Logic excuse me im a rigo fan I simply posted that B.A. is the problem that is why rigo is not basking in his win he cant draw? Put Him here in miami or any Hispanic location he can draw btw both ward and rigo have contract issue so neither is fighting nobody same boat I know they will fight anybody 2 words Olympic champions Excuse me did you read what I posted Ward has beaten all the current168 champs Hes waitng for 175 supremacy to b known so at 168 ….rigo will face quigg frampton who ever. however the fight I want to see lomachko now I believe frampton has a title match againt martinez and quigg won a title yet neither called out Rigo why i know why now rigo has a fight on july 16 in macau againt romero I believe. logic nobody calls out boxers unless he got exposed lol When Rigo unifies. him and ward same level im cuban however
All these excused come after the fight notice that just read Freddy Critter I mean roach lol said 152 too much for pac vrs Canelo yet it wasnt againt margo cheeto lol Canelo said thanks but no thanks 154 my weight good.. no more excuses u want to fight come up to the weight (why do I get the feeling delahoya and arum looking to make this fight?) I agree though if u have problems dont sign you cheating the fansPosted June 5, 2014 2:40 pm
drigo,fair point about MAB-Pac,though pac does have a lot of other w’s on his resume. But for a rigo fan you are not giving him enough credit.He is willing to fight ANYBODY,it is they who are not stepping up.This is not like Ward.
sredmond,ok I should have said 140 (wrong Garcia).But it’s pretty clear Ward can do no wrong in your (fanboy) eyes.Good for you. What you don’t understand is I DO accept that Ward is a unique talent and exeptional practioner of the boxing art…never tasted defeat pro or amateur since he was a kid…truly amazing. I am saying in legacy perspective you don’t get credit for who you “would” beat – because different styles pose different problems. Your whole body of work is your own fights,not the fights of people you beat.Torrecampo doesn’t get credit for pac’s wins.
anyway,that’s all I ‘ve got to say though I ‘ll keep reading if you want put in a final word.Posted June 5, 2014 2:25 pm
If we buy into all this “distractions” “weight issues” “marital issues” “financial issues” chatter then EVERYONE will have excuses for their losses! A pro fighter signs a contract, they know the terms and they have to prepare and come to the ring and perform…Posted June 5, 2014 2:05 pm
Logic, your analogy does NOT work you taking Floyd down 2 weight classes in your discussion which does NOT fit… Dawson called out Ward and offered to fight him at 168 after the Hopkins bout, go to youtube if you are ignorant of the facts… Dawson has boxed at 168 before and he had a FULL training camp to get his business together… AGAIN once a fighter decides on the weight I am NOT buying that overused, built in excuse.. As for Kessler, he was the FAVORITE with FAR more World Class experience than Ward and from the first minute Dre was the aggressor and took away Kesslers distance, as a veteran Kessler should have adjusted but his stiff style did not allow him to catch on to Wards subtle moves, and set ups… You discuss Stevenson with a since of reverence well how did Stevenson become Champ and burst on the scene? he stopped a guy that Ward chopped down FIRST, Dre outboxed, outfought and worked over Dawson who he made QUIT… Dawson called Ward a Great Champion and said he was stronger than I thought… Accept SOG’s accomplishmentsPosted June 5, 2014 2:02 pm
Dream match 147 tito trinidad vrs may weather who wins also is rigodeaux waiting for lomancko?Posted June 5, 2014 1:54 pm
Logic no dispute good points as well one minor thing Pac fits into the realm u just posted remember M.A.B. had a head injury prior to first match pac took advantage also fighting slower fighter and winning vacant title yet he is revered top 5 p4p hmmm.. ward beat kessler who beat Froch ward has four noteworthy wins yes (Sakio bika)Froch has faced younger comp and prevailed not just groves pascal bute and avenged his lost to kessler ward is better not only for beating froch so I see your point well also ward has beaten all the current champs at 168Posted June 5, 2014 1:46 pm
Redmon excellent points hell I remember when froch wanted to fight Calzaghe J.C. retired hmm I agree ward body of work stronger based on opposition Rigodeux needs more accolades although bob arum has something to do with it im Cuban in miami why isn’t Rigo a star even here bad promoting Arum lost his star with nonito (pac 2)losing yet he got another title shot hmmm. Rigo is marketable however I said B.A.is a problem thats why Rigo trying to get out under T.R. banner why not put him in miami new york hell even Canada. Lol now ward is fascinating yet he has contract issues now he is the 2 best fighter who needs to fight more often I think hes biding his time eventually ward and the lh champ Hopkins?kovalov?Stevenson?hopefully hopkins so a torch will be passed. After Ward Froch2 of course again excellent point sPosted June 5, 2014 1:24 pm
so in essence what you’re saying is:if floyd drains down to 135,gets knocked out by his sparring partner,then KO’ed by Garcia,Garcia gets full credit for it.Or that after building up an early lead Maidana headbutts floyd a couple of times just when floyd is coming on to stop the fight,then Maidana gets full credit.Or if Amir Khan fights only guys who are way slower than him or have no power,ignoring or avoiding obvious challenges,and then you claim he is p4p because he never loses.
see what I did there?(nothing like seeing yourself in the mirror).
