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chatman/stupid assman, everyone knows you’re sredmond

Posted June 7, 2014 5:03 pm 


John Digby

Tyson and Holmes, two morons.

Posted June 7, 2014 3:19 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

I am not SREDMOND STUPID

Posted June 7, 2014 1:44 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

D must stand for DUMB ASS

Posted June 7, 2014 1:43 pm 


D

sredmond, you’re the racist and nationalist around here. everyone knows it.

you live in a glass house.

Posted June 7, 2014 1:40 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Now who’s pulling the race card…Don’t like the truth so you label all black people racist…GTFOH….

Posted June 7, 2014 1:23 pm 


Anonymous

praise the lord.

Posted June 7, 2014 1:16 pm 


TARK

Racism isn’t something a particular race has a corner on. There are white racists… black racists… brown racists… yellow racists… bronze racists… and even red racists.

There are a lot of people of shades in between… Some of those also think they’re the ones with the “real stuff” whatever that is.

They’re all mistaken and will pay for their attitudes on Judgment Day … and ever after

Posted June 7, 2014 1:07 pm 


JJ

Well, David Haye sure had plenty of believers right up until he met Wlad, now they’re rarely witnessed around, LOL!! Wladimir Klitschko is an ALL TIME GREAT Heavyweight Champ.

Posted June 7, 2014 1:00 pm 


Anonymous

david toe haye as good as ali.LMFAO.

Posted June 7, 2014 12:43 pm 


BEARS

!!!
which is understandable. people are realizing blacks are some of the most racist people known to man. you look at boxing and are recent examples of racism are mayweather and nard hopkins. mayweather talkn bout pacman and nard talkn bout never loosing to a white.

your a trashbag like them guys and your a coward. u can not even come out with it on the internet. outright. guess thats your version of hiding under white sheets biatch

Posted June 7, 2014 2:16 am 


BEARS

maybe to blacks and black communities like you sracemond/octavious jomar black dude

Posted June 7, 2014 2:11 am 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Your right; every win by him is historic…Historically he will be remembered as the king of the heavies in the WEAKEST ERA in the DIVISION….His brother will be remembered for giving Lewis a great fight in a LOSING EFFORT…..There is your GREATNESS in a NUTSHELL…..

Posted June 7, 2014 2:01 am 


BEARS

baiting TARK to speak ill of me huh sracemond? lol @ u

the fact is EVERY win for wlad is historic. u say wlad can not fight i. the u.s. you of all people BROTHER MAN. should know the u.s. has had no heavies forever. we have had noone. wlad actually fought at MSG!! two europeans at heavy!! unprecedented as far as i know. so actually it speaks volumes about wlad. americans fightig in america and doing well. thats EXPECTED. tao european heavies on the other hand not so much. try to think before you speak. there are not two american fighters of ANY weight division who are gonna sell wembley like froch did so epic fail on your race agenda again SON!!!

you do not know sh!t. it is funny reading up and down all the threads you have pissed on. people literally dismantle your posts then you say “yeah and …..” you go on to reword your posts and call yourself right. you’re a phukin joke dude.! u need your denture teeth knocked out again by the same white tuys or group of white guys that have done it multiple times already and fueled your scorn for the white race.

bahahahahahahah

and quit copying my style and using my terminology u lame phuk. read a book

Posted June 7, 2014 1:38 am 


TARK

Happyboy says.., “Give me one good fighter any of the Klitchkos beat and I will tell you how great they are.”

Two weight division Heavyweight Champion David Haye. Haye was 27-1. His only previous loss was to a 35 fight veteran when he had only 10 fights. Haye is as slick a boxer-puncher as anyone from the 70’s. He defends better and punches harder than Ali.. He’s much stronger, much more skilled, and has much better punching power than Jimmy Young.

Eddie Chambers was 35-1… Chambers beat undefeated 29-0 top contender, Alexander Dimitrenko who was 6’7″ X 257. He was a light hitting but slick boxer who Wladimir utterly destroyed with a devastating KO.

Two division World Champion Thomas Adamek… Who was 44-1 and a slick boxer. Adamek easily beat Kevin McBride who stopped Mike Tyson.

Mariusz Wach 6’7.5” X 257 smashing puncher… Who put Kevin McBride in a coma.. Mike Tyson couldn’t hurt the huge 6’5 X 280lb McBride with his best shots.

I could go on to Alexander Povetkin and 20 other opponents… But you get my point.

And before you start calling Haye, Chambers, and Adamek Cruiserweights; remember that Ali fought Henry Cooper at 201… and Karl Mildenberger at 203… and Holmes fought Ken Norton at 209… Size is an asset… Foreman had it versus Frazier, he weighed 217. The K-Bros have more of it.

Admek weighed 216… Chambers weighed 209… and Haye weighed 210.75… That’s not a cruiserweight anymore than Floyd Mayweather is still a lightweight.

Posted June 6, 2014 11:24 pm 


Happyboy

Eric – Give me one good fighter any of the Klitchkos beat and I will tell you how great they are….

