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SREDMOND

Tark, AGAIN you make excuses for ANOTHER loss Tommy Hearns was fighting beautifully till Ray came on and showed why he was an ATG… I realize like that Dog Bears you are NOT really a fight fan, if you don’t like a result you just make an excuse and pretend that never happened… Leonard beat Hearns AZZZ when push came to shove FAIR and square… Give your bleeting a rest..

Posted June 5, 2014 11:33 am 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, that’s fine fans can “demand more” but they are really only upsetting themselves if these guys fight 3x per year the matchups are NOT gonna be premium and dudes will be PISSED no matter what…I would rather see Floyd in with a World Champ or recognizable name than some “filler” where its not gonna mean much if he defeats… Guys like he and Pac defeat quality fighters and people act like the two of them are the ONLY suitable opponents for eachother in boxing…The public is rarely happy

Posted June 5, 2014 11:31 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, that LATE career rematch between Hearns and Leonard is merely an addendum to a summit meeting when in their primes where Leonard stopped Tommy Hearns… Its along the lines of Hops getting an ugly win over RJJ when guys were OLD… Meanwhile as prime age fighters Roy was too much for Hops and James Toney…No one but a psychopath like you would mistake Benetiz for for George Groves, what a preposterous comparison..

Posted June 5, 2014 11:28 am 


TARK

Sredmond you’re brain dead. You don’t know Boxing

George Groves hasn’t been knocked out as often as Wilfredo Benitez was yet… but GG will come to a bad end like Benitez… He has the same forward head, wide stance, and is wide open for straight punches… I’ve said this all along… It’s just as sure as Leonard knocking Benitez out.

Leonard admitted Hearns beat him in the rematch… He was behind on points at the end in the first fight … and only won that one because Hearns was a skinny dehydrated prune.

Leonard lost the first fight to lightweight Duran. Duran gave Ray the rematch without a fight… That was a gift.

Leonard scored a great win over Hagler — but refused to fight the top challengers for that title… He gave up the title rather than face Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn, or Julian Jackson… They each wound up middleweight champ for different orgs

Posted June 4, 2014 6:32 pm 


Anonymous

that tark is nearly as useless as max kellerman.

Posted June 4, 2014 3:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, you are a MORON during the bout that 99% of people remember and prime for prime SRL knocked Thomas Hearns OUT…He beat Hagler on clean punching and hitting him more often, Marvin failed to fight his fight and opted to box with Leonard (mistake) and he retired bitter afterwards. Comparing Benitez to “George Groves” lets me know that the Alzheimers plaques that are corrupting brain have reached a critical mass… Get a grip

Posted June 4, 2014 2:36 pm 


TARK

Ray Leonard beating Duran, Hearns, Benetiz and Hagler means very little to me.

Benitez was as wide open and hittable as George Groves.. Duran and Hearns both beat Leonard.. and many fans found Ray’s win over Hagler to be dubious.

Leonard ducked Mike McCallum… Michael Nunn… and Julian Jackson… who were the top rated guys for the title Leonard won from Marv Hagler.

Plus… after Leonard was stripped of the middleweight title… and the 3 guys he ducked won the splintered pieces of it… Leonard ducked down to 154 to fight Terry Norris… a guy who was previously cold-cocked by Julian Jackson…

Terry Norris was faster and slicker than anyone Leonard ever boxed before — and the young speedster beat the living crap out of Leonard.

Mayweather would have boxed the piss out of Leonard. Ray got hit too much.

Posted June 4, 2014 2:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Football, Baseball and Basketball players are not judged as seriously on the quality of their rivals.. Whereas boxers ARE everyone discussing Ray Leonard beating Duran, Hearns, Benetiz and Hagler they don’t really discuss the pedestrian fighters he beat coming up or the ones that filled out his schedule as he became successful… Also once these guys get to a level where they are making millions they need opponents that are bankable for the Networks or PPV… I am sure if guys could fight journeymen on PPV for 20 mill per night you would see a lot more bout out of these guys

Posted June 4, 2014 12:26 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, it simply NOT feasible and the number of quality opponents available doe NOT substantiate that number of fights ie 4 bouts… Guys give fighters grief ALL the time when they face soft touches and promotions for MAJOR PPV events often take 2 quarters or more…If you are OK with Top Boxers facing 3 lames and one solid opponent per year by all means then you should press for guys to fight 4x but reality is that in the modern era that’s an up an comers schedule, not to mention the training camps in between that typically run 8 weeks, you would have guys deteriorating at a seriously rapid rate and not even facing real competition.. The way that OLD greats racked up so many bouts was facing ALOT of bums and then the discussion turning to the quality guys they did face… Guys like Floyd, Manny and others barely get credit when they face a fellow World Champion, Top Contender or Young Gun, imagine if they began facing 15 Corrie Sanders, or Ross Purritys to pad their schedules?

Posted June 4, 2014 12:22 pm 


Anonymous

but boxers are superfit today.

Posted June 4, 2014 11:39 am 


SREDMOND

Laj, as for Wlad fighting 2x per year that makes sense and is about right for top fighters.. Problem with Wlad fighting 3x is that over the past few years he was active, yet he was active against SUB World Class foes and he was taking some heat while padding his stats.. Mormeck, Pianeta, Wach and an OLD recycled Thompson were fights that did little for Klits legacy or standing.. AGAIN the larger point is that GGG facing 4 scrubs per year is not gonna impress people who wanna see him against a higher level of comp to substantiate these claims of Greatness..

Posted June 4, 2014 10:25 am 


The X – Factor

But can triple GGG take Froch’s punches ?

Posted June 4, 2014 1:19 am 


Happyboy

Just when is he gonna fight somebody?

Posted June 4, 2014 12:52 am 


Happyboy

Half way through another year & over 30 GGG has still not faught an elite fighter.

Posted June 4, 2014 12:49 am 


The Black Pariah

Correctamundo is Boxtradomus

Posted June 3, 2014 10:32 pm 


Anonymous

Tunney got caught for the long count. He was pretty good

Posted June 3, 2014 8:24 pm 


TARK

Just because you have one momentary lapse and make a huge mistake, because your trainer is yapping at you to finish a dangerous opponent — doesn’t mean you’re not a great boxer.

Larry Holmes was smashed out by Mike Tyson. So was Michael Spinks.

Both great boxers.

Posted June 3, 2014 8:22 pm 


TARK

Boxtra says.., “Actually Not Lara, not Thurman, not Porter, and not Pacquiao can claim to be a PRIME GREAT Boxer. SO facing them is irrelevant according to TARK’s logic. Because after he SCHOOLS them or SPANKS them he will still not have faced a PRIME GREAT Boxer……”

But Floyd won’t spank them.. That’s the point.. Floyd CAN’T spank them.. Floyd couldn’t even spank Maidana, who’s been spanked before.

Those would be great fights that would have fans on the edge of their seats — because Floyd would have to up his game… That’s something he’s never had to do because he never fought anybody that good before.

However we will never see Floyd against Lara… Porter… Thurman… Brook… or Pacquiao … because Floyd doesn’t want to face anyone with their talent and skills.

Canelo wasn’t skillful… He barely got the best of Austin Trout — who Erislandy Lara completely dominated.

And BTW.. Pacquiao is still a great prime boxer.. He proved it by giving undefeated young Timothy Bradley 30-0 a boxing lesson — the same man who gave ATG Juan Manuel Marquez lessons in controlling the action and ring space.

Posted June 3, 2014 8:16 pm 


laj

The only claims I have seen GGG fans make is that GGG would beat certain fighters. Isn’t that what fans are supposed to do. Seems to me that is the definition of a fan.

Posted June 3, 2014 7:25 pm 


laj

Sredmond, Wlad even fights 2-3 times per year and he is elite, so I just can’t agree with your assesment of only fighting once per year. Actually Martinez used to fight more, before the injuries, so I give him a pass, long term health is more important. All fighters outside of injuries should be able to give us 2 fights a year. They certainly don’t have to, but you can’t use the fact that someone that fights four times a year should face the same comp each time as someone that only fights once or twice.

Posted June 3, 2014 7:22 pm 


Anonymous

Froch wouldn’t stand a chance against GGG.

Posted June 3, 2014 5:55 pm 


SREDMOND

As far as “belittling Golovkin” his fans and trainer set him up for additional scrutiny because they are making HUGE claims and when his resume is examined some of us find it sorely lacking in quality…

Posted June 3, 2014 5:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Again Laj, I disagree GGG should fight more than Martinez because he is a guy trying to build a name and padding his resume.. Only elite fighter I can think of that fought 4x in a year recently was Donaire.. Guys who are looking for premium matchups cannot get it on that much in the modern era… Had Martinez fought the guys GGG did he would have been RAKED over the coals… As far as Macklin, Martinez stopped him first so despite GGG rocking his world he was not the first to do it and note that Macklin had lost 2 of 3 prior to GGG including Martinez knocking him down a couple times and ending his night early.

