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jonvdw

Cotto vs. GGG is never going to happen because of the simple fact that Freddy Roach, Miguel and everyone in his entourage know that GGG knocks Cotto out in the first half of the fight. Freddy knew that Sergio was done, and now they have the lineal championship. In an ideal world, the lineal champ would have to face the perceived best challenger, but on planet earth, the lineal champ gets to milk his title against undeserving opponents. Cotto will fight a gimme in december, and in the spring or summer of 2015 he’ll cash out against Floyd or Canelo. Golovkin has to just keep knocking everybody out, and sooner or later, HBO will put up the cash to lure in big name. I’m personally still hoping for Carl Froch, because that would be an instant classic.

Posted August 23, 2014 3:50 am 


shaq

Come on Cotto I know you got more heart then the rest of these boys…so go ahead and fight the WBO CHAMP ANDRADE because them boys are all running scared of this man!!!

Posted August 22, 2014 6:08 pm 


Moby dick

I would also direct you towards power punch comparisons in some of mannys fights. You could look at the Bradley fights, or some older ones. Mannys % of power shots is usually quite high. Does he always get the ko? Not many always do. But his risk taking and willingness to open up is why he was at one point a devastating fighter and puncher.

Posted August 22, 2014 5:12 pm 


Moby dick

Whether manny has more power than cotto or Maidana is highly debatable. However it is not our point of discussion. Our point of discussion is: you suggest that it is unfair to ask May at age 38 to go up to fight bigger more powerful guys? I tell you may can stay pretty much where he is and fight a good power puncher like manny. But it is not abt size. It’s abt power. As I said, 5 years ago, manny would have seriously hurt May. And May has stated that this is why he didn’t fight manny. May said this: he doesn’t want to end up hurt. This is public record. I also say, PAC has diminished and would no longer get the KO. But may still has the fear.

Posted August 22, 2014 5:07 pm 


Moby dick

KOs are only ONE indication of power. There are many others. Like a head getting viciously snapped back. Or the debilitating effect of good body shots.

Posted August 22, 2014 5:00 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Golovkin should’ve jumped at the chance to defeat the “son of a legend” Chavez Jr., which was not a certainty by any means. he would’ve been the toughest challenge Golovkin’s faced thus far, which leads me to believe that didn’t rEEEally want to not only make himself available for Chavez Jr.” – Tumbo your facts are wrong. GGG was ready to fight Chavez Jr on PPV. But his lawsuit against Top Rank scuttled it. That’s Chavez Jr’s doing, not GGG.

Posted August 22, 2014 4:58 pm 


SREDMOND

If Floyd was “afraid of power” then Manny should be amongst the first he would fight! Pac Man cannot get guys outta there anymore… The likes of Cotto, Maidana and Canelo all can smash a foe who takes clean hits from them…

Posted August 22, 2014 3:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Moby Dick, KO’s are an indication of POWER and Manny has SLIPPED Cotto, Canelo, Maidana are FAR bigger and more powerful than Manny who cannot even produce the volume anymore and Mayweather handled them ALL… He spotted Maidana and Canelo 30 pounds between them and still won without being hurt or hitting the deck…Learn

Posted August 22, 2014 3:01 pm 


Moby dick

You are making a fool of yourself by slipping into snide personal comments abt blue collar mind. As if you know who or what I am. Stick to the discussion. Who talked abt KOs? We were talking abt powerful punchers. I believe may was scared of pacs power. That’s why he and uncle expressed publically their fear of being brutalised by pacs power. May wants to get to old age and be in good shape. He will succeed.

Posted August 22, 2014 1:06 pm 


SREDMOND

Moby Dick, he did not STOP Margarito are you trying to award Manny a KO that he did not get???

Posted August 22, 2014 12:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Moby Dick, I NEVER saw Mayweather “running from Pac Man” the political reasons for the bout not happening are beyond the scope your your understanding given the limitations of a blue collar mind…. Manny is a GREAT fighter and ATG, that said all it took was one of Floyds snacks (Marquez) to pretty speed him towards retirement.. Again facedown azz up that’s the way we like to fcuk! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted August 22, 2014 12:58 pm 


Moby dick

And I’m trying to recall margaritos face after it ran into the fighter of the decade train…

Posted August 22, 2014 12:54 pm 


Moby dick

And I recall the one and only beating on cotto pretty well. There goes THAT theory, LOL.

Posted August 22, 2014 12:47 pm 


Moby dick

So why did May run away from him?