Posted June 6, 2014 10:19 pm 


Happyboy

” Bears is a VERY STRONG mixture of BOTH…” 100% agree

Posted June 6, 2014 10:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Funny Tark I don’t see you admonishing the RAMPANT Bigoted comments from your BEST FRIEND and fellow butt ranger Bears but suddenly now you are hurling accusations??? Ahhhhh your true nature has been revealed! I always thought you were MORE idiot than racist whereas Bears is a STRONG mixture of BOTH…

Posted June 6, 2014 5:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Lepai is ANOTHER NO NAME opponent that get Wlad no historical cred..Who are you trying to fool? Other guys beat World Champions and HOF fighters and you have NOTHING good to say…FEW people are interested in the HW Champion in this country and my response was to your friend and OBVIOUS BIGOT Bears assertions that the reason the Klits are an EPIC fail in terms of US popularity is the failure of particular groups to support them.. My contention is that they are failures in the US because NO ONE is supporting them in a country where 200 million people look just like them!!! FACTS

Posted June 6, 2014 5:46 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, the Klitschkos are COMPLETE failures in the US as it pertains to PPV and status as HW Champions… Lewis, , Pac Man, Hatton and others have crossed over to the US public BUT NOT The Klits who are pretty much banished from these shores… When is the last time the Klits fought here? Vitali vs Arreola? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA! HBO barely televises their fights and Wlad was PANNED by the announcers after that crapfest with Povetkin… Why fight reality??

Posted June 6, 2014 5:41 pm 


TARK

Sredmond saying laughably stupid things..,

“There are close to 200 million White Americans in the US the NUMBER one group economically and statistically if they cannot support the Klits its certainly NOT due to economic reasons or a lack of populace.”

They DO support the Klitschkos you IDIOT… The Klitschkos have fought in the US over 20 timess…fighting in the Staples Center… Madison Square Garden… Las Vegas… and other fight venues all over the country… Their fights have been attended by paying Americans of every color, ethnicity, and race … They are not race conscious UNLIKE YOU!!!!

Posted June 6, 2014 4:27 pm 


TARK

Serdmond LIES AGAIN…, “HaHaHaHa “Wlad has wiped the Old Greats off the Record books” thats why Wlads fights are NOT even shown in the US”

They ARE televised in the US you IDIOT… The last Klitschko fight was versus and UNKOWN challenger, Leapai, who get happened to score a stunning upset over the number 1 contender, Bostsov, who was 33-0 but is now 33-1 because Leapai beat the shlt out of him.

Hours of televised air time where devoted to Klitschko vs Leapai in the United States. Wladimir looked spectacular in dominating the action, and only gettting hit 10 times in 5 rounds… He had sparring sessions that were tougher.. He desposed of Leapai to bring his KO ratio back up over 80% … and his winning streak stretching past 10 years.

Posted June 6, 2014 4:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Eric, your post is basically ONE long stereotype about YOUR limited experiences and opinions… WEAK it will play well with a backwater dullard and father of a bastard child Bears but to the more educated folk you are clearly a mental midget… Jus Say’in HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 6, 2014 3:39 pm 


SREDMOND

There are close to 200 million White Americans in the US the NUMBER one group economically and statistically if they cannot support the Klits its certainly NOT due to economic reasons or a lack of populace… Reality is that AMERICA, not White, Black, or Spanish has decided the Klits are BORING and not worth watching or paying for… That Povetkin bout was SAD and so was Haye and these were supposed to be Wlads big bouts… RANCID affairs don’t blame other ethnic groups for not making the Klits stars here, the simply don’t have that “Must See” Factor… Vitali retired and barely anyone outside the hardcore community notices or gave a RATS AZZ in the US!

Posted June 6, 2014 3:37 pm 


SREDMOND

Eric, I don’t KNOW YOU or your Professor soooooo I really don’t care and don’t understand the relevance.. Each person is an individual jerk in my mind if we don’t get along I find your story unpersuasive and totally impossible at bending my will… but keep trying if you must!! :)

Posted June 6, 2014 3:34 pm 


SREDMOND

SweetSciGuru, Mayweather is OBVIOUSLY more entertaining that Wlad because he sells Wlad under a bridge and don’t bore me with those $15 stadium fights in Germany the TRUTH is that FMJ generates more revenue in one good night than most of the rest of boxing can do in a FULL 6 months.. Wlad cannot even give his fights away here and he is the HW Champion, meanwhile Floyd can have 2.2 million people pony up $70 to see him do his business… FACTS..

Posted June 6, 2014 3:32 pm 


BEARS

blacks and mexicans back their own fighters thats why they are not sellin in the networks. whites are into mma. it is rare u meet white bixing fans in america

Posted June 6, 2014 2:41 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Eric….Your assertion that most AMERICAN FANS are racist and that’s the reason why Wladimir fights aren’t shown here is a bunch of BS…And to prove my point is this….If we only championed American fighters…Why is it that fighters like Pacman, Amir Khan, Lara, Angulo, and many others are huge here and people demand to see them….Wladimar is BORING and that’s the reason why no one wants to see him….It’s about BUSINESS; HBO, Showtime, they want fights that are going to get people to SUBSCRIBE and tune in…..Wladimar does not fit that bill….And that’s why he is not in DEMAND…..Nothing more nothing LESS….

Posted June 6, 2014 2:18 pm 


eric

Sred you can be that way to but I still like some of your post, your good at debating and entitled to your opinions.

Im sure deep down your a good person.

Posted June 6, 2014 2:12 pm 


SweetSciGuru

@SREDMOND You worship Floyd Mayweather and he’s MORE DULL than Klitschko, so stop your continual whining, you CRY BABY!

Posted June 6, 2014 1:28 pm 


eric

Me and one of my professors “African American” was chating prior to the Mayweather vs Oscar fight, I brought up klitschko and he just made a psh… remark rolled his eyes and walked away angered.

I was wearing a hat with a white fighters name on it at a meat market, every black guy in store acted like they wanted to murder me.

