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SREDMOND

Froch basically is saying he does NOT wanna LOSE to Ward again…. “hes a spoiler” Yup he spoiled Froch’s record and basically Carl wants to fight guys like Groves who he can trade knockdowns with… Groves was QUICK and Dre is QUICKER last thing Old Froch wants is to book another loss (Worse loss) against Ward… Dre is getting more aggressive, Rodriguez head was getting turned around violently and we all saw Dawson have to QUIT…. Froch don’t want none!

Posted June 5, 2014 4:53 pm 


nobby

The fact that some ‘experts’ on here don’t even give Froch a puncher’s chance against Ward is silly. Yes the percentages are with a Ward points win, but a new raging bull Carl Froch certainly has a chance. Ward will never travel so that question isn’t worth debating.

Anyway Carl was on Sky today and when quizzed on a Ward rematch he said…

He was beaten fair and square on points

He doesn’t like fighting Ward as he’s a spoiler

He would fight him in Vegas, but believes there isn’t enough interest in Ward.

He wants Chavez as he has a big following and they can put on a spectical in Vegas.

I think it’s a question between pride or his family and legacy. Ward would be a boring fight in Vegas with less interest where Froch wants to give the fans a night to remember.

Posted June 5, 2014 3:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Arthur, “my ship” seems pretty fine to me because unlike the deluded sorts on this board I don’t need a wide consensus from agenda driven posters to support my points… FACT is Ward is #1 at SMW, I did not make him that I have several ranking bodies to back that, FACT is that Ward defeated Carl Froch, I did not judge the fight ringside I am just reporting the news.. You guys die on the vine when you try to sell wild opinions as fact… Never Works!

Posted June 5, 2014 9:07 am 


SREDMOND

Arthur, “my ship” seems pretty fine to me because unlike the deluded sorts on this board I don’t need a wide consensus from agenda driven posters to support my points… FACT is Ward is #1 at SMW, I did not make him that I have several ranking bodies to back that, FACT is that Ward defeated Carl Froch, I did not judge the fight ringside I am just reporting the news.. You guys die on the vine when you try to sell wild opinions as fact… Never Works!

Posted June 5, 2014 8:25 am 


SREDMOND

No Tark there is indeed a “Stigma” at times when a boxer throws in the towel… Especially in Vitalis case, you are this MASSIVE SHW fighter who is in against a guy who is really a Cruiserweight and in the late stages of the contest you opt not to come out because your arm is aching (post fight diagnosis is whatever) Gatti fought with ONE hand on more than one occasion, Mayweather has fought with broken hands, Marcianos nose was damn near off his face and Klits folded against Chris Byrd… UGLY business man, the SAME way we give him cred for trying against Lewis after Lennox drilled holes in his grill, we gotta deduct credit for that quit job..

Posted June 5, 2014 8:22 am 


SREDMOND

Frochy, from a boxing perspective Wembley cannot compete with Las Vegas man SORRY…Its a numerical FACT that some the most financially successful boxing matches in the sports history have taken place in Las Vegas Nevada.. Oscar and Floyd, Floyd and Canelo were NOT duking it out at Wembley…Don’t get me wrong the event looked cool, lotta people nice ring intros but “Groves vs Froch II” did not have any real history on the line absent a grudge match…

Posted June 5, 2014 8:18 am 


SREDMOND

Frochy, from a boxing perspective Wembley cannot compete with Las Vegas man SORRY…Its a numerical FACT that some the most financially successful boxing matches in the sports history have taken place in Las Vegas Nevada.. Oscar and Floyd, Floyd and Canelo were NOT duking it out at Wembley…Don’t get me wrong the event looked cool, lotta people nice ring intros but “Groves vs Froch II” does not really belong in the annals of history…

Posted June 5, 2014 8:18 am 


Frochy

Sred, do you realise how historic and famous wembley stadium is? MGM and Square Garden have nothing on it.

Posted June 5, 2014 1:55 am 


TARK

That was a joke Sanity… If you’re injured you can quit a fight and there’s no stigma. Obviously Lewis and Holmes didn’t quit, they were taken out.

If some fans don’t like an athlete quiting.. Fk them!!! Athletes in individual sports forfeit competititions all the time… Quit tennis matches… Quit marathons… Quit boxing matches… and come back and win later contests and fights… It’s not a big deal… Nobody can get inside of Vitali’s head and body and figure out badly he was injured.

Posted June 4, 2014 7:23 pm 


TARK

That was a joke Sanity… If you’re injured you can quit a fight and there’s no stigma. Obviously Lewis and Holmes didn’t quit, they were taken out.

If some fans don’t like an athlete quiting.. Fk them!!! Athletes in individual sports forfeit competititions all the time… Quit tennis matches… Quit marathons… Quit boxing matches… and come back and win later contests and fights… It’s not a big deal… Nobody can get inside of Vitali’s head and body and figure out badly he was injured.

Posted June 4, 2014 7:15 pm 


SANITY

Using your logic Tark , Holmes quit against Tyson .

Posted June 4, 2014 7:02 pm 


SANITY

I actually believe that Mayweather would have quit in the fifth round against Maidana due to his cut eye if he wasnt afraid he was behind on the cards .Floyd kept repeating in his corner “I cant see ” . He was looking for a way out but the door was closed .

Multimillionaires usually dont have the kind of stomach for a life n death fight that poor hungry ones do.

Posted June 4, 2014 7:01 pm 


SANITY

Froch beating Groves was a bigger “occasion ” than any of Mayweather’s fights.

The actual live audience was a full tenth of FMJ’s last pay per view fight in a country with a sixth of the population of the USA.

Showtime and Mayweather would give their left testicle to be able to put on that sort of “occasion “.

Posted June 4, 2014 6:58 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., Vitali Klitschko doesn’t give a crap what you think about the Byrd fight… He sacrificed a victory to save his health and long term career… He’s a decision maker.

Wladimir murdered Byrd TWICE… So in encounters with the Klitschkos Byrd is 1-2. Vitali battered 3 guys who knocked Wladimir down 8 times and beat him twice… so it’s tit for tat.

Lewis quit against Rahman and McCall… There was a fight was going on—and all of a sudden Lewis said goodnight.

Ali quit against Holmes… Duran quit against Leonard… Liston quit against Clay… Chavez Sr quit against De La Hoya… Jesse James Leija quit against Kostya Tszyu… Carlos Ortiz quit against Ken Buchanan… Many tennis players quit and forfeit a match… People get injured in individual sports and make a decision to quit… They try to play through it, but often they can’t … It’s not a problem.

You just hate Vitali Klitschko… That’s your problem not his… He’s rich, you’re poor.

Posted June 4, 2014 6:14 pm 


ArthurWeener

Publicenemy Froch’s career is at an end. If he decides to (and it’s 50/50 he will last time I heard him interviewed) then there’s one or 2 fights at the outside left of him.

He’s a true guts and glory throwback and when he’s gone and guys like Sred jabber on about boring, dirty fighters who have done jack to further the sport and capture a wider audience. We’ll all look back fondly and begin to see what we’re missing.

Sred just needs to get over the time he got his arse kicked by a white guy and realise that there’s good and bad in all sorts.

Posted June 4, 2014 6:14 pm 


ArthurWeener

sred you;re barking up the wrong tree. You;re on a sinking ship and struggling from one gaff to the next. Take a deep breath give props where they’re due irrespective of skin colour and chill out.

Or is this a ‘black thang?’

Posted June 4, 2014 6:11 pm 


Public Enemy

Frochs people should keep him away from Ward it’s basically a guaranteed loss and the end of his career.. Froch is about done and Wards already built his legacy using Frochs scalp, the Cobras girl is a fine piece so seeing her in the audience while SOG bags her guy again might be worth setting up the dismantling…

Posted June 4, 2014 6:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Ok Froch sold out Wembley to beat George Groves, its NOT a bout of historical significance beyond appeasing the British public…That said if Froch was a crack at the top he is gonna have to deal with Andre Ward… Just the facts

Posted June 4, 2014 5:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Whats there to “hijack” and what occasion are you discussing?? beating George Groves is NOT an occasion its a win… If Froch Fans would keep their heads and respect Froch as a SOLID #2 player at 168 as opposed to the Top Dog then I would not be forced to engage in these moments of reeducation…Again this talk of “traveling” “Stadiums” ect as attacks on Ward who is the rightful ruler at 168 will not go unchecked…

Posted June 4, 2014 5:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Moral to the story is that Froch is getting ALOT of cred for beating a guy who is not really an established player at 168, good on him for getting it together and laying Groves out but imagine Ward facing Groves it would cause an uproar…

Posted June 4, 2014 5:49 pm 


Public Enemy

If Mayweather fights BIGGER guys there is an issue, if younger they are too inexperienced… Well Cotto and Shane fought everyone under the sun and how many of those 24 rounds did they take off Mayweather? Wlad, Donaire, Vitali, Marquez, Martinez and Pacquiao ALL booked losses to NON ATG or HOF fighters and YES Vitali lost to Byrd! What makes Floyd so different? The man does NOT have off nights…. He is programmed NOT to lose…

Posted June 4, 2014 5:48 pm 


Nicolas

After Froch avenged his loss to Kessler, he was asked if he would want a rematch with Ward or a third fiht with Kessler. His response was that is a tough one. I think most would feel that he would want to avenge his loss to Ward, but he did not even say that. even though most felt Ward easily beat Froch, don’t forget that while one judge, the British one I believe felt that he had lost badly 10-2, two other judges felt he lost 7-5. Interesting also that when Showtime had the three news reporters scoring it, the one from England had it a draw (I know what). Sadly, Froch aided by the British public, as perhaps a Abraham is aide by the British public can call themselves ‘world champions’. I have heard that Abraham has said that he would like to fight Ward again (words are cheap), but one does not seem to hear that from Froch, who I think seems to dream that Ward does not exist.

Posted June 4, 2014 5:37 pm 


Janjum

Shred mind, as disgusting as it is to see the white bigots on here you are exactly the same but on the other side of the coin. Maybe their nasty racism made you stoop to their level? Better to not indulge them.

Posted June 4, 2014 5:26 pm 


Reality

Sredmond, what is sad is that you try to hijack Froch’s huge occassion of pulling 80,000 fans because you arejealous, whereas your boy Ward has no one clamouring for him to fight. No one is even remotely interested. Sorry but Ibwould rather be Froch making 10 x the pay days.
Where I’d the demand to see Ward? He can’t even sell out in his hometown.
Anyway in the meantime Ward trains, no opponent, no money in sight.

Posted June 4, 2014 5:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, its true Mayweather NEVER quit in the ring thru 5 weight classes and against countless present and former World Champs… Vitali was in there with a guy he was 7 inches taller than and 35 pounds heavier and he QUIT… SHAMEFUL

Posted June 4, 2014 5:09 pm 


TARK

Froch is 36 years old… He said long and loud that he trained harder for Groves II than any fight of his life, and winning meant more to him than any other fight.

Carl hated Groves.. The punk has been blasting Froch for months… saying he has a terrible style… no punch… no defense… no footwork… has a clunky awful, awful style… has ZERO chance to win… and just tons of patently obnoxious BS.

The fight drew the biggest crowd in British History.
87,000 fans… Froch scored a thunderous KO victory over the hated suckface, who was carrying a diaper load.

What could be better than that??? Of course it was his most satifying moment.

Posted June 4, 2014 5:01 pm 


TARK

Sremond says.., “Mayweather never showed his panties.”

I wasn’t aware that he wore them… Maybe he should get together with Oscar.

Posted June 4, 2014 4:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Anonymous, Ward gets paid by HBO, and how much he ultimately makes remains to be seen REMEMBER Carl Froch is 37 and near the end of his career and he was largely seen a guy who wanted to be Joe Calzaghe for quite awhile with his claims of besting Joe etc… Ward is what 29 or 30 and his future is still in front of him while Froch is calling beating George Groves the highlight of his career (that’s kinda sad) Ward won the Super 6 as an underdog and attained P4P #2 status in the sport at a young age… Rather be Ward right about now!

Posted June 4, 2014 4:28 pm 


Anonymous

Sredmond, I think for the boxers it is how much they make and adoration by fans. Unfortunately Ward has none. Really tragically his promoter is wasting his career and basically not getting him fights because he is suing him. So his prime is being wasted. He us not very popular in the US and can only seem to sell 8,O00 arenas in Oakland.

Posted June 4, 2014 4:08 pm 


SREDMOND

Anonymous, like Froch in the US you are “Anonymous” Froch will be remembered fondly in the UK and he should be the guy had a really terrific career and he will one day be able to tell his kids that he only lost to the GREAT Andre Ward who outclassed him and everyone around… AGAIN assuming everything you say is true, none of it helped Froch book a win against Ward which is what boxing is all about!

Posted June 4, 2014 4:00 pm 


Anonymous

Sredmond, and Ward’s vastly inferior intelligence, fan friendly style means Froch will end up vastly richer and well remembered. Froch just made 10 million pounds. Ward cannot even get a fight, lol and no one actually cares. Not even his 6,000 fans in Oakland.

Posted June 4, 2014 3:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Marilyn, the ONLY reason guys wanna inject the concept of a “home record” is they are BUTT HURT that Froch and Kessler got embarrassed by a relatively GREEN fighter and for the record Froch fought Ward in Atlantic City NOT Oakland… Froch was fine beating Glenn Johnson there but his inferior skills got him schooled by a one handed Ward out there… FACTS

Posted June 4, 2014 3:26 pm 


Marilyn13

I don’t think Froch has a problem living with the fact that his home record matches Ward’s. Ward probably has more of a problem living with his lack of popularity.

Posted June 4, 2014 2:55 pm 


BEARS(Ban SREDMOND vote yes)

VOTE YES

Posted June 4, 2014 2:38 pm 


BEARS

now its “whatever the profile” lol

your a nutsack dude.

FAIL

Posted June 4, 2014 2:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, whatever the profile Ward beat Froch AZZ and that’s really something the Cobra has had to live with while overcoming the George Groves of the World..I know, I know you probably went back on youtube and scored the fight for Froch or made it a draw? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 4, 2014 2:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Vitali LOST and he QUIT so his record is by definition VERY imperfect… QUITTING is one of the MOST shameful things a boxer can do ESPECIALLY against an undersized foe in the late stages of the bout…When the going got tough Klits said “No Mas” meanwhile Mayweather is 46-0 and has fought bigger men than himself yet never showed his panties.

Posted June 4, 2014 2:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Jody, Froch is NOT a well known boxer on US soil, we know the he and Groves can sell tickets at Wembley but that’s NOT Madison Square Garden or the MGM Grand in Vegas… Guys who wanted to become megastars Lewis, Hatton, Khan, Calzaghe (late as hell) fought in Vegas….

Posted June 4, 2014 2:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Cotto does have the “tools” but the thing that troubles me is that Miguel has always been a high contact fighter and against Martinez this would have always been an issue..If Martinez can take shots from 181 pound Chavez Jr, Im thinking he can shrug off Miguels blows coming from 154

Posted June 4, 2014 2:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears “getting shown 2x in a day is major coverage” ????? all bouts aired on HBO are usually shown 2x per day dopey.. AGAIN Froch is NOT a high profile boxer in the US that does NOT mean he is not the #2 SMW in the world but it is indeed a FACT..

Posted June 4, 2014 2:11 pm 


TARK

@ DMX…, NOPE!!! … Vitali never did lose a first round in his whole career — including those with Lewis and Byrd.

How can you be the ony world champ who’s never been knocked down AND has never been behind on points if you ever lost a first round?

Posted June 4, 2014 2:05 pm 


Jody

Froch isn’t high profile? He could draw more fans than Ward in Wards living room. What is this guy smoking?

Posted June 4, 2014 1:54 pm 


BEARS

sredmond = failure

Posted June 4, 2014 1:54 pm 


Marilyn13

Not a high profile fighter, yet higher than Ward? Enough so the Ward is trying to hang from his coat tails? Everything’s relative I suppose… But it must feel pretty tragic to Ward to face such disinterest in his own country while champion. Makes you wonder why he’ll only fight there!

Posted June 4, 2014 1:47 pm 


BEARS

froch last fight was shown twice in one day MAJOR COVERAGE SON. its ward who is not a high profile fighter ya dumb biatch

Posted June 4, 2014 1:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, Froch is NOT a high profile boxer in the US, the current HW Champ is not either in this country as evidenced by his fights not really being televised here..

Posted June 4, 2014 1:37 pm 


ECAT

Sredmond is as predictable as night follows the day… I knew this would come…

“you cant PRODUCE more than “a weak one liner” but I cannot be mad at a “ “guy” ” who is held back by “his” skill level… “

Posted June 4, 2014 12:45 pm 


BEARS

froch not high profile? your phukn retard sredmond

Posted June 4, 2014 12:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Sorry Marilyn at the end of the day Wards and Chavez future is on US TV no one really relies on the UK for PPV revenue… That said Ward vs Chavez would do solid business because Julio is the A side of the PPV and Ward is a US fighter… Outside hardcore fans, the US does not really know Carl Froch on a mass basis he is gonna need a US based guy to bring his name out…Chavez Jr can mobilize Mexican Americans, so facing the Top SMW around will do nicely in terms of making some $$$$ it worked with Martinez who fights out of the US and it would work with Ward… Carl Froch is important to you guys in the UK and as a hardcore boxing fan I give him his due, to the US masses he is not a high profile guy

Posted June 4, 2014 12:16 pm 


Marilyn13

Sredmond, you can’t seriously see a Ward Chavez fight down the line? Ward simply isn’t a big enough draw and there are far more lucrative fights for Chavez – Froch for one. And you don’t reckon that Ward is in Froch’s shadow when he makes a bluff call for a UK fight, just to try and get his name noticed again?

Posted June 4, 2014 12:01 pm 


old st nick

who is this sredmond guy? He posts like someone actually cares. He is on every thread. Nobody cares what he thinks and this window licker is telling everyone how they are wrong responding to every post if it does not jive with his. Newsflash people disagree with you. Accepting it or not but STFU. You are not changing anyone’s mind you baboon.

Posted June 4, 2014 11:54 am 


SREDMOND

ECAT, you cant PRODUCE more than “a weak one liner” but I cannot be mad at a “ “guy” ” who is held back by “his” skill level… Carry on!

Posted June 4, 2014 11:20 am 


SREDMOND

ECAT, you cant PRODUCE more than “a weak one liner” but I cannot be mad at a “ “guy” ” who is held back by his skill level… Carry on!

Posted June 4, 2014 11:12 am 


SREDMOND

ECAT, you cant PRODUCE more than “a weak one liner” but I cannot be mad at a guy who is held back by his skill level… Carry on!

Posted June 4, 2014 11:03 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, when did Zab Judah get credited with a 10-8 round for putting Floyd down? how did it happen? please tell us of these events? 46-0 NEVER lost, NEVER down, one card lost in 18 years NEVER QUIT, 22 World Title fights, 5 weight classes… Vitali was quitting against a guy who retired at 175 pounds which is SHAMEFUL…

Posted June 4, 2014 11:02 am 


BEARS

is that turd retardmon multi-posting his opinions again? even telling himself floyds not guilty of suffering knockdowns bu the official rules of boxing? bahahahahahahah!

poor phuk heads loosing the racewar raging in his mind

Posted June 4, 2014 10:49 am 


ECAT

SREDMOND you are not worth more than “a WEAK one liner”…

Posted June 4, 2014 10:37 am 


SREDMOND

ECAT, I would be happy for you to demonstrate my lack of knowledge? Do you have rebuttals you want to offer or just a WEAK one liner?

Posted June 4, 2014 10:26 am 


ECAT

SREDMOND, your opinion is based on a huge lack of

knowledge so keep it to yourself.