Posted August 22, 2014 12:38 pm 


SREDMOND

Moby Dick, your analysis is poor Pac Man is NOT a big power puncher at Floyds weight in fact he is very substandard in that regard… Between Cotto, Maidana and Canelo they had over 90 stoppages 140 and above… Manny Pacquiao has 3 stoppages 140 and above and the last one was 4 or 5 years ago…

Posted August 22, 2014 12:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Pugfan its curious that you don’t seem to want to see GGG against anyone BIGGER than him? Pac Man cannot fight at 154 let alone 160 the man began as a flyweight… Circus fights don’t prove anything after a certain point..

Posted August 22, 2014 12:15 pm 


Moby dick

The one power puncher at Mays weight and size that he could of fought if he wasn’t so scared of being beat up was the one and only. 5 years ago the one and only would made mince of May, now the fight would be a more even contest as PAC has declined. These days the fight would go the full 12. If we ever see it.

Posted August 22, 2014 12:15 pm 


Pugfan

if his skill set is that much superior then what is the big deal? actually I would also like to see Paquiao vs. GGG.

Posted August 22, 2014 11:07 am 


SREDMOND

This attempt to say “well if you think Floyd is so good then why not put him in with Bigger and Bigger people” is a thinly veiled attempt to let size do what the skills of his opposition cannot…Floyd has proven he came move up in weight and he is more than physically topped out at close to 38…If GGG is “All That” lets see him knock Ward or Stevensons head off…

Posted August 22, 2014 11:02 am 


SREDMOND

Pugfan, Golovkin does not really have 50% of Floyds overall skillset.. He is STRONG and he can punch, Carl Froch does NOT have 50% of Floyds skillset but he is strong and he can punch, Sakio Bika does not have 33% of Floyds skillset but he is STRONG and he can punch hard… Reality is that these fighters are all TOO big to face Mayweather and they have ALL pretty much stayed true to their best divisions whereas Mayweather has started at a miniscule 130 and beat Top opposition at 154 while not even making the limit… GGG is not a natural fight and his skills should not even be mentioned in the same breath as a virtuoso boxer like Mayweather…

Posted August 22, 2014 10:56 am 


SREDMOND

Pugfan, that fight has EVERYTHING to do with GGG’s size vs Floyds talent level… What other WW fighters are you proposing that Golovkin faces? reality is that the odds of a WW fighter beating Floyd are NOT high, after moving up 24 pounds and pushing 38, Mayweather absorbing punches from guys who walk around at 175-180 pounds hardly seems like a reasonable request… I KNOW you will say that GGG is REALLY a 154 pounder who has been fooling the planet and boxing guys at 160 since the amateurs but that argument does not work with me… When GGG goes to war with a couple of Cruiserweights or LHW’s then we can discuss how Floyd Mayweather winning World Titles in 5 weight classes is not enough…

Posted August 22, 2014 10:52 am 


Squeale

Following the discussion. That was an interesting predictive text type: plotting. Actually G man is rather a plotting fighter. Stalking and plotting his punches.

Posted August 22, 2014 10:39 am 


Pugfan

plodding. sorry about my misspelling.

Posted August 22, 2014 10:34 am 


Pugfan

you claimed that GGG has a plotting European style right?

Posted August 22, 2014 10:30 am 


Pugfan

why not Sredmond? would you not pick Floyd to out box GGG?

Posted August 22, 2014 10:26 am 


Pugfan

people would like to see Floyd vs. GGG because of GGG’S talent level. it has nothing to due with weight. if GGG was in a weight class just below Floyd rather then just above Floyd people would still be calling to see them fight.

Posted August 22, 2014 10:22 am 


SREDMOND

Why would Mayweather fight a MW when he is the farthest thing physically from a MW boxer??? Danny Garcia and Lucas Matthysee come to the ring heavier than Floyd and they both fight at 140 pounds.. It baffles me that guys want to see an aging fighter continually move up in weight and get hit by guys that have a distinct physical advantage.

Posted August 22, 2014 9:19 am 


Neil (pomy)

**wants**

Posted August 22, 2014 8:41 am 


Neil (pomy)

Cotto wont be fighting any middleweight like GGG. High-risk-low-reward. He will be fighting blown-up welterweights / light middleweights. I agree with Tark that he will be hoping Floyd wont a middleweight belt ….. Floyd wouldn’t fight any big, dangerous middleweights either.

Posted August 22, 2014 8:40 am 


Pugfan

Avon lady LOL

Posted August 22, 2014 6:45 am 


Squeale

That’s why the honourable thing to do is honourable. It’s usually the more difficult choice. Living by your own standards can be tough. There are easier options for cotto and he can do what he wants. But if he doesn’t face the next best in the division he is champ of he will be criticised.

Posted August 22, 2014 6:01 am 


dick tiger

Aside from the hard work that he puts in, I think that one of the reasons that Golovkin is so strong is that he is fighting at the right weight. If they still had same day weigh-ins I doubt that it would cause him much trouble. He appears to be a real middleweight and doesn’t have to weaken himself making weight. Chavez Jr. is 6ft-1inch tall. I would like to see him at light heavyweight. He wouldn’t have to kill himself making weight and he might just be strong as hell.

