Boxing

post comment

DaTruth Hurtzzz

Brandon Rios got busted using Steriods, he’s a convicted Cheater like MargaCheato, Vargas, Chavez Jr, MarPeds, Salido, chavez Sr. etc etc etc..

Posted August 15, 2014 12:44 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, i challenge anybody to point out a single instance when Rios fouled. Just ONE. i won’t expect a response. nobody’s ever been able to respond to any of my direct challenges, e.g., How the F’k could Mayweather Know that MUTUALLY-Applied and random testing would be a deal-breaker for Punkuiao*? HOW?

Posted August 8, 2014 1:40 pm 


te tumbo

Chaves kept holding Rios and not unlike Maidana v. Broner he was only trying to free himself to punch. Chaves was looking for a way out from his flop in the 5th round, flipping tackle, and attempting to gouge Rios’ eyes out in clinches while remaining focused on the ref to make sure he couldn’t catch what he was doing but Rios immediately alerted the ref to what Chaves was doing more than once. the clincher was Chaves’ fake soccer-acting after being verbally warned several times and finally DQ’d. he knew why he was DQ’d and should have protested his innocence rather than over-acting as if he had no clue as to what had just happened.

Posted August 8, 2014 1:37 pm 


TARK

@Science.., It was a bad DQ because they were both fouling… and Rios was fouling more.

Rios continually came in with his head and used it for leverage in Chaves’s face… Chaves pushed Rios’s face away with his glove after many, MANY head pushes in the face by Rios — because the referee wasn’t doing anything about Rios’s illegal head work.

Dakulich has a long history as a partisan referee.

Posted August 7, 2014 7:13 pm 


Science

It appears that Chaves and those negatively commenting about the disqualification of Chaves by the referee are not aware of or may have forgotten the fact that:

(1) The Unified Rules of Boxing of the Association of Boxing Commissions specifically provide that “IF THE REFEREE FEELS THAT THE BOXER HAS CONDUCTED HIMSELF IN AN UNSPORTSMAN-LIKE MANNER, HE MAY STOP THE BOUT AND DISQUALIFY THE BOXER;” and

(2) The Association of Boxing Commission Referee Rules and Guidelines also specifically provide on Disqualification, in essence, that: A boxer will lose by DISQUALIFICATION when he or she has: fouled and caused harm to his or her opponent; continually refused to follow the rules; and continually disobeyed the Referee.

It is what the referee FEELS about the conduct of a boxer that matters and if the referee in the Rios-Chaves fight felt that Chaves conducted himself in an unsportsmanlike manner but did not feel the same about Rios, the referee is entitled to what he felt and nobody has any right to complain about it because feelings are personal in nature and subjective in character.

It must also be noted that the Association of Boxing Commissions Referee Rules and Guidelines allow disqualification of a boxer by the referee if the boxer fouled. The rules clearly did not make it mandatory for the referee to even make a warning prior to a disqualification by reason of a foul. In the case of Chaves however, he and his corner were previously warned by the referee that Chaves will be disqualified if he continues with his infractions. Hence, on this point alone, the disqualification was very much justified.

Further, it is obvious that Chaves continually refused to follow the rules. In the statements he made after the bout, Chaves in effect or in essence admitted albeit impliedly, that he actually was continually not following the rules. On this point alone, his disqualification was justified.

Further still, Chaves continually disobeyed the Referee. I clearly saw this and others like me who is a boxing fan but not a fan of Rios or Chaves probably saw this also. On this point alone, the disqualification of Chaves was justified.

To all those who say that the referee was wrong in disqualifying Chaves: please read the applicable rules and if you have already done so, please read them again. For all those who think that the Unified Boxing Rules and the Referee Rules and Guidelines of the Association of Boxing Commissions do not make sense, then you all can lobby that the rules be changed but until the rules are changed, please stop saying that the referee was wrong in disqualifying Chaves. A feeling can neither be right nor wrong and a referee is entitled to disqualify a boxer on the basis of what he feels. Thus, the referee committed no wrong in disqualifying Chaves because he is entitled to what he felt at that time and the law entitles him to disqualify a boxer on the basis of what he feels. This law may be hard or may be foolish but until this is changed, this is the law. Dura lex sed lex.

Posted August 7, 2014 3:11 pm 


Anonymous

spic: Mexican illegal
illegal: Mexican Wetback in the USA
Mexican American: Mexican Anchor Baby illegally deposited on USA Soil by a Wetback aka illegal.

Posted August 7, 2014 8:05 am 


Anonymous

spic:

A highly offensive term referring to a Spanish-speaking person from Mexico, Central or South America, Spain, or Portugal.

Posted August 6, 2014 10:16 pm 


Anonymous

I think everyone would get a laugh if they saw this dumbo turd face to face. This fat, out of condition little Mexican turd has a short man’s complex and a fat man’s complex.

Posted August 6, 2014 10:15 pm 


DaTruth Hurtzzz

and Yes, te tumbo is a fat 300 lb dirty Hispanic..

Posted August 6, 2014 7:00 pm 


DaTruth Hurtzzz

Mexicans aren’t Latinos, they’re Racist Hispanics..

Posted August 6, 2014 6:59 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“most spics are fat and dirty. ”

What is a “spic?” Spaniard? Mexican? Generic term for any Latino?

Posted August 6, 2014 3:07 pm 


Anonymous

most spics are fat and dirty. this dumbo is probably 300 pounds.

Posted August 6, 2014 1:37 pm 


DaTruth Hurtzzz

Since Cinnabum has fizzled out based on his last four PPV Flops and the Hype Machine is on life support they have no other Choice then to turn to these Chicano Bums like Rios, Mares and Rocky Peds Garcia..

Posted August 6, 2014 12:54 pm 


Anonymous

Folks like this te tumbozo carry envy in their hearts so it should not come as a surprise nor be shocking to know what his personal thoughts are regarding those not Mexican. After all, I suppose I too would be traumatized if I came from a country were over 50% of women experience some sort of violent act without any legal recourse. To add fuel to the fire, imagine coming from a country where the homicide rate in just the last 5 years is approaching the total causualties from the Vietnam War. Ridiculous to say the least!! I can “understand’ why they high tail it to the US border and risk becoming bonafide wetbacks…..what else might they have to be proud about?? Hence their hatred and disdain for folks from other Latino cultures which they have yet to comprehend even exist. Even De La Hoya knew better and got out of dodge and guess where he’s living. Closed minded people will be just that.

Posted August 6, 2014 10:53 am 


Anonymous

This Dracula dude must’ve thought the event was about him being a referee and not about the boxers fighting. Regardless, he seemed very amateurish. If only knuckeheads like him would take a queue from Weeks, Bayless, Nady or Smoger.

Posted August 6, 2014 10:22 am 


EZ E

ahhhh… WOW!!! I see that things are a bit “hectic” here! Just got off work and I was… ahhhh… about to… hmmmm.. forget it!! LOL!! “Somebody’s” missing but let’s not call him, that’s all this thread needs!! LOL! Anyway, I think I’ll sit this one out and watch from the dugout, or better yet, the GRANDSTANDS, the dugout might be TOO CLOSE!! Have fun guys!! A’rrato!! See you all later!! Hasta luego!! Arrivederchi!! Chao!! Shalom!! LOL!!

Posted August 5, 2014 9:46 pm 


Anonymous

@te tumbo yep, maybe you’re “right”. But remember, we’re talking about a ‘hope to die’ MEXICAN rapist of the WORSE KIND!! YOU of all folks should know where I’m coming from, you grew up around hundreds of rapist and odds are that you got your butt reamed out by an older brother, cousin or by a Mexican priest!! It’s there, let it out, that false “macho” act isn’t cutting it. Get it off your chest. Don’t you wanna heal? Does ‘it’ still hurt? While your at it you might wanna rinse your mouth out with some CLEAN U.S.A. holy water!! LMAO!!

Posted August 5, 2014 9:08 pm 


te tumbo

PRs recent decline is PERMANENT. Mexican fighters are actually asking to travel to PR to face their next prospect, contender, or champion. like a Kick-Ass vacation. kick some PR culo, collect a paycheck, then rape some PR culo. after all, you all know (and fear) how we do it.

Posted August 5, 2014 8:46 pm 


te tumbo

“Thank the Good Man upstairs that he ONLY wanted my car, wallet and watch and not my AZZ!!” that is one creepy disclosure to share on a boxing website(?). of all the crimes i’ve ever felt threatened by, “rape” has never been one of them but some men aren’t so easily robbed of their booty.

Posted August 5, 2014 8:43 pm 


te tumbo

anyway, it’s One-on-One in a boxing ring and i for one have never bought into any “rivalry”. nothing more than promotional hype to sell tix. otherwise, the major bouts between the best fighters have resulted in a lopsided advantage in Mexico’s favor. Btw, let me tell you something about statistics: any fool can you use them and any liar can manipulate or make them up. consequently, not even slightly impressed by percentages being flung around by fight-fans not mathematicians or astro-physicists.