Posted June 4, 2014 10:00 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, Vitali did NOT lose to Lewis “Due to incidental injury” he LOST because Lewis broke his face open with a clean punch despite you and Bears silly fantasies that’s why his big AZZZ has a TKO loss on his record.. Mayweather would NEVER have allowed another boxer to break his face open like that especially as a prime age fighter like Vitali was against a fading OG boxer… But reality is that Klits largely feasted on the Charr’s, Sosnowski’s, KingPin Johnsons and other sub World Class opponents so he was ill prepared to go 12 with even an aging ATG…

Posted June 4, 2014 9:47 am 


SREDMOND

How EXACTLY does “Ward need Froch” ???? Ward does NOT need to avenge any losses because he does NOT have any… Ward does NOT need to beat Froch to become #1 because he ALREADY did beat him and he ALREADY is #1…Carl Froch is not somebodys money machine, get a grip we are not gonna see him on the Forbes list so lets stop the fantasy… Reality is that if Ward never fights Froch again it really does not matter, he can make MORE $$$ on PPV against Chavez Jr or some other guy down the road and he already has Froch’s scalp on his mantle..

Posted June 4, 2014 9:45 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, Vitali Klitschko CANNOT and will NEVER compare to Floyd Mayweather as a fighter.. First of all Floyd fought thru his injuries in the ring and WON against Castillo, Hernandez and others (shoulder, bad hands) Vitali is a man who QUIT against a MUCH smaller boxer and was renamed “Quitsko” for a period time for his display of cowardice.. Vitali was also beaten up to the face and TKOed by Lennox Lewis, a ref NEVER had to save Floyd Mayweather from permanent damage at the hands of a fighter especially one that was older than Floyd… Floyd Mayweather has fought MORE HOFER’s, World Class and World Champion fighters than Vitali by a countrymile… You losers were trying to sell him beating a WASHED up Shannon Briggs as something special HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Vitali has retired, and where is the parade? who really cares? he was NOT the top HW in his weight class anyway!! I know you are gonna say “Wlad said he is a natural fighter” SORRY Wlads testimony cannot vacate his older brother playing second fiddle.

Posted June 4, 2014 9:37 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, Mayweather has NEVER been down in the real since of the word LOL! Zab never had him off his feet and against Hernandez he punched the guy in the head, hurt his hand and then allowed his own glove to touch the canvas GROWUP and stop your fantasy… Mayweather has NEVER been put on the deck by a fighter and more importantly NEVER lost to one…

Posted June 4, 2014 9:32 am 


SREDMOND

Ward has HARDLY been in Froch shadow, reality is that Froch had to square things up with Kessler who Ward easily defeated, then he had to do 2 matches with George Groves who was not on the radar till he put Carl Froch on his azz.. Ward does need to be more active and resolve his disputes with management, that said Carl Froch has not really broken new ground in terms of level of comp or showed us that he is a better fighter.

Posted June 4, 2014 9:30 am 


ArthurWeener

Regarding Ward. My feeling is simply – if a fighter isn’t fighting then he is an irrelevance in his division. Simple.

It’s up to Ward to make the running and get back in the ring before he becomes a footnote in history. He’s been massively in Froch’s shadow the past 18 months.

Posted June 4, 2014 8:22 am 


Marilyn13

I don’t think Froch fans direspect Ward as a fighter. I certainly don’t. I merely question his attitude, specifically his refusal to fight without home advantage. Who else in the super six tournament insisted it was congigured to their stay-at-home requirements? And while I admit it is conjecture, I find it interesting to question WHY he fears those away fights… and one interpretation of that fear is a lack of confidence in his own ability if forced to fight in a more hostile environment. Froch has no reason to fear Ward – as the record states, he has already lost to him once after all. But Ward (assuming he’s only interested in his record rather than impressing a wider group of fight fans with a change in attitude and spirit), if he thinks in the back of his mind that loss of home advantage might switch around those two 115-113 scores, has every reason to avoid a Froch rematch on UK or neutral ground. Call it simple pragmatism rather than fear if you will.

Posted June 4, 2014 7:38 am 


ArthurWeener

Sredmond isn’t a troll, he’s a black supremacist with a limited boxing knowledge. That is all.

It borders on the psychotic but sometimes it’s really difficult convincing Sred that there is life beyond Lennox Lewis and Floyd Pantyfeather.

Posted June 4, 2014 4:45 am 


DMX

TARK

This may sound like a foolish question but I am quite sincere

Has Vitali Klitschko never lost a first round throughout his whole career?

Posted June 4, 2014 2:55 am 


Jody

This guy SRedmond is a troll

Posted June 4, 2014 2:48 am 


Anonymous

STEVENSON IS STILL OUT THERE FOR WARD, AT 175 OR EVEN AT 168, BUT WARD REFUSES TO EVEN ANSWER HIM. KOVALEV IS THERE FOR WARD, BUT WARD WANTS TO FIGHT A FLYWEIGHT IN HIS HOME TOWN WITH HIS PERSONAL REFEREE, JUDGES, BOXING COMMISSION, ETC.

Posted June 4, 2014 1:49 am 


BEARS

i cant believe mayweather came out with a circus like dudes been reading my posts. mayweathers a good fighter for sure, rather a great one. i think we could be legitimately be callin him the goat if he would have fought and defeated all the best fighters available.

he has just always dodged or ducked the best matchups. did not wantto risk making all that money. did not want to risk loosing

Posted June 4, 2014 1:22 am 


TARK

Sredmond the badly mistaken.., “46-0, 5 WEIGHT CLASSES, 22 WORLD TITLE FIGHTS, NEVER DOWN”

Floyd was down twice… once officially against Carlos Hernandez… and once unofficially against Zab Judah.

The only long reigning world champion who never went down in a boxing match was Vitali Klitschko — who also owns another distinction Floyd doesn’t have… he was never behind on points.

Vitali was never out-boxed, he only lost due to injury.

Posted June 3, 2014 7:57 pm 


Big Al

Ward needs Froch more than Froch needs Ward.

END OF STORY!

Posted June 3, 2014 7:21 pm 


tesholama

let’s ward stay home and rot
it is what he does, it isn’t?
surrounded by his mad barking fans
let’s them rot too

Posted June 3, 2014 4:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, if Mayweather is “Exposed” he must have been dropped from the rankings and denounced as a hype job right? But wait I am looking at Ring Magazine and ESPN and they list Floyd Mayweather as the UNIFED CHAMPION AT 147 AND 154!!! HOLY COW!! How can an exposed fighter enjoy such acclaim HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 46-0, 5 WEIGHT CLASSES, 22 WORLD TITLE FIGHTS, NEVER DOWN, LINEAL CHAMP 4 WEIGHT CLASSES, 9 TIME WORLD CHAMPION YEAH!!! (LITTLE JON VOICE)

Posted June 3, 2014 4:34 pm 


tesholama

let’s ward stay home and rot
it is what he does, it isn’t?
surrounded by his mad barking fans
let’s them rot too

Posted June 3, 2014 4:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, Maidana is a World Class fighter you REALLY don’t know boxing AT all!!! You LOVE KO artists until they don’t KO the guy that you want defeated.. I think that Canelo is a better technical fighter than Maidana but Marcos was much more of a bother against Mayweather than the bigger and better technically schooled Canelo Alvarez… Calling him “garbage” brands you an IDIOT AS USUAL… Notice you just called several recent World Champions “Garbage” meanwhile you would believe that Golovkin should be HW Champion if he punched a chubby BUM like you in the mouth with no titles…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 3, 2014 4:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Guerrero is NOT garbage by a long shot he is a multiweight Champion and he beat Bertos AZZ to get his shot against Mayweather again you know NOTHING…Guerrero is a legit World Class fighter he just got taken to school like all Mayweather opponents..

Posted June 3, 2014 4:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, Mayweather was outweighed by Ortiz 14 pounds, Cotto 12 pounds, Canelo 16 pounds, Maidana 17 or 18 pounds…Marquez called out Mayweather and got taken to school by the MASTER, it was in the contract that Floyd could weigh up till 147 provided he paid for pounds above 144… Mayweather has NEVER hit the ring at more than 150 which is tiny for WW’s… You are the SAME guy screaming he should fight 160 pound GGG after moving up a full 5 divisions from where he started YET you are whining about him outboxing Marquez for 12 rounds when JMM is the SAME guy who knocked Pacquiao cold and boxed him to a very debatable loss in the 3rd fight 3 or 4 years AFTER Mayweather took him to school… AGAIN your double standards are a by product of your inbreeding accompanying low intelligence.

Posted June 3, 2014 4:19 pm 


BEARS

mayweather = EXPOSED

Posted June 3, 2014 3:24 pm 


BEARS

floyds recent opponents have been b listers or worse or ruined. even jmm was just in the 130s like guerrero. jmm was outweighed by mayweather and may did not even weigh in fight night. we know canelo was stamina-less and that bout was ruined.

ortiz, guerrero, and maidana! bahahahahahahahaha! number one welter my a$$! them cats are garbage and the inly one who can lift himself out of the garbage a little is maidana. “guerrero coming off his biggest win” lol@ sretardmon what an utter imbecile

Posted June 3, 2014 3:22 pm 


BEARS

nobody said anything about “recent” opponents. this is a classic “gem” of a post from sredmond. this guy has no reading comprehension.

he ends up revisioning and rewording a persons post then commenting on whats actually his own fabrication. the dudes a joke and his posts are more irrelevant than ward is to the average boxing fan. lol. they do not warrant a response. his posts just are not good enough.

im not interested in deffending whites from sretardmons racial agenda. sretardmon can multipost all be wants. it just further elucidates what a phuk head he is and woe onto any east sider who fails to glean as much

Posted June 3, 2014 2:49 pm 


SREDMOND

Matthews, Froch is a World Champion no one argues that but he is NOT King of the division and Froch Fans “expecting” a guy who alreadly soundly defeated him and dominates the division to appease them is patently DUMB and in defiance of boxing tradition… If Froch wants revenge he should be open to whatever it takes to get it, HE LOST and he HE LOST clearly, beating George Groves after 2 fights does not erase his loss to Ward… SORRY

Posted June 3, 2014 1:37 pm 


Anonymous

You just happened to be in the vicinity? Perfect timing wouldn’t you say? Yeah right.

Posted June 3, 2014 1:10 pm 


matthews

Yeah ok well if you believe were the same it must be true. This dude below me ain’t me either. Anyways froch is scared of ward. Admit it. Peace out.

Posted June 3, 2014 12:58 pm 


matthews

I’m not SREDMOND.

Posted June 3, 2014 12:51 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND talking to himself again. Caught you out big time there. What a coincidence that matthews miraculously appears within seconds.

Posted June 3, 2014 12:49 pm 


matthews

Whats funny is ward fans respect froch as a good fighter, while froch fans disrespect ward at every turn. And they expect ward to fight over there.

Posted June 3, 2014 12:48 pm 


matthews

Sredmond, that’s ain’t me. Just these wonderful froch fans who like their fighter likes to hide behind falsehoods.

Posted June 3, 2014 12:44 pm 


SREDMOND

Jody, WHY does Ward have to move up? Why does Froch not move up? Reason you think Ward should move up is because begrudgingly admitting that he has DOMINATED 168 and you what want Carl Froch to get the Ring Belt in his absence because that’s the ONLY way its gonna happen? Ward ruling 168 is his prerogative and I don’t hear the Kovalevs and Stevensons calling him out each man would be treated to a clinic they are mere brutes in the ring with a technician like that…

Posted June 3, 2014 12:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Matthews, WEAK response man reality is that I am NOT ranking Mayweather or making him the P4P King blame ALL the guys he beat, all the writers, ranking bodies and fans.. I’m just the messenger!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 3, 2014 12:26 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears you compare the version of Judah that Malignaggi fought with recent Mayweather opponents? that makes NO sense you idiot AND Floyd is not 37!! Maidana, PRIME coming off his BEST win, Canelo PRIME undefeated coming off his BEST win, Guerrero PRIME, coming off his best win.. You cannot attack the P4P King and try to sell me Malignaggi beating serial LOSER Zab Judah who is NOT creeping up on double digit losses… I guess you must worship Floyd for beating him when he was in his prime physically and had only what 2 losses?? Bears you are simply TOO removed from boxing outside that RANCID HW division and too DUMB to gain ground with me… You are mentally VERY inferior and there is nothing you can do to address that or overcome it…. Sorry!

Posted June 3, 2014 12:25 pm 


matthews

SREDMOND, stop sucking off Mayweather, Dre, Broner and all the other black fighters you blow off its REALLY sad

Posted June 3, 2014 12:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Jody, as for Bute he was LIGHTLY regarded relative to other participants in the tourney who had to got thru the meat grinder while Bute was taking some softer touches.. He got in with Froch who is a World Champ and was quickly knocked out and has failed to impress since… Ward had already BESTED the guys who stepped to the plate in the Super 6, Bute is not and was not among that lot… AGAIN Carl Froch can beat Bute but he could not beat Andre Ward and that’s the part of this thesis that sits like a HOT poker in your rear my man!

Posted June 3, 2014 12:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Jody, I disagree 10000% Ward beat Kessler EVERY minute of that fight and never let him in the bout… Whining about some incidental contact is not gonna change my opinion especially when a veteran fighter like Kessler had Ward in the first round of the tourney when Dre had only faced Edison Miranda as his top fight…Its shameful that you are offering such limp excuses for a then prime and seasoned boxer like Kessler who got manhandled… As for Froch if he is inclined to take another and likely WORSE beating from Ward I would certainly watch but the first fight offered NO compelling reason for a second bout…

Posted June 3, 2014 12:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, we all know that Maidana beat Broner FACT is that Broner took on some real challenges by moving up and facing a hardass of that caliber 17 pounds north of where he started and WHY do you suddenly think Lara is gonna beat Canelo? This is the SAME guy who was on the floor 2x against Angulo who is a punching bag nobodys speed demon.. I think Lara is a very talented fighter but he has NOT shown me anything that says he is gonna beat Canelo and the FACT is that you are just saying that because you are now abandoning Alvarez as a fighter… If losses mean a guy is done why the hell do you respect Wlad who was getting clobbered by relative NOBODIES, Sanders and Brewster ONLY became World Champs because they beat Wlads AZZ no other reason LOL… Broner is young, maybe he grows maybe not but selling him as done because a World Class puncher like Maidana beat him over 12 rounds is CORNY…

Posted June 3, 2014 12:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, if you REALLY follow boxing you would know that Zab has been suspect for YEARS, he pretty much opted out of 2 fights against Clottey and Khan the guy is good for a few rounds and then crumbles MOST times look at his record over the past few years… Fighting Hard against Danny Garcia in the latter rounds of ANOTHER loss was one of the lone bright spots in a career that has been spiraling for years you fool.

Posted June 3, 2014 12:10 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, it looked EXACTLY LIKE Canelo because it WAS Canelo who is in his physical prime and simply got boxed mindless… Guess he was NOT “The Matrix” did you REALLY think Austin Trout has faster hands than Mayweather moron?

Posted June 3, 2014 12:08 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, stop sucking off Tark its REALLY sad and I just discussed in detail about 40 BOXING related items below all you are doing is whining to Tark about how “he should not talk to another man” you seriously sound like a child.. Man up and learn how to argue, simply concede, or murder yourself in the most painful way imaginable… HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 3, 2014 12:07 pm 


BEARS

concerning canelo vs mayweather it did not even look like canelo in there.

if At any point canelos team thought they were gonna beat fraud at his own game of boxing it would have been incredibly stupid.

canelo’s advantage was in being able to close the gap let his hands go make it a brutal streat fight. the kid was boileddown into nothingness and did the smart thing and did not gas or get hit much. saved what stamina he had.

i think he will show his young greatness by beating lara. i would still favor lara against floyd post a canelo defeat. canelo is Awesome however broner sux and everyone knows it but sredmond. and thats for the reasons i stated below abiut sretardmon.

blowing against maidana, getting smoked, then acting like there is something positive to take away from it? i know sounds ridiculous but broners black and u know sretardmons M.O.

then maligns malinaggi for his zab win and discredits zab with his age, losses, and ability to go strong all 12 rounds. how m ny old, multi loss, inable to go strong for 12 rounds opponents we seen mayweather in with? this dudes double standards are unreal.

in fact there is no double standard. if your black u are black u get credited. white you get discredited. welcome to sredmonds M..O.

who even responds much to this savage? i swear posters who speak well of the guy are going on the retard list. we will call it TEAM RETARD

Posted June 3, 2014 11:56 am 


Q

Agreed Bears. SREDMOND only sees things through the prism of race and everything he says is geared to fit around that. And yet somewhere along the way during his descent into total delusion he’s found a way to convince himself that others should take him seriously.

Posted June 3, 2014 11:53 am 


Jody

Sredmond, Froch then went on to beat Bute, who he demolished and was the underdog going into the fight. At the time he was thought of as being Wards only real challenge. Ward head butted his way to a win against Kessler, fought well against Froch and then KO’d Dawson, who in my opinion was never all that anyway. Why wasn’t Ward so quick to take a Bute fight? I’m not saying Ward would get beaten by Carl but I am saying Carl deserves a shot if he wants it. Since he lost to Andre who’s done more? Exactly, Ward isn’t active enough to claim to be the king of any division. Let’s see him go up and take on Stevenson

Posted June 3, 2014 11:50 am 


BEARS

TARK you should not even respond to that phuk head. he is making sh!t about u and claiming u were making the opposite prediction of what u actually did.

that guy never adds any boxing insight he comes here and tries to assign value/credit.

he credits blacks and discredits whites. that is all he does. he does not talk boxing. u do not hear him talk about offense in detail. nothing about punches or stats, or footwork, or gap control, he does not even begin to know how to examine a fight. he does not identify tactics of any kind even dirty tactics. he struggles to even gauge how effective strikes are. sredmond is utter garbage at interpreting boxing. he is essentially blabbing a black staus quo .

the guy is utter garbage and any poster who fails to detect thats a phukn retard. obviously u have detected it

Posted June 3, 2014 11:28 am 


SREDMOND

I would NOT say that Carl Froch has been ducking anyone, I think at this point he knows that he stands to be outclassed against Ward and is pursuing the best financial opportunity that he can find in a winnable fight… Remember he just had to do 2 fights with George Groves in order to prove his point he is not showing us anything to suggest he is gonna do better with Ward… Sadly guys the UK and Wembley are NOT the Mecca of boxing and even Froch knows that… Wards opportunities are in the US on Cable TV, perhaps he gains traction and becomes a bankable commodity, perhaps not? Floyd did not become a superstar till his 30′s so there is still time for Ward that said the FACTS that cannot be intelligently disputed are his BESTING of Froch and his sitting atop the 168 pound weight class.. Froch is a tough man that said whats he been up to? REMATCHES with guys he made good fights with because he could NOT dominate them ie Kessler and Groves… Ward leaves NO doubt so his dominance is CLEAR and irrefutable…

Posted June 3, 2014 10:51 am 


Anonymous

max kellerman.the classic american idiot.

Posted June 3, 2014 10:42 am 


SandBag

That Froch can be accused of ducking anyone and by someone calling himself a boxing analyst on top of that is beyond me. Froch not only as fought everyone everywhere, he’s been into various wars like the Kessler and Jean Pascal fights and come from behind victories (Taylor). He has put his a$$ on the line continuously and provided boxing fans entertaining fights. He deserves the big payday and deserves to chose who he will fight next at this stage of his career. And Ward not only brings nothing to the table but he is unwilling to travel (what a nerve). let him stay in Oakland and make 1.5 million a fight and make his broadcaster’s ratings stink. Froch – JCC in Vegas in the fall!

