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Posted June 27, 2014 1:23 pm 


TARK

You should accept the fact that Lomachenko did a better job of landing clean and accurate punches than Salido… Loma had Salido out in the 12th, for what could be called a 2-point round, and landed a lot more punches according to compubox… but he still didn’t get it.

That’s why he was so confident about fighting a much better and undefeated boxer—Gary Russill—for the championship that that jerk Salido lost when he fought Lomachenko.

Posted June 26, 2014 7:47 pm 


SREDMOND

Haimat, I get to hurl whatever I want because unlike the SPINELESS wonders who peddle excuses and WHINE, I am accept when a fighter proves me wrong! Hats off to Lomanchenko for proving many wrong on this bout the same way he proved many WRONG by losing to Salido…I am a purist as it pertains to results my NUTLESS friend!

Posted June 26, 2014 12:42 pm 


Turb0-Hamster hitting the hills

Proud African……hard of hearing. Wow…are you talking to the computer?

Is that what you are doing?

That isn`t how this works.

You have to write things down with the keyboard, and then other people can READ them.

You are thinking about a PHONE.

Still if you can`t tell the difference, that might explain your poor eyesight and why you think Russell won.

Posted June 26, 2014 3:58 am 


Haimat

SREDMOND, brashly predicted a dominating win by Russell. Now he’s on this thread throwing insults around. Pathetic poster

Posted June 26, 2014 1:14 am 


Loud African

I’m hard of seeing.

Posted June 25, 2014 11:14 pm 


Fight Aficionado

LOL Proud African. Nice job trying to troll the thread with that Russell didn’t lose schtick.

Posted June 25, 2014 8:09 pm 


Proud African

Turbo, are you hard of hearing?

Posted June 25, 2014 6:35 pm 


Turb0-H@mster the Sunbro

Proud African….not being funny – but do you REALLY believe Russell Jnr won that fight?

On what basis – he was significantly outlanded, hurt on several occassion – especially the final round, and he was made to look unimaginative and predictable – rather like a mini Devon Alexander, just punching gloves, grunting and hoping to be handed rounds on workrate.

Pick your battles, or you just look like a cliche.

Posted June 25, 2014 5:54 pm 


Turb0-H@mster the Sunbro

My actual quote was “those 3 fights have been at a high enough level, and have displayed development that they are valid to speculate about his potential”.

I stand by that, since those 3 fights two of which have been title level going 12 rounds, one against a guy coming overweight, and all three where the opponent genuinely came believing they would upset the applecart, give far more of an indication of his ability than 20 fights where he knocks out stiffs.

You can`t compare a 3 bout career with a 45 bout career, but you CAN compare a 3 bout career incorporating 2 solid world level fights with other 3 fight careers, or careers that have just reached world title level.

He is displaying the skills that made him a great amateur – footwork, defence, movement, shot selection and so on, and in just 3 pro fights has been adding the tweaks of a good pro style – his bodywork in the Russell fight, his ability to let Russell tire himself out ineffectively, sharp aggression in spurts, and what I especially liked – his calmness in close – taking the sidestep to open up the angle for his rips to the body, and mixing his combinations so they weren`t predictable.

He is worth getting excited about – he is going to be in lots of good fights, and he is in them now – not letting them “marinate” or whining about promoters or who gets how much.

He’s certainly displaying more ability than the likes of Broner who you were happy to anoint as the second coming.

Posted June 25, 2014 5:52 pm 


eric

Loma won but it was closer than than what people are saying.

Loma is a very talented kid, and Russell is aswell, Russell hand speed is crazy fast.

Posted June 25, 2014 4:58 pm 


Proud African

D, you are a foolish pundit.

Posted June 25, 2014 4:41 pm 


D

loud african, “Lomachenko was running all night long. If Mayweather did the same thing he’ll be called all sorts of names.”

running? loma attacked russell on numerous occasions and punched the crap out of him, driving him around the ring. at some points they could have been fighting in a phone booth. he boxed some and punched some. you have to be the dumbest and most racist jerk in the world.

Posted June 25, 2014 4:15 pm 


turbo hamster on tequila

SREDMOND….when using quotation marks it is customary to actually wrote exactly what the person said not a convenient strawman argument.

Posted June 25, 2014 3:42 pm 


Proud African

Gary Russell was just being diplomatic. He knew he won the fight but did not want to stir the pot. Lomachenko was running all night long. If Mayweather did the same thing he’ll be called all sorts of names.

Posted June 25, 2014 3:30 pm 


D

loud african, “gary russell won the fight”

you either didn’t watch the fight. or you’re freakin’ blind. gary russell and his whole corner looked like a funeral march at the end of the fight he was beaten so badly. he was the most disheartened fighter i’ve ever seen.

gary admitted he lost big, and said, “back to the drawing board” a couple times

what else could he say? he was outscored badly in 11 of 12 rounds

Posted June 25, 2014 2:44 pm 


Proud African

You sure had your blinkers on when you sidestepped ‘Blacknobedlprizewinners’ comments. Totally uncalled for. Racism must be in you people’s genes.

Posted June 25, 2014 1:34 pm 


Al not so Sharpton

Pround africant you make me proud brother, make sure you show for your panther tattoo tonight.

Black powers to da people’s!!!!!

Lets work together to keep racism alive broham.

Posted June 25, 2014 1:27 pm 


Proud African

Who cares about the Nobel Prize? The Nobel prize was set up for Whites by Whites. You White people are funny. You think you are a superior race but you only survive with ‘whites only’ signs and Jim Crow laws and apartheid against others. Nonsense.

Posted June 25, 2014 1:07 pm 


Proud African

Gary Russell won the fight. The boxing mafia just want to heap accolades on a wannabe pro Lomachenko. Rigondeaux and Micky Garcia will take him to school.

Posted June 25, 2014 1:02 pm 


RJHill

the sky is the limit for this guy.He probably wants the guy who beat him ,if he could make the weight.In these lower weight classes you cannot spot 20 lbs, to someone who is in shape.

Posted June 25, 2014 11:26 am 


STB

Lomachenko won a World Title in the pro game inside 3 fights. Fact is he’s a champ now. Beat a guy who was 24-0 the other night to win it and he’s already been the 12 round distance twice. Salido lost his title on the scales and hasn’t fought since. Loma has the goods for the pro game, he’s developing the all round skills required in the more rugged pro ranks with a big improvement from his previous fight, he’s getting the experience and has the bargaining chips now. He’s a champ. More to come.

Posted June 25, 2014 9:39 am 


brick city

one thing i noticed about loma is he cant fight when going backwards, he’s a good fighter but it will only get harder for him. we will see

Posted June 25, 2014 9:37 am 


SREDMOND

Turbo, you say that Loma’s 3 fights at the Pro level “were at such a high level they impressed” how was losing to Salido impressive? I don’t begrudge guys being excited about a prospect its when they start putting forth a future that is FAR beyond anyones guess… Truth is that early in their development we have seen guys take on FAR greater challenges than Salido and prevail… Does that mean Lomanchenko will not go on to have a terrific pro career? no it does not mean that he could become a beast… That said as of now he is 2-1, which means he has a lot of work to do..

