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Anonymous

don’t be fooled, it was a potshot at your friend. Believe me.

Posted June 24, 2014 10:25 am 


Anonymous

hamburg by-the-way we are almost ‘neighbors’. I am from Malmö……….. lol

Posted June 24, 2014 2:09 am 


TheGateKeeper

Haye vs Chisora went four rounds and was one sided. How is that a good fight?

Potevkin vs Charr was a one sided mismatch .

Using your logic Cunningham vs Haye is a cruiserweight ( one with NO heavyweight record at all ) vs a new breed of giant ( Fury is on Buddy Baer’s level in reality ) yet you claim its “a good fight “.

Denial is not a river ….

Posted June 23, 2014 9:59 pm 


TheGateKeeper

So Tark selects three fights post Manilla to claim Ali was boring and one is Jimmy Young.
I have never seen any so called boxer-mover — thinking style fighters that havent been in a boring fight if they didnt match up stylistically against their opponent.

Look at say Vitali vs Byrd . Boring. Wlad vs Haye . Boring. Ali vs Mathis .Boring. Lewis vs Holyfield , both were dull fights.

Young only fought one good fight and that was against Foreman who is so inept defensively yet so threatening and dangerous that even Young couldnt help but be entertaining.

Wladimir vs Potekvin was a typical fight between two defensively minded fighters and it stunk except for the rounds when Wlad hurt Pov.

It takes the right style to look at ones best. Compare Clay vs Williams or Terrell to Clay vs Chuvalo for example. Ditto Wlad vs Leapai or Wlad vs Haye.

Your arguments wouldnt stand up in a court of law Tark and you would be barred from jury duty if it involved certain fighters. Bias is bias.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:55 pm 


Hamburg

Anonymous

Its ok ! i didn’t know about that potshot thing. Peace !

Hafidh

Posted June 23, 2014 7:02 pm 


TARK

@ Bill Patrice Jones.., Many of Ali’s heavyweight fights were horrible… Evangelista… Lubbers… Mathis… Mac Foster… Bugner… Young… Coopman

Many today’s heavyweight fights are terrific.

Perez-Takam was a good fight… Perez-Abdusalamov was good… Fury-Cunningham was good… Glazkov-Adamek was good viewing… Both Stiverne-Arreloa fights were entertaining… Jenning-Szpilka was a good fight… Cunningham-Mansour was a good fight… Haye-Chisora was a good fight… Povetkin-Charr was a terrific fight.

That’s 10 recent entertaining heavyweight fights off the top of my head…

Look at the flyweight division… the lightweight division… or the cruiserweight division. I can’t come up with 10 in those classes… Maybe 5 or 6 in recent years each.

Wladimir was involved in exciting fights before he became super dominant 7 or 8 years ago. His first fight with Sam Peter had drama because of all the knockdowns. He was just getting ramped up with Steward … and now that type of drama does not happen anymore.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:23 pm 


Bill Patrice Jones

Povetkin vs chagaev might have been a decent fight that was probably a bad example, but when my company travels to America and I ever request putting a HW fight on in a bar you better believe I’mridiculed and vilified in no time at all for what they think is the garbage I’ve requested. When I was in Seatlle as a student and requested the Pavlik Taylor rematch be put on in a bar there were no complaints. There are an astounding number of heavyweight bouts now which people find literally unwatchable. You’re preaching to the converted in the sense that I love, always have, and always will heavyweight boxing but there is a serious stylistic/standard problem

Posted June 23, 2014 9:19 am 


Anonymous

Fake TARK

and “TARK says to Bill Patrice,
‘They’re not any bigger than they were 50 years ago.’
that was a potshot to ecat………” was me. he loves potshots. ask sredmond, mongrel, old yank,……………i’m tired of that.

Posted June 22, 2014 7:03 pm 


boxing fan

“I criticized esb harsh for all the racist posts”

this is putting it mildly. lol

Posted June 22, 2014 4:40 pm 


Hamburg

I assume FAKE TARK was stupid troll Anonymous.

At least all posts of troll Anonymous are deleted too. Looks like he got banned. Good.

Posted June 22, 2014 2:31 pm 


Hamburg

Had a debate here on esb with a troll Anonymous from boxingnews about racism today.

I criticized esb harsh for all the racist posts and now all my posts are deleted, even my harmless posts

“ I live in Hamburg, i’m happily married to a white woman
and we had never experienced any real racism. Gratful for that. “

“ Muhammad Ali was an amazing athlete, he made boxing the huge world sport it is today!
The best performance of Muhammad was against George Foreman. “

i am done with this site.

Hafidh

Posted June 22, 2014 2:27 pm 


Hamburg

Had a debate with a troll Anonymous from boxing news about racism today.

I criticized this site harsh for all the racist posts and now all my posts are deleted, even my harmless posts

“ I live in Hamburg, i’m happily married to a white woman
and we had never experienced any real racism. Gratful for that. “

“ Muhammad Ali was an amazing athlete, he made boxing the huge world sport it is today!
The best performance of Muhammad was against George Foreman. “

At least the posts of troll Anonymous are deleted too. Looks like he got banned. Good.

However , i am done with this site.
Hafidh

Posted June 22, 2014 2:22 pm 


LOL

the average american weighs 184 pounds,and thats just the women.

Posted June 22, 2014 5:43 am 


TARK

The population triples from 2.3 billion to 7 billion — and you get 3 X as many really tall people as well… We don’t have 3 X as many basketball teams — so you have more tall guys on each team — and maybe better recuiting because opportunity, information, communication, and travel are so much more enhanced.

It seems like we’re producing an astounding number of giants — when it’s more like we’re producing an astounding number of people on the planet.

Posted June 22, 2014 2:25 am 


turbo hamster on tequila

It’s not evolution There are not the selection pressures to make growth anevolutionary advantage any more.

But sizeand health are affected by nutrition, training, disease, especially in childhood.

The mean height had been increasing year on year for ages. That takesinto account population size, so it isn’t just an extended bell curve.

Posted June 22, 2014 1:26 am 


TARK

The human race doesn’t evolve into much bigger individuals in a generation… Early athletic training now makes bigger guys much more coordinated than in the past… More people are getting involved with athletics and the population has exploded … so there’s going to be many more big tall people as well as people of any size.

Great nutrition does make people bigger. To the extent people are well nourished they’re going to be bigger and taller as well.

Posted June 21, 2014 10:35 pm 


TARK

Anonymous says.., “TARK says to Bill Patrice,

‘ They’re not any bigger than they were 50 years ago.’”

I said that about TENNIS PLAYERS… Tennis player aren’t going to be 7’7″ by 2035 like Patrice said.

Tennis Champions aren’t bigger than they were 50 years ago.

Heavyweight boxers obviously are — but Patrice doesn’t understand either sport.

Posted June 21, 2014 10:28 pm 


turbo hamster on tequila

If you look at historic statistics and demographics in developed countries,people ARE getting bigger, though malnutrition in war or post war periods can skew it, as can disease prevalence.

People just need to accept that a lot of the older hws would be trash cws today. Norton, shavers, Frazier, foreman, Patterson, liston – these guys would have been spanked by Lewis or a k-bro.

Posted June 21, 2014 6:18 pm 


Anonymous

FAKE TARK again, boring ass bastard

Posted June 21, 2014 4:58 pm 


D

you could buy a fleet of 300 new taxis for what these guys are making in one night. how many could you buy stupid?

Posted June 21, 2014 4:56 pm 


Anonymous

roll on the next hw cab driver.

Posted June 21, 2014 4:47 pm 


TARK

Below is FAKE TARK again.

Posted June 21, 2014 4:39 pm 


Anonymous

VALUEV. OH PLEASE NO MORE.

Posted June 21, 2014 4:12 pm 


dino

Wlad is The Champ today. 95 belts? Klitschko got 94 of them, LOL! That’s how dominant he is….Larry Holmes didn’t unify any. As for Muhammad Ali, Ali was a great boxer in his prime. Olympic gold medal at 18, fought everyone, gave us drama, lost three of his best years, but…he gets a free pass from a lot of people who remember the stunts and the chat and the charisma, but forget all the no-hopers he took on as well. Ken Norton gave him hell in 3 fights and won at least two of them. Ali was a great champ, easily one of the best HW champs ever, just a tad over rated as a boxer in all honesty…

Posted June 21, 2014 3:26 pm 


TARK

Chagaev wouldn’t beat Ali, but before he contracted hepatitis he would have.