Posted June 3, 2014 10:28 am 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo, that then suggests the PERFECT day for Canelo while trying to find Mayweather on the downside… Reality is that a young Champ wanting the reigns of power is getting a premium shot when he faces an 18 year vet who is not even boxing in his best weight class (Floyd) a fact that you have acknowledged..At 42 Canelo might walk thru Floyd but how much REAL cred would he get for that win? He got a slower, more stationary version of FMJ and the Old Craftsman as not ready to hang them up whereas Terry Norris tore Leonards balls off at age 23, if you try hard enough there will always be an excuse for a loss..

Posted June 3, 2014 10:09 am 


te tumbo

what ruined the Floyd v. Canelo bout was Canelo accepting the matchup under ANY conditions. i was more impressed by his DOMINANT win over Trout than Tark was. unfortunately, an otherwise very green and barely-tested Canelo became just as impressed with himself. all of his pre-fight talk of being younger and “Mayweather had his time. It’s now my time” only made me shake my head with apprehension. it became evident that Canelo was imagining that his boxing prowess and ring-smarts were almost equal to Floyd’s and that his youth would make up the remaining and narrow gap between them. what we saw instead was predictable: Canelo was too green and way too inexperienced to challenge Floyd in a contest of boxing skills and experience. that’s Floyd’s game and it became evident pretty soon that Canelo had unwittingly crossed the threshold into “Money’s” office and time.

Posted June 3, 2014 10:00 am 


SREDMOND

GGG is totally being given too much cred when his resume STINKS saying that the world is ducking him has gotten VERY old given the amount of hype going around like Sergio is a bum or something… Martinez is the LEGIT MW Champion he earned that in the ring and has multiple defenses of his title… How many World Class opponents or Champs has Golovkin defeated? His best name was a Martinez TKO victim and not really at the upper end of 160 (Macklin)…

Posted June 3, 2014 9:42 am 


SREDMOND

When did Broner lose a bout at 135 or 140? FACT is that he never did because he waxed De Marco at 135 and Rees at 135 then jumped to 147, his only fight at 140 was recent and he just teed off on his opponent during a comeback fight… So my point stands about his dominance at 135 and 140 thus far, would I love to see him in with Garcia at 140??? Sure why not Danny is a mean left hooker but if Broner can survive Maidana who is a BIG multi weight puncher he and Garcia make for a compelling matchup.

Posted June 3, 2014 9:40 am 


Anonymous

agree the trouble with boxing today is to many hype jobs.

Posted June 3, 2014 9:37 am 


SREDMOND

Sorry Broner did NOT lose to Ponce De Leon what fight were you watching and when you get a minute forward me that result LOL!!! Broner is BOLD and moved up from 130 to 147 in a REALLY short period of time and actually defeated the top boxer at 135 in a SHORT period of time whereas GGG has talked a good game but STAYED at 160 facing Tomato Cans and NEVER beating a standing Champion that mattered… Besides I thought being Undefeated did not matter to you guys??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Posted June 3, 2014 9:37 am 


Mental racist lunatic Redmond

you just got raped bwahaha

Posted June 3, 2014 9:24 am 


Mental racist lunatic Redmond

SREDMOND

Tark, YOU are part of the problem with Golovkin, trying to sell the guy as more than he has proven

matthysse would be lucky to make it to the final bell against broner

broner looks so damn unbeatable

Anyone who believes that the remaining relevant fighters at 135 and 140 would be able to best Broner had better 1) be blind 2) be part of the fighters immediate family or entourage 3) Be his promoter

Rios would be beaten to within an inch of his life by Broner

Broner is the only guy I have seen employ that style to its proper effect in the tradition of Floyd and Toney in a LONG time, his ability to slip, roll and counter with speed are unreal

bwahaha

Posted June 3, 2014 9:21 am 


Mental racist lunatic Redmond

The only reason you need to see this guy in with Garcia, or JMM ALREADY at age 23 is because he looks so damn unbeatable

broner looks so damn unbeatable but he lost to little daniel de ponce leon, nobody fernando quintero, and marcos maidana and barely scrapped past an old magic man? mental racist lunatic remond logic at work again. bwahahaha

Posted June 3, 2014 9:14 am 


SREDMOND

And YES I totally think that Golovkin is WAYYYY overrated he has not conquered the weight classes that Broner did and part of Broners issues are a result of moving up and finding out everyone is not falling… !

Posted June 3, 2014 9:06 am 


SREDMOND

Broner is a terrific fighter do you think my opinion changed because he lost to the teak tough Marcos Maidana who was able to push even the Grandmaster Floyd Mayweather? Broner showed a TON of heart and character in that bout and was fighting hard to the end despite being hurt early and often while hitting the deck! Gotta give him credit he sure as hell did not end up facedown like the GREAT Manny Pacquiao! Thanks for keeping a record of my work appreciate the hero worship !!!!

Posted June 3, 2014 9:04 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, ALL my posts have boxing related content WHAT you are discussing AS USUAL is “Race” which is simply the by product of me continually smashing your 3rd grade arguments and shaming a Neo Nazi like yourself… Thankfully your daughter is growing up in an increasingly enlightened era where I am sure she will be exposed to plenty of men of color as she hits puberty… Enjoy!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA! PS Mayweather is the boss 46-0 , Ward #2 this is boxing reality when you get a chance KILL YOURSELF :)

Posted June 3, 2014 9:02 am 


Mental racist lunatic Redmond

SREDMOND

Tark, YOU are part of the problem with Golovkin, trying to sell the guy as more than he has proven

- – - -

i think it’s about time someone dug out sredmond’s broner’s a god posts. this fool’s hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Posted June 2, 2014 10:08 pm

throwing stones from the glass house

SREDMOND

Broners EARLY tough fight with De Leon was 5 bouts ago and it was his first time in with a World Class boxer… The guy is 23 and his progress is frightening, face facts the Broner of today would blow the smaller De Leon out of the ring and guys like Ricky Burns are not even a challenge… Marquez would be awesome because he is literally the #2 technician in the sport but he would be confronted with youth, speed and talent in Broner (super matchup) Brandon Rios would be a bloody mask and likely TKOed it would be target practice…

SREDMOND

Broner is terrific and NO fighter is Barack Obama or he would likely be doing something other than fighting… This is boxing and personalities and deviance are going to abound, if you cannot expect puritanical conduct from the TOP General in the country then why expect it from a boxer? Personally I like that freedom sport allows people to become wealthy without abiding by every “mainstream ideal” you can put the fighter with the best manners and comportment in the ring with Broner at 135 if you want and he is going to LOSE.. This kid is gifted and he has obviously been working hard at his craft…

Posted November 20, 2012 12:41 pm

B Red

Broner is the truth and put together a masterpiece. He can dominate up to 147

SREDMOND

Rios would be beaten to within an inch of his life by Broner, this would be a Pacquiao/Margarito type fight… Broner is WAY too fast and sharp a puncher for a free swinger like Rios it would be another beatdown..I see Rios going down like Gatti did against Floyd Mayweather this is NOT a fight that Rios EVER wants… Totally different class of boxer…

Posted November 19, 2012 7:09 pm

SREDMOND

Burn 22, all boxers are some variation of other boxers, Broner stands out because the style employed by he Toney and Mayweather and to some degree Hopkins (Philly Shell) is NOT as widely used… The reality is that if you gave 100 boxers the challenge of being effective with that style you might have 0.5% actually be able to effectively implement… It works for Broner because he has the speed, reflexes and obvious committment to mastery…Reality is that Broner has taken ownership of this style, but he is more willing to exchange and is not letting anyone hear the bell who does not have to… He has NOT fought the quality of fighters Floyd has but he is out to hurt guys….

Posted November 19, 2012 3:42 pm

SREDMOND

Burn, clearly his style is modeled after Floyd Mayweather but the ability to EXECUTE is the differentiating factor… Broner is not in there just trying look like Floyd Mayweather he is beating fighters DOWN with skill and precision… If every guy in boxing could master that style, and hit and don’t get hit with relative impunity they would…I initially questioned Broners ability to consistently execute while fighting like Floyd, but just like a guy learning Tae Kwan Do, he has mastered a mode of combat and has made it his OWN….

Posted November 19, 2012 10:33 am

SREDMOND

The only reason you need to see this guy in with Garcia, or JMM ALREADY at age 23 is because he looks so damn unbeatable, NO ONE thought Demarco was anything but a tough out before he got destroyed on Sat… Thats revisionist and moving up weight classes is not something to be taken lightly… The guy is YOUNG and he has time to build a legacy properly, 135 may prove to be where he is comfortable, even though I doubt it… He and Donaire are blazing thru fighters in a manner that makes the naysayers uncomfortable… Some guys just have it

SREDMOND

Broner just had is FIRST fight at 135 and he took on the BEST guy available at the weight… That was a Championship fight and there were questions to be answered as to Broners grit and ability to handle a guy who keeps coming like Demarco does historically… Broner instead had a coming out party at Demarcos expense and let everyone know his skills were REAL, he is not a guy emulating Mayweather he is a guy dominating like Mayweather… Shane Mosely was used to imitate Floyd in sparring with ODH and ODH lost, and when Shane got in there with the Grandmaster he lost… Broner is the only guy I have seen employ that style to its proper effect in the tradition of Floyd and Toney in a LONG time, his ability to slip, roll and counter with speed are unreal…

Posted November 19, 2012 8:32 am

SREDMOND

Anyone who believes that the remaining relevant fighters at 135 and 140 would be able to best Broner had better 1) be blind 2) be part of the fighters immediate family or entourage 3) Be his promoter… I am loathe to anoint these fighters too soon but Broner is simply a special talent

Posted November 18, 2012 4:55 pm

PEEJ

Broner is the truth and in time yall will all see. Everybody is quick to judge but he doesn’t have that many fights. Yall need to wait until a bit longer in his career when he has had some more fights.

Posted February 4, 2013 12:45 am

SREDMOND

Matthysse would be lucky to make it to the final bell against Broner.

Posted January 17, 2013 3:16 pm

Posted June 2, 2014 10:30 pm

throwing stones from the glass house

Posted June 3, 2014 9:01 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, did you REALLY start lauding Malignaggi for beating an OLD Judah who had what 7 losses and simply cannot fight for 12 rounds with vigor on a regular basis? Man you are desperate to sell Shawn Porter as the next big thing… Notice that Floyd Mayweather is facing World Champions for the most part, what Championship does Thurman or Lara hold at this point? AGAIN these are just fights that a BUM like you wants to see the public is not making ANY noise about these boxers or barely knows them…

Posted June 3, 2014 8:59 am 


SREDMOND

XXX, Froch has fought a nice schedule but that cannot change the fact that the TOP dog in the division made LIGHT work of him… Beating people other than “The man” is NICE but alas you are still “beating around the bush” and you cannot be #1 hence Wards P4P status and Ring Belt at 168 designating him as the BOSS.. Froch has been running around trading KD’s with George Groves who would be given a 1% chance of beating Andre Ward… HOLLA!

Posted June 3, 2014 8:55 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, you say that “Floyd fights punching bags” in one breath then you say “Floyd is the GOAT” in the next breath you have absolutely 000000000 credibility…If Maidana was “just a punching bag” then why are you giving Alexander credit for beating him (Maidana) then giving Porter credit for beating Alexander?? AGAIN you are CAUGHT in another blatant contradiction…Broner was considered a damn good boxer and Maidana got to him and put him on his seat 2x, his style is not pretty but he is a DANGEROUS fighter who has knocked out over 30 pro boxers and hurt plenty others… Just because you are yanking off to Shawn Porter, and Thurman does not position them ABOVE Maidana… Reality is that part of Thurmans rep is based on his last bout against Soto Karass who was KNOCKED out by Maidana… I enjoy exposing your filthy double standards and treachery…

Posted June 3, 2014 8:53 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, HAHAHA you are touting Porter because he beat a much OLDER and ring worn version of Malignaggi than Cotto who fought him at 140? I KNEW you were gonna try and undersell Maidana who despite NOT being pretty to watch has proven an ISSUE and hard night for every boxer he gets in the ring with… So what Porter showed up and beat Alexander? it was a good win but Alexander is inconsistent and he was once overrated JUST like you are going on about Porter NOW because he got to Paulie Malignaggi? Malignaggi has been stopped by Hatton and Khan despite being a World Class boxer he has NO power. NONE of these guys meet your criteria of being “Great” and each of them is not on Canelos level at this point…

Posted June 3, 2014 8:49 am 


SREDMOND

Jody, GIVE it up Froch discussed retirement AFTER he faced Ward because he felt VERY outclassed by his opponent and was miffed about the prospect of not being able to defeat the top of the division.. AGAIN if they arrange a rematch I will watch but Froch was conclusively defeated and its REALLY that simple..Ward is HEAVILY touted by experts because of the manner he defeats his opponents and the fighters he beat… Kessler, Dawson and Froch were ALL World Champions on MULTIPLE occasions and they were childsplay for Ward, your dismissal defies logic but I encourage you to enjoy being wrong.

Posted June 3, 2014 8:45 am 


matthews

A name like Weener and I’m the idiot. Tell froch to quit being scared and give ward a call.

Posted June 3, 2014 8:44 am 


curtley

I have no love for Ward’s style but people seem to forget the reason he has not fought is down to Goosen and I cannot believe that the commissions are allowing this to happen, in what other sport/profession would this be allowed?

Posted June 3, 2014 8:41 am 


ArthurWeener

..says the idiot…

Posted June 3, 2014 8:12 am 


matthews

Now the comments are getting idiotic.

Posted June 3, 2014 8:03 am 


Jody

Ward hasn’t had enough quality opponents to be touted as the king of 168lb division. He is way over rated and that will become obvious when he’s really tested. I personally think Froch is the best opponent he’s faced, other than that everyone else has been average.

Posted June 3, 2014 7:36 am 


ArthurWeener

Boxtradamus

I don’t make it personal. I make it TRUTHFUL and FACTUAL.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:59 am

Nope you make like my toilet bowl after a particularly vicious Vindaloo from the Indian Cottage.

Posted June 3, 2014 7:29 am 


Jody

SREDMOND

Jody, you make a GREAT point reality is that a BEST of ONE is sufficient so why sit back and pretend there has been some major uptick in Froch skills when his self proclaimed best moment as of late was beating George Groves of all people… Man please Ward already proved his point with this fighter…

Posted June 2, 2014 11:25 am

I never said anything to the contrary. Although I will now say, Ward didn’t ‘school’ him, but I wouldn’t have called it a 50/50 fight. Skill doesn’t beat determination every time so no one can say Ward would beat Froch again just because he did last time. If Froch wants another go at Ward then he’s deserved it, what’s Ward done in the last 3 years? He beat a weight drained Dawson.

Posted June 3, 2014 7:27 am 


nobby

Ward’s spoiling technique is part of why boxing is declining. It’s boring and a points victory is the priority.

He’s a good boxer and very quick, but he fought a tame Froch who seemed to be shackled from his killer instinct that we’ve seen since.

He owes him a rematch in England when he decides he wants to fight again, obviously Froch calling him out after defeating Kessler didn’t interest him.

Hearn and Froch aren’t going to stand around with their dicks in their hands waiting for Ward to resolve his personal issues.

Posted June 3, 2014 7:19 am 


xXx

Ward is the biggest fraud in boxing and his fanboys are deluded. I read statements like ‘Ward has cleaned out the division’, ‘There’s no-one who can give him a challenge’ etc..

What a load of bull… Seriously have a closer look at Wards record. His biggest wins: Kessler ’09, Froch ’11. That’s it!

What has he done since Froch? Dawson and Rodriguez !! Is that what you call cleaning out the division? Compare that to Froch’s resume since losing to Ward: Bute, Mack, Kessler, Groves 1 & 2.

A real champion fights regularly and puts it on the line against the top contenders. That’s what Froch does.

Ward is not a real champion. His whole career and reputation revolves around 5 fights in the Super Six between ’09-’11. He did nothing before that, and he’s done nothing since.

Ward is a paper champion who’s scared to fight.

Posted June 3, 2014 6:27 am 


BEARS

TARK you should not even respond to that phuk head. he is making sh!t about u and claiming u were making the opposite prediction of what u actually did.

that guy never adds any boxing insight he comes here and tries to assign value/credit.

he credits blacks and discredits whites. that is all he does. he does not talk boxing. u do not hear him talk about offense in detail. nothing about punches or stats, or footwork, or gap control, he does not even begin to know how to examine a fight. he does not identify tactics of any kind even dirty tactics. he struggles to even gauge how effective strikes are. sredmond is utter garbage at interpreting boxing. he is essentially blabbing a black staus quo .

the guy is utter garbage and any poster who fails to detect thats a phukn retard

Posted June 3, 2014 2:19 am 


TARK

Sredmond.., You’re an idiot… Porter beat Alexander, who beat Maidana easily.. Maidana is not a good boxer, has few skills, and would be a wide open target for Porter.

Shawn Porter destroyed Malignaggi better and faster than anyone else ever did.. Paulie went the distance with Cotto, Judah, and Broner — but Porter wouldn’t let him exist.

Keith Thurman is another boxer-puncher who’s coming on like gangbusters. Thurman would beat the living crap out of Maidana or Khan, the kind of punching bags Floyd likes to fight.

Posted June 3, 2014 12:39 am 


sean p h

Froch is to slow to get with ward. Good solid boxer but speed is important in any form of combat. Froch try to fight chavez or if your feeling lucky ggg!

Posted June 3, 2014 12:14 am 


Livershot

SREDMOND, No doubt Ward can be a beast and is a boxer puncher. Too bad like Floyd there is nobody at that level to push them to places they’ve never been, because they are that good. I hope Ward can clean up his legal troubles and climb back in the ring. He’s missing his prime years.

Posted June 2, 2014 7:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, GTFOH that’s Thurman and Porter would just beat Maidana who is ALWAYS a problem NEITHER man has faced a hard ass fighter like that, a recent World Champ who didn’t make his bones facing Malignaggi… Again Porter and Thurman could be derailed tomorrow they are NOT proven commodities..

Posted June 2, 2014 7:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, your testimonials about all these fighters are not supported by their resumes or standing in boxing… Thurman and Porter are good, hungry young boxers, Lara is a very good 154 pounder who often suffers from apathy in the ring and has had
Some notable struggles in the ring (Molina, Angulo) YOU said FMJ needs to face a “GREAT prime boxer” are you calling ANY of these fighters GREAT? how many World Championship bouts have Porter, Thurman and Lara had collectively?? Let’s be honest YOU think they are great absent real backing in the boxing world, caveat being Lara soundly defeating Alvarez.. I don’t wanna hear about guys who booked OVER a 95% win ratio in a divison discussing “making weight” Alvarez and Trout are not forced to fight anywhere that’s the type of excuse I would expect from YOU and that BUTT PIRATE Bears…AGAIN you call Floyd “The GOAT”
But you don’t respect the boxers he has defeated?? Makes no sense

Posted June 2, 2014 7:37 pm 


Mental racist lunatic Redmond

Mental racist lunatic redmond blowing another gasket again. The security at his asylum is a disgrace!

Posted June 2, 2014 6:10 pm 


TARK

Porter is a quickly improving technician with imporving power in both hands.. So is Thurman.. Thurman can put your lights out.. They would both beat Maidana much easier than Floyd did. I’m not saying they beat Floyd. I’m saying they push Floyd to the max in breathtaking fights. They have a better chance to beat him than anyone else, and Floyd should be fighting the best welters.

Erislandy Lara is a stunningly quick boxer, especially when facing other boxers who wait like Trout and Floyd.. Lara’s quick punching style is Floyd’s bugaboo.. Lara dominated southpaw slickster Austin Trout so much easier than Floyd struggled with technically challenged Marcos Maidana.