Talking boxing at the gym, Arabic guys, Indian guys, Asian guys all talk and share opinions without problems, but 99 % of black guys act angry and p’d off.

90% of all black posters mostly Americans always bash klitschko to no end.

Kelly pavlik said when he was coming up black fighters treated him like a nobody basically because of the color of his skin.

Tommy Morrison said he felt he got the amount of flack he got due to him being white.

Bhop called joe c a white boy.

Larry Holmes admitted the boys in the hood told him u better not let a white boy beat you or dont come back to the hood.

Jackass white folk back in the day were also racist behond belief and should have been put in front of a firing squad.

To bad American boxing fans cant get over stupidity.

Posted June 6, 2014 1:28 pm 


eric

Wladimir s fights not shown in the United States is partly due to a coulpe boring fights, both unification bouts if remember correctly.

The biggest reason is because most American boxing fans are racist.

Posted June 6, 2014 1:09 pm 


BEARS

%%
HAIL TO THE KINGS! THE NEW KINGS!!!

THE KLITSCHKOS!!!

no doubt peak BAD WLAD KLITSCHKO absolutely SMOKES ANYONE he ever lost to in a rematch!!

wlad has wiped the old greats off the record books and replaced their name with his!!! GREATNESS INCARNATE!!!

and the GOAT VITALY!!! a BEAST ON TO HIMSELF with heavy weight histories most unique style. i dare someone to mention a heavyweight with a more unique style than the GOAT vitaly klitschko!!!

Posted June 6, 2014 12:04 pm 


SREDMOND

ECAT, I would disagree truth is that the HW division has certain expectations and right or wrong Wlad is gonna get dinged because he is a monster of a man… Does he get stoppages? yes but they are often after watching him labor thru holding, leaning, jabbing all night till his opponent his tenderized then he puts them out… This obviously gave him the career he had because we know when he opened up in past he has spent time on the deck.. Virtuoso boxing, ie fast combos, activity, accuracy, footwork and other subtle components of boxing are more appreciated in the lower weights as opposed to the monsters that populate HW… I am not advocating for Klits to get himself stopped again but the truth is that his contests are often DULL… And he is one of the reasons they are..

Posted June 6, 2014 11:56 am 


BEARS

!!!
HAIL TO THE KINGS! THE NEW KINGS!!!

THE KLITSCHKOS!!!

no doubt peak BAD WLAD KLITSCHKO absolutely SMOKES ANYONE he ever lost to in a rematch!!

wlad has wiped the old greats off the record books and replaced their name with his!!! GREATNESS INCARNATE!!!

and the GOAT VITALY!!! a BEAST ON TO HIMSELF with heavy weight histories most unique style. i dare someone to mention a heavyweight with a more unique style than the GOAT vitaly klitschko!!!

Posted June 6, 2014 11:34 am 


SREDMOND

HaHaHaHa “Wlad has wiped the Old Greats off the Record books” thats why Wlads fights are NOT even shown in the US for fear that one of the hugfests might turn off another 1 million boxing fans..

Posted June 6, 2014 11:33 am 


SREDMOND

HaHaHaHa “Wlad has wiped the Old Greats off the Record books” thats why Wlads fights are NOT even shown in the US for fear that one of the hugfests might turn off another 1 million boxing fans..

Posted June 6, 2014 11:22 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, NO he does NOT because two of his losses are unavenged which happens in boxing.. Lewis “Smokes” every guy he lost to in a rematch because he came back and handled his business and did not rely on his Big Bro to beat up the Cplus and D- level fighters that stopped him (Sanders and Purrity) You cannot get cred for bouts you did not win and NOTICE you are the ONLY goon yelling “Hail the King” Vitali is gone and it was nice and quiet absent fanfare because despite his steady nature we only lost a single beltholder who’s best night was defeating Samuel Peter..

Posted June 6, 2014 11:20 am 


BEARS

HAIL TO THE KINGS! THE NEW KINGS!!!

THE KLITSCHKOS!!!

no doubt peak BAD WLAD KLITSCHKO absolutely SMOKES ANYONE he ever lost to in a rematch!!

wlad has wiped the old greats off the record books and replaced their name with his!!! GREATNESS INCARNATE!!!

and the GOAT VITALY!!! a BEAST ON TO HIMSELF with heavy weight histories most unique style. i dare someone to mention a heavyweight with a more unique style than the GOAT vitaly klitschko!!!

Posted June 6, 2014 12:34 am

Posted June 6, 2014 10:55 am 


herolg

SREDMOND makes nearly every topic about Wladimir Klitschko even though the article is about Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson. It’s clearly killing him that white men from Eastern Europe have been running the show at Heavyweight for the last decade now. His much vaunted African American boxing heroes who USED to own the division have been having their azzes routinely kicked and they’ve have been powerless to prevent it. There’s a lot of hurt pride around…

Posted June 6, 2014 9:44 am 


herolg

SREDMOND makes nearly every topic about Wladimir Klitschko even though the article is about Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson. It’s clearly killing him that white men from Eastern Europe have been running the show at Heavyweight for the last decade now. His much vaunted African American boxing heroes who USED to own the division have been having their azzes routinely kicked and they’ve have been powerless to prevent it. There’s a lot of hurt pride around…

Posted June 6, 2014 9:21 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, but the time Tyson was Wlads age he had fought Holyfied 2x and Lennox Lewis ONCE… During his first 46 fights Tyson was 45-1 meanwhile by the time Wlad had 45 fights he had been KOed by 3 serious underdogs one of them a SAD bum while Wlad was a prime fighter…. FACTS

Posted June 6, 2014 9:14 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, Vitali has retired and barely anyone except you with your jar of lotion and Vitali bobble head doll have noticed or really made much of it…If this fighter was within 1 million miles of being considered “The Goat” there would have been far more discussion of his departure instead very little has changed absent Stiverne beating Arreolas fat AZZ to take the vacant title..