Posted August 22, 2014 2:41 am 


te tumbo

“And why would u imply a straight up dude like GGG backed outta the fight”. i have no reason to doubt that GGG is a “straight-up dude” in his personal life but as a fighter? where’s the supporting evidence for that conclusion? 30 bouts under his belt and not a single one that any fight-fan could cite as a “favorite”. in fact, even if you narrow the selection down to only include Golovkin’s bouts you couldn’t cite one as being your “favorite Golovkin fight”. compared to what?

Posted August 22, 2014 2:32 am 


TARK

“If GGG were to fight Cotto , I could see the fight ending in a similar fashion as Cotto Margarito #1″

NOPE!!! That was Frankenstein clubbing the Avon Lady with plaster casts.

It would end more like Mosley-Margarito or Pacquiao-Cotto, except it would end in 2 rounds.. Cotto was in the right place at the right time when he fought Martinez. He beat a 39-year-old gimp on his last legs.

Cotto’s going to milk it with 2nd raters challengers – hoping to be Floyd’s last fight.

Posted August 22, 2014 1:31 am 


brza da originator

I actually like jnr kid has an atg chin as good as his daddys but these arum haters blaminh bob for giving him extra money to sign on don t know what there talkin about . Thats not just how boxing promoting works thats pretty much how business in the free world is conducted . Btw im not an arum fan I just hate people ragging on him for nothin . Arum does plenty shady s**t save the criticism for that . And why wud u imply a straight up dude like GGG backed outta the fight . Weak

Posted August 22, 2014 12:02 am 


teflon

Cotto beat Martinez yes but the reality is he was old and injured. Cotto is washed up he hasnt been no good every since he took that beating by Margecheato as soon as a guy gets one good win they are quick to say he is back and needs to fight Floyd but again Martinez was not good enough to expose him. Canelo or GGG will break Cotto down like a fraction.

Posted August 22, 2014 12:00 am 


te tumbo

howEver, it was more an assertion that Golovkin gave up on a presumed purse-split conflict but (again) that was before I read the ESPN article exposing Arum as the primary culprit and what’s so hard to believe about that? a Lot easier to believe that Chavez Jr. wouldn’t want to fight a smaller fighter for the next biggest payday of his career.

Posted August 21, 2014 11:55 pm 


te tumbo

BRZA, you squeezed your way out of that one with the “implied” qualifier. nonetheless, that was in response to any implication that Jr. didn’t want the fight (why not?) and before i looked up the ESPN article, which explicitly states that Arum sabotaged the bout by trying to extort Jr. . . . you may now put down the cock.

Posted August 21, 2014 11:53 pm 


brza da originator

@pugfan it would be very similar to margirito but GGG would take less flush shots n he would stop him earlier . Imagine if cotto pulled ir off though it wud be the biggest win for any current fighter legacy wise . When was the last time the linear champion wud be such an underdog against a contender ?

Posted August 21, 2014 11:45 pm 


moe

I am not a big fan of Chavez, but I think he can give GGG al kinds of problems, he might even win. Chavez has a great chin, hes taller than GGG and he hits hard to the body. GGG may be great but we really don’t know that yet. Cotto doesn’t have to fight GGG, he shold move down and take on Canelo.

Posted August 21, 2014 11:30 pm 


Pugfan

if GGG were to fight Cotto , I could see the fight ending in a similar fashion as Cotto Margarito #1

Posted August 21, 2014 11:29 pm 


Pugfan

having said that , I would still buy the bout.

Posted August 21, 2014 11:27 pm 


Pugfan

in much the same way people were saying that Martinez was all washed up after his loss to Cotto , I can hear everyone crying that Cotto was all washed up after he would loss to GGG.

Posted August 21, 2014 11:25 pm 


Pugfan

GGG dose not need Cotto. GGG is becoming a star in his own right. At this stage of their careers Golovkin would look better on Cotto’s resume , rather then the other way around.

Posted August 21, 2014 11:22 pm 


brza da originator

A way smaller purse

Posted August 21, 2014 11:21 pm 


brza da originator

The relatively unknown golovkin should ve jumped at the chance to face the son of a legend chavez jnr . How the f**k is that not implying golovkin backed out of the fight . U implied Ggg did nt jump at the chance for the fight where report s are he was willing to take a smaller purse . Don t start skewing s**t either by twisting ur words

Posted August 21, 2014 11:20 pm 


te tumbo

“one of ur earlier posts u implied GGG backed out of the fight”. produce the post. it’s that simple. otherwise, you’re spouting out of your ignorant cocksucker. I’m Calling You Out. PRODUCE THE POST or look like a pathetic dumbsh*t desperately seeking my attention. “Step Up, Punk”.