Lara gives Floyd hell too. Lara has a great chance to beat Floyd because he’s a more natural super welterweight than Canelo or Trout — who both struggle to make the weight.

Posted June 2, 2014 6:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, TELL ME how Thurman and Porter are MORE deserving than Maidana, Cotto and Canelo to face Floyd Mayweather? And if you are NOT giving Floyd credit for these guys? Your desperation pivot will be that “Porter beat Alexander” sorry Tark these wins brand Porter as a guy to watch and certainly someone who is hungry but “A Great Prime boxer” man what are you talking about? Canelo Unified the 154 pound division what has Porter done that’s comparable? I would respect you whining about Garcia more than than Porter or Thurman… Garcia was REALLY the man at 140 and beat the most dangerous guy outside himself there.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:36 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, if you are NOT OK with who FMJ has fought then why are you calling him “The GOAT” ???????

Posted June 2, 2014 5:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Tarks statements on Floyd Mayweather (schizophrenia at its best)

TARK

As far as Floyd goes… I’ve always said he was the GOAT. I knew he was great when he had 10 fights.

That doesn’t mean Floyd shouldn’t fight the most deserving and dangerous opponents — who might nail his tail to the canvas. Floyd has never faced a great prime boxer … and it doesn’t look like he wants to.
Posted June 2, 2014 4:44 pm

Posted June 2, 2014 5:22 pm 


kato3388

This fight would end the same way the first one ended. Ward is too skillful for Froch.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:51 pm 


SREDMOND

Livershot, Froch HAS to be in “fights” because he cannot box on Wards level and totally neutralize his opponents that’s why his contests are usually fraught with jeopardy which makes him fan friendly at time but beatable or in need of the benefit of the doubt… Whereas Ward simply takes guys apart technically and OH by the way he stopped 2 of his best opponents Dawson and Kessler… Holla

Posted June 2, 2014 4:33 pm 


Livershot

Ward too much of a boxer and doesn’t fight much outside of oakland. Wards career is a mess with too many legal battles. Froch likes to engage in fights, not boxing matches. We haven’t had a true grit fighter since Gatti/Ward. instead we have a clown like broner. SMH. :(

Posted June 2, 2014 4:23 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, how did “Floyd ruin the fight” it was UP to Canelo to come and take it to him, Mayweather stood right in front of him and made the boy MISS and PAY!! Sooooo because Mayweathers legendary defense would not allow Alvarez to land clean leather its Floyds fault? The announcers were discussing how Floyd was right in the pocket and in order to spin your opponents head around like Floyd did you have to be in punching range but Money May is just too good!

Posted June 2, 2014 4:21 pm 


SREDMOND

I meant Bears “future stripper daughter” Tark is too old and impotent to father anything except ANOTHER bogus tale or spin on an outcome he is not happy about.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, EVERYONE saw you swear on that future stripper daughter of yours soul that Canelo was “The Matrix” and he was gonna get to Mayweather man OWN your foolishness we all get predictions wrong!! NOW I see you bailing on Canelo and changing your story all over again tsk, tsk, tsk… You and Tark are FOOLS who cannot accept being wrong because you re insecure and barely men to be honest…

Posted June 2, 2014 4:15 pm 


Sweet_Scientist

Groves WAS OUT!! He messed around with the LION and GOT BIT!!

Froch will NEVER utter Andre Ward’s NAME!!

Ward was hoping that Groves would win because, Groves would’ve went to Oakland and fought him!

Posted June 2, 2014 3:51 pm 


Anonymous

tark does like a new boy. LMAO.

Posted June 2, 2014 3:38 pm 


BEARS

srrtsrdmon always has to make sh!t up about posters in hopes of a futile win. i never said anything about canelos hand speed or foot speed and TARK NEVER said at any point canelo was gonna win

in tact TARKS forecast was the most accurate on east side as he even called the scores almost perfectly. the praise for canelo is JUSTIFIED OBVIOUSLY. and will only be more so after he beats lara.

floyds camp ruined canelovs floyd. canelo had no stamina from the catchweight. canelo can not even make 154 anymore. THIS MUCH IS OBVIOUS AGAIN. but sretardman does not talk boxing he makes up and fabricates crap about east side posters. if sretardmon is typing a post he is most likely lieing. the guy has no credibility.

and yes against trout canelo looked like neo from the matrix making trout miss NASTY LIKE. that was the neo reference.

the poignant fact about canelo vs fraud is fraud ruined the fight. it was a dull anti climatic fight that more closely resembled fencing than fighting and fraud running he clock out.

the most retarded forecast i eard onthat fight was fraud may by stoppage. that was sretarmons forecast And it was the farthest from reality and least realistic

Posted June 2, 2014 3:36 pm 


Anonymous

Ward although not very active is undefeated and has already won against Froch…..he will actually have to move up to find competition that will generate $$$ and fan interest….The most Froch can expect is to do a little better
but his his style is tailor made for a boxer that uses all the tricks

Posted June 2, 2014 3:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo, WELL SAID he was VERY pro Canelo NOW he basically is treating the kid like a walkover opponent for Lara and alreadly pre selling Lara as a DUCK for Mayweather.. He ALWAYS loves the New Shiny Kid on the block and when that kid disappoints he tends to move on.. When Golovkin and the rest of these guys stumble Tark will toss them… I remember him singing Amir Khans praises after he beat Judah and saying how his (Khans performance) trumped Mayweathers and thus Khan this and that… He was discussing Sugar Ray Leonard and Terry Norris before Mayweather vs Ortiz… Dude is all over the place…

Posted June 2, 2014 3:13 pm 


te tumbo

Tark went as far as the Devil possibly could to advocate on behalf of Canelo v. Floyd but he smartly stopped 1/16 of a step short of predicting a “W” for Canelo and ultimately made the safe-pick in favor of Mayweather. nonetheless, his pre-fight analysis was reminiscent of the excessive praise he previously heaped on limited fighters like Williams, Chambers, and Pacquiao* before they were alternately planted and hauled back to earth by truly-skilled and superior opponents. the moral of this post: potential is no substitute for proven, tested, and actual fighting ability.

Posted June 2, 2014 3:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, STOP making excuses for Mosley reality is that he hurt Mayweather 2x and then Floyd gathered himself like a veteran and he put a foot in Shanes AZZZZZZZ! you can’t knock a boxer who is good enough to hurt a defensive wizard then be mad because the guy he hurt is good enough to recover and and adjust… Juan Manuel Marquez has made a career of doing just that down against at least 7 guys including ATG Pacquiao only to recover and fight even harder going down the stretch… Some guys are NOT there to “be finished” and Floyd Mayweather is one of them.. Maidana “finished” a lot of guys and he could NOT even hurt Mayweather who put the pedal to the medal as the rounds went on and secured the win…

Posted June 2, 2014 2:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, you predicted Canelo was gonna WIN as did Bears who called him “The Matrix” because whatever Redneck Drugs he was ingesting told him that Alvarez hand and footspeed were gonna compare favorably with a living legend and one of the best to ever do it… How is Floyd “Screwing himself” the public is NOT clamoring for Lara, Thurman, Porter or Brook NONE of these guys is high profile and NONE of them have real chops in the game… What titles does Thurman hold? Porter was a sparring partner not long ago his last fight was against Malignaggi who is World Class but is often picked because of his legendary lack of punching power, the Alexander win was good also but we all know that Alexander if VERY inconsistent despite looking good earlier in his career… You are ON the BANDWAGON AGAIN… Lara has a SERIOUS bout with Alvarez and what makes you think he is a LOCK to win it?? Canelo can fight and if he knocks out Lara or soundly defeats him then WHO is gonna be excited about that contest? You rattle off a SLEW of names and decide that Floyds not fighting the guys you want so you are miffed.. Where is the public outcry for ANY of those 3 fighters? Its not there the only one that stands to get in position is Lara who would really raise his profile if he can clearly defeat Canelo who is a budding star in that game and has done a successful solo PPV after having been showcased in the highest revenue fight in history with Mayweather.. If all it took for FMJ to satisfy detractors was a Porter, Lara, or Thurman type then it would have ALREADY happened because he beat BETTER guys than them already… Canelo is considered BETTER than all these guys having Unifed his division and defeated the guy that at the time was considered his principal rival coming off his biggest win Trout…NEXT you will have a new name to discuss that’s comical…

Posted June 2, 2014 2:14 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, WHO CARES who YOU are impressed with? you don’t like Wards resume? Really that makes perfect sense beating the BEST SMW’s in boxing in dominant fashion and the guy who was standing LHW Champ never having been stopped and making him quit are obviously lackluster accomplishments, including winning the Super 6 tournament.. Between Froch, Kessler and Ward they fought EVERY relevant Super MiddleWeight boxer of the past 8 or so years including Joe Calzaghe yet one guy stands atop the heap and its Andre Ward… He is consistently ranked as #2 or #3 P4P in the world but of course NONE of this is anything to impressed by because you simply DON’T like this boxer.. You are SOOOOOOOO lacking in basic intellect or the ability to craft even a remotely sensible perspective or critique it’s a real commentary on the failure of the US educational system.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:04 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., Canelo was a potentially great fight for Mayweather. I predicted the scorecards ahead of the fight almost dead on. However the judges had a case of blinditis. If the scorecards reflected the fight it would have been a good fight — but Floyd winning a D was the correct call and I nailed it.

You predicted Floyd would smoke, shred, paint, and KO Canelo. You had your head screwed up your ass as usual. I thought the fight would be a closer and more exciting — Floyd never had a “lengends” fight. The fight was a bore because Canelo was flat. I posted right after the weigh-in that Canelo blew the fight. He looked parched and weak… That’s what I said.

Floyd is screwing himself by not booking potentially ATG super fights with Lara, Porter, Thurman, Brook, and Pacquiao … If Floyd wants a legendary fight, he’ll have to fight a prime fighter who can box and punch levels above Miguel Cotto — who Floyd says is the best he ever fought.

May-Cotto was was semi-exciting. The fights I mentioned would be 10 X as good. As a fan I would think you’d want to see them.

Shane Mosley pulled his horns in. Like he did when Vernon Forrest almost punched him out. Whenever there’s a choice between staying conscious and taking a chance to win — Mosley always chose the safe route. Floyd wants to win very very badly. He will throw when he’s hurt — and that’s why he could be in a potentially great fight.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:59 pm 


Boxtradamus

There were only a few seconds left in the round. Groves could have possibly found a way to hold ON until the bell. It was a SISSYFIED stoppage but I THANK the ref as I get credit for CORRECTLY calling the NASTY KO.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:45 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Groves was out cold for a few seconds. He came to just as the ref stopped the fight.”-Which means that the ref stopped the Fight TOO SOON. Because Groves was getting UP before a proper 10 count would be finished….You can be out cold for 9 seconds as long as you are UP and ready to Fight before 10.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:42 pm 


SREDMOND

SNORRREEEEEEE who said that a Champion has to defeat a fighter in multiple venues for his initial CLEAR win to be legit? I have NEVER heard this before in my LIFE… When Pac Man KOed Hatton was he supposed to travel to the UK to be sure that Ricky could not do better in the UK….??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Froch and Kessler fans are TRULY some butt hurt lames that cannot simply take ownership of tourner results that Ward won when he was not even a big name in boxing nor a P4P fighter the ONLY leverage he had were his fists and 12 rounds like every other boxer..

Posted June 2, 2014 1:07 pm 


BEARS

Boxingbarlow- good to see you have surfaced. i remember our prefight talk. well now the fight has come and gone and groves got smoked again. making froch look awesome And totally justifying the first stoppage.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:01 pm 


BEARS

i am just not impressed with ward and i think his rating is too high compared with his resume. i think looking at chad dawson the tuy was already shot from dropping weight and getting phuked up in training camp.

all ward had has is kessler and froch and thats just not enough. i definitely think froch has a chance against ward in a rematch as there is a lot froch can do. i am not impressed with andre and it seems like everyone feels andre is irrelevant but andre himself, hbo, sredmond, mathews, boxtradamus and punch

Posted June 2, 2014 12:59 pm 


Popkins

With all due respect, Froch is the one who got schooled, not Ward. Ward is THE champion. Froch is the one that needs to redeem himself. ….. Froch may be able to sell out Wembley stadium – that’s great, but Froch/Ward could sell 1 million pay per views on British television whether it’s in America OR the UK. If promoted and held in America, with a decent undercard, it could still shift 15,000 seats in a Vegas casino, and the tickets would probably sell for a lot more than the thousands of 50 quid ones at Wembley. Mayweather has NEVER sold out a stadium, and he’s the richest man in sport.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:46 pm 


matthews

You wish that’s how the discussion went.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:13 pm 


Marilyn13

Discussion between Hearn and Ward on a prospective UK (or indeed, non-US fight):
Hearn: So Andre, I understand you’re ready to discuss a fight in the UK?
Ward: Yes
Hearn: So how about Wembley in November?
Ward: Not likely. You KNOW I don’t travel. But Froch can always come to me. That’s the end of the discussion.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:10 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, face facts Floyd Mayweathers chin has NEVER let him down granted he does NOT let guys free swing on him like the average boxer who can only avoid so many shots but Mosleys power shots were solid, yet FMJ quickly recovered and was taking over by the end of the round… By the NEXT round he was boxing Shane senseless and countering over that lazy, flicking jab Shane has… Shane stopped coming because Mayweather made him PAY for his mistakes.. Maidana got shut out the last 4 rounds because Mayweather turned it UP which is something GREAT fighters can do when need be… Mayweather NEVER loses belief in himself or his skills, he stays focused on what he does well and waits for his opponents to make the inevitable mistakes and capitalizes.. But then again you are the same DUMMY who suddenly is yelling the names Kell Brook, Porter and Thurman… Where were you last year talking about these guys? You were NOT because you were yelling CANELOOOO! for anyone who would listen and when he was easily handled you turned on him like a double agent…Brook, Porter and Thurman show NOTHING special as it pertains to being the guys to takedown Mayweather but you know that time is ticking at 40 who knows what fighter will be able to get to FMJ… Again his Undefeated Record sickens and aggravates his detractors who pray for a loss YET swear being Undefeated means nothing in his case… HAHA!! 46-0

Posted June 2, 2014 11:53 am 


RAYGORDON REID

we see

Posted June 2, 2014 11:52 am 


matthews

Chisora believes in a Ward/Froch vegas fight. The best is right there in front of you.

Posted June 2, 2014 11:45 am 


matthews

And if Froch fans would just be honest with yourselves, you dont want to see your guy get schooled again at home or abroad.Thats why your not holding Froch’s feet to the fire concerning Ward. You know his limitations, so you will continue making excuses like money, draw, boring, scared to fly, irrelevant, lawsuits, dirty fighter, etc………..

Posted June 2, 2014 11:30 am 


matthews

Marilyn, what excuse. Ward was on SKY saying all Hearn has to do is give him a call and lets discuss getting this fight together in ENGLAND. Froch and Hearn (silence,crickets). Now Froch is coming to Vegas for a supposed career finale and still no Ward. Getting schooled again are not in Froch and Hearn’s plans. Real warrior s#$t right there.

Posted June 2, 2014 11:26 am 


SREDMOND

Jody, you make a GREAT point reality is that a BEST of ONE is sufficient so why sit back and pretend there has been some major uptick in Froch skills when his self proclaimed best moment as of late was beating George Groves of all people… Man please Ward already proved his point with this fighter…

Posted June 2, 2014 11:25 am 


Popkins

kato3388….after two fights Froch has proved himself better than George Groves. Congratulations on your prediction. I do rate Froch highly. He’s just a notch down from a prime version of Kessler. Ward on the other hand, is a level up from both of them.

Posted June 2, 2014 11:22 am 


Boxtradamus

To be TRUTHFUL it was yet another SISSYFIED stoppage. Groves was getting UP. You’re supposed to let the man get UP and THEN see IF he’s OK to continue. You’re not supposed to inject your own SISSYFIED feelings into it.

Posted June 2, 2014 11:15 am 


Boxtradamus

Once you’ve made it to #2 P4P there’s no where to sky rocket to. You can only move UP one spot. Froch can still skyrocket because he has a LONG way to GO. Ward is already there.

Posted June 2, 2014 11:12 am 


kato3388

@POPKINS – Didn’t I tell ya Froch would pull this out??? Froch got his redemption. The referee stole a decisive victory from Froch during the first fight. Now there’s no debate.

Posted June 2, 2014 11:10 am 


Boxtradamus

Well that shows you that Ward’s stalemating is GREATER than Froch’s skyrocketing. Ward has stalemated at #2 P4P while Froch skyrocketed to #10 P4P. SO Froch needs to learn how to stalemate UP to #2 P4P TOO.

Posted June 2, 2014 11:09 am 


Popkins

…Ward’s career sky-rocketed DURING the Super 6 though. Prior to the tournament he was virtually unknown, his biggest opponent was Miranda, and SOG had yet to win a world title. By the end he was a unified champ, the Ring champ, a Showtime star, and pound for pound top 5….

Posted June 2, 2014 11:05 am 


Popkins

…Ward’s career sky-rocketed DURING the Super 6 though. Prior to the tournament he was virtually unknown, his biggest opponent was Miranda, and SOG had yet to win a world title. By the end he was a unified champ, the Ring champ, a Showtime star, and pound for pound top 5.

Posted June 2, 2014 11:05 am 


Jody

The ONLY reason for a rematch with Froch is $$$$$ the first fight was VERY conclusive as far as outcome.. Rematches are supposed to happen when a bout is close, a controversy or a standing champ gets upset, a rematch clause… Treating boxing like a “best of 3″ or a “best of 2″ takes away the “Now or never” aspect of a fight… Fights like Wlad vs Tony Thompson II really don’t make any sense the boxer was beaten down it was not close and new fights need to be made..Guys trying to get Froch a political leg up or some sort of moral victory over Andre Ward only DEMEAN Carl Froch’s ACTUAL accomplishments and betray insecurity with his standing, same mentality pollutes the thinking of Vitali fans who want to award him a victory he did not EARN in the ring against Lewis… Respect your boxers for the fights they have actually WON not the ones they lost.
————
There’s no such thing as best of two you retard

Posted June 2, 2014 10:47 am 


Marilyn13

@matthews. Didn’t say hometown, said home. And as we both know, there’s a world of difference between SAYING you’ll fight somewhere else and actually DOING it. Contrast with Froch who is demonstrably prepared to put on his travelling shoes. You know, for a guy who said earlier in this chain that he didn’t need to apologise for Ward, you really are remarkably good at it. How about we find a compromise that allows you to use that skill? Maybe you could just keep coming up with excuses for Ward’s refusal to fight without home advantage, and we’ll forget about his lack of popularity and inactivity?

Posted June 2, 2014 10:41 am 


punch

Sorry for the typo as I had to state the obvious.

Posted June 2, 2014 10:14 am 


SREDMOND

The ONLY reason for a rematch with Froch is $$$$$ the first fight was VERY conclusive as far as outcome.. Rematches are supposed to happen when a bout is close, a controversy or a standing champ gets upset, a rematch clause… Treating boxing like a “best of 3″ or a “best of 2″ takes away the “Now or never” aspect of a fight… Fights like Wlad vs Tony Thompson II really don’t make any sense the boxer was beaten down it was not close and new fights need to be made..Guys trying to get Froch a political leg up or some sort of moral victory over Andre Ward only DEMEAN Carl Froch’s ACTUAL accomplishments and betray insecurity with his standing, same mentality pollutes the thinking of Vitali fans who want to award him a victory he did not EARN in the ring against Lewis… Respect your boxers for the fights they have actually WON not the ones they lost.