Posted June 6, 2014 9:12 am 


SREDMOND

Wlad was NOT drugged by anyone before the Brewster fight thats a ridiculous assertion invented by conspiracy theorists like Tark and Bears in a vain attempt to edge Wlad towards and undefeated record or water down the embarassing nature of his losses to underdogs.. No one was discussing mystery drugs when he was tagging Lamon Brewster for the first 5 rounds, minute that Brewster showed some guts and punching power suddenly BUTT HURT maggots want to rob the guy of his victory… SMH…

Posted June 6, 2014 9:07 am 


Roman

and THIS IS WHY

I LOVE ESB!!!!! LOL FUNNY STUFF!!!!

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Posted June 6, 2014 6:02 am 


ezekiel

tark i love you

Posted June 6, 2014 5:40 am 


ezekiel

TARK you lie a lot.

Posted June 6, 2014 5:21 am 


TARK

Mike Tyson was stopped 5 times by the time he reached Wladimir’s age…

Tyson was knocked out by Danny Williams who Vitali Klitschko knocked out… Tyson was stopped by Kevin McBride who Mariusz Wach put into a coma… Wach had NO chance against a 37-year old Wladimir.

Tyson was given opportunities to fight the K Bros but said, “They’re too big and strong for me.”

So were Buster Douglas… Evander Holyfield twice… and Lennox Lewis… All were older than Tyson.

Posted June 6, 2014 1:55 am 


peej

No doubt the klitschko$ would give problems early on but in the late rounds I feel I would stop either kbro.

Posted June 6, 2014 1:25 am 


TARK

Vitali Klitschko actually reminded me of Gene Tunney a little bit— Very strong jab.. great straight right.. fluid left hooks.. hands down and relaxed.. good strategic movement.. very tight defense.

Frazier had a fairly unique style for heavyweight champs.. Walk straight in.. load and throw left hooks.. bull in closer.. keep taking punches and throwing … until the other guy is finished or the final bell rings.

Posted June 6, 2014 1:18 am 


BEARS

HAIL TO THE KINGS! THE NEW KINGS!!!

THE KLITSCHKOS!!!

no doubt peak BAD WLAD KLITSCHKO absolutely SMOKES ANYONE he ever lost to in a rematch!!

wlad has wiped the old greats off the record books and replaced their name with his!!! GREATNESS INCARNATE!!!

and the GOAT VITALY!!! a BEAST ON TO HIMSELF with heavy weight histories most unique style. i dare someone to mention a heavyweight with a more unique style than the GOAT vitaly klitschko!!!

Posted June 6, 2014 12:34 am 


TARK

Larry Holmes was the best Heavyweight Champion from 1890 to 1990… Mike Tyson was the hardest puncher from 1890 to 1990.

Posted June 5, 2014 10:46 pm 


TARK

I see Wladimir with only 2 losses…

I believe he was drugged before the 1st Brewster fight. He hired lawyers and wanted a federal investigation into what happened to his blook work and urine samples from the fight—and from the hospital tests. He said in the 1st round he was so tired he could barely stand and it kept getting worse. He said he never felt that way in any other fight, he was feeling woozy without getting hit.

Gamblers made millions of dollars betting on Brewster.. The money came in at the last minute and moved the odds in an unprecendented way.

Posted June 5, 2014 10:41 pm 


eric

People always overlook ALI laying on the ropes taking a massive beating to the body then upstairs and reference him as some great defensive wizard, and called it rope a dope.

Posted June 5, 2014 9:53 pm 


eric

Tyson was a beast in his early days and the last superstar in the heavyweight division, but tyson is and was overall a huge underachieving fighter, mike has also admitted he was an underachier….

Everytime tyson stepped up to world level he got beat up. Mike was exciting to watch thou.

Larry is and was underappreciated, underrated champ. Very solid fighter.

The only stoppage of wladdy “Corrie Sanders fight” that was somewhat impressive.

Klitschko was out of shape mentality and physically before the brewster fight, Lewis lovers say he was out of shape in the vitili bout but cant belive Vladimir was out of shape in the brewster fight, talk about double standards lol, lame.

Wladimir had a few losses and haters love to go back over 10 years to depict ancient history and avoid a 10 year dominant rein, that barely see’s a loss of round.

Klitschko has beat big undefeated fighters, power punchers, slick fast boxers, Americans, Africans, Europeans, guys with unblemished records thought to be the next big thing, Wladimir has taking titles without breaking a sweat alongside breaking records.

What other heavyweight contenders could duplicate klitschkos rein ??? Nobody that’s who.

K bros will be inducted into the BHOF and recognized as great champions whether you like it or not.

Posted June 5, 2014 9:22 pm 


laj

And now Don King has Stiverne, how sad. King is great, for himself. Ali’s jab was fast and you are right, it did cut up a number of fighters. Holmes and Liston had much stiffer jabs, Holmes had a great controlling jab he had more versatility with it.

Posted June 5, 2014 7:01 pm 


Jab

Holmes never should have fought Tyson. Ali should not have fought his sparring partner Holmes, but all listened to Don King who didn’t give a damn!

