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srminimo

Te Tumbo- You’re going Old School, my man. The only thing left of Iris Chacón is probably a sack of bones and some silicone pads in a coffin somewhere.

Posted November 8, 2012 1:45 pm 


srminimo

Kshdhjjk- Amén con acento en la e.

Posted November 7, 2012 3:21 pm 


te tumbo

Btw MINIMO, i’m not beefing with you (or PR fans for that matter). i’m just clowning confused Mfrs like “WTF?!?” whose been flooding every thread about a Mexican fighter with his bitter piss for months. his sustained meltdown is such a spectacle, that I can’t help but wind him up and laugh as he makes a Stupid-Ass of himself . . . Again and Again and Again . . . :twisted:

Posted November 7, 2012 10:29 am 


srminimo

Oh, and that wasn’t anonymous, that’s me.

Posted November 7, 2012 2:18 am 


Anonymous

Tumbo- The comment about Mexican women was a bad joke, my apologies. My brother is actually married to a proud Mexican woman, so it’s not a comment I would ever make seriously. Regarding Puerto Rican citizenship, we’re actually both wrong. Citizenship was granted in 1917 so that Ricans could fight on WW1. From a history book:
“En 1917 se remata la situación con la Ley Jones que dispone que el gobernador y su gabinete serán nombrados por el gobierno norteamericano y el pueblo sólo podrá elegir a la cámara de delegados. Esta ley también concede, por la fuerza, la ciudadanía norteamericana a todos los puertorriqueños, con lo cual la primera guerra mundial encuentra a muchos en sus filas.”
So we were, in fact, granted US citizenship so they could force us to fight in the war. I just had the wrong war.
And yes Taínos we not violent indians, to the contrary, they were very peaceful and constantly under attack from Caribes. As for Raza never conceding supremacy to any foreign occupier, that’s also untrue, México was actually occupied by both Spain and France. In fact, until 1821 the country was actually called Nueva España. And the mighty Aztec empire bent over and gave away your gold to about 100 Spaniards full of fleas and gonorrhea. But you don’t know that because you’re a chicano and not a true Mexican:)

Posted November 7, 2012 2:17 am 


te tumbo

CHAPO, i can take it or leave it but when you vatos start getting all hypocritical and self-righteous on these threads, i can’t help but want to add to your uncontrollable spin (lol). besides, nobody provides more foaming-at-the-mouth spectacle than “WTF?!?” that is one confused mf’r.

Posted November 7, 2012 1:45 am 


mando323

its all a cycle Boricaus will catch fire nothing better than a mex vs pr battle it happens!!! money talks so talent will be nurtured!!!! i am a mex so can’t wait for boxing nothing better for us latinos then a pr vs mex super fight!!!!!

Posted November 7, 2012 1:18 am 


te tumbo

what truly needs to change are the imaginary items that PRs post as “fact”. from Columbus discovering America in the 1800s(?!?); characterizing passive Tainos as “sun warriors”(?!?); being the first(?!?) to outlaw slavery; PR satisfying a desperate U.S. need(?) for manpower to prevail over the Japanese and Germans in WWII; to their imaginary “rivalry” with Mexico; It Never Happened. None of It. these are facts that American students master before leaving middle school. WTF is going on in PR(?!?) and i hope that WE’re not paying for it.

Posted November 6, 2012 4:05 pm 


srminimo

Jack Dempsey- Agree 100%. Most of he latest crop of PR fighters have lacked the physicality to succeed at the highest level and we have not had a real sturdy guy in a while. I’ll take Orlandito Del Vale out of the list because he did take everything Darchinyan had to offer and to me it was just too much too soon. And I think W Vazquez Jr. was also thrown to the lions a bit too early. But Juanma, Dulorme and even Cotto, to a lesser extent, are not as durable as a long list of Ricans that could give as good a they took. Mexican fighters have always had great lungs and resistance and I’ve always thought there is a genetic aspect to it (those Aztecs must have been some MEAN dudes- possibly because Aztec women were so ugly:) along with the elevation of DF and all that hot sauce they drink. Yet guys like Gómez, who fought and beat Pintor, Zárate, Valdez (and a bunch more) and Tito, who was famous back home for running marathons and could have been a world class runner, had either a higher level of fitness or a higher level of hunger or were physically superior to our current crop of fighters.