Posted June 25, 2014 9:33 am 


MrPibb

Loma whupped GRJ’s a$$.

Posted June 25, 2014 9:23 am 


SREDMOND

MJ, I STILL think that Broner would beat Rios up BADLY he is way to slow and come forward and he does not punch like Maidana, additionally NONE of that commentary occurred when Broner was in his 3rd fight AFTER having lost one of the 3 to a guy with 12 career losses like Lomanchenko did… FACTS !!!

Posted June 25, 2014 9:23 am 


SREDMOND

MJ, I am a SKEPTIC on all young fighters that said Broner had proved WAY more than Lomanchenko professionally by the time he was getting some serious pub… He had already moved up from 130 to 135 when he crushed the Champ at that weight in a seriously dominant performance and he had been in the ring with the tough Daniel Ponce De Leon at 130… Lomanchenko has fought 3 guys and lost to one of them, he is BEYOND early in the game… Had Broner lost to a Salido type early he would have had to take the critiques and questions INSTEAD his first loss was 17 pounds later against a World Class puncher at 147…..

Posted June 25, 2014 9:21 am 


What?

I like how the article says “Rigondeaux would take advantage of Lomachenko’s low punch output to defeat him”…
As if Rigo throws more than 10 punches in any round…
Really informed writer we have here.

Posted June 25, 2014 9:19 am 


SREDMOND

Worship Broner? Not even close, I think he is a flamboyant character and at his best he is exciting but Broner is a young talent and where he goes from here is anyones guess.. Mayweather on the hand is a LIVING LEGEND and it is a privilege to watch one of the GREATEST Pure Boxers ever continue to succeed at an age where other Greats had long ago been picked off…

Posted June 25, 2014 9:17 am 


BlackNobelPrizeWinners

This helps explain SRedmond ,his agenda and his worship of two prize fighters ( Broner and Mayweather ) of dubious character.

As sharp as a tennis ball comes to mind ……….

There has NEVER been a black Nobel prize winner in the fields of physics , chemistry, physiology or medicine .Blacks have won 15 out of 800 Nobel Prize awards .

SRedmond lacks the self awareness and intellect to realise what a stereotype he is. His bitterness regarding race has been compounded by the dominance of the Klitshko brothers .

Posted June 25, 2014 7:07 am 


TARK

“All great southpaws have a crushing left hand.”

Marvin Hagler didn’t have a crushing left hand.

He couldn’t hurt or floor Marcos Geraldo, who had been KO’d 10 times before… and he couldn’t hurt or floor an old Bennie Briscoe — who as a much younger fighter was KO’d with one brutal left hook by Rodrigo Valdez… People cite Tommy Hearns, but he didn’t have a strong chin.

Give Lomachenko a chance… This was his 3rd professional fight and he’s a World Champion… I’m sure the left power shot will be there in time… He brutalized the undefeated number 1 contender … and he was only a slight favorite.

There was a marked improvement from his 2nd to his 3rd professional fight.

Posted June 25, 2014 3:12 am 


no clue

the article is apparently just a wind-up job to stir up some controversy .. however .. some points are legit .. all great southpaws had crushing left hands to the head and to the body. it’s their money hand .. however. lomachenko’s lack of power in this department will be his downfall if he is rushed into fights with RIgo or other top dogs in his class.. He needs to develop his power a little bit more .. cause his herky jerky back and fourth style will not work against big hitters that can counter punch and know how to box

Posted June 25, 2014 1:57 am 


Broners Nuts

Come on SRED, I best not be seeing you hanging on no Hopkins nuts. I gotsta get me a hug.

Posted June 25, 2014 1:45 am 


Broners Nuts

Come on Red, come give some love to the Can Mans baby factory

Posted June 25, 2014 12:47 am 


Broners Nuts

I`m cold SREDMOND. Come back baby. It`s snuggle time.

Posted June 25, 2014 12:11 am 


Broners Nuts

Hey SREDMOND why u no hug me any more?

Posted June 25, 2014 12:10 am 


TARK

te tumbo.., “Lomachenko didn’t come close to beating Salido”

It was a SD with 2 judges scoring 115-113.. That’s as close as you get.

Lomachenko landed more (punch stats) and better punches and had a 2-point 12th in which he really hurt Salido..

It was clear to me he did the better, cleaner work.. And except for his legs and genitals, which took a lot of foul blows, he suffered less damage.

Posted June 24, 2014 10:53 pm 


Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

Te Tumbo – first step could be Salido bothering to make weight.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:34 pm 


te tumbo

Lomachenko needs to rematch Salido before getting an automatic pass into a feather tourney. at the very least, Salido should be included and placed in Lomachenko’s competitive bracket. that would be a “sick Mfn” tournament.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:30 pm 


MJ

SREDMOND was all up in Broner’s jock heralding him the future of the sport long before he’d done squat. He should have really booked two loses to De Leon and Quintero but SREDMOND was still all up in his jock gushing over him and lauding him as a cant miss future pound for pound king and the heir apparent to Mayweather’s throne.

What had he done to earn such high praise? Nada. Beating up cans and much smaller opponents than him?

Posted June 24, 2014 8:19 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Heard an interesting rumor that Arum wants to get a featherweight tournament going. He promotes Rigo, Garcia and Lomachenko and can do it. If so that’s a sick MFing tournament. What boxing needs more of.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:17 pm 


Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

@MJ…..

Hmmmm…in the face of overwhelming evidence, I stand corrected!

Posted June 24, 2014 8:15 pm 


MJ

How exactly did Broner look so damn unbeatable? Most fans thought he lost against De Leon and Quintero and he barely managed to scrape by a old Paul Malignaggi. He did not look unbeatable at all.

‘He is beating fighters DOWN with skill and precision… If every guy in boxing could master that style, and hit and don’t get hit with relative impunity they would’

What style exactly had he mastered? Hit and don’t get hit? What alternative reality did this happen in? This is just pure fantasy.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:08 pm 


MJ

Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

@SREDMOND…

If there is one area where you are usually consistent it is in not assigning something to someone they haven`t proved convincingly.

SREDMOND

The guy is 23 and his progress is frightening. Marquez would be awesome because he is literally the #2 technician in the sport but he would be confronted with youth, speed and talent in Broner (super matchup) Brandon Rios would be a bloody mask and likely TKOed it would be target practice…

SREDMOND

Rios would be beaten to within an inch of his life by Broner, this would be a Pacquiao/Margarito type fight… Broner is WAY too fast and sharp a puncher for a free swinger like Rios it would be another beatdown..I see Rios going down like Gatti did against Floyd Mayweather this is NOT a fight that Rios EVER wants… Totally different class of boxer…

Posted November 19, 2012 7:09 pm

SREDMOND

Burn 22, all boxers are some variation of other boxers, Broner stands out because the style employed by he Toney and Mayweather and to some degree Hopkins (Philly Shell) is NOT as widely used… The reality is that if you gave 100 boxers the challenge of being effective with that style you might have 0.5% actually be able to effectively implement… It works for Broner because he has the speed, reflexes and obvious committment to mastery…Reality is that Broner has taken ownership of this style

Posted November 19, 2012 3:42 pm

SREDMOND

Burn, clearly his style is modeled after Floyd Mayweather but the ability to EXECUTE is the differentiating factor… Broner is not in there just trying look like Floyd Mayweather he is beating fighters DOWN with skill and precision… If every guy in boxing could master that style, and hit and don’t get hit with relative impunity they would… He has mastered a mode of combat and has made it his OWN….