Posted August 5, 2014 8:39 pm 


Anonymous

I’M BAA’AACK WTF!! where’s el tumbo? on the run? on a Beer’n’rape run with his flunky? LMAO!! I gotta take this opportunity get this story off my chest: When I was stationed in Fort Bliss I was a victim of an armed carjacker who happened to be….. yes, you guessed it. He also robbed me of my wallet and watch. The thief was caught minutes later thanks to another soldier who quickly alerted the cops. I had to appear at the El Paso Courthouse on various occasions due to usual postponements. I saw preliminary hearings and bail reductions of a few sexual assault and sex related cases. In all the cases the offenders were…. yes, you guessed right. Now, get this, in the court proceedings it was revealed that there was a warrant out for the carjacker for ATTEMPTED RAPE!! Thank the Good Man upstairs that he ONLY wanted my car, wallet and watch and not my AZZ!! LOL!! True story!!

Posted August 5, 2014 8:29 pm 


NEUTRAL CORNER

BOXING FAN Thanks, that was basically what I was trying to say, not trying to discredit Mexico’s fighters, just explaining that Puerto Rico’s recent decline is not as bad as some think. They are still a force although in sort of a ‘valley’ right now. History has shown us that other countries besides Puerto Rico other countries have been there before, the U.S., Britain, Mexico, Cuba.. and have rebounded. I am a fan of Puerto Rican boxing and believe they will once again.

Posted August 5, 2014 7:33 pm 


Hey !!!!!

WELCOME BACK BOXING FAN !!!!

Posted August 5, 2014 7:17 pm 


BOXING FAN

@Te tumbo “spare me the deceptive math formulas. bottom line is that it’s One-on-One in a boxing ring. no math formula is gonna defy that physical fact..” “Deceptive”? Not trying to offend in any way, but maybe unlike you, I understand NEUTRAL’S point and logic. Not trying to take sides but it seems you’re on a personal agenda, no offense intended. In Africa the sport of long distance running is very popular, there are considerably MORE practicing long distance in runners in African countries like Kenya, Ethiopia & Morocco.. than in the U.S., Mexico, Cuba… which explains their successes. I’ve visited Africa several times, they run EVERYWHERE, out of sport and NECESSITY, much like boxers in Mexico. Those guys RUN, they ain’t no joke! In the sities, desert, hills…, everywhere! There’s ‘power’ in numbers because there’s more to pick from. If country #A has 100 long distance runners and country #B has 10 then with ALL likely hood country #A will be more successful basically because the have a bigger crop to pick their best from. Basketball is an excellent sport to make this same argument. There are occasional exceptions. NEUTRAL point is that Puerto Rico has been a major contributor to our sport, although they’ve have been below their usual in the recent couple of years. But it’s no surprise that suddenly they can have 3 or 4 world reigning champions at any given time, which per capita is far above most all countries. I guess that’s where NEUTRAL CORNER is coming from. I remember when as a young fan I’d look at the rankings of Ring magazine and I was awed to see that Puerto Ricans held many world titles at the same time, 7 or 8, and was even considered “The land of Champions” by the HBO commentators and deserved it. They had the upper hand on Mex vs PR face offs. The tide has certainly changed, Mexico has the upper hand for sure, they hold that prestigious ‘Title” now with their current crop of exceptional fighters. But we still have to consider a bit the ‘numbers’ equation, not that Mexico wouldn’t still top them, they are an awesome bunch! Just my opinion.

Posted August 5, 2014 7:08 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“do they speak English.”

No se.

Posted August 5, 2014 6:13 pm 


I’M BAAA’AAACK!!

Hey, NEUTRAL CORNER, I got this one!! Kick back and allow me, please.

@tetumbo and his Mad flunky The numbers don’t lie, only fkn fool like you will argue with documented numerical FACTS or common sense. NEUTRAL didn’t say anything wrong, not a fkn thing, he was directing his opinion and FACTS to TARK, who YOU have been at war with recently. But OK esse. NEUTRAL gave good INTERESTING facts that didn’t attack any nationality, just revealing some info that many OBJECTIVE fans overlook. Yes, there are many, many good & great Mexican fighters, but there surely should be, there are probably more Mexican fighters than in any other country in the world. Can’t anyone say anything without you becoming unglued?? You have serious racist issues.

Okay fine. Just like the Mexican RAPE stats. But here’s where you kind really EXCEL waaaayyyy beyond the norm. The RAPE rate in Mexico is over FOUR TIMES the average the norm in the rest of the world and that considering the rapes that are AREN’T reported due to the FACT that Mexican authorities tend to have a high PERMISSIVE / TOLERANCE on that particular atrocious crime!! There was an full scale report on the Mexican rape situation, did you miss it?? AND if your sense of “reasoning” is right then there’s NO doubt and it’s even more UNEQUIVOCALLY correct that besides being the “best” fighters you/your kind are THEE MOST, THE BIGGEST, THEE BADDEST, THEE MOST SAVAGE & SADISTIC RAPIST presently known to mankind. Numero UNO p4p!! Does it come NATURAL? Yeah probably, right along with their pugilistic virtues!! PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT since you seem to have “ALL” the answers. PLEASE!! Com’on esse!! EXPLAIN!! A centuries old TRADITION, maybe??

If your kind are NUMERO UNO in boxing then you have to accept the NUMERO UNO rapist world title too, it goes parallel, even playing field.

@NEUTRAL Don’t waste your time. Had you attacked the Filipinos, Blacks or Puerto Ricans he, tetumbo, and his leashed flunky would’ve glorified your comment. Later guy!

Posted August 5, 2014 5:33 pm 


The Mad Scientist

LMAO! Jajajajajajaja

Posted August 5, 2014 3:26 pm 


te tumbo

spare me the deceptive math formulas. bottomline is that it’s One-on-One in a boxing ring. no math formula is gonna defy that physical fact but if you insist on resorting to statistics, your numbers only beg the question of what “rivalry”? according to your own numbers, there can’t possibly be one between the giant republic of Mexico and the puny territorial island of PR. you might as well compare Sicily to Russia. promotional hype aside, there is no “rivalry” (please review results of 07-12-2014 fight card at MGM Grand).

Posted August 5, 2014 2:57 pm 


LOL

do they speak English.

Posted August 5, 2014 12:25 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“The Mexican population is roughly 125 million, with another 34.5 million of Mexican heritage/Chicano in the U.S. and 7 million undocumented Mexicans, for a total of 166.5 million.”

Jay Leno: “A recent survey revealed that 50% of all Mexicans want to live in the United States. That makes sense. The other 50% are already here!”

Posted August 5, 2014 12:04 pm 


hibdeebibdee

Te tumbo there’s nothing in the rules that says “abusive language is justified if…”

I think Chaves and Rios were both frustrated with each other and they both displayed their frustration in their own way. It may have been better to stop the fight and declare a no – contest.

Posted August 5, 2014 12:00 pm 


Anonymous

NEUTRAL Tarks doesn’t have a hard on for PRs, he’s just a bigot a**hole, like tetumbo. Fk’em both.

Posted August 5, 2014 10:02 am 


NEUTRAL CORNER

TARK said: “I’m not a PR supporter… It’s just that Cotto is a very good boxer and Rios is not a particularly good boxer. But he’s better than Cheato Rito, who was really crude.
Overall Mexico has had better fighters going back to Sanchez-Gomez — but Cotto outboxes Rios all day.”

@TARK No kidding? haha! You’re anti PR sentiment has been obvious for years and has already been pointed out to you by others, but thanks for finally admitting it. There are approx 40 Mexican fighters for each Puerto Rican fighter. The Mexican population is roughly 125 million, with another 34.5 million of Mexican heritage/Chicano in the U.S. and 7 million undocumented Mexicans, for a total of 166.5 million. Puerto Rico’s population is 3.6 million and another 4.6 million living in the states, for a total of 8.2 million. As far as boxers go, the ratio of Mexican fighters is even higher, approx 38 Mexican/Chicano fighters for every 1 Puerto Rican/PR heritage fighter, some say that the difference is higher. The MORE fighters you have the more good/great fighters you liable to have as well, a no brainer. But as usual, you try to minimize the Puerto Rican contributions to the sport. I recognize the great Mexican influence in the the sport, and get massive props. That said, I want to clarify that I’m not actually Puerto Rican, although I born in the Bronx and raised by my ex-boxer Puerto Rican stepfather for 9 of the greatest years of my life before his passing.