He certainly hasn’t been 50% since. Before he became ill he was the first fighter to beat the giant Nicolai Valuev and he did an energetic job of boxing, moving, and hard flurries for 12 rounds. David Haye said that was his blueprint – and Haye beefed up to 220 for the giant.

Chagaev was an undefeated World Champion when he fought Wladimir, but his hepatitis was well established. There was a risk for Wladimir – like playing basketball with Magic Johnson. Lots of cuts and bleeding happen in both sports and there’s a certain danger.

Valuev refused to fight Chagaev just before their rematch, when informed of RC’s hepatitis… The big chicken also refused to fight the K’s throughout his career.

Posted June 21, 2014 3:25 pm 


Anonymous

and 95 belts.

Posted June 21, 2014 3:05 pm 


TARK

Bill Patrice Jones says.., “In 2035 there might be 7ft 7 tennis players who are literally unbreakable at the net.”

That is absolutely pathetic BPJ.. Were not going to have giant tennis player in less than a generation. They’re not any bigger than they were 50 years ago.

The human race isn’t bigger. There’s twice and many people on the planet so there are more big men, small men, whatever… We now have minimum weight, light flyweight etc. to accomodate more professional boxers.

Posted June 21, 2014 2:51 pm 


laj

While I can agree that Chambers stopped moving after he got nailed hard in the 2nd round I certainly have issues with Bill Jones on the Povetkin and Chagaev fight. I grew up during the 70′s and there are few if any (I can’t name any) fighters that could throw the combination Pov did in the Charr fight. It was sick, fast and accurate. The reason the western people don’t like it is most likely they never even got the chance to see it. The networks simply don’t show the fights, and most of them are Europeans in Eurpoe. Americans don’t watch tennis the way they used to either for the same reason. Povetkin and Chagaev fought a good technical fight, with good footwork and it was better than many of the Ali hugfests. So maybe Chambers was a bad example, but Povetkin and Chagaev was an even worse example.

Posted June 21, 2014 12:06 pm 


Anonymous

its a good job we only have 26 letters in the alphabet otherwise we would have more of these hw clowns. BERT SUGAR 2007.

Posted June 21, 2014 9:36 am 


Anonymous

is that why the slow bums could never do 15 rounds.

Posted June 21, 2014 9:24 am 


anonymous

Bill Patrice; Chagaev would dominate Ali so would most of Wlads opponents. Standard is so much higher now. Facts are facts. Faster stronger harder punching and bigger you do the math

Posted June 21, 2014 8:44 am 


turbo hamster on tequila

Tark there was no short count in the scott fight you senile fruit. Read the British boxing board of control rules.

Posted June 21, 2014 5:00 am 


Bill Patrice Jones

I really don’t think it’s wise to talk about fighters like Eddie Chambers to demonstrate Wladimir’s speed. He has astounding footwork for such a big man, but that’s not relative to fighters of a smaller size. Chambers was dead and totally flat footed from the 2nd round on. He just lay on the ropes, no stamina and no movement. I don’t think it can all be nostalgia when it comes to 1970s heavyweights. People are impressed by what they see with their eyes, and when the average western fan watches the average heavyweight fight they just aren’t impressed. They look too slow, too heavy and just don’t excite. You put on someone like Haye people notice how good he is. You put on a fight between Ustinov and Pulev, or Povetkin and Chagaev people don’t say it looks crap because they are part of an international agenda to discredit modern HW boxing, they just think it looks awful because it does. Obviously the size difference with modern heavyweights makes it very hard to make a case for them losing to 1970s heavyweights, but sport is about athleticism excitement and drama. Heavyweight boxing was simply better in all of those categories back then. In 2035 there might be 7ft 7 tennis players who are literally unbreakable at the net. You wouldn’t turn around and start talking about how Federer and Nadal wouldn’t stand a chance against them would you? Lewis and the K bros are the exception not the rule. Most truly big men are not athletic

Posted June 21, 2014 4:45 am 


D

there are some utterly stupid people around here, many who post anonymously, who have nothing but nonsense and sheer stupidity to contribute.

Posted June 21, 2014 2:42 am 


Pratt

If Wilder wants a match with Wladimir, he has to be very careful with his pick of a next opponent. If he chooses Pulev, Pulev will beat him, if he chooses Fury, Fury may beat him, if he chooses Haye, Haye will beat him. Jury is out on Wilder.

Posted June 21, 2014 1:42 am 


TARK

Hell.. 36 is not that old if an athlete keeps himself in shape and pays attention to his craft.. Archie Moore didn’t win a world title until he was older than that..

So talking about Ali’s fight with neophyte Leon Spinks, who only had 6 wins as a pro, and only weighed 197 pounds, isn’t that outrageous.

I’m sure if Wladimir loses to an undefeated savage puncher like Deontay Wilder at age 39, Klitschko haters will jump all over his case like raving maniacs.

Posted June 20, 2014 11:22 pm 


TARK

GateKeeper.., You’re also a brainless moron… You’re giving Ali a pass for all his losses.. Wladimir is 38 years old and still going strong because he is attentive to his craft and keeps getting better.

Ali WASN’T… Ali wasn’t old at 31… That’s when Ken Norton beat the crap out him… Ali wasn’t old at 29… And that’s when little, short, chubby 205-pound Joe Frazier easily cut the ring off on him and beat the piss out of him.

When Frazier fought a big, tall, strong 6’3″ X 217-pound guy like George Foreman he got dribbled around like a basketball and murdered.

He’s the only punching bag I’ve ever seen that had ears.

Posted June 20, 2014 11:10 pm 


LAJ

Gatekeeper I am not sure which fights you were watching Wlad had excellent footwork against Pov and Haye. Against Peter it was also good. You must be watching different fights than I did. Against Sanders and the first Brewster fight it was shakey.

Posted June 20, 2014 10:46 pm 


TARK

Ken Norton Jr never would have been a boxer at any time. His father didn’t want him to be because he knew how dangerous it is to be knocked out so many times as Norton was.

The US Government never funded amateur boxing any better than they do now… There are 4 times as many professional boxers world wide right now than there was in the 60′s and 70′s… and there were also 4 times as many boxers in the 1930′s when Boxing was booming… In the In the 50′s, 60′s, and 70′s everybody was talking about how Boxing was dying.

Cassius Clay.., “The fight game is dying…Promoters are crying… For somebody to come along… with a new and different song.”

Today Boxing is booming on a global scale.

Posted June 20, 2014 10:46 pm 


TARK

@ TheGateKeeper.., Anybody can dance around and look pretty against an old man like Liston, a super slow guy like Chuvalo, or a stick in the mud like Terrell – who even Thad Spencer beat the shlt out of.

Against younger and faster guys like Cooper, Mildenberger, and Doug Jones, Ali got hit with hard shots because they were sharper punchers.

There just wasn’t anybody of Ali’s size in the 60′s who could box or fight… All the heavyweights were terrible.

In the 70′s some half-assed heavyweights finally came along and beat the crap out of Ali… Guys like Frazier, Norton, and Holmes weren’t around in the 60′s.

Holmes was actually the only really good boxer Ali’s height and weight who Ali ever fought… Norton got knocked out by every hard puncher he ever faced… He couldn’t defend.

Don’t talk about Wladimir’s fights before he hired Emmanuel Steward because he admits he was a supremely flawed boxer until after he was with Steward for 2 or 3 fights.

Posted June 20, 2014 10:30 pm 


D

right now it’s reversed. eastern europe wins a lot of medals and the usa none. pro boxing helps the amateurs programs gear up like crazy.

smoking joe’s medal opponent was from germany, losing on a 3-2 decision but it doesn’t matter. eastern europe didn’t have great amateur programs until their pro programs started ramping up with the demise of communism. cuban fighters have monetary incentives—and they can always ditch cuba, which dozens of the best have done.

amateurs do better with a monetary incentive, and the amateur programs feed off the pro programs. lots of sparring between amateurs and pros, and trainers who train both. so the money the pros bring in helps the amateurs flourish

Posted June 20, 2014 10:18 pm 


LAJ

Actually I do believe Ali had fast feet, what he had was very slow reflexes, two different things. H e couod lind the punches and dance away, but nto avoid punches. He was hit easily with any left hook thrown his way. Wlad and Vitali both have much better reflexes and better balance with their feet, but nto as fast.

Posted June 20, 2014 9:09 pm 


TheGateKeeper

Watch the first Sonny Liston , Chuvalo and Terrell fights again Tark .

