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Rich

Joseph, you make good points…..But when Lamont neglected twice to turn up for the hearing in Las Vegas I lost a lot of sympathy for him and his case…..

Posted October 25, 2012 1:18 pm 


TARK

Any doctor can say.., “In my opinion Peterson did not get a performance boost from his use of banned PEDs.” That’s a convenient judgment to make, and exactly what you would expect from a Peterson partisan. But how about a judge saying, “You may have robbed a bank, but you were caught before you could spend any of the cash. Therefore you didn’t actually benefit from your illegal activity so you’re free to go with this warning—next time don’t rob a bank in the first place.” That would be ludicrous, but rulings like that happen all the time in corporate trials. Let’s remember that judges, doctors, politicians, commissioners, board members, and org members often make decisions based on who feathers their nest.

Posted October 25, 2012 1:01 pm 


TARK

Herron says…, “There has to be a centralized sanctioning organization who implements drug testing with fairness and equality.” … Look man–the Peterson team ASKED for these tests because they suspected Khan of doping. The tests were fair and equal for both athletes and done by an elite accredited Olympic style testing laboratory. The Peterson team NEVER CLAIMED the tests weren’t done with “fairness and equality” and neither did ANYONE ELSE… Obviously when Lamont finally admitted he took banned PEDs after Sample B tests came back positive the testing actually nailed the perpetrator — so you should feel happy about the testing results. So what’s the problem with fairness and equality here?

Posted October 25, 2012 11:32 am 


te tumbo

Btw, sabotaging his own $1 million payday is not punishment for cheating but a direct consequence of his own unethical stupidity. Peterson does not get credit for a payday he never actually earned.

Posted October 25, 2012 9:59 am 


te tumbo

“. . . but what did Lamont do illegally?” i’ll echo what other posters have already posted repeatedly: Lamont admitted he “medicated” with testosterone AFter feigning incredulity at the dirty tests for testosterone(?!). at worst, he cheated. at best, it was a cynical and severe lapse in judgement to not disclose this glaring fact in the first place, i.e., who forgets flying to Nevada for the specific reason of being “medicated” with an otherwise banned substance? apparently, that’s the charade that Peterson was trying to perpetrate before a light-bulb appeared above his head indicating that the jig was up. any attempt to rationalize and reconcile these facts into a portrait of persecution are oblivious at best and unscrupulous bias at worst. you may be helping out a young fighter (not) but you’re doing a disservice to Boxing. the compromise is for Peterson to be punished (not banned) and compelled to earn his way back to legitimacy.

Posted October 25, 2012 9:58 am 


Deepwater152

Apology accepted . Dude for four years 1996-2000 my job was boxing. Just because I didn’t turn pro doesn’t mean a thing. A promoter set me up with an apt in union square and I learned my craft by sparring every pro including current champions today. I was actually slated for my pro debut on a vinny mad dalone undercard but I failed physical due to broken wrist. I had to step away due to injuries, broken bones.stiches, ruptured disk. I left boxing so I could get a job with benefits because that’s the way it goes. Getting back to Peterson , he didn’t due his part and now has to suffer consequence. If he had a big fan base non of this would matter.he would be excused because money runs the game. If a four round fighter fights 3 fights and retires due to injury does he get pension from the union? Who will run the union? How much are dues? A % of purse or a flat fee? Does the union have delegets? If the boxer has a grievance who represents him at what cost? Will promoters have unfair advantage with the unions? Please respond to questions

Posted October 25, 2012 9:43 am 


Joseph Herron

Ozzy, the two samples you’re referring to came from the same specimen. It collected that way to make sure it wasn’t a misread of the same specimen. In other words, they were from the exact same collection.

There were three different collections and two of them came out negative.

His positive tests do not suggest anything more than what it is…a positive test result from one specimen. Yes, testosterone does affect performance, but to what extent.

There are so many factors that many of you aren’t taking into consideration, like how much of the testosterone was inserted into his body? Was it used to bring his levels to that of a normal functioning male his age, or was it excessive to improve his strength abnormally.

It’s not as cut and dried as most would like it to be…that’s why a positive test doesn’t prove anything.

Posted October 25, 2012 9:36 am 


Joseph Herron

Deep water, you challenged my integrity by stating, “shame on this writer for making excuses and justifying stupid illegal behavior”. That’s not what I’m doing and I really took offense to it. If I hurt your feelings by stating that you sounded like an a**hole, I apologize. But you did sound like one…maybe if you actually stepped in the ring without headgear and smaller gloves, you would have a little more empathy and understanding why a union is needed for these great athletes, and why it would be feasible at any level.
If the commission members can have a regular paycheck with benefits, there’s no reason why boxers can’t.
Also, do you know how much a fighter receives when his fight is replayed on HBO, Showtime, or ESPN?
Nothing…the commentrators who called the fight get residual income from the broadcast though…do you think that’s right, Deepwater?

Also, don’t you challenge my motives for writing about the sport and helping these young fighters make a name for themselves. Since when does anyone need a motive to help another person?

I’m not trying to justify “illegal behavior”, but what did Lamont do illegally? Because as far as I know, no one has incriminated or suspended Lamont for anything. After a proper investigation was conducted by only the IBF and no one else, the levels that tested postitive from the VADA data weren’t sufficient enough evidence to find him guilty of using the treatment to gain an athletic advantage in the ring.

Unfortunately, Golden Boy Promotions as well as the NSAC acted negligently and didn’t conduct a proper investigation. As a result, we have everyone and their mother convinced that Lamont is a cheater.
For the last time, I’m going to ask everyone…since when has a positive test ever proven an intent to cheat?
Lamont missed out on a $1 million payday…that’s his fault for not disclosing his medical information, but it in no way makes him a cheater and he doesn’t deserve to continue paying for his error.

Posted October 25, 2012 8:59 am 


Gerry

Joseph – I’m not attacking, but would appreciate you clearing something up. Why do you think it matters if he only tested positive once?

From my point of view, firstly – the primary reason for testing is no longer needed. Peterson has said himself he broke the rules ( whether a mistake or intentional is irrelevant) so tests become irrelevant for ‘catching him’ or adding weight to your case. Testing positive once, twice or a thousand times… doesn’t matter, he’s said he did it.

Secondly – just because the drugs are out of your system before the fight doesn’t mean you haven’t benefit from them. You only have to look into any drugs case in sport to see that it’s common practice to take the banned substance during training to get the benefit there and then have it out of your system by competition time to reduce the chances of getting caught. Who’s to say that the ability to train at a greater intensity in the run up to the fight wouldn’t have improved his chances of winning?

I’m not casting judgement on Peterson either way as to whether his reasons are genuine. The fact is he should have known the rules and once they were broken he has to take it on the chin.

Posted October 25, 2012 8:28 am 


Deepwater 152

One more round your a clown. When you resort to hostile words you lose any argument you thought you had. Herron you cursed me for no reason. If you disagree with me make a sound argument and prove me wrong. Instead of cursing we could debate why a union wouldn’t work with boxing like other sports. Boxers are independent contractors with no league or pay structure. We can go from there. If you want to spar for charity lets do it. I’m 38 175 masters division. If you can’t spar then that’s ok too just don’t talk junk. My cutman was the late great al Gavin who was a big union guy. He said a traditional union would never work with boxing. A retirement fund and insurance packages are feasible.