As for rigondeaux taking on donaire AND welcoming ALL challenges, that would be like if Ward had taken on Stevenson,and welcomed Bute,Direll etc…but we all know what actually happened.Yes I did give him credit for his Froch win,like I said his only significant win.Poor Froch would prefer Ward to step up his game for the sake of his legacy,though like Pac,Ali, it’s not necessary,and Ward doenst get credit for Froch’s wins.Posted June 5, 2014 1:15 pm
So in essence you guys are saying that all Rigo has to do in order to be the #2 guy in boxing is defeat Donaire with only 13 or 14 bouts under his belt at the time? he does not have enough fights or accomplishments to substantiate that premise it is really based on ONE night whereas Ward has shown consistency against TOP comp and been most dominant against his 3 best opponents Froch, Dawson and Kessler…No ExcusesPosted June 5, 2014 11:25 am
Carl Froch despite NO ONE considering him a virtuoso or pretty to watch has accomplished FAR more than Rigondeaux and so has Mikkel Kessler… Beating Donaire was a major win for Rigo, but this is a guy with under 20 career bouts enjoy the benefit of an upset victory…Froch is a World Champ several times over, he has defeated several well known competitors and Ward easily bested him and dominated Kessler who was considered the BEST 168 pounder in the World when that happened having gone 12 with Joe C… Rigondeaux has a ways to go before he ranks with Ward and the P4P list confirms and underscores my thinking on that… Guys are on the bandwagon! Wards body of work is obviously superior beating the best 168 pounders and the Lineal LHW Champ via TKOPosted June 5, 2014 11:20 am
Logic, I see you peddling ALOT of excuses for Wards success ie “Dawson was drained” I don’t buy or accept those type of rationales they are ALL to common in the sport these days.. Also we did NOT need to create a rationale for Ward losing to Froch even though he had a BAD hand, instead we have to give Ward his due for besting the #2 168 pounder without the benefit of 2 healthy hands..Kessler was AGAIN defeated Easily and never allowed any success in the fight, boxing is a TOUGH sport and at times butts occur but a vet like that getting so badly schooled by a GREEN Ward was VERY impressivePosted June 5, 2014 11:16 am
So Chavez brings the “money”ok However what has he done ward next match will be against a low tier fighter(oosthuizen perhaps) as he recovers his momentum then chavez froch fights bute or Kessler next then pascal … in 2015 Ward vrs FrochPosted June 5, 2014 9:57 am
Rigondeaux is better than Ward… He’s a better boxer. The victory over Donaire wasn’t shocking. The scores the judges came up with after the fight were shocking.
Ward hasn’t beaten anybody with boxing skills on the level of Donaire… Sante Cruz and Frampton are both great fighters — so Rigondeaux has guys out there to make super great fights with.
Ward had nobody in his division who’s a match. Andre Dirrell might have developed into a great boxer — but he just doesn’t have the ambition.
The only opponents available for Ward are if Golovkin moves up after he unifies… if Ward moves up to fight Kovalev… or if somebody super talented emerges at 168… There’s no one out there.Posted June 4, 2014 6:45 pm
sredmond, I was trying to say that Froch would look more hall-of-fame worthy if his one unavenged loss was to an all-time-great, instead of someone whose only impressive win is…Froch! (the Kessler win tainted by the butts ending,& Dawson win by weight drained weakening as proved by the sparring troubles). So I was just saying that better for Froch if Ward gets some great wins,like it’s better for Pac that Marquez got some great wins of his own, or better for Ali that Jimmy Young beat Foreman.
Pac & Ali are more highly regarded generally than Marquez & Young anyway,unlike the Froch-Ward situation,but Froch’s legacy should be OK. I don’t see it enhanced by getting dominated by Ward again,as much as by if Ward goes out & dominates Stevenson/Kovalev,though like you say, he’s under no obligation.