Muhammad moved pretty well ;) .

Another modern myth is the so called superiority of the new former Eastern Bloc heavyweights.

If these guys were so good why the fukc couldnt they win the olympic heavyweight title between 1956 and 1980.

They were grown men fighting up n comers yet they couldnt win ONE olympic title between 1956 and 1980.

The Cuban Teo Stevenson kept beating them.

Wladimir is an exception not the rule . He , Potevkin and Chagaev are the ONLY soviet – Ukraine fighters to win a heavyweight – Super heavyweight title at the olympics in the 1956-2012 era . Its not a coincidence that all of those guys emerged post the end of the cold war . The US government stopped funding amateur boxing programs in the 1990s. That combined with the emergence of American Football and Basketball as sports that drained most of the best heavyweight athletes in America away from boxing ensured A . Better results for the east European fighters B. A lack of world class American heavyweight fighters.

Ken Norton sr would never have fought if he was born in say 1980. His son Ken jr was a better athlete than his father , he would have been a boxer if he was born in the 1940s instead of being a champion football player .

Posted June 20, 2014 8:52 pm 


TheGateKeeper

What kind of idiot would use the Leon Spinks fight in 1978 , a full 14 years after Ali won the heavyweight title as an example of a fight that showed “he didnt have fast feet “.

An idiot like ole Tarky. The guy is punchy.

Posted June 20, 2014 8:36 pm 


TheGateKeeper

Ali fought Young post Manilla Tark . He wasnt the same fighter.

Ali beat Liston in february 1964 , he fought Young in 1976. That is 12 years later. Its like hammering Joe Louis for losing to Charles , Walcott and Marciano . The Walcott fight was 11 years after Louis had defeated Braddock for the title.

Your use of semantics is ridiculous. Its palpably obvious the way you ignore Alis title reign in the 60s while concentrating on his fights from 1976 onwards.

I would never dispute Wlads professionalism , his size or his great career but the guy has some big flaws as a fighter.

I one could combine Vitalis chin , poise , stamina and ability to think on his feet with Wlad’s speed , power and his ramrod
jab then you probably would have the greatest heavyweight of all time . The problem is the Kbros are two guys , not one .

Chris Byrd actually stopped Vitali by the way .

Posted June 20, 2014 7:36 pm 


TheGateKeeper

Wladimir’s footwork is great when he has someone stuck on the end of his jab Tark. He cant actually fight going backwards.

His footwork looked terrible against Peter, Potevkin , Haye and Sanders .

Posted June 20, 2014 7:28 pm 


TheGateKeeper

The mental pygmy Tark doesnt seem to understand that for the majority of the 70s there was only one heavyweight champion , unlike today in which their is the possibility of 4-5 .

Contenders in the 1946-1978 era actually fought each other instead of racking up unbeaten records like say Malik Scott.

Nowadays the so called top ten is full of guys who accumulate 25-0 unbeaten records while never facing an actual live opponent.

I will give you an example Tark. Mike Weaver had an absolutely crappy record when he fought Larry Holmes for the first time but he was a tough , hardened fighter who knew what to do when things werent going his way.

Compare him to Deontay Wilder. In the 70s Deontay wouldnt be rated yet as he hasnt faced a live opponent. I would compare him to the Shavers of 73 or say Jeff Merritt.

Nowadays he is the number one contender apart from Pulev who has also NEVER faced a live top ten opponent and who is also in his 30s.

These modern heavys are so inexperienced as far as fighting guys who can hurt- defeat them and get all kinds of bad habits from being spoon fed bums. Look at what happened to Arreola when he faced the battle hardened Adamek.

There is a reason there are so few actual technical boxers these days. Its a lost art. Look at the Prov – Algieri fight for example. Algieri is a novice yet is more skilled than most modern fighters.

Posted June 20, 2014 7:26 pm 


TARK

Bill Patrice Jones.., “Not one heavyweight today has foot speed even remotely close to that of a prime Ali.”

LMFAO… Ali wasn’t that fast.. Norton ran Ali down and beat the fuk out of him.

Even slow-assed neophyte Leon Spinks out-maneuvered Ali with ease.

Do me a favor. Go on YouTube. Watch Wladimir Klitschko speed around, catch up to, and smash fleet footed Fast Eddie Chambers.. You’ve never seen a fleeter footed heavyweight in your life than Wladimir was for that fight.

Then watch Ali try to fight the slick Jimmy Young… Ali was slow as a tortoise. He wasn’t fast enough to make Young miss. Wladimir made Fast Eddie Chambers miss all night.

Anybody can dance around like an idiot if they’re facing a completely destroyed fighter like Cleveland Williams. That’s the only fight hype artists always point to—but after that gunshot wound destroyed William’s liver and pancreas he couldn’t fight a lick.

Ali’s previous fight with small, short, clumsy, stiff, and slow Karl Mildenberger offers clues.. as do his fights with Henry Cooper. Cooper weighed only 185 but had to problem cutting the ring off and hitting Ali.

Mildenberger caught Ali with a lot of punches. He only lost because he was a lot smaller and lighter.. Karl ran Ali down and bipped him a lot.. so did Henry Cooper… Deontay Wilder is much faster with more deadly. Those super small heavyweights would last 30 seconds.

Posted June 20, 2014 7:16 pm 


TARK

@Bill Patrice Jones.., That’s WEIRD… Because I talked to some of those same guys … and they said Foreman was a much harder puncher than Shavers.

And it makes sense… George was much bigger and stronger. I don’t think Shavers could have handled Frazier like a toy … and squashed him like a grape.

Larry Holmes says what will build Larry Holmes up. He beat Shavers twice and took Shavers best shots. Tyson smashed him… Who’s Larry going to hype??? The guy he beat — or the guy who flattened him??? Use your common sense… For as long as I’ve been talking to fighters — they always say somebody they beat was better and tougher than somebody who clobbered them.

Tyson crushed Holmes — the ONLY time Larry EVER got stopped in his LIFE!!!! … Shavers couldn’t hurt Larry with the hardest punches he threw.

Believe your eyes … NOT BS!!!!

Posted June 20, 2014 6:45 pm 


belly

this is a greater era than shavers, he would not be able to last 2 rounds against vlad or vitali.

Posted June 20, 2014 6:17 pm 


Bill Patrice Jones

Tark also remember that; Muhammed Ali, Larry Holmes, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle and multiple others all said Shavers was by far the hardest puncher they ever faced. He lacked finishing skills, never obeyed a strict fight plan, and could tire with a questionable chin, but we don’t know any of those intangibles about Wilder yet either. Larry Holmes said that Shavers was a much harder puncher than prime Mike Tyson and he took flush shots from both.

Posted June 20, 2014 6:14 pm 


belly

fury will defeat wilder by ko and then he will defeat haye

Posted June 20, 2014 6:11 pm 


Bill Patrice Jones

Tark I don’t underrate Wilder’s power. I think his power is historically awesome. However, so was Shavers. Ask ANY top heavyweight who sparred with Shavers or fought him in a fight long enough to taste a punch? They are unanimous as to the freakish nature of Shaver’s power. Him and Wilder are similar. However, your trying to sell that the heavyweights of today are superior to the heavyweights of the 1970s is just flat out nonsense. The only reason Haye moved up was by his own admission because he realized how slow and lousy the majority of the top ten was. Not one heavyweight today has foot speed even remotely close to that of a prime Ali.

Posted June 20, 2014 6:06 pm 


TARK

Bill Patrice Jones.., GTFO with Ernie Shavers man.. He didn’t have amazing power. The bum got KO’d in one round by 190lb Jerry Quarry.

Shavers caught Ron Lyle and Larry Holmes with his best possible swings — and they still got up and beat the living shlt out of him … and knocked him fukin’ Coo Coo.

Shavers had such a weak chin he’d be a 30 second job for Deontay Wilder.

How many guys flattened Malik Scott and Sergie Liakhovich with the 1st punch they threw??? Those guys were 6’4″ and 6’3″ X 235lbs.

And if you tell me they were washed up??? … 90% of Shavers KO victims were 10 times worse than the top guys Deontay KO’d.. Liakhovich went 9 rounds with Jennings.

Scott drew with Glazkov and was beating Chisora on points when he got short counted after getting hit with a rabbit punch in England.

Posted June 20, 2014 5:37 pm 


Anonymous

both are c level idiots.