Posted August 21, 2014 11:07 pm 


brza da originator

Chavez was gettin 6.5 million n backed out . How do u think promoters get fighters to stay with them . Not offer them bonuses to stay wit them ? Maybe they just pay them and then ask them if they will stay now that they got what they want . Im sure thats what al haymon does . Right ? And in one of ur earlier posts u implied GGG backed out of the fight . Forget exactly what u said but it was pretty pathetic

Posted August 21, 2014 10:50 pm 


te tumbo

“Arum offered a guy extra money to stay with him something that is the very core of business dealings around the world” NOT if you feel you’re being ripped-off and told what to do by someone who is NOT willing to risk his long-term health for your payday. it’s called extortion. that may work with marshmallows like you but some Men don’t have a price when it comes to controlling their own career and lives.

Posted August 21, 2014 10:50 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, i post to aggravate the dense and stupid, like You . . . Mission Accomplished . . . NEXT?

Posted August 21, 2014 10:44 pm 


te tumbo

“did u imply GGG backed out of the fight?” NO but i explicitly posted that Arum sabotaged it for his own promotional interests and that Chavez Jr. didN’T back out. why should he? this is an imminently winnable bout. GGG’s proved nothing at 160lbs. i won’t even consider giving him the benefit of the doubt at 168lbs.

Posted August 21, 2014 10:43 pm 


brza da originator

Te tumbo why did u imply GGG backed out of the fight ? Arum offered a guy extra money to stay eith him somethin thst is the very core of business dealings around the world . Wtf does that article u posted prove . Chavez was still the one who backed out u just posted the reason he gave .R u intetionally being stupid to agravate the rational knowledgable fans on this site . If u are then u r more inteligent than I gave u credit for . Kudos

Posted August 21, 2014 10:30 pm 


rigs

Cotto vs canelo

Posted August 21, 2014 10:27 pm 


dick tiger

Cotto won another title and SM made a damn nice retirement check. I don’t have any problem with that. It’s not like fighters have a nice fat pension to fall back on. IMO Cotto should defend the middleweight title at 160 or return to 154. I have seen enough catch-BS to last me a lifetime.

Posted August 21, 2014 9:07 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, Arum would not want to pay and extend the contract of a fighter he deemed to be a certain loser. Arum doesn’t risk losing his own money. only that of his fighters.

Posted August 21, 2014 8:56 pm 


te tumbo

“I know that the Chavez team was asking for unreasonable money” that Arum was willing to give him IF he agreed to the extension. it’s extortion, plain and simple and a typical Arum ploy to lock a marketable fighter into his stable.

Posted August 21, 2014 8:54 pm 


TARK

… “one of the central issues in the negotiation”

Didn’t say it was the only central issue.

Posted August 21, 2014 8:47 pm 


TARK

I don’t know about a contract extension, or Bob Arum’s roll in blowing out the fight… I know that the Chavaz team was asking for unreasonable money.

It’s a negotiation, and Chavez’s team wouldn’t agree to terms. Their chances of winning were certainly dismal. How do you go from tough fights with Brian Vera, to Gennady Golovkin, who knocked out 12 straight opponents in World Championship fights???

Posted August 21, 2014 8:45 pm 


te tumbo

By Dan Rafael | ESPN.com
May 12, 2014, 9:18 PM ET

Golovkin, who was willing to move up in weight, signed for the 12-round super middleweight fight weeks ago, but Chavez and Top Rank have been going back and forth, unable to come to terms. Arum said Chavez’s contract with Top Rank expires in October 2015 and one of the central issues in the negotiation for the Golovkin fight was Top Rank’s desire to have him sign an extension, but Chavez did not want to.

how difficult was that? finding the Truth, that is.

NEXT?

Posted August 21, 2014 8:42 pm 


te tumbo

“there were stories about the fight all over ESB”. TARK, i just reviewed the archives and there were only two ESB articles dedicated to this potential July 19 matchup. the last one reported a $1 million overweight penalty that Chavez Jr. agreed too. Peej’s recollection about Arum demanding a contract extension that Jr. didn’t want sounds a lot more accurate and realistic (i plan on following up). do you seriously want to talk boxing or just continue to yank turds out of your butt and sling them on to these message boards? . . . C’Monnn?!?

Posted August 21, 2014 8:30 pm 


TARK

GGG is not unknown, and you know better… He’s big box office. Golovkin fought twice in MSG and is a 12-fight World Champion.

He’s much more highly respected than Brian Vera.. who lost to lowly punching bag Andy Lee.. Vera is obviously not good enough to be considered as an opponent for Golovkin—but he made 2 tough fights against Chavez.