Finally I’ll take Rigondeaux’s career & win over Donaire over all of Wards wins combined,but everyone’s entitled to a different opinion,however deluded!Posted June 4, 2014 4:41 pm
Ward is DEFINATELY ahead of Rigondeaux who defeated Donaire handily but has not dominated his weight class in the same manner… Does the man even have 20 fights under his belt? You are showing a serious lack of proportion, Rigo is a talented guy and his defeat of Donaire in that manner was a shocker but he does not rate with Ward yet… Ward faced Kessler when people thought Kessler was a lock to win the tourney and in his boxing infancy defeated Kessler who had ONE loss against Joe Calzaghe who is a HOFer, he then handled Froch and Co who were and are still top players at 168…Chad Dawson was lineal LHW Champ, a guy who had a win over Tomas Adamek who went on to book wins at HW, he shared the ring with Tarver, Hops and Johnson on multiple occasions albeit older versions and dropped a bout to only Jean Pascal where he was coming on.. Ward had him down early and made him quit late it was a VERY dominant performance the likes of which Rigo has not produced against an Elite fighter.Posted June 4, 2014 1:51 pm
Logic, I am NOT big on EXCUSES I give Ward 100% cred for capping Dawson who called him OUT in front of me after the Hopkins bout.. I don’t respect boxers signing contracts for big money, accepting the terms and then telling me about their personal issues when they lose..Dawson got dominated from the start of the fight and washed outta there…As for Bute, AGAIN Ward had proven his point and faced the guys who showed up for the Super 6 and actually fought that gauntlet, whereas Bute was fighting a pretty soft schedule including a banged up Edison Miranda and Mendy, facing all these boxers you mentioned did NOT yield much in the way of results for Carl Froch who was and still is #2 in the division so whats your point? Didn’t Dirrell catch that head shot in the tourney? As for Kovalev and Stevenson explain to me how Ward has to leave his division to face them? I think he will eventually move up but the guy has never complained about making 168? are you saying you will only respect him as a mult-weight Champ? I see guys like GGG claiming they will dominate up to various divisions yet never fighting beyond their current weight and facing soft comp in the process.Posted June 4, 2014 1:45 pm
Octavius Jomar Chatman
With the mistakes that Froch has seemed to not have corrected…Ward would beat him….AGAIN!!!!!Posted June 4, 2014 12:45 pm
sredmond – haha, you’re right about “great” – maybe “challenging” is a better description. But Ward, if not avoiding, is at least not seeking. Try to remember his reactions to Bute when he was considered the foremost remaining challenge after super 6: “oh he has to earn the right to fight me”. Direll before it was realized his career went south (due to the cheapshot?)was considered the fastest & most skilled option available:Ward “I won’t fight my friend” (not to mention Alan Direll’s brother is still available for a good challenge). After Stevenson’s devastating KO of Dawson right in front of Ward (doing TV analysis), Ward didn’t actually say much because it looked like his face was waiting for his jaw to come back from where it had landed on the floor. Remember that Stevenson was FORCED up to 175 pounds Paul Williams – style, when the only guys with the balls to face him were Donovan George and then Chad Dawson.
Would you give GGG a lot of credit for KOing Ward, if Ward came in at 160 after a training camp getting KOed by sparring partner like Miranda? That’s equivalent to the Dawson win.
So Ward is a very good fighter,everyone knows.But people putting him ahead of Rigondeaux on their P4P lists,or thinking his legacy is already established… I mean Rigomdeaux went after the hugest,most dangerous challenge challenge available – big,fast,powerful,smart(we thought),with many good victories under his belt, Donaire. All Ward has is the decisive win over Froch,a favorable style match-up for him, while Froch did all the heavy lifting against Bute,Pascal,Taylor,etc.Posted June 4, 2014 12:20 pm
Logic, I don’t see Ward as “avoiding people at all” Dirrell is barely fighting after Abraham hit him while he was down what has he done? Bute has been marginalized at 168 after Froch stopped him in 5 rounds or so, Kovalev and Stevensons are guys in another weight class that people suddenly have decided that Andre needs to face… REMEMBER that Stevenson became Lineal at 175 by getting rid of Dawson who Ward STOPPED in the fight prior for the first time…Calling Stevenson, Kovalev and others of that ilk “Great” makes me laugh NONE of those guys (Pascal included) qualifies for such lofty praise..Posted June 4, 2014 10:16 am
I don’t think people who say froch can’t box are paying much attention. He went skill for skill with the much faster Andre Direll in the 11-12 rounds of their fight. Even Ward did not say Froch surprised him by how unskilled he was, but rather how incredibly slow he was. Make no mistake – Froch is the greatest win on Ward’s record, with W’s over Bute,Dirrell, Kessler & Pascal, while Ward has only butt-shortened win over Kessler. I don’t think it benefits Froch or Ward’s legacy to fight each other again. Ward has already got a decisive win so it doesn’t help him, other than financially. Froch probably can’t overcome the total package of speed(his achiles heel), on top of skill, and all the other things Ward brings. What Froch needs is for Ward to get some impressive wins against great fighters he has been avoiding like the Stevensons,Kovalevs,Dirrells,Butes,Pascals,etc,so Froch’s loss will have been to an ATG.Posted June 4, 2014 2:15 am
Raheem250 says.., “90% of the drunken idiots in the stadium thought they were attending a soccer match.”
They all knew it was a fight. All 80,000 of ‘em. Brits aren’t that stupid. They don’t pay those prices to watch 20 something guys kick a ball around for 90 minutes.
They want to see somebody laid out flat on his back by a smashing punch.
Floyd loved the turn out… He was through the roof and hot to go to England this month to promote his coming fight with punching bag Amir Khan in Wembley Stadium.