As for jabs, Liston had a hard damaging jab. Holmes had an excellent he learned from Ali who had a jolting jab that could slice and dice an opponent.

Posted June 5, 2014 6:56 pm 


laj

Let’s take the opposite, how many fight didn’t Ali hold excessively or even get away with placing his extended left hand on the opponent’s head and leave it there? But because Ali got hit a lot and looked more graceful holding it was always overlooked. Was Ali any less great, hell no, he is still one of the top 3 ATG’s at HVWT.

Posted June 5, 2014 6:19 pm 


laj

I agree there have been times Wald held excessively. However I can only name three myself, Povetkin, and believe me, that fight I would have thrown toilet paper at Wald, it was inexcusable. There was Haye, but most of that was from Haye jumping into him, and then I thought he held more than he should have against Iggy. Other than that please name me another fight. Bryd-no, Peter-No, Chageav-no, Wach-no, Pianetta-no, Brewster-definite no, Thompson-no, austin- need I even answer this, Brock-no, Rahman-no, chambers-no, mormeck-no, Leapia-no. every fight before these Wlad didn’t even know how to hold, that’s why he has three losses before he learned better defensive skills. None of these fights were boring either, they were clinics.

Posted June 5, 2014 6:16 pm 


psy

i’d take wlad now to beat pretty much any other heavyweight that has gone before. maybe prime lewis could beat him.
i do not enjoy watching wlad’s fights, they are second only to hopkins and ward in terms of grappling and spoiling.

Posted June 5, 2014 6:08 pm 


laj

Let’s get one thing straight that a lot of people misinform on here. Just because you say something doesn’t mean it is true. Stating that Wlad took a beating in his three losses is another incorrect assertion. Fact he was administering a beating in two of those fights, not taking one. He definitely got hammered by Sanders, no argument there. Saying he didn’t get up is another false statement. Fact Wlad was never in his career counted out. Fact he finished all his fights on his feet. When people exaggerate and make blatantly false statements greatly to make a point it doesn’t further the argument they are making.

Posted June 5, 2014 6:04 pm 


laj

Sredmond, again is is just math. If you can’t do simple math than don’t make dumb comments. Go ahead name the 10 times he would have been KO’ld or at least admit you were grossly exaggerating.

Posted June 5, 2014 5:55 pm 


laj

In fact Sredmond I was wrong, I forgot about the 2 DQ’s and 1 5 round TD, so there have only been 7 Wlad fights that have lasted the distance in his ENTIRE 65 fight career. Do I need to tell you how many lasted the distance in his first 42 fights?

Posted June 5, 2014 5:53 pm 


SREDMOND

Laj, Wlads staunchest supporters love to say he only lost because “he gassed” I personally don’t accept that excuse for his 3 beatings but lets pretend that holds water.. 15 round fights REALLY opened fighters up to MORE damage and more ring deaths (they did a study) and that’s why it changed…If Wladdy was having issues doing 12, how would he have fared with the extra jeopardy? you might say he would end things early but then again maybe more opponents would get him into deeper water then REALLY attack… All speculation but he was looking really weak at a certain point.. Between Sanders and Sam Peter where he did not stay down for the first time when in real trouble..

Posted June 5, 2014 5:48 pm 


laj

Sredmond, some of your comments are just stupid. Wlad would have been KO’d 10X more with 15 round fights? Really name one of those fights in his first 42 that he would have been KO’d, other than the 3 he lost? That is just DUMB!!!! There aren’t even 10 fights at that time that his opponents made it the distance. In his entire career only 10 fighters have lasted the distance against. Him, really that shows so much disrespect, but also so much stupidity it is a joke.

Posted June 5, 2014 5:44 pm 


SREDMOND

ECAT, I would disagree truth is that the HW division has certain expectations and right or wrong Wlad is gonna get dinged because he is a monster of a man… Does he get stoppages? yes but they are often after watching him labor thru holding, leaning, jabbing all night till his opponent his tenderized then he puts them out… This obviously gave him the career he had because we know when he opened up in past he has spent time on the deck.. Virtuoso boxing, ie fast combos, activity, accuracy, footwork and other subtle components of boxing are more appreciated in the lower weights as opposed to the monsters that populate HW… I am not advocating for Klits to get himself stopped again but the truth is that his contests are often DULL… And he is one of the reasons they are..

Posted June 5, 2014 5:04 pm 


ECAT

Calling WK “boring” means you aren’t a true boxing fan, because WK’s style is for the purist…for those who appreciate the “sweet science”..the game is “hit and not be hit”, which WK does better than anyone in the entire sport…well except for FMJ…

Posted June 5, 2014 4:58 pm 


detroitko

look at Larry haaa – he’s still feeling the thumping he got from mike back then…

Posted June 5, 2014 4:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Anonymous, you are pretty pissed I think Wlad is a definite HOFER that said he fights DURING a TRAGIC period for HW boxing and from 96-2004 he was unstable(Sanders, Brewster 5 fights apart) then down 3x Sam Peter, one more guy had him down during that span…Larry Holmes was dominant ALL thru his prime and did not get stopped till he was an OLD man in with the wrong YOUNG guy (Mike Tyson)…. HBO would love for the HW Champ to be bankable, but he is NOT (boring fights, boring comp)…

Posted June 5, 2014 4:39 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Anonymous…Anybody and NOBODY AT ALL…..

Posted June 5, 2014 4:02 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

I was watching NBA Playoff classics…Like I said; I have better things to do DICKHEAD….

Posted June 5, 2014 4:01 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

I have better things to STREAM…I guess I’m a racist too because I don’t have any interest in his fights either……..