Golovkin DID want the fight with Chavez.. But the Chavez team apparently just wanted the publicity that comes with announcing a match with a fighter of GGG’s caliber.. Boxing sites all over the Internet were announcing the fight and Golovkin when into training as his team was ironing out the details.

Then came Chavez’s money demands. He deliberately priced himself out of the fight.

Posted August 21, 2014 8:11 pm 


PROUD REDNECK

te tumbo I knew that the Chavez v GGG fight just plain wasn’t gonna happen and expected Chavez and his pop to find a way to git outta of Dodge. First is was ’bout them Benjamins, then about options. It was reported that GGG was willing to give a slice of his enchilada to the kid to make it happen but nothing, not even with the weight advantage was gonna broker the fight. Not trying to hate on anyone just stating some facts and my opinions. Could be that some have forgotten when kid Chavez did the same when Arum tried to put together a Chavez vs Cotto. That would’ve been a good one. Papa Chavez was some rascal until he stuck around too long. One of my AT favorites.

Posted August 21, 2014 8:10 pm 


PEEJ

Tark Chavez didn’t pull out because of money. He pulled out because Bob Arum wanted to extend his contract and Chavez didn’t want to. Arum wasn’t making the fight unless he extended his promotional contract

Posted August 21, 2014 8:07 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“Tim Bradley, Andy Lee and possibly Marco Antonio Rubio”

What a crock. Cotto doing his best to take the safe path to protect his middleweight title. He should be fighting GGG or Canelo but we know that’s not going to happen.

Posted August 21, 2014 8:03 pm 


brza da originator

@te tumbo did nt golovkin sign off on all Chavez s demands n was just waiting for jnr to sign off . Do u know this already r do u choose to ignore it just so u can hate on a fighter u don t like but don t really have a genuine reason yet to discredit him as hes always fights the best guys available. U just know u hate him . Right ?

Posted August 21, 2014 7:57 pm 


te tumbo

the relatively UNknown Golovkin should’ve jumped at the chance to defeat the “son of a legend” Chavez Jr., which was not a certainty by any means. he would’ve been the toughest challenge Golovkin’s faced thus far, which leads me to believe that didn’t rEEEally want to not only make himself available for Chavez Jr. but a target for other 168lbrs desperate for a marketable opponent. Btw, “Zurdo” Ramirez would’ve been an equal or sterner test for Golovkin at that weight. not surprised he wasn’t considered either.

Posted August 21, 2014 7:52 pm 


Blah blah, blah…

I like Freddie Roach and all but the guy talks out both sides of his ass… criticizes Mayweather for years for ducking Pacquiao and making excuses… yet he is doing the same thing with Cotto fighting GGG… Vernon Forrest, Winky, Paul Williams… all guys that were heavily avoided in their day. But I don’t think I have ever seen a fighter as avoided as GGG is now.

Posted August 21, 2014 7:45 pm 


te tumbo

“Chavez pulled out by demanding more money”(?!?). that’s not pulling out. that’s leveraging his superior 48-1-1 marketability against a less proven and untested 30-bout fighter moving UP in weight. how come when Pacquiao* does it to an active and certifiable boxing HOFr like Marquez you assert it as “good business” but it’s always something else when somebody else does the same with more justification? also, haggling over purse-split is par for the course. haggling over gloves, location, catchweights, harmless testing, 40,000-seat venues, $10 million overweight penalties, and purse-splits with fighters who just put him into dEEEp sleep is irrefutable evidence that Pacquiao* really DOESN’T want to fight. you’re simply delusional.

Posted August 21, 2014 7:37 pm 


TARK

Tumbo.., “when did Chavez Jr. pull out of the Golovkin fight?”

Chavez pulled out by demanding more money. Everybody knew they were in extended negotiations to fight. There were stories about the fight all over ESB.

But Chavez turned down the millions that were being offered. Gennady was a World Champion and Chavez wasn’t. Chavez lost to a 37-year-old Martinez so his market value had slipped. Fans knew Jr. wasn’t a super good boxer after that result … GGG was still willing to give up some of his guarantee so Chavez could get more money … and save the fight.

GGG was already in training for a 168-pound fight.

But when somebody really DOESN’T want to fight, they get insanely unreasonable in their money demands and the fight goes away. They also don’t get KO’d.

GGG’s team then went after Geale – a former 160lb world champion who had also never been stopped… Geale turned down numerous previous offers to fight GGG.

They offered Geale a lot more money and he took it… If you have a kid who knocks everybody out, it’s never easy.