Posted June 2, 2014 10:06 am 


punch

Everyone is scared of Ward. Hahaha! Kovalev should come down to 168 if he can’t find a dancing partner and GGG should grow a pair too. if he felt fighting Chavez at 168 make sense why not fight the king of 168 division. I thought all these Euro fighters and fans don’t care about money and label other fighters duckers when they pursue a more marketable and profitable fights. This double standards is outrageous and Froch promotor isn’t ashamed of it, whilst denying boxing fans a great rematch maybe it because they know what the outcome will be.

Posted June 2, 2014 10:06 am 


OneInchPunch

matthews – how to say it’s Froch & hearn.. you tend to forget Ward has legal issuses, they did breifly dicuss a match-up when ward of ober in the UK for Froch v Kessler2. Aprt form being the Liner Champ at SMW… what dose WArd bring to the table… a BIG tv deal or 1000′s of fans? for me the reality is apart from being the Liner champion he hasn’t go much to offer. Froch would get a better payday fighting Charvez Jr or even a third fight with kessler (how is stating he wants a third fight). I think Froch and match room would be up for facing Ward… it just the £££ and he’s not worth half of the purse.

Posted June 2, 2014 9:55 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, you are WRONG Ward impressed and shocked the boxing community when he took it to Kessler who was FAVORED to win the tourney.. Ward was a GREEN fighter who’s top opponent at that point might have been Edison Miranda who Kelly Pavlik KOed viciously….Kessler had been at the World Class level for years and competed well with Calzaghe till Joe C turned it up and hurt him to the body… Kessler was a still young 30 years old and Ward took him out of his game and dismantled him… YEAH it was impressive as was the rest of his run thru the tourney, Sakio Bika with his caveman style was more difficult than Kessler or Froch.

Posted June 2, 2014 9:49 am 


SREDMOND

Why are guys acting like Carl Froch is gonna retire the richest boxer in modern history? Pulling in a large number of fans physically is certainly a way to generate revenue but the BIGGEST dollars are on US PPV period, end of story… Also premium seating which costs more can generate even MORE $$$$$…. If Mayweather and Pacquiao charged 75 USD to see their fights live they could have 150k people in a venue if it was big enough… I don’t begrudge the Cobra his success or earnings but pretending he is some sort of “cash cow” is making me laugh! HBO and Showtime are cutting nice checks to fighters they think are future or current network stars… That’s why the biggest foreign boxers wanna make a name here Hatton, Lewis, Calzaghe, Khan, Pacquiao NONE of them made more $ during a bout in their homeland than they did in Las Vegas.. Lennox made around 35 mill to KO Mike Tyson…I know that FACTS are rude on ESB but they are a necessary evil.!

Posted June 2, 2014 9:44 am 


SREDMOND

Guys discussing how many fans Froch can bring to LOSE in front of have things BACKWARDS, Ricky Hatton had tons of fans present when BOTH Floyd Mayweather and Pacquaio knocked his azzzz OUT… Your fans can sing and cheer bit they cannot get you out of jams when a vastly superior boxer is in the ring with you.. Froch is an EASY win for Ward, he is too SLOW and predictable despite his well documented toughness the gap in technical superiority is far too great against Ward who is in his prime and TOTALLY has Froch number.. It’s sad that Froch fans are jacking off because he needed two fights to get a handle on a guy who was supposed to be a walk in the park..Ward would not let Groves win a round and no one would have been keen on that bout happening in the first place.. Let’s face it Carl Froch has had a very accomplished career and as long as the conversation stays away from Ward he has nothing to be ashamed of, once convos start about how he could not beat a one handed Ward in Atlantic City because it was not Wembley he immediately sounds like a TWAT and a guy making excuses..I remember when Carl discussed retiring after the Ward fight it easy to have swag fighting Groves and Lucien Bute whereas Ward is a proven elite fighter who walked thru the Super 6 like a hot knife thru butter..

Posted June 2, 2014 8:48 am 


matthews

Oh and ward said he was willing to fight in the UK. Whats taking Froch and Hearn so long.

Posted June 2, 2014 8:15 am 


matthews

New Jersey is not Oakland. Is the westside of north america all the way to the eastside. 3000 miles. England to New Jersey 3000 miles. Say home country but stop with the hometown BS.

Posted June 2, 2014 8:13 am 


Marilyn13

The FACT about Ward is that he has an undefeated home record. Can we think of any other fighters of recent note that have an undefeated home record? Can we…?

Posted June 2, 2014 8:08 am 


Marilyn13

@Bad Digestion. But it would only really be impressive if everyone was taken in by the myth. But what lots of people see is a fighter who’s afraid to travel (which doesn’t say much for his own conviction and self-belief).

Posted June 2, 2014 8:07 am 


matthews

How is it a myth, when it is a proven FACT. He is the man in the SMW division and p4p #2.

Posted June 2, 2014 8:01 am 


Bad Digestion

The most impressive thing about Ward is how he got this myth going that he’s the man! Best P4P fighter, his skills are so deep that only the true experts can recognize and appreciate his craft! GTFO here… His resume is based on Froch’s success! And let me say that he did beat him, no doubt , he had the Cobra’s number in that fight .But that is IT! Without him he’s got Kessler, whom he headbutted, elbowed, clinched, repeat. Abraham? Peekaboo style, waits 6 rounds to warm up, that guy? Again Ward benefited from a ref who would let him play his games. Then you got Bad Chad. Wow, that’s P4P GOAT in my book. Ward should stay away, his legacy is set, dont mess up a good thing!

Posted June 2, 2014 7:50 am 


Stefan

Andre Ward would school Mr ego worse than the first fight. As would golovkin. Froch landed a great shot on groves, but it masked over another poor showing. I had him behind in the fight. Who cares if he is more exciting? The best is the best, ward does not have to get into brawls due to his exceptional talents so froch effectively gets praised for his deficiencys.

Posted June 2, 2014 7:33 am 


matthews

Hearn and Froch are scared of Ward. Havent even got in contact with Ward to discuss a fight in the UK and never will. Fighting in vegas against a guy that GGG and Ward were getting criticized for trying to make a fight with. What does Ward have to offer, being number 1 and a true champion of the division. Not some paper titlist.

Posted June 2, 2014 7:26 am 


Boxing Barlow

Whats an interesting thought is that every time Froch has looked poor and had a rematch he has made adjustments to improve in the rematch. Against Kessler he changed tactics and style slightly and got a clear win. Against Groves when he knew what he was facing he tightened up his defence and came up with the perfect shot to get to Groves. Whilst we all know Ward is pure class I think seeing how Froch made improvements in these two fights, after having already been in the ring with Ward and know he would know exactly what to expect, what did and didnt work in the first fight could he once again make the adjustements to be more effective this time around. One thing is for sure unless GGG steps up to supermiddle, or Ward himself steps up to light heavy to take on either Kovalev or Steveson there is no one really to offer him a fight that would really gets the fans attention. His style is a bit boring while although Froch does not have Wards skills he has the knock out factor. So for me Froch Ward is the fight that makes the most sense.

Posted June 2, 2014 7:24 am 


Dan D

80000 – dead right

Posted June 2, 2014 6:02 am 


Dan D

Oneinchpunch you are 100% spot on. Froch is 36, he’s been at the top for years now fighting the best that 168 has to offer and that must hurt Ward. He can beat Froch but he can’t beat his resume, fan base or his ability to bring the Benjamins.

Posted June 2, 2014 6:02 am 


OneInchPunch

The thing is… if Froch and Ward were to face off again.. for me Carl bring so much more to the table in the way of fan Base and exposure… what does Ward bring (if/when he can get in the ring again) the devison liner champ… with no fan base… small stadium and FU&£ all appeal. I think Froch would meet him again but Ward would be delude if he thinks he’s worth more than 50% of the purse…. and lets face it… Froch would be giving him a payday… it must hurt being the best but no one wants to pay to see you fight.

Posted June 2, 2014 5:06 am 


Turb0-H@mster doing science

Froch would give Chavez Jnr such an otter-r@ping that he would be his little Mexican butler for the rest of his life. It would not even be close, Chavez already has a face like a bag of smashed crabs, but Froch would ruin it entirely. The doctors won`t even know which hole to shove the blunt in.

Noone who professes to love Mexico should want to let Chavez near Froch. Hell Snr will probably smash a bottle of JOse Cuervo and stab himself fatally in the neck after watching his son get turned in guacamole.

Posted June 2, 2014 4:22 am 


Dan D

Froch doesn’t have the tools to beat Wars. I would love to see Ward come over here to the UK for the fight but we would be looking at 12 rounds of defensive countering. Id like to see old Frochy do the job but the styles don’t work in his favour imo, but I would still like to see the rematch. Trouble is, Ward doesn’t fly and prefers to stay at home.

Posted June 2, 2014 3:47 am 


OneInchPunch

What is Kellerman talking about… when was the last time ward fought? When will we see ward in the ring again? When will ward sort out his legal issues. Itz more like ward has nowhere to go.. the thing is ward is probably envious of Froch.. big stadiums & ££.. and don’t forget a fan base ward could only image in his dreams. Kellerman should connect his brain before engaging his mouth.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:59 am 


xXx

Froch is the true star and money-man of the division.

All road lead thru him until he retires.

Ward is irrelevant.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:37 am 


mike

Ward will give froch the beating of is life. Some things long change.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:30 am 


left hook

Fate1 – “None of these super middle weights want anything to do with Andre ward.” all these supermiddle weights would want to KTFO Ward if he grew a set of balls and left for England Froch would ruin Ward for good and Ward that American sissy know it too.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:13 am 


left hook

Andre Ward should be offered a rematch in Nottingham in England against Carl Froch to see what these cowardly American hype jobs are really made of. Ward is the biggest fraud in boxing along with Mayflower pancake boy who was made to look like a little patsy against Maidana.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:10 am 


xXx

Since the Super Six:

Froch beat Bute for IBF title in a big fight. After a make-time fight vs Mack he avenged his loss against Kessler in another big fight at 02 Arena. Then two grudge fights against Groves which culminated in huge record breaking PPV fight in a 80,000 outdoor arena. Making £XXM in the process. That’s real star power.

Ward has done what, exactly? Moved up the P4P list? Face it, his career has plummeted since the Super Six. No-one cares about him.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:08 am 


Fate1

No way Carl froch fights ward. Chavez jr. Is the fight that will happen. It will sell out at any venue in Vegas and froch will actually have a chance to win. None of these super middle weights want anything to do with Andre ward.

Posted June 2, 2014 2:04 am 


Boxtradamus

I don’t make it personal. I make it TRUTHFUL and FACTUAL.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:59 am 


Boxtradamus

Ward’s career has skyrocketed since the Super 6. He came into the Super 6 ranked #0 P4P. He left the Super 6 in the Top 5 and now he’s #2. Froch is #10 which is GOOD but not better than #2. Go take a SKYROCKETING class.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:44 am 


BEARS

big ham whats up with name sroppin all the black dudes. ? light heavyweight has a mega beast named kovalev who is a brutal beast. number one light heavy. it also has v@gin@a named adonis who can bang. whats up with talking quawi and saad sucka ?

Posted June 2, 2014 1:42 am 


Boxtradamus

Nope. I only post as Boxtradamus everywhere I GO.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:42 am 


BEARS

groves was undefeated now he is calling him a china chin and disparaging froch!

Posted June 2, 2014 1:38 am 


xXx

Since the Super Six, Froch’s career and popularity has sky-rocketed. Ward’s career has sunk like a stone.

Ward’s biggest past fight was against Froch. His biggest future fight is against Froch. He needs Froch to breath some life into dead career and make himself relevant again.

He needs to understand he’s not in a position to dictate anything to Froch.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:37 am 


Big Ham

That’s the thing about boxing. There will always be a next popular era, even if the bar is lowered. Julio Chavez junior would have had to fight Dwight Quawi and Mathew Saad at light heavyweight if he were around in the 80′s. He would not win a round with either guy. Canelo is a fun fighter to watch, but he is nothing of the talent a young oscar de la hoya was. I find it presumptuous that ring ranks him in the P4P. Froch whom i do like is the ultimate overachiever. There is no way someone of his modest boxing talent should make 12M for a fight against someone with such a chin such as Groves.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:37 am 


Big Ham

I am Froch fan, but i admit the bar has been lowered quite a bit. The first time i saw Froch was against Jermain Taylor, i thought Froch was absolute crap and had no business calling out Joe Calzaghe. Froch vs Groves was a huge event. But there have been better british fighters and fights. Nigel Benn was an absolute monster in his prime. As were his peers. Froch is a popular guy, but is head and shoulders below Benn, and Eubank, as well as Calzaghe. I think had Carl fought the version of Kessler that Joe fought. Kessler would have stopped Froch. Carl is a good akward fighter who fights with smarts and timing to offset his below average hand and foot speed (for the elite level anyway). He has fair power, but Groves has a very shaky chin. If that punch froch landed landed on another fighter we may not even be talking about it.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:33 am 


Anonymous

Froch drew 80,000 fans at ringside, Ward can’t draw flies. If Ward wants to fight Froch in a big money fight, it’s time he fight outside of his home town, with his personal referee, judges, boxing commission, etc. Ward believes that he is the most important boxer in boxing history. If SOB does refuses to fight outside his hometown, then let his go bankrupt…………..he does not deserve a fight. Who out there will only fight with his own personal referee, judges, boxing commission, etc.? Ward is not the best boxer out there, he is a fraud………….by the way………Stevenson said he would come down to 168 to fight Ward, but Ward refused. Ward refuses to fight Kovalev, but wants to fight a flyweight from an old folks home……………

Posted June 2, 2014 1:24 am 


TARK

Squared Circle…, I think Chavez’s people would target Froch. He’s aging like Martinez was. They think they’re coming in at the right time like they thought for Sergio.

But they’re fooled. Froch works really hard. He jabs and throws the straight right a lot better than Chavez does either. Chavez hasn’t fought anyone but Martinez. Froch fought higher caliber people and more of them.

Froch is not going to book any crap from Chavez in the clinches. Ward is twice as rough as Chavez inside and 3 times as skillful.

Froch will stab Chavez to death and club him with right hands, like he did Kessler. Chavez is no bigger or better than Kessler, who lost to Froch twice because Carl was robbed blind in Denmark.

Chavez is a human disaster looking for a place to happen. They would be better off to go after Arthur Abraham than Carl Froch.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:20 am 


Boxtradamus

I also write under the alias Bearcat on BN24 if you want to reference my knowledge.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:18 am 


xXx

Ward is not a real champion. He’s still living off his Super Six win nearly 3 years ago. Still trying to cash in on that ticket.

After the Super Six, Ward was rightly crowned the champion at 168, but since then it’s Froch who’s shown the mentality of a true champion – putting it all on the line against the top guys in the division.

Froch is 5-0 in big fights vs Bute, Kessler, Groves twice. Ward is 2-0 vs Dawson and Rodriguez.

Time has moved on. Froch has moved on. Ward hasn’t. He’s become irrelevant in the division that he supposedly ‘rules’.

WAKE-UP CALL – The Super Six was nearly 3 years ago!

Posted June 2, 2014 1:16 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Agree with you on that, BEARS. Great comment!

Posted June 2, 2014 1:06 am 


BEARS

3g just has an utterly awesome arsenal like wlad. his body attack BRUTAL. his uppercut SICK. kovalev is starting to demonstrate a BRUTAL arsenal too ! its obvious why adonis ran. what 3g did to what was that dude from phili’s name rosado? and macklin!!! DAMN!!! 3g is one of the most impressive fighters in all of pro boxing.

Posted June 2, 2014 1:01 am 


Cheezb

I’d pick Froch over Chavez Jr every day of the week.
But I’d never pick Froch over Ward. GGG vs Froch is very hard to call… too many unknowns at play (i.e. size, technique, experience, etc).

Posted June 2, 2014 12:56 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Froch beats the crap out of Chavez Jr…

Jr doesn’t even have a jab as good as Groves… Jr is wide open for straight rights as well… Brian Vera isn’t very good and landed a lot of shots on Chavez…”

I’m not so sure about that, TARK. I’m sure you would agree that Froch has some technical limitations compared to a fighter like 3G. Chavez is certainly not his father, but he does have an iron chin and can hit pretty damn hard from inside the phone booth. Chavez would relentlessly pressure Froch, make him extremely uncomfortable, and force him to exchange bombs from close quarters. That’s not the fight that Froch wants — that’s the fight Chavez wants. I’m not predicting that Jr. would win, but I think it’ll be a h3ll of a lot closer than many of you think. Let’s not pretend that Froch’s defense is unpenetrable and without holes — especially on the inside.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:54 am 


me

Awesome crowd tho

Posted June 2, 2014 12:38 am 


BEARS

i think david haye getting mushroom stamped on his forhead was the best punch of the fight personally.

i like both froch chavez jr and froch but i might take froch in that matchup. .

i think frochs stance and technique work for him and thats how he gets the leverage and effective punches and kicks peoples a$$ and even jacks up ward and pops his mouth piece out. i think frochs problem is he does not see shots and he has a nasty habit of trying to move or turn his head and totally looses sight of his opponents strikes. he always gets hit with punches he does not see. he will close his eyes knowing somethings coming from somewhere and just kind of brace for it. its crazy. his style and technique have brought him proven success through tough opponents giving him a rich resume. how can u not like carl froch. the guy is a fight fans fighter in every way

Posted June 2, 2014 12:30 am 


TARK

Froch beats the crap out of Chavez Jr…

Jr doesn’t even have a jab as good as Groves… Jr is wide open for straight rights as well… Brian Vera isn’t very good and landed a lot of shots on Chavez… Martinez had creeky knees and showered Chavez Jr with punches.

Sergio spent most of his career as a welterweight and super welter.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:27 am 


TARK

It was a hell of a punch by Haye… but it didn’t do anything.

Mosley’s punches on Floyd did more… Shook Floyd up real good… Those were the best punches of the night, landed by Shane — but when Mosley’s bell was rung by Floyd he stopped fighting.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:21 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Awesome win by Froch last night! He’s a great fighter but not an elite boxer. His technique is flawed in a few different ways and his all-around athleticism is limited. Ward will beat him in a rematch and 3G would knock him TFO. Chavez would be a great match up, but I think that style could Froch big problems.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:16 am 


Boxtradamus

OH OK. I just wanted to make sure you realized that. SO bragging about who landed the best punch is irrelevant. Or else I can start bragging about Haye landing the best punch vs Wlad.

Posted June 2, 2014 12:15 am 


BEARS

boxtra- thank you craptain obvious for letting me know winning is more important. ya know i fear i may had forgotten had u not reminded me. c’mon put craptain obvious away for a second will ya

Posted June 1, 2014 11:54 pm 


Boxtradamus

That shows that landing the best punch of the Fight is LESSER than WINNING. WINNING comes first and landing the best punch comes 2nd.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:40 pm 


TARK

Froch enhanced his reputation pretty good last night by beating an undefeated challenger twice in a row by brutal stoppage.

He’s improved technically since his last fight with Ward. I don’t favor Carl to win — but anyone with a KO punch has a chance to win any fight.

To win, he needs to hurt Ward, and finish him off. He needs to get his jab on AW and not get jabbed to death. Where he needs help are his footwork and his left hook. Froch did much better in this fight but he has to push it much farther.

Obviously Froch worked very hard for Groves. He’s still getting better at 36. Sometimes hating somebody’s guts pushes you to a new level.

