I haven’t been following COTTO vs Martinez coming up this weekend. How do you see that fight panning out?
I saw a clip where COTTO is saying he is the ‘A side’ and Martinez the ‘B side’ for the fight as he has sold out The Garden 9 times and is a hero there, so he should be announced and enter the ring last.
Looks like some serious bad blood has blown up for that fight.Posted June 2, 2014 6:04 am
TJ- sweet i like your passion for boxing and boxing discussion. keep it upPosted June 1, 2014 3:05 pm
it should have read… I’m glad you nailed that rat to the mast and not that fat!!! LOLPosted June 1, 2014 1:50 pm
there was one commentator hugging groves nuts bad first fight! i did not think that sky announcer called the fight objectively. he was talking froch down and not giving him any credit like froch did nothi the whole fight then it was funny to see groves smashed face. the way the guy called the fight and groves face at the end do not jive son!!! i think the dudes name is jim or something
Posted May 31, 2014 1:05 pm
Totally agree with you Bears.
My summation of the commentary for that show was over the top and in one word, b.s.
I know WWE gets a bad ride, but them having 3 color guys, one favouring the good, one in favour of the bad and one just calling the shots without prejudice works…
Commentators are their to call the shots, add some colour and generally not to be biased for either fighter.
Bears, you called it spot on. I’m glad you nailed that fat to the mast!Posted June 1, 2014 1:49 pm
Anybody who picked Groves to win this fight based on the 1st fight is an idiot.. Froch started taking over in the 5th again.. He was very cautious early which was very smart.
He started sacking this kid but the 5th again.. He was on his way to destroying Groves, big KO shot or NOT!!!Posted May 31, 2014 7:16 pm
there was one commentator hugging groves nuts bad first fight! i did not think that sky announcer called the fight objectively. he was talking froch down and not giving him any credit like froch did nothi the whole fight then it was funny to see groves smashed face. the way the guy called the fight and groves face at the end do not jive son!!! i think the dudes name is jim or somethingPosted May 31, 2014 1:05 pm
bang on the money.Posted May 31, 2014 12:47 pm
I remember when Sky TV used to suck up to all the fighters, but it seems like in today’s climate of confrontation stirred up by social media and reality nonsense it seems the heads at Sky have intentionally set off get he likes of Johnny Nelson and Jim Watt to get off the fence and to stir the pot with every interview and commentary they do.
I always thought boxing coverage should be as unbiased as possible, but perhaps I’m the dinosaur as US commentaries are just as bad.
When I was a kid we had commentaries from Reg Gutteridge and Harry Carpenter (RIP to both) and they were invariably straight down the line. It seems idiots like Kellerman, Merchant and Lederman are deliberately making sure they are noticed more than the fighters!
It seems Sky only does the extremes.
Extreme butt licking or extreme bias against whoever got the tails end of the coin!Posted May 31, 2014 11:44 am
Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster
Very good summation.
I used to like George but I can’t agree with his approach to either fight with FROCH. I’ve never known a fighter whine as much as him. Apparently, they were given a week to agree the ref and at the last minute tried to complain about him. The IBF told them you had a week to voice a complaint, but didn’t… You can now go and F. yourselves! The ref stays put!
This shows up all the smoke and mirrors that makes me detest him.
I knew he was a decent boxer when he totally outclassed and outpunched Glen Johnson a while back, but he seems to have changed somewhere along the line into this infantile narcissist delusional nut job!Posted May 31, 2014 11:36 am
Froch is right, George has dried out, he looks week, with sunken hollow cheeks
That’s why Carl is grinning on the way back to the changing room
He is smart enough to know No way is Groves lasting 12 Rounds
He will have is tongue hanging out after seven rounds again
Cobra by late stoppagePosted May 31, 2014 11:21 am
i dislike groves every time he talks more too! when they froch and groves sat down to talk in the uk equivalent of face off groves came off like a turd. i do not like groves personality man. he needs beat up
but the weigh in photo looks like he is im better shape than last timePosted May 31, 2014 10:44 am
They both suck nutsPosted May 31, 2014 9:17 am
Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster
Sky TV have milked Groves being from London and drummed up a lot of support from people who wouldn’t recognise Floyd Mayweather if they passed him in the street. Laughably they shoved a microphone at the actress Emily Blunt, who hadn’t heard of either boxer and told her that she should be supporting Groves as he’s from Hammersmith. They got their quote and apparently “Emily Blunt’s rooting for fellow Londoner George Groves” (they need a tie in with their entertainment headlines). I’d say that UK boxing fans are 50/50 on this one but as the fight’s in London there will be more casual fans supporting the hometown fighters.