Posted November 19, 2012 10:33 am

SREDMOND

The only reason you need to see this guy in with Garcia, or JMM ALREADY at age 23 is because he looks so damn unbeatable.

Posted February 12, 2013 11:27am

SREDMOND

He is not a guy emulating Mayweather he is a guy dominating like Mayweather… Shane Mosely was used to imitate Floyd in sparring with ODH and ODH lost, and when Shane got in there with the Grandmaster he lost… Broner is the only guy I have seen employ that style to its proper effect in the tradition of Floyd and Toney in a LONG time, his ability to slip, roll and counter with speed are unreal…

Posted November 19, 2012 8:32 am

SREDMOND

Anyone who believes that the remaining relevant fighters at 135 and 140 would be able to best Broner had better 1) be blind 2) be part of the fighters immediate family or entourage 3) Be his promoter… I am loathe to anoint these fighters too soon but Broner is simply a special talent

Posted November 18, 2012 4:55 pm

Posted June 24, 2014 8:02 pm 


te tumbo

“[Salido] took a serious beating at the hands of Lomachenko of course … and if he gets ready he can come get another pounding”. TARK, unfortunately none of Lomachenko’s-boosters are clamoring for that rematch. after all, do you think for an instant that Salido would turn down that payday? Salido thrives at being underestimated. it’s resulted in prospects and pre-designated HOFrs alike being dropped into his lap along with the payday, motivation, and satisfaction of proving his detractors wrong. Btw, Lomachenko didn’t lose every round but he didn’t come close to winning 7/12. Not Even Close.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:00 pm 


Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

Hatton had nearly 40 fights by the time he fought Tszyu.
AND Tszyu made weight.
He bumslayed for ages, and then built up vs people like Ben Tackie before going for the title.

Anyway, noone is selling Lomachenko as unbeatable, he is being described as one of the (if not the) best amateur ever, who has come into the pro’s with massive ambition to move up to the top level in record time.
He has displayed technical ability and an attitude that rightly has people very very excited.

He`s only had 3 fights so clearly he won`t have a HOF resume at this point, but those 3 fights have been at a high enough level, and have displayed development that they are valid to speculate about his potential.

I think you are being disingenuous re other fighters too – Oscar, and Mayweather weren`t facing world champions in their second fight.

The record is Lomachenkos and there is no slice of record pie for Mayweather, DLH or Hatton.

Posted June 24, 2014 7:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Fight Aficianado, if Salido was not considered beatable by Lomanchenkos people why did they put him in there? They knew Salidos past and reputation and thought he was just gonna be another name in the docket but he let the young fighter know the pro game is different… Accept this and stop your groveling, it’s weak even for the likes of you..

Posted June 24, 2014 7:31 pm 


SREDMOND

, I was skeptical about Rigondeaux being able to do well with Donaire who was on top of the game and streaking well Rigondeaux did NOT need Tark or any other lobbyists to attempt to mitigate his loss instead he outboxed Donaire nicely and did not leave “The Flash” with an appetite for a rematch, again it’s possible that Lomanchenko has a better career when the smoke clears but right now he’s got ALOT of work to do sporting a 2-1 record, it’s just the start..I remember when Khan enjoyed Great acclaim after a silver medal, then Bredis Prescott cracked his melon and the Garcia… Khans still World Class but he never became a World Beater

Posted June 24, 2014 7:28 pm 


SREDMOND

TurboHamster, the reality is that other fighters early in their careers have handled tough vets notably Oscar, Mayweather and even Hatton who got rid of Kosta Tszyu…
Point is that if you are gonna bill Loma as a “can’t miss guy” FACT is that he MISSED already, his people did not put him in there with Salido thinking that he was gonna lose or to teach him a lesson..Coming up short is not the worst thing that said, his start in boxing does not cement a Great future he has shown MIXED results and that’s just a fact..

Posted June 24, 2014 7:09 pm 


TARK

Te Tumbo.., You mean too bad for Salido.. He lost his World Championship in the Lomachenko fight, and hasn’t had a fight since.. He took a serious beating at the hands of Lomachenko of course … and if he gets ready he can come get another pounding. This time it will be worse than Mikey laid on him.

Lomachenko obviously won the Salido fight — regardless of what 2 idiot judges had to say… And Lomachenko is STILL World Champion after beating back number one challenger Gary Russell.

The world is open for Loma… Salido? The mother couldn’t even make weight

Posted June 24, 2014 6:33 pm 


te tumbo

“. . . cheated with repeated fouls against an amateur with 1 pro fight”, which begs the question of “who the f’k is Loma blowing to snare automatic title bouts?” a fierce veteran like Salido should’ve never been allowed near a green, unproven, and untested amateur with just one pro fight. Btw, “cheating” and “fouling” is precisely what veterans do v. green and inexperienced competition. after all, it’s the ref’s job to regulate the bout. it’s the fighter’s job to push the margins and fight to win. Salido is a consummate veteran and pro with the experience to exploit inexperience. “too bad” he wasn’t the ringworn bum that Lomachenko’s handlers and fanbase thought they were setting up for a prominent loss. too bad for Lomachenko, that is.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:19 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND has found another white fighter to while away his hours trying to discredit.

He says it’s not related to the hue of his skin but if you’re stupid enough to believe that you’d believe anything.

If that’s the case why does he do exactly the same about all of the world’s other best white fighters regardless of their accomplishments?

And why does he call white people crackers, cave dwellers, rednecks and various other racist insults?

Posted June 24, 2014 6:16 pm 


Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

@SREDMOND…”there are PLENTY of top dogs who would have dispatched a fighter like Salido in their second pro fight”……..

See, now you are overstepping in the manner you accuse others of doing in extrapolating too far.
If you won`t accept people predicting big things for Loma from just 2-3 fights, you can`t predict someone WOULD HAVE done big things in 2-3 fights when they did not actually have the balls to do it.

If there is one area where you are usually consistent it is in not assigning something to someone they haven`t proved convincingly.

Noone else did this. Lomachenko just equalled the record for a fastest ever world title. He achieved that – it`s an amazing, and solid actual achievement, and as big an achievement as you can have after 3 fights.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:11 pm 


te tumbo

“so far so good”(?). 2-1 and is not particularly good by any stretch of the imagination. nor has Lomachenko proven anything as a pro other than not being a very experienced pro subject to being punished and embarrassed by rough, tough, hard-to-snuff,and very experienced types like Salido. Garcia, Mares, Gonzalez, or Rigondeaux would defeat him convincingly. Lopez or Martinez are more like it but those wouldn’t be “gimmes” either. Btw, note how Lomachenko (or his cheerleaders) are not clamoring for a rematch v. Salido. only a bunch of lame excuses why he lost.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:10 pm 


Anonymous

Hidalgo, SREDMOND said this.

SREDMOND

Tomato Can, I gotta say I think Russell is gonna BLOW Lomanchenko out to be honest.. I think they are trying to turn this guy into the next Rigondeaux, a decorated amateur that is fast tracked in the pro’s… It was a FAIL against Salido and I think Russell is just too talented..