Posted August 5, 2014 8:51 am 


The Mad Scientist

I heard Diego Chaves could be facing Mike Alvaro next on the undercard of Pac/Algeri..looks like Top Rank signed their own version of Saluk Aydin

Posted August 5, 2014 1:19 am 


te tumbo

no objective fight-fan can watch the replays of Rios v. Chaves and not see what Rios was loudly protesting and verbally “abusing” Chaves for. Btw, is anybody willing to vouch for the sincerity of Chaves’ post-fight, soccer-player over-acting? following one point-deduction, Rios’ verbal abuse, and multiple audible warnings from the ref, and Chaves remains clueless about what the problem may be? GTFOH with that fake soccer-opera over-acting.

Posted August 5, 2014 1:05 am 


te tumbo

“You try too darn hard to find fault with anything anybody says”. if you don’t want to discuss or defend it, don’t say it on a public message board. otherwise, you can’t just deny the occurrence of something that obviously happened and Not(?) expect to be called on it. nonetheless, Thanks for at least not feeling targeted. as you point out, “Anybody” is eligible for the same treatment.

Posted August 5, 2014 12:45 am 


hibdeebibdee

“in what rule book? you’re also casually ignoring the source of Rios’ loud protests”

Te tumbo, the fighters are expected to act in a sportsman like manner. Straight from the Nevada Athletic Commission rule book:

      NAC 467.675  Acts constituting fouls in boxing. (NRS 467.030)  The following acts constitute fouls in boxing:

     13. Using abusive language in the ring.

“Casual”. You try too darn hard to find fault with anything anybody says.

Posted August 5, 2014 12:16 am 


DaTruth Hurtzzz

Fernando LardASS got Obliterated by Puerto Rican Tito Trinidad.. just another in a long line of hyped Chihuahuas that flopped once they faced a true top opponent..

Posted August 4, 2014 11:37 pm 


te tumbo

Vargas could definitely beat Peterson, Broner, or Mathysse. besides, doesn’t Novikov qualify as solid competition? that alone places Vargas solidly in the middle of the pack. meanwhile, Rios emerges as a bigger dog to deal with at welter. my estimation of Rios remains the same: he’s a solid fighter with serious flaws that can be exploited at great risk. Rios takes a very solid Shot(!) and i was amazed at how quickly he recovered from being buckled and continued to expertly work his inside game on wobbly legs. he doesn’t hesitate to let his punches Go.

Posted August 4, 2014 11:28 pm 


TARK

Rios might beat Peterson though… Peterson is a brawler, so that would be right up Rios’s back street… He would get a few headers on Lamont for sure.

Like Peterson trying to fight Matthysse—only without a KO—and with Rios taking a lot of return fire, but not as many hard ones as Lamont.

Posted August 4, 2014 11:13 pm 


bacontown

It looks like Al Haymon aint the only guy that can sway a judge or three or a ref. Uncle Bob is was on his A- game tonight. Either way though, it wont be long before the boxing public sees that Rios is a world class fighter. To call him a club level fighter may seem cruel but at this point which champ or contender could you see him beating. And Vargas is about the same. He was okay when he was with Mayweather and he is still just Ok. He cant beat Peterson, Garcia, Matyesse, Broner, Huerrera or Provodnikov.

Posted August 4, 2014 10:55 pm 


TARK

Rios would be easily out-boxed by Cotto… Not a contest.

I’m not a PR supporter… It’s just that Cotto is a very good boxer and Rios is not a particularly good boxer. But he’s better than Cheato Rito, who was really crude.

Overall Mexico has had better fighters going back to Sanchez-Gomez — but Cotto outboxes Rios all day.

Posted August 4, 2014 10:38 pm 


A Little Perspective

If Brandon “Punching Bag” Rios was Rican he would be the best fighter in PR right now. That’s how bad PR boxing has sunk!

Posted August 4, 2014 9:55 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Rios is a human punching bag yet it is Juanma Lopez, Miguel Cotto and the rest of the rican flock who’ve been seen multiple times in their career getting wobbled, Knocked down, knocked out and rolling around the ring canvas looking helpless..these are obvious signs of a fighter getting brain damage from taking to many punches..

Posted August 4, 2014 9:41 pm 


DaTruth Hurtz

Next we’ll here that Dumb Dumb Rios the mexian human punching bag is getting a title shot by the WBC.. aka We Be Criminales of Messyhoe…

Posted August 4, 2014 8:55 pm 


DaTruth Hurtz

Another Mexican given a gift win by a Mexican Referee/judge just like Canelo…

Posted August 4, 2014 8:53 pm 


lightsoutOhio

Top Stink style. Cheating and robbing fighters.
-Rios vs Abril= robbery
-Now this fight

Posted August 4, 2014 7:25 pm 


te tumbo

“Tell you what though, Rios was cussing and swearing during the fight. He repeatedly yelled at Chaves calling him a m*therf*ker. That’s a disqualifying offense right there” in what rule book? you’re also casually ignoring the source of Rios’ loud protests, which were immediate responses to being excessively fouled by Chaves. combine that with Chaves’ 5th-round flop and flipping tackle afterwards and it’s obvious that he was looking for a way out of the competitive portion of the bout. at which point, he was either going to bait Rios into a DQ or be DQ’d himself. it’s as plain as day. some of you are blind or utter IMBECILES to not make the obvious connections.

Posted August 4, 2014 6:19 pm 


TARK

Hibdee.., “In other words, why don’t the rules just clearly state: “Holding and clinching are illegal.”

The rules clearly state that holding is illegal.. Holding is another word for clinching..

Holding has been illegal in Boxing for generations.. What referees do is call for a “break” or to “stop holding” or “fight out of it” when there’s clinching. When there’s continued holding they break it up and may issue warnings. A referee who’s friendly to the fighter who’s holding will just keep breaking clinches all night long without any warnings.

Fighters are seldom DQ’d for holding—or most every fight would be a DQ.. But Henry Akinwande was DQ’d, without a previous point deduction, in his Lewis fight.

Posted August 4, 2014 4:21 pm 


Eugthehuge

Drakulich probably needs to retire.

Posted August 4, 2014 1:22 pm 


LOL

you never see hopkins clinch.

Posted August 4, 2014 12:09 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“I gotta say I think Drakulich while overzealous early on, got it exactly right in the end”

Old Coot, I appreciate your reasoning, but there were only two rounds left to go. Drakulich clearly knew it was a rough fight and that Rios and Chaves didn’t like each other. But it was a fight, not a babysitting match. Drakulich could have weathered the storm for six more minutes. The fans in attendance certainly wanted it to go on. So did I.

Both Rios and Chaves would have loved to finish that fight, but Drakulich went into it with a negative attitude, he lost control of the fight early on, and saved himself six more minutes of hard work by DQing one of the fighters.

I’ve watched many fights reffed by Drakulich. He was not the right ref for this bout.

Posted August 4, 2014 11:29 am 


hibdeebibdee

I felt something was not right with Drakulich when he issued an early point deduction to Chaves. To me it was clear that Drakulich wanted the fighters to fight the kind of fight he wanted to see.

Tell you what though, Rios was cussing and swearing during the fight. He repeatedly yelled at Chaves calling him a m*therf*ker. That’s a disqualifying offense right there.

Judging for the Vargas fight and reffing for the Rios fight was despicable. I wouldn’t blame anyone at all for calling it “homegrown” officiating.

Posted August 4, 2014 11:24 am 


hibdeebibdee

In other words, why don’t the rules just clearly state: “Holding and clinching are illegal.”

Posted August 4, 2014 11:19 am 


hibdeebibdee

Tark! I have a question for you:

A number of sanctioning bodies and state commissions rules state “excessive holding or maintaining a clinch” is illegal.

Question: Does “maintaining a clinch” mean clinching in general is illegal, or does it mean that if a fighter holds on and won’t let go it’s a foul? I’m thinking the term “maintaining a clinch” is open to interpretation by a referee.

I’d appreciate your definition.

Posted August 4, 2014 11:18 am 


hibdeebibdee

“The judges awarded Jesse Vargas a lot of style points… His form was vastly superior. ”

That’s not one of the judging criteria. That’s bias. It’s not how a fighter looks that counts. It’s how effective he is: Ring generalship, effective aggression, defense, clean effective punching. Nothing about style in that list.

Posted August 4, 2014 11:16 am 


hibdeebibdee

“This is Rios… first the head… then the hooks.”

Rios always fights that way. He’s never been DQ’d for it before. Nor was Rios headbutting. He was driving with his head and that’s what he usually does–working his way inside his opponent’s guard then doing what he does best–inside fighting. The ref should have let the fight go a full ten rounds. It was too damn late to be DQing anyone.

Posted August 4, 2014 11:11 am 


SREDMOND

Novikov was treated poorly by the judges, the scores were simply mailed in… I mean 118 ??? Are you kidding me? if they saw the bout for Vargas then fine at least make it respectable but they basically treated it like a domination which was NOT close to what I watched…

Posted August 4, 2014 9:59 am 


SATAN IS MEXICAN

Tetumbo Oh, my bad! I forgot “Word!” & FK U!! LOL Word!