Posted October 25, 2012 8:28 am 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo, I would say not getting to fight and missing out on a payday of $1 mill hurts plenty.

Most people who are calling Lamont a cheat forget that his first specimen and his final specimen were clean and came out negative. The sample closest to the fight was clean, but no one cares about that detail.

Posted October 25, 2012 6:46 am 


Joseph Herron

I agree with you, Tark…but that’s one of my points. Who is going to fairly implement any punishment? The commissions? All you have to do is fight somewhere like Mexico, Germany, or England in a different commission. The Promoters? They shouldn’t have any influence in any kind of rules or regulations because of their obvious self-serving interests.

There has to be a centralized sanctioning organization who implements drug testing with fairness and equality.

Posted October 25, 2012 2:42 am 


te tumbo

Btw, that $500k isn’t a firm number but it’s gotta be something that hurts. Peterson is the villian here. what he needs is some to think about whether he wants to re-dedicate himself and come back under stricter scrutiny but that comes with the territory. anyway, winning fixes everything and removes all doubt. i’m more interested in finding out whether Peterson can win again.

Posted October 25, 2012 1:24 am 


te tumbo

ultimately, i want to see good fights. so my impulse is to toss Peterson back into the mix ASAP. let his peers do the regulating following a six-12-month suspension and $500K fine. $50K up front, the rest to be deducted from his purses upon his return. make him buy his way back in and fight his way back to the top. of the few values left in the “legalized villainy” known as Boxing, let redemption be one of them.

Posted October 25, 2012 1:15 am 


Joseph Herron

Thanks you, Mr. Dream…I’m happy that someone recognized the reason for the article. Thanks for reading!!

btw…I was the author of the anonymous post earler.

I can’t stand hearing from “self proclaimed” fight fans who couldn’t really care less about the fighters and what they go through during their plight for stardom. Guys like Deepwater aren’t real supporters of the sport. if they were, they would recognize that my efforts to help these fighters were genuine. I’m not on the payroll of any fighter or promoter. I do this because 1) writing is a passion of mine and 2) the fighters need positive reinforcement.

Posted October 25, 2012 1:05 am 


TARK

Peterson got title shots against Bradley and Khan…. He should be sitting out a 2-year ban from Boxing but he’s not…. Promoters did a lot for him—what more could they do? … It’s Lamont Peterson who fk’d himself up.

Posted October 25, 2012 12:36 am 


Mr. Dream

i think this is more about the promoters ruining Peterson. not so much the steroid crap

Posted October 25, 2012 12:16 am 


Anonymous

Deepwater, you assume way too much. I’m not Dan Rafael or Kevin Iole who have never stepped foot in the ring. I actually know how to fight and I love to spar. Why do you think my fight analysis pieces are so much more intricate than most fat, lazy writers? Some of the greatest trainers in the world are friends of mine. These fighters are my friends and I have a great relationship with a lot of the fighters in boxing. If they need publicity, I’ll do PR work for them for free and publish press releases for them.

I’m sorry, Deepwater…did you get your feelings hurt because I said you sounded like an a**hole? Or was it when I called you a d**khead?

Posted October 24, 2012 11:52 pm 


HHLondon

This sport is too corrupt to fix!

It’s the last bastion of legalized villainy!

Posted October 24, 2012 9:21 pm 


lefhook

test

Posted October 24, 2012 7:36 pm 


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Posted October 24, 2012 3:31 pm 


Deepwater152

So heron what is your connection to boxing? Why do you assume you care about fighters? If you really did care about boxers you wouldn’t try and excuse a steroid cheat . If you care about boxers health then you can’t excuse steroid cheats. Contradictions do not exist so your premise that you care about boxers is false. I don’t think you have ever been in a ring but I am sure you have been slapped around because of your big mouth.again I call you out for a 3 round bout or a good spar. I will donate $1000 to a charity of your choice if you can win. You have no credibility in the boxing world your just an avid enthusiast who couldn’t ever get in the ring.

Posted October 24, 2012 2:01 pm 


te tumbo

I Agree. Herron should take pride in all of the attention he’s getting from ESB regs. just look at all the ESB regs coming back just for the discussion sparked by Herron’s article? IMO, interested readers are the ultimate validation of a writer’s ability not praise.

Posted October 24, 2012 1:57 pm 


Boxtradamus

YOU just write the stories and then defer to MY analysis.

Posted October 24, 2012 1:16 pm 


Boxtradamus

Joseph Herron-Even though your angle is OFF sometimes KEEP the stories coming. GOOD writing. At least you can spark some GOOD conversation. You’re a BETTER writer than Kid Blast.

Posted October 24, 2012 1:16 pm 


Boxtradamus

AD-Doctor’s permits don’t work in retrospect. SO there is NO doctor’s permit that allows you to take illegal (at the time that you took them) PED’s….Well unless you’re Lamont Peterson of course.

Posted October 24, 2012 1:14 pm 


Deepwater152

Hey Herron you called me that? Way to get your ideas across. I like boxers. I am a boxer. I still have my amateur book. Call gleasons gym in ny and ask mr Bruce silverglaid to match against deep water. Your a bum that never got in a ring. Your a bum who can’t back up his words. Come on old bum. Back it up. Your a bum who wishes you could be me.

Posted October 24, 2012 12:54 pm 


Da UnKnown Comic

Although you make a good point about Golden Boy’s issues on hypocrisy, there is NO way you should be defending Lamont Cheaterson.

Posted October 24, 2012 10:39 am 


TARK

LOL….A boxer’s union is tangential topic and a diversion Herron… It has NOTHING to do with Peterson’s deliberate drug use. Again I ask you—WHY claim you’re clean and insist on Sample B testing??? It looks like Peterson’s team didn’t get their alibi cooked up and ready to serve. But when Sample B came back positive they finally had their story together.., “Oh yeah another positive test you say? Well…the way it goes down is like this—and this might shock you but Lamont actually DID take testosterone–but it’s not what you think…not at all…Lamont didn’t mean to cheat at all… What it was you see, Lamont has naturally low testosterone can you believe it? And his doctor thought…”

Posted October 24, 2012 10:24 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

Did Peterson grow up in the same neigbourhood as Lance Armstrong? ;-)

Posted October 24, 2012 10:12 am 


te tumbo

if Herron is lamenting the lack of a boxer’s union to defend Peterson’s intentional negligence, then i’m glad that no such union exists. i’m actually pro-union but sick and tired of them defending and protecting incompetent and remorseless individuals, which only promotes even more incompetence and negligence among the rank-and-file. i know a few Teamsters and the their toothless “last and final” ultimatum to their members for everything from incompetence to testing dirty has become a punchline.

Posted October 24, 2012 9:42 am 


Gerry

Joseph, I’m totally behind the idea of better representation of boxers. I don’t think many here would disagree. However, the Peterson issue just isn’t a good example of why it’s needed.

With Peterson, whether he intended to cheat or not is totally irrelevant. He should still be stripped and punished. If a precedent is set now where a fighter can take testosterone without declaring it through the proper channels it opens the sport up to abuse. Next time someone wants to take testosterone they just need to make sure their dodgy doctor is prepared to say they had a low count and say ‘I forgot to tell anyone too!’. If you don’t punish Lamont, how can you then punish others?