Posted June 18, 2014 9:35 am SREDMOND

Guys are really letting the success of Rigo make them think that every amateur is ready to come in and takeover.. Its like every High School Star thinking he is gonna hit the NBA and emulate Lebron’s learning curve… This is PRO boxing, big money is on the line and the scoring can be very different, your opponents are gonna be HARDER these are the people have taken this up for a living, some will be walkover opposition but Gary Russell Jr is not gonna be one of them.

SREDMOND

I think you have to accept the reality is that Lomanchenko is at the PRO level now… He won almost 400 amateur bouts with one loss YET in his first 2 pro fights he already booked a loss to a VERY beatable fighter who has NEVER been anyones virtuoso… Russell has MORE pro experience and he has serious talent, I gotta go with Russell everyones thinking this guy is gonna duplicate Rigondeaux who was a surprise.

Posted June 19, 2014 5:40 pm

I’m sure he also said Russell was going to KO Lomachenko and that it might be early. I’ll see if I can find that one later.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:08 pm 


TARK

I also said it wasn’t wise for Lomachenko to fight either Salido or Russell.. Even though I predicted victory for him in both fights.

The reason is — like Leon Spinks — when you become World Champion that puts you on a VERY high level… You’re fighting the toughest guys in your division before you can get well acclimated to the pro ranks.

Ali was the only top boxer Leon Spinks ever beat… so it wasn’t a wise move to for Leon to jump that far in his 8th fight. He ended up getting smashed by Holmes, Coatzee, etc.

With Rigondeaux and Lomachenko.. those are special cases never seen before.. You never had guys that good turning pro before … However Vasyl accelerated it beyond all imagination.. What he did was crazy, but it worked for him.

Whether it will continue working is a question… so far so good.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:52 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., You didn’t predict a somewhat more violent ending for Mayweaather Canelo… You predicted Floyd would smoke… shred… paint… and KO Canelo.

That was your EXACT words and discription of what would happen.

I predicted Floyd would beat Canelo by decision and never changed.

In light of that… who was more accurate???

Posted June 24, 2014 5:40 pm 


Fight Aficionado

SREDMOND aka Supreme Court polluting the thread with talk about Salido, a proven steroids user who cheated with repeated fouls against an amateur with 1 pro fight. Why is this no surprise?

Posted June 24, 2014 5:38 pm 


anatoly

Many people on ESB wrote Loma off after he was jobbed vs Salido, but he got a title in 3 pro fights, baby! The Salido loss means basically nothing because Loma learned from that. Bernard Hopkins even lost his debut. The fact one clown of a judge had Loma-Russell a draw when Vasyl won widely shows you that officials can rob you. In fact, the Salido fight has given Vasyl a big reminder that he’s a pro now. Where’s Salido now? Nowhere. Meanwhile Vasyl now has 2 Olympic gold medals, a best boxer of the Olympic Games award, a 396-1 amateur record and the WBO featherweight title. Big fights await.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:38 pm 


SREDMOND

D, AGAIN you are discussing me picking Mayweather as the dominant winner which he did indeed dominate, if I predicted more a more violent beating for Canelo then so be it FACT is that he was seriously outclassed which his Mayweathers calling card.. As for Loma I went with Russell as the more known quantity as did many experts, if Lomanchenko gave him the business then so be it! I am NOT Tark, I don’t whine or weep when these non Elite newbie fighters fall short because I understand they have scant experience to back their time in the sport…

Posted June 24, 2014 4:57 pm 


SREDMOND

Loma should have been able to handle Salido if he was currently a World Beater there are PLENTY of top dogs who would have dispatched a fighter like Salido in their second pro fight… Loma may go on to do big things but there are NO excuses for his inability to prevail against Salido given the pedestal you kooks want to place him on…. Tark of course wiping his record clean…

Posted June 24, 2014 4:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, you hedge CONSTANTLY and you offer a BOATLOAD of excuses when your picks don’t come thru… You FLIP FLOP on all manner of aspects of a fight ie… You were BIG on Canelo after Trout but lately you keep insinuating that Alvarez did NOT defeat Trout because you are so HUGE on Lara all of a sudden… You pick Martinez KNOWING about his layoff and injuries and then when Cotto goes APE on him in the first round you suddenly wanna dismiss an excellent performance by Miguel who was coming up in weight and was the underdog…

Posted June 24, 2014 4:47 pm 


STB

Loma went 12 with Salido in his second pro fight. Salido came in heavy and low-punched all night, wins a disputed SD with everything stacked in his favor. Next fight, Lomachenko bounces back and wins a title impressively, all inside three pro outings. Insane boxing skills. You can almost put this guy in with anyone at 126 already, he’s that good. He just needs the rounds and more experience before he meets the very best.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:34 pm 


Turb0-Hamster hitting the hills

TARK, I`m sure SREDMOND will be on here later with an essay, but he didn`t say Mayweather would KO Canelo. If he did you could provide the link.

SREDMOND simply isn`t that stupid. Anyone predicting any Mayweather fight is going to pick a clear UD, unless there is a good reason for suspecting a KO – e.g. terrible defence a la Gatti, or a suspect chin or temperament – like an Ortiz, or possibly a Khan.

I appreciate you do actually give picks – e.g. Cenlo I think you were giving a 2-3 round swing, and that was accurate, but you will also expound on the merits of both sides to the point that whoever wins, you can go back and say “well I thought that”.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:28 pm 


KOrnerman

Russell looked small he should drop down to super bantam.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:55 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Well, Top Rank let Lomachenko fight Salido and Russell Jr in his 2nd and 3rd fights so I don’t see why they won’t put him in with any and everyone. Frankly I’d rather see him get more experience but then again I thought that from day 1.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:33 pm 


Anonymous

TARK predicted canelo would KO Floyd. It was written between the lines. we are not stupid TARK.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:08 pm 


TARK

I don’t hedge hamster.., There are no absolutes in Boxing except: Did your guy win or lose??? They don’t pay off because you think your guy won.

I pick losers like everybody else — and think long and hard about where I went wrong.

Especially if I lost a fortune. Everyone who gambles has their great days and miserable days. At the end of the year did you do better or worse than last year? That’s the only way you know for sure if you’re getting better.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:07 pm 


TARK

FK you Hamster…, You lying jackass… Sremond will tell you himself that he predicted Floyd would KO Canelo.

He said that several times and I sure he has a good memory of it.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:58 pm 


T22

Enjoying all the banter. Lomas success at 2-1 record suggests a lot of good amateurs need not waste time fighting inferior opposition. Deontay Wilder has wasted around 6 years fighting inferior opposition. It must annoy these athletes to train for months and get a minutes fighting time. I think a lot of boxers with padded records will get found out. The only reason to take it slow is either if your a very young pro like a Roberto Duran or if you have a lack of amateur experience. Either way if you win easily to often its up to the boxer to ask for tougher/ more learning fights. Incidentally I think Miquel Cotto was matched correctly on the way up as was Kostya Tsyzu.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:56 pm 


turbo hamster on tequila

ActuallySredmond neversaid mayweather would ko canelo He said paint and shred which you have interpreted as ko TARK .