Posted August 4, 2014 9:44 am 


SATAN IS MEXICAN

@tetumbo Since you’ve been centering your RACIST attacks the Pinoys, here something to consider back home, south of the border:

KILLS DAUGHTER FOR ASKING FOR FOOD TO EAT; MOTHER HELPS BURY HER
TEPOZTLÁN, Morelos.- A 14 year old girl was brutally murdered by her father and buried behind the family’s home, located near Mexico-Cuautia expressway, in the La Obrera Colony of the Yautepec municipality, 3 miles of Tepoztlan.
According to the Criminal Investigation Police reports, a 15 year old girl arrived at the State General Prosecutors (FGE) to press charges against her father for domestic violence. She indicated to the police authorities that there were a total of 11 brother and sisters, which lived in precarious sub-human conditions. They were subjected to beatings by their father, Gildardo Rendon, and were frequently chained. The adolescent then went on to say that on July 12 of this year, one of her sisters asked the father for food and he became infuriated to the point that he beat her with a plank of wood, causing her death.
Upon realizing the girl was dead, with the help of his wife, they buried her in a hole that was being prepared as a cistern. (Excelsior News-Mexico)

The article goes on to say that days the later father reported the girl missing. But upon being alerted the police investigators found the body where the sister indicated. The Police summoned the paramedics, who found the children suffering from malnutrition and signs of being subjected to hash beatings.

Now, whats that you said about the Filipinos and the Ricans??

Posted August 4, 2014 9:40 am 


beast

I think Novikov got robbed. Vargas landed some good shots, but he also ate a bunch of them himself. Looked to me like Novikov got there with more of them. I never put too much stock in punch stats as I think they count punches that land on the gloves, but I saw Novikov snapping Vargas’s head back with the jab and landing plenty to the body. Typical hometown decision.

Posted August 4, 2014 8:19 am 


Love-the-Sport

hibdeebibdee and others are stupid.

The big takeaway from Chavez vs. Rios is that both Chavez and Rios are not that good.

Chavez was holding and running too much.

Rios was coming forward like a slow lame turtle with not much pop in his punches and hardly any shots to the head.

It was a bad fight. It was a bad night for HBO. It was a bad night for Bob Arum.

I don’t think boxing fans want to see either one of these guys and I would not be surprised to see Chavez and Rios on ESPN in the near future.

Posted August 4, 2014 7:39 am 


RAYGORDON REID

yeah

Posted August 4, 2014 7:01 am 


Anonymous

dumbo with more pro-mexican rhetoric. yawn.

Posted August 3, 2014 11:10 pm 


te tumbo

in fact, Chaves may have been looking for a way out as early as the 5th round when he executed the soccer-like flop trying to sic the ref on Rios. by that point, the ref was already becoming tired with Chaves’ antics including the wrestling tackle, which was just another example of Chaves wanting the fight to End, ASAP. he knew what was coming and it included him being counted out, which he avoided with the self-inflicted DQ.

Posted August 3, 2014 10:37 pm 


te tumbo

ESB histrionics aside, Rios was closing the distance and Chaves was just looking for any way out. backpedaling, fouling, and essentially daring the ref to DQ him while also baiting Rios to earn the DQ himself. it’s what happens when a fighter realizes that his best shots aren’t doing a Damn thing to his opponent. at which point, Chaves turned half-fighter/half soccer player with his over-acting, reacting, culminating in his over-the-top bewilderment following the DQ, which he was audibly warned about several times. Rios did his thing in vintage fashion and was on his way to TKOing the increasingly desperate Chaves. resulting in the self-inflicted DQ.

Posted August 3, 2014 10:31 pm 


YOU’RE RIGHT!!!

Anonymous: “That ref is a dick. These guys think they are stars it’s the boxers that are not the refs. Joe Cortez was just like this guy also. The winner is decided in the ring not by a fag ref.”

TARK: “Rios was allowed to come in with his head all night… You can’t lead with your head or push it into your opponent’s face. This is Rios… first the head… then the hooks.

Chaves was retaliating with his hands, pushing Rios’s face with his glove… What else can he do??? That’s what you do when the referee won’t help you … “Get your MFing head outta my face puke.””

Posted August 3, 2014 9:07 pm 


VIVA LAS VEGAS

A couple of weeks ago the clearly out boxed Mexican fighter got the benefit of the doubt in a Vegas fight. This weekend 2 more shtty examples of the same, one a mfkn ridiculously scored fight and a ridiculous DQ in favor of the Mexicans again in Vegas. This has been a fkn pattern for quite some time. SUKS!

Posted August 3, 2014 8:54 pm 


Anonymous

That ref is a dick. These guys think they are stars it’s the boxers that are not the refs. Joe Cortez was just like this guy also. The winner is decided in the ring not by a fag ref.

Posted August 3, 2014 8:28 pm 


Ell C

Rios has no class.

Posted August 3, 2014 8:06 pm 


Ben & Jerry

TARK has struggled with weight and body issues for his entire life.

Posted August 3, 2014 7:16 pm 


Informer

Also notice at the end of the fight, before the ref breaks them up Chavez is already complaining with a “surprised” look on his face as if to say “what did I do?”. Chavez seemed to know about the foul before anyone. I think the wrestle to the floor was blatent also. Chavez seemed to be looking for a way out. If either fighter would have used their jab consistently they would have had clear control of the fight.

Posted August 3, 2014 6:16 pm 


TARK

Rios was allowed to come in with his head all night… You can’t lead with your head or push it into your opponent’s face. This is Rios… first the head… then the hooks.

Chaves was retaliating with his hands, pushing Rios’s face with his glove… What else can he do??? That’s what you do when the referee won’t help you … “Get your MFing head outta my face puke.”

Posted August 3, 2014 5:46 pm 


Blaze

typo…….Not Vargas, Chavez

Thought the Vargas fight wasn’t really reflected in the scorecards, the right guy still won, imo. Now I’m wondering how the B-Hop vs Kovolev fight is gonna play out. I got Kovolev winning, but yu never know with B-Hop.

Posted August 3, 2014 4:46 pm 


Blaze

While I agree that the ref started off a little too involved, the DQ was the right decision. I don’t know how this writer feels so strongly that Vargas was gonna win considering the scorecards were close to even with two rounds still needing to be scored. And that DQ should have been given. The foul was too intentional and can cause too much damage. Plus he had been excessively holding for the entire fight. He gave the fight away being stupid.

Posted August 3, 2014 4:42 pm 


Old Coot

At first I agreed with this writer… But after viewing the fight again, I gotta say I think Drakulich while overzealous early on, got it exactly right in the end… And I can say I am pretty objective, because I didn’t have a dog in this fight, as I don’t really follow either fighter to well. However, as a generic boxing fan, I think that although early on Drakulich, after barely a warning, overreacted by taking a point from Chavez in round 4, for semi-holding, by round 5 he realized he may have overreacted, and so in round 5, Drakulich decided even things up by taking a point from Rios for semi-tackling Chavez… Also both head-butted about the same in round 5 as well, but Drakulich, obviously let it pass… After that I thought rounds 6 and 7 were pretty clean, with Chavez, in my opinion, winning both. However early on in round 8, Rios was clearly getting a bit frustrated that Chavez had gotten the better of him in the last two rounds, and so Rios butted Chavez, and in response, Chavez forearmed Rios, prompting the ref to take a point from Chavez because he’d missed Rios’ instigating head-butt, and CLEARLY saw Chavez retaliate with the forearm… Now at that stage I had Chavez slightly ahead, and so initially after the 9th round DQ, I thought Chavez got robbed, but then when viewed it again to see if Rios’ accusation of Chavez repeatedly thumbing him was in fact true, I did find that at the tail end of round 8; just before the bell with like 3 seconds to go, you can clearly see Chavez, while holding down Rios’ head, and looking at the ref, while using his right hand to reach under and gouge at Rios’ eye or eyes… Then, early in round 9, Chavez, who was not really falling down, clearly decided to just grab Rios in a wrestling headlock, and forcefully pull Rios down for no good reason. And to top it off, at 1:42 of the 9th, again while holding Rios’ head down, one can CLEARLY see Chavez twist his right hand under to grab or thumb Rios in the eye or face, which prompted Rios to loudly protest with repeated expletives, and thereby prompting Drakulich to DQ Chavez for flagrant fouls… Which I now realize he was very right to do, at the time… And what a shame too, because I had Chavez still slightly winning the fight.

Posted August 3, 2014 4:27 pm 


Anthony

Why couldn’t this happened in a WK fight??? In would have been justice!