To bad the Brits won’t let somebody like Floyd into their wonderful country… That made Floyd feel like 3 cents.Posted June 3, 2014 8:45 pm
Who cares about the venue? in my mind I wanna see a fight and the reality is the Top Dog makes the terms especially when you actually defeated a guy… Do you wanna see a fight or see a venue? I don’t accept excuses about venues..Posted June 3, 2014 5:47 pm
SREDMOND, Ward did beat Froch no doubt. Andre Ward is number 1 SMW and an elite boxer, though he’s largely inactive… Personally, I have, and always will have, more respect for boxers who defend their championships from time to time at home AND away or on neutral turf. You know, boxers like Ali did in the past, Manny, 3G, Froch and Wlad today…and Froch is a more exciting fighter than Ward… Froch-Ward II at Wembley or some big UK arena would be great and if Ward is so much better than Froch, he’ll win again, won’t he?!?…Posted June 3, 2014 5:15 pm
Eddie, Froch has had a very accomplished career and that’s something we can agree on.. And that said if his fans would accept his defeat at the hands of Ward with class and accept his #2 status at 168 absent equivocations, what ifs and excuses then we could all just sit back and respect a guy who is an overachiever relative to his talent.. But many of his fans want to mitigate his loss to Ward, make excuses and discuss EVERYTHING except what happened when they got in that ring… Being “Greedy” is the undoing of these sorts, I saw the SAME with Vitali accept who he DID beat and accept who beat him (Lewis)Posted June 3, 2014 4:12 pm
SREDMOND, Froch doesn’t really ‘need to dislodge Ward in the ring’. He’s 36, nearly 37 and can retire tomorrow and be satisfied with a very fine career. He’s collected WBC, WBA and IBF world titles, won a war against Jean Pascal to take his first title, went to the US and successfully defended belts, fought home and away in the Super Six, fought in Denmark against Mikkel Kessler, lost a close one, won the rematch clearly against Kessler who did the decent thing and travelled, outboxed Arthur Abraham on neutral ground in Finland, went to the US and lost to Ward, crushed unbeaten Lucien Bute in a big win and beat Groves twice, giving the kid a merited rematch in front of a sold-out stadium with 80,000 paying fans inside. Froch was never stopped and he’s pretty much fought anyone who’s anyone at SMW…that’s a good career. A HOF career.Posted June 3, 2014 3:40 pm
Ward out boxes Froch 10 out of 10 times. with Chavez Jr. , anything can happen. that is why it would be so appealing for the fans. knock down drag out.Posted June 3, 2014 2:59 pm
maytwitter. the only boxer with more than 20 names.Posted June 3, 2014 2:42 pm
If they are only prima donnas who fight every 3 years then their foes should be able to KO them with ease right??Posted June 3, 2014 2:23 pm
why do the yanks love prima donnas who get in the ring once every 2 or 3 years.Posted June 3, 2014 2:11 pm
Kessler was a vet and he FOLDED against Ward which is not a good look on his part, given the fact he had a TON more experience including having shared the ring with Calzaghe for 12 rounds Kesslers failure to adjust and get the win is his own fault despite some incidental contact he was getting beat the whole damn fight and sooner or later you have to accept the results… Where was Kessler all these years begging or screaming for a rematch? He knew he got dominated and would rather whine about travel than rematch Ward or accept his loss…Posted June 3, 2014 2:06 pm
The World does NOT have to revolve around Ward and he will have to get in the ring more in the near future.. That said he is STILL on top of the game and part of his downtime was recovery from shoulder surgery which is understandable…Froch has been active that said some of his activity was really OLD news, ie Kessler rematches and 2 bouts with Grove… Carl may be 7 years older but how many more fights than Ward has he had? I think Dre has 27 and Froch 35? Froch is NOT exactly the activity monster you are selling on a historical basis… Again good on Froch but he will need to dislodge Ward in the ring or pray somebody else does..Posted June 3, 2014 1:58 pm
Andre Ward has the right to be acknowledged as the number 1 SMW in the world, RING Champ and all, but he’s currently down to making one appearance a year. He needs to get ACTIVE if he wishes to maintain a high P4P ranking and stop living off his Super Six success, when he never left home for any fight, head-butting Kessler to a stoppage etc, or people could be forgiven for thinking he’s semi retired. Meanwhile, Froch, almost 7 years his senior, is keeping a busy schedule defending his WBA and IBF World Titles in front of 80,000 crowds. He’s getting on with business in the real world because the world doesn’t revolve around Andre Ward just because Ward won the Super Six three years ago…Posted June 3, 2014 12:12 pm