Posted June 5, 2014 3:55 pm 


TJ

Octavius Jomar Chatman

I agree with you regards Charles Sonny Liston’s jab. it was a weapon of beauty. I say it was second only to Larry’s jab. i would then say Wlad’s is next. Both Wlad and Larry use their jabs as both offensive and defensive weapons and have so many different ways to use it. I can’t remember if it was vs Scott Ledoux, but that was a fight where you saw Larry use his jab as an up jab up on his toes, whipping it in 3, 4 and 5 times in fast flashes.
Liston’s jab could knock you out and he threw it correctly and accurately. It must have been like getting hit with a tree trunk… And then you had the dread that the right hand was gonna come after it!

Slightly off topic, but I remember reading either Ring or KO Magazine around 1983/4 and they rated the best jabs in boxing as Larry Holmes #1 and Tommy Hearns #2

I used to model my own long, snake like jab to the body that Hearns whipped in super fast to the gut….and they knew that right hand was coming super fast right after it!

Posted June 5, 2014 3:30 pm 


SREDMOND

The Povetkin fight pretty much took HBO out of the Klit business for the REST of Wlads career, the only way he gets on PPV or a major push is if he fights Mayweather or Pacquiao…

Posted June 5, 2014 3:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Wlad is dominant but the fact is he is VERY boring and can be overcautious for a man with his physical presence… Add to that the fact that his opponents have not built up any real cred on the planet and you have an avalanche of snorefests that have put the boxing world to sleep for the better part of 10 years..

Posted June 5, 2014 3:28 pm 


ECAT

Ok…I respect your opinion, old guy.

Posted June 5, 2014 3:05 pm 


Anonymous

to right.

Posted June 5, 2014 3:05 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

JJ….If TV ratings have no impact on the strength of the era of a division….Why is it that fighters in the lower divisions IE WW are the ones with the HUGE PPV numbers and are the ones keeping boxing alive right now????? When was the last HUGE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP PPV????? You would have to go back to damn near when Lewis fought Tyson in 2002……That’s 12 YEARS AGO if you need me to do the math….Wladimar and his bro have been so great according to you but none of their fights spark interest……Even when HBO gave him a chance to redeem himself and aired his fight with Povetkin….All he did was HOLD AND WRESTLE and stunk up the joint….Nobody wants to see that crap…..He may hold the Europeans hearts; but he is suppose to be THE WORLD CHAMPION….

Posted June 5, 2014 3:02 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

HBO…AMERICAN RATINGS…I dig…DO YOU…Yes BE GONE…..

Posted June 5, 2014 2:56 pm 


JJ

Octavius, I haven’t got time now to Chat, Man, going out. Talk to ya later!! (Little joke there)…

Posted June 5, 2014 2:44 pm 


JJ

Octavius Jonar Chatman, TV ratings don’t indicate the strength or otherwise of an era. I’ve already stated why I believe that is. Wlad’s fights often lack drama because he is dominating and the best around. Wlad would obviously wish HBO to broadcast his fight with Stiverne as it would be for ALL the belts and he would like as wide an audience as possible when he KO’s the guy! Ya dig?

Posted June 5, 2014 2:42 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

@SREDMOND…..I agree; Steward was a REALIST….He knew the TRUTH….

Posted June 5, 2014 2:37 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

@JJ ….If American ratings don’t have any impact; why is Wladimar trying to get a fight with Stiverne and hoping HBO or someone will pick it up????? I rest my case………

Posted June 5, 2014 2:28 pm 


Anonymous

prime holmes would have knocked wladdy spark out.

Posted June 5, 2014 2:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Wlad vs Wilder? aside from the size of the combatants you have a guy in Wilder who is knocking out a slew of weak foes and really has no World Class chops… I would watch it for free to see Klits likely stop this kid but c’mon he is not on Wlads level..

Posted June 5, 2014 2:12 pm 


SREDMOND

Octaviaus, GREAT point about Stiverne vs Arreola it was nuts someone wrote that a Stiverne vs Wlad bout would be historic! On what basis? Arreola has LOST everytime he stepped up Adamek, Vitali, Stiverne the guy was getting credit for being in shape for fights as opposed to great performances..Yet in this ERA Stiverne vs Arreola is a borderline Superfight which is SAD… Those arguing the WEAKNESS of this ERA have their heads in the sand… Wlads former trainer the Great Emmanuel Steward called it one of the weakest he had ever seen.

Posted June 5, 2014 2:10 pm 


JJ

American TV ratings don’t decide how strong or weak an era is. That’s foolish and blinkered talk. Klitschko isn’t American. Arreola is and Stiverne is North American based. A Wlad-Wilder unification fight would certainly draw big numbers. Wlad’s fights lack drama and excitement because he boxes safety-first and because he’s just too dominant and the best around. Wlad just likes to win. He’s one of the best Champs ever. Holmes is an ATG too.

Posted June 5, 2014 2:08 pm 


old guy

Wladimir, Lewis, Larry, Joe, Foreman.

Posted June 5, 2014 1:45 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

St. Vitus Dance….I agree….Larry was no Ali….I understand some of his frustration…But he was no Ali…No fighter in the history of the sport was…Ali transcended the sport because of his stance….That’s a tough act to follow and few have the courage to do that…..