Posted June 20, 2014 5:04 pm 


Bill Patrice Jones

Tark. Shavers may have been knocked out but he was probably the hardest punching heavyweight of all time, at least top 5. If Deontay Wilder can rise this high based solely on his power where do you think Shavers would be today? Heavyweights today fight about a third less frequently at least than modern heavyweights. Therefore the records resemble that. 4-5 losses for top contenders was not uncommon. Fighters today are lucky if they box 3 times a year. Ali did fight a large number of inept challengers, as do most long reigning champions. He also beat; Fraizer, Foreman, Lyle, Shavers, and most importantly stopped Sonny Liston. As Larry Holmes said ‘if you were a step slower than him he would beat you up.’ Ali had utterly awesome foot speed, and excellent hand speed. The Klitschko brothers aside I think he comfortably dominates every one else in the top ten unless he is facing a truly monstrous size differential.

Posted June 20, 2014 5:00 pm 


CRAPPER

@JOE 712,TALKING OF SH!T,SOUNDS LIKE YOUR KNAPPIES LOADED AGAIN,YOU SKID MARK

Posted June 20, 2014 4:53 pm 


crispy bacons best

F~k of of Anonymous you slap head slut

Posted June 20, 2014 4:50 pm 


Anonymous

Typical sour grapes comment from a biased American

Posted June 20, 2014 3:47 pm 


Anonymous

heavyweight boxing has been a joke for the last ten years.

Posted June 20, 2014 3:29 pm 


TARK

Bill Patrice Jones claims.., “The fact is Ali fought and won in an infinitely tougher era than the modern one. When fighters like Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle don’t win championships you know the standard is high.”

LMFAO… Shavers was KO’d by inept swingers like Stander, Cobb, and Mercado… Don’t joke around.

I suppose you think undefeated Heavyweight Contenders, such as Pulev… Wilder… Jennings… Fury… and Glazkov, would have any trouble with the punching bag types who Ali fought, such as: Evangelista… Coopman… London… Dunn… Lubbers… and Wepner.

Actually, I don’t think you’re an idiot, so I don’t think even you believe that… You’re just extremely biased and making stupid arguments.

Those soft, pasty bums would never get a title shot today… Ali made a career out of fighting those types of bums and he still lost 5 times.

Posted June 20, 2014 3:01 pm 


Tachyon

And this article is pathetic Fury heavy weight destroyer? what a joke only thing Fury can do is beat up a microphone and turn over a table at the press conference making it interesting but in the rings he looks like and old boot.

Posted June 20, 2014 2:02 pm 


Tachyon

Haye is no Ali period. As for Fury Chisora will beat him easily want even be a contest.

Posted June 20, 2014 1:59 pm 


JOE 712

IF TYSON FURY EVER DOES BECOME CHAMPION THEN WE KNOW THE SPORT OF BOXING HAS TURN TO ” S.H.I.T.

Posted June 20, 2014 1:58 pm 


moonshineman

I don’t think Chisora is human.

Posted June 20, 2014 12:26 pm 


SREDMOND

NO one with any proportion about boxing is going to really compare the HW stature of Ali with that of David Haye…Its not clever, its not insightful its just BS…

Posted June 20, 2014 12:23 pm 


wes

ali was somewhere in the top 3 of all time. and to say haye is better would make haye in the top 2. that real crazy for anybody to say.ali best days was before the first frazier fight. after 3 and half ali was never the same.

Posted June 20, 2014 12:07 pm 


Builders bum

BREAKING NEWS!!Anonymous has come out of the closset!!!he is wedding slim sh!tman

Posted June 20, 2014 11:49 am 


Builders bum

F~k of eric you little squirt

Posted June 20, 2014 11:45 am 


Brandon

If Fury ever is champion, he’ll fizzle out faster than Riddick Bowe….Because if there’s one thing I’ve learned over decades of watching boxing it’s that you can’t teach dedication; it must come from within. And I’m sorry Fury fans, but Tyson doesn’t have it. He’s not a guy who’s gonna get up at 4:30 AM and do roadwork to stay one step ahead. He’s not a guy who gonna prepare for every fight like it’s the test of his life. He’s not a guy who has the inner passion to actually be a world champion, rather than a title holder who enjoys the perks of being champ. In short, I see the talent, but not the fire.

Posted June 20, 2014 9:46 am 


Anonymous

haye is a complete joke to the sport of boxing. period.

Posted June 20, 2014 9:25 am 


ECAT

Yes I said “Haye lacks heart, yes, but his skills are superior!”

NOT

“Haye has “superior skills” than Ali!”

There’s a difference.

Posted June 20, 2014 9:04 am 


Anonymous

david toe haye beats frazier and foreman lol

Posted June 20, 2014 8:47 am 


ECAT IS A HYPOCRITE

STOP LYING ECAT!!!!!!!

Posted June 20, 2014 7:53 am 


RAYGORDON REID

fury

Posted June 20, 2014 7:02 am 


Líl Bear

ECAT
WHAT!?!; Tony1244 you are ignorant fools! Haye lacks heart, yes, but his skills are superior!
Posted June 18, 2014 6:23 pm

So you did say that Hayes skills are superior. What a liar and a mental midget. Ali beats Haye any day in any era.

Posted June 20, 2014 6:24 am 


Bill Patrice Jones

The fact is Ali fought and won in an infinitely tougher era than the modern one. When fighters like Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle don’t win championships you know the standard is high. People fought more often, the sport was regrettably more rugged. I’m glad boxing is not like that anymore, those fighters are nearly all damaged beyond repair. That being said today’s heavyweights would feel the difference in standard. David Haye was a superb fighter who I feel never fulfilled his potential and was a let down at heavyweight. He beat Valuev by no greater margin than a nevada suspended 45 year old Holyfield did. If Haye had gone for it against Valuev he could have dominated and stopped him which is what Freddie Roach, Emmanuel Steward, Angelo Dundee and others all predicted him to do. He wanted things his own way too much. He didn’t season or test himself before taking a monstrous step up in class against Wladimir. He failed to see the difference between his fighting Audley Harrison and Wladimir’s defence against an in shape motivated Sam Peter at the same time in 2010. He deluded himself too much. If he’d taken the Holyfield route he would have had such a different career by now.

Posted June 20, 2014 3:39 am 


eric

Hope fury doesn’t ko himself.

Posted June 19, 2014 6:42 pm 


Luis Suarez

I agree, mucho agree, senors!

Posted June 19, 2014 6:31 pm 


World Cup Uruguay 2 England 1

Fury TKO Del Boy.

Posted June 19, 2014 6:30 pm 


Anonymous

look at the great fighters wladdy has fought. david toe haye and,wait

Posted June 19, 2014 6:26 pm 


turbo hamster in gangnam

People really get fooled by the us media.

That is what America is really best at hype and bull

Posted June 19, 2014 5:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Marquez KNOCKED Pacquiao cold why don’t we just call him “the best” since you are using a win over Pac Man as the yardstick for that title..?

Posted June 19, 2014 4:47 pm 


Anonymouse

No way is Duckweather the best fighter he ducks PAC man until he fights him and wins then he’ll never been seen as the best.

Posted June 19, 2014 4:21 pm 


Anonymous

s red….i can dig that, i love the sport, and can’t respect opinions that have no basis…..fact is very hard to contradict and some people still insist…..

Posted June 19, 2014 3:48 pm 


belly

fury is a future hall of famer, he will defeat chisora and then he will defeat Joshua and wilder.