Froch is always a nervous starter, so I’m expecting Groves to pile on the early pressure and try not to brawl. Froch will try to turn it into a brawl after a few rounds. As Groves has gassed after every brawl he’s had in his pro career, the outcome will probably depend on whether Froch can close down Groves and drag him into a brawl (barring a KO punch out of the blue from either). As a supporter of both, I’d be happy if Froch had one last big win, for the decade of entertainment he’s given us. I’d also be happy if Groves won and became a star for the next handful of years. I just hope that Groves has a personality transplant, I like his boxing but with his goading and whining he’s hard to like in interviews. I can see why he’s fallen out with everyone he’s worked with for over 2 years.Posted May 31, 2014 5:27 am
Go Froch!Posted May 31, 2014 5:26 am
Kato… You’re entitled to your opinion, obviously:) … But wud Carl Froch hav fared any better than Eubank against a 1998 Thompson at cruiser weight? I don’t think so. Haye couldn’t stop Thompson. There’s no way Froch wud out-slug or KO Thompson either. The Cobra openly admitted to not feeling big enough to tangle with Hopkins at 175, let alone a cruiserweight.Posted May 31, 2014 4:43 am
Going with Groves here. Both guys are ripped and ready but Groves’ speed is the difference. Interesting it seems most of England is behind him. He’s a big fan of the local football club Chelsea so you know those fans are showing up at Wembley to support him. Should be a helluva show.Posted May 31, 2014 4:20 am
lion youre an insecure boyPosted May 31, 2014 1:55 am
Eight EXPERTS are NO match for one LEGENDARY prophet! FROCH by Nottingham NASTY knock out. I am the GREATEST fight prophet EVER born!!!Posted May 30, 2014 11:06 pm
Carl Thompson was a good British cruiserweight. Not your Evander Holyfield Cruiser, but a good tough pro and unsung to be fair to him.
Carl Thompson demolished and gave a novice David Haye his first loss and funnily enough in similar fashion Tony Thompson done the green David Price.
Carl Thompson, David Haye, David Price, Tony Thompson ….
Imagine that train!!!!!!!!! Yikes!
I’d recommend the David Haye beat-down and then sit back and watch Thompson/Eubanth lPosted May 30, 2014 8:53 pm
LOL at Kato3888… Idiot!Posted May 30, 2014 7:41 pm
@ POPKINS – that’s cool you feel that way… I see things a little differently when it comes to that…. but we can agree to disagree…, right??? I believe that a 1997 Eubank, would fare much the same if not worse than the Joe C fight… a 1997 version of Chris Eubank, lost to Calzaghe and then lost his next two fights to Carl Thompson????? That name doesn’t even ring a bell to me…. Who is he???? An English fighter???Posted May 30, 2014 6:01 pm
crispy bacons best
f~k of GUS,you Anonymous GAZPosted May 30, 2014 5:49 pm
crispy bacons best
popkins smokes the Anonymous salami,Posted May 30, 2014 5:48 pm
Froch did not underestimate Groves in their first fight – that’s bull$hit. Although Carl is definitely less anxious this time, that can only help him perform better. But George has grown in confidence and will b stronger this time too. … Froch’s only hope is to land a lucky KO IMO.Posted May 30, 2014 5:35 pm
Kato… I wud pick a 2007 Kessler, a 2008 Hopkins and a 1997 Eubank to all beat Froch.Posted May 30, 2014 5:23 pm
Groves will start fast and take the first 3 rounds, but Froch will begin to find success in the fourth as Groves starts to fade and the concern will start to be visible on his face. His corner will start to panic and instruct him to spoil and clinch.
By round 7, Groves will under serious fire, but just as Froch appears to have Groves in a little bit of trouble, the ref will notice that some tape has come loose on Groves’ gloves and give him a quick breather. Groves seems to get a second wind and at 1.27 of the round lands the punch of the fight. Froch smiles and the two go to war in what turns out to be the round of the fight.