Posted October 24, 2012 9:06 am 


Joseph Herron

Ash…with all due respect, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Posted October 24, 2012 7:35 am 


Scott

Is this article for real? The bloke is a cheat. He should not be allowed to box again.

Posted October 24, 2012 7:33 am 


Marilyn13

Boxtradamus, picking up on parking and intent. Of course we’re at a disadvantage here in not knowing where each other is from… I’m from the UK. Here, if you suffer from restricted mobility you can – with medical support – be issued with a disabled parking permit. This allows you to park in disabled parking spaces (which would be an offence if you didn’t have the badge) or even by the side of the road where it’s marked buy double-yellow lines (likewise an offence under normal circumstances). So it is possible to get a permit on health grounds to park in a way which would be illegal for others. And while intent may not have a bearing on whether an act is illegal or not, it certainly has an impact on the nature – and severity – of the crime e.g. manslaughter vs murder.

Posted October 24, 2012 7:29 am 


Joseph Herron

Deepwater, are you sure you’re a fan of boxing?

Because your inquiries about why the fighters need a union makes you sound like an a**hole.

Every major sport has proper representation. it sounds like you’re comparing the boxing industry to the music industry and you should.

They’re very similar…but they have a songwriters guild…they have unions that take care of musicians and make sure they receive residual income. there’s an actors guild…there’s an NFL Players union, MLB, NBA…but nothing for the fighters.

When a fighter gets injured during training camp and can’t make it to fight night…guess what? he gets nothing.

When a fighter gets screwed by a promoter or wrongly fined or suspended by a commission, most fighters don’t have the money for proper representation.

When a fighter dedicates his life to the sport of boxing and his career ends because of a back, neck, or knee injury, what happens to these guys?

There’s no retirement pension or secondary job placement.

These guys are left out in the cold.

But who cares? Your condescending questions don’t make your argument sound more intelligent…quite the contrary.

“Who will run it? This author?”…maybe I will, d**khead. because unlike you, I actually care about the fighters and this sport!

Posted October 24, 2012 7:11 am 


ASh

Well this writer is clearly on the payroll of team peterson. The Boxing Monthly Magazine had an article on the PED issue.

What is clear is that even Barry Hunter was unaware, that Peterson had taken Testorone, secondly there a plenty of Quality clinics in Peterson homecity but to avoid Detection Peterson travelled secretly to a small clinic in Nevada to have a Testorone injections. The clinic is so small that even Nevada state Athletic commision had never heard of it. More importantly he failed to declare Medical intent to the commission.

Only victim in this entire saga is Khan who got Jacked by corrupt officials, and a corrupt boxer.

Posted October 24, 2012 6:48 am 


Deepwater152

The thing is this boxer doesn’t have a paying fan base. He doesn’t put people into seats. He has a decent style but nothing spectacular . He is boring in interviews . Boxing is corrupt but pro boxing is sports entertainment . As a boxer you must entertain . As far as the steroid mess it stops with the idiot not reporting it on the forms.if its medical then it’s ok to report it.ignorance is no excuse and a ban should be on that reason alone. Plus this team has been to the dance before and know exactly what’s going on. Shame on this writer or making excuses and justifying stupid illegal behavior. The idiot boxer should step up his pr game since he doesn’t have a knockout punch. As far as crying for a boxer union because a guy trained 2 months for a 4000 fight. Why did he take the fight if he thought it was not enough? Some guys make a lot less then that and would be happy for that money. Why doesn’t the boxer get a pr team and do ad campaigns and bring In more fan base.? Get better people and step up your game. Boxing is like anything else you get a chance to box and work your way up for the big chance one day. It doesn’t come easy. Who will pay for this union and it’s employees? Who will run it? This author? How much does he want? How much dues will come out of fighters purse? What if fighter doesn’t fight for year, is dues still required? If promoters pay most will promoters have unfair influence over union? Who really Benifits from union?

Posted October 24, 2012 5:32 am 


Deepwater

Lol

Posted October 24, 2012 5:15 am 


Neil (pomy)

… it is a testiment to the fact that boxing is still a very corrupt sport.

Posted October 24, 2012 4:51 am 


Neil (pomy)

Like I said earlier …. when a legitimate and respectable anti-doping agency exonorates Peterson; then and only then will my opinion of Peterson being a PED user will change. The IBF, and the rest of the alphabet-boys, are all political, self-serving crooks. HE should of been banned.

Posted October 24, 2012 4:49 am 


Gerry

Personally I’ve got no sympathy for Peterson. Drugs in sport is not a particularly new issue and therefore at best it was major incompetence in failing to inform the authorities of his testosterone replacement. Claiming he didn’t think it was necessary is laughable. At worst it was intentional cheating. Either way he should take the punishment on the chin.

In football, Rio Ferdinand missed a random drugs test and was then banned for 8 months and missed a major international tournament. No proof of cheating, just missed the test. Yet here we have proof of taking a banned substance without informing the authorities and he’s let off?

Boxing has to be a clean sport given the dangers involved. If you genuinely have a testosterone deficiency (which I have to say I’m dubious of in this case) then I’m afraid you just have to deal with the hand you’ve been given and work around it.

Posted October 24, 2012 3:12 am 


Harry C

I agree with your opinion in regards to a fighters union. For a long time all fighters have been used as a comodities by promoters at both ends of the boxing spectrum.
Your small hall fighters dont always get the medical attention required and the top fighters can be used as cash cows although they may themselves want to challenge themselve against another elite fighter. These 2 types of fighter both require some sort of impartial representation which a union would give them.

In regards to Petersen and all the other fighters testing positive for PED’s, there needs to be a universe policy on what happens if a test returns postive.
In my opinion, if the A and B sample come back as positive they should be banned for a minimum of 18 months, simple.

Posted October 24, 2012 2:50 am 


Joseph Herron

Guys, I love all of the different points of view on this forum and there are a lot of validity to several arguments.

But with all of the talk of the positive testing, it really threw me off of the original reason why I did the story.

There’s a much grander underlying issue here.

It’s the fighters. The heart and soul of the sport being used as pawns.

They’re the disposable heroes of the sweet science.

The promoters can do what they will with the lives of the these athletes. These men are like marionettes…hanging by a thread in this very painful sport.

The fighters need a voice…and the media isn’t it. So many members of the boxing media are in the palms of these promoters, trying so hard to get into their good graces.

Most of the fighters in this sport are dirt poor…even the athletes who make it on regional television.

A very good friend of mine just won a minor title in California last month…would anyone like to guess how much he got paid for the ten round main event?

$4,000.00

He spent an entire two months preparing for this opportunity and suffered through camp while killing himself to make 112 pounds…a weight he hadn’t competed in for years.

But with that hope of one day landing that big fight, he tortured himself.

Just for the symbolic piece of metal that now hangs on his wall.

He’s not signed to a big named promoter…in fact, he wasn’t supposed to win.

he was simply supposed to be a trajectory opponent for their up and coming prospect.

When he won, he thought promoters would be calling him with offers for much bigger paydays…he’s still waiting.

These fighters need a voice…a fighter’s union.