Posted November 6, 2012 1:47 pm 


Jack Dempsey

To M. Mendoza,,, you are right defense is very important skill,,but the Puerto Rican fighters do have good defense ,,you are wrong in saying that they have to catch up on their defense skills …Puerto Rican fighters can slip ,,bob ,,and weave with the best of them ,,at least they did before ,,,my point is the Mexican fighters dont have very good defense skills its rare if they do ,,,their technique is not to skillful ..the Mexican fighters sometimes win on guts and durability …

Posted November 6, 2012 2:45 am 


MMendoza

Jack Dempsey: It does not mean that PR boxers can’t take a punch any more than the Mex boxers. The whole thing is that poor defense is a sure foolproof way to become a victim of cummulative punch damage — even a soft-pillow puncher like Malignaggi can stop another boxer if they have no defense. Yes, I believe PR is backwards when it comes to conditioning boxers for the long haul. At least Beristain, Garcia, Roach, Sarmiento, Virgil Hunter, seem to be light years ahead on that. It’s just a matter of time before the PR boxing trainers start catching on and give these benefits to their talented and fearless PR boxers. Fearlessness without proper skills in defense is bad for our boxers anyway.

Posted November 6, 2012 2:30 am 


Anonymous

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!………..PRICELESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted November 6, 2012 2:19 am 


Jack Dempsey

Here’s that real facts guys ..the Puerto Rican fighters are very slick,,powerful punchers ,, their technique is some times a thing of beauty ..the way they slip punches ,,,BUT!!!! guys like Salido ,,,Margarito ,,,,Sanchez…Chavez,,,, Segura ,,,they all have one thing in common they can take a better punch then fighters from Puerto Rico ,,,It seems the Mexican fighters for some reason can absorb more punishment ,,and come back in the late rounds and pull out a victory … ALL the mexican boxers on this list were being out box ,except ( Chavez ) by the Puerto Rican opponent ,,but the fighters from Puerto Rico just could not make to the end ,,,This is some thing the trainers and fighters from the beautiful island of Puerto Rico need to figure out ……I’m ready for back lash!!!!

Posted November 6, 2012 2:16 am 


Anonymous

he is from st croix

Posted November 6, 2012 2:15 am 


sal.o

To el Chapo : you had a good article going there ,,about good fighters not having good trainers ,,it seem that you gave it some real thought ,,Then all of a sudden you end it with some stupid remarks about race that puts you in the same category as idiots like WTF??? and Te Tumbo….

Posted November 5, 2012 11:11 pm 


ERICK THE RED

CHAPO LOOK JUANMA CALDERON LUIS CRUZ ERICK MONTIEL WILFREDO VASQUEZ THEY ALL GOT BEAT UP BY MEX FIGHTERS A WALK ON SUNDAY MY A S S YOU GUYS ARE SUCH A LOOSERS PLATANEROS ISLEROS CHANGOS NEGROS

Posted November 5, 2012 11:02 pm 


Mex

Chapo on crack…..its Puerto Ricans who get there panties wet when they beat a mexican. Mexicans are use to beating PR. there is no rivalry anymore….and last time I checked the title to this article is ” Puerto Rican boxers, …what needs to change? “…..hahahahah you idiot!!

Posted November 5, 2012 10:06 pm 


te tumbo

“our point is that [Dulorme] can claim to be Puerto Rican we won’t turn out backs on him..” but You Immediately did just that on November 2nd in the “Argentina continues to shine” thread: “I’m Puerto Rican and I thought it was a very good win for Abregu.. the Dominican Kid fought hard but he’s too young” (LoL). “That was a sweet Victory over a Mexican by Puerto Rico..” really”?!?” v. a ringworn veteran whose prime ended about the time he lost his rubbermatch v. Barrera about Eight (8) years ago”?!?” only goes to show how desperate some PR fanboys are to boast of a win . . .ANY win. “. . . but we know you were claiming Chavez Jr. was going to be the next Great Mexican fighter” where? where is the evidence for this claim of yours”?!?” otherwise, i posted that a Junior win over Martinez would be the biggest upset of 2012 and guess what”?!?” he almost pulled it off but the odds were always against him v. a P4Pr like Martinez. at least, he got a lot closer than Calderon, Lopez, Vasquez Jr., or Dulorme ever did . . . “Cannn-Ta y no Llores” . . . (LoL).