Posted June 5, 2014 1:32 pm 


old guy

Third best gotta go to Larry Holmes, not Ali! HAHAHA

Posted June 5, 2014 1:30 pm 


St Vitus Dance

Larrys bitterness and timing being in the ‘post Ali era, overshadowed his skill and brilliance as a complete fighter. Losing to a rampaging Tyson in ’88, while 38 rusty, and when Tyson was truly at his peak (and angry at Holmes prefight comments) is of little consequence. Great fighter.

Posted June 5, 2014 1:25 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

A clear sign that this era of Heavyweights is the WEAKEST EVER in history is what just transpired last month….I don’t even consider Stiverne or Arreola the best in the division…and the ratings for their second fight went through the roof….That hasn’t happened in YEARS….

Posted June 5, 2014 1:23 pm 


Yup

Best jab ever: Larry holmes

Posted June 5, 2014 1:16 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

One of the best jabs I ever saw was Sonny Liston’s jab…No disrespect to Wladimar but he did not have the jab that Lewis or Holmes had…And I might add; these guys knew how to fight on the inside and did not have to grapple and hold their opponent to keep them away from them…..Just my thoughts and opinion….

Posted June 5, 2014 1:16 pm 


old guy

best jab ever” – Got to disagree Ecat.
Wladimir’s jab is better than Larry’s. My favorite jabs are Wlad’s and Lewis’ jab, because they snaped it off their shoulder like you snap a towel. Third best gotta go to Ali. No. 4 and 5 is between Louis and Foreman.

Posted June 5, 2014 1:12 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Dre-HOE…The only overrated person in this conversation is You….Somebody forgot to SWALLOW and now we have to deal with you….PITY…..

Posted June 5, 2014 12:58 pm 


SREDMOND

Larry Holmes had one of the GREATEST jabs in boxing history the man could fight and like others have noted he did his business in the 15 round era.. Wlad jab is also a serious hammer but if he had to fight 15 rounds thru his career he would have been TKOed or KOed 10x especially during his first 45 fights which saw him unable to finish 3x… Holmes was stopped once in what 70 fights? by a PRIME Mike Tyson who could PUNCH on his worst day… Trying to knock Larry is pretty indefensible…

Posted June 5, 2014 12:15 pm 


SLIM

@Drejo…If I remember correctly Joe Luis KO’d Max Schmelling in the 1st round. Lol

Posted June 5, 2014 12:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Calling Larry Holmes and Tyson “overrated” is pure comedy BOTH accomplished things that are or historical value… Tyson was the youngest HW Champ in history and he Unfied Divisions like a mad man, Holmes damn near reeled off 49 straight wins and MANY thought he got robbed against Spinks to upend his chance at eclipsing Marciano, that said he had 20 successful defenses… The fact that Eastern Europe could not make inroads into the division during those years is not a reflection on either of these boxers..We now have a TERRIBLE ERA for HW that has seen the glamour division become the dung heap, terrible matchups, top fighters not boxing eachother, manufactured threats, trash rematches and an unprecendented loss of fans at HW…

Posted June 5, 2014 12:11 pm 


TJ

HENRY MILLER

Yes, the 15 round distance certainly separated the men from the boys!

Posted June 5, 2014 11:41 am 


Roman

Holmes is an all-time Top 5 HW.

Posted June 5, 2014 11:21 am 


Quagmire Klitschko

Why doesn’t Holmes like Stallone?

Posted June 5, 2014 11:05 am 


Drejo

Two overrated chumps fighting in an era that there were no Eastern Europeans and they pretty much fought exclusively against fellow African-Americans. The heavyweight scene was a joke back then, just like as it was back in Joe Louis era. A prime Joe Louis lost from a past his prime old German so go figure what a young prime Russian or Ukrainian giant would have done to him.

Posted June 5, 2014 10:13 am 


yo

I grew up loving Larry.

But I have to disagree about his great boxing skills.

Anyone who thinks Larry was this great, slick boxer should watch his fight with Carl Williams.

Carl was a MUCH more talented fighter, and had a better jab too.

He made Larry look crude as a caveman early in the fight.

What won the fight for Larry was his stamina, toughness, and his power in the right hand.

Larry Holmes had no body attack to speak of, no left hook, and a total inability to throw combinations more complex than a basic one-two.

Larry was great because of his size, strength, stamina, intelligence, and toughness.

His repertoire of punches was far more limited than Wlad, Ali, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Louis, Frazier, and even Foreman.

Larry was basically just a jab and a right hand.

But his intelligence allowed him to do amazing things with so little .

Posted June 5, 2014 10:09 am 


juneau

Holmes was certainly one of the greatest HW’s, but I think one of the reasons he didn’t get the recognition he deserved was down to the Ali ‘hangover’ (actually beating Ali the way he did didn’t help either). Ali raised the bar like no other, especially when it came to sheer entertainment and cheek in & out of the ring. Holmes seemed ‘boring’ in comparison, and then a young buck called Tyson came along, thrilling the boxing world in a different manner.

People are always looking for an exciting HW to come along to light up the sport. This is why the KO bro’s get/got so much flak. They’re not terribly interesting to watch, but they could vie in any era.

Posted June 5, 2014 9:48 am 


ECAT

Larry Holmes…a VERY UNDERRATED Champion! Well, I love Larry Holmes… he had the BEST jab ever…a great defense, chin, heart and class! Maybe the best pure boxer ever among HW’s? Holmes would never be an easy fight for ANYONE!