Posted June 3, 2014 5:52 pm 


laj

Sredmond 3G fought 4 times last year and how many did Martinez fight? I am not belittling Martinez, why are you trying to belittle a fighter that has fought 4 times in one year with 4 KO’s and is on pace to do so again this year. He is fighting anyone that will fight him, with the possible exception of Ward, who as I explained earlier isn’t fighting anyone. Martinez did struggle against Macklin and 3G blew him away, so Macklin and others do matter in the way they were beaten.

Posted June 3, 2014 4:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Laj, to me saying “avoid” sounds like a spin on “ducker” that said if you meant something else then so be it.

Posted June 3, 2014 4:27 pm 


laj

SRemond, I never claimed Martinez was a ducker. He and his management made business decisions to avoid GGG. Show me where I said he was a ducker. At this point in his career he should and is following the sensible path with the greatest income possibilities.

Posted June 3, 2014 4:22 pm 


SREDMOND

Was Martinez “avoiding Golovkin” when GGG was talking about a Mayweather bout or Chavez Jr? NOOOOOOO reality is that Golovkin is looking for paydays just like Martinez difference is that Martinez has earned them by winning and defending his lineal championship as an aging fighter who has had multiple surgeries.. Saying every fighter in boxing is “ducking Golovkin” has gotten really tired at this point time for guys to get a NEW story as to why this guys resume smells like Tomato Sauce.

Posted June 3, 2014 4:06 pm 


SREDMOND

Laj, I TOTALLY disagree on the Martinez front the guy has been fighting the toughest MW’s out there for years and UNLIKE GGG he is NOT faking coming from a lower weight class he started at 147, I am NOT gonna discredit Martinez who fought BIG MW’s like Chavez Jr and Martin Murray in succession while while Golovkin was fighting Curtis Stevenson, and that guy in Morocco.. At 39 Martinez is taking the biggest $$$$ fight available to him which makes sense, I’m not gonna brand him a ducker because he might be getting a career payday against Cotto…

Posted June 3, 2014 4:02 pm 


laj

Sredmond, Martinezes management clearly indicated they had no intention of fighting GGG at this point, if it is due to money or not, they are avoiding him and have made that clear. Personally at this point in his career I think it is a smart and the right move, and he would get beaten by GGG. He doesn’t really have anything more to prove. Styles make fights and Martinez has too much dependency on his athleticism, and it isn’t what it used to be, a lot like RJJ, he would get caught. 3G would be all wrong for him, just like I fell Ward would beat 3G because he supplements his athletic ability with his skills and sharp boxing mind.

Posted June 3, 2014 3:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Lying King, Mayweather and Golovkin don’t even fight in the same weight classes by plenty so this is an OLD argument you are trying to sell and really GGG is more myth than accomplishment at this point…Thinking the world is terrified of a guy who knocked out the 2x KOed Matthew Macklin is getting old and corny..No one is adjusting anything for GGG who has ALOT to prove, Sergio is NOT scared of that guy he fights anyone reality is that he has a MUCH bigger $$$$ fight at 39 against Cotto… Get ya mind right CHUMP

Posted June 3, 2014 3:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Lying King, how is “Broner gonna fight Provodnikov” when Provo fights for Top Rank? see this is the kind of thing that lets me know you are a NOVICE and common Moron… On top of that Broners second fight at 147 was against a guy who is MORE dangerous than Provodnikov (Maidana) so Broners “balls” cannot be really questioned I was surprised GBP moved him along so quick on that one.. Get your facts straight man!

Posted June 3, 2014 2:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Chavez Jr did NOT “duck” GGG that’s just more of this GGG mythology FACT is that a very clearly articulated contract dispute with Top Rank arose and it killed the fight… Chavez Jr was deep in negotiations with Golovkins team and they NEVER accused Julio of ducking them… Reality is that Chavez Jr would have been a stiff test for GGG and no one knows how that fight would go because Golovkin has been in with with lessor opposition than Chavez who is a STRONG now SMW as opposed to GGG who was beating up guys coming up from 154 “Ishida, Ouma, and Rosado”….

Posted June 3, 2014 2:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Squared Circle, the FACT is that Broner has gotten titles in those weight classes something that GGG has failed to do in terms of moving up divisions… The ONLY reason I mention it is the phony notion that he is a multiweight conqueror which he is NOT, he has NOT even taken over 160, the notion that he is a tiny MW is WEAK Sergio Martinez is a smaller man than him and that’s proven because Martinez came up from 147 to make a name for himself and become lineal Champ at 160…. GGG is a MW who’s team talks like he is ready to take on everyone under the sun yet when the smoke clears he is facing pedestrian comp at 160… He is NOT “A Small MW” when has he fought below that as a pro?

Posted June 3, 2014 2:49 pm 


laj

I agree Geale will likely take a beating, but he’s never been stopped before, and he is an action fighter, so let’s see what happens. It’s scheduled for the end of July, so we will know soon. I live in the San Jose Area, so we hear a lot about Ward, but most of it is on his legal issues and them holding him up to fight. Sad really as he is a real talent.

Posted June 3, 2014 1:41 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

laj: Good points about Ward and Geale. Much respect to Geale for finally stepping up and accepting a fight with 3G. He’s a really good MW and is about to prove that he’s got b@lls of steel. But he’s gonna take a brutal beating if he actually goes through with it. Should be an exciting fight regardless.

Posted June 3, 2014 1:24 pm 


laj

All the talk of a Ward fight is kind of a waste in time. He rarely fights these days, and seems intent on getting his legal issues behind him first. So any talk of anyone fighting him would be a gamble on that persons side. They would have to hurry up and wait for something that may never happen. Kind of like waiting for a David Haye fight. GGG may as well try and land Froch or Quillen or hope Martinez holds up and fights him, since Chavez already backed out, even the Geale fight should be fun. I wouldn’t target Ward, waste of time to wait.

Posted June 3, 2014 11:40 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

3G, a small MW who can easily make 154lbs, badly wanted to fight the much larger Chavez at 168lbs. Chavez made up some excuses and ducked. Froch just had a very impressive win over a pretty good boxer, but he openly admitted that he’ll totally avoid 3G. You can foam at the mouth all you want about his “weak” resume, but REAL fight fans know what’s really been going on. The poor guy has been avoided like the black plague for well over three years.

Maravilla, Chocolate and FMJ don’t want any part of 3G either.
You can’t beat the best and build a legendary resume if the best competition outright refuses to fight you. That B.S. is not allowed in the UFC for obvious reasons.

Posted June 3, 2014 11:03 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

SREDTARD: You have Adriena Broner on your Facebook page next to FMJ and Michael Jordan…LOL. Yet you have ZERO clue what titles he still holds…LMAO.

“The man has titles at 130, 135 and 147…”
Wrong, idiot! Broner NO LONGER holds titles at 130 or 135. Maidana took the WW title that he was gifted vs. Paulie. And the WW title he just picked up was the “vacant WBA International Super Lightweight” title — a mere pawn-shop trinket and FAR FROM a major title/belt.

But keep riding Broner’s sack like a rodeo queen and hoping for the best, because I guaran-F’in-tee you that he’ll get beat by the elites at 140 and 147lbs. If had any balls whatsoever he’d fight Provo or Matthysse next. But he’s too much of a cowardly pu$$y and everyone knows it but his blind fan boyz. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I’ve given you more lessons over the past 6 years than you received in 13 years of public school. I always get the last laugh on you because you’re my own personal whipping boy. My boy, SREDTARD.

Posted June 3, 2014 10:54 am 


SREDMOND

I agree that a strong performance against Jr would raise his stock fact is that Julio is NOT a walkover opponent and he is a HARD fighter the like of which GGG has not beat at this particular point.

Posted June 3, 2014 10:40 am 


SREDMOND

You say “Ward is a LHW on fight night” meanwhile Chavez Jr was a Cruiserweight fight night and that’s when he was at 160 so what would be the difference except we know that Ward is a BETTER fighter technically than Chavez Jr..Sergio Martinez was an OLD man facing a HUGE Chavez Jr who outweighs even Ward on fight night as far as I know.. Again I don’t see Golovkin as obligated but his fans are putting him out there as a lock to destroy everyone around and he is whining that his opportunities are not coming fast enough.. Jus say’in

Posted June 3, 2014 10:39 am 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, my only issue with your point on Golovkin is that his camp (Abel Sanchez) keeps selling him as a 3 weight destroyer yet he is NOT getting it on with the World Class of any division..He is willing to move up to face Chavez Jr which would have been a good test in my book but why not Ward? Again he is NOT obligated but if you are gonna whine that no one wants to fight and you are willing to fight anyone north or south then why not Ward at some point?

Posted June 3, 2014 10:32 am 


SREDMOND

LYING King it did NOT take Elite fighters to KO or stop Sergio Martinez, certainly not serial TKO victim Wlad Klits, Manny Pacquiao and a host of other boxers so whats your point? Broner lost to a legit World Class boxer and HARD azz after he moved up 4 weight classes (skipped) 140 and he STILL did not get stopped by Maidana who has stopped over 30 boxers… All the aforementioned fighters got STOPPED by guys who were not touted that highly at least Martinez got taken by Margo who at his best was a nightmare opponent with a CRAZY chin… So whats EXACTLY is your point? Do you REALLY think the guys you are sucking off ie Kovalev, and Golovkin are gonna go undefeated??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! None of them do unless you are the rarest of the rare ie Floyd Mayeweather who has gone 18 years absent a loss and will NEVER have known defeat during his boxing prime even if he got KOed tomorrow..