Posted June 19, 2014 3:46 pm 


SREDMOND

Anon, I have big respect for both Ali and Mayweather unlike this fiendish DOG “Tark”

Posted June 19, 2014 3:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Yeah Tark after 18 years 22 World Title fights 5 weight classes and 4 lineal Championships winning two fights where NOT a single card was lost (Cotto and Maidana) that shows “a master boxer could beat Mayweather” hmmmmmm anyone can get beaten on a given night but the FACT is that NO ONE beat Mayweather… Cotto is a 4 weight Champion and HOFer he is nobodys “chump” and the schedule he fought was ROUGH yet a 35 year old Floyd beat him at a weight he was never defeated at 154 and did it with jail hanging over his head… You consider Kell Brook, Lara, and Porter master boxers meanwhile few agree with you on that point… The guys who try to stand in the middle and outthink Floyd make the easiest opponents as opposed to an unorthodox attack like Maidana or Cotto’s championship level Boxer/Puncher Game plan… NEITHER man prevailed because FMJ has WAY more intangibles than any of these guys…

Posted June 19, 2014 3:33 pm 


jacob

Foremen was drugged and the ropes were manipulated versus Cassius Clay. True

Posted June 19, 2014 3:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, in the last 4 rounds Mayweather was stepping it up on Maidana who was slowing and taking CLEAN headshots.. Against Cotto he almost put Miguel on his face… MEANWHILE you BUMS are making excuse for Wlad not being able to do 6 rounds against Brewster back in the day while Holmes and a 35 year old Norton were banging away back in the day for 15 rounds… Floyds stamina is KNOWN to be exceptional its one of the edges he has on his opposition Manny Steward said it all the time “He has Great eyes and you cannot get tired in the ring with him”

Posted June 19, 2014 3:26 pm 


Anonymous

Tark i saw all of Ali’s fights even Cassius Clay”s fights, he fought all over the world and gave many fighters a chance to make money, besides those you mentioned he also fought all the top contenders of his era, all of them, not just the one’s you mentioned……so take your bias down the road

Posted June 19, 2014 3:20 pm 


Anonymouse

ECAT is e well known Ali h@ter

Sracemond e well known klitchko h@ter

Mongrel e well known Cotto H@ter

they are h@ters for years now but still not banned

Posted June 19, 2014 3:17 pm 


maxmus

how come on an article about fury – chisora we get showered with a plethora of comments concerning ali – mayweather – haye et al?? can’t you guys say something at least vaguely relating to this upcoming fight..??

Posted June 19, 2014 3:05 pm 


TARK

Anonymous says.., “Ali could have boxed his way to many more decisions but he chose to take risks and paid for it.”

You obviously didn’t see Ali’s fights with Alfredo Evangelista… Buster Mathis… Ruddi Lubbers… Joe Bugner… or Mac Foster.

Johnny Carson.., “This just hot off the news wires folks.., “Muhammad Ali and Alredo Evangelista just won the Nobel Peace Prize … for promoting non-violence in Boxing.”

Posted June 19, 2014 2:58 pm 


TARK

“Floyd Mayweather could box 15 rounds with his eyes closed”

Actually Floyd has a rough time going 12 with his eyes wide open with Marcos.

It was Floyd’s 2nd exciting fight. First one was Cotto. A few deluded fans thought Cotto beat Floyd. They were pissed off at the decision. “It’s all fixed.” If you draw a lot of blood some people think, “It’s a fight. The guy who’s bleeding must be the guy who’s losing.”

Anyway.., Those 2 fights show that a master boxer could possibly beat Floyd — not just on two of the score cards or in the minds of a minority of fans — but REALLY beat him.

As fans, our mission is to get an opponent in there who can kick ass on the GOAT.

Posted June 19, 2014 2:39 pm 


Anonymous

Redmond, u must have misinterpreted my post, because that is exactly why fmj is so dominant, his old school regimen, Ali could easily go fifteen in his sleep, but so could alot of other fighters, Ali could have boxed his way to many more decisions but he chose to take risks and paid for it in the end, he opened the door for big money fights by fighting in the first pay per view, today’s average fighter can actually make a living by just staying the distance… I’m not degrading Mayweather just giving Ali his well deserved props, don’t know how it came off as such in your mind

Posted June 19, 2014 2:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Anonymous that’s ridiculous Floyd Mayweather could box 15 rounds with his eyes closed… There are a lot of guys that only sporadically showup in condition and cannot fight hard for even 12 rounds, FMJ is known for stepping it up during the latter rounds ODH, Hatton, Maidana and Zab Judah found that out….Money is 37 and heavier/younger fighters like Maidana and Canelo cannot tire him out and take him down…

Posted June 19, 2014 2:00 pm 


Anonymous

A prime Ali could have done like Mayweather is doing today, he could have boxed and taken minimal risk which is what boxing is all about, but the fans wouldn’t have paid to see him, the media has made it so much more public with PPV and people earning way more which makes big money possible for many less skilled fighters. Besides in the past more fighters were hungrier and way better conditioned in order to go 15 rds. Today anyone with a good jab and footwork, can make a decent living

Posted June 19, 2014 1:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Columbia Neurosurgeons…..10/01/ali-v-holmes-the-fight-that-should-not-have-been/

Posted June 19, 2014 1:16 pm 


SREDMOND

This is an OLD article on the Ali vs Holmes bout…
Ali V Holmes: the Fight that Should Not have Been

Larry Holmes (left) and Mohammad Ali (right)
Larry Holmes (left) and Mohammad Ali (right)

In October of 1980 Muhammad Ali came out of retirement to fight Larry Holmes in an attempt to win an unprecedented fourth World Heavyweight Boxing Championship.

The months of training leading up to the fight were documented by the Maysles brothers. Because of the fight’s outcome, however, it was shelved. Twenty nine years later ESPN has revived that film, added new commentary by the people who were there, and released it on their 30 for 30 program. You can see in the documentary that Ali has slowed and his speech is slurred, while Holmes is at the top of his game (See a clip of the ESPN film here). The fight lasted ten rounds though it was clear after the first couple that Ali was going down. At one point in anguish, commentator Howard Cosell says, “this has got to end.” What we know now is that this fight was even more unfair than they knew; because Ali had Parkinson’s Disease.

Muhammad Ali was one of the fastest and most agile fighters of his time but Parkinson’s was getting the better of him. When you compare him just six years earlier in this 1974 training video you can see just how so. In the ESPN documentary, Dr Ferdie Pacheco, Ali’s doctor since 1962, said he noticed the changes in Ali and he warned him to stop fighting. Advice unheeded, Dr. Pacheco left in 1977, saying he couldn’t bear to watch anymore. Ali continued to train and, despite all odds, won his third Heavyweight Championship in 1978 and finally announced his retirement

Posted June 19, 2014 1:14 pm 


SREDMOND

Its so funny that we have to pretend Wlads losses pre Manny Steward are NOT discussable but this cretin Tark is selling Holmes vs Ali as a “prime for prime” summit meeting where we can get a strong read on who Ali was as a fighter.. I guess we should reference Shane Mosley vs Canelo to gain insight into Mosleys career… Tark is a BUM…

Posted June 19, 2014 1:12 pm 


SREDMOND

Ali UNLIKE Wlad was NEVER getting knocked out in his prime and when he did get stopped it was against a truly GREAT fighter… Klitschko had a murderers row of NOBODIES whipping his AZZ during a boxers prime years.. I don’t wanna hear this nonsense about fighters being at their best at 38… Besides who is Wlad fighting during this time? largely nobodies who was his last opponent? Lepai? at 38 and deteriorated during the 15 round era Ali was in with Holmes after a LAYOFF and got predictably shown he was finished… But then again you are the same BUM who thinks that James Toney set the world on fire for beating a 41 year old soon to be medically suspended Evander Holyfield…

Posted June 19, 2014 12:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, if you take this position on Ali then why are you ALWAYS making excuses for fighters like Canelo who only YOU claim was “weight drained” or Sergio Martinez? How do you reconcile the conflicts? NO intelligent fight fans subscribe to the theory that Holmes defeated anything close to a peak Ali do to him being at the tail end of a long career and showing obvious signs of deterioration… But you were QUICK and always are QUICK to defend a prime age fighter like Canelo for why he could not get it done against a boxer 13 years older than him? Also you dismissed Cotto’s win against Martinez AFTER you saw the fight focusing on his health instead of Cottos excellent performance… FACT is that you are inconsistent and simply HATE Ali….

Posted June 19, 2014 12:45 pm 


SREDMOND

TARK

Bill Patrice Jones says.., “Ali was not physically capable of a light jog let alone a heavyweight championship fight against an all time great. That fight was utterly scandalous. Ali couldn’t pass a physical that they give to ordinary people as a barometer for their health. He couldn’t find his nose with his finger.”

Who and what was responsible for all that??? Not Larry Holmes.

Tarks position on Ali

Posted June 19, 2014 12:41 pm 


TARK

Bill Patrice Jones says.., “Ali was not physically capable of a light jog let alone a heavyweight championship fight against an all time great. That fight was utterly scandalous. Ali couldn’t pass a physical that they give to ordinary people as a barometer for their health. He couldn’t find his nose with his finger.”

Who and what was responsible for all that??? Not Larry Holmes.

I don’t suppose it was Ali and his lack of a decent defense… And getting punched and punched and punched and punched in the head until people got tired of hitting him???