And I will say this for him Sredmond picks without any insight or imagination and has clearly never boxed but his picks are clear.

You hedge everythingto the point that literally whatever happens in the ring You won’t accept that you may have mis judged someone’s skills.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:54 pm 


eric

Americans around 128lbs are jockeying in the Kentucky derby and playing pro-badminton otherwise we would dominant Loma’s division aswell.

Some at 128 have also chosen different career paths such and Christmas Elfs.

If it were not for horse racing and Christmas Americans would dominant the lower weight divisions.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:24 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND, shut your fukking mouth Sean you racist scumbag.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:10 pm 


TARK

That last message was from TARK… I also use D on occasion, depending on what mood I’m in.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:10 pm 


SREDMOND

Rigondeaux made a believer out of me the way he took a fighter of Donaires caliber to school and shook his confidence… He’s not in need of a PR man because he LOST to Orlando Salido …

Posted June 24, 2014 1:58 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Mayweather gave Canelo a NICE boxing lesson and if you think I am disappointed with his performance you are WRONG it was pretty awesome against a talented, much bigger, much younger fighter who YOU thought had a real shot to win..Canelo underperformed YOUR expectations that’s why you began make EXCUSES the minute the winner was announced, You did the SAME with Cotto vs Martinez before the bout you went with Maravilla AFTER you started harping on his knees … You want us to sign off on Lomas defense etc based on a Good performance on the heels of a LOSS to a beatable fighter… FACT is that Loma did not fight Gary Russell Jr 2x and produce that result, he fought Salido and LOST then defeated Russell, it’s too early to know what he is gonna do as a pro, he might get knocked out his next bout and of they try Garcia it’s a legitimate risk..

Posted June 24, 2014 1:56 pm 


Titopa

Rigo vs Loma….will give us answers.

Posted June 24, 2014 1:33 pm 


Titopa

TARK – The bottom line is the Loma was NOT prepared for Salido, he was banking on his am experience and it just wasn’t enough…the PROS is a different ball game.

Also, GRJ, although very good…was considered to be a bit overrated and a guy who’d yet to beat an ELITE level fighter in the PRO ranks, Loma is/was clearly the better man on Saturday, there’s no disputing that, but when he was put to the test against a seasoned vet who’s been known for his “roughness”, Loma was totally unprepared, you can’t tell me they didn’t see that coming? Everyone did. I don’t blame Salido either, he knew of Loma’s inexperience in the pros and he took total advantage of that, bending and breaking the rules to see if Loma could handle it, and he couldn’t. Don’t get so defensive, Loma bounced back and now we get to see how much he’s learned.

Posted June 24, 2014 1:28 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., That’s exactly the word you used, “dust” when telling us what Russell was going to do to Lomachenko.. just like you said Floyd was going to shred, paint, and KO Canelo.. Unlike your lying posts, I ALWAYS said Floyd would beat Canelo by decision.

I never said Lomachenko has the 2nd best footwork in Boxing either, you idiot. He has exceptionally masterful footwork. He uses the entire ring very well. I don’t remember ever seeing anyone with better footwork than Lomachenko displayed against Russell—but that’s one opponent. He won’t look that masterful versus every style… Russell was made for him.

Loma has a masterful defense. He has a powerful body attack. He has every weapon. He slips punches and counters with masterful precision. He has acclimated to the professional style with frightening speed. He obviously outpunched Salido by a wide margin and had OS on the verge of a KO. How 2 judges came up with a Salido win for that one is almost as bad as the Lara-Williams fight—or the Lewis-Holyfield draw. Some decisions are just stupid. Foul blows do not score points, and Laurence Cole is a notoriously partisan referee.

I don’t think it would be wise for Lomachenko to fight Rigondeaux for 3 or 4 more fights. But Loma is a supremely headstrong individual who drives his own agenda. He’s extremely confident that he can beat anyone in the world who’s a logical opponent for him. Obviously, despite his lack of pro experience, he’s in a position where Rigo’s the logical fight. Loma wants to fight the most appropriate and logical opponents out there.

That’s more than you can say for Floyd Mayweather, who has been shrinking from a Pacquaio fight for years. Everyone is tired of Floyd’s BS excuses as to why he won’t fight anybody who’s a prime, gifted boxer-puncher, with an all-around game.

Posted June 24, 2014 12:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, where did I say he would “dust Loma” ???? I certainly picked Russell as the more known quantity at the pro level and have no issue with the pick or the outcome… If Loma was the better man you don’t or won’t hear me making excuses about “refs” “weight” “trainers” or the usual Bag of tricks you employ when you decide a fighter is the second coming of Ricardo Lopez… Its Ok Tark you are ALWAYS HUGE on a fighter after a Big win and drinking the Koolaid, if the man loses you will slink into the corner OR you will begin trotting out excuses… Your abandonment of Canelo was quite shocking YET you say a guy who is 2-1 has the second best footwork in pro boxing next to Pacquiao who himself does NOT have the best footwork in pro boxing… Manny is AWESOME but he spends PLENTY of time off balance or out of position…

Posted June 24, 2014 11:24 am 


TARK

Sredmond.., You’re the idiot who said Russell would dust Lomachenko… As usual you don’t have a clue.

Posted June 24, 2014 11:19 am 


SREDMOND

Titopia, when Tark, Bears or one of the serial decision changers decides that reality is too painful to bear they just pretend it does not exist just like a child with fingers stuck in their ears…Lomanchenko was unimpressive and not prepared for Salidos roughness which is HIS and his teams fault… Everyone in boxing knows that Salido is a tough Mexican that is not gonna be worried about your feelings or plans for world domination, Ask Juan Manuel Lopez…

Posted June 24, 2014 11:16 am 


Titopa

TARK – He did NOT beat Salido, I’m sorry, but he didn’t….he got muscled and manhandled, I thought he had Salido in the 12th, but it was too little too late.

Posted June 24, 2014 11:08 am 


DaTruth Hurts

Mikey Peds Garcia is a Chicken.. only fights guys smaller then him who are old, worn and shot.. He should be calling out Puerto Rican Danny Garcia..

Posted June 24, 2014 11:01 am 


SREDMOND

Tark is an IDIOT he is elevating Lomanchenkos defense OVER Rigondeaux’s because he Loma was terrific against Russell from all accounts? That’s like judging Broner purely on his win against Antonio Demarco he looked UNBEATABLE that night, accurate, fast, elusive against a standing World Champion and like Loma a CRUDE fighter defeated him with toughness and an unorthodox attack… Rigondeaux beat up a guy considered an elite fighter and he has NOT lost as a pro… Whereas Loma beat a very good Prospect and LOST to a crude fighter that had been recently beaten from pillar to post… AGAIN if you are gonna judge a guy by his BEST fight then almost everyones a future HOFer… Tark is a bonafide fool and dedicated bandwagoneer, when Loma books another loss Tark will toss him over just like did Canelo…

Posted June 24, 2014 10:48 am 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo, I know you are a BIG Salido fan but to some extent I have to agree… The selling of Lomanchenko as a boxing conqueror at this early stage has been SEEN and done before MANY times… Meldrick Taylor was unreal till Chavez despite losing most of the fight beat the hell out of him… Reality is that Lomanchenk debut has NOT been a spectacular success when positioned against GREATs like Roy Jones, Oscar, Floyd and many others… He came out to GREAT fanfare and has already dropped a bout to a guy considered to be nowhere near the top as it pertains to skills toughness aside… Rigondeaux looks like 3x the fighter this guy did, he was putting a dusting on Donaire in his 12th fight whereas Loma was losing to Salido in his 3rd…Discussions of Mikey Garcia sound utterly foolish, Garcia is a boxer/puncher and he presents BIG problems for everyone he fights…Lomanchenko has a long way to go despite his fans giving him the throne based on 2 professional wins.