Chavez Jr is one of the FEW guys who can sell a PPV so its logical that guys want to get in on that money.. He and Martinez did 500k buys which is huge outside of Floyd and Manny…Froch and Ward wanting to fight Jr for the check can’t really be knocked too bad and the fact is that for Froch, Chavez offers some possible jeopardy, fact is that Carl Froch is not a speed demon or defensive specialist.Posted June 3, 2014 11:10 am
Sean PH, Froch winning a popularity contest with Ward is NOT gonna win him the fight fact is that he cannot beat Andre Ward and that was proved head to head… I am not billing Ward as a big ticket seller but FACT is that he is the BEST fighter in the division and as it pertains to revenue Carl Froch is small potatoes in the real world of boxing… That said 80k fans at Wembley cannot fight for Carl Froch and he found that out first time around Groves who put him down and mired his win in controversy, good on him for righting that wrong but he had struggles with a relative Green fighter who had him on queer street Ward is a proposition that his fanbase cannot help him with as a pugilist…Posted June 3, 2014 11:06 am
Why does every body want froch chavez why reward chavez who did chavez beat?vera? Again why not pascal he beat bute former recent ibf champ good match up in england or North America for those who dont know (Canada is part of N.A.) or pascal vrs chavez winner vrs froch and the dirrell brother still there for either Ward or froch laterPosted June 3, 2014 10:45 am
I have very little interest in seeing Ward vs. Froch # 2. I will not pay to see that bout on P.P.V. Froch vs. Chavez Jr. on the other hand I would love to see , and would probably make the trip to Vegas to watch it live depending on my finances and what time of year the bout takes place? it is just my personal preference.Posted June 3, 2014 8:07 am
@Raheem250 Get a clue, son. You sound like a typical modern day fan who dismisses a boxer because they don’t have an ’0′. People such as you lack a grasp of boxing history. Froch is a real fighter who provides action as he’s proven for a long time. Boxing was built on fighting men like Carl Froch. When you can fill soccer stadiums with 80,000 fans, that’s BIG…Andre Ward can’t do the same. He’s Yesterday’s Man, so Ward needs to stop resting on his laurels and living off tbe Super Six which finished over 3 YEARS AGO now…There’s a BIG WORLD out there as someone once said…Ward should get a passport and see it one day, lol!Posted June 3, 2014 6:15 am
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Smond. Ward is only popular in cali. Froch is not from europe. England is not even part of the continent.Posted June 3, 2014 12:24 am
To all you euro nuts who are delusional about froch, get over it, he is not that good of a fighter. He’s a banger that fights face first. A great night for pizza, beer and a few chicks. Nevertheless, he is not payper view worthy. It was a fight that was free on HBO and I tevo’d it.
Not to mention I keep hearing many of you imbeciles who believe packing a stadium makes a fighter. For one, 90% of the drunken idiots in the stadium thought they were attending a soccer match instead of a boxing event.
We know the difference in the U.S.Posted June 2, 2014 9:46 pm
“no one else anywhere in the world cares about him, lol”-And that’s why CARING is LESSER than FACTS. The FACT is that Ward is the #1 SMW in the World and people caring or not won’t change it.Posted June 2, 2014 7:04 pm
“Ward is largely irrelevant right now and hardly anyone misses him…”-And that’s why MISSING is LESSER than World RANKING. Ward remains ranked #1 at SMW no matter how LITTLE you MISS him….or how MUCH.Posted June 2, 2014 7:02 pm
Ward wants Froch in Wembley Stadium… But he was praying that Groves landed the shot Froch did so he could fight a new face… The only problem with Ward-Froch is their previous fight … What’s going to change?
Ward is better than ever… Froch is older than ever.
His preference would be Chavez Jr… since he doesn’t fancy a fight with Golovkin either. DeGale? That’s as attractive as Kessler vs AbrahamPosted June 2, 2014 5:35 pm
Turb0-H@mster doing science
Well when Ward can get 8 million pound/12 million dollar guarantees, plus a share of the 17 million PPV you can talk about whether he needs to travel.Posted June 2, 2014 5:05 pm
BOXTRADAMUS, you’re right about Ward being a US attraction..no one else anywhere in the world cares about him, lol!Posted June 2, 2014 4:18 pm
BOXTRADAMUS, the Ring is sound as is Boxrec… you use rankings from whatever source when it suits you and your spurious arguments…’Dre’ needs to get in the ring and BOX because he’s resting on his laurels. Ward is largely irrelevant right now and hardly anyone misses him…Posted June 2, 2014 4:15 pm
Besides Froch and Kessler BOTH of whom Ward dominated who should Andre go “Travel to fight” what are these fighters names? He is TOP dog and thus gets to make terms Froch has spent 2 bouts with Groves who should have been easy from the jump so how available was he for REAL contests at 168? Ones with historical or rankings consequence? OK he KOed Groves, how does this elevate him? really it just cleaned up a mess the ref made.Posted June 2, 2014 4:12 pm