Posted August 21, 2014 7:23 pm 


Ok

Cotto is damaged goods

Posted August 21, 2014 6:31 pm 


te tumbo

meanwhile, i think Cotto is working too hard to ensure he selects the least dangerous December opponent. otherwise, what’s their to think about? Canelo or Golovkin are his most logical and profitable choices. Quillin is in his vicinity as well as the likes of Kirkland. this bullsh*t headline implies that “selecting” a December opponent is difficult. it isn’t. aVoiding a risky December opponent while still collecting a significant payday may take some work.

Posted August 21, 2014 6:19 pm 


te tumbo

when did Chavez Jr. pull out of the Golovkin fight? i never heard or read it ever went beyond consideration. please direct me to the source of this information. otherwise, STOP posting assumptions as fact. Thanks.

Posted August 21, 2014 6:16 pm 


TARK

Sremond LIES.., “Endorse GGG against Rubio who has 6 losses 3 of which are by stoppage???”

I’m not endorsing the fact that GGG has to fight guys like Rubio… If Quillin, Cotto, or any middleweight ranked above Rubio was willing to fight Golovkin he would take that fight.

Rubio has 16 wins and one loss in his last 17 fights… He lost to Chavez by decision, a guy who pulled out of a Golovkin fight… That fight will give some comparison.

If Golovkin smashes Rubio out in a couple rounds that creates separation from anything anyone else has been able to do to Rubio in the last few years.

Still not what fans want — but they’re looking to stay busy.

Posted August 21, 2014 6:12 pm 


Clintons Trumpet

GGG is the #1 mw in the world.

Everything else is just wind

Posted August 21, 2014 6:07 pm 


brza da originator

Sredmond I dont really have an issue wit cotto not taking the GGG fight I have more of an issue wit this being the second linear champ in a row who won t fight him . The canelo fight will probably be at a catchweight n I expect canelo to win but I also expect canelo to avoid GGG . That will be 3 linear champs in a row possibly who won t fight him . I was gonna give miguel who im a big fan of a pass but where does it end . I know ward eould take the fight in the morning but who knows when his legal trouble s will be over n I fully ecpect froch n chavez yo duck gennady too . Whats the solution ? I don t know but as a boxing fan I can t in good conscious defend guys( even if im a fan of them ) of not taking on the most dangerous guys . Boxing is in trouble this yr and im still kinda down from seeing meatheads on another thread gloating( I wish I was kidding ) about garcia salka doin significantly higher numbers than brook porter . So despite my alliegiance to certain fighters im gonna be a fan of the sport first n whats best for it

Posted August 21, 2014 4:41 pm 


joe grande

Cotto Vs Bradley make it happen.

Posted August 21, 2014 4:28 pm 


SREDMOND

Braza, Cotto has had the title for all of 5 minutes and suddenly its all about Golovkin? we all know that Cotto is not likely to campaign at MW when a bout with Canelo is out there… If GGG is so committed to facing Cotto then why fight BEFORE December? Khan held his skinny AZZ in check waiting for FMJ..It did NOT pan out but he kept himself available for the bigger contest… We have seen GGG in ENOUGH “stay busy” fights..

Posted August 21, 2014 4:13 pm 


SREDMOND

No Braza, Floyd Mayweather CANNOT just “Snap his fingers” and make a Pac Man fight… The blood feud between these companies is REAL and it cost Schaefer his job and Oscar nearly his company… During the past 5 years NO bouts have been made and just because Manny stands there grinning and uttering little English does not mean he gets a pass on pushing this bout… When has he stormed the ring? or raised bloody hell? NEVA! I could care less if GGG fights Rubio the larger point is that LAUDING Rubio, while denouncing Maidana as a fighter is an unsupportable and politically motivated position that I will point out and chide those who espouse it…

Posted August 21, 2014 4:08 pm 


DaTruth Hurtzzzz

Canelo is Elite above 147lbs because he weighs 172+lbs and is going to fight Joshua Clottey next.. LOL

Posted August 21, 2014 4:00 pm 


brza da originator

Btw GGG gets a pass for fighting rubio because hes the best guy they can get for the date . Floyd mayweather can fight anyone he wants including making a manny pacquaio fight wit one statement . When GGG starts fighting guys who are not as good as other fighters who want it then I will rag on him from a height ( doubt that happens ) .

Posted August 21, 2014 3:26 pm 


PEEJ

brza I can agree with you about Cotto not being elite above 147. But I don’t believe Sergio was shot and that is the reason he lost against Cotto. I think he made the mistake of thinking he was the bigger puncher. And Cotto showed that he wasn’t. He had been knocked down a lot in his fights. So I don’t think he was shot at all. I just don’t think he was that great nor do I think he was elite. I thought he was overrated by people. Not saying he was garbage but he was never on Cottos level.