Groves develops quite a serious cut above his left eye and is pulled out after round round 9.Posted May 30, 2014 5:12 pm
@ POPKINS – I’d still have to rate Froch higher than Joe C. based on simple resume arithmetic.
I do agree that the fight was stopped PREMATURELY but it robbed Froch of a decisive KO. Groves outboxed Froch the first half of the fight… YES! But Froch was getting to him and Groves was very wobbly. It was just a matter of time till The Cobra caught him with a 2 – 3 punch combo and that would’ve sealed the deal. We wouldn’t even be talking about this rematch.
This is what happens when you don’t take a fighter seriously. Same thing happened to Zab Judah against Carlos Baldomir.Posted May 30, 2014 5:04 pm
Groves will outbox Carl and win unanimous points decision, groves will be down in 12th but will survive!Posted May 30, 2014 4:43 pm
Carbon fibre Turbo-Hamster
I see a repeat Froch KO late after getting outboxed early.
Groves can`t keep the ranga rage inside. GIngers HAVE to exchange at some point, it is in their mutated DNA.Posted May 30, 2014 4:40 pm
Watching the fight in real time Groves did look to have Froch’s number and the stoppage looked premature but on review Froch was starting to get the better of things he was finding the target more and more with heavy shots. Groves was beating Froch to the punch last time round and even though he seems to be the quicker of the two I think Froch has the grit, toughness and fitness to come through. Groves may use his speed and out point Carl over the 12 rds but Froch’s not going to underestimate George 2nd time around and I think he stops Groves in a similar time and fashion to their 1st fight.Posted May 30, 2014 4:31 pm
Kato… U make a good point. But wot if Froch loses to Groves? Where do u rate him then?Posted May 30, 2014 4:17 pm
I honestly can’t wait for this fight. Cobra has a lot to prove. He has to prove that Groves ability to hang with him was a fluke. If Carl can look good in this rematch, it wil shut down all the critics who think he’s not for real. He’s lost a couple of high profile fights…. barely… He got outclassed by Ward, but based on his resume, I’d hang his hat way higher than the undefeated Joe Calzaghe.
“Can’t wait!”” – in my bet Bart Scott voice.Posted May 30, 2014 4:05 pm
This is a massively high pressure fight for the Cobra. … A victory over George won’t really enhance his all time standing at all. But a loss to Groves wud put a huge dent in how he is ranked in the history books, especially wen compared to the likes of Collins, Benn, Eubank and Calzaghe…..Posted May 30, 2014 3:54 pm
Should a be a good scrap, which will hopefully put boxing in a good light for a change. … Froch has serious balls for taking this rematch – after all, Groves was comfortably out boxing him last time. Saint George takes this on points….Posted May 30, 2014 3:47 pm
Should a be a good scrap, which will hopefully put boxing in a good light for a change. … Froch has serious balls for taking this rematch – after all, Groves was comfortably out boxing him last time. Saint George takes this on points.Posted May 30, 2014 3:46 pm
In the Ali / Bonavena fight , Ali practically stood over Bonavena when he scored a knockdown in the 15 th round and started battering him as soon as he stood up. Ali got the late stoppage but would not have if the Ref directed Ali to a neutral corner. Refs, fighters were all intimidated by Ali. refs by beholden to promoters and being incompetent have decided many fights. Quick breakers in clinches or delayed breaks by Refs are not always unintentional.Posted May 30, 2014 3:30 pm
This is a seriously difficult fight to predict as there are so many possible outcomes. You have Froch coming out like he did against Bute and ending it in 6 and you have the ‘Hagler v Hearns’ blast out with either man coming out on top. Then you have the ‘Groves the boxer’ moving and keeping Carl at distance which he is more than capable of. You also have an exact replica of the first fight with Carl getting hammered in the first 6 and then coming through in 8 or 9.
Oops, put the comment on the wrong thread.Posted May 30, 2014 2:52 pm
KENNY ANDERSON pressured the hell out of Groves, by just walking him down behind a high guard. He battered Groves all through the 3rd and floored him heavily just before the bell. Groves walked back to his corner like a drunk on a Friday night. He was under heavy pressure again in the 4th, but Kenny seemed to gas and then got hurt with body shots.