Wladimir is 38 and clear as a bell…

WK spent the last 10 years improving his defense rather than chasing tail every chance he got and throwing his money away. He could run for office when he gets done boxing in 10 more years.

Posted June 19, 2014 12:39 pm 


Anonymous

A SORE TOE IN A HW TITLE FIGHT. hahahahahahah.

Posted June 19, 2014 12:21 pm 


lol

TARK

Sanity you IDIOT.., Haye had 10 FIGHTS and Carl Thompson had over 35 FIGHTS. That was a stupid matchup. Haye was supposed to lose that fight. It was way premature for that stage of Haye’s career. Haye wasn’t down. His corner stopped the fight as a precaution, which was smart. You don’t wait for the unlikely comeback to spring forth and get your kid wrecked.

His other loss was to Wladimir Klitschko when he wasn’t 100%. Ali never fought anyone with Wladimir’s combination of height, size, strength, speed, skills, smarts, and vast amateur/pro experience and success. If Ali could come out of that fight as well as Haye did? Screw that – he would never make it 12 because Ali was too easy to hit. Punchable dudes who got knocked out frequently—such as Ken Norton—riddled Ali with punches when he was younger than Haye is right now.

Larry Holmes was the ONLY guy Ali ever fought who had a combination of skills and punching power comparable to Haye’s. You saw what happened in that fight. Ali was Wladimir’s age when he fought Larry Holmes BTW. Ali said he was going to give Holmes a boxing lesson. He never landed a good punch. Meanwhile Holmes lit Ali up so easily it was embarrassing for fans to even watch. Even Holmes was embarrassed.

I’m certain that will never happen to Haye. He takes his health and profession a little more seriously than Ali did.

Posted June 19, 2014 11:58 am 


l

TARK

Sanity you IDIOT.., Haye had 10 FIGHTS and Carl Thompson had over 35 FIGHTS. That was a stupid matchup. Haye was supposed to lose that fight. It was way premature for that stage of Haye’s career. Haye wasn’t down. His corner stopped the fight as a precaution, which was smart. You don’t wait for the unlikely comeback to spring forth and get your kid wrecked.

His other loss was to Wladimir Klitschko when he wasn’t 100%. Ali never fought anyone with Wladimir’s combination of height, size, strength, speed, skills, smarts, and vast amateur/pro experience and success. If Ali could come out of that fight as well as Haye did? Screw that – he would never make it 12 because Ali was too easy to hit. Punchable dudes who got knocked out frequently—such as Ken Norton—riddled Ali with punches when he was younger than Haye is right now.

Larry Holmes was the ONLY guy Ali ever fought who had a combination of skills and punching power comparable to Haye’s. You saw what happened in that fight. Ali was Wladimir’s age when he fought Larry Holmes BTW. Ali said he was going to give Holmes a boxing lesson. He never landed a good punch. Meanwhile Holmes lit Ali up so easily it was embarrassing for fans to even watch. Even Holmes was embarrassed.

I’m certain that will never happen to Haye. He takes his health and profession a little more seriously than Ali did.

Posted June 19, 2014 11:56 am 


eddie

and england will win the world cup.

Posted June 19, 2014 11:39 am 


turbo hamster in gangnam

Haye would have ko’ed foreman in 3 rounds. Frazier in 2 rounds. Would never lose to Norton who is basically a chisora with a crabby defence.

Who did Ali beat Haye wouldn’t? Noone.

Posted June 19, 2014 11:18 am 


Anonymous

ECAT AND TARK ARE THE SAME,BOTH LOVE PRIMA DONNAS AND IDIOTS LIKE DAVID TOE HAYE.

Posted June 19, 2014 11:10 am 


ECAT

“You comparing ALi’s best wins to Haye’s best wins?”

What are you talking about?

Posted June 19, 2014 11:05 am 


Tony1244

You comparing ALi’s best wins to Haye’s best wins? Seriously? I think Haye would laugh at you comparing him with Ali. Haye only fought Valuev evenly for 11 rounds!

Posted June 19, 2014 10:54 am 


ECAT

Ali would have turned Valuev into a bloddy mess? Seriously?

Posted June 19, 2014 10:53 am 


ECAT

“Whats his best win?”

Sometimes you should just judge boxers on SKILLS.

Haye has amazing speed, superior skills and a high ring IQ.

Posted June 19, 2014 10:50 am 


srminimo

Fury can be annoying because his opinion of himself does not match his level of opposition (although at least he is calling out guys like Wlad and the Bronze Bomber- and Haye punked out of their fight), but he does make me laugh and his answers are not the usual “style makes fights… this is my moment to show the world… I do this for my family and the fans… I’m ready for whatever he brings…” drivel EVERY other fighter recites like it’s the law (just read the piece above this one for a perfect example). I thought Chisora would beat him up the first time out, but he came through. If he wins convincingly he will be in a great position.

Posted June 19, 2014 10:45 am 


Tony1244

Tark reminds me of one of these conspiracy theorists that mistakenly believes saying outlandish nonsense makes him look interesting.

Posted June 19, 2014 10:29 am 


redmond are you g@y ?????

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Posted June 19, 2014 10:25 am 


SREDMOND

Tarks campaign to OVERSELL David Haye as a big time force at HW is sad.. Haye was a talented athlete but the bulk of his achievements are at Cruiserweight being the Mormecks and Macarenelli’s of the World… Whats his best win at HW? Valuev? Chisora? The fact that Tark puts Ali and Haye in the SAME conversation shows what an absolute BUM and nutcase he had… Ali had what 20 successful defenses of his titles over the years? how many did Haye have? I know beating Monte Barrett impressed you Tark but enough is enough with this “Haye is a proxy for Ali Crap” no boxing historian would support that trash commentary…

Posted June 19, 2014 10:24 am 


Anonymous

sredmond are you g@y ??????

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Posted June 19, 2014 10:24 am 


Tark

I’m not very smart.

Posted June 19, 2014 10:23 am 


SREDMOND

Tarks hatred of Ali has robbed him of ALL proportion to his arguments.. He REALLY believes that Holmes fought a peak Ali, meanwhile Holmes knew that OLD man was a spent force that evening and motioned for clemency from the ref.. Tark is the SAME guy making a TON of postfight excuses for Sergio Martinez who was STILL standing Champ and was facing a guy coming up in weight who had been stopped 2x at Welterweight… This same goon has 0 acknowledgement of Ali being CLEARLY past it, yet he has 100 reasons why Martinez was a shell? Tarks fraudulent activities are on FULL display…

Posted June 19, 2014 10:15 am 


Tony1244

ECAT, I have nothing against Haye. He didn’t cost me money. But he’s not even a part time boxer. Ali would have turned Valuev into a bloddy mess.

Posted June 19, 2014 10:02 am 


Anonymous

Has he ever KO’d an opponent that is world class? What a bum

Posted June 19, 2014 8:32 am 


Cultured Fist

Someone needs to knock this joker out. Apart from height he brings nothing to table apart from a big mouth. At least if he had some wit and charm about him then we could have a laugh but he’s a twat and lacks the boxing skills to excite.

Posted June 19, 2014 8:15 am 


ECAT

And AGAIN people discredit a boxer’s ability and accomplishments due to their dislike for him PERSONALLY. But Haye is actually a nice guy.

“You’re talking about The Hayemaker now, aren’t you? But he’s not here today. It’s only David Haye. This is the real me. The other one is my alter ego. He’s the one who comes out on TV or when promoting a fight.

“You see, the boxing public aren’t interested in knowing me. They want to know The Hayemaker, the one who gives it big. But the real me is the one sitting here before you now. I couldn’t think of anything worse than being my alter ego all the time. It would drive me and everyone else nuts. I’d burn myself out.”

Posted June 19, 2014 6:32 am 


ECAT

johnny, Haye overtrains

“I told the public three times I’d be fighting – against Manuel Charr and twice against Fury – and I pulled out each time through injury. I didn’t want to let them down again.”
Is that how he sees it? Is a cut above the eye one week before a fight, then severe shoulder damage letting people down? “Yes, I do. And I think a lot of the criticism I’ve had as a result is fair, too. It’s like paying to watch a movie and then the projector breaks down. I’ve given Fury ammunition to claim I’m ducking fighting him, too, and I’ve only got myself to blame.

To be as injury-prone as much as me isn’t bad luck. It’s the way I’ve trained in the past.”

Posted June 19, 2014 6:17 am 


ECAT

BEARS you fool, I didn’t say Haye has “superior skills” than Ali! But he would beat him!