Posted June 24, 2014 10:08 am 


SREDMOND

Wow Lomanchenko is ALREADY being compared to Pacquiao and he has been in the ring with Salido, Russell and one other guy? and despite these accolades he has ALREADY dropped a bout to a very beatable Salido, again no one is saying this guy cannot have a terrific career but could you guys be a little more premature in your proclamations??

Posted June 24, 2014 9:46 am 


K-2- Fan

de Dumbo ; You obviously don’t know anything about Lomachenko , implying that Vasyl is reluctant to re match Salido . Wasyl’s ONLY loss came from a guy who beat him early on in Vasyl’s career , but Vasyl , got better , rematched the guy and avenged his only loss in the amateurs . You don’t think a guy like that would not want to avenge his loss in the PRO’s ?

Posted June 24, 2014 8:22 am 


Bo Bo Olson

Modern foolishness is this go up in weight crap.
One stays at the weight where one is optimized…not giving up height and reach until one is forced by age or a fast fork to minimize or give up the natural size, to fight skilled men with more reach and height.

It is foolish for a small skinny man to become smaller than his opponent; and ‘bulking’ up does not make a man stronger, faster or add KO’s to the record, in KO’s come from speed of the punch not muscle mass.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:15 am 


SLIM

@Felix…you are overreaching, it’s not that serious. Have a nice day.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:47 am 


Felix

Is it me or the writer is just another racist, jealous, envious African-American who sees his black overportected boxers getting beat one after another from superior Eastern European boxers? hahaha

Posted June 24, 2014 4:11 am 


Haimat

I hope GBP and Top Rank will start making fights. End this cold war BS.

I agree with Tark on Lomachenko. He’s got the best footwork in boxing next to Pacquiao. He’s an offensive, crowd pleasing fighter with great growth potential. I see him learning the pro game with each fight. Learning how to finish fighters, adjusting his punch output. He’s just talented enough to beat these World Champions in his seconde and third pro fight.

Rigo would be a great challenge which I think Lomo would lose at this stage of his career. Rigo is too seasoned. Give Lomo five or ten more fights and he’s unbeatable.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:09 am 


te tumbo

why aren’t Lomachenko’s cheerleaders demanding that Salido grant him a rematch? because he’d get his ass kicked just as bad, that’s why. don’t make the same mistake that Lopez’s fans made and assume that Salido won for every reason other than the Documented Boxing Truth: he’s Better and Proved It in a Boxing ring. Lomachenko doesn’t want his lunch money taken from him, then he should stay on his side of the street, which I believe he will from now on. otherwise, Garcia, Mares, Gonzalez, or Rigondeaux will send him into 2015 with a 2-2 record and a deflated fanbase.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:45 am 


Ray Ray

Would Arum have his guys fighting & beating each other? Is that serous? Arum would never have any in house fighting? ppffffttttt.

Posted June 24, 2014 1:03 am 


TARK

ANONYMOUS “Tark im starting to think you might be the dumbest and inept person on ESB. Rig has no defense?”

Learn how to read you stupid MFer. You have an IQ of 3.

Rigo has a great defense idiot… I said his defense wasn’t as good as Lomachenko’s… Russell hit Loma with less than 10% of his punches… and he’s very fast and sharp.

Rigo was on the deck vs Donaire, floored by a sharp straight left… and he caught some other hard shots.

Loma doesn’t get hit hard enough to get decked.

Posted June 24, 2014 12:15 am 


uzb

Lomachenko could beat Rigo if he pulls Calzaghe or Lennox and waits for the top dog to get old. He has a chance against Garcia but though Loma hits harder than Mickey and throws more, IMOH Mickey has better punch selection and better feet. Lamo has faster feet but Mickey positions his feet better (distance, angles etc). Not knocking Lamo’s technique (he is a great technician as well but you can see a bit of the Olympic style frenzy his last 2 fight). Amazing fighter non the less, well deserved belt!

Posted June 23, 2014 11:57 pm 


SLIM

Here you go again Tark, making excuses for fighters. If Donaire had shoulder problems then he shouldn’t have been in there, Cut the crap…But I will say the way Lomachenko was lookin on Saturday. Him and Rigo would be a good match up. Not gonna say Rig would beat his ass. Have a nice day.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:54 pm 


K-2- Fan

Is this Sorby character talking about Lomachenko ?
” Lomachenko is a good fighter ” …. Really ? Sorby , should be such a ” good boxing writer ” ! This guy doesn’t have a clue . Lomachenko ” can be easily outworked ” and
his ” out put is low ” . Come to think of it , isn’t he one
of those idiots that kept clamoring about Wlad’s “glass jaw ” ? I wonder why he’s not doing that anymore ?!
Trouble is Sorby , Lomachenko will be Champion , in a few years , he’ll be on top of the heap , where will YOU be ?

Posted June 23, 2014 11:37 pm 


Anonymous

From here on Lomanchenko beats all before him, he’ll get better and better and at some point he’ll beat Rigo, maybe not yet, Rigo is the best pure boxer in the world, but I think Lomanchenko will be the one to beat Rigo.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:16 pm 


ANONYMOUS

Tark im starting to think you might be the dumbest and inept person on ESB. Rig has no defense??…That’s what he’s known for you moron.

Posted June 23, 2014 10:50 pm 


TARK

Rigo doesn’t defend or move as well…

He fought a Donaire who had ongoing shoulder problems — and still caught a sizzling straight left which dumped him on his shorts.

Posted June 23, 2014 10:40 pm 


Anonymous

Rig would beat his ass…

Posted June 23, 2014 10:35 pm 


Boxtradamus

Loma’s Defense was markedly improved vs. Russell. I can see him out pointing Mikey but I can’t see him out pointing Rigo. At the ELITE level the counter puncher usually beats the attacker. Rigo beats Loma in a match where only 10 shots may be landed per round.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:26 pm 


Anonymous

Tark’s right, Lomanchenko is the real deal right now, he’s the only serious threat to Rigondeaux. Yes he’s only just had his third pro fight but Lomachenko’s 400 amateur wins served him well, he could take on Rigo right now and it would be a mighty close fight and Lomachenko could win. Of all the potential match ups, this is the fight I’d love to see. Rigondeaux versus Lomachenko.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:13 pm 


Boxer

Rigondeaux vs lamachenko talk about boxing purest dream fight, although mikey vs lomachenko ain’t bad niether

Posted June 23, 2014 8:43 pm 


TARK

@Titopa.., It’s not right to sink to somebody’s else’s level. Just because somebody fouls you, gives you no right to foul them back. The end doesn’t justify the means. Vengeance belongs only to God, not to men.