FROCH must start quicker as in narrowing the gap between them, once he’s done this he doesn’t need to go crazy, just ramp up the pressure like the middle distance runners do and force GG to work, work, work, whilst he keeps an eye out for any big counters.
If it’s a pick’em at halfway, then out the peddle to the mettle and introduce that Cobra uppercut and try and work that body….hard and often.
If FROCH can catch him clean GG will be on spaghetti legs, just like in the Anderson fight.Posted May 30, 2014 2:46 pm
Groves inside 8.Posted May 30, 2014 2:42 pm
This pundit says.., “Would Gene Tunney have beaten Jack Dempsey without benefit of the “Long Count”?”
Tunny beat Dempsey without benefit of a count in their 1st fight. In the rematch Dempsey screwed up. Jack refused to go to a neutral corner in a timely fashion. The count was suspended. Gene could have gotten up immediately like Zab Judah did versus Kosta Tszyu … but he was a lot smarter than Zab. Tunney took advantage of Dempsey’s lack of attention to detail. You’re allowed to be smart.
Muhammad Ali also refused to go to a neutral corner when he floored Sonny Liston… Unfortunately for Sonny an idiot was refereeing the fight. Joe Walcott didn’t suspend the count.
Walcott let Nat Fleischer decide the outcome… When Ali and Liston continued fighting (Liston having gotten no count AT ALL—because Liston was standing by the time Walcott finally pushed Ali into a neutral corner), Fleischer started screaming at Walcott, “Hey Walcott. Hey Walcott. The fight’s over. STOP THE FIGHT. Liston was down for 10.” Walcott, having his head up his ass, stopped the fight and declared Ali the winner.
Liston’s boxing license was revoked in all 50 states because a few boxing commissioners had “suspicions” Sonny faked the knockdown. Liston asked the commissioners why he would get up and continue fighting if he intended to throw the fight … and how exactly he was supposed to know what the count was.
They told Sonny, “That’s not the point. You went down for no reason.” Liston told them the tape proves Ali hit him — but they ignored him.
Liston, “They were locked in cement, and didn’t want to be confused by the facts.”Posted May 30, 2014 2:34 pm
Froch in 10Posted May 30, 2014 2:31 pm
It might have been a quick stoppage nevertheless Froch did have Groves in trouble . Groves landed good shots and Froch was able to continue, though staggered, Groves did not stand up as well when Froch landed his good shots. This fight will be similar to the 1st fight with pretty much the same ending.Posted May 30, 2014 2:30 pm
Froch is a seriously tough man, but looks slow and predictable against good boxers. Groves I think takes this by outfoxing Froch, I think there will be moments when Groves will have to fight and he can do this too but he has too much and will take this. I think Froch is pulled in-between rounds near the end.Posted May 30, 2014 2:26 pm
Both are true, froch knows he cant win and ward isn’t a attraction.
I got got froch on late stopage, but do not underestimate groves, that kid boxed froch ears off last time.Posted May 30, 2014 2:25 pm
Eddie Hearns says he has no interest in trying to make a rematch with Ward if he loses. Talks about how Ward doesn’t sell great. But really what he is saying is that he knows Froch can’t beat Ward no matter where they fight and doesn’t want to put Froch in to lose. Frock KOs GrovesPosted May 30, 2014 2:15 pm
crispy bacons best
f~k of AnonymousPosted May 30, 2014 1:18 pm
Froch showed against Kessler he can adjust well. He knows he can’t fight at a distance with Groves because he’ll get picked apart, so he’ll probably jump him like he did with Bute. Plus, if Froch could come back from that horrid first round the last time, I find it unlikely Groves will KO him this time around unless he knocks him out cold. So Froch by KOPosted May 30, 2014 1:09 pm
was steve bunce there.lol.Posted May 30, 2014 12:58 pm
8 experts who apt admit don’t know who Groves is? Hardly expert opinion. My tuppence worth, Froch proves doubters wrong by starting fast and overwhelming groves stopping him between 6-9.Posted May 30, 2014 12:54 pm
I got Froch by K.O.Posted May 30, 2014 12:53 pm