Posted November 5, 2012 3:43 pm 


Anonymous

there will always be great fighters from puerto rico same as mexico, cuba etc…..it’s just that there is opportunity in other fields with a more lucrative and steady income…not everyone that is a great athlete chooses boxing as a profession, especially if there is an easier way to make a living…….

Posted November 5, 2012 3:27 pm 


te tumbo

what needs to change is the rush and desperation to declare a national champion as opposed to cultivating a talented prospect into a world champion who can compete with or without a national fanbase, e.g,, Chavez Sr., Barrera, Marquez, Morales earned their credibility and transcended only national support. the formula: a foundation of “40 Tia-Juana cabdrivers” that results in the poise and maturity to seriously contend for international titles.

Posted November 5, 2012 1:53 pm 


Ricky

In a way…. This is the Tito effect. Everyone wants to be like Tito. But Tito in his had a decent, no great, but decent defense. Now, I disagree about the Hopkins fight. There was just no way. Just like ODH vs. Hopkins. Bernard was just too big. Tito didn’t belong to that weight. And as he went up in weights his punch output numbers went down. And against Jones…. there wasn’t even a reason for them to be in a ring together. Thank God Roy took mercy on Tito. Way too big

Posted November 5, 2012 10:07 am 


Anonymous

In a way…. This is the Tito effect. Everyone wants to be like Tito. But Tito in his had a decent, no great, but decent defense. Now, I disagree about the Hopkins fight. There was just no way. Just like ODH vs. Hopkins. Bernard was just too big. Tito didn’t belong to that weight. And as he went up in weights his punch output numbers went down. And against Jones…. there wasn’t even a reason for them to be in a ring together. Thank God Roy took mercy on Tito. Way too big

Posted November 5, 2012 10:06 am 


chapo610

Im Puerto Rican and I agree with some of the comments posted here except all this mex vs pr crap we both produce great fighters and for pr fighters to need new coaches i dont think thats the problem its giving these prospects super star bank look at juanma he got 11.5 million to face a war warn Marquez before he even he fought Salido putting that much money in there pocket they dont really care about legacy loss they get signed by top promoters they think they made it . So far i heard named like cotto, juanma , dulorme , i was more surprise nobody mentions Luis Cruz a good fighter but as soon as he gets signed to Cotto Promotions he’s lost 2 (Mexicans) but none the less he and others just care about money and not the more important Belts legacy honor respect.

Posted November 5, 2012 9:26 am 


Mex

And Salido ended Juan ma big lips career.

Posted November 5, 2012 8:30 am 


WTF???

No Tumbo we were not thinking Dulourme would be the next Tito Trinidad the original Mexecutioner.. that would be a stretch.. but we know you were claiming Chavez Cheato Jr. was going to be the next Great Mexican fighter and as we saw vs a top fighter he was nothing more then a Glorified head first Angulo…. Mexico has not produced a true unbeaten world Champion since the late 90″s.. that piss poor, Canada has produced more Champions then Mexico.. So has Aregentina in the past decade…

Posted November 5, 2012 8:30 am 


WTF???

You’ve been in hiding since Young Puerto Rican Danny Garcia retired Sore Loser Eric El Cheato Morales… That was a sweet Victory over a Mexican by Puerto Rico.. Maybe Eric Morales should’ve respected Danny Garcias punching power instead of being a sore loser and saying that Danny did not know how to throw a punch.. that Punch Danny threw Knocked his ASS out Cold.. reminded me of how Tito Trinidad ended your hero Fernando Lardasses bogus Career…

Posted November 5, 2012 8:23 am 


WTF???

Tumbo – Everyone here knows you’ve been claiming that Dulurme was not Puerto Rican for months and that he was a Dominican (which he is) when you thought he could turn out to be the next big thing out of Puerto Rico… our point is that he can claim to be Puerto Rican we won’t turn out backs on him.. Just because he lost one fight vs a tough older guy… DeMarco got punked vs Valero.. Luveaneu got starched vs JuanMa, young guys will lose vs top older guys nothing new there… at least Dumorme is fighting tough opposition and not the creame puffs they keep feeding the Mexican PrimaDonna Canela…

Posted November 5, 2012 8:20 am 


te tumbo

awww c’mon(?!). you sound like a bunch of hysterical desperate housewives. so i’m busting “WTFoolio’s” chops a little. after all the piss he’s been spraying for months? this is barely a little push-back by comparison. besides, he’s been pumping-up Dulorme like nobody’s business. it’s fun to watch Him (not necessarily PR) fall flat on his face, Again (lol). otherwise, “break it up . . . there’s nothing to see around here”.