The best retaliation for a fouler is to hurt them and beat them fair and square — which Lomachenko did to Salido.. He only convinced one judge of that, but he’s from the Ukraine.. You have to deal with corruption and bias and move on, which Lomachenko did. It didn’t phase him.

Salido lost his title versus Lomachenko… He hasn’t recovered it, and hasn’t fought since… It belong to Lomachenko now — because he kept his eyes on the future and kept rolling.

Posted June 23, 2014 8:30 pm 


Tomato Can

And yes the rough house blue print is out on Loma. But I doubt he’ll be letting guys come in over weight anymore.

Posted June 23, 2014 8:12 pm 


Tomato Can

Lol, Loma had a good 10 years to prove how good he is. If he’s the real deal, like he appears to be it’ll be known.

Posted June 23, 2014 8:10 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Chenko is a young talented fighter with the potential to do great things in the sport but his pole jockin fans are getting out of hand to soon..Lomo beat Russell (who beat..??) for a vacant title and that’s all for now folks

Posted June 23, 2014 7:51 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Tark we get it already, you love Lomachenko

Posted June 23, 2014 7:44 pm 


Titopa

TARK – In the pros you’re gonna come across guys like that, Salido did foul a lot, yes, but who’s job is it to keep the fouling to minimum or keep it from happening at all? The ref. If the ref’s not doing his job then it’s up to Loma to ADJUST, something he didn’t do, he allowed Salido to do as he pleased and he paid with a loss.

Posted June 23, 2014 7:42 pm 


Anonymous

that ugly old man of Bob arum….if he had a clear idea of what the Sweet science really is would appreciate. all tha amazing talent Rigondeaux. has …rigo has it all …the only thing he lacks its a ll bit more of agressivness …b u t as far as tecnique and defense there is no one compared to him if he could carry 20more pounds and be a few inches taller he would certainly. put a beating. on the clown of floyd

Posted June 23, 2014 7:39 pm 


TARK

Titopa says.., “He’s very good, yes, but there’s still a pretty big difference between Am experience and Pro experience…Salido showed us that.”

Salido showed us shlt…

He threw 30 low blow and those don’t count… shots on the break, rabbit shot, shots on the back don’t count… Head butts don’t count… Only one judge was watching the fight. The other 2 judges were looking for rounds to give to Salido as gifts. The dikhead was almost knocked out anyway, couldn’t beat Russell in a million years, and lost his title on the scales long before the fight.\

Lomachenko beat Salido by more than 50 clean, scoring shots … and had him close to out in the last round.

The Russell fight gives him 50% more pro experience in one night… More than that when you figure his 1st fight went 4 rounds.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:48 pm 


Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

Just for the novelty value, why (as world champion) doesn’t he just fight against the #1 contender for his title? Sorry, I forgot that the TV networks decide the rankings…

Posted June 23, 2014 6:48 pm 


T22

I think Loma now needs a few easier but nonetheless learning fights against different types of opposition. Give him chance to develop properly. Maybe a few non title fights too. Id suggest another 4 fights before starting to unify. Maybe go 10-1 before moving up a weight.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:41 pm 


Bad Dog

Chris Williams, Watch out !

You have a rival for the title of biggest idot writing for ESB.

What a twit !

Posted June 23, 2014 6:37 pm 


Macho Gabacho

The problem is that Lomachenko would have to move up to 130 to fight Garcia, which would then put him two weight classes above Rogondeaux. If Rigo were to move up to feather weight and fight Lomachenko soon, then potentially Loma could move up to fight Garcia soon after. Of course, Garcia is in the same boat. Does he wait around for Lomachenko to move up, or does he move up to fight the winner of Gamboa vs Crawford?

Posted June 23, 2014 6:27 pm 


Black Man

@Drejo…GTHOH you Nazi fagot…Gary Russell jr. got beat up period. What does race have to do with it?? I will whoop your fagot ass punk. Sitting behind a computer talkin sht. Knowing you will get your ass whooped…

Posted June 23, 2014 6:08 pm 


Drejo

I bet an insecure black man with severe complexes of ingeriority wrote this piece of junk. Still butthurt Loma destroyed Garry Russell nikka? LOL

Posted June 23, 2014 5:41 pm 


RAYGORDON REID

maYBE

Posted June 23, 2014 5:38 pm 


Xavier

Lomachenko could actually do with a more routine match next, maybe a Laszczyk or a Brunker, one of those high up in the WBO rankings, and let him get used to appreciating the title. They were ranked higher than him prior to his title fight. The likes of Gradovich and Walters can be on his radar in the next six months or so. Good unification matches. I wonder if Loma would like to gain revenge over Salido at some stage in the future too. Loma would be my pick to stop him next time. He should definitely get some more solid experience before any Rigondeaux fight. Rigo is the Cuban Loma. :)

Posted June 23, 2014 5:21 pm 


curtley

I am staggered when I read these articles about a guy with 2 pro fights and the criticisms articles like this spout, he has just won a world title in his second fight who was Garcia and even an even more seasoned amature guy like Rigo facing at this stage? This shows that Lomachenko is a freak talent but could ultimately be bad for him as it would be far better fight lower level fighters for a couple of years but he seems destined to get chucked in the deep end where the flaws all pro fighters have in the early years will not go unpunished, no matter how good he was in the vest of his country it will take time to adjust.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:19 pm 


Dave

Have to agree, Lomachenko is one heck of a talent, he’d beat Mikey Garcia, but Rigo might be another matter. Rigondeaux v Lomanchenko would be a great fight to see. It would be close, I can’t decide who would win, but if I had to, I thnk Rigondeaux might edge it, but Lomanchenko would give Rigondeaux all the trouble he could handle. Yep, I agree with the thoughts below, Rigondeaux v Lomachenko is a super fight. Total sell out where ever they fight.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:12 pm 


Titopa

Tomato Can – I’m not a fan of Rigo, but regardless of his punch output…his speed and precision alone will be too much for Loma IMO.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:11 pm 


Titopa

Rigo won’t hesitate to fight Loma….when Top Rank sees how quickly Rigo jumps at the shot, they’ll rethink that idea.

Posted June 23, 2014 5:10 pm 


Tomato Can

However, some guy that we don’t know may beable to rough house Loma to a win. That’s the experiance that Loma is lacking. Other than that the sky’s the limit. I think… lol

Posted June 23, 2014 5:00 pm 


Tomato Can

The only guy that might outbox Lomachenko right now is Rigo. And being tha Rigo isn’t a busy fighter, and he’s no spring chicken, Lomachenko’s chances get even better… Garcia, though good isn’t out boxing Loma. He might catch him with something and KO him, but experiance factor is too much for Garcia to over come. Loma’s ready for anyone right now. Will he beat everyone right now? that’s still to be determined.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:57 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Let the Lomachenko hype train begin ..Lol

Posted June 23, 2014 4:46 pm 


Hecdog

Lomachenko beats Garcia, but Rigo is too fast and his movement and defense will be big challenges for Lomachenko. This would be a classic fight between two master boxers.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:54 pm 


Titopa

Not totally sold on Loma yet….he’s VERY good, clearly, just not jumping on the wagon yet.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:41 pm 


Ike4president1970

I am curious as to whether this writer has even watched Lomanchenko or Rigondeaux, or merely read a few headlines. If course Lomanchenko can improve, but he’s already the real deal and has backed it up fighting tough, experienced guys his first three fights. Ramirez, Salido and now Russel. That’s an ambitious start! I’m not sure if Lomanchenko and Rigondeaux will fight, as Loma is a big Featherweight and Rigondeaux only recently moved up to 122. Clear out their respective divisions I say. I feel Lomanchenko will try for a rematch with Salido, if he makes weight of course, and up his punch output a little to get the win. Salido is very tough, and Loma learned some leasons in the pro game that night. He will make the adjustments. Awesome talent and not afraid to fight the best. This is what we want as boxing fans. This writer clearly doesn’t get that. Ike out….