Brilliant defenders have the longest careers… Holmes, FMJ, WK…

Posted June 5, 2014 8:52 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

I’m one of those who feel SAD that the great Larry Holmes had to struggle for his recognition as a top heavyweight boxer.
Even to this day many people refuse to see his talented ring skills and give him his well deserved credit.
Larry Holmes was a well schooled heavyweight boxer with speed, power, good stamina, good chin, balanced footwork and of course his gifted & legendary sharp jab that NO heavyweight boxer have matched before and after his time. Holmes was the undefeated world heavyweight champion for INCREDIBLE 7 years with 20 world title defences.
Clean house !!

Also Larry Holmes have proven to be a great role model for children and young ones.

Posted June 5, 2014 8:44 am 


Anonymous

agree. 15 rounders were the real fighters.

Posted June 5, 2014 8:43 am 


Henry miller

15 rounders.
What a topic deserving of its own thread, or perhaps a long book.
The drama of the last minutes always brought out dangerous drama once fighters reached their extreme fatigue levels. The drama is still there with 12 rounds, but less frequently and with less life changing injuries happening.

Posted June 5, 2014 8:05 am 


Henry miller

Lion
Alas the phenom jack Dempsey, after whom I named my gentle souled son. Two things abt jack would worry me, his size and weight, plus the unevidenced but persistent rumours that our beloved mauling jack was prone to loading up his gloves! Jess Willard was certain all his life that this was the case. I hope to goodness this is not true. But in boxing I’ve learnt not to disbelieve anything!

Posted June 5, 2014 8:01 am 


Henry miller

Dmx
I’d be looking at consistency bringing the winner home in the dreamtime HW super eight. Based on that single criterion, I would be backing one of Louis, Holmes or vlad.

None of them would be undefeated. There is enough shock and awe in your 8 to keep things very interesting, but one of my three would come out with the least losses.

Posted June 5, 2014 7:57 am 


ECAT

Larry Holmes…a VERY UNDERRATED Champion! Well, I love Larry Holmes… he had the BEST jab ever…a great defense, chin, heart and class! Maybe the best pure boxer ever among HW’s? Holmes would never be an easy fight for ANYONE!

Brilliant defenders have the longest careers… Holmes, FMJ, WK…

Posted June 5, 2014 7:42 am 


lion carcus

Dempsey beats them all

Posted June 5, 2014 7:40 am 


TJ

DMX

Wow! What a strong line-up.

My only other suggestions would be 15 rounders
Two subs: Tim Witherspoon and Joe Frazier or the nutcase Oliver McCall.

The tournament to be spread over a year with a straight knockout Quarters, Semis and Finals scenario as opposed to the Round Robin system.

This could be brutal. So many good match ups.

“THE REAL BRAWL FOR IT ALL!”

Posted June 5, 2014 7:00 am 


TJ

HENRY MILLER

Haha! I heard that story quite a few years ago too! I missed it at the time! Just shows what a crazy and sometimes funny world boxing is! Thanks for reminding me about that! Trevor Berbick (RIP).

Posted June 5, 2014 6:54 am 


Anonymous

HENRY MILLER

Haha! I heard that story quite a few years ago too! I missed it at the time! Just shows what a crazy and sometimes funny world boxing is! Thanks for reminding me about that! Trevor Berbick (RIP).

Posted June 5, 2014 6:53 am 


Henry miller

Indeed tj.
I recall with wonder and excitement larry atop a car, then jumping off it and kicking berbick ( I think it was berbick) in the body one day in the street. Those were the days. Larry was the man.

Posted June 5, 2014 6:50 am 


DMX

It would seem Larry Holmes has certainly mellowed with age
He was very critical and bitter of everyone in Boxing after being denied Marciano’s record

Ok
After watching last nights Kiwi Super 8, I pose this question

Larry Holmes
Muhammed Ali
Joe Louis
George Foreman

Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
Vitali Klitschko
Mike Tyson

And the winner is . . . .

Posted June 5, 2014 6:48 am 


TJ

HENRY MILLER

Larry proved how good he was by picking himself up, dusting himself down and fighting on until his fifties against the best guys of another era and generally holding his own with them, proving he would have been a handful whether in the eras of Johnson, Louis, Marciano or any one we care to pick!

Posted June 5, 2014 6:30 am 


TJ

DMX

Yep! Larry was winding up a right uppercut, he believed TYSON was a sucker for, but didn’t realise how close to the ropes he was. It was weird watching the realisation from Larry that he was trapped, tangled up in the ropes, like a dear in the headlights and open to Mike’s finishing punches.

We will never know what would have happened if Larry had landed his whipping uppercut. Perhaps, Mike would still have run through him? Nobody knows. However, Larry fought on for many, many years after and beat a few decent guys and I believe that was his only stoppage loss!

Larry also says that he was duped by Don King as to when he was to fight Mike. He was under the impression he’d have 6 months to prepare, but had only 2 months as King moved the date (allegedly)… I believe Larry talked about this on Sky Sports Ringside Special, so someone like Mick The Marmalizer can confirm this!

Posted June 5, 2014 6:28 am 


Henry miller

Two great men. Larry was the Lewis and the K brothers before they were what they were. Under rated and dissed for the state of opponents. Reality however is that larry was a fantastic champion a real mean man with a jab to die for.

Posted June 5, 2014 6:26 am 


Xavier

I remember their fight. Everyone really knew young ferocious Mike would catch up to Larry at some stage…young Mike Tyson was a phenom. I rate Larry Holmes highly though. One of my top three ever heavyweights, H2H and his overall career, I think.

Posted June 5, 2014 6:24 am 


DMX

Remember poor old Larry getting tangled up in the ropes and put to sleep
What a way to go out . . .

Posted June 5, 2014 5:35 am 



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