Posted June 3, 2014 10:30 am 


SREDMOND

LYING King AKA a CHUMP.. Adrien Broner is a damn good fighter and unlike Golovkin he did NOT talk about moving up divisions and doing damage he ACTUALLY did it!! The man has titles at 130, 135 and 147 what has GGG done EXCEPT say he would fight in multiple weight classes while he has ACTUALLY stayed at 160 feasting on Tomato cans and guys who came up from 154 like Ishida, Ouma, Rosado.. Broner showed TREMENDOUS heart in the ring with an animal like Maidana and was still bringing it in the latter rounds, time will tell where he ends up be he was NOBODIES KO victim and he sure as hell did not lay down.. GGG’s schedule is so light no one can really attest to what he is capable of at the World Class or Elite level unless you think Macklin was a big deal..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 3, 2014 10:25 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

throwing stones from the glass house:

Outstanding post!!! That’s 100% pure evidence of how wrong SREDMOND, PEEJ and B Red turned out to be about Adriena Broner. I remember those posts as clear as day because I was one of the guys making the argument that Broner was a grossly overrated hype-machine. I also made it clear that his shoddy defense was exposed by the tiny Rees and predicted that he’d get beat by the first elite fighter he faced at 140-147lbs.

Well, as it turns out….it didn’t even take an elite fighter to smash and humiliate Broner — the cocky little sh*t talker. Just took a hungry Argentine named Maidana who takes pride in humbling hyper-arrogant guys with big mouths. Chino says he owes it the fans to humble guys like Broner and FMJ — and that’s what Latino fans love about him. Do you Broner fan boyz still think he can beat Mattyhsse, Provo, Garcia, Thurman, Porter, PacMan and other top top-echelon fighters at 140-147bs??? Didn’t think so.

You same guys are going to be eating your words again when 3G finally gets a couple of world championship or marquee headliner fights and beats the brakes off his opponents. That includes Maravilla, FMJ, Quillen, Chavez, Froch and probably even Ward. So be mindful of what you say on ESB because someone is archiving your comments. And they’ll be used against you in the future to make you look like clueless novices who don’t know much about the science. Some guys have an astute eye for spotting legit world championship talent and some just don’t have it. It’s that simple.

Posted June 3, 2014 9:20 am 


RAYGORDON REID

yes

Posted June 3, 2014 7:00 am 


TARK

Boxtra says.., “Ward has more Defensive SKILLS than Golovkin. Edwin Rodriguez is BETTER than Curtis Stevens and he couldn’t touch Ward but Stevens touched Golovkin”

Rodriguez touched Ward.. Damn, even Abraham touched Ward.. Boone decked Ward.. Stevens didn’t hit Golovkin with anything telling.. GGG floored and stopped Stevens.. That’s 2 tihngs Ward failed to do to Rodriguez and Abraham.. Ward even failed to stop Alan Green.

Posted June 3, 2014 12:50 am 


piechucker

damn sredmond – that is some uncomfortable reading. looks like someone got caught hook, line and sinker

Posted June 2, 2014 10:37 pm 


piechucker

boxtra – so you haven’t got a pick wrong since rigo-donaire? really? do you need me to again remind you of your pick in the broner-maidana fight? do I again have to remind you what you posted the day after? coz id be happy to

Posted June 2, 2014 10:33 pm 


throwing stones from the glass house

SREDMOND

Broners EARLY tough fight with De Leon was 5 bouts ago and it was his first time in with a World Class boxer… The guy is 23 and his progress is frightening, face facts the Broner of today would blow the smaller De Leon out of the ring and guys like Ricky Burns are not even a challenge… Marquez would be awesome because he is literally the #2 technician in the sport but he would be confronted with youth, speed and talent in Broner (super matchup) Brandon Rios would be a bloody mask and likely TKOed it would be target practice…

SREDMOND

Broner is terrific and NO fighter is Barack Obama or he would likely be doing something other than fighting… This is boxing and personalities and deviance are going to abound, if you cannot expect puritanical conduct from the TOP General in the country then why expect it from a boxer? Personally I like that freedom sport allows people to become wealthy without abiding by every “mainstream ideal” you can put the fighter with the best manners and comportment in the ring with Broner at 135 if you want and he is going to LOSE.. This kid is gifted and he has obviously been working hard at his craft…

Posted November 20, 2012 12:41 pm

B Red

Broner is the truth and put together a masterpiece. He can dominate up to 147

SREDMOND

Rios would be beaten to within an inch of his life by Broner, this would be a Pacquiao/Margarito type fight… Broner is WAY too fast and sharp a puncher for a free swinger like Rios it would be another beatdown..I see Rios going down like Gatti did against Floyd Mayweather this is NOT a fight that Rios EVER wants… Totally different class of boxer…

Posted November 19, 2012 7:09 pm

SREDMOND

Burn 22, all boxers are some variation of other boxers, Broner stands out because the style employed by he Toney and Mayweather and to some degree Hopkins (Philly Shell) is NOT as widely used… The reality is that if you gave 100 boxers the challenge of being effective with that style you might have 0.5% actually be able to effectively implement… It works for Broner because he has the speed, reflexes and obvious committment to mastery…Reality is that Broner has taken ownership of this style, but he is more willing to exchange and is not letting anyone hear the bell who does not have to… He has NOT fought the quality of fighters Floyd has but he is out to hurt guys….

Posted November 19, 2012 3:42 pm

SREDMOND

Burn, clearly his style is modeled after Floyd Mayweather but the ability to EXECUTE is the differentiating factor… Broner is not in there just trying look like Floyd Mayweather he is beating fighters DOWN with skill and precision… If every guy in boxing could master that style, and hit and don’t get hit with relative impunity they would…I initially questioned Broners ability to consistently execute while fighting like Floyd, but just like a guy learning Tae Kwan Do, he has mastered a mode of combat and has made it his OWN….

Posted November 19, 2012 10:33 am

SREDMOND

The only reason you need to see this guy in with Garcia, or JMM ALREADY at age 23 is because he looks so damn unbeatable, NO ONE thought Demarco was anything but a tough out before he got destroyed on Sat… Thats revisionist and moving up weight classes is not something to be taken lightly… The guy is YOUNG and he has time to build a legacy properly, 135 may prove to be where he is comfortable, even though I doubt it… He and Donaire are blazing thru fighters in a manner that makes the naysayers uncomfortable… Some guys just have it

SREDMOND

Broner just had is FIRST fight at 135 and he took on the BEST guy available at the weight… That was a Championship fight and there were questions to be answered as to Broners grit and ability to handle a guy who keeps coming like Demarco does historically… Broner instead had a coming out party at Demarcos expense and let everyone know his skills were REAL, he is not a guy emulating Mayweather he is a guy dominating like Mayweather… Shane Mosely was used to imitate Floyd in sparring with ODH and ODH lost, and when Shane got in there with the Grandmaster he lost… Broner is the only guy I have seen employ that style to its proper effect in the tradition of Floyd and Toney in a LONG time, his ability to slip, roll and counter with speed are unreal…

Posted November 19, 2012 8:32 am

SREDMOND

Anyone who believes that the remaining relevant fighters at 135 and 140 would be able to best Broner had better 1) be blind 2) be part of the fighters immediate family or entourage 3) Be his promoter… I am loathe to anoint these fighters too soon but Broner is simply a special talent

Posted November 18, 2012 4:55 pm

PEEJ

Broner is the truth and in time yall will all see. Everybody is quick to judge but he doesn’t have that many fights. Yall need to wait until a bit longer in his career when he has had some more fights.

Posted February 4, 2013 12:45 am

SREDMOND

Matthysse would be lucky to make it to the final bell against Broner.

Posted January 17, 2013 3:16 pm

Posted June 2, 2014 10:30 pm 


throwing stones from the glass house

SREDMOND

Tark, YOU are part of the problem with Golovkin, trying to sell the guy as more than he has proven

i think it’s about time someone dug out sredmond’s broner’s a god posts. this fool’s hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Posted June 2, 2014 10:08 pm 


Mike Tyson

Dreams do come true

Richard Schaefer resigns as Golden Boy Promotions CEO
Lem Satterfield
June 2, 2014
Richard Schaefer, the CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, has announced that he is leaving the Los Angeles-based company that he helped start 10 years ago, according to a press release sent out on Monday.

“After more than 10 years with Golden Boy, it is time to move on to the next chapter of my career. This decision has required a great deal of personal reflection, but ultimately, I concluded that I have no choice but to leave,” read the release.

“I have succeeded in banking, and I have succeeded in boxing, and I look forward to the next opportunity. I am proud to remain a shareholder, so I have a strong interest in the continued success of the company. I am proud of what we have accomplished at Golden Boy, but I now look forward to new challenges.”