Posted August 21, 2014 3:22 pm 


brza da originator

Tark I agree man . A lot of guys on here acting like their miguels accountants . I give mad props to the man for a great career but if he does nt fight GGG thats 2 lineal champions in a row who ducked him . I notice a trend since haymon s name started cropping up that fans of his main fighters seem more concerned wit the business side of things than what happen s in the ring . I was on a thread yesterday where guys were GLOATING that rod salka garcia did better numbers than porter brook !!! Im not lying . Me as a boxing fan wants to see GGG ward tomorrow even though they never fought in the same division so why cant we expect the lineal middleweight champion to unify against the top contender . I was giving Miguel a pass if he vacated the title but not if hes gonna stay at 160 n do his best Sergio martinez impression of ignoring GGG . Btw Miguel is a hofer but no way is he an atg

Posted August 21, 2014 3:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, GGG is facing Rubio because he WANTS to!! Cotto was not scheduled to fight again until December stop making EVERYONE responsible for Golovkins career except Golovkin…

Posted August 21, 2014 3:14 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, you want to talk about “watered down risk free fights” then you wanna sell us on how competitive on paper Algieri is against Pac Man… This is easily one of the biggest mismatches of a fighter of that magnitude in a LONG time…

Posted August 21, 2014 3:12 pm 


SREDMOND

Really Tark? you are “even handed” ??? Well then explain to us why you were down on Mayweather facing a guy who had 3 losses to World Class guys and then you turn and endorse GGG against Rubio who has 6 losses 3 of which are by stoppage??? Explain why you are QUICK to go after Cotto 3 minutes after he wins the title but you are BIG upping Pacquiao for facing Algieri who according to his trainer is NOT in Mannys class or close… As if we needed Freddy Roach to tell us that… You are the MOST Uneven poster around

Posted August 21, 2014 3:08 pm 


TARK

I’m even handed… Cotto is an ATG fighter, with a great jab — but he refuses to fight the top guy in a division where Miguel is the lineal champion.

What does one fact have to do with the other???

It’s IDIOTS like you who don’t want to see the best fight the best — and make excuses for promoters who give us watered down, risk-free fights.

Fights that lack drama or competitiveness — and are muggings rather than fights… That kind of crap I don’t enjoy and get tired of.

Posted August 21, 2014 3:01 pm 


TARK

Before the Brook-Porter fight, Rob Smith kept talking about how bad it would be for Brook once he lost to Porter. After the fight he could only find “2 or 3 rounds” to give to Brook.

Now we have Smith talking about Rubio as a December opponent for Cotto if he beats Golovkin. The only reason GGG is fighting Rubio is because the Cotto and Quillin teams won’t entertain discussions about fighting him.

Talking about Rubio beating Golovkin makes as much sense as Hecdog’s notion that Guerrero was going to KO Floyd Mayweather.

Smith is the most partisan writer I’ve ever read. About 20 are tied for 2nd place—but even the fight itself never changes Smith’s mind, when it’s contrary to his analysis.

Posted August 21, 2014 2:35 pm 


KAREEM ABDUL-JABAAR

Lets all hope Cotto never picks a fight with GGG,because GGG would KO him and take the title.

Posted August 21, 2014 2:27 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Expect a punching bag. Cotto lucked into the gimp version of Martinez and now will play keepaway with those belts. Needs to face GGG or go back to his real division, 154.

Posted August 21, 2014 1:36 pm 


DaTruth Hurtzzzz

same idiot Chihuahuas complaining about Cottos opponents and Danny Garcias opponenents are the same imbeciles totally ok with Canelo taking on an old shot Angulo, Old smaller Mosely and now an old worn Joshua Clottey?? LOL what fkn Morons..

Posted August 21, 2014 1:09 pm 


Anonymous

Martinez not overrated, he just fought whoever was availble for him and that was guys in the mwt division, not real big in stature so we may have to consider him as an overachiever…..but overrated, not by any means

Posted August 21, 2014 12:49 pm 


pactards r us

Cotto shouldn’t be taking easy fights at this stage of his career.

Posted August 21, 2014 12:40 pm 


brza da originator

Peej cotto was no doubt an elite fighter at 140 n probably 147 but this present version is not elite . I believe p4p he was certainly a better fighter than sergio at theyre best but the reason he walked thru him so easy in there fight is because Sergio was shot . This fight in the summer cud not come at a better time for canelo . Hes on the incline n miguel s on the decline . Expect saul to make a slightly misleading statement.but have no doubt the kid is getting better n I fully expect in retrospect 160 to be considered his best career weight