Posted June 19, 2014 6:12 am 


SANITY

As I have told you a million times before Tark , age is no where near as important as miles on the clock or even worse a fighter absorbing a bad beating.

Saying “Jo Blow “is better than “Bill Whatsizname ‘because Joe was a better fighter at say age 38 is simply ridiculous.

Your use of semantics is obvious and your reasoning paper thin.

Your logic is flawed at best.

Posted June 19, 2014 5:35 am 


SANITY

George Chuvalo and Floyd Patterson are the only two fighters who to my knowledge fought Ali pre and post exile.

Chuvalo claimed the pre retirement Ali was far superior. Faster hands , much faster feet and most importantly a much larger gas tank. I would suggest he also hit harder as velocity plus timing equals power .

Bill Jones is on the money as far as both Ali’s physical state when he fought Holmes and the fact he was never as good a fighter in the 70s as he was in the 60s.

Youre arguments get more repetitive and ever more ludicrous , Tark.

Posted June 19, 2014 5:31 am 


Rustybucket

I wonder if nowadays there is a general lack of desire to maintain something once it’s reached.
The Olympics seemed o highlight this, with very few competitors ever reaching the same level again or even wanting to.
Instead, it’s just something to tick off on the to do list.

Posted June 19, 2014 4:35 am 


Rustybucket

BPJ

Totally agree Haye lost the desire through ego, wealth and hype, which is a real shame, because if he had fought some more after Ruiz he could have been an excellent Champion.
Funny really, as the Audley Harrison fight was a complete waste of time fo Haye and even detrimental to his career.
For me, Hayes career could have been so much better.

Posted June 19, 2014 4:26 am 


Bill Patrice Jones

Ali was never the same after the layoff. Similar to Tyson in the sense that the truly special quality of their speed and explosiveness was never recaptured once away from the ring for an extended period. Ali was super tough, he could take punishment all night if he had to and was only down twice his entire career.

Posted June 19, 2014 4:16 am 


BEARS (VINNI VIDDI VICCI SON)

I’ve learned all my boxing from TARK but even I know he goes too far sometimes and I’m an A class idiot.

Posted June 19, 2014 4:14 am 


BEARS (VINNI VIDDI VICCI SON)

WHAT!?!

ECAT you made me laugh. Haye has “superior skills” than Ali. Which comedy clubs do you perform at?

Posted June 18, 2014 6:35 pm

LOL

Posted June 19, 2014 4:12 am 


Bill Patrice Jones

Tark are you out of your mind? Larry Holmes is a legend, but Ali was not physically capable of a light jog let alone a heavyweight championship fight against an all time great. That fight was utterly scandalous. Ali couldn’t pass a physical that they give to ordinary people as a barometer for their health. He couldn’t find his nose with his finger without missing the target twice. There’s no sense using that fight for any analysis. I believe that every fighter in the top 10 today would also handily beat that version of Ali. He was on so much thyroid medication he couldn’t run more than half a mile without total exhaustion

Posted June 19, 2014 4:12 am 


jonny

Talk how do you explain Haye claiming to be injured so often before major fights. He does that so often that he has to be ducking. Why suck off this con artist so much?

Posted June 19, 2014 1:39 am 


Mee

Don’t care to hear parrots speaking ( Ali greatest ) thats what he said – so parrot’s just repeat.

Posted June 19, 2014 1:19 am 


rod

Fury would KO wach or give him a worse beating than wlad. Wach is super slow. Even slower than ustinov. Chambers is a good sparring partner for fury.

Posted June 19, 2014 1:18 am 


Pratt

Fury is going to mess up Chisora in a late round street fight. Just my opinion that’s all.

Posted June 19, 2014 12:34 am 


TARK

Sanity you IDIOT.., Haye had 10 FIGHTS and Carl Thompson had over 35 FIGHTS. That was a stupid matchup. Haye was supposed to lose that fight. It was way premature for that stage of Haye’s career. Haye wasn’t down. His corner stopped the fight as a precaution, which was smart. You don’t wait for the unlikely comeback to spring forth and get your kid wrecked.

His other loss was to Wladimir Klitschko when he wasn’t 100%. Ali never fought anyone with Wladimir’s combination of height, size, strength, speed, skills, smarts, and vast amateur/pro experience and success. If Ali could come out of that fight as well as Haye did? Screw that – he would never make it 12 because Ali was too easy to hit. Punchable dudes who got knocked out frequently—such as Ken Norton—riddled Ali with punches when he was younger than Haye is right now.

Larry Holmes was the ONLY guy Ali ever fought who had a combination of skills and punching power comparable to Haye’s. You saw what happened in that fight. Ali was Wladimir’s age when he fought Larry Holmes BTW. Ali said he was going to give Holmes a boxing lesson. He never landed a good punch. Meanwhile Holmes lit Ali up so easily it was embarrassing for fans to even watch. Even Holmes was embarrassed.

I’m certain that will never happen to Haye. He takes his health and profession a little more seriously than Ali did.

Posted June 19, 2014 12:10 am 


Thurmal Underwear

polish vodka? what about that russian punch though…

Posted June 18, 2014 11:54 pm 


Tea

Ali and haye in the same sentence???? Lol

Posted June 18, 2014 11:39 pm 


EZ E

This is a well HYPED fight. Besides the $$ that it will generate in Britain, not much else. Chisora is destined to lose from the jump. He’s TALKED his way into some nifty paydays, good for him. That being said, I’m not much of a Wilder fan, but not a hater, he surely has plenty to prove. While facing limited opponents he’s gone a bit farther than I expected. But then again Fury hasn’t been too convincing himself, although he has faced better opposition. I will say that if Wilder and Fury face off…. I’d be tempted to pick Wilder. Fury has decent skills but has a leaky defense and is definitely chinny. Wilder will connect, the question is… will Fury withstand it and take it into the latter rounds?? It’s a fight I would like to see and probably be more entertaining than the Hwt fights we’ve been getting. Peace to all!!

Posted June 18, 2014 11:33 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan to Breaking news

I would watch a rematch between Wladimir Klitschko and David Haye.

Posted June 18, 2014 11:28 pm 


SANITY

Im an idiot.

Posted June 18, 2014 11:05 pm 


Bill Patrice Jones

Haye was never overrated in my opinion. He just stifled his own career. Inactivity, ego and the realisation that he was capable of banking huge money for little effort is what made him appear to be overrated. Had Haye been active as WBA champion, and after Ruiz fought the likes of; Arreola, Peter, Chagaev, Povetkin then we would all sing a different tune about him. He should have stayed away from Wladimir for a couple of years with his belt and become seasoned as a fully fledged heavyweight. Haye’s last fight before Wladimir was Audley Harrison, I mean your simply talking about too big a jump. He simply wasn’t used to stern competition at heavyweight when his big chance came. Viciously fast puncher, superb reflexes, great athlete. He ruined himself. The Fury fight was no different.

Posted June 18, 2014 11:04 pm 


laj

Sanity actually Monte Barrett was a top ten fighter in his earlier career, but not when he fought Haye. Wlad destroyed him first to drop him out of the top.

Posted June 18, 2014 10:33 pm 


SANITY

Tark is just an attention seeking , lonely old man. He epitomes the word “troll”. If you go back over what he wrote say 3 years ago you would realise the only thing he is consistent at is denigrating great fighters while elevating fighters like Haye.

Old man Carl Thompson stopped Haye in 5 rounds. To Tark that is fine while he attacks Ali for losing to Frazier on points in possibly the greatest prize fight in history.

Haye has fought a grand total of six , yes 6 fights at heavyweight . Monte Barret was never a top ten fighter and had been kayoed by Cliff Couser in 2 rounds a year before he fought Haye. Fat Ordanier Solis kayoed Barret in 2 rounds in his next fight post Haye.

The Valuev fight was an all time snoozer and close to boot.
Ruiz was a 38 year old who had never been the same since Roy Jones defeated him 7 years before Haye did.

Haye’s next heavyweight “fight “was against Audley Harrison . Say no more.

Haye then hurt his toe against Wlad Klitshko , a fight in which Haye flopped around like a fish.

Haye then kayoed Chisora , his best win but lets not get carried away about Del Boy’s actual ability. Tyson Fury beat him fairly easily , Vitali might have lost two rounds at worst and Haye kayoed him.

Tark has the stupidity to compare a fighter who has a record of 5 – 1 at heavyweight and who was stopped by Carl Thompson as a better fighter than Muhammad Ali .