Schaefer said he could not add any more to his comments, citing the advice of his attornies.

“The statement says it all,” Schaefer told RingTV.com. “I’m going to be evaluating my options. It was just time to move on.”

Showtime’s Stephen Espinoza declined comment.

The announcement, which was first posted on the website Fighthype.com, did not state if Schaefer plans to continue to work as a promoter in the boxing business.

Posted June 2, 2014 9:44 pm 


Gus

Long arms do not determine a good jabber, there is some advantage in having long arms , but good timing is more important. And on another subject when are these announcers get off with the automatic 10 to 8 when very questionable knockdown is scored . The punch that scored the knockdown should be counted as just another hit and only counted as a knockdown if the blow was a solid hit. A 10 to 8 score is hard to overcome in a short fight.

Posted June 2, 2014 8:04 pm 


Boxtradamus

The BEST Fight that can be made right now is Ward vs. Kovalev. They’re both on HBO and in each other’s weight range. And they’re both PRIME ELITE Boxers. BEST in their Divisions. Its the most competitive ELITE Fight that can be made at this time. Martinez vs. GGG is another GOOD one as is either of them against Canelo. Out of all these Ward vs. Kovalev is the SUPER Fight.

Posted June 2, 2014 7:45 pm 


laj

GGG has good skills and power, but Ward is a master at what he does, and I can’t see GGG beating him. Unlike someone said though GGG would be the stronger man, don’t confuse size with strength in this case. GGG has better muscle mass, whereas Ward has better twitch muscles. GGG is stronger and will hit harder, but that doesn’t do much good if you can’t land the clean punches.

Posted June 2, 2014 6:58 pm 


SREDMOND

Golovkin is EXACTLY the type of Euro fighter that Ward has made a career out of taking to school.. Besides serious power at 160 what does GGG have that Ward cannot neutralize? Froch is tough as nails and Ward wore him OUT… Golovkin would get taken to school and he would be the physically weaker man in the ring… I hope this fight happens it would really kill this “GGG can beat ANYONE via KO” even though most of his comp is sub World Class argument.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:53 pm 


Boxtradamus

Ward has more Defensive SKILLS than Golovkin. Edwin Rodriguez is BETTER than Curtis Stevens and he couldn’t touch Ward but Stevens touched Golovkin….Ward would WIN a CLEAR decision over Golovkin by getting hit MUCH LESS. Golovkin would land a FEW clean shots but it will not amount to the incoming fire. Ward by DEFENSIVE MASTERPIECE UD.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:42 pm 


SREDMOND

GGG should NOT have as much confidence in his skills his roster of opponents are a “whos who of who the hell is that guy” as opposed to a slew of World Champions and HOFers that Mayweather regularly makes look like regional fighters.. We are discussing one of the GREAT fighters in the history of the sport GGG deserves NO mention in that discussion because he beat Matthew Macklin and Gabriel Rosado.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:39 pm 


Boxtradamus

GGG doesn’t want to face Ward which is all that I need to KNOW. HE knows his OWN limitations IF his fans DON’T. Ward is only ONE division UP and he is rated HIGHER than GGG and he won’t face him. In contrast Floyd is a natural 147 lbers but he WILL go UP to beat the TOP 154lber IF the money is RIGHT. De la Hoya, Cotto, and Canelo agree with ME on that. GGG doesn’t have as much confidence in his SKILLS as Floyd DOES.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:30 pm 


Boxtradamus

The History of the Sport shows us that SKILLS is GREATER than PRIME. SO the OPINION that Floyd hasn’t faced a GREAT PRIME Boxer is irrelevant. He faced most of the Top rated Fighters of his era. He faced more Top rated Fighters in 13 consecutive Fights than this World has ever SEEN. Compared to Floyd these other guys don’t even scratch the surface. Actually Not Lara, not Thurman, not Porter, and not Pacquiao can claim to be a PRIME GREAT Boxer. SO facing them is irrelevant according to TARK’s logic. Because after he SCHOOLS them or SPANKS them he will still not have faced a PRIME GREAT Boxer……SO lets stop discussing these guys and focus on finding a PRIME GREAT Boxer. Rigondeaux, Ward, Kovalev and Wlad are the only PRIME GREAT Boxers in the Sport. None of them are in Floyd’s weight range. SO there’s nothing left for Floyd to accomplish except take the MW Championship. He’s already #1 in 2 divisions. Stake another claim in History by becoming rated #1 in 3.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Turbo, I agree Wilder looks like a stiff with power to me nothing impressive, but AGAIN GGG looks good against a certain caliber of boxer I don’t see otherworldly skill, he is hittable he looks like a good European style boxer but until that skill yields results against Top Comp he is being overrated at this point..Remember his BEST opponent was stopped 2x prior and fairly recently by Martinez…

Posted June 2, 2014 5:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, if Porter, Thurman and Lara are “so deserving and dangerous” then why is the public not interested in these fights? I barely hear even hardcore guys really trumpeting these guys and AGAIN you said that you judge GGG by “how he looks” yet you are after Mayweather based on some fighters you handpicked as GREAT? How does this work exactly? silly question because double standards really just don’t work period..

Posted June 2, 2014 5:17 pm 


SREDMOND

AGAIN Golovkin is supposed to be willing to fight ANYONE in 3 or 4 weight classes yet he consistently ends up in the ring with weak opposition… The excuses have run dry until the man PROVES he can batter upper tier fighters he is another guy with a padded resume looking good just like Deontay Wilder…

Posted June 2, 2014 5:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, GGG’s defenses are against nobodies for the most part and trying hand him KO wins against Quillin and Martinez is simply MORE extension of credit he did not earn! Martinez is the rightful champ at 160 and at 39 taking a BIG fight with Cotto for big money is sound for his financial future…GGG has been facing NON World Level Comp and is being treated like he is a lineal Champ when he is NOT…

Posted June 2, 2014 5:13 pm 


Turb0-H@mster doing science

Wilder is VERY different. Aside from the fact WIlder is clumsy and can`t box, he waited 6 years for Vitali to retire and chose that EXACT moment to decide he could step up, and precisely then the WBC scum set up the easiest possible route for him.

Golovkin has been targetting the #1-3 in his division for YEARS, he became mandatory they dropped belts, he won a belt looked to unify they refuse. He WANTS the fights, but it`s harder for him to build the finanical muslce behind him because he is an American.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark not a SINGLE guy you mentioned qualifies as “A Great Prime boxer” so really you are just spouting off… Canelo has proven MORE than Thurman, Brook or Porter so whats REALLY your criteria ASIDE from your dry old fingers clattering on the keyboard?

Posted June 2, 2014 5:11 pm 


TARK

As far as Floyd goes… I’ve always said he was the GOAT. I knew he was great when he had 10 fights.

That doesn’t mean Floyd shouldn’t fight the most deserving and dangerous opponents — who might nail his tail to the canvas. Floyd has never faced a great prime boxer … and it doesn’t look like he wants to.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:44 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., Gennady Golovkin is a world champion with many successful title defenses to his credit. The only reason GGG hasn’t smashed Martinez and Quillin TFO, is he hasn’t had an opportunity to fight them.

A lot of heavyweights aren’t anxious to fight Wilder either… He’s big, strong, tall, rangy, fast, dynamite punching, and a little crazy… That right hand comes down on you pretty hard, regardless of Wilder’s skill level, which is hardly great at this point. He hasn’t had the rounds.

He doesn’t have one tenth the amateur experience Golovkin has –and so Deontay needs many more pro fights to round out his natural skills and abilities… But these coward contenders aren’t giving him the chance to get those needed fights… Boxing is the one sport where a dangerous athlete can go without an opportunity until he starts fading into the woodwork.

Sonny Liston spent many years in prison so he didn’t have a lot of years to wait… but Patterson made him wait… and wait… and wait… The longer he waited, the more Liston hated Patterson. That’s an explosive situation when this business gets personal. Patterson was one of the most frightened looking fighters I’ve ever seen. He looked like Malik Scott when that bell rang.

When Deontay gets his chances, somebody may pay.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, I ask AGAIN if opponents don’t matter then why are you declaring Lara, Brook, Thurman and whomever you can think of as “must fight opponents” for FMJ????? explain this obvious contradiction? If you are such an expert then why not just judge Mayweather on these attributes outside of his competitors that you have discussed below? Tark is evading!

Posted June 2, 2014 4:24 pm 


Anonymous

Slim i was wrong.

TARK is in zu zu land , ECAT is busy suck!ng David Gaye’s

d!ck in another boxing forum and rob is not here. ROFL

Posted June 2, 2014 4:16 pm 


TARK

Floyd93 says.., “You always write x lost to y / x beat y”

That’s only for all you amateurs who can’t judge fighters strictly on their observable skills, conditioning, strength, smarts, temperament, and demeanor.