Posted August 3, 2014 4:10 pm 


srminimo

Even the fact this fight was made was kinda weird to me. For Ríos to come back after two losses, being out for a year, at a higher weight, against a big rough guy shows bad matchmaking on the part of the Rios camp. He looked soft and obviously hasn’t been in the gym all this time trying to get better. He can still take a punch and fight inside, but had no way to close the gap other than put his head down and barrel forward, eating leather on the way (although he did use his jab a bit in the later rounds). He fought dirty and since the ref didn’t put his foot down properly, forced Chaves to get dirty himself until it just escalated beyond repair.
They were saying how Ríos had been going to a sports psychologist… I think a refund is in order. And Chaves wasn’t any better. He held, fouled and complained like he was playing for the Italian football team.

Posted August 3, 2014 4:07 pm 


TARK

Sredmond attempting to sound fair and balanced…, “The scores for Vargas were ridiculous!!! They basically treated him as if he dominated the hell out of Novikov which is utter nonsense”

No more nonsensical than Olando Salido winning a SD over Vasyl Lomachenko… Or Lomachenko getting only a MD over Gary Russell—a fight Loma completely and utterly dominated, winning every round… The cold war is still going on folks.

The judges awarded Jesse Vargas a lot of style points… His form was vastly superior.

Novikov has one of the worst stances I’ve ever seen at this level.. His head is forward.. His shoulders and hips are misaligned, killing his power… His feet and torso are wrong and his knees aren’t soft enough for fluid and easy footwork… He’s easy to hit — and has to work 3 times as hard to get his punches off.

But he outworked Vargas… He should have won 115-113—winning a couple of close rounds for his aggression and pressure.. But that’s with fair and competent judges.. In the real world, he needs to create tremendous separation if he wants to win… The #1 thing Novikov needs is a coach.

Posted August 3, 2014 3:20 pm 


Anonymous

I think it was fair.

Posted August 3, 2014 1:54 pm 


Livershot

Just saw the fights again and well…………..SMH in disgust. The judges that scored the Vargas/Novikov fight should never be allowed to judge a fight again, ever. That fight could have gone either way or a draw. Rios has no future in the Welterweight division. Yes, he can take a beating like a punching bag but that’s about it. I’m not sure it’s HBO protecting it’s company fighters or Vegas, but that fight was crooked from the get go. Drakulich should never be allowed to referee again, but for all we know he will get the Mayweather/Maidana II fight and DQ Maidana after 1/2 a round. Rios has not learned a thing since taking since losing to Alvarado. His face first, no side to side or head movement is boring and sad to see. Simple side steps and small angles allows fighters to land straight 1, 2s right down the center flush on his face. Even someone like Chavez who is not exactly an elite fighter was hitting him with it. Trainer Robert Garcia seems to have given up on teaching him any other way. In the post fights comments he said “Brandon takes shots, that’s just the kind of fighter he is.” Instead of “We need to get back in the gym, Brandon took too many shots that he didn’t have to.” Rios himself admitted to not being back. At this level and stage of his career, the Rios he thought he was will never be again, not at welterweight. Too many good fighters that can box, move and hit hard. He will become a gate keeper like Angulo, and Arreola. Those guys are tailor made for the prospects that are out there. They are good enough to keep the pretenders from passing and getting beat by those that are just better and have more craft than they do. Rios is who he is at this point, Robert Garcia is to blame for not teaching/training him how to box at least a little bit.

Posted August 3, 2014 1:46 pm 


Vick Drakulich!!!

Drakulich is the perfect corrupt referee for help Floyd Jr. against Maidana

The Serbo-Italian Bandit!

Posted August 3, 2014 1:31 pm 


Anonymous

More comedy from vegas.

Posted August 3, 2014 1:13 pm 


Bustajay

The night of joke referees

And Floyd Jr. just found his referee for Maidana 2

Posted August 3, 2014 3:34 am
GOD I hope you are wrong of not all bets for under 9.5 RDS

Posted August 3, 2014 11:39 am 


The Mad Scientist

The fight was only good for the first 2 rounds, after that Chaves decided to box more..he had it going good till like the 5th or 6 round..Chaves got tired due Brandon’s constant pressure and stronger inside fighting and started holding excessively to avoid taking damage when Rios got close..the ref did a good job DQing a boxer who no longer wants to fight clean due to fatigue, desperation and fear of being hurt..the right guy won the fight and Diego Chaves only has himself to blame for not making the most of another opportunity

Posted August 3, 2014 11:34 am 


Bustajay

lionhard

Now Robert Garcia got a little taste of his own Wild Berry medicine! Caveman Maidana Flintstone was WORSE with the MMA Bedrock tactics. Hopefully this ref does their rematch & catches the MMA knees to the head, with the downward rainbow spiral punches to the back of the head, along with the Low Blow Barney Rubble Under Belt shots, and who could forget the against the rope Cave Man Rope Wrestle! Wild Caveman Maidana Flintstone will be on the prowl come fight night with the help of Garcia – now they’ll rightfully take over & do the honors! Now all we need is a ref like this one!

Posted August 3, 2014 1:13 am

Pure rubbish
Never did Maidana knee Floyd in the head or face
Maidana throws weird angel punches but you my friend just went little overboard
Floyd does shady crap all the time, granted he is a very skilled boxer of not the best, when he is frustrated or out of sync
Go tell this fantasy call to a casual fan who only caught the highlights of the Floyd Maidana fight

This ref SUCKS
ALWAYS HAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A CRAP REF

Posted August 3, 2014 11:32 am 


Bustajay

Wow!! Point deductions for excessive holding. This ref needs to do mayweather fights. Mayweather will get point deductions every round. Lol

Haha my point, pun intentional, is the exact same bro. I like Floyd but he gets away with elbows and forearms to the neck and face. This ref destroyed a good fight and saved Bam Bam.

Let the guys box man. Hell Maidana was throwing all kinds of crazy fouls and received a warning had this ref been there the fight would have ended in round 6

FK what are the qualifications for a ref these days

Posted August 3, 2014 11:28 am 


hibdeebibdee

“This ref FK up and screwed up an epic battle”

You got that right. Although I wouldn’t call it epic. :)

Posted August 3, 2014 11:06 am 


s-dot

drakulich completely screwed that fight up with that 1st point deduction. The fight wasn’t even really messy at that point, rios was pushing with his head a lot and chaves was holding to get breaks, but by taking that first point for holding, he forced chaves to fight back with the same tactics as rios. He also enabled rios to continue to use the same tactics, and then expect more points every time.

Posted August 3, 2014 11:06 am 


hibdeebibdee

Chaves might have been ahead on the cards when the fight was stopped, but Rios was starting to exert his will on Chaves and Chaves was starting to break down. Drakulich should have let the fight go the full ten rounds. There were only two rounds left but he felt it was necessary to issue a DQ? I hope the NSAC takes a real hard look at Drakulich’s performance in that fight. Personally, I thought he sucked.

Posted August 3, 2014 11:05 am 


Bustajay

Floyd throws more elbows than Bhop
This ref FK up and screwed up an epic battle

Posted August 3, 2014 11:05 am 


hibdeebibdee

“In summary…”

LMAO! Yet another term paper by boxing expert Love-the-sport.

Posted August 3, 2014 11:03 am 


hibdeebibdee

“Vargas is promoted by Top Rank, the same promoter as Brandon Rios.”

What does that have to do with anything? Bob Arum said he was perplexed and “mystified” at Chaves’ DQ and he looked and acted sincerely bugged about it, so if you’re insinuating Top Rank had something to do with the outcome of the fights, you should stick to writing about English fighters Sorby. Because after all you are English, right? Then you wouldn’t have any Americans to b*tch about.

Posted August 3, 2014 11:01 am 


hibdeebibdee

“I can’t remember ever seeing a visiting fighter get shafted as badly as Chaves did tonight.”

You’re young, Sorby. Watch more boxing.

Posted August 3, 2014 10:52 am 


JOHNNY C

sad that the incompetence of Drakulich could determine this great fight’s outcome. Chavez was winning when the fight was stopped for no reason! in this case the referee should forfeit his purse!

Posted August 3, 2014 10:44 am 


The Pinoy Pikey

That scoring on the Vargas – Novikov fight was outrageous. Lederman, who I really like, contradicted himself with his one great punch wins the round notion (the next round Novikov caught Vargas with a great shot to the body and imo still would’ve won the round without that punch and Ledderman didn’t even aknowledge the punch). I don’t know what to think about the Rios-Chaves fight: UGLY–I’ve never been a big Drakulich fan.

Posted August 3, 2014 10:22 am 


dman

the right call!!! Go Drakulich!! Finally a ref who realizes that holding is not boxing. Make the punk fight instead of hook and clinch. More results like this would lead to far fewer boring fights like andre ward who loves to punch and hold. Thank you thank you thank you!! Ref of the year!