This is a sport of “have’s” and “have not’s”

That was the original purpose for my article.

Posted October 24, 2012 2:33 am 


AD

If Tim Bradley is being offered 2.3 million by TopRank or whatever it is to face Peterson that isn`t the industry trying to ostracise him – that is the industry trying to get him a fight with a guy who has just (one the scorecards at least) beaten the no2 p4p in the world.
Tim Bradley didn`t say no because of Petersons drug test, he said no because he didn`t find it interesting.
The reason he doesn`t find it interesting is because the basis for Petersons leap in marketability has crumbled – some of this is the positive test, some is the controversy of the Khan fight itself in terms of refereeing decisions and scoredcards, but a large chunk of it is that Garcia laying Khan out in 4 makes Petersons controversial, squeaky, SD, with a positive drug test worth a hell of a lot less. Garcia and Matthysses stock are higher than Petersons at the moment purely on performance.

Posted October 24, 2012 12:44 am 


TARK

Peterson needs independent doctors to verify his physical condition if he wants to get a pass to use banned PEDs. He knows he can’t just secretly use them because his doctor prescribed them. And why would Peterson’s team insist on testing Sample B if they knew he was taking testosterone??? This makes no sense at all and I don’t believe him. You can’t take the Bob Arum approach and believe every story. Everyone would be claiming they took contaminated supplements or ate contaminated food if they get caught, and expect to slide like Peterson, Morales, and Berto. Or they’d get a doctor to perscribe the banned PED. Chavez could have gotten a doctor to prescribe medical marijuana but it still wouldn’t fly. In the Olympics they have a zero tolerance policy and extremely sophisticated testing. They’re getting higher and higher compliance rates … World records were being broken left and right by clean athletes in this last Olympics, so nobody needs to dope.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:36 pm 


te tumbo

i think the way Garcia is coming up gives him built-in crossover appeal and quite frankly because of who he is. he’s American with a “latin” flavor and what’s more American than that these days? he’s got strong connections to both is what i’m saying and that makes him very marketable as long as he continues to win the way he’s winning, which is likely. even now, it’s difficult to favor him over Mathysse, Marquez, or even Khan in a rematch.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:27 pm 


Chip

Yeah, I know that the supplement was used to make weight to fight Garcia for his title and so that he would not have to forfeit some of his paycheck. But I do agree that it is still cheating and it’s not entirely different than using PED’s.

And Joseph Herron, Khan is not that popular at all outside of Britain. He is Garcia has way more widespread/cash-worthy apeeal. Besides being a knock-out artist, he is Puerto Rican. It’s not too hard to market that combination to legions of latin boxing fans and even everyone else in the US.

What did Peterson expect when he used PED’s? You don’t pull that against big name promoter organizations like Golden Boy and not expect to face some consequences. And the public in general is not in the mood to watch a PED-using athlete given what we are seeing play out these days involving Lance Armstrong.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:10 pm 


AD

Chip – a weight loss supplement is intended to artificially get you down to a weight that you couldn`t otherwise make. By being in that weight class you are fighting guys who you will be bigger and stronger than, so it isn`t entriely different. There are all kinds of ways to cheat other than to take anabolic S-words.

Posted October 23, 2012 10:44 pm 


Chip

You have got to be kidding me? Peterson is being “ostracized”. He tested postive for PED (synthetic testosterone). Your interpretation is just so jaded and skewed.

You forgot to mention that:

1)Peterson lives and trains in DC. Why on earth would he need to go some isolated clinic in Vegas for testosterone replacement therapy? There are numerous world class endocrinologists in the whole DC-Maryland-Virginia area who would give him that treatment if it was justified in their minds.

2)Morales should not have been allowed to fight, but he was not caught with a PED (i.e. an anabolic). He was caught with a weight loss supplement. It’s still illegal but it was very different from taking something that will make you faster and stronger.

3)It’s no surprise that the IBF “exhonerated” him with their independent review. Their shennanigans also played a part in him winning the title in the first place. What the heck was that so called friend or associate of the IBF (Mustafa Ameen) doing with the judges and their score cards? Why did the score cards look as if they had been tampered with afterwards?

4)When you test positive for PED’s (anabolics) you should not be surprised that there is going to be backlash from the media, the public, and the promoters/fighters that you. you screwed over.

Posted October 23, 2012 9:29 pm 


AD

“NO doctor’s permit that allows you to take illegal PED’s”…….We might be mixing the law with sporting regulations here. Testosterone isn`t illegal. Heroin is illegal, coke is illegal etc. Testosterone is controlled – you need to be prescribed it for it to be legal to possess/take.
Most PED’s were initially invented to treat an actual medical condition (e.g. EPO’s treat anaemia in renal cancer patients etc).
If you have the condition you can take the drug legally, and if you apply for a therapeutic use exemption you can take it and participate in a sport. The crux is that you have to be open and honest about it and apply upfront.

Posted October 23, 2012 9:23 pm 


Whiteyfiveo

I agree with the fact that he broke the Rules. So there should be a ban, just like Chavez. He took it, period. NO medical reason matters. I dont believe he has problems anyways… HE cheated and got caught.

Posted October 23, 2012 9:08 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“There IS NO badge or parking permit that allows you to park illegally and there’s NO doctor’s permit that allows you to take illegal PED’s….GOOD try but NO cigar. Again, INTENT is no factor in whether something legal or illegal. Either you DID it or you DIDN’T.” – For the first time in probably years, I cosign Boxtra’s comment.

Posted October 23, 2012 9:06 pm 


Fight Aficionado

You can choose to believe that Joseph Herron. Others don’t buy Peterson’s excuse. Synthetic te*stosterone is a performance enhancing drug. Low test*osterone levels are a direct side effect of long term juicing. Peterson, unlike Lance Armstrong, tested positive. That’s a fact. Your reasoning is an interpretation of that fact.

Posted October 23, 2012 9:05 pm 


te tumbo

HERRON, dispute the facts associated with my “negative” and “confrontational” posts all you want Orrr educate me by targeting the flaws in my posts with the Documented Boxing Facts. otherwise, spare me the keyboard psycho-therapy, which only betrays uncertainty about the boxing topic at hand and incites even more “negative” and “confrontational” challenges from me. i’m simply too quick a study to devote that much energy to process when the logical outcomes are already staring us in the face. Peace but “defend yourself at ALL times”.

Posted October 23, 2012 9:02 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Nobody’s ostracizing Peterson. His cheating and his being a juicehead is what put his career on the skids.

Posted October 23, 2012 8:31 pm 


Fight Aficionado

This headline is ridiculous. Nobody’s ostracizing Peterson. His cheating and drug abuse is what derailed his career. Get off the testosterone.

Posted October 23, 2012 8:30 pm 


Boxtradamus

There IS NO badge or parking permit that allows you to park illegally and there’s NO doctor’s permit that allows you to take illegal PED’s….GOOD try but NO cigar. Again, INTENT is no factor in whether something legal or illegal. Either you DID it or you DIDN’T.