Wins and losses tell a story. The major story is raw ability, skills, and style matchup

Foreman was the obvious pick to beat Frazier, though he hadn’t beaten anyone.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, YOU are part of the problem with Golovkin, trying to sell the guy as more than he has proven… AGAIN how does he differ from Deontay Wilder EXCEPT he has a piece of a title?

Posted June 2, 2014 4:01 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark is a bonafide LIAR!! He says that he “does NOT evaluate boxers based on who they fought” yet he is all over Mayweather suddenly because he wants him in with “Good fighters like Porter, Lara, Thurman and Kell Brook” So Tark explain how GGG is exempt from his competition being questioned YET an 18 year Vet like Mayweather with MORE accolades than GGG has teeth in his head has to fight certain competitors??? AGAIN you are CLEARLY full of it and flip flopping because folks are calling you out.

Posted June 2, 2014 3:59 pm 


I got it

Both artices from Phanco on the front page just reminded me why I don’t come to ESB anymore. So unprofessionnal (BIAS) Thanks.

Posted June 2, 2014 3:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, these guys believe GGG’s press WAYYYYYY too much he says he will fight anyone from 154 to 168 YET we only have seen him at 160 facing guys that are coming up from 154 sometimes Ishida, Ouma, Rosado or guys that are just opponents like Stevens or the guy from Morocco..Carl Froch is a 4x World Champion who has ONLY lost to other decorated World Champs one guy who is #2 on the P4P list having cleaned out the division (Ward)… GGG’s best win is a banged up Macklin who was stopped 2x prior once by Martinez and to my recollection was NEVER a World Champion.. Carl Froch has fought Andre Ward, Mikkell Kessler 2x, Bute, Pascal, Dirrell and others I am the first to say that he has not looked stellar or won all his contests but his level of opposition makes Golovkins look like a rank amateur… Chavez Jr is also a TOUGH kid who is not gonna go quietly, people may be shocked when GGG’s power does not stop Jr in his tracks its SOOOOO easy to believe these guys are NEVER gonna stop knocking people out but that is simply foolhardy, if that’s the case then I might as well proclaim Deontay Wilder as one of the Greatest of All Time…

Posted June 2, 2014 3:56 pm 


Rustybucket

Golovkin is not big or strong enough to beat Froch.
A good big one beats a good small one.

Posted June 2, 2014 3:37 pm 


Floyd93

TARK that’s a big fat lie!

“I evaluate boxers on how good they are. NOT on whom they fought.”

You always write x lost to y / x beat y / ..

Posted June 2, 2014 3:20 pm 


Floyd93

“I evaluate boxers on how good they are. NOT on whom they fought.”

TARK that’s a big fat lie!

You always write x lost to y / x beat y / ..

Posted June 2, 2014 3:20 pm 


Boxtradamus

FYI-Junior was not afraid to face Golovkin. Arum tried to bait him into signing a contract extension instead of becoming a free agent as a condition for getting the Fight. Junior WISELY declined. IF you can become a free agent you always test it and see what you’re worth. The promoter will drop you quicker than a hot piece of coal when you’re not making him money SO you should treat him the SAME way when there’s someone out there who is offering you MORE. Its called being a businessman.

Posted June 2, 2014 3:06 pm 


TARK

SANITY.., I evaluate boxers on how good they are. NOT on whom they fought.

Can they box? Can they punch? Can they defend? Can they move well? Are they fast, balanced, experienced, conditioned, smart, hard working, and confident? I have a good eye for all the above.

Joe Frazier was a massive favorite to beat George Foreman. Based on the fact he beat Ali. I laughed all the way to the bank at that awful logic. Foreman hadn’t fought anyone and he wasn’t a good boxer — but logic and knowable facts screamed that George was going to murder Frazier in a one-sided slaughter.

Joe was sullen in training camp. Why was that? If you expect to win you’re a happy camper. Often a fighter senses his impending doom. His comportment and body language sends clues.

Golovkin hasn’t had the opponents because they don’t want to get knocked out. Chavez got cold feet as well—but Chavez was perfectly willing to fight Martinez at 160. That tells you a lot. If Golovkin were an American, he would be way ahead of where he’s at right now.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:39 pm 


clesshawn

I don’t think RJ is the best fight analyst. He’s been KO’d too much to have an objective opinion. Let’s be honest, the job of the HBO commentators first and foremost is to build up the HBO rising stars, and they have always been that way. That’s why I like the Showtime commentators so much more…very open minded and objective and I think Maggliani is the boxer commentator other than Andre Ward. GGG IS NOT PROVEN..PERIOD!!!!. How many times have we see rising stars look good with knockout power beat up these tomato cans, and as soon as they move up against true world class fighters, they look vulnerable and beatable and then the hype goes away. I think JCC, Ward, Froch, and even Groves will give GGG a run for their money, and I believe Ward and Froch will easily beat GGG!!1

Posted June 2, 2014 1:58 pm 


piechucker

gonzo=blah=blah

1. gonzo is indeed funny
2. gonzo is not dmx
3.there are 2 famous self indulgent trolls on esb, those being the sick freaks hecdog and boxtraanus/correctamundo

Posted June 2, 2014 1:12 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Abel Sanchez, on the Pugilist Corner last night said he thought a fight between GGG and Froch would go 12 rounds. Clearly Sanchez has no doubt about Froch’s abilities.”

Keep in mind that Sanchez is trying to get a fight with Froch, so he wants to make it sound like Froch has a good shot at winning. He’s a smart man and thinks before he speaks, so perhaps that was his way of trying to lure Froch in and take the bait. Abel was also giving Froch his due respect after a nice win. Just because Sanchez said that, it doesn’t mean that he truly believes it in his heart of hearts. (Based on other interviews I’ve seen with Sanchez, he likely believes that 3G can beat anyone in the world from 154-168lbs.)

Posted June 2, 2014 12:52 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

TARK: But I do agree with your comment, “Froch likes to back people up, so fighting GGG would not be fun for him … Carl would get stopped.” Froch’s defense has plenty of holes in it and 3G would know how to target and hit those holes with bombs.

Chavez just ducked 3G and Froch just openly admitted that he’ll avoid him as well. Enough said. TEAM GGG has been having a tremendously difficult time getting fights with class-A fighters and other champions for close to 4 years. You can say that Golovkin’s resume is somewhat devoid of top competition, but that’s ONLY because the best competition outright refuses to fight him. Maravilla has been ducking him for three years or more and Chocolate has been ducking for at least two years. I was a huge Martinez fan, but it’s real hard for me to respect him when he’s been ducking 3G for this long.

Picking a fight with blown-up WW Cotto instead is not all that impressive IMO. But yeah….I expect Maravilla to win — even though he’s like 39 years old.

Abel is a smart man and he chooses his words wisely.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:45 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Reach does matter in some match-ups like Tyson vs. Lewis, as Lennox had a 13″ reach advantage. Plus little Mike was like 7″ shorter and at least 15lbs lighter — naturally the much smaller man. Tyson didn’t have snowballs chance and he knew it. Probably the reason why he avoided LL for so long.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:08 pm 


SREDMOND

You guys handing GGG KO victories over TOP LEVEL 168 pound fighters are LAZY and drinking the Koolaid… Golovkins schedule has been largely devoid of World Class competition so saying he will stop Froch or other top boxers at the weight is being based on his success with guys who originated at 154 or were not real players at 160… Golovkin is gonna get TESTED, all fighters do he is gonna have guys who don’t wilt when he punches and guys who punch back, Carl Froch could EASILY be one of those guys and so could Julio Caesar Chavez who has a serious chin and can punch… If Mike Tyson who accomplished a TON more than GGG can eventually be felled in the midst of a KO streak (Buster Douglas) then stop believing that Golovkin cannot be taken… At 168 Ward eats him alive and even this version of Froch is gonna put some hurt on him… The MINUTE this guy has a hard night you fools are gonna turn on him QUICK and trust me its gonna come…

Posted June 2, 2014 12:04 pm 


Adrian

Mbusiel, if ggg has only those attributes then all athletes from every sport that have those attributes but no boxing skills they should box and become champions …

Posted June 2, 2014 10:46 am 


Jody

Why doesn’t Ward and GG fight each other if they are both so good? Anyone can make mistakes, including Ward and GG and you don’t want to make them when you have someone with Froch’s power throwing bombs at you.

Posted June 2, 2014 10:43 am 


Mbuyiseli

GGG has a good chin and good power that’s about it.

Posted June 2, 2014 6:48 am 


bill

the posters on here that say and think golovkin beats froch are living in cloud cuckoo cuckoo land. golovkin would not last 6 rounds with froch, the same posters on here were saying the exact same thing about lucian bute being the best thing since sliced bread!! golovkin has the perfect style for froch , yes he,s got heavy hands at 160 but so did arthur abraham , and the same people overhyped him like golovkin now. lets see how good golovkin is if? and when he meets froch , if golovkins team are smart they avoid froch like the great plague, if not he gets ktfo within 6 rounds.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:58 am 


Beard

Another fanboy article by talentless hack Bill Phaco or should I say Rob Smith? Both equally as awful as each other

Posted June 2, 2014 5:36 am 


SANITY

Andre Ward has 3 different types of jab and executes them all perfectly from a technical standpoint Tark . He is also a left hander.