Posted August 3, 2014 9:41 am 


Love-the-Sport

You guys are mostly confused. Fouls were not really a big deal.

– Chavez probably was holding dirty, grabbing eyes and face

– But Mayweather did this to Alvarez … so to me it is kind of a so what

My bigger issue is that neither Chavez or Rios looked very good.

Chavez looked much better against Thuman until he got caught big by Thuman. In this fight, Chavez landed a handful of good 1-2 … but he was holding too much, running too much. Chavez was not really winning the fight.

Rios has not looked good since he beat Alvarado in the first Rios vs. Alvarado fight. Rios landed a handful of good body shots … but he did NOTHING ELSE. He did not hurt Chavez. So, Rios was not really winning the fight.

In summary, it was a disappointing fight from every perspective. Chavez was disappointing, Rios was disappointing, the referee was disappointing.

Posted August 3, 2014 9:05 am 


SREDMOND

The scores for Vargas were ridiculous!!! They basically treated him as if he dominated the hell out of Novikov which is utter nonsense…. Bam Bam Rios is not gonna fare well as a WW, his odometer has to many miles the future does not look good for him..

Posted August 3, 2014 8:42 am 


Gus

Chavez expended a lot of energy and looked spent between rounds , whereas Rios wasn’t even breathing hard .I believe Rios would have eked out the last two rounds . the Ref blew the 1st call , tried to balance the books with the 2nd foul call and he lost it with the disqualification. He should have let the fighters rough it up after blowing the two foul calls. Rios has no future against any of the top Welters and should think about another career before his brains get scrambled.

Posted August 3, 2014 8:20 am 


Pugfan

Rios’s big come back , and he stinks the joint up.

Posted August 3, 2014 8:17 am 


second2nunn

You stick up for yourself against dirty fighters and it’s usually you that ends up being penalised.

Posted August 3, 2014 6:47 am 


second2nunn

They love to take fights away from Argentinians in America. Matthysse comes to mind. Drakulich wants to be a celebrity.

Posted August 3, 2014 6:44 am 


Anonymous

Floyd will want this ref in Maidana rematch and all his future clean,health and safety boxing contests

Posted August 3, 2014 6:21 am 


klaus heisler

I thought disqualification was unfair because rios was just as dirty if not more – but in fairness to the ref he gave plenty of warning to chaves and he still continued to do his fair share of fouling. but a typical dirty performance with plenty of whining from a Robert Garcia fighter

Posted August 3, 2014 5:56 am 


Jvincy

That was a very good fight while it lasted. I think the ref tried to hard being fair after blowing the first call.

Rios was too busy trying to wrestle because his hand skills are garbage, and the ref unfortunately saw it his way. I think Chavez fouled him out of frustration more than maliciously.

Posted August 3, 2014 5:45 am 


klaus heisler

Ref saved rios from another defeat -

Posted August 3, 2014 5:14 am 


The Mad Scientist

Chaves didn’t wanna taste a knock out defeat again so he pulled a Anthony Peterson when the going got tough..whatta biatch!

Posted August 3, 2014 4:29 am 


Adrian

Against thurman this stuff didn’t happen because Thurman Knocks you out!!

Posted August 3, 2014 4:14 am 


The night of joke referees

And Floyd Jr. just found his referee for Maidana 2

Posted August 3, 2014 3:34 am 


The night of joke referees

You absolutely right Jeff Sorby, and kudos to dare to tell the truth here into one of the two biggest boxing sites in the world

Posted August 3, 2014 3:31 am 


uetal

good fight though

Posted August 3, 2014 2:54 am 


livershot

Rios was done a huge favor. He has shown no improvement in boxing or his economy with words. At 147 he has no future unless wants to be a sparring partner for the elite fighters. He will never beat a boxer who can move. He has no power and no fighting skill what so ever. He fights like a cave man. Rios = Garbage!

Posted August 3, 2014 2:51 am 


el chapo

What some idiots call “tying up” is just another way of saying excessive holding. Not “holding”, but EXCESSIVE holding. The ref could have disqualified this clown by the sixth, but gave him the benefit of the doubt and now the ref made a bad call? The holding he was allowed all night kept him from getting his head knocked out of the ring. And the head lock take down warranted a point deduction or even a DQ. Chaves has good skills but doesn’t deserve sheeaatt. Go back to Buenos Aires and learn the shoe shining trade like Barrios.

Posted August 3, 2014 2:45 am 


Captain Muffin Muncher

Terrible Refereeing by that Ref just terrible !!!

Posted August 3, 2014 2:27 am 


Anonymous

Ref Count Dracula is evil, tell that criminal to go back to Transylvania where he belongss. The judges and referee were both criminals……………….

Posted August 3, 2014 2:23 am 


TARK

When you’re telling somebody to break… and he keeps pushing and shoving his opponent in the face with his glove while you’re breaking them??? You can DQ him if you like.

Pacquiao easily tied Rios up.. He was able to control the ring and avoid all of Rios’s headbutts.. shoulders.. elbows.. and shoving with finesse.. Chaves got frustrated.

Chaves is a real good athlete, but doesn’t know what he’s doing.

Posted August 3, 2014 2:16 am 


te tumbo

Was disappointed in Rios tonight , and even more disappointed in the refs behavior.

Posted August 3, 2014 2:13 am 


Q

Guerrero Vs. Rios next.

Posted August 3, 2014 2:12 am 


Q

Chaves could have won that fight. Bad DQ, bad for Chaves, bad for Rios… he couldn’t prove himself, and he took some big and clean shots, especially on the outside, getting pot shot bombs… smh. He should definitely stay away from Thurman since he can’t handle any kind of movement and lets you tee off on him.

Posted August 3, 2014 2:12 am 


The Mad Scientist

Rios performance wasn’t all that but he instilled fear into Chaves and forced him to get himself disqualified by holding to much on the inside..Brandon proved he was the stronger, tougher and more durable fighter at 147 of the two..now I’m glad Chaves only got 25,000 for this coward performance..another choker like Lara..Lol

Posted August 3, 2014 1:56 am 


Joker

Rios = BUM

Posted August 3, 2014 1:56 am 


rjhill

Well put by Jeff.The ref got in the way of a rough and tumble fight to completely blow it.Lampley and Ward pretty much agreed.

Posted August 3, 2014 1:52 am 


Christian Michael Wians

largo picked bradley KO pac. he simply knows 0 about boxing.

Posted August 3, 2014 1:40 am 


The Mad Scientist

Largo what fight were you watching..Chaves punked out and no longer wanted to fight rios after the second round that’s why he got disqualify for holding on the inside..he knew what was gonna happen to him if he didn’t hold on the inside, Brandon would’ve ate him up and khtfo..is too bad Rios disappointed his haters by not getting brutalized and retired tonight like they hoped

Posted August 3, 2014 1:31 am 


largo

Not even the HBO crew could justify this sh!t.

Posted August 3, 2014 1:15 am 


lionhard

Now Robert Garcia got a little taste of his own Wild Berry medicine! Caveman Maidana Flintstone was WORSE with the MMA Bedrock tactics. Hopefully this ref does their rematch & catches the MMA knees to the head, with the downward rainbow spiral punches to the back of the head, along with the Low Blow Barney Rubble Under Belt shots, and who could forget the against the rope Cave Man Rope Wrestle! Wild Caveman Maidana Flintstone will be on the prowl come fight night with the help of Garcia – now they’ll rightfully take over & do the honors! Now all we need is a ref like this one!

Posted August 3, 2014 1:13 am 


largo

I see the mad scientist justifying this robbery but I don’t see te tumbo doing the same…te tumbo’s better than that.

Posted August 3, 2014 1:12 am 


largo

Dracula won the fight for the snail…Chaves got f0cked by Dracula for the benefit of a snail…go figure.

Posted August 3, 2014 1:07 am 


largo

Rios is a f’n snail & he got an undeserving gift …Chaves was f0cked.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:58 am 


hookoffthejab

There was no head lock at time of dq…….. OR RUBBING OF EYES ………………………

Posted August 3, 2014 12:52 am 


Big DC

If u look at the last head lock Chaves was rubbing Rios eyes with the gloves. Check it out.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:49 am 


The truth

Wow!! Point deductions for excessive holding. This ref needs to do mayweather fights. Mayweather will get point deductions every round. Lol

Posted August 3, 2014 12:44 am 


Love-the-Sport

- Chavez landed good 1-2 shots and few good hooks

– But Chavez also held and ran a lot

– Rios landed a few good body shots

– But Rios was inconsistent, he seemed like he was tired

Otherwise, Rios didn’t do much else and I don’t think he really wobbled Chavez in the entire fight.

My takeaway is:

– Chavez needs to improve his conditioning and improve his movement rather than hold. He needs more variety rather than just the 1-2 and an occasional left hook.