Posted October 23, 2012 8:06 pm 


te tumbo

“bashing Herron” isn’t necessarily a dis. there are and have been a lot of ESB writers who are unable to incite a single passionate opinion or response to their articles. it’s the result of not “playing nice” and exposing shady practices by either defending or challenging the existing status quo. in this instance, Herron is defending the integrity of an individual boxer vis-a-vis the credibility of a sanctioning body(?!) compared to promotional interests. a complicated and dissonant approach, which takes guts of some kind if not the most intelligent or righteous type. anyway, Herron should be careful not to get all Vivek Wallace on us by adopting the beyond-reproach posture based on his irrefutable “experience” and “expertise”. nobody’s against being educated but NObody is gonna stand for being browbeat into compliance either. not on ESB we won’t.

Posted October 23, 2012 8:03 pm 


Marilyn13

That’s not the best analogy. If you had a health issue that had been professionally, medically validated then you might have the permit / badge that allowed you to park there anyway. And in any event, parking illegally wouldn’t lead to you being locked up or even banned from driving… If they could proved you parked illegally so that you could make a quick getaway from a bank robbery that would be different… But that’s an altogether different intent too.

Posted October 23, 2012 7:51 pm 


Boxtradamus

Next time I get a parking ticket I’m going to try to use Herron’s logic and tell the Judge that I did NOT intentionally break the law. I only parked there because I had a health problem.

Posted October 23, 2012 7:16 pm 


Boxtradamus

“You’re confusing a simple rule violation with an intent to cheat.”-NO I’m not. You’re confusing it. I’m comparing a rules violation to a rules violation. As I SAID before Peterson violated the rules and intent plays NO factor in that.

Posted October 23, 2012 7:14 pm 


Joseph Herron

Thanks, Trevor. I appreciate your encouragement!!

I expected this kind of reaction and I’m fine with it…I did my job in getting another side of the story in the public eye.

It’s up to the readers to decide now.

I just hope that more writers won’t be bullied by promoters and report the truth if it’s the best thing for boxing.

And a standard for drug testing is what’s best for boxing…not an inconsistent ruling by a promoter or commission with an obvious agenda.

There has to be some attention to fairness to all parties involved.

Every sport has a commissioner who resides over policies of this nature execpt for boxing. it’s a different standard from state to state.

There’s way too much hypocrisy in this great sport and there’s no way it can progress until it gains some uniformity and consistency.

Posted October 23, 2012 7:11 pm 


HHLondon

NO, the WBA did not review the evidence!

The WBA saw an angle to steal a further sanctioning fee.

Anyway, who cares about “super” belt anyway, only Khan and his nutgugging fans.

Posted October 23, 2012 7:08 pm 


Joseph Herron

lol…That’s funny, Trevor.

I disagree with many of Bob Arum’s decisions on a lot of things.

But, I do think that Bob is right on the money when it comes to the drug testing issue in boxing.

I got this quote from a conference call I sat in on in May:

“Unless everybody sits down and works through this without rhetoric, we’ll have chaos. Personally, I don’t believe Lamont Peterson is a cheater; I don’t believe Andre Berto is a cheater. With this new sophisticated testing process, I believe everyone got caught up in the positive test results, which doesn’t indicate the existence of performance enhancing drugs.”

“I think we have to hear out Lamont Peterson and get his story. I think we have to hear out Andre Berto and get his story before we jump to conclusions.”

“Secondly, I don’t believe that Peterson got any advantage over Khan, or Berto got any advantage over Ortiz based on the content that was found or allegedly from the urine samples from both fighters. That being the case, why were those fights called off? If their performance would not be enhanced, why not let the fight go on and fine them after the fight for being careless in using certain supplements that may have a trace of a banned substance?”

“I think everybody who doesn’t know about the findings of the positive test results should shut the hell up until there is an exploration of what the issues are, what’s happening here, and then we can more intelligently determine how we proceed in the future.” – Bob Arum, May 2012

Posted October 23, 2012 7:01 pm 


Trevor

It`s been a slow newsday.The only story in the news is Jerry Sandusky has been moved from the county jail to state prison,ho-hum,z-z-z-z-z-zzzzz ! a real snoozer. So to liven things up and cut through the tedious boredom somebody came up with the idea to bash Joe Herron. Don`t sweat over it, Joe. Like Tupac Shakur said ” Keep Your Head Up .”

Posted October 23, 2012 6:58 pm 


Trevor

wtf ! Oh snap ! it`s the “Let`s Bash Joseph Herron Tour ” See how quick they turn on you Joe ? Now if we could just figure out some way to bash the real culprits and villains like Bob Arum who are ruining boxing maybe we could get something done here.Then everybody could hold hands around a campfire on the beach and sing “We Are The World.”

Posted October 23, 2012 6:33 pm 


Hidalgo

Bottom line is Lamont made his bed. Now he has to lie in it.

Posted October 23, 2012 5:59 pm 


righthook

Man are you guys serious ? You guys can`t be frigging serious. Joseph Herron ignore them , they got to be bugging out and playing mind games with you because after reading some of your other articles on ESB, I can`t ever see you writing an article that is not good.

Posted October 23, 2012 5:55 pm 


AD

@J.Herron – I think perhaps though you are conflating the moral judegemt on Peterson with the pure technical rules on doping violations. I am aware of the details of the Peterson situation, and I actually accept that what he and his team have done is forget to ask for a theapeutic use exemption for the synthetic testosterone. I personally don`t think he intended to cheat – if he did it is a really strange way to go about it.
The problem however is that intent can be considered in subsequent sanction, but intent DOESN`T come into the invalidation of the results. There is strict liability.
The WADA website says “each athlete is strictly liable for the substances found in his or her bodily specimen, and that an anti-doping rule violation occurs whenever a prohibited substance (or its metabolites or markers) is found in bodily specimen, whether or not the athlete intentionally or unintentionally used a prohibited substance or was negligent or otherwise at fault.
If the sample came from an in-competition test, then the results of the athlete for that competition are automatically invalidated. This rule helps to establish fairness for the other athletes in the competition.

As relates to subsequent sanctions (Art. 10 of the Code), the athlete has the possibility to avoid or reduce sanctions if he or she can establish to the satisfaction of the tribunal how the substance entered his or her system, demonstrate that he or she was not at fault or significant fault or in certain circumstances did not intend to enhance his or her sport performance. This means that the burden of proof is on the athlete.”
So while I might support there being reduced sanctions (reduced not no sanction), it doesn`t detract from the fact that the Khan-Peterson fight result should be invalidated – and therefore Peterson cannot have won he IBF belt.

You might pass a judgement indicating that someone didn`t intend to cheat, but this doesn`t change the fact that if you have the substancce in your body without a TUE, you DID cheat.

Posted October 23, 2012 5:54 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, i am pleasantly surprised at the consistent impulse for punitive actions and condemnation by some ESB regs across nationalities. consistency i can respect. it’s double-standards that I actively despise and DISrespect.

Posted October 23, 2012 5:33 pm 


te tumbo

“intent is everything when trying to prove that someone is a cheater”(?). strictly speaking, this logic would also absolve Margarito of any wrongdoing or “cheating”. after all, he’s consistently claimed ignorance regarding the handwrap incident and nothing about his subsequent actions or behavior has ever indicated otherwise. i wonder if Herron is consistent or unbiased enough to apply the same legal logic he applied to absolve Peterson to also absolve a less “American” fighter?