Posted June 18, 2014 10:29 pm 


Joe

He didn’t knock out Chisora the first time he fought him. Hmmmm!! We shall see if he can knock one out at least.

Posted June 18, 2014 10:20 pm 


laj

I like this fight between Chisora and Fury, but a little pissed at Wach. He was on steroids so he didn’t take the KO from Wlad, the juice got him through. He should have come in clean and taken the KO like a man.

Posted June 18, 2014 10:20 pm 


laj

Unbiased Dane if Ali was shot to pieces at 34 when he fought Young that just reduces his greatness and those that fought him. After all he beat Norton and Shavers after this, so they must have also been shot. Not too bright a comment now was that?

Posted June 18, 2014 10:17 pm 


Rubio

“Heavyweight destroyer”.. Ha! The guy’s a decent fighter, top 10-15 IMHO, but c’mon. He’s not a devastating puncher.

Posted June 18, 2014 9:45 pm 


Breaking news

Haye lost against Klitschko, but he was not knocked out, Klitschko was as much to blame for the fight, would not engage with Haye.

Haye is number 2 behind Klitschko in the division he would knock the rest of them out with relative ease, Klitschko number 1, Haye number 2, then it is the also rans by along way.

Haye would have a very good chance of knocking Klitschko out if they fought again.

Posted June 18, 2014 9:05 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Haye had his chance when he fought Wladimir Klitschko. He blew it. He talks too much, and underperforms in the ring… if Wlad grants him another shot, Wlad probably will win again.

Posted June 18, 2014 8:56 pm 


Breaking news

Haye is the man, the World takes notice when he fights, exciting fighter, at only 212 lbs Haye is the most powerful puncher with skills in the division, get ready for the return of Haye, knocked Chisora down and out, that’s power for you.

Posted June 18, 2014 8:51 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Yes, Tark. Ali would beat David Haye. BTW, I was very happy when Wlad beat him.

Posted June 18, 2014 8:45 pm 


Breaking news

Haye is back, fighting by the end of the year, great news for Heavyweight Boxing.

Posted June 18, 2014 8:20 pm 


TARK

No he wouldn’t… The Haye who smashed Dereck Chisora would be too strong for Ali — and way to good defensively.

If Ali coudn’t get away from 5’10″ X 205 fatty Joe Frazier’s left hooks — how could he get away from Haye’s.

Plus… Haye didn’t lay on the ropes and let people punch his head in like Ali did. He boxed and defended well.

How long would guys like 193-pound Karl Mildenberger, or 185-pound Henry Cooper last with Haye???

About 30 seconds… About as long as they’d last with Mike Tyson.

Posted June 18, 2014 7:54 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Tark, Ali would beat David Haye.

Posted June 18, 2014 7:42 pm 


Tachyon

Chisora will blow Fury away 6th round KO for Chisora. Fury was almost KOed by Chisora last time they met and that was a out of shape Chisora coming off hearna surgery.

Posted June 18, 2014 6:54 pm 


ECAT

Can’t you read?

Posted June 18, 2014 6:42 pm 


ECAT

WHAT!?!; Tony1244 you are ignorant fools! Haye lacks heart, yes, but his skills are superior!

Posted June 18, 2014 6:23 pm 


Anonymous

unbiased dane

youre an idiot

Posted June 18, 2014 6:16 pm 


Unbiased Dane

Tark said-’ And I didn’t see Ali running over Young.’ At the time Ali fought Young he was shot to pieces.

Posted June 18, 2014 6:02 pm 


Fight Aficionado

If Fury shows up in his best shape he’ll beat Chisora. If the blubbery guy who we saw last time shows up, kiss that 0 goodbye.

Posted June 18, 2014 5:41 pm 


turbo hamster in gangnam

Ali beat no-one haye wouldn’t beat.

Posted June 18, 2014 5:21 pm 


Tony1244

Comparing Haye to Ali cannot be taken seriously. Everyone who has been following boxing knows this. My post is for those new to boxing.

Posted June 18, 2014 4:42 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

European heavyweight champion “Del Boy” Dereck Chisora (20-4-0 KO’s 13) vs. Tyson Fury (22-0-0 KO’s 16)
for the European & Commonwealth heavyweight titles.

Dereck Chisora is the #1 WBO mandatory contender & #7 by WBC & 12 by WBA. – #12 by Fightnews.
Tyson Fury is #4 by WBO, #7 by IBF, #10 by WBC & #14 by WBA. – #4 by Ring Magazine & #4 by Fightnews.

This fight has it all on the line. Bothe men are on to of there game and the Brittish rivalry is intense good.
Tyson Fury won the 1st fight with a UD they had back in July 2011, and Fury was the most interesting heavyweight contender between them BUT Chisora have evolved sence then.

Having been involved in several great fights and fought tough opponents like WBC champ Vitali Klitschko, David Haye, Robert Helenius etc and won a lot of heavyweight belts like the European heavyweight crown & the WBA/WBO International heavyweight titles, so he have built up a lot more ring expearence to his advantage this time, like Fury cant say he have done the same.

Tyson Fury have sence 2011 only fought former 2-time cruiserweight world champion Steve “USS” Cunningham as most worthy name followed by Kevin Johnson, BUT have also won some titles like the Commonwealth crown, the Irish heavyweight title & the WBO Inter-continental heavyweight belt so something he have picked up as well, just not that expearence he should have made in 3 years of time.

I look forward for this fight with Dereck Chisora vs. Tyson Fury II.

Posted June 18, 2014 4:37 pm 


belly

fury thankyou for your excellence, we look forward to you defeating your next opponent and then winning the world championship and entering the hall of fame.

Posted June 18, 2014 4:23 pm 


TARK

Ali was wide open for left hooks… and he made a lot of other defensive mistakes you never see David Haye make.

Posted June 18, 2014 4:20 pm 


TARK

@Brazilian Boxing Fan.., Well Cunningham is bigger, stronger, and better than Jimmy Young was… And I didn’t see Ali running over Young.

I concede that Ali was a better boxer than Fury… but Ali could never have handled the size, height, and reach issues.

Whereas if David Haye arrived in the same shape he was for Dereck Chisora? … I think Haye would have knocked Fury out… Ali too – if Haye was ever able to sustain that strength and conditioning … without blowing out various parts of his body.

Posted June 18, 2014 4:14 pm 


KAREEM ABDUL-JABAAR

And Wladimir would KO Fury,Chisora and Wach also on the same night,

Posted June 18, 2014 4:03 pm 


detroitko

whatever Tyson…you had to cheat to beat a cruiserweight in USS Cunningham!

Posted June 18, 2014 3:56 pm 


Gnashers

Can’t fault the pair of them for trying to hype up an otherwise pretty unspectacular fight.
Not sure who is going to win, not sure I even care too much ….

Posted June 18, 2014 3:54 pm 


klaus heisler

go on then……

Posted June 18, 2014 3:36 pm 


Carl

Love these boxers who say this, why doesn’t he sign them both up then

Posted June 18, 2014 3:14 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

TARK, Ali was much better than Fury.

Posted June 18, 2014 2:53 pm 


TARK

You basically beat Chisora by being in super shape … and with razor sharp boxing skills. David Haye laid down the blueprint.

Posted June 18, 2014 2:37 pm 


TARK

Ali didn’t walk his talk… Doug Jones, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes, and Trevor Berbick are among the Heavyweights who made him eat his words.

Fury still has his “O” intact. He made Cunningham eat words and leather.

Wach would knock Fury out. Chisora will eke out a 12-round win… It’s not a betting fight because Fury can box a lot better than DC… It’s an interesting matchup because Fury is a slophunnus. He can be sharp if he’s in good condition, but he can also slop all over the place. I have no idea what condition he’s in.

If the fight degenerates into a slop-fest—and chances are it will—Chisora wins.

Posted June 18, 2014 2:33 pm 


Bo Bo Olson

Eddie does need a fight.

Posted June 18, 2014 2:26 pm 


Anonymous

the plastic pikey vs the fat african. could be another classic like monty python.

Posted June 18, 2014 2:23 pm 


DMX

Let’s his emotions get the better of him does our Tyson
Can you imagine the ruckus in the caravan
When Tyson’s poor old Wife describes David Haye as handsome . . .
God Help Her

Posted June 18, 2014 1:50 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Stop talking the talk and walk the walk, like Muhammad Ali did.

Posted June 18, 2014 1:36 pm 



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