 am 


Blitz

getealife spot on with the bute fight there was no ‘boxing’ involved with that fight he just beat the guy up and broke his heart

Posted May 28, 2014 8:23 am 


Dangermouse

theyiddo: Your correct with most of your analysis concerning Froch, however if you watch the Bute match with the sound off (so you don’t let the commentary effect your judgment of whats taken place), you will notice that Groves was spot on when he said that Froch wasn’t really that impressive in the Bute fight. I strongly believe that KO’s/TKO’s and stoppages give us all amnesia because Froch didn’t really box very well in the Bute fight from a fundamental skills prospective. Bute was the better boxer from rounds 1,2 and a small part of round 3. Froch only started jumping on Bute from mid to late round 3 because he looked like he was getting a bit desperate, thus jumped on Bute with a two fisted assault. He noticed that Bute didn’t respond fire or block his punches, so he continued it and really rocked Bute towards the end of round 3. Round 4 he changed tactics to trying to box again without any succcess, so at the ending of round 4 he changed tactics again to rushing Bute to the ropes and really hurting Bute (the bell saved Bute). Round 5 same again only this time he does it from the start of the round and stops Bute. I believe Groves can quite comfortable win this if he boxes cleaver and follows the game plan. Froch cannot box with Groves. Froch is one of the toughest and best conditioned boxers on the planet. His strength is his amazing conditioning and ability to take punishment and give punishment in return. However his boxing ability is average and he lacks fundamental skills. Groves however is very skilled, fast and has excellent power in both hands. His weakness is his personality. I truly believe his borderline narcissistic and cannot see any faults within his own game. If he losses this fight, which he could, it will be due to him not being able to follow a simple game plan and his huge ego getting the better of him.

Posted May 28, 2014 8:20 am 


Blitz

Groves wins on a split. This ant ending early

Posted May 28, 2014 8:19 am 


getalife

Well, he’s definitely a fighter, there’s no denying that. With respect to the Bute fight though, he certainly didn’t box beautifully. He was trying to box for the first rounds and Bute was getting the better of him. I noticed quite clearly at the beginning of the round where he destroyed Bute he had thought to himself ‘sod this’, and he went back to his ‘natural style’ and it had immediate effect against that particular opponent….

Posted May 28, 2014 8:19 am 


Anonymous

Groves is gonna hammer Froch. It will be over fast. Groves by KO by the 4th round.

Carl was lucky when he got decked in the 1st round last time because there was only 15 seconds left in the round. Groves will nail Froch earlier in the round next time and Groves will finish him off this time.

Posted May 28, 2014 8:08 am 


egg and cress sarny

Anonymous and flydog are couple lol

Posted May 28, 2014 8:06 am 


beans on toast

F~K OF FLYDOG,YOU AINT AS FLY AS YOU THINK YOU ARE Anonymous

Posted May 28, 2014 8:05 am 


Hmmmm

The ONLY question worth debating is whether Froch will grow old overnight. Only way Groves wins. Groves hit Froch with his sweetest and it wasnt enough….

No-one has mentioned that Froch’s best defense is his chin but he is beginning to sound a bit shop worn in interviews. Taken some punishment last 4-5 fights.

Posted May 28, 2014 7:56 am 


mn

And George Groves has beaten who and held what titles??? Another Tyson Fury a domestic ‘world champion’ who is talking it up hype hype hype u lost boy its in history books…… go on boxrec people Froch been to the deep dark place plenty of times. He’s got my vote by a long way

Posted May 28, 2014 7:51 am 


flydog

Barlow: Really, really good analysis my friend! Ward in no way tried to stop Froch whereas Groves threw a ton of punches, slowed down and allowed Froch his strong finish. Your ‘blueprint’ on how to beat Froch is spot-on. The only problem is that Groves has been predicting a 3 round KO and telling us that he will announce which punch he’ll do it with this week! If he fails to get rid of Carl early, like last time, then he’s in for another long, hard battle and Froch becomes a strong favourite as not many best Froch in a battle of attrition.

Posted May 28, 2014 7:44 am 


RAYGORDON REID

groves

Posted May 28, 2014 7:01 am 


Boxing Barlow

Froch’s technique is not ideal. But no one can deny it is not effective. He is ultra fit and come those ‘championship rounds’ as he calls them his fitness really comes into his own and switches it up a gear. To beat Froch you need to have better fundemental skills, good fitness and a game plan! There is no doubt what so ever in my mind that Groves has more than ample skills to beat Froch. He may have gone onto beat him first time around and I am of the opinion he was robbed. But Adam Booth hit the nail on the head for me when he said that Groves got gready. I have watched the previous fight again recently and also watched Wards fight with Froch as well. The major difference in the two fights was how abitious Ward and Groves were. Ward would have a bit of sucess with Froch catch him witha shot or two then back straight off into his defence and take very little in return in term of scoring or hurtful shots. Groves on the other hand would follow up initial effective scoring shots turning them into a three or four punch combinations. It all made for an amazing first 8 rounds and the job Groves done on froch up until that point looked far more impressive than that Ward did.

So for me this is Groves’ fight to win or loose. As long as he comes in with the right game plan. Score with shots, do enough to win rounds while conserving energy for any kind of Froch rally late on he will win this fight easily.

Posted May 28, 2014 6:55 am 


flydog

Froch has never been known for his silky smooth boxing skills but that isn’t to say he hasn’t got a bit of it in him. I thought he ‘boxed’ very well against Bute and Abraham and Groves’ face didn’t look the way it did cos Froch was missing all night!! I wouldn’t be surprised at any outcome of this fight but I’ll be cheering for Froch. He’s my kind of guy – balls of steel!!!

Posted May 28, 2014 6:14 am 


1903

There’s no doubting that Froch struggles against opponents that don’t meet him head on and move in and out of range but you don’t get wins against the opponents he has and win the titles he has without having boxing ability. Groves needs to be more concerned about the fact he hit Froch with everything he had for 8 rounds and still couldn’t put him away.

Posted May 28, 2014 5:23 am 


urone2

Groves has said all of this about Froches Technique, but Grove was rocked by bad technique and stopped even if it was early. Grove better just be ready to fight, I sure Froch will be ready for Groves. If Groves loses to the guy that 11 years older than he is again Groves should just retire.

Posted May 28, 2014 5:14 am 


theyiddo

What Groves said is true, but its not like no one knew that already. Froch’s technique is terrible. Left hand held low – opening himself up to right hand…and he swings from the hips with clubbing shots. I think the only fight I’ve seen him show half decent boxing ability was when he smashed up Bute (and there’s no doubting that was an impressive win). Against fast skillful boxers, he’s always had a problem. Ward schooled him, Dirrell should have beaten him (and on my scorecard did, but he kept moaning and grabbing so I’ve no sympathy for him), Groves outboxed him from Rounds 1-8 before the controversial stoppage. Jermain Taylor was a mile ahead when he got stopped in the dying seconds. Hell, he barely plodded to victory over Glen Johnson

Posted May 28, 2014 4:39 am 



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