Posted October 23, 2012 5:29 pm 


Anonymous

everyone and their brother think their getting close to a shot at mayweather , or pac, its greed pure and simple.

Posted October 23, 2012 5:28 pm 


Itch BL

Nice Article Joseph It seems a bit rich to me that there has been such a smear campaign against him when you consider what others have done yet they haven't faced such consequences. It is blatant double standards. Hbo didn't seem to have any concerns about welcoming Margarito back onto there airwaves after he where plaster of paris handwraps. Neither of the matches u mentioned is more enticing than Judah v Peterson either but it wouldn't be suprising if the big promoters werent happy about him not signing a long term contract with them. Although didn't Top Rank have both Peterson brothers on there books at one time without really furthering there career.

Posted October 23, 2012 4:59 pm 


Marilyn13

As you note Tark, Herron says Peterson was not found guilty of wrongdoing by anyone who reviewed ALL the evidence. The WBA, as I recall, reviewed some evidence but not any provided by Peterson. Still, keeps things simple I suppose. We could transfer the approach to criminal proceedings and dispense with trials and all sorts of boring stuff like that. Save a shed load of money that way.

Posted October 23, 2012 4:41 pm 


TARK

The IBF stinks…. Herron says., “Lamont has never been found guilty of any wrong doing by anyone who has reviewed all of the evidence.” … The WBA reviewed the evidence and stripped Peterson of the 140-pound title. The IBF has Zab Judah listed as their number one world ranked contender—followed by “not ranked”, Mike Alvarado, and Kendal Holt … How credible are these jackasses??? They’re not at all… They’re political.

Posted October 23, 2012 4:28 pm 


jojo

No your right, The IBF did a great job, they certainly had the judging down to a T. Not to mention the celebratory man in the hat lol. long live the IBF. Oh yeah and sorry I meant Pederson.

Posted October 23, 2012 4:13 pm 


Marilyn13

You’re right. No wonder Peterson argued so long and hard that he shouldn’t have to take any test, he knew he had so much to hide. Oops, hang on though, it was Peterson that DEMANDED the testing regime. Oh well then, how sneaky and cunning he was to insist upon the tests that caught him out. And God damn the corrupt, dishonest IBF for being the only organisation to bother to investigate properly! We’re far better off making decisions based on rumour and heresay, not to mention the propaganda and profits of GBP. And who is Chesterson anyway?

Posted October 23, 2012 3:48 pm 


Barry

Herron, No true Boxing fan or sports fan could ever write a whole article in support of a drugs cheat. You Sir are a disgrace!

Posted October 23, 2012 3:46 pm 


Jason

Herron, No true Boxing fan or sports fan could ever write a whole article in support of a drugs cheat. You Sir are a disgrace!

Posted October 23, 2012 3:45 pm 


TARK

Herron…. You don’t NEED, “Proper discovery and examination of supportive evidence.” …An accredited UCLA laboratory for Olympic style drug testing did the testing of both urine samples. The test results were dead accurate because Lamont finally admitted he took the banned drugs following sampe B tests—so why all the mysterious talk about the tests. The only thing left is deciding what penalty to impose for using banned PEDs. All the rest is politics, excuses, and greasing the pockets of the guys who control whether Peterson fights or not.. That’s the course they took.. Boxers cannot take banned PEDs even when a doctor prescribes them, PERIOD. It would be easy to get a medical doctor to prescribe medical marijuana for Chavez, but that wouldn’t fly because it’s BANNED for pro boxers.

Posted October 23, 2012 3:38 pm 


jojo

Even for the sake of argument lets say Chesterson was not on Peds. Then he should still be band for not disclosing the fact that he took these substances! And he wad indeed asked about this before, during and after the tests where taken.

Posted October 23, 2012 3:27 pm 


jojo

@Marilyn13,

Pettersons totesterone levels where seven times above normal and that was some time after the fight when the Peds where wearing off lol.

Posted October 23, 2012 3:23 pm 


Anonymous

lots of reasons for positive tests down to lots of things as simple as cough medicine or even some lip balms. I'm not saying he was or wasnt guilty I don't know but a positive test doesn't mean he was definitely trying to gain an advantage and if he was ultimately cleared then that would suggest he was not trying to gain an advantage or using performance enhancing drugs. I would like to see what exactly did cause the positive result. one thing I agree with more then everything in this article is that some get destroyed for what appears to be innocuous positive results and others, like chavez jr, can skip tests, refuse to give tests, fail tests on numerous occasions but are still allowed to box on with no major punishment. its not fair, a clear line needs to be drawn for everyone and convicted cheats, like chaves jnr, banned for life!

Posted October 23, 2012 3:13 pm 


TARK

Reviewed all of the evidence???? Herron… If you want a ban lifted you grease the guys who can lift it. If you don’t want a ban imposed you get an executive hearing going and grease the powers that be. Since when has any boxing org or body done anything except for their own benefit and interest? They’ll rank their guy World Champ and not rank the best fighters in the division ANYWHERE—except for ranking them “not ranked.” How ridiculous is that??? Boxing is controlled by two kinds of people: people who genuinely love boxing—of which there’re few, and who mostly reside in Europe and Latin America these days—and avaricious individuals who will sell their relatives into slavery if the take is succulent enough. To these folks, Boxing is their cash cow … and it’s fee for service.

Posted October 23, 2012 3:06 pm 


knowall

dirty cheat cheat cheat

Posted October 23, 2012 2:55 pm 


Marilyn13

Surely it’s about time this was twisted into an anti-Khan conversation? We could recall that when the news of the positive test broke, Khan observed that he KNEW Peterson was on something… Because that was the only way Peterson could have climbed off the floor after Khan knocked him down twice in the first round! The profound and blinded vanity in that remark is only rendered more ironic by the revelation that Peterson’s “medication” merely elevated his testosterone to normal levels… But of course Khan’s mouth runs entirely on natural ability without the need for chemical supplements.

Posted October 23, 2012 2:40 pm 


Anonymous

He is a cheat, spare me dude.

Posted October 23, 2012 2:17 pm 


Rich

Raybans !!!!!!!!!…..

Posted October 23, 2012 2:09 pm 


Joseph Herron

Kingslayer, what’s so funny about the added info?

Posted October 23, 2012 2:00 pm 


The Kingslayer

lol at posting a link from the IBF’s findings.

Posted October 23, 2012 1:53 pm 


Joseph Herron

Thanks, Russian Tyson.

Your kind words humble me.

Posted October 23, 2012 1:47 pm 


RAY GORDON REID

YES TIME 1.45 PM 1O/23/ 2012

Posted October 23, 2012 1:41 pm 


Joseph Herron

Look guys, it’s pretty simple.

If he were signed by Golden Boy Promotions, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

Think, guys!!

Posted October 23, 2012 1:34 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark, I’m not the only one who is “naive as hell” then because Lamont has never been found guilty of any wrong doing by anyone who has reviewed all of the evidence.

I’m really surprised that you of all people are trying so hard to disprove my findings.

It sounds like you guys really want Lamont to be guilty of cheating.

Why?

Posted October 23, 2012 1:32 pm 


Joseph Herron

Boxtra, that’s a horrible analogy.

You’re confusing a simple rule violation with an intent to cheat.