Posted June 23, 2014 3:34 pm 


Titopa

Loma hit GRJ with what appeared to be vicious shots, GRJ never seemed truly hurt…maybe stunned, but not “hurt”. I see Garcia’s power being something Loma’s not ready to tangle with…yet. That’s just my opinion, I still think it’s a good fight to be made tho.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:30 pm 


Titopa

Garcia’s KO power is FAR greater than GRJ’s, I mean, they can’t even be compared…Garcia’s is also better than Loma’s, other than in the 12th (if I recall correctly), Lomachenko wasn’t able to do anything to Salido, but didn’t Garcia drop him numerous times?

Posted June 23, 2014 3:26 pm 


Titopa

Anonymous – Who did GRJ knockout though? Anyone VERY good or…….??

Posted June 23, 2014 3:23 pm 


Mo-Box

Garcia, maybe yes but definitely Loma’s not ready for Rigo yet. He needs at least 8-10 good pro fights under his belt to learn and adjust to the dirty games of the pros. Salido fight clearly showed Loma needs to adjust his amateur mentality to professional boxing mentality where dirty games play their important role and how to counter this. You can’t buy experience and vs the master in Rigo the experienced pro vs a rookie pro will show and Rigo will beat Loma as of now.

But I think when Loma gets around 10 pro fights then the Rigo vs Loma will be an utmost superfight in 2016 – two Olympic Gold pedigrees, both stellar talents and mighty highly decorated amateurs finally meet in the ring, maybe even the biggest supefight made in boxing history in their relative weight class!

Posted June 23, 2014 3:13 pm 


Anonymous

The great Gary Russell Jr had vicious knockout power too but it didn’t do no good against a super boxer like Lomachenko. Same would happen to Mikey Garcia, Lomachenko would totally out box Garcia and win either by stoppage or by a wide points decision. Rigondeaux is a far more dangerous foe because his skill level is way higher than Mikey Garcia. At best I would give Garcia a punchers chance against Lomachenko but that’s all, but I wouldn’t bet on it, Lomachenko is a much more skillful boxer than Mikey Garcia and he has decent power, I have real doubts that Mikey Garcia would see the 12th round against Lomachenko.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:12 pm 


Anonymous

Rigondeaux v Lomachenko – super fight.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:04 pm 


Titopa

Don’t know much about Lomachenko other than his loss to Salido and he’s good performance vs GRJ, but Garcia is not only a very good boxer himself, but the boy has fight ending power in BOTH hands…seems like a risky fight for Lomachenko, even Rigo is risky, but I still think Garcia is the far more dangerous foe.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:01 pm 


TJ

LOMACHENKO has now got two good 12 rounders under his belt vs top quality opposition and is fast acclimatising to the business end of the pro game.

I wouldn’t count him out of any fight with anyone at 126.

I’ve already written a good match up would be with Axman Walters, which would bag him another title and match him with a big puncher who is as tall, if not taller than him.

The only down on Vasyl may be he may not punch as hard – he landed 6 consecutive body punches on Russell on a couple of occasions, but didn’t dent him.

This is why it will be a good match with Axeman who’s highlight KO of Darchinyan was spectacular and will be good to see how he breaks him down and how he reacts to getting tagged.

Let’s see what the next 12 months brings…. Hopefully, he is active and gets in 3 decent fights in that time and then he can aim at the big guns.

I actually would like to see him in with Jhonny Gonzalez, who is a wily, old veteran and never in a bad fight… just ask Abner Mares!

Posted June 23, 2014 2:56 pm 


Anonymous

Mikey Garcia won’t beat Lomachenko, no way. If anything Lomachenko would beat the crap out of Garcia.

Posted June 23, 2014 2:55 pm 


Big Martha Stanford

I love you my new cutie handsome Lomanchenko. Posters all over my wall boys !!!:)

Posted June 23, 2014 2:41 pm 


Vinny

Lomanchenko gets outboxed by Garcia??? Really??? Nah

Posted June 23, 2014 2:25 pm 


Joker

Re: Writer

You really think Rigondeaux would beat Lomachenko?
I’m not so sure. Physically Lomachenko is much bigger and stronger.
He is plenty fast as we saw over the weekend, and possesses good combination punching, and excellent footwork. If you think for some reason that the reasons Rigo took Donaire to school will also apply to Loma then I think you are sorely, sorely mistaken.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:44 pm 


Jake Lead Rights

i think he has better chance at mikey garcia than Rig. Rig is a defense magician and his offense is spectacular….He doesn’t carry any weight behind his punches because he never sets his feet but he will make you pay if you leave yourself open and he will find an opening. Lomachenko is fast throws from all angles and has some pop to his shots. Mikey Garcia although he’s won some good fights he has poor defense and takes too much punishment. Rig or Lom can pick Mikey apart

Posted June 23, 2014 1:33 pm 


Titopa

Prof Konje – He’s very good, yes, but there’s still a pretty big difference between Am experience and Pro experience…Salido showed us that.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:23 pm 


Bolo

This article makes no sense so lets keep loma from fighting everbody basically. Gradivich is not a step down from russell he is champion and wasnt handed his belt. Him vs loma would be a hell of fight and hbo would be fools to not pick it up. Donaire & walters would be great on hbo as well. Garcia has fought nothing but slow plotters loma would not be a walk in the park. The same with rigo. Your selling loma way to short homie.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:11 pm 


Bearcat

Beat down Donaire quickly

Posted June 23, 2014 1:10 pm 


Prof Konje

From what I saw Saturday evening, Lomachenko is very, very good. I would not be surprised if he doesn’t get good fights as he will very probably destroy his opponents. He’s had 400 fights before turning pro and that’s a lot of experience.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:06 pm 


dick tiger

Lomachenko needs to be matched against some good fighters, to enable him to continue to adjust to the pro game. He needs to get more experience before facing the best in the division.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:24 pm 


powerhands

He’s good. You got to go by his amateur record ass well. He should stay at that weight for a while.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:18 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

Jeff Sorby, We are all entitled to our opinions, but yours seems to take the position that Lomachenko cannot and will not improve as a professional boxer despite the fact that he’s only 26 years old. With an amateur record of 396-1, I have to believe that Vasly has tremendous talent, dedication, and desire, and that tells me that Vasly can and will improve as a professional given the right training and matchmaking. Time will tell, Jeff Sorby. Time will tell.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:58 am 



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