Ward can also fight off the back foot unlike Golovkin and is the best infighter in the sport.

He also has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Golovikin. You never change Tark. Red herrings and semantics are your modus operandi.

As highly as I rate Ward he hasnt been doing any fighting lately and may well already be past his best due to a chronic shoulder injury.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:21 am 


SANITY

Clinching has always been a part of pro boxing .

It is an art form .

One day you will understand , Turbo.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:14 am 


SANITY

Your avoiding my main point. Who has GGG beaten to warrant all the current hype , Tark?

That Ukrainian kid Lomachenko was supposed to be the second coming of Willie Pep yet lost to old Salido .

I am not saying GGG isnt a very good fighter but he is very inexperienced in many ways as a pro and he is also over 30.

Curtis Stevens is not Carl Froch , Tark. Hes not even friggen Arthur Abraham . Ouma was a has been who was never top level.

Middleweight is a wasteland and has been for a while. On the other hand 168 has been one of the better divisons in boxing.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:13 am 


Turb0-H@mster doing science

Finesse and clinching do not belong in the same sentence.

The meaning of finesse is: Impressive delicacy and skill.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:09 am 


TARK

Reach doesn’t matter… skill does.

Andre Ward has very short arms for his height. He out-jabs everyone he fights by a wide margin — including Edwin Rodriguez and Carl Froch who had much longer reaches.

Short arms give you better leverage and allow you to press your opponent more consistently. You’re in ideal punching range and your opponent is trying to create more space — so he’s never really comfortable if you keep on him constantly like Golovkin does.

Your opponent always looks like he’s running. That’s why people hate to fight GGG — even very short, powerful guys like Stevens. Gennady runs over you.

Golovkin wears everyone he fights out… After 8 rounds they can barely stand up if anybody can go that far. Stevens did and his corner saw he was dead blown out … and they stopped it.

Better that than end up on your back like Groves. Groves cannot take steady pressure at all — because he can’t defend well, or clinch with any finesse.. Froch likes to back people up, so fighting GGG would not be fun for him … Carl would get stopped.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:56 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Actually 3G is 5’10 1/2″ and Froch has a 75″ reach. So a wingspan advantage of 5″ is not nearly as much as it sounds because that’s only 2.5″ per arm. But that does not account for differences in width of chest and torso, so the 2.5″ advantage per arm may be closer to a 2″ advantage per arm.

2″ is not nearly enough of a difference to give Froch a significant reach advantage over 3G — especially considering his experience and elite skill-set. However, Froch is the naturally larger man because 3G is actually a skinny, small MW who can make 154lbs.

It would be a very entertaining match-up, but I don’t think it will ever happen. If it does, I would predict 3G to win because his technique is close to perfect and he has thunderous power in both hands that would carry over to Super MW.

BTW….please disregard the silly comments below that are attached to my alias/handle. Clearly that wasn’t me — it was just one of my secret admirers.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:59 pm 


SANITY

GGG is only 5-10 with a 70 inch reach. Froch is 6 ft 1 with a 76 inch reach.

GGGS opposition doesnt read well. Ouma had already lost 5 of his 7 previous fights when he fought GGG.

Adama had already lost to the mediocre Geale and in his next fight had a life n deat struggle with Grady Brewer. He then beat a clubfighter and got a shot at GGG.

Curtis Stevens is about the same level as the American guy DeGeale stopped yesterday.

Ishida is a club fighter. Imagine Hagler or Monzon fighting him .

Rosado is also mediocre at best.

Froch has been fighting much better and much bigger men than GGG.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:40 pm 


SANITY

GGG is getting pretty overhyped for a guy over 30 who has basically fought cans.

I am old enough to have seen a LOT of fighters who look like ATGs until they actually face a live , prime , hungry opponent of high class.

Golovkin may well be a gun but a great amateur career , an alphabet title and a lot of hype does not maketh a great pro fighter.

Put it this way , Froch and Groves would both be VERY short favourites if they fought Matthew Macklin.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:26 pm 


TARK

He’s not fat, he’s big. For a super middle. Also a poor defender

Posted June 1, 2014 7:21 pm 


SLIM

@Anonymous…yes he is. Too bad I like him…have a nice day.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:44 pm 


Anonymous

chavez jr is a fat pot smoker.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:27 pm 


TARK

Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson made Roy pay for his mistakes.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:27 pm 


Informer

Groves won most of the first rounds and was probably ahead at the time of the stoppage. But I don’t think it was because Groves was particularly good. It just looked to me that Froch has lost a step. He I think Father time is catching up with him. Groves looked a bit wild. Froch is even more open for a left hook than a straight right. This was a great win for Froch. Where does he go from here? Kovalev would not be wise at all. Nobody wants to see another Ward fight. Give the fans what they want to see. He should fight GGG in a big PPV fight, make his money and retire. No shame in losing to GGG.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:07 pm 


Informer

GGG might as well move up and fight Froch. I personally believe the top 3 boxers from the ESPN middleweight tourney are the next best in the middleweight division, (Tourney champ, runner-up, and Russian who the Champ defeated). Then there is Quillian. I think Martinez is too old an too injured. Martinez of 4 years ago was the best in the division, but it is time for him to turn in the gloves. Can’t keep fighting Cotto’s of ther world and be a serious MW champ. I think Froch GGG is the best fight out there. Ward could still beat Froch and GGG, it the most boring fashion imagineable that no one wants to see. I too think GGG has the edge against Froch, but he will have to fight smart. Froch methodically backs his opponent against the ropes where he cant run and unloads on him. I think Froch would just take too much punishment if he comes forward against GGG.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:59 pm 


Fedor

Ya’ll must’ve forgot

Posted June 1, 2014 5:42 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Sure GGG would exploit Froch’s mistakes like dropping his left hand, he’s an underrated boxer. But GGG should just fight anyone at 160 who’s willing. He was only going at 168 because Chavez Jr brings big box office. Froch doesn’t in the USA though if they did it in England it’d do well. Stay busy, defend the title and eventually the money comes.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:37 pm 


Riviera

GGG would severely destroy Froch..but so will Chavez-

Posted June 1, 2014 5:37 pm 


Hecdog

SLIM my friend, I do wan’t to see the top guys fight him. i do think he has the tools to beat them, and the only way to find out is to put them in. Unfortunately, money, greed and those slimy promoters always mess things up.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:27 pm 


GingerWhinger

Froch would beat little Golovkin,look at the quality of Froch opponents,then tell me the best opponent GGG has faced,macklin? kasim Ouma had no problem tagging GGG all night,he just didn’t have enough pop.As for Ward,if he ever manned up and left the USA to fight,he’d probably get beat by Froch,due to Ward not having the ref etc in his pocket turning a blind eye to all the illegal butting,elbows,grappling etc that Ward’s game depends on for success.
Froch is where the money is at 168,all roads lead to the Cobra now.If Ward wants to make some decent money,he can get on a plane.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:25 pm 


Anonymous

Hamster

Is that you TARK? We have caught you doing this before.

really? aka who ??? lol

Posted June 1, 2014 4:29 pm 


Turb0-H@mster doing science

Hmmmmmm……you claim to be a Brit but use Americanized spelling.

Is that you TARK? We have caught you doing this before.

Or Maybe SREDMOND/Public Enemy……you tired of getting roasted?

Posted June 1, 2014 4:27 pm 


mark

GGG v Froch is the only fight out there at 168lbs. Ward is irrelevant. I’d tip froch based on experience and durability. Has GGG been in with anyone? Macklin doesnt count!

Posted June 1, 2014 4:21 pm 


Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Yeah, Yeah loser….Bait not taken…Why don’t you continue playing with yourself…You know the same as yesterday and the day before that etc.etc.etc

Yawn…

Posted June 1, 2014 4:17 pm 


Gonzo = mephisto = Turbo H@mster = Mongrelenko = Anonymous = DMX = It’s me, Ernie = Killing Moon The Soothsayer

its very surprising that they give you so much internet access from the confines of your mental institution…..clearly you have all the time in the world on your hands because you dont have a job, a girlfriend, friends, or a social life……

youre crazier than a sh1t house rat, nuttier than a squirrel turd, and posting on ESB using dozens of different monikers is the closest thing youll ever have to a social life……its extremely pathetic and I do feel deeply sorry for you…….hopefully youll finally find the right cocktail of meds that will help to stabilize and normalize you

by they way…….how to do you type so fast when your bound by a straight jacket?? thats simply amazing!! the other boys in the looney bin should start calling you Harry Houdini…lmfao

Posted June 1, 2014 4:10 pm 


Turb0-H@mster the Mongrel

Turbo hamster is the mongrel. I make no secret about that. A mongrel is not a pure breed, but often has more fight in them for being a bit of a mix. GIven the 1.8L Twin turbo engine I have attached, I might be considered more a of a cyborg, but I prefer Mongrel. I`ll flitter between the two dependent on whether I feel in attack mode or not.

I am not Gonzo though. There is only one gonzo and one tier one.