He needs more fluidity and leverage on his left hooks, but he was really ripping the right hand last night. He set the KO up beautifully.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:38 pm 


Boxtradamus

Caring about the TRUTH is irrelevant. The TRUTH remains whether you care about it or not. Ward is and will remain as the TOP SMW in the World.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:37 pm 


BEARS

thats how i know froch lands the best punch of the fight near the end sending wards mouth piece to 5th row and JACKING WARD UP

Posted June 1, 2014 11:36 pm 


BEARS

i already watched the fight son. im watching it again. u can watch a fight ten times and see something new every time son. now ya know

Posted June 1, 2014 11:34 pm 


Boxtradamus

You’re 5 years late on Froch vs Ward. Ward WON the Super 6 fulfilling the prophecy that I gave 2 years prior. It was one of MY most satisfying predictions because I had to wait SO long for it to come to fruition. Ward is a master of distance and thats what beat Froch. Ward is a master of knowing when to be close to you and when not to be. Thats called having MUCH SKILLS and MUCH Boxing IQ to go along with it. Ward beat Froch more lopsidedly then the scorecards reflected. IF Ward LOST 3 rds they were prepared to give it t Froch. GOOD thing Ward WON all 12.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:26 pm 


BEARS

some people have been wrongfully bashing frochs technique. i think froch does not see punches sometimes. after he gets to know a guy in the ring he adjusts very well. froch is impressing me the more i study him

Posted June 1, 2014 11:22 pm 


BEARS

just started watching frochvs ward. already obvious froch is better than kessler technique wise. using his reach and fighting well backin up. kessler virtually could not fight backing up at all whatsoever. when it came to gap control and gap sense kessler was lost. surprised literally no game going backwards from kessler and that has stood out the most comparing the two

Posted June 1, 2014 11:17 pm 


Boxtradamus

Yes. It was disgusting to see how SISSYFIED Kessler was. You have to know when to man UP and fight FIRE with FIRE.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:14 pm 


BEARS

^^i wanna see ward get thralled but i doubt i will watch him fight. i do not expect ward to take a good fight. i feel kovalev or 3g could hurt him they just need to prepare for his head

Posted June 1, 2014 11:06 pm 


BEARS

i wanna see ward get thralled but i doubt i will watch him fight. i do not expect ward to take a good fight. i feel kovalev or 3g could hurt him they just need to prepare for his head

Posted June 1, 2014 11:05 pm 


BEARS

i wanna see ward get thralled now but i highly doubt i will watch him fight ever. unless its a good matchup or i hear he he got lit up. i doubt ward will make any good matchups. im telling you 3g and kovalev could hurt ward. just deffend from wards head

Posted June 1, 2014 11:03 pm 


BEARS

if i was kessler i would have just started head buttin the sh!t outta ward. stopped in the 11th. poor kessler head butted to death. lol that is some of the most fubar sh!t i ever seen. i never took the time to watch/study that fight. im gonna re-watch froch vs ward later. ward vs kessler was disgusting dude. isanna see ward get THRALLED

Posted June 1, 2014 10:56 pm 


Boxtradamus

Kessler getting outlanded by 100 punches was funny TOO.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:55 pm 


Boxtradamus

“LOL at Boxtradamus going on and on about “prince” Ward. Froch just filled Wembley stadium with 80,000 fans. Ward couldn’t do 1/4 of that if the fans were paid to watch him fight.”-GOOD thing that how many fans watch you does not factor into the EXPERTS rankings. SKILLS DO. Every EXPERT on this planet ranks Ward ahead of every Fighter above 147 lbs and they agree with ME on that. You can fill UP Cowboys Stadium with 100,000 fans and it STILL won’t help you. Beating Ward is the only thing that can help you. Thats why no one has helped their case for being ranked #1.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:52 pm 


BEARS

again multiple hits after the bell from ward round 10! combos afterthe bell!!! WTF!!! is that son??? thats funny as hell thAts what that is

Posted June 1, 2014 10:51 pm 


BEARS

wards winning. not An impressive fight for either guy. kessler would have been better served to let his hands go in the last 4 or 5 rounds. momentum was in kesslers corner at first then ward started lettin his hands go and lunging with his head. get to round 10 and wards head use has gotten obscene and kesslers like WTF tothe ref. nothings really happening to ward. the refs not concerned though everyone including the ref knows a cuts already been caused on ward from a head butt, butts are a clear factor inthe fight and will probably end this fight is what its lookin like. who the phuk is this ref? wards homey? what is this refs name?

Posted June 1, 2014 10:49 pm 


Boxtradamus

“I said before, Boxtradamus and any oher Ward lover can keep going on all you want but the fact is that if the man doesn’t fight he’s going nowhere.”-First of all I’m not a Ward lover. I’m a TRUTH lover and a FACT lover. Your FACT is CORRECT. Ward sits in the THRONE at SMW. And he sits at the right hand of the THRONE of the ENTIRE Sport. Until someone challenges him and knocks him off he isn’t going anywhere. He will remain as the KING of SMW and the PRINCE of Boxing. And how many seats another Boxer fills is no factor in that.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:47 pm 


BEARS

i seethere is little to be impressed with when it comes to kessler .

Posted June 1, 2014 10:41 pm 


BEARS

the more i watch kessler the less impressed with him i get. this guy does not get good leverage on his punches often. who trains kessler?? i have to see who kessler has been effective against

Posted June 1, 2014 10:38 pm 


matthews

Who’s winning

Posted June 1, 2014 10:38 pm 


BEARS

wards left side is almost always open to attack both body and head.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:31 pm 


BEARS

icant believe ward gets away with this. he punches then when he is open to be hit he finishes with his head into a clinch. i cant believe what im watching here. i cant believe froch did not get super dirty with ward thats what ward needs.

froch got some good practice in with groves though! lol. not head butts or head use but he did some things

Posted June 1, 2014 10:29 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

From what I can tell Andre Ward career is facing a problem that it really should not: Too many fans (let alone the general public) aren’t demanding to see Andre in the ring. If I am wrong, let me know; however, based on what I’ve seen Ward accomplish as a boxer, fans and the general public should be outraged that Ward doesn’t fight more often, yet I am not aware of much demand (by fans and the public) for Ward to fight. What is the problem? Can it be that Andre Ward too polished, intelligent (this is evident whenever Andre speaks), sophisticated for the boxing crowd? I don’t know, but given Andre’s athletic ability as demonstrated in the ring, I would think that fans would want to see him as much as they want to see Floyd Mayweather. Once again, let me know what you think.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:27 pm 


BEARS

wow. ward is ducking his opponents shots and lunging with his head. that is garbage. then lunges with his wide hooks. kessler should have lunged his head strait into wards nose and eyes.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:24 pm 


BEARS

ward three a heavy deliberate shot way after the bell round 5. ward is wide open lunging with all kinds of wide hooks. he is open for a ton of stuff here. he has that left held strait up the other half of the time i cant believe kessler does blast his body with rights and open up that head

Posted June 1, 2014 10:22 pm 


te tumbo

“froch does not live and train in the us like pac and canelo”. they split their time between the U.S. and home for living and training. in fact, last i saw, Canelo was renting space in Big Bear for the Mayweather bout and Pacquiao* begins warming-up in the Phillipines before crossing the larger Pacific and moving into his rental with entourage in tow. you’ve got fighters from Africa and South America making the same sacrifice to contend for and defend titles. after all that gas about Ward not wanting to defend away from home, you seem pretty determined that Froch not be inconvenienced by the same challenge.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:21 pm 


BEARS

im not impressed by ward through the 5th vs kessler. 3 rounds to 2 through 5 for ward. ward has not faced a great deal of very good fighters if u ask me. wards good but he is not dominating and its not one sided by any means. rounds are close

Posted June 1, 2014 10:19 pm 


GodsP.A

Terrible write up. Wot has Froch done since losing to Ward?? C’mon now…
Better question… Wot has Ward done since defeating Froch??

Posted June 1, 2014 10:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, spare us the rounds and award Kessler a UD based on your SICK and addled brain..

Posted June 1, 2014 10:16 pm 


BEARS

i have the fight even through 4 rounds.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Saying “Wards irrelevant” is a joke do you guys really think beating Groves is the stuff of legend? Kessler beating Allan Greene? Both are World Champs to be respected, but each man was dominated by Andre Ward.! They are subordinates who have tried to bolster their reputations by whining that “Big Bad Ward” beat them up away from home.. Newsflash no one owes Kessler a rematch on Danish soil that country is irrelevant to boxing and he LOST, Froch brings some low paying fans but he was soundly defeated by a one handed Ward and dispatching George Groves finally only allows him to preserve his
Prior rep but NOT actually enhance it..

Posted June 1, 2014 10:12 pm 


BEARS

froch vs groves 2 redeemed and rationalized the first fight result. lai any doubts to rest. both where a hurt george groves. a done george groves. we are not talking about hime advantage for anyone but ward. and of course there is a home advantage as EVERYONE in sports accepts. i think its even statistically backed up. someone should google it.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:11 pm 


BEARS

kessler just hit hit ward and wobbled him with a food left hook round four after ward was gettin sh!itty inside

Posted June 1, 2014 10:07 pm 


BEARS

round 2 kessler ward came on in the end but kessler was the ring general and pressed forward most the round. i give kessler both one and two

Posted June 1, 2014 10:00 pm 


SREDMOND

So called “Home Advantage” has NEVER helped Froch be consistently dominant, his first fight against Groves who is NOT an upper tier fighter at 168 saw him need a very questionable stoppage to get the win, against Dirrell MANY thought he lost at home, his last fight against a fading Kessler was not a walk in the park he was buzzed nicely in the late rounds..Froch is a tough World Class fighter but he is NOT elite, that’s why home or away his fights can VERY close.. Andre Ward faced Froch with a diagnosed bad hand away from Oakland and DOMINATED him because Wards an elite fighter..If Froch was as good as Ward then his bouts in Wembley would all be as dominant as Wards dismissals of top 168 pounders are in the US…I respect Froch coming thru in the rematch but it took him TWO bouts to get a handle on George Groves who would be a sparring partner for Andre Ward…

Posted June 1, 2014 10:00 pm 


PEEJ

So basically y’all are satisfied with Froch being 2nd beat. That’s really all it amounts to. Like I said I will continue to watch him fight. I like Froch. Y’all can keep saying Ward is irrelevant all y’all want to. Keep saying he can’t draw fans. Y’all are basically arguing with your selves because nobody is disputing that. But to be the beat at 168 you have to beat Ward.

Posted June 1, 2014 9:59 pm 


BEARS

watching ward vs kessler

round one over and goes to kessler

Posted June 1, 2014 9:57 pm 


matthews

So the refs in the UK will not allow Ward to infight is that what your saying?

Posted June 1, 2014 9:52 pm 


matthews

Funny how before the fight in NJ none of this was brought up because Froch fans figured he would kick Wards ass. Excuses. You have to travel to my country so I can figure out how to rob you because I damn sure cant outbox you.

Posted June 1, 2014 9:39 pm 


BEARS

FIGHT AFFICIONADO- thats cool man. i dont know what will be groves fate. maybe he will meet ward but groves clinches often it seems to me and thats probably the last thing u wanna do with ward is let him work his head butts

Posted June 1, 2014 9:34 pm 


BEARS

thats because the guys u listed are bada$$. froch has traveled and done the same. ward has had Ll hime advantage since day one and its disgusting me. and yeah hime advantage is a huge advantage. pacman and canelo own homes in the states son. in california. you know that. froch does not live and train in the us like pac and canelo. that post was not very thoughtful te tumbo. please do not dismiss how big an impact home advantage have in boxing. who would have won floyd vs maidana if that bout had been in argentina with argentine judges and and maidanas ref?

just got done watching david hAyes reaction to frochs ko of groves. hayes coming back.

im about to study ward vs kessler. my guess is ward had some adversity with kessler early then the headbutts came out causing a nasty cut and titling the bout in wards favor and advantage. i’m also guessing dawsons scalp was fried from training camp and dropping weight.

Posted June 1, 2014 9:32 pm 


matthews

What home advantages did Ward get in New Jersey? Since ward cant sell out a gas station in Oakland, what advantages did he have. Dirt, air, american flag etc…..

Posted June 1, 2014 9:14 pm 


PEEJ

All roads lead to Ward. If you don’t think so then you no nothing of the sport. Y’all act like it was all Froch who brought all the fans. Groves had something to do with that also. Bite is irrelevant. Yes Froch is a ticket seller, if the fight happens over seas then yes Froch is gonna get most the money. Nobody is debating that. Froch is one of the greatest fighters from where he is from. Nobody debating that. Froch is a HOF fighter, once again nobody debating that. But still the fact is to be Champion the. You have to take the road that leads to Ward. Not Chavez, not Kessler. If he wants to be the best then Ward is the man to beat. If not the 2nd beat is all you’ll be

Posted June 1, 2014 9:10 pm 


Anonymous

Seriously, does the UK really want to see Ward school and embarrass Froch again, and on British soil?

Posted June 1, 2014 9:10 pm 


Love-the-Sport

Te tumbo and Bears are right at the same time.

Ward does have the ring smarts of Mayweather … and Ward is the undisputed champion at 168.

But Bears is also right in that it doesn’t matter … Ward is irrelevant.

Why?

Because this is professional boxing … and that means these guys do it for money.

And unfortunately nobody wants to pay money to watch Ward fight.

It doesn’t matter how much Max Kellerman loves Ward … it doesn’t matter how technically proficient and killed Ward is … the only that matters are the “dollars.”

Ward doesn’t have a fan base. Ward doesn’t knock guys out. Ward sometimes uses his head and his elbows and fights dirty.

I mean, that’s three (3) big strikes against anybody fighting Ward.

If Ward wants to be relevant, he needs to stop using his head and elbows and start using his fists to generate real knockouts — Chad Dawson was a start but that fight feels like years ago at this point.

Either Ward does that – or he goes all gangsta and gets thrown in jail and develops a “bad ass” following. I think Ward is a good guy and a religious guy so that is not going to happen. The problem is that this is boxing and nice guys don’t make any money. This is boxing. Knock guys out and you make money and get big fights. Knock guys out !!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 9:08 pm 


te tumbo

“home advantage is a huge advantage especially in boxing i think more so than any other sport”. pft?! the careers of guys like Canelo, Lara, Martinez, Pacquiao* is entirely based on no hometown advantage. that is no excuse for the superior fighter not being able to stroll into Oakland and take Ward’s belts from him. it’s among the most hallowed boxing traditions. what makes today so special? other than Ward being unbeatable.

Posted June 1, 2014 9:07 pm 


te tumbo

Ward is as ring-smart as Mayweather and as natural as Toney. a case of exceeding quality overwhelming the competition. “SOG” currently occupies the lofty peak of Undefeated and Undisputed. Ward IS the Super Middleweight Division. NOTHING at 168lbs is official without Ward in the mix. “so it is written . . . so it shall be done . . .”

Posted June 1, 2014 9:01 pm 


BEARS

hey thanks there limeyjay.

its currently an embarrassing or crappy time for floyd, broner, adonis, and ward. i think people more and more are realizing what really has been floyds success and thats been his matchmaking/dodging. i personally believe that aside from hiw i described it feels to watch him fight.

sad thing if floyd would have fought the best matchups instead if dodged them we would all be calling him the goat and people around the world would care about what he had to say.

he actually has not faced the two best welters of the last 3 plus years in bradley and pacman, yet bradley and pac fight eachother, and people wanna call floyd the best welter for figting the guerreros, ortizs, and getting wooped by the maidanas?

i do not share in that opinion/view. floyds no. the best to me. u cant be the best by dodging the best and marketing crAppy opponents as good ones and making some money. maybe the best con.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:58 pm 


BEARS

no road leads to ward. he is irrelevant. and his days of having every advantage in the book are iver so we will see how that effects his game. home advantage is a huge advantage especially in boxing i think more so than any other sport. i disgusted that ward has got to exploit that advantage since day one and tickled pink he has no following or economic clout. i can totally see froch saying phuk ward. and i will laugh with froch

Posted June 1, 2014 8:50 pm 


Amoe

They could fight in china for all I care Froch won’t win

Posted June 1, 2014 8:46 pm 


te tumbo

correction: Ward is undefeated, including a convincing win over Froch, but a stadium filled with 80,000lbs-worth of fans is a solid incentive. it is time for Ward to headline a spectacle.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:32 pm 


te tumbo

“He just butts and holds bad spoils” and he’s undefeated, which makes him unavoidable. with that profile, he may end up as broke(?) as Mayweather. after all, he’s taking on all challengers and dominating. Froch isn’t in Ward’s league and ThaT’s why that rematch won’t sell . . . unless perhaps Ward traveled to London(?). Ward is undefeated, including a convincing win over Froch, but a stadium filled with 800,000lbs of fans is a solid incentive. it is time for Ward to headline a spectacle. even this wouldn’t be the biggest of his career but it’s a solid introduction to the live roar of a stadium providing the soundtrack to his work in the ring. It’s Time and this would be easy work but it’s Ward’s call.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:31 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

You have to admit that Froch is not only a legendary fighter, but a very handsome English gentlemen as well. His nose is a little large but I like a big beak…..it gives him more of a vulture-esque appearance which is mystical, mysterious, and appealing. Carl also has a lean muscular physique with long limbs, which is much more attractive than the big, bulky bodybuilder type. Surely there’s nothing wrong with admiring another mans body….. nice tight bum too!

At this point Froch would definitely KO Ward in front of his fat, stupid American fans who don’t know anything about boxing. The UK is still the global epicenter of pro boxing even though we dont have a single reigning world champion.

Posted June 1, 2014 8:30 pm 


Gus

Ward would prefer to fight where it is most advantageous to him, but face it fighters fight for the big purse and Ward will fight in Timbuctoo if the money is right.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:59 pm 


ArthurWeener

Froch hold 2 belts. Ward is AWOL. what’s the friggin argument?

Mayweather demands:
gloves
size of ring,
refs
vegas

and anything else because he is the draw.

Let Ward come to Froch for the same reason. if ward wants it it’s time he fought outside his comfort zone.

super 6 was a joke. ward was the only fighter who stayed at home

Posted June 1, 2014 7:55 pm 


PEEJ

And yes all roads to lead to Ward if you wanna be Champion. If you don’t want to be Champion then yes you are correct. No need to fight Ward. I was under the assumption though that all boxers wanna be champions when they lace them up. Not settle for 2nd place

Posted June 1, 2014 7:30 pm 


PEEJ

I’ve watched the Ward vs Kessler fight a few times. He took it to Kessler. The head butts came from the in fighting. He was doing it on purpous. Ward took it to Kessler plain and silple

Posted June 1, 2014 7:28 pm 


Twin

Ward not gonna sell no tickets,

Posted June 1, 2014 7:15 pm 


Limeyjay

BEARS

in some ways boxing is not about the titles anymore. a least when it comes to ward and everyone else. no road leads to froch. no fans are demanding it in fact it seems a lot i us think better fights are out there for both froch and ward.

so i find the “all roads leadto ward” to be fallacious. i find ward irrelevant and only ward can make himself relevant of his own volition.

on another note. froch really is a throw back in that his style is for a longer more grueling and tougher fight.

as i said below ward and floyd often times it just feels like they run the clock out and have boring as hell fights. personally im not a fan of either. their styles exploit the current limitations and confines put on the box game. i dont feel like im watching a fight when i watch floyd. more kike fencing with a time limit or something. i dont know

Wow ….great post bears, I don’t normally agree with you on most things ,but credit where it’s due mate.
I think you summed that up pretty well, even down to the floyd / fencing analogy.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:14 pm 


Hardrock

Agreed on that score. Froch and Chavez junior would be a good sell and a sure fire all action bout. No doubts there. Still Ward is a decent fella who is regarded as one of the more gracious ambassadors of tje sport. The guy is highly skilled. None other than Hopkins himself said that Ward is the real deal. I respect both these guys. Maybe the fight will cime into play at some point.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:12 pm 


james

If Ward was a gentleman and a warrior he would come to the UK to fight Froch like Kessler done as its only fair but he isnt and wont do it, The fight also wont happen as Wards ego is unable to accept he is not the A side. Chavez Jr would be a much much more entertainign fight and it brings in much much more revenues so thats what i see happening.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:05 pm 


Hardrock

Well the truth is it has been proven now that Floyd NEEDS a mexican opponent, particularly during a high profile mexican holiday to generate big numbers. This has been his strategy for some time now. He won’t fight any black boxers at this point. He WILL stay clearof Keith Thurman and Shawn Porter. Bet the house on that.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:03 pm 


dick tiger

Peej- Watch the Ward vs Kessler fight. Hitting, grabbing and headbutting your way to victory isn’t the road to popularity as a prizefighter.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:02 pm 


Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Froch has called out Ward, straight after losing to him (but he was advised to take the Bute fight by his promoter) and after the Kessler fight (Ward was keen but was injured again). Ward hasn’t been available for Froch to fight against, other than when Froch took the Bute fight to build back from a loss. It’s impossible to duck someone who isn’t active. Unless Ward makes what will effectively be a comeback, Froch can’t chase a fight with him.