Posted October 23, 2012 1:29 pm 


Joseph Herron

Curtley, I’m sorry if my comments sound elitist to you, but the truth of the matter is that I am better informed and that’s the entire purpose of me writing the article.

I want everyone to get informed of what transpired and what is still unfolding to this young man’s career.

I simply don’t understand why everyone here is trying so hard to debunk my findings instead of viewing them through a clear scope.

I’m a journalist and I am one of the more fair journalists in the entire sport.

Ask any of the fighters, managers, trainers, or promoters that I have written stories on…I always conduct the interview with a clear mind without predetermined bias.

I hope it comes through in my writing.

Thanks for reading and I apologize if my comments come across sounding too smug…that’s not my intent.

Posted October 23, 2012 1:22 pm 


maracho

You see what GBP did to Lopez for breaking their boy’s jaw. Oh and look what SHO seems to be doing to Kayode for exposing Tarvers roidz rage

Posted October 23, 2012 1:03 pm 


Boxtradamus

Herron-INTENT is no factor in cheating. When a guy jumps the gun in the Olympics he’s thrown out. Do you think he INTENDED to jump the gun??? NO. He accidentally jumped the gun but TOO BAD. Either you cheated or you didn’t. ALL CHEATING should be punished or you’ll end up letting SLICK TALKERS slide BY because they’ll FOOL YOU into believing that the INTENT was not there.

Posted October 23, 2012 1:02 pm 


Curtley

Problem with your stance is that it then gives others the opportunity for excuses like ‘I took an over the counter cold remedy (which by the way many athletes have been banned for’, I definately do not want Peterson to become a pariah as he seems like a genuine rags to riches guy but he ‘broke the rules’ even if he did not knowingly cheat but the non disclosure is all the evidence I need of intention.

Posted October 23, 2012 1:02 pm 


Boxtradamus

Also IF he honestly didn’t intend to take illegal drugs then he should have been SUING the doctor for LOSS of earnings on the Khan rematch. But I have SEEN no lawsuit. Which brings the actual intent in question. Until someone invents a mind reader intent cannot be proven. That’s why the first defense from offenders are that they didn’t INTEND to do it. But the FACT CAN be proven….The FACT is that Peterson took illegal PED’s and his intent doesn’t get him off the hook in MY book.

Posted October 23, 2012 1:00 pm 


Curtley

Come on Mr Herron surely regardless of being better informed than us plebs which is how your comments read surely you are not Naive enough to think that ther reason Lamont did not disclose the use of the implants was anything other than he knew they would not be allowed. Please use some common sense if he thought that it would not be a problem he would have disclosed it or even more sensibly checked with the commission.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:57 pm 


Joseph Herron

Boxtra, intent is everything when trying to prove that someone is a cheater.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:55 pm 


Boxtradamus

I don’t condone cheating. And Peterson is a CHEATER. Intent is irrelevant. Either you cheated or you didn’t. And Peterson CHEATED…..Just ask the basketball Player Jayson Williams. He didn’t INTEND to shoot and kill a guy but he did it by accident. The guy didn’t jump UP from the dead like Lazarus just because Williams didn’t INTEND to shoot him. The results remained the same…..The result IS that Peterson took illegal drugs and intent is no factor in that.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:52 pm 


Joseph Herron

Most people state that as an incriminating fact, but it’s not.

In reality, all lamont had to do was not admit to his procedure that was done in October of 2011, and he would have ended up being negative in the following test result.

But Lamont was honest about it and didn’t realize that he was doing anything wrong. His doctors informed him that it wouldn’t be for an athletic advantage so he didn’t disclose it.

The procedure was supposed to merely bring his testosterone levels back to normal for a man his age.

His pellets merely spiked during the time the second test was administered.

The test closest to the fight came back negative.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:39 pm 


Curtley

To Joseph Herron its not the getting caught that incriminates Peterson but the fact that he failed to inform anyone of his ‘implants’ until he got caught. This is irrefutable evidence that he knew he would not be allowed to fight under those circustances so whatever his ‘intentions’ may have been means he cheated as ‘knowingly broke the rules’

Posted October 23, 2012 12:32 pm 


Raybans

Agree with Tark; if Peterson wasn’t cheating he would/should have declared his power pellets up front rather than after test B came back positive. His team were buying time to think of an excuse. Whenever someone is caught they’ll always have an excuse and if let off then whats the point of testing.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:29 pm 


Joseph Herron

It’s amazing how most people who read this will have the frame of mind that if I don’t automatically assume that he’s a cheater, then I ultimately have an agenda.

Dude, it’s because I don’t have an agenda that I can see what really happened here…judge slowly, guys.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:26 pm 


Joseph Herron

I’m sorry, cheese cake…am I not making sense to anyone right now?

Anyone who takes the time to review the information without bias will see that Lamont Peterson is not guilty of any malicious intent.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:19 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark, that’s not the point.

It was the blatant double standard and obvious Golden Boy bias in which the two situations were handled.

Ask yourself, if Berto tested positive in June, why is Golden Boy pitting their fighter against him on November 24th?

They know they made a mistake by acting too hastily and cancelling the two fight cards in question.

Both men were not suspended because they did nothing wrong.

The only thing Lamont did wrong was not disclosing his condition to the anti-doping agency before the test was administered.

But it was determined by independent doctors that Lamont and Berto were not trying to gain an athletic advantage.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:16 pm 


Cheese Cake

Joseph Herron speak sense.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:16 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark, sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about the subject so there’s really no point in me discussing this with you.

I really feel bad for Lamont.

I guess in boxing a fighter in guilty until proven innocent.

When a fighter creates that doubt by testing positive, than the onus is ultimately on him.

But when a fighter does everything he can to present the evidence that should theoretically clear his name and he still gets drilled for cheating, it’s just not right.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:11 pm 


TARK

At this point what help are PEDs going to be to Erik Morales anyway??? He didn’t test positive for synthetic testosterone, which is banned everywhere, and he’s done anyway. I don’t think Erik should have been allowed to fight but he got his payback from Danny Garcia who told him, “I’m going to bleep you up for using PEDs MFer” among a few other choice words from Danny.” …. Remember, Cheato was allowed to fight right after he tried to plasterize his hand wraps. Mosley gave Cheato his sanction in brutal fashion. I’ve never seen Mosley so execised or motivated to smash somebody into the canvas. Shane was Hell on wheels after Nazim told him what happened.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:07 pm 


Neil (pomy)

For most people, he will be a PED user until he is exonorated by a legitmate, anti-doping organistaion. The IBF is certainly not that!!!!!! They are one of many money-obcessed, corrupt aphabet groups that have all but ruined this once great sport.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:06 pm 


Joseph Herron

My goodness, Tumbo…you’re about as sharp as a marble.

I would cut you down, but the good Lord already beat me to it.

Have a good day, man…I’ll pray for you.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:45 am 


te tumbo

“why was Chavez Jr. suspended and not Lamont Peterson?” i think Neil (pomy) already answered that question. another way to put it is: where is Herron’s sympathetic article on behalf of Junior for puffing/sipping some maryjane to Lose weight NOT using PEDs to gain muscle, speed, and power?