I am not Ernie, or DMX, or anonymous.

I do attack TARK though because he is a belligerant lying old coot.

He tells a lie like “Scott’s team never chatellenged the Chisora KO”, and you can point him directly to the link where the BBBC addresses the complaint that WAS made, and he ignores it and keep asserting it.

He`ll assert that RJJ accidentally took a roid that wasn`t listed on the Ripped Fuel label. Yet you can easily look at the FDA label and see they did say it was in there.

He tells us British fans were going to fill a stadium to watch Froch-Calzaghe, British fans all tell him they wouldn`t because Froch hadn`t done enough at that time, and he just goes on baldly asserting it.

Pick any fighter he doesn`t like and he always say “Their stance needs years of work, they have no jab, they ducked bla blah, and they lost to the first good boxer they ever fought”.

He`s a mental old cook.

Joe Herron however I have no problem with. DOn`t always agree with him, but he is 100 times the superior to a decrepit old grave-dodging lier like TARK.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:04 pm 


Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Gonzo = mephisto = Turbo H@mster = Mongrelenko = Anonymous = DMX = It’s me, Ernie :

…Right…Why don’t you just check that…Chump…Laughable…Don’t trip on your way out of cyberspace…Because you’re in la-la land and there is some rabbit-holes not suited for people weighed down by massive paranoia…

Posted June 1, 2014 3:58 pm 


SLIM

@Hecdog…GGG is a bad muthaf#cka!!!! No doubt. But who has he really fought?? Before we crown him lets see him get it on with “Maravilla” the reigning middle weight champion. Who will raise his hands on Saturday. Have a nice day…

Posted June 1, 2014 3:55 pm 


Gonzo = mephisto = Turbo H@mster = Mongrelenko = Anonymous = DMX = It’s me, Ernie = Killing Moon The Soothsayer

after reading that post is was painfully obvious that the only poster who would go to such extensive lengths to defend Gonzo is Gonzo himself…….thats crystal clear

Posted June 1, 2014 3:39 pm 


Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Gonzo = mephisto = Turbo H@mster = Mongrelenko = Anonymous = DMX = It’s me, Ernie :

1) Gonzo is funny
2) I’ve always known him to be nothing but civil(As much as can be expected from a degenerate) Except to the real Pariahs of this site …Do I even have to mention any names…We all know them.. Bullys,Spammers,Nuthuggers or those here to rile up stupid sh!t out of boredom ex. I’m the greatest box.. etc etc or discussing Klitschko vs Lewis on every board …I have absolutely no probs with him going after them. In fact I wanna encourage him and say: Job well done..

3) Tark ? Tark …? That dude is a self-confessed trainer who knows squat about boxing Examples …Newest one.. Kessler has poor tecnique and lack of fundamentals..(Really????) another example of his stupidity is judging every former boxing-legend skill when they were over the hill….Ex. Ali vs Holmes ,Ali vs Spinks etc,etc,etc…And talking about squats I wouldn’t trust that dude teaching me the basics of boxing at the fitnesscenter he works for free at every sunday teaching Fitnessboxing to women and men who just wanna lose a couple of pounds..

4) What’s the worst saying you’re the best poster on a messageboard or actually being annoyed of that claim….”Wink” Get a life…

5) Gonzo is funny

6) Gonzo is funny

7) Gonzo is…nah…I think i’ve made my point.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:09 pm 


Hecdog

Roy Jones Jr. is 100% right. GGG is a machine that can fight you in any area. 154 to 175 will all get beat by this man. Those that understand the fight game see that GGG is a true great fighter that trains and fights non stop. His tremendous amateur pedigree makes him a well rounded experienced fighter against all styles. His sparring with fighters like Chavez Jr, Kovalev and Canelo speak volumes of how good this guy is. When the Chavez fight was first mentioned, I said I would not be surprised when it doesn’t happen because Chavez did not want anything to do with GGG. Kovalev was trounced all over the ring when he sparred with GGG. And Canelo found out how good GGG is. Froch would be stopped within 8 rounds, and I mean stopped. I don’t understand why some fans can’t see greatness in GGG. If Ward fights him, he will be knocked out in the later rounds. Keep watching GGG and try and pick him apart and think he’s going to lose, and none will happen. GGG is a true fighter that is always in great condition, applies smart pressure, takes away his opponents strengths and breaks you down physically and mentally. Look for GGG to continue improving and beating everyone in these higher weight classes.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:54 pm 


boxing barlow

I all seriousness though Frochs stock is that high in the UK at the moment if you brought a game opponent like GGG over I wouldn’t be suprised if he could sell out a football stadium and make fighter way more money than either would get fighting in the states. For those from America on here do you think Froch vrs GGG pay per view would sell in the same way it would in the uk? You have got to take into account a lot of uk fans wouldn’t buy the pay per view if it was in the states because of the time.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:34 pm 


Jb221

How about froch fight kovalev

Posted June 1, 2014 2:27 pm 


Gonzo = mephisto = Turbo H@mster = Mongrelenko = Anonymous = DMX = It’s me, Ernie

this immature bloke is the worst serial multi posting troll this web site has ever seen….. Gonzo, mephisto, Turbo H@mster, Mongrelenko, Anonymous, DMX, It’s Me, Ernie…..are only a several out of the dozens of monikers this sad loser uses on a daily basis…….hes like a cyber terrorist who specializes in attacking the best commenters on ESB like Joseph Herron and TARK……

then when hes having his delusions of grandeur claims to be the #1 best poster in history of the internet…..this boy is a very sick chap with no social life and needs to be locked up in a padded room with a straight jacket……calling him funny only encourages this mentally deranged troll to flood this site with pure rubbish……

ESB was once one of the most respectable boxing forums in the world until this relentless troll ruined it like just another toilet at his institution for the the criminally insane…….as a Brit is makes me very ashamed to see one of my countrymen sabotaging the once great ESB…….its very sad really……

Posted June 1, 2014 2:14 pm 


GingerWhinger

Popkins-i agree froch can be outboxed,but to beat him you have to outbox him AND last 12 rounds.Outboxing an opponent for 7 rounds is worthless if in round 8 you get knocked out badly,like Groves did.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:09 pm 


Hoity Toity

This article was written by a right article!

Posted June 1, 2014 1:51 pm 


Anonymous

david price and nathan cleverly.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:46 pm 


Anonymous

Rapid

People that don’t think GGG would be strong enough at 68 need to watch the video of him sparring lt. heavys and heavyweights.. last camp he was in the only one left that would spar with him was a heavyweight… sent two light heavya to the hospital with broken ribs.. that’s with 20 ounce gloves on!! Dude is a freak of nature.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:04 pm

Who are the Light Heavies he hospitalised? Names and pro records please?

Posted June 1, 2014 1:26 pm 


Macho Gabacho

Yeah, I know. I know…

Posted June 1, 2014 12:53 pm 


Anonymous

i see jones still has the keys to his old chemist shop.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:42 pm 


Popkins

Courtesy of Mark from another thread…..

judge: Michael Pernick 68-65 Groves
judge: David Singh 66-67 Froch
judge: Alejandro Lopez Cid 66-67 Froch.

In actual fact the judges were split, 2 to 1 in favour of Froch. But regardless, these cards prove how close the official judges were scoring it.

Courtesy of Mark from another thread…..

Posted June 1, 2014 12:24 pm 


Rapid

Macho…. That makes too much sense.. In a perfect boxing world, it would already have happened!! We can only hope!

Posted June 1, 2014 12:14 pm 


Macho Gabacho

How does this sound? Golovkin fights winner of Martinez vs Cotto to unify the middleweight belts, while Froch and Ward fight to unify the super-middle belts. Then Golovkin (assuming he wins) moves up to fight the winner of Froch vs Ward. Unified middleweight champ vs unified super-middleweight champ. Makes sense to me.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:06 pm 


Rapid

People that don’t think GGG would be strong enough at 68 need to watch the video of him sparring lt. heavys and heavyweights.. last camp he was in the only one left that would spar with him was a heavyweight… sent two light heavya to the hospital with broken ribs.. that’s with 20 ounce gloves on!! Dude is a freak of nature.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:04 pm 


Macho Gabacho

Golovkin would make the most exciting fight, but Ward at Wembley would be interesting. Assuming Ward would ever go to England, how would he do in a very hostile environment? He’ll always be more skillful than Froch, but how would he handle that extra pressure? They are both title holders, and with Ward being ranked #2 p4p, I would think Froch would love a shot at a rematch. If Froch were to find a way to beat Ward, he would have beaten every man he’s faced, something very few fighters in history can say.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:53 am 


Demon

Once Jones was caught on the PED’s he was finished as a fighter. He ducked Steve Collins for 15 years and is still duckin him LOL

Posted June 1, 2014 11:48 am 


Popkins

So Groves was more accurate during the fight, landed more punches, and two of the three judges had him winning the fight prior to the KO …. Congratulations to Froch – it was a fine KO. ….But not the dominating kind of victory the British papers and Sky TV will brainwash you into believing.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:37 am 