Personally I don’t think Froch will beat Ward, more likely lose by 3-4 rounds (closer than anyone else has got). Ward is too fast for him and too good at spoiling, unlike Groves he’s also smart enough not to brawl with Froch. It would be a shame if he never got the chance to try but surely Froch has 2 fights left, he fights twice a year and Ward may not be back fighting in time.

Posted June 1, 2014 7:00 pm 


ArthurWeener

Shane, that puts u in a majority of 1. stick to mayducker and all the yank cherrypickers u jealous tosser.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:52 pm 


Hardrock

Carl Froch deserves recognition for his victory over Groves. Froch is a pretty tough fella, determined and gives the fans their moneys worth every time he steps in the ring. A true proffesional if there ever was one. Now on to the bottom line. He has NEVER expressed an interest in facing Ward again. When the subject comes up there’s only silence from Frochs camp. Both he and Ward are good fighters but Ward is in a different category. Let’s not let freaking nationalistic pride get in the way of common sense. Ward today is a better fighter than he was three years ago. Froch at 36 is going to ride out this horse, ( fighting limited fighters) till the reins come loose. He will make good money in the time being. Ward is not a winning proposition for Froch at this point.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:51 pm 


Shane

Froch fans are not boxing fans. They are just homers. Ward beat him easily with one hand. Dirrell beat him green as grass in his hometown and got jobbed. His fans claim his greatness then want him to avoid fighting the actual champion. Ward did beat the linear light heavyweight champion in between by KO. Froch has NEVER in his career been a REAL champion in any division. NEVER. And never will. Never a champion but bring on the hall of fame! Lmfao

Posted June 1, 2014 6:48 pm 


PEEJ

I never said he was a sucker. I am a Froch fan. I am saying his promoter is the sucker cause he knows Froch can’t beat Ward. Like I said if Froch is satisfied with being 2nd beat more power to him. I will still watch him fight. But if he wants to be the best he gotta beat Ward

Posted June 1, 2014 6:46 pm 


PEEJ

Your confused with the bigger attraction and the best fighter. If your satisfied with being the bigger attraction then fine. But if you wanna be the best you gotta fight Ward. And your acting like Froch sold it out on his own. If that’s the case he would of sold out in America like Hatton did when fighting Floyd

Posted June 1, 2014 6:44 pm 


ArthurWeener

Peej, Froch isnt a ducker. Ward has been out of the picture while Froch has been avenging defeats and mopping up anyone worthy enough.

Your comment is just wrong.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:42 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah if you think Ward is a joke then you are diminishing Froch at the same time

Posted June 1, 2014 6:41 pm 


The truth

I just can’t take anyone seriously who compares a warrior like Froch who just sold out Wembley to a home town dullard like Ward who can’t even sell out his local town hall. No comparison, stop even pretending Ward is even going to be remembered by anyone outside his family and friends in 10 years.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:41 pm 


matthews

So what does that make Froch, retard.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:36 pm 


PEEJ

People keep talking about how many times Ward has fought since he fought Froch or how he draws. Yes he doesn’t draw well. So what. He beat Froch with 1 hand and his promoter doesn’t even want to avenge the embarrassing loss. If Froch doesn’t want to fight Ward and doesnt tell Hearns to try and make the fight then he is satisfied with 2nd best. All he has to do is make an offer to Watd decent enough to make the fight in his country and still keep lots of the profits to make more than Ward. If not he is satisfied with picking up titles but not the championship belt. So he is basically fighting to be 2nd best

Posted June 1, 2014 6:35 pm 


The truth

Ward IS a joke fighter dumb ass.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:33 pm 


matthews

Ok well if ward is a joke fighter then froch must be a c level bum then. Peace out.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:30 pm 


matthews

Has he even said he was up for fighting ward. Has hearn contacted ward and tried to work something out. No. He was quick to get his revenge on kessler. But no interest in ward.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:28 pm 


Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

People keep repeating that Ward is the man at SMW and saying that Froch doesn’t want to rematch. Froch has fought 5 times in the years since losing to Ward, 4 of them against tough opponents. Ward fought one tough opponent and one gimme in that time. Froch can’t fight Ward because Ward doesn’t fight any more. By the time Ward fights again, Froch will probably have beaten JCC Jnr and possibly another big earner, then retired. Not retired to avoid Ward, retired because his career is almost over and Ward has been absent from the ring for the tail end of it.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:24 pm 


ArthurWeener

For all the peeps thinking Ward has Froch’s number every time. Yes, he’s clearly the more skillful, smart boxer but Froch did light up a blue print to beat Ward.

Because Ward gassed from rd 10 onwards.

I’d give Froch more than a punchers chance is they rematched.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:23 pm 


SREDMOND

Hats off to Froch for avenging a victory tainted by an incompetent referee.. As for Ward that’s a recipe for humiliation and another booked loss.. Beating George Groves over the course of 2 bouts is 3 levels below defeating Ward who is an upper echelon Elite fighter and better than when he took Froch to school the first time..

Posted June 1, 2014 6:09 pm 


Fight Aficionado

BEARS, I felt badly for Groves who I’ve liked since before the DeGale win. He actually fought in San Jose years ago on a Guerrero undercard. Anyhow he once again had the lead and once again was worn down by Froch. I actually like both guys. This rematch was tougher to predict than most, thus the odds dropping from -300 in the first bout to -130. I didn’t bet this one and just put a prediction out there that was more based on hope I suppose.

Posted June 1, 2014 6:01 pm 


matthews

Disrespect Ward all you want but two FACTS remain; he schooled Froch with one hand and to be the best at 168 you have to go through him unless he officially retires. No other way around it.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:42 pm 


matthews

Besides Floyd, name me a US fighter that could draw 80000. Or better yet even 20000. Its a shame we dont support the domestic level like the UK does.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:35 pm 


BEARS

fight afficianado i seen u forecast groves for the win. how do u feel about the fight?

Posted June 1, 2014 5:33 pm 


Fight Aficionado

If Ward wants Froch he needs to go to England. Ward fights at Oracle that seats 18,000 and has never sold out. Froch just fought in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley. It makes no economic sense to do a rematch in Oakland when there’s mad cash to be had in the UK.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:31 pm 


Patrick

Yep, Froch vs Chavez Jr should be next. That fight would pull in HUGE $$$. And it would be a pick ‘em fight. Froch needs to stay away from Ward; Froch ain’t winning that one.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:29 pm 


Big Ham

Froch has no reason to fight Ward. He stepped up and lost to him fairly. He is not ducking him because Ward WON the first fight and won it handily. I would be like Vince Phillips begging Kostya Tszyu for a rematch. Ward is two faced, he blames Dan Goosen for all his problems but i do not beleive him. He should stay busy and fight for whatever HBO is willing to pay him and fight the best that is offered to him. He is stalling his own Career. Look at what Froch has done in the last two years. That is how you operate your career. Froch should fight Julio Cesar Chavez junior. Fight him in Las Vegas. It is the only fight that makes sense financially. Many of you do not know this but Froch was reported to have made 8M british pounds ( about 12million american dollars) for the Groves rematch. That’s how big of a draw he made himself into. If he Fights JCC he could milk both the UK and the mexican PPV audience. While Ward sits on the shelf for another year because he is unwilling to fight on HBO for 1.5M.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:20 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Popkins -Froch style already proved it could never beat Wards so why go there again..Carl is at the end of his career and fighting Chavez Jr for more money (and a fight that he can win at that) in a fan friendlier fight is what’s best for the fans who will be coming out the pocket to see these guys in the ring.. sorry kid I understand where you coming from but boxing is a business (and entertainment) first,, act like you know ..

Posted June 1, 2014 5:17 pm 


skinnysteve

soggy aint nothing but a bible banging malingerer

Posted June 1, 2014 5:16 pm 


GingerWhinger

Chuckes72 – if Ward rematched Froch with a firm no nonsense ref,Ward would not be able to rely so heavily on his grappling,butting and other unsightly,illegal tactics,and Froch would eventually tire him out and finish him,and Ward knows this,hencehis insistence that Froch must travel to the US for a rematch,he knows if he came to UK Froch would stop him

Posted June 1, 2014 5:15 pm 


BEARS

i think 3g could carry his power with him up in weight like pacman. i will look into your claims about the ouma fight/tape. look at the bout and what surrounded it and when it took place

Posted June 1, 2014 5:06 pm 


Chuckles72

Just re-watched Froch-Ward. Closer than I recalled. I gave three rnds to Froch and a couple were pretty even. Man, Ward is crafty but he is a head-butting maniac. The choice of ref would likely be a big factor in a rematch.

It was weird to see Ward actually fighting. I recall that he said that he waned to fight three or four times this year. It’s June and the total is zero.

Posted June 1, 2014 5:05 pm 


GingerWhinger

Froch is the man at 168,Ward can commentate for Frochs fights to earn some crumbs

Posted June 1, 2014 5:05 pm 


BEARS

in some ways boxing is not about the titles anymore. a least when it comes to ward and everyone else. no road leads to froch. no fans are demanding it in fact it seems a lot i us think better fights are out there for both froch and ward.

so i find the “all roads leadto ward” to be fallacious. i find ward irrelevant and only ward can make himself relevant of his own volition.

on another note. froch really is a throw back in that his style is for a longer more grueling and tougher fight.

as i said below ward and floyd often times it just feels like they run the clock out and have boring as hell fights. personally im not a fan of either. their styles exploit the current limitations and confines put on the box game. i dont feel like im watching a fight when i watch floyd. more kike fencing with a time limit or something. i dont know

Posted June 1, 2014 5:05 pm 


mark

Andre Ward wasn’t even on HBO this weekend as a guest analyst. He’s irrelevant at the moment.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:57 pm 


curtley

I think if GGG ever fights Froch the first thing you will notice is how small he looks, I have a sneaky feeling that his shots will have nowhere near the effect on Froch they have previous opponents. Whilst GGG is a better boxer than Froch if he cant hurt him he will be in a dogfight at some point. I cant help thinking about the GGG vs Ouma fight and how much trouble the small Light Middle gave him and how much punishment he soaked up and think froch would have simply walked through someone as small as Ouma

Posted June 1, 2014 4:52 pm 


JJ Petersen

Bill Phanco/ ESB, proof read before publishing please.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:50 pm 


Wlad_God

Hearn: Andre Ward can’t sell out a living room; he means little for Froch fight

Couldn’t have said it better, Ward couldn’t sell out a Bowling Alley.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:47 pm 


matthews

Ward is the champ of the division and unless he retires officially or someone beats him the roads lead to him if you seek to be the best. And how in the hell is 3000 miles away from oakland in new jersey considered wards home.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:40 pm 


eddie

Hopkins and Stevenson don’t want Kovalev and who could blame them?!? Sergey Kovalev beats them both so they’re doing their best to shut him out. Ward can step up to 175 v Kov if he wants a challenge.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:28 pm 


?

@Eric well in that case I would pick GGG over Froch. He’s the better boxer to me.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:26 pm 


Popkins

…oh dear, there was once a day in boxing when the top contenders wanted to fight the champion of their division. Or even if they didn’t, at least the fans wanted it to happen. Now it seems like the sport has become a popularity contest. I would settle for any combination of Ward, Froch, Stevenson, and Kovalev fighting eachother. But Froch and his fans seem to want Froch/JC Chavez….WTF?!

Posted June 1, 2014 4:25 pm 


Reality

Dan Goosen is screwing Ward and not letting him fight. Ward is begging to fight but Goosen won’t let him because he’s trying to sue him.
Poplins, no one is saying Froch is the best but he sold out a massive arena and gives great entertainment . He is not the most skilled but had massive heart and determination. He has spent his entire career travelling to foreign countries being huge other fighter. He only just signed with a decent promoter and was largely independent, preferring to control his own destiny. Something that award wishes he had done.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:24 pm 


fry up

Ward is semi retired these days.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:23 pm 


eric

Pokins, the only thing that matter is ward ? Lol, I guess boxing is now a one man sport.

Maybe we can get a PPV of Andre ward shadow boxing his shadow.

Your a troll, 80000 tickets sold and lots of America fans, including myself.

There’s really no debate here with a jealous little man.

Its ok man life go’s on bro call a helpline if you think about hurting yourself, its painful but you’ll get thru it.

Froch and ward fan, but froch is a bit more entertaining, no disrespect to ward, great champ.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:17 pm 


Popkins

Jazz…outside of Britain nobody cares about Froch either mate. Things change quickly in boxing. When Froch had the biggest fight of his career against Taylor a few years ago, the fight wasn’t even shown live on British televison. If he’d been KO’d by Groves last night, he would have been quickly forgotten. ….the bottom line is: Ward is THE man at 168.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:07 pm 


eric

? That’s old news dude, we all know how talented ward is, froch only has a late round Taylor type rallying chance of beating the likes of ward, it’s not impossible but unlikely froch gets a win against ward.

There now are you happy.

Id like to see froch vs 3G.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:05 pm 


mookie blaylock

Lets not get carried away, froch beat a euro bum

Posted June 1, 2014 4:05 pm 


eazy

Froch would retire b-hop

Posted June 1, 2014 4:02 pm 


eric

To bad groves dont have a Emanuel steward around to help him somewhat neutralize a punchers offensive, he may be the complete package if that were the case.

Froch vs triple G in vegas, im there if it happens.

Froch is always in a good fight, win lose or draw he has more balls than 10 floyd mayweathers.

Posted June 1, 2014 4:00 pm 


Jazz yu

Popkins, have you noticed that hardly anyone cares about Ward. No one cares that he has only fought 3 times in 3 years and is drowning in litigation. Ha ha ha ha. Ok dude keep ranting to no one.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:59 pm 


?

And it’s Wards choice where the fight would happen. He’s the undefeated undisputed champion without question. Did anybody mention that he has eat Froch already?

Posted June 1, 2014 3:54 pm 


Popkins

@? …true.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:53 pm 


?

Stevenson loses to Ward, B hop, and Especially Kov.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:52 pm 


?

WArd beats Froch where ever the fight happens. These fans are delusional.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:51 pm 


Popkins

Froch openly admitted he didn’t fancy Hopkins at 175, as he’d be too small for him. He’d run a mile from Kovalev that’s for sure, and who can blame him!!!

Posted June 1, 2014 3:49 pm 


Anonymous

are the yanks getting fed up with ward.lol.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:44 pm 


PEEJ

Once again if you wanna be champ you gotta fight Ward. If you don’t then do what you do. Froch is a good fighter but can’t beat Ward. Being 3nd beat is satisfactory to a lot of folks. Nothing wrong with that

Posted June 1, 2014 3:43 pm 


mark

Stevenson v kovalev is the only fight @ LHW. If that doesn’t happen then BHop against 1 of these 2,

Posted June 1, 2014 3:42 pm 


Jazz yu

Popkins would you like to se Ward vs Kovalev?!!! No you would like to see him vs the Kovalev dodger.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:38 pm 


Popkins

Ward is a special fighter, it’s sad that he’s not fully appreciated yet. Although it did take Mayweather a hell of a long time to become the star that he is. If Ward keeps winning, he’ll get there too.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:37 pm 


mark

Can golovkin take his power to SMW? Froch wants Vegas but the opportunity to sell out the city ground or Wembley would make financial sense, maybe he does 2/3 more fights

Posted June 1, 2014 3:34 pm 


Anonymous

to many prima donnas in boxing today,froch is a throw back.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:34 pm 


Popkins

I’d rather see Ward against Stevenson for the Ring Light Heavyweight title (and actually fighting at 175). That would make him a linear champ of two divisions, 168 and 175. The other champs at at 168 are Abraham, Froch and Bika. Ward has already beaten all three. And the other big name is Kessler who he’s also beaten comfortably. To be fair, I know Chad was a bit drained, but Andre Ko’d the Ring light heavy champ Dawson BEFORE Stevenson did anyway.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:34 pm 


Reality.

Te tumbo, no I mean Ward has no hope of being in any superfights with anyone. No one wants to watch him period. No need to be jealous of Froch. It is just economics. No one is desperate to see Ward. He just butts and holds bad spoils. He might end up broke.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:29 pm 


BEARS

froch vs 3g would be MASSIVE and a dream come true. SUPERFIGHT! fans already won if its announced! loce both those dudes and would feel bad for the looser :(

Posted June 1, 2014 3:25 pm 


mark

Groves could go after Arthur Abraham, sakio bika, plenty out there for him. He won’t fight Kessler because of sauerland. He could even fight ward in Oakland for exposure!

Posted June 1, 2014 3:24 pm 


Freddy

Carl Froch is a true warrior, win or lose, and he travels. He rematched Groves late in his career while Lennox Lewis avoided a rematch with Klitschko. Floyd Mayweather and Andre Ward never set foot outside home…

Posted June 1, 2014 3:24 pm 


Steve bunce

Froch v Golovkin, November/December this year Las Vegas, you heard it here first. Not revealing my source but I know people high up in Kazakhstani government

Posted June 1, 2014 3:22 pm 


eric

Outside of joking about groves taking the bus, I really belive groves is a true talent in every facet of the game, minus a great chin.

George can go places in boxing with his talents, just avoid big punchers until he has no choice.

Groves looked much better in the first fight, but that didn’t work so he tried a new game plan that’s understandable. George has time to learn and polish his craft.

I’m looking forward to see groves again.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:21 pm 


somerset

Ward has already proved himself against Froch. I’d rather see Ward Hopkins

Posted June 1, 2014 3:18 pm 


Mark

Would Froch Ward II sell in Vegas? Apart from a few thousand Brits it wouldn’t sell 20k?

Posted June 1, 2014 3:17 pm 


te tumbo

“. . . any hope for dull Ward to be in any any superfights with tens of thousands of fans is also a mirage”. especially if the opponent is an older and ringworn version of a guy he easily defeated the first time they met. I Agree. Ward v. Froch II only attract flies.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:16 pm 


@ BEARS

Spot on with your post.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:14 pm 


eric

I watched froch vs groves with a family friend, age 71,
That’s a long time fan, that somehow has been on a 30 break from boxing, his father was a boxer.

After the fight he stated that froch is a terrible boxer and was very surprised when I told him about carls resume and his come from behind abilities, I didn’t have time to get into details with my friend.

It’s hard to make any arguments in regards to carls boxing ability as stated by my friend, however after all carl has done in the sport and who he has fought makes froch even more special in my book.

To lack speed and superior boxing ability yet still accomplish what froch has accomplished on that level is nothing less than amazing.