– Rios needs to improve his conditioning and just do more. He didn’t do much and frankly didn’t look that good.

Lastly, I thought Vic Draculich was speaking on behalf of the Nevada boxing commission to Argentina — this means you Marcos Maidana — don’t come back to Nevada and foul.

I think they gave Maidana a warning not to come into Nevada and could Mayweather.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:33 am 


Nicolas

Both of the main fights from Las Vegas illustrate I think a problem that foreign fighters will have if they are not the main attraction. Interesting that at least with the scoring, the scoring on the second fight was proper. I had Chavez by one point. I don’t that Drakulich was correct in disqualifying Chavez. I think both fighters fought dirty. I agreed with the point deduction by Drakulich on the lacing of the gloves. However, you once again have a American official disqualifying a foreign fighter. I wonder if Drakulich could even speak Spanish and maybe have communicated better with Chavez if that would have helped. Instead of though like HBO saying that Americans judges don’t give credit to the Russian fighters, I think they should ask if it is fair to have only American officials judging a fight between an American based fighter and a foreign fighter. In the case of the fight between Rios and Chavez, should the goal not be to find the most competent referee in the world who is available, to judge a fight between two fighters of different countries. Perhaps Drakulich was correct, but it would only seem right to have a neutral referee.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:33 am 


Q

Yeah, I say let em fight again. I though Chaves would win…. well until the 2nd point was taken, I knew i’d be really tough then. They were both rough in there. Chaves didn’t do anything at the point of the actual dq though, lol.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:32 am 


vet vic

WT… the cards were decent, I had Chavez by two, but horrible refereeing. He could’ve stop, disqualified the fight itself as both were dirty. But punish just one. They should do it again with Devo as ref.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:29 am 


Q

Chaves fought dirty, Rios fought dirty……….. I didn’t see any eye poking…. I didn’t think there needed to be a dq…. it was close but damn. If this guy was refing the Maidana Mayweather 1 fight, Maidana would have been screwed. How ironic. Robert trained Maidana to fight that way and he’s not penalized, but Robert’s fighter gets helped out by strict refing. Every last thing Chaves did, Maidana did and more. Maidana actually did an arm bar and TWISTED. He loaded up a low blow in the middle of a clinch and threw it when breaking. He tackled Floyd…. I mean….. what crazy irony this is.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:28 am 


Tomato Can

Man Rios, although not cutup, is a big WW. He’s gonna take more punishment as he fights on, but if he closes the distance he’s gonna cause problems. But I think Porter is the only fighter that will light him up on the inside at 147.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:26 am 


The Mad Scientist

Bring on Rios vs Provo!

Posted August 3, 2014 12:26 am 


The Mad Scientist

So much for Rios taking a brutal beating..Chaves no longer wanted any part of a real fight after the 2nd round so he resorted to dirty tactics to avoid inside fighting..what started off as a fight of the year candidate ended in a huge disappointing fight

Posted August 3, 2014 12:25 am 


Tomato Can

The ref made his decision, that’s boxing, period….

Posted August 3, 2014 12:24 am 


hookoffthejab

dO THEY THINK ABOUT THE FOLK WHO PAYED THEIR $$ to watch these fights ???…………

Posted August 3, 2014 12:23 am 


hookoffthejab

If Chaves gets a DQ for that ! What about Ward? he does 9 times more than that …

Posted August 3, 2014 12:22 am 


Tomato Can

Still what’s anyone going to do on the inside with Rios? If the ref won’t let you tie up, what are you going to do? what ever the outcome this was a dead even fight.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:20 am 


Q

they were both trying to straighten their heads.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:20 am 


hookoffthejab

Is this the only way Rios could win ? Their both dirty ruff fighters ….The ref had and agenda no doubt !

Posted August 3, 2014 12:20 am 


hookoffthejab

What a farce ! At the time of the DQ Chaves had done no wrong .

Posted August 3, 2014 12:18 am 


Tomato Can

I didn’t see the poking eyes on the inside, but I wouldn’t doubt it… Bradon will still give anyone hell on the inside, but he’s not beating anyone who can keep him at a distance.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:18 am 


WTF

HBO needs to be ashamed of themselves. Between the judging in the first fight and the refereeing in the last one. I have to say, WTF. House fighters must have been promised a win. I even lost resoect for Harold letterman who usally calls it like it is. He gave a round to the house fighter in the first fight that was obviously the other way. But the scoring in that first fight proved HBO is FOS.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:17 am 


Q

Rios kept trying to straighten his head into Chaves face…. Rios tried to send chaves to the canvas and Chaves wasn’t having it and kept him in a headlock. Either a rematch, or let Rios fight Thurman or Ruslan and get it over with.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:16 am 


Tomato Can

Dracula has been in several strange outcomes. But if you watch the fight again, Not only would Chavez clinch on the inside, he was swinging his head like a weapon.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:16 am 


largo

dracula just f0cked Chaves in the as$…

Posted August 3, 2014 12:13 am 


DMX

For what?

Posted August 3, 2014 12:12 am 


Tomato Can

Rios was right, Chavez was swinging his head around on the inside. Should it have been a DQ? that’s questionable.

Posted August 3, 2014 12:12 am 


Q

dq’d chaves…..

Posted August 3, 2014 12:11 am 


Q

chaves 4-4 Rios …….ref just gave the fight to Rios in that round I think…. but yeah… chaves did too much…

Posted August 3, 2014 12:06 am 


Anonymous

Hey that’s my bike where r you, I told u Vargas is winning! Don’t know nothing about boxing

Posted August 3, 2014 12:04 am 


Q

Chaves 4-3 Rios …rather close, good infighting from Rios…

Posted August 3, 2014 12:02 am 


Q

Chaves 4-2 Rios …goodness, Chaves is teeing off on Rios now… some seriously big shots…

Posted August 2, 2014 11:58 pm 


Tomato Can

Rios can’t beat many if he can’t close the distance….

Posted August 2, 2014 11:56 pm 


Q

I see Maidana would have been dq’d with this ref, lol. in 3 rounds

Posted August 2, 2014 11:54 pm 


Q

Chaves 3-2 Rios (point taken now from both) chaves landed a sick right hand in the 5th

Posted August 2, 2014 11:54 pm 


Q

Chavez 2-2 Rios …chaves ran away with that 4th round

Posted August 2, 2014 11:50 pm 


Q

Chavez 1-2 Rios (Chaves penalized for less than Maidana did to Floyd with clamping)

Posted August 2, 2014 11:46 pm 


Tomato Can

Hell they don’t want to give Chavez any chances in this one do they????

Posted August 2, 2014 11:45 pm 


Tomato Can

You can’t fight Rios like that ….

Posted August 2, 2014 11:43 pm 


Tomato Can

I got it even through 2. But if they keep fighting like this. Rios is going to break Chavez down.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:42 pm 


Q

Chavez 1-1 Rios – I’ll give that round to Rios, but it could have gone the other way. Great fight.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:42 pm 


Q

Chavez 1-0 Rios

Posted August 2, 2014 11:38 pm 


Tomato Can

man what a fight. I don’t think CHavez can win like this. They’re fighting Rios’ fight thus far.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:38 pm 


Tomato Can

LMAO, team Rios is pretty much ousting Arisa as the reason for the Drug test failure. What’s that say?

Posted August 2, 2014 11:30 pm 


Tomato Can

According to Ward, Chavez seemed to be suffering from jetlag during the pre fight meeting.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:28 pm 


Big Al

Q, I didn’t see this fight, but just by reading your commentary you’re the odd man out. Vargas is a puppet. He lost to Josesito and Khabib in fights I did see, but money or favors were exchanged to lock the win for him regardless of what happened in the ring, as long as he didn’t get KO’d. Top Rank has been spending on this kid to get cheap photo ops and interviews recently. They’re not going to let their investment to down the drain that quick. They only signed him a few of fights ago.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:27 pm 


Tomato Can

Chavez can crack. Hopefully he won’t be hampered by the late arrival.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:26 pm 


Tomato Can

But on this Rios fight. I didn’t realize the size advantage Rios would have at 147 over Chavez. At least, there appeared to be a size advantage during the weigh-in stair down. If so Chavez will have a hard time in the trenches tonight.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:24 pm 


no way vato

BERNARD h. IS A VERY DIRTY FIGHTER

Posted August 2, 2014 11:23 pm 


vet vic

These ridiculous scores should b investigated and treated as crimes. 114-114, or 115-113 either way was fair. Really bad for boxing, boxers and fans.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:22 pm 


no way vato

Danny Garcia Vs Rios would be nice.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:21 pm 


Tomato Can

Absolutely, if you want to go out with a loss, Kovelev is an acceptable one.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:20 pm 


Tomato Can

Hopkins would have been locked up without boxing, but he’s accomplished more than enough to see him through the rest of his life no matter what he does from here on out, with a few exceptions, of coarse.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:19 pm 


Kid Flash

Hopkins is to smart to get beat by this guy

Posted August 2, 2014 11:18 pm 


Tomato Can

I got to give it to Hopkins for taking the Kovelev fight. This will be a nice send of fight for him, which really he shouldn’t be in in the first place. I don’t see him getting Koed, but I see him getting tko’ed

Posted August 2, 2014 11:17 pm 


Kid Flash

His a freak without boxing hopkins would be locked up or doing the LAUNDRY !!!