Posted November 5, 2012 2:19 am 


Jack Dempsey

This is exactly what i mean about WTF??? and TE TUMBO these guys turn a good article about boxing into their own private racial war ,,,Of course everyone wants their fighter from their country or ethnic back ground to win ..but these two guys just want to bash other fighters that are from a different nationality ,,,,and then other idiots get involve…

Posted November 5, 2012 1:39 am 


Geek 215

But it can be more of a Challenge for Mexicans because if not born here in the U.S. are considered aliens.

Posted November 5, 2012 1:10 am 


Geek 215

This Puerto Rico vs Mexico is just stupid we are Latinos after all and as Latinos face the same challenges here in the U.S.A. such as Education, Employment, Poverty and Racism.

Posted November 5, 2012 1:02 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

You are correct Hidalgo…

Posted November 4, 2012 11:42 pm 


Hidalgo

Or maybe I’m wrong. Am I ESB fans?

Posted November 4, 2012 10:14 pm 


Hidalgo

Well, I didn’t know “puertorican” was a word. I mean really, Omar, you can look up the correct spelling of the country on a globe or Atlas: “Puerto Rico,” thereby “Puerto Rican.” If you’re going to publish an article for the whole world to see, at least show some journalistic professionalism. I can live with little typos but “puertorican” is a pathetic error.

Posted November 4, 2012 10:13 pm 


Mex

Puerto Rico has no elite trainers…put ur pride down and knock on one of the Garcia brothers door or Nachos B. door to train you guys and you may probably be able to compete again in boxing….@ WTF …yes Danny beat Morales but the whole boxing fans expected him to beat a dinosaur and Chavez Jr yes is a B fighter but he just planted the p4p champ on his ass. and Canelo will face Mayweather soon and prove he is legit. Of course a mexican loses a fight now and then , boxing is 70% Mexican fighters. We fight every weekend on a card …idiot!!!

Posted November 4, 2012 10:03 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

What an absolute garbage article.

Posted November 4, 2012 8:59 pm 


AAficionado

Puerto Ricans are Americans and they can parade in NYC or on the Island or anyplace else in the USA. We arrived on Easter Sunday, 1513, so when did your people arrive?

Posted November 4, 2012 8:25 pm 


Zian

First I will state this I am Puerto Rican but I will not waste my time arguing with the Te Tumbo who has made a career in east side boxing bashing every Puerto Rican fighter that has ever lived or with ignorant Puerto Rican who insult Mexican fighters for no apparent reason, most of those being Puerto Rican living on the states ironically, me personally I am a boxing fan first and foremost and I live in Puerto Rico. My favorite two fighters ever are Sergio Martinez and Juan Manuel Marquez. That being said Te Tumbo has to come to grips that Puerto Rico pound for Pound produces more world champions than any other place in the world and Puerto Ricans have to come to grips with the fact that the future looks bright for Mexican fighters and not so much for fighters of our ethnicity.
And so the last truly great fighter of our country was Felix Trinidad, Miguel Cotto is building a nice legacy for himself but his short comings against Pacquiao and Floyd will cost him when Matched especially against the Welterweight version of Trinidad from a historic perspective. With the downfall of Puerto Rican born and raised Thomas Dulorme whose parents are in fact Dominican, Puerto Rico is left looking towards Jose Pedraza and Felix Verdejo as our best hopefuls but a series of issues will need to be resolved before we ever have another Tito again.
1. The trainers- in disturbing trend one that afflicted even the mighty Trinidad Puerto Rican fighters are being trained from an early age to punch well and be aggressive with a static style that makes our fighters too easy to hit (Prime Calderon being the exception). Dulorme an athletic kid who could possibly move on his feet very well doesn’t do so, because simply he wasn’t taught to do so. Trinidad didn’t move well but he had freakish punching power, excellent punching technique, incredible stamina and recuperative powers, unfortunately fighters like him don’t come very often. Until some teaches our fighters to punch from angles and move we will fail at the elite level more often than not.
2. Live style- Is it common knowledge to all Puerto Ricans living in the island that Miguel Cotto likes to party, he likes to party late and drink till the point of absolute drunkness…ask Bernard Hopkins and Sergio Martinez whether they down alchohol even occasionally and they will answer a resounding no…Miguel has great boxing ability but his stamina never ever kept up with his talent, and probably never will if you drink alchohol from teens till your 30s it shows especially in hard long fights Cotto’s poor conditioning and night life have contributed to his premature aging, Cotto might be 32 but Martinez at 38 is physically much younger. Unfortunately many of our fighters have fallen into that trap Wilfred Benitez and Gomez being standard bearers for irresponsible fighters.