Carl is a warrior and a throwback hard man, nothing but respect for MR. Froch.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:13 pm 


Mark

Froch has engineered himself into a position where Ward needs him, not the other way round. Ward is insignificant and isn’t on the boxing radar, HBO didn’t even have him involved in yesterday’s fight!!!!! The biggest SMW fight and Ward was irrelevant! HBO expert analyst and nowhere to be seen

Posted June 1, 2014 3:13 pm 


BEARS

froch is calling the shots not warx. froch is making the money not ward. froch has thefans not ward. froch is the talk not ward.

ward does not have much and i think the days of his fights seeing him with all the advantages are over. and ward should have been stripped by now. sad. he is basically holding a title hostage at this point and takin on promoters and sanctioning bodies rather than takin on opponents. ward aint sh!t right now son.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:11 pm 


Mark

Ward brings nothing to the table financially.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:08 pm 


Mark

The SMW division was a joke when Calzaghe was champ, only 2 meaningful fights v lacy and Kessler. WBO bums were the rest. Hopkins carrying on and winning is keeping calzaghes legacy alive. Froch 1st defense away from home against Jermain Taylor unified SM beating Hopkins x 2.

Anyway, froch could have 2 fights triple G at MSG, Chavez JR. In Vegas, job done.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:07 pm 


BEARS

froch and ward style match up is unique. froch started jacking ward up later in their fight. landing the best punch of the fight and sending wards mouth piece to the 5th row.

interestingly, froch mentioned he wished fights were still 15 rounds. i think froch would be even more impressive if he can fight 15 rounders. i think there is a good chance he would have beaten ward if their fight was a 15 rounder. froch is one of those guys that gets beastlier as the fight goes deeper.

it sucks that fights are only 10 and 12 rounds and people like floyd and ward can work points and run a clock out to a win. to me thats not fighting. thats a points angle and running the clock out. i really like how it use to be. about a fight rather than points and a clock.

points a clock give an advantage to certain “styles” like floyds. boxers have to pit their work in. in a very limited time frame.

did ward impress me vs froch? hell no. is ward the better “fighter”. maybe within the current limitations set on fights combined withthe advantage of home country, home town, refs, judges, and fighting a jet lagged opponent who is now eating your countries food and drinking your countries water.

Posted June 1, 2014 3:01 pm 


matthews

Let’s just say that froch and his fans know ward would beat him worse than the last outing and froch is looking for more easier fights for hiself at this point in his career. Just admit it. Froch, hearn, and froch fans want nothing to do with a ward loss and are content with being second best. Period

Posted June 1, 2014 3:01 pm 


Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

If Froch waited for Ward to be fit and available he wouldn’t have fought last year and probably wouldn’t fight this year. Ward may as well have retired after the Dawson fight, shredded his contract and made a comeback next year. At least there would be fights for the belts he sits on and an active world number 1. Froch is in limbo really, rankings wise. The top dog isn’t available to fight, so he’s got to defend the number 2 position. If this was the old days of one title per division, Ward would’ve been stripped for inactivity.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:54 pm 


Reality.

Te gumbo, any hope for dull Ward to be in any any superfights with tens of thousands of fans is also a mirage. As someone just posted, Ward is technically superior but Froch is the superior attraction.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:51 pm 


matthews

Yep. Screw being the best at my weightclass as long as I make more money than you. Thats real warrior s#$t right there. Froch should be screaming for redemption but he knows he can’t win so its a mute point.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:50 pm 


eazy

I have been to many Ward fights at Oracle, and there are always empty seats. This guy is an olympic gold medalist from one of the wealthiest regions in the U.S. and still can’t attract fans, that’s sad. Even though Ward is far more superior in technique than Froch, Froch is the far more superior attraction. He knocks people the hell out and I think he is one of the greatest fighters of this era. His resume is loaded with wins over champions or former champions and I have yet to see an opponent as confident as the cobra. I hope ward gets the fight with Froch but why would froch take a pay cut after this tremendous win?

Posted June 1, 2014 2:44 pm 


Boxer

people blind themselves from the art of boxing and focus only on that persona of the fighter, caus andre ward is the best period, call him whatever you want caus he’s probly already made cupcakes out of your favorite fighter

Posted June 1, 2014 2:25 pm 


te tumbo

any sighting of Ward on Froch’s near horizon is a mirage. guys like Ward only improve on previous wins over the likes of Froch who, even in victory over Groves, appears to be vulnerable and wiiide open v. Ward’s depth of skills, talent, and ring-smarts. Froch’s grit and Punch are his primary assets and appeal. that and a phone call might get him an autographed picture of Ward, at this point. otherwise, Golovkin for increased stature and Chavez Jr. for maximum return are Froch’s best options.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:16 pm 


Gonzo = mephisto = Turbo H@mster = Mongrelenko = Anonymous = DMX = It’s me, Ernie

this immature bloke is the worst serial multi posting troll this web site has ever seen….. Gonzo, mephisto, Turbo H@mster, Mongrelenko, Anonymous, DMX, It’s Me, Ernie…..are only a several out of the dozens of monikers this sad loser uses on a daily basis…….hes like a cyber terrorist who specializes in attacking the best commenters on ESB like Joseph Herron and TARK……

then when hes having his delusions of grandeur claims to be the #1 best poster in history of the internet…..this boy is a very sick chap with no social life and needs to be locked up in a padded room with a straight jacket……calling him funny only encourages this mentally deranged troll to flood this site with pure rubbish……

ESB was once one of the most respectable boxing forums in the world until this relentless troll ruined it like just another toilet at his institution for the the criminally insane…….as a Brit is makes me very ashamed to see one of my countrymen sabotaging the once great ESB…….its very sad really……

Posted June 1, 2014 2:12 pm 


Bla

Matthews, who cares? He just made 16 million dollars and sold out an 80,000 arena. No US boxer could get that kind of crowd and Ward certainly cannot!

Posted June 1, 2014 2:12 pm 


matthews

Froch can’t even claim to be the man in his own division. At least calslappy was that twice.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:06 pm 


eric

I hope groves made a nice payday, gota feel sorry for broke azz George groves, I mean he did have to take the bus to the fight.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:03 pm 


Prof Konje

Kellerman is an obnoxious loudmouth. Ward has contractual problems and won’t be fighting anytime soon. There are other bouts out there for Froch if he elects to continue. Maybe he should consider retiring because he has nothing to prove and made plenty of $ with the Groves fight. I don’t especially care for Groves but the man can box and would be a problem for almost any 168 pound fighter.

Posted June 1, 2014 2:02 pm 


Hoity Toity

Too many anti Froch articles on ESB for my liking. All this about Froch being soundly beaten by Ward last time is a joke. He definately lost the fight but from what I saw Ward was hanging on like crazy in the 12th round. We almost had a Froch vs Jermaine Taylor type finish.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:57 pm 


stevep

Not sure what Ward brings to the table, certainly not a financial package or the chance of a win.
Unfortunately for ward he’s a technically skilled boxer who is just not popular, given that he’d likely beat Froch again, I’m not sure what Froch would gain in what’s likely to be his last fight – Chavez vs Froch would be a huge sell and likely a good match up to watch for the fight fan

Posted June 1, 2014 1:50 pm 


ArthurWeener

Don’t let a bit of bias get in the way of a good story Kellerman u plank

Posted June 1, 2014 1:47 pm 


Anonymous

kellerman is to boxing what arnold is to acting.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:43 pm 


Marilyn13

If there was only one belt per division then Ward might not get away with only fighting at home. Then we would be able to make a more rounded and objective assessment of his qualities.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:41 pm 


Mark

Oakland? Who gives a sh1t about Oakland, Ward can’t sell 8000 in his back yard, froch just did 100,000 in 2 fights!! Neither in his home town, but I’m not about to give you a geography lesson as The UK is small.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:37 pm 


Mark

Ward needs froch, froch jus made $16 / £10 million for 1 fight. Ward wouldn’t make that in the rest of his career!

Posted June 1, 2014 1:34 pm 


Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Ward has been either injured or in a contractual dispute almost all of the time since beating Froch in 2011. Kellerman’s just talking up an asset, not being realistic about whether Ward has been there for Froch to fight. Froch had 5 title fights since 2011, Ward had 2 fights in that time (the Dawson fight and the comeback from injury gimme against a fighter who makes Groves look like Ali). Other than that he’s been mostly unavailable through injury or legal disputes. Froch isn’t ducking Ward any more than he’s ducking Calzaghe, a 1998 Roy Jones Jnr or Eubank Jnr in 3 years’ time. Ward is the best SMW in the world when he’s active but his last competitive fight was in 2012. Who can blame Froch for plying his trade rather than waiting for a fight that may not happen?

Posted June 1, 2014 1:26 pm 


matthews

So froch has never fought in oakland but you want ward to fight froch in his hometown. Draw or not he is still second best. If there was only one belt per division froch wouldnt even be a belt holder.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:23 pm 


REM

The way Froch has gone on to seperated himself from the rest of the division in a perfect world him and Ward should do it again. Dont see much changing from the first fight but man that Froch is a cagey dude.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:18 pm 


Bla

Froch is exciting, Ward is boring. Simple. No money to be made fighting Ward. Vegas will pay for Ward. Seems this author is jealous of Froch’s ability to sell out an 80,000 stadium. Ward gets about 8,000 in his hometown. Apart from revenge Froch stands to gain nothing from this in his final fight.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:10 pm 


Anonymous

Andre admitted he knew it was going to be a big advantage for him beforehand.

Posted June 1, 2014 1:10 pm 


Marilyn13

Chavez Jnr is a better pick for a Vegas fight because, while he might be less skilled than Ward, he’s vastly more popular, making for a much bigger fight; that’s what a Vegas fight is about after all, the glitz and the razzmatazz as much as anything else. Ward doesn’t bring that – he’s kind of the John Major of boxing for those who understand the reference. Froch’s name alone would make a UK date a big event – enough to carry Ward anyway – but as agreed already, Ward won’t come to the UK and why would he? As for the impossible UK fight increasing Froch’s chances, that’s pure conjecture – they could improve to 40, 50, 75%, who knows? The whole point is that the performance of a travelling Ward is a completely unknown quantity because “travelling Ward” is a contradiction in terms (unlike travelling Froch).

Posted June 1, 2014 12:59 pm 


Mark @ Matthews

Froch has never lost at home, ward has never travelled to fight, this helps froch.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:50 pm 


Mark

Froch knows he can’t beat ward that’s why he has never mentioned him. He wanted to rematch Kessler as the fight in Denmark was close and froch knew he could beat him. Froch never talks up the ward rematch. I’m a froch fan.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:46 pm 


Jim

Ward would prob beat Froch again and I think most people can draw that conclusion but this is a very disrespectful article. Froch is a the draw, not Ward. There isn’t another fighter in the world who can be as immune from the accusation of ducking an opponent than Froch. Give the man his dues. Sounds like Froch wants this fight in Vegas and to be honest Ward wouldn’t be the draw over here that the Groves fight is. As for Kellerman pfff, he’s an embarrassment to himself.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:45 pm 


Eddie

Froch has beaten Lucian Bute and Mikkel Kessler since he lost to Ward, two of the best Super Middleweights out there. Froch should fight Chavez Jnr in Las Vegas, shut James DeGale up at Wembley, then retire.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:39 pm 


Popkins

Didn’t Ward school Froch? Ward is the Ring Champ isn’t he??

Posted June 1, 2014 12:38 pm 


Fire Max Kellerman !

One of the worst boxing commenters ever !

Posted June 1, 2014 12:30 pm 


matthews

If ward is American hype then froch is garbage. Its that simple.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:27 pm 


Anonymous

ward and kellerman and hbo. american hype and comedy.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:24 pm 


Popkins

@Mark to Popkins

……………………

You are wrong, check boxrec,

judge: Michael Pernick 68-65 Groves
judge: David Singh 66-67 Froch
judge: Alejandro Lopez Cid 66-67 Froch.

HBO had groves 4/3 up at the KO. I had it even.
Please admit you are wrong Popkins

Thank you for correcting me! I do apologise …. but either way one official judge had Groves up 68/65… the other two had just one point in it. It was a close fight and Froch was not dominating the fight the way Jim Watt was making out. Had it gone to points it was a 50/50 fight, so you can make a case for either fighter. It’s didn’t. But it was an even contest while it lasted.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:20 pm 


Boxtradamus

Froch can’t beat Ward ANYWHERE in this Universe except in his DREAMS. And DREAMS are not recorded in the record Books.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:13 pm 


matthews

He beat Taylor on American soil, he beat Johnson on American soil.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:13 pm 


Boxtradamus

Boxing is made where a knockout throws the scorecards into the TRASH can. Going to recover them from the trash can is irrelevant.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:12 pm 


matthews

Why would his chances increase exactly.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:11 pm 


Mark

Froch wants to fight and win in Vegas and retire, fact is he can’t beat ward on American soil. If froch fights ward in UK it increases his chances of winning, from 30% to around 40%.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:09 pm 


Mark to Popkins

time: 2:43 | referee: Charlie Fitch | judge: Michael Pernick 65-68 | judge: David Singh 67-66 | judge: Alejandro Lopez Cid 67-66
IBF super middleweight title (supervisor: Daryl Peoples)
WBA Super World super middleweight title (supervisor: Jesper Jensen)

Taken off boxrec to prove to Popkins that he cannot read scorecards.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:06 pm 


matthews

So why is froch choosing junior in his big Vegas fight instead of ward for redemption. Because he knows he can’t beat him without help.

Posted June 1, 2014 12:05 pm 


Mark to Popkins

You are wrong, check boxrec,

judge: Michael Pernick 68-65 Groves
judge: David Singh 66-67 Froch
judge: Alejandro Lopez Cid 66-67 Froch.

HBO had groves 4/3 up at the KO. I had it even.
Please admit you are wrong Popkins

Posted June 1, 2014 12:04 pm 


fras

Ward needs to find his map and get out of california. Froch is the biggest name in SMW these days.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:59 am 


Popkins

The judges scorecards from last night:

judge: Michael Pernick 68-65
judge: David Singh 66-67
judge: Alejandro Lopez Cid 66-67

…. and Groves outlanded Froch by 126 to 96.

If HBO thought Groves was winning the fight, that’s because he was.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:58 am 


Boxtradamus

Groves didn’t out Box Froch ever. A Championship Fight is 12 rounds. Groves had 2 shots and could not make it go the distance. Maybe next time he should request a 5 round Fight.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:56 am 


matthews

And froch will fight junior in the states and not ward. He needs homecooking to beat ward. Smh

Posted June 1, 2014 11:55 am 


Mark to Popkins

Gets your facts right and learn how to read scorecards on boxrec. Froch was up on 2/3 cards ya plank.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:55 am 


Boxtradamus

Well its a GOOD thing that Froch doesn’t need to be the BEST. Because IF he DID the only hope he would have would be to PRAY.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:54 am 


matthews

I dont need to apologize for ward. The FACT is he is THE supermiddleweight champion of the world. Froch is making more money, good for him. You are still second best and you always will be.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:50 am 


Demon

Froch does not need Ward. Froch is earning million while Ward could not afford to fly to London this week LOL.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:45 am 


Popkins

So Groves was more accurate during the fight, landed more punches, and two of the three judges had him winning the fight prior to the KO …. Congratulations to Froch – it was a fine KO. ….But not the dominating kind of victory the British papers and Sky TV will brainwash you into believing.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:44 am 


Marilyn13

And if Ward is satisfied with no meaningful fights, no substantial following and no big paydays, more power to him too. But seriously Matthews, he’s a big lad; he doesn’t need you for an apologist. (On the other hand, as you’re prepared to defend him further afield, maybe you DO have a role to play…)

Posted June 1, 2014 11:40 am 


Gus

It’s not that Froch beat Butte but how convincively he beat him. Froch made very short work of Butte

Posted June 1, 2014 11:39 am 


Boxtradamus

Froch had better stay FAR FAR AWAY from Ward. That would be called destroying your OWN momentum. Ward is the most SKILLED Boxer above 147 in the Universe. Beating Groves twice in ONE night still doesn’t compare to facing Ward.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:29 am 


Bernie

Do people really listen to Slappsie Maxie and his cheerleading gf, Lampley? Along with Teddy Assface, the worst “broadcasters” in boxing. Watch the fights on mute, it’s a far more pleasant experience.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:27 am 


PEEJ

Ward is a super middle. He doesn’t need to move up yet. As for Froch, his promoter has already stated he is not looking for a rematch with award. All roads still lead through Ward. Ward is the champ. If you wanna be champ then you gotta beat the best which is Ward

Posted June 1, 2014 11:24 am 


matthews

And ward owes froch jacks#$t. If froch is satisfied being second best then more power to him.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:21 am 


Big Al

Kellerman can be so pathetic sometimes. Why doesn’t he pressure Ward to move up to LHW with his silly comments.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:18 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

A Froch vs Ward rematch seems only slightly more likely than Mayweather vs Pacquiao. Too bad for boxing and its fans.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:18 am 


matthews

I can’t help that the UK isn’t as massive as the US. Fact is ward traveled 3000 miles and so did froch and froch got schooled. Why is froch willing to fight junior in Vegas and not the division champ. Smh

Posted June 1, 2014 11:15 am 


yo

Froch making good money with his boy George.

I wouldn’t mind one more go between them.

A relatively safe fight for Froch, big business for his bank account, and a nice win to end the career on.

Froch doesn’t need Ward.

Froch is the fighter people care about and pay to see.

Posted June 1, 2014 11:12 am 


Peter

Froch-Ward? Sure, but ONLY in the UK. Ward owes him that, and there’s no way Froch should agree to fight him again the the States.

But Froch should first take another belt from Bika or Abraham in Las Vegas, if such a fight could be made.

If not, maybe Chavez Jr in Las Vegas (would sell better, so be easier to make in las Vegas), followed by a rematch with Ward in another huge arena (if not Wembley again) in the UK.

If he wants three more fights, he should grab another belt from Bika or Abraham, maybe in Nottingham (homecoming), then Chavez Jr in Vegas, and lastly Ward in the UK.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:47 am 


Obicoke

This writer doesnt know his boxing. Froch hasn’t fought a quality fighter since Ward!!! What about Kessler and Bute, Bute having won 10 IBF world title fights on the bounce till he met Froch. So you cant say these 2 arent quality. Then he says Groves (an unproven fighter) best win against DeGale. He fought and comfortably beat Glen Johnson who still is a decent fighter even though he’s now coming to the end of his career. Groves may not be World class yet but with a decent trainer and if he listens to them (and thats a big IF) can be the next generation along with DeGale.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:36 am 


Wlad_God

Ward needs to move up to LHW, oh that’s right, he would get crushed by the Crusher.

Ward has no fans and little interest in fighting outside Cali, the stay busy Cobra keeps on fighting and winning, we hear crickets from Ward or he fights weigh drained opponents that are already broken before he fights them.

Chav Jr in Vegas, have a rematch with Degayle and Lil Red, winner fights Froch and call it a night.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:33 am 


Marilyn13

Of course it’s Ward’s choice whether to fight Froch a second time or avoid the rematch. I’m glad we can stop pretending it’s down to Froch!

Posted June 1, 2014 10:30 am 


Molino

Ward couldn’t even be bothered to travel to support his stable mate and chief sparring partner in his biggest fight and drum up interest for a future bout so why should Froch indulge him with another fight? Typical stay at home Yank.

‘Superstar’ Ward’s purse v ‘big name US fighter’ Chad Dawson was £1.5m. Groves earned more as the loser in this fight and Froch got £8m. Other than Mayweather and Pacquiao, US boxing is in the doldrums; MMA seems to be the big new thing for the US fans. Contrast that with the UK where there’ll be 10k in Newcastle watching another minor domestic dust up in Hall v Butler this Saturday.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:26 am 


matthews

That’s wards choice if he wants to travel to school froch again. I mean he did travel 3000 miles to school him the first time. Plus ward is man the man in the division. Its his choice.

Posted June 1, 2014 10:10 am 


Marilyn13

Lol. Like Ward would come to the UK to fight Froch or anyone else!

Posted June 1, 2014 10:03 am 



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