Posted August 2, 2014 11:16 pm 


Tomato Can

Hopkins is old as dirt. Heck he’s older than me… lol

Posted August 2, 2014 11:14 pm 


Kid Flash

Hit his liver that always hurts

Posted August 2, 2014 11:13 pm 


Tomato Can

Some one did, but not I. Hey at least he got a knock out win, right? lol

Posted August 2, 2014 11:13 pm 


Tomato Can

Kovelev took the fight out of Caperillo with a straight right to the body. Kovelev did make a mistake that caused him to get knocked down, after a low blow.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:12 pm 


Kid Flash

DID anyone watch Jones last fight LOL

Posted August 2, 2014 11:11 pm 


Kid Flash

Roy Jones dont like Bernard much do he :)

Posted August 2, 2014 11:11 pm 


Tomato Can

surplex shot finished things. Hopkins doesn’t want to get hit like that.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:07 pm 


Kid Flash

This Aussie kid has some Kangaroo in his step !

Posted August 2, 2014 11:05 pm 


Tomato Can

You gotta score the knockdown for Caperello, but I doubt it matters

Posted August 2, 2014 11:04 pm 


EZ E

118-111, 118-111, 117-111?? Paulie Malignaggi said recently that some Vegas scorecards are made BEFORE the fight. I know what he was trying to say. Considering the totals it honestly looks like Novikov never had a chance to begin with. Seems like there’s got to be something behind all this.

Posted August 2, 2014 11:01 pm 


Tomato Can

Hmmm Caperillo’s trying to pad up his chin for this one. lol

Posted August 2, 2014 10:57 pm 


Tomato Can

Anyone know if there’s truth to the rumor about GGG, working over Kovelev in sparring?

Posted August 2, 2014 10:55 pm 


hibdeebibdee

The judges sure were nice to Vargas.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:54 pm 


KellyP20

Made in the USA

Posted August 2, 2014 10:53 pm 


Bill Bayer

Congress just approved millions to have all illegals and their kids deported. Great news I must say.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:52 pm 


Q

I’ll have to watch it again, but I think the right guy definitely won, but then again, I didn’t watch all of the rounds, lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just don’t know why everyone’s trying to act like the Russian was robbed or something. The right man won, those scores didn’t reflect his effort, but sometimes it’s like that.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:51 pm 


bobcat

Commentators are just a joke like the judges.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:51 pm 


urone2

Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

UD to Vargas 118-111 x2 117-111. That’s a BS joke. Good ole USA.

Fight are wrongfully scored everywhere in the world, you should knock that stuff off about Good ole USA.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:49 pm 


Kid Flash

Someone needs their EYES checked .

Posted August 2, 2014 10:49 pm 


Q

With so many close rounds, if you give one guy the edge more often than not, then that’s just what it is. Vargas won the first few rounds, and some of the last rounds including the 12th

Posted August 2, 2014 10:48 pm 


Anonymous

USA IS THE MOST CORRUPT BOXING NATION ON THE PLANET BY A GREAT DISTANCE. THE JUDGES ARE ALL CORRUPT.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:48 pm 


bobcat

I totaly agree with you Nicolas. Americans and Germany are just Kangaroo courts.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:48 pm 


Q

I think it would be 8-4 Vargas if anything.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:47 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

If Vargas had won 115-113. You could almost take that, but 118-111 is unfair.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:47 pm 


Q

Hey, That’s My Bike!!! – I didn’t score it, but I thought Vargas won more rounds without a doubt. The Russian won at least 3 rounds though I think…. maybe 4

Posted August 2, 2014 10:46 pm 


Nicolas

I wonder why it is never protested that when an American fighter is fighting a fighter born in a foreign country, it is not considered wrong when all the judges are Americans. People always complain when a fighter goes to Germany, and even though there may be judges even from the USA, they always say how fighters get robbed in Germany. Yet Americans never seem to feel the opposite way. Now hearing the judges score cards, You realize how rotten American judges are.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:46 pm 


Kid Flash

OUTPUNCHED total / and power punches almost the same

Posted August 2, 2014 10:45 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Novikov landed more, threw more, higher percentage landed. Yet he loses 10 rounds on 2 scorecards.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:45 pm 


Kid Flash

GTFOH 118/111 FARQ!!

Posted August 2, 2014 10:44 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

UD to Vargas 118-111 x2 117-111. That’s a BS joke. Good ole USA.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:44 pm 


Kid Flash

WOW !!!

Posted August 2, 2014 10:44 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

I have it 116-112 to Novikov. The judges are from Vegas and Vargas is a Vegas fighter. This will be interesting. If Vargas wins it shouldn’t be by more than 1 round.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:43 pm 


KellyP20

Novikov win.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:43 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 4-8 Nov – Nice combo by Nov after a body shot. Vargas getting close and clinching. No doubt Vargas is trying but is really tired. More lefts land from Novikov. Vargas follows up with a combo. straight right by Var. Novikov keeps busy. Novikov smiling at the end while throwing. Vargas might have nicked it though.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:42 pm 


Kid Flash

Jesse left all his fight in the GYM !

Posted August 2, 2014 10:41 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 3-8 Nov – Both guys throwing from a distance. Not really landing. Good left from Nov. Good scoring shots by Nov. Vargas looks gassed. Novikov wants it more. Vargas throwing one at a time. Novikov stalking and throwing multiples. Vargas trying to nick it in the last 10 sec. Novikov good round.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:38 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 3-7 Nov – Vargas looks great with the 1-2 straight. Its eems that’s all he has. Novikov throwing multiple punches. Vargas warned again for low blow. Both land simultaneous lefts but Novikov fires back again. Fast hands by Novikov in close.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:34 pm 


Kid Flash

Vargas looks like his running on empty ?

Posted August 2, 2014 10:33 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 3- 6 Nov – Novikov defends a lot with his hands up. Vargas tape is loose, another break for him. Vagas seems to be aiming for a body attack. Novikov lands a combo. Wild swing by Vargas. Novikov is busy while Vargas sometimes stands back to admire his work. Novikov defence is good and seems to be more accurate when throwing . Vargas corner is worried.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:30 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 3-5 Nov – Vargas back to the jab but doesn’t have the same snap. Vargas trying to push the pace. Konikov sticks with it too. Vargas lands low. Some good flicky scoring shots by Vargas. Konikov lands well to the body then upstairs. Konikov beating Vargas to the punch. Konikov landed 2 lefts straight. Good combo by Vargas in the last 10 sec.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:26 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 3-4 Nov – Lederman scored the last round to Vargas because of 1 hard punch. What a joke. An entire 3 min scored because of 1 punch yet Novikov landed 23-10 overall. Vargas cant fight at the same pace as Novikov. Vargas looks good when he lands but he has forgotten his jab and Novikov can come forward now without that glove in his face. Closer round that one.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:21 pm 


Anonymous

Wow i have vargas winning everyround too

Posted August 2, 2014 10:20 pm 


Anonymous

Vargas is winning almost every round

Posted August 2, 2014 10:18 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 2-4 Nov – Vargas looks good early in the rounds with his straight shots. Good body shots by Novikov. Novikov throwing combos and slowly taking over the round again. Big Big right by Vargas but Novikov no too bothered. Novikov hurts Vargas and goes the body as well. Both landed hard shots but Novikov doing the most work.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:17 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 2-3 Nov – Nov straight on the attack. Nice 1-2 by Vargas down the pipe. Both mix it in close. Vargas nice straight right. Novikov stalking. Novikov working harder. Good right by Novikov. Vargas looking tired. Konikov picking him off. Vargas landed 3 very hard shots but overall the 3 minutes was Nov.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:13 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Closing seconds of the 5th.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:13 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 2-2 Nov – Novikov comes forward relentlessly. Vargas is accurate. Both trade and connect rights. Vargas landed 2 Konikov landed 3. Konikov is looking stronger. Vargas jab is key. Konikov slips rights and lands left to body.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:09 pm 


Hey, That’s My Bike!!!

Var 2-1 Nov – The Russian is breaking Vargas down mentally and to the body. However if you listen to the commentators you would thing Vargas was in there with a heavy bag.

Posted August 2, 2014 10:05 pm 



Leave a comment on

Referee ruins fight, Rios beats Chaves on DQ; Vargas defeats Novikov









Back To Top

Close this window.

0.239