In short Miguel Cotto was technically a brilliant fighter but his lifestyle ruined a career that could have possible reached even greater lengths, Dulorme might never ever reach elite status because we have very poor trainers that don’t teached movement and proper defense so it doesn’t shock me that the latest Puerto Rican sensation in boxing Danny Garcia isn’t Puerto Rican born and bred but a product from Philly, we have some catching up to do.

Posted November 4, 2012 8:23 pm 


Jack Dempsey

to Sal .O,,,, you hit it right on the nose ,,the new breed of Puerto Rican fighters are drifting away from the art of boxing like they did it in the old days ,,look at Benitez or Wilfredo Gomez these guys were hard to hit ,,,they had a certain style to them that made it look like art work …And to Sal.O you are also right about that Moron ,,WTF ??? he is definitley a big loser who has no life what so ever…

Posted November 4, 2012 8:13 pm 


WTF???

Sal.o – just an FYI, neither Puerto Ricans nor Mexicans, Argeninians, Cubans, Dominicans, Panamanians etc are Races.. none.. just Ethnicities with their own Culture…

Posted November 4, 2012 8:07 pm 


sal.o

As far as Puerto Rican fighters go ,,the fighters from Puerto Rico are much better at technique then the one that are raise in ,, America ,,and they seem to be a lot tougher ,,Cintron and Danny Garcia dont fight like a true Puerto Rican fighter ,,they both have no head movement and they both are not pretty to watch ,,like Esteben DeJesus or Benitez or Gomez ,,may be that is the problem now the Puerto Rican fighter now a days dont follow the beatiful art of boxing like before …Also to WTF??? dont post anything any more you are an Embarrassment to your race!!!!

Posted November 4, 2012 8:04 pm 


WTF???

Tumbo, just tell us all what Great Mexican Boxer Mexico has produced in the last decade that is an undefeated World Champion??? and please do not mention that RED PuTTa Canela and his padded bogus record..

Posted November 4, 2012 8:00 pm 


WTF???

Mexicans haven’t been doing sht in the ring.. a bunch of wannabees that get exposed once they face top guys like what happened to Soto Karass, Chavez Chicken Jr., Dumb Dumb Rios, etc etc etc.. They haven’t produced a top world champiion in over a Decade.. they have been busted more then any other group cheating but that’s just how they Jelly Roll… :lol:

Posted November 4, 2012 7:58 pm 


WTF???

Tumbo – why would we be crying?? We had a blast last weekend watching Young Puerto Rican Danny Garcia lay out Mexican Sore loser Eric Morales out COLD flat on his back in a fetal position.. looked like a drunk chihuahua… Mexicans haven’t been doing sht in the past weeks against top guys…. Chavez Chicken Jr. getting humiliated by Sergio Martinez.. . Last night a Mexican got Knocked da fk out cold in Japan,.. LOL they’ve been getting their ASSES handed to them quite often.. next will be Abner Mares vs the Panamanian… and Demarco vs Boner…

Posted November 4, 2012 7:55 pm 


sal.o

I dont agree with this writer at all ,,the way Puerto Rican fighters have been fighting is good enough ,,they dont have to make a change if they have a good trainer ,,and i mean a good trainer ,,,you dont have to go to the mountains to train ,,like this writer claims ,,unless you are going to fight in the mountains then it will help you ..once you are back at sea level your oxygen level go’s back to normal ,,The Great,Wilfredo Gomez and the Great,Benitez never had to leave the island to get better ,,As far as Tito Trinida goes he is not in my top 3 greatest fighter of Puerto Rico …

Posted November 4, 2012 7:55 pm 


Dimelojudo

It is not just Puerto Rican boxers but just about anybody. In the past boxing was dominated by a few countries and the notion that those countries were the best at producing champions became the norm. However, competition has changed with globalization, and those who were on top are struggling to stay there due to this factor. Nowadays, you have boxers from all over the world