Posted October 23, 2012 11:44 am 


te tumbo

i’m actually more insulted by Herron’s shilling on behalf of Judah?!? where the F(!) has he been for the past five years? Zab WAS a top-5 welter until he lost to Baldomir(?!), followed by Mayweather, Cotto, Clottey, Annnd Mathysse. he remains a dangerous gatekeeper but he is no threat to take over at 140lbs and after a review of the big paydays he’s already earned (squandered?) it’s time to make room for the next generation of fighters and earners at welter.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:41 am 


Joseph Herron

Kingslayer, since when does a positive test in sports prove an intent to defraud?

Ask yourself, guys…why was Chavez Jr. suspended and not Lamont Peterson?

Think, guys…that’s the entire object of the article.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:38 am 


te tumbo

that’s right HERRON. deflect with anything and everything except with the details of your due “diligence”. based on this pap, it already seems that half your brain has vacated your spacious skull.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:38 am 


Neil (pomy)

No corrupt, money-obcessed organisation is in a place to exonorate anyone. It is like having your integrity confirmed by a theif … ie. worthless.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:36 am 


te tumbo

Btw, Peterson hardly looked promising v. Khan. capable and perhaps even formidable but imminently beatable. you need to learn how to watch a matchup without the red, white, and blue lenses.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:36 am 


The Kingslayer

He failed a drugs tests what more is their to say.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:35 am 


Joseph Herron

Good morning to you, Tumbo.

My only agenda is pro boxing and pro fairness.

But, to an overtly negative and close minded person like yourself, you’re not going to understand half of what I write.

I would debate you on this topic, but I would have to extricate half of my brain for it to be a fair fight.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:33 am 


te tumbo

“If [Peterson] was boxing anywhere outside of the USA; he would of recieved a lengthy ban. He has got off with it becuase boxing is as corrupt as hell ….. especially in the states” Co-Sign. i will continue to “ostracize” Peterson until a credible authority or news source exonerates him with responsible actions or actual Facts.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:33 am 


Joseph Herron

Tark, that’s my point exactly.

If the same situation happened to a great fighter like Amir Khan, this article would be written for him as well.

The drug testing in boxing is a complete joke.

Unless it’s adminstered by a neutral party and is consistent throughout the sport with the same standards of testing and consequences, it will always be a complete joke.

As it stands right now, the promoters and the state athletic commissions all hold the fighters accountable,

Look what happened to Morales this past weekend.

He tested positive but was given the benefit of the doubt because he is a Golden Boy fighter.

Lamont and Andre Berto weren’t signed to GBP…look how they were treated in comparison.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:30 am 


te tumbo

“Although Lamont was eventually exonerated by the IBF after an extensive examination . . .” WTF does that mean? De-Tails IF you’re going to claim due diligence. Btw, anybody still shilling on behalf of Zab Judah(?!) is a clueless “expert” with a biased agenda. otherwise, Mathysse proved where Zab stands in any true fight-fan’s rankings, i.e., gatekeeper At-Most . . . didn’t take long for “Mr. Herron” to expose HIS agenda and it ain’t objective reporting of the Documented Boxing Facts.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:30 am 


Neil (pomy)

If I missed the part in your article where Peterson was exonorated by a legitimate authority – please let me know …… but I wouldnt trust the IBF (or any alphabet organisation) with anything.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:28 am 


Neil (pomy)

Exonerated by the IBF …. you have to be joking. I am sorry Joseph, but that is not an exonoration I trust. The WBC, WBO, IBF and the WBA are all as corrupt as you can get. Boxing, as a sport, has more crooks in places of power more than any other sport around today. IF it was an independant, nationwide authority on PEDS … then I would believe it …. but not the IBF by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:26 am 


TARK

Herron….., What would the reaction from Peterson’s fans be if Khan tested positive for banned PEDs and came up with Lamont’s lame excuse, “I’m being treated for low testosterone.” … They’d laugh their asses off with jokes galore—and you’d never hear the end of it.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:20 am 


Neil (pomy)

Peterson is a drugs cheat, he has never been exonerated by any legitimate organisation. The guy IS a drugs cheat. If he was boxing anywhere outside of the USA; he would of recieved a lengthy ban. He has got off with it becuase boxing is as corrupt as hell ….. especially in the states.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:19 am 


Joseph Herron

It’s in the article, Neil.

After doing my diligence when the news first broke back in May, I knew he wasn’t guilty of cheating.

I knew Lamont would be exonerated by anyone who reviewed the evidence.

Lamont really should think about taking Golden Boy and the NSAC to court for defamation of character.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:19 am 


TARK

Herron….. I’m amazed to hear you excuse Peterson for using PED’s since you’re generally an upholder of rules. Let’s look at the facts. The Peterson team asked for Olympic style drug testing because they suspected Khan of using PED’s. Lamont’s urine specimens were tested at an accredited Olympic drug testing laboratory on the campus of UCLA. When sample A—and the lab did many tests of that sample to substantiate the results—came back positive for synthetic testosterone, the Peterson team insisted it was a false positive and wanted follow up tests. These follow up tests were conducted on sample B and positively substantiated the results from sample A. After the second round of tests Peterson’s team finally admitted Lamont took banned synthetic testosterone which can enhance an athlete’s physical strength. HELLO!!! At what point do you finally fess up??? Apparently they were amazed they got caught. Peterson should be banned for 2 years as an example to other cheaters—even if his team insists he “inadvertently” broke the rules. I don’t buy it. We either enforce rules or we don’t. With no consequences for breaking rules we defraud the public.

Posted October 23, 2012 11:17 am 


Neil (pomy)

exonerated by who? when? and where?

Posted October 23, 2012 11:13 am 


Joseph Herron

You know, I really like Amir Khan. But he and his promoter, GBP, really handled that situation poorly.

But Karma always has the last laugh.

Golden Boy and Amir Khan thought they were getting the WBA title back to face a “lesser” opponent in Danny Garcia.

Look what happened.

Paybacks are ruthless!!

Posted October 23, 2012 10:40 am 


jaylow

The only way Cheaterson can get some respect back is by fighting Khan in a rematch……Fair!

Posted October 23, 2012 10:24 am 


jaylow

yay yay Cheaterson

Posted October 23, 2012 10:23 am 


4real

The only way Cheaterson can clear his name is by a Khan rematch fair and squire!

Posted October 23, 2012 10:22 am 


4real

Khan beat noth Cheaterson and Judah and they where both juiced up to the max. Judah had never looked as physicly great as he did on the scales and Cheaterson came in over 15 punds heavier on fight night.

Posted October 23, 2012 10:21 am 


Joseph Herron

Is everyone still under the impression that Lamont is a “cheater” even after he was exonerated of all wrong doing?

It’s a shame how powerful negative perception has become in today’s society.

It’s almost like Golden Boy conducted their own version of the Salem Witch Trials with Lamont Peterson and Andre Berto as the likely suspects.

Ignorance is alive and well in the 21st century!!

Posted October 23, 2012 10:20 am 


Jehanzeb

He is a chear, spare me dude!!

Posted October 23, 2012 10:18 am 


Charlottteville

He is Lance Armstrong ver. 2.0. Get out of boxing Lamont. We dont want you here.

Posted October 23, 2012 10:16 am 


Neil (pomy)

Peterson is a drugs cheat, he is irrelevant.

Posted October 23, 2012 9:47 am 



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