Eddie, NO ONE using Boxrec except for information about fighters records and fight night weights.. The most credible ranking system for fighters is Ring Magazine….Posted June 2, 2014 4:09 pm
The MOST popular boxers don’t really fight outside the US so who CARES about that childish metric set up for Ward because he smashed a couple Euro fighters? I agree he needs to get active but Mayweather and Pac Man are US attractions and don’t need to face some mopes in Russia to appease people who are not paying the freight…Canelo is Mexican, cannot speak a lick of English YET he had a payday that makes Froch best night financially look like pocket change (17 mill all in) as much as Wlads BEST night vs Povetkin…Ward does not need to travel to some irrelevant country for boxing like Kesslers home or a Wembley..If he is gonna make big $$$$ it will be in the US because he is a US attraction… I am sure Floyd feels GREAT banking 32 mill per bout in Las Vegas… Travel=whining for butt hurt Froch and Kessler fans, Ward did not set up the tourney tell the Danes or the British to set up one then all the bouts can be in their homeland.Posted June 2, 2014 4:07 pm
IF ‘Dre’, lol!, wants to be RELEVANT ONCE AGAIN, he needs to ACTIVATE HIS CAREER, become ACTIVE and GET IN THE RING and BOX!!Posted June 2, 2014 4:05 pm
Here’s some info from one source: Latest Boxrec P4P: 1. Mayweather 2.Pacquiao 3.Klitschko.Posted June 2, 2014 4:02 pm
Ward is largely unknown to the average sports fan worldwide. He did not CAPITALIZE on his success and therefore he is Yesterday’s Man in other words.Posted June 2, 2014 3:59 pm
Ward is still ranked #1 in his Division and #2 in the ENTIRE Sport. SO go take a READING class.Posted June 2, 2014 3:57 pm
Andre Ward. Good boxer once upon a time (3 YEARS AGO), was relevant once, not so much now. That was THEN, this is NOW. The guy is pretty much inactive these days, he’s not exciting as a fighter and doesn’t fight outside the US so he isn’t that big a name worldwide, he hasn’t much of a fan base and hardly anyone has missed him. Time moves on.Posted June 2, 2014 3:54 pm
Froch made clear what EVERY boxer on the planet knows professionally the “Big Time” is in Las Vegas NV period end of story… Hatton, Khan, Calzaghe, Lewis, Pacquiao and many other foreigners know that the money and glory that come from Big fights in that city cannot be duplicated… ONLY in Vegas can live gates of 20 million dollars be generated… Froch can fight another regional attraction like Groves in Wembley but he is running out of road with that one, OR he can fight Kessler a 3rd time there.. But if Froch wanted a CRACK at going out and being considered the best SMW around he would to face Dre and that’s a guaranteed loss with his skillset… I respect Froch but he is NOT the best guy around, I have no issue with him being an interchangeable #2 at the weight but he is not in Wards league.Posted June 2, 2014 3:46 pm
From a “Global Standpoint” few people care about Carl Froch or Mikkel Kessler both a regional attractions FACT remains that Ward ticket seller or NOT dominated the 168 pound division so these guys can NOT face him but they by default they concede a lack of interest in being at the top of that division and that’s fine but this is not a debatable scenario there is NOBODY at that weight that has status over Ward in the ring… How much are Froch and Kessler making for their UK fights?? I would love to know? Carl Froch and Mikkel Kessler have 0000 fanbase in the US for the most part and that is what it is…Posted June 2, 2014 3:40 pm
“Bullsh*t. It’s a matter of risk versus reward.”-Yup. And the risk is off the CHARTS for taking a LOSS. SO they don’t raise their hand for that. IF there was a HIGH probability for a WIN there then they would line UP no matter WHAT the pay IS. Chad Dawson wasn’t a draw either but since he was the LINEAL CHAMP but looked vulnerable they lined UP for him. SO that shows that not being a draw is not the real factor…..Ward is the LINEAL CHAMP at SMW and he does NOT look vulnerable at all. That’s why no one is asking for a chance to be the BEST. They’d rather fight against a LESSER Fighter for more money.Posted June 2, 2014 2:52 pm
does ward train with david haye.Posted June 2, 2014 11:12 am
Froch showed his experience by setting up Groves with body shots, and then when Groves was worn down a left hook to the ear and a finishing over hand right to the chin. Froch is a master boxer-puncher. His last battle should be in his home country, not in Vegas.Posted June 2, 2014 10:05 am
A great win for Froch in a fight that was good for boxing. Froch deserves another great payday, but he will have to earn it. That is, there are no easy fights out there for him.
Nice article giving credit and respect where due. Froch has been doubted/criticised before and I’m so glad he blows them out the water every time.
Anyone saying that he HAS to fight Ward to bring any kind of exciting/finalising/point proven last-battle is smoking crack, or a stubborn Froch critic (aka: Ward fan).
Carl has nothing to prove. We all know Ward outpointed him and would outpoint him again, which we also know would be BORING AS F***.