Posted August 21, 2014 12:37 pm 


teflon

Cotto is damaged goods

Posted August 21, 2014 12:28 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez was a solid Champion with a damn good record, he pretty much got robbed against Kermit Cintron and his fight with Paul Williams could have gone either way…He defended the belt 6 times which is not a joke and 3 of his defenses were against SOLID undefeated fighters like Dzindurik, Chavez Jr and Barker… Had GGG gotten he shot against Martinez and destroyed him guys would have lauded the win, meanwhile Cotto who could NOT even make the limit steps up to the plate and weighing in at 155 puts the MEGA hurt on Sergio, outboxes him, out slugs him and gives a career defining performance as a veteran in his own right… Cotto has to be respected he was the UnderDog and did his job in STYLE…

Posted August 21, 2014 11:46 am 


PEEJ

There was nothing wrong with Martinez other than the fact he was overrated to begin with. Look who he has beaten. Look who he got a gift against. Sorry but he was not that great to begin with. Cotto beat him because Cotto is elite and Martinez was never elite.

Posted August 21, 2014 11:40 am 


Anonymous

yes Cotto earned it, by fighting all comers throughout his career…it’s not his problem if a fighter is injured, washed up or not as good as expected…Cotto is also at the final chapter of his career. Very few thought he would win his last fight and had written him off, now all of a sudden the same idiots are clamoring for him to fight GGG,,, g will get his chance as long as he keeps winning…Cotto paid his dues already regardless what he does…

Posted August 21, 2014 11:05 am 


SREDMOND

Cotto does NOT need to do anything that is NOT in his best interests… Cotto is NOT a MW, he is 5″7 on his best day and hit the ring at 155 against Martinez… Why would the GREAT Cotto turn down perhaps 15 mill to fight Canelo when GGG was willing to move down to 154 to fight Mayweather because of the $$$$??? or move up to fight Chavez Jr because of the $$$$$… Cotto has EARNED the right to pursue the best options for himself financially he is closing in on the end of his career Golovkin has to wait his turn and earn his stripes like Martinez who did not break thru till he was 35 years old…

Posted August 21, 2014 11:00 am 


Squeale

Cotto seized the moment, caught a hampered and deteriorated Martinez. He wasn’t to know for sure before the fight how it would go so he still deserves credit for taking some risk against an old star who many still thought would win.

The honourable thing to do would be to stay there and defend the title. Hope it happens.

Posted August 21, 2014 10:36 am 


detroitko

should be andy lee…

Posted August 21, 2014 10:34 am 


brza da originator

If its not Ggg I hope its andy lee . Good skilks likes to bang good chin but bad defence n stamina . Don t see how him n Miguel cud be in a bad fight. Plus it wud bd a great nyc atmosphere in the garden between the micks n the ricans . I hope they put veredijo on theundercard against a step up

Posted August 21, 2014 10:32 am 


PEEJ

People on here talking about Cotto vs Bradley are the same people saying Floyd is cherry picking. So stop you have no clue about boxing. Bradley does not deserve any fight with Cotto. Bradley is not a 154lb fighter. So how can he get a fight with Cotto at 154 right away. Please stop. Nobody wants to see that fight. Bradly needs to try and rebuild himself at 147 or maybe 140 since he keeps getting injured at 147.

Posted August 21, 2014 10:09 am 


Anonymous

all ggg has to do is keep winning and his time will come, meanwhile time will take it’s toll on the elder statesmen and a new wave of contenders will come along, the sport will go on regardless of the quality of fighters available, it has a way of taking care of itself…..in the meantime let Cotto enjoy his success, he earned it

Posted August 21, 2014 9:56 am 


moe

Cotto isn’t a 160 lb fighter. he didn’t weigh 160 against Martinez. A fight with Bradley at 154 would be a good fight. I think Cotto should leave that weight and fight at 154.

Posted August 21, 2014 9:48 am 


SREDMOND

Here we go with EVERYONE starting to whine about Golovkin, GGG has a fight with Rubio scheduled and look at the SLEW of BUMS he has fought in his career… Cotto has a fight with Canelo out there that could set him up for LIFE if things go well… Golovkin has gotta wait his turn and get his money up, Cotto has moved up 4 weight classes in pursuit of glory and riches he fought the best and won and lost against them… Golovkin has to keep paying his dues

Posted August 21, 2014 9:43 am 


Auzbox

Won’t fight GGG as he can’t win, bum then canelo which he won’t win. He is a great but falls short against the ATG s

Posted August 21, 2014 8:36 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Well I would love to see the Lineal/WBC world middleweight champion Miguel Cotto fight for the WBA world middleweight title regardless of opponent. That will say the winner between Gennady Golovkin & Marco Antonio Rubio.

I want world title unifications to happen in the middleweight division.

Posted August 21, 2014 8:16 am 


chrisukbtown

Cotto aint cherry picking fighters, he aint Mayweather..GGG doesnt deserve to fight him YET..I would like to see him against Bradley, would be a good fight and give Cotto another KO win.

Posted August 21, 2014 8:02 am 



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