Boxtradamus

Froch WON by Nottingham NASTY knockout just as I predicted! !!!!!! I am STILL the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born! !!!!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 11:23 am 


Popkins

I admit I’m not a Froch fan. But if I was, I still wouldn’t want him to fight Chavez. Carl will get no credit from serious boxing fans for beating a blown up middleweight, a mediocre aplhabet champ like Julio. And if Froch was to lose (unlikely, but possible), he will get crushed by all his critics. Chavez may offer the Vegas lights, but he is a potential banana skin fight for the Cobra. No real dent would be put in his career if he lost to talents like GGG and Ward. But if he somehow won, his place in British boxing history would go through the roof.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:23 am 


Popkins

@dan…. and who had Groves fought? Lol. He’d had less than 20 fights and was barely in the top 10 prior to fighting Froch. And JC Chavez?! What, like one fight at Super middle against a journeyman? Nobody ever thought Chavez was a force to be reckoned with at 160 either. At least GGG has an impressive amateur background and has created an aura of invincibility around him as a pro.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:14 am 


Dave B

The question is would GGG’s power carry up to S. middle? It also has to be remembered that Froch is used to fighting very big super-middles and has been the lighter man in most of his fights come fight night. No way will Golovkin be able to bully him the way he has most of his opponents.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:05 am 


Rubio

Roy does well on the mic, his speech seems unaffected by the knockouts he’s suffered. Let’s hope he doesn’t fight anymore.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:01 am 


dan

GGG has fought no one! Look at his record. His last 5 opponents have 23 losses between them. He hasn’t earned a fight with Carl

Posted June 1, 2014 10:31 am 


Anonymous

I agree that Golovkin would cause Froch serious problems, but let’s not forget that Roid Jones also once said James Toney would beat the Klitschkos too. Jones is a joke. He’s a glass jawed steroid and animal abusing nutcase who’s been savagely knocked out on nearly every continent.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:14 am 


Popkins

Groves outlanded Froch 126 to 96 last night.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:05 am 


Dan D

Froch would beat Golovkin. Make the fight

Posted June 1, 2014 9:57 am 


somerset

Froch has very long arms for a super-middleweight. It’s a very tough task for any smaller fighter to get past his jab

Posted June 1, 2014 9:47 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

No problem. You have an excellent track record in the last time that I remember that you were clearly wrong on a big fight was donaire vs rigo how long ago? That’s a pretty good track record to me

Posted June 1, 2014 9:45 am 


scottyboy

What a crap article. It’s easy after the fight for everyone to criticise Groves for backing onto the ropes and blaming this for his loss but how many times do we see fighters using the perimeters of the ring during fights? It happens several times a round and very rarely does a fight remain in the centre of the ring for the entire round. It’s purely because that’s where Groves was when he got caught that people are jumping on him for criticism. It could just have easily happened in the ring centre and was a left hand cover that opened up the move for the right hand, not the position of Groves. Malignaggi called it straight after the stoppage; the left froch threw was not a power shot intended to do any real damage, it was just to make Groves commit to a /block/counter that left him open to a right hand.

Posted June 1, 2014 9:43 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

These morons that try to post under his alias not even deserve to be a disciple. More Of OUTCASTS from the prophetic society of GREATNESS!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 9:27 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Boxtra is NOT a TOOL fool! GIVE this man some RESPECT as he yet AGAIN was accurate in picking the WINNER and HOW they would win last night, UNLIKE nearly all of you SO called EXPERTS! He truly is the GREATEST fight prophet EVER born!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 9:25 am 


Boxtradamus

I’m a tool

Posted June 1, 2014 9:17 am 


Boxtradamus

Nice try disciple! Work on realness and punctuation. Its in CHAPTER 4 of trying to BE like ME class!!!!”

Posted June 1, 2014 9:05 am 


Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Actually Froch and Jones uses the same stance although used very differently ..so maybe Roy is the right man to judge him…That being said Roy Jones JR prime was prolly one of the easiest to beat on the drawing board ..If you just looked at the mistakes he made boxing-wise…In the ring it was a whole other matter…The same can be said about Froch…He’ll never be pretty to look at …But when push comes to shove..He’ll go to the next level…Hope it’s not GGG next…I want him at middleweight…Or else that div is without star and skill power…Face it… Martinez is a dead man walking…Now fighting a former welter in Cotto…And knocked down in last 3 fights..He won’t be top dog for long…Then who’s gonna take that div …Quillin ?

Posted June 1, 2014 8:57 am 


Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Froch was a bronze medallist in the amateur world championships, the UK’s first medallist. He has an amateur pedigree most would envy. Ironically his open defence is based on his hero RJJ’s but in the pro ranks he hasn’t had the speed to avoid punches as Roy did.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:53 am 


Limeyjay

Id fancy Froch to beat Ggg but then I picked Groves to outbox Froch last night so maybe I should stay quite lol

You and millions of others Barlow, don’t beat yourself up about it, that’s the Beauty of ” real” fights… When you can make an argument for both fighters winning in various ways , then you know it’s a real 50/50 fight.
Don’t you ever stay quiet , and not give your opinion… To me you are one of the best posters on eastside, I always read your posts, and wether I always agree or not , I always respect your views … You keep on keeping it real Barlow thus place needs more posters like you :)

Posted June 1, 2014 8:52 am 


boxing barlow

Id fancy Froch to beat Ggg but then I picked Groves to outbox Froch last night so maybe I should stay quite lol

Posted June 1, 2014 8:35 am 


eubanksconcretechin

If Roy Jones is so good at looking at styles and then picking a winner how come he keeps getting ko’d all the time himself ?

Posted June 1, 2014 8:26 am 


dwc

anom…Mike Tyson lost out to Tyrell Briggs in the ametures…almost made him cry in the pro rankings.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:21 am 


dwc

anom…That was a long time ago in the amatures…might mean something now…but might not aswell.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:17 am 


dwc

There is a good arugement for both fighters.GGG had a HUGE amature background,and is a great high tech fighter,with loads of skills anyone with boxing knowledge can see.But ofcourse GGG dosent have a deep pro resume,Macklin being his best win,but Macklin I belive was abit on the slide and wasnt active before that fight because of injuries and surgery.Froch is well tested,very seasoned,and tough as nails.But Froch does have holes in his style,which GGG could take advantage of.But how does GGG deal with a guy who could drag him into deep waters and isnt afraid of a war,something that GGG hasnt really dealt with so far as a pro.Froch could bring something new to the table against GGG how he would react nobody really knows at this point.Thats why this fight would be huge and great to watch…no boxing fan would miss it!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 8:14 am 


Anonymous

GGG one punch KO’d Lucian Bute with headgear and big gloves on, Froch must’ve hit Bute with about 50 flush punches before he eventually he got him out of there.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:12 am 


1903

Boxtradamus, just you keep picking the favourite in the big fights and blow yourself.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:06 am 


Boxtradamus

Roy is CORRECT! just like I was CORRECT last night with my pick I would be CORRECT again picking GGG by KO if the fight were to happen! That is why I REMAIN the GREATEST fight prophet EVER born!!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 8:01 am 


yawn

Every Froch fight we hear about how the other guy has vastly superior speed, footwork, defense etc… These handicaps almost never stop Froch from winning fights though do they?
Golovkin has KO’ed some unranked 160lb’ers, that hardly makes it a certainty he beats the battle tested, iron willed, 2nd best 168lb’er on the planet.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:58 am 


Popkins

GGG is a higher calibre of fighter than Abraham. Just as crushing power but far more skilled. … Andre Dirrell schooled Arthur!

Posted June 1, 2014 7:53 am 


1903

You’re right there is more to Golovkin than Abraham I just think based on what I’ve seen Froch has the edge. Definitely a fight worth making if Golovkin was to do a job on Froch then that would be a statement.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:50 am 


Adrian

1903, yes but ggg is no Abraham ggg is not just a brawler he is a complete fighter , I loooooooove to see froch fight ggg

Posted June 1, 2014 7:44 am 


1903

Golovkin untested, Froch is seasoned in the big fights I would favour Froch. Abraham was destroying everyone at middleweight before stepping up and finding Super middle a different proposition.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:41 am 


Anonymous

shame there are not more fighters like froch about today. to many duckers.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:39 am 


JSL

I kind of agree with Roy. But Froch is a warrior and I could see him accepting the likely more dangerous fight. I personally think Carl would put a hurting on Chavez Jr. Golovkin is a dangerous fight though. As for Ward who the heck knows when he’s going to fight again since he’s in a big legal battle with his promoter.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:32 am 


Popkins

Of all the fights that can be made please don’t make Froch/Chavez! What a waste of a fight for the fans that wud be. A blown up middleweight who was nothing special at 160 let alone 168. …. Ward 2, Kessler 3, Bika for a belt, the talented power puncher GGG…. Hell, I’d even rather see a 50 year old Hopkins outhustled Froch over 12 rounds! But please, not JC Chavez!!!!! Two fights with the inexperienced George Groves followed by JC!!!! WTF!

Posted June 1, 2014 7:29 am 



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