We all want to see Froch in what he’s best at – a REAL fight with another warrior/fighter, not a point scoring ‘don’t touch my face’ defensive boxer! Kessler/Golovkin/Chavez jr ANY day of the week over Ward…
Well done Froch, your style aint slick or pretty, but you’re one tough muddafukka!Posted June 2, 2014 8:27 am
Go brush your teeth Brits
Seriously you all have yellow daggers for teethPosted June 2, 2014 7:47 am
mano, right,Rachael is hot!!Posted June 2, 2014 6:31 am
FROCH vs Kessler I should have been voted FOTY.Posted June 2, 2014 5:50 am
YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WIFE TO BE!! CONGRATS ON YOUR WIN CHAMP!! I CALLED THIS ONE!!Posted June 2, 2014 5:20 am
Mick the Marmalizer
When you look at the inactivity of Andre Ward, Carl Froch actually looks to be the #1 @ 168Lb right now. He’s stated that he wants to fight in Las Vegas, so why not match him with WBC titlist Sakio Bika over there & if successful see if Ward would have the balls to travel to the UK & contest in Carl’s last fight.
if you look at frochs record , title fights, the fighters he beat, since he first won a belt it is as good if not better than any 168lb fighter his opponents are far stronger than calzeque , benn, EubanksPosted June 2, 2014 2:30 am
NICE way to forget that Stevenson was Froch’s mandatory not Ward’s. Froch DUCKED the Fight. Ward had no reason to face Stevenson. He was a #0 P4P NON CHAMP who hadn’t beaten anyone. IF Froch would have honored his mandatory then that could have been a start. GOOD for him that they let Dawson retain his title at 175 after Ward already SHATTERED his confidence. EASY way to WIN a Championship all courtesy to Ward. Stevenson should be THANKING Ward. Just as Pacquiao should have THANKED Floyd after the De la Hoya, Hatton, and Mosely fights.Posted June 2, 2014 1:57 am
Froch can also draw a picture of the #1 ranking at SMW on a piece of paper but he can only WIN it IF he beats Ward. Thats why drawing does not help your case for being the BEST. WINNING against the BEST DOES. Sorry to wake everyone UP from their dreams but Groves was NOT the BEST. Ward IS. Froch remains #2. Getting the NASTY KO just as I predicted was a NICE smokescreen though.Posted June 2, 2014 1:51 am
Stevenson said he would fight Ward at 168, but Ward refused. Ward refuses to fight Kovalev, but wants to fight flyweights or perhaps a woman? Only in his home town, with his personal referee, judges and boxing commission. Ward is a fraud…………………..who wants to see him fight? I sure don’t. Froch drew 80,000 fans at ringside, Ward can’t draw flies…………Posted June 2, 2014 1:29 am
“nobody is missing Andre Ward.”-TOO bad for every SMW out there that missing Andre Ward is not the factor. He remains as the TOP rated SMW in the World whether you miss him or not.Posted June 1, 2014 11:05 pm
“No one raises their hand to fight Ward because he isn’t a bankable name.”-Nope. Tremendous GUESS though. No one raises their hand because Ward is SO GREAT that his peers know that they cannot defeat him. Otherwise they would line UP to become the #1 ranked SMW in the World to enjoy the prestige that comes with it. But since they know that’s not going to happen they learn to be content Fighting for 2nd place. In FACT Groves even admitted that he wasn’t ready for Ward but thought Froch was RIPE for the picking. Froch stopped him TWICE. Lets you know the HIGH regard that he has for Ward.Posted June 1, 2014 11:03 pm
’76 Olympic Team
Best of luck El Cobra, aka One Tough Hombre. I hope you fight Chavez, only because LV would be nuts w/ the Brit/Mex fans converging upon the city. See you in the HOF.Posted June 1, 2014 10:45 pm
Hell no froch ain’t no dam hall of famer with that ugly ass style he’s a b fighter under wardPosted June 1, 2014 10:25 pm
Would love Froch to fight Ward as this time I think he’d risk it allPosted June 1, 2014 10:20 pm
the yanks have trouble getting their peds through customs.Posted June 1, 2014 7:12 pm
If there was a pound for pound list of the toughest fighters out there then froch would have to be at the very top of today’s crop. He has taken so much punishment during his career it is unreal. He took enough shots during just the first kessler fight to retire a boxer and kessler himself was not the same afterwards. Still froch carries on in the same style and is happy to take punches to land his own, knowing he is physically tougher than anyone else. Anyone who questions his already-booked ticket to the HOF needs their head examining. Five years after he retires he is in at the first opportunity. The fact that his style and toughness are appreciated by other boxers that ultimately vote him in will guarantee it. To the morons questioning his inclusion…name a current champion who has fought more consecutive world class opponents (mack aside). You don’t have to be the best in your weight division to get a ticket, an obvious number 2 with the far better resume will suffice.Posted June 1, 2014 7:11 pm
Fruchin idiots.Posted June 1, 2014 7:11 pm
He beat a B level fighter again and now he’s an ATG. Laughing my ass off!Posted June 1, 2014 7:04 pm
If Ward fights Fruck again he’ll KO him! Trust that. And furthermore Ward does not need Fruck for anything other than a payday. You Fruch fans are seriously delusional!Posted June 1, 2014 7:03 pm
you cant beat american ppv.130 pounds and you get max kellerman all night.Posted June 1, 2014 6:59 pm
Man U.K. likes to overhype there fighters lol, haye hatton j.c. frochPosted June 1, 2014 6:46 pm
Lol, did they lower the standards for the IBHOF? Losing to a shot Kessler ,getting a hometown for a green as grass Dirrell and being embarrassed for 10 rounds by a shot Taylor who had to completely gas out for Froch to win? Take this hyperbole somewhere else. He DOESNT want to fight the BEST. He DOESNT want to fight the REAL champion. “Warriors” do this all the time. LmfaoPosted June 1, 2014 5:53 pm
Froch-Chavez Jr would be a good action fight. But Jr is in dispute with Top Rank over that contract extension so who knows how long he’s on the shelf?Posted June 1, 2014 5:33 pm
Turb0-H@mster doing science
riviera……… Chavez needs friendly judges to beat Brian Vera and you think he gives Froch trouble?
Froch has beaten 10+ people who would smoke Brian Vera.
Chavez wouldn`t even beat Arthur Abraham.Posted June 1, 2014 4:20 pm
These tough boxers all deserve respect. They may not look much from that arm-chair, but it aint as easy as you seem to make it out to be. Grow up haters.Posted June 1, 2014 2:34 pm
Carl Froch has the right and the privilege to fight anyone he wants to,there are not many fighters who have given to the sport as much as he….Posted June 1, 2014 1:19 pm
Regarding the mentioned fighters–Kessler, Bute, Dirrell, Abraham, Hohnson, Pascal–with the exception of Kessler, they’re all journeymen. And Kessler was over-the-hill when they fought the 2nd time. Ward would tattoo Froch; and GGG would simply destroy him.Posted June 1, 2014 12:44 pm
Yup, and while I picked Froch to clock Groves, I’m afraid Chavez will dust the ring with Froch. First off, he’s much younger; second, he’ll come in to the ring weighing 25 lbs. more. He’ll do serious damage to Froch who just stands there like a wooden Indian. Chavez will knock him out.Posted June 1, 2014 12:41 pm
three fights for ward in three years.dont think he will beat srr record.Posted June 1, 2014 12:34 pm
That was one heck of a fight, Froch was impressive! He will never beat Ward, he’s too defensive and slick. I’d like to see him fightGGG.Posted June 1, 2014 12:23 pm
Kessler got his title taken from him and he wanted NO rematch and STILL doesn’t want one. ALL he did was WHINE afterwards. We call that being SISSYFIED.Posted June 1, 2014 12:04 pm
Which shows why he is the DOMINANT PRINCE. When anyone asks “WHO wants a shot to be the BEST SMW in the World???” NO one raises their hand. Thats called being MORE intimidating than every Champion in the Sport. Guys even line UP to Fight Wlad Klitschko even though they’re LEVELS below him. But not Ward. Ward’s SKILLS are too FRIGHTFUL for them.Posted June 1, 2014 12:01 pm
Very difficult to beat a Ward type fighter because of the way they fight. The opponents are so concerned about the way they utilize their heads to their advantage that they cannot fight their fight. Froch is the big draw , Ward is not and Froch would be wise not to fight him.Posted June 1, 2014 11:46 am
Chavev jr won’t want any part of froch…….Posted June 1, 2014 11:41 am
Froch WON he is the KING of the UK while Ward is the PRINCE of the ENTIRE Sport of Boxing. Big Difference.Posted June 1, 2014 11:26 am
I wouldn’t mind if Froch just ignored Ward for the rest of his career. Froch doesn’t need Ward for anything. Carl made his name and reputation what it is, not Andre Ward. Froch is a great champion while Ward is a sometime champion. There’s a big difference.Posted June 1, 2014 10:39 am
Wny not Jean Pascal 2 ?.C.F. does welll in rematches now J.P. has name and former light heavy champ catch weight 170 lbs they both bested Overrated Bute why not?Posted June 1, 2014 10:12 am
I’d love to see Froch fight in Vegas. It would also be great if the next fight could be televised in the late afternoon instead of the usual boxing after dark midnight shows.Posted June 1, 2014 10:00 am
Obviously Froch has more than earned the right to do wot he wants. But ending with a pension fund fight against Chavez? That is not the reputation Carl has built.Posted June 1, 2014 9:52 am
Froch is one of Britain’s best. But if he fights in Vegas it shud b against Ward or GGG. Not Chavez. It wud b a shame for a boxer with Carl’s warrior reputation to cash in on a soft opponent for the finale of his career. A blown up middleweight who was never anything special at 160? No thanks.Posted June 1, 2014 9:49 am
Great finish by Froch it’s not often you see a one punch knockout like that at top level. Going by the comments after the fight it’s a safe bet to say it’ll be Chavez Jr in Vegas next.Posted June 1, 2014 9:21 am
Got to be ward or Kessler IIIPosted June 1, 2014 9:10 am
You and Aussie Warrior Sam Soliman have just won me $1050 today in a double
I’ve a right day on it, $300 gone already
Fantastic . . .Posted June 1, 2014 9:03 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
I am very happy, Carl Froch beat George Groves again! :)Posted June 1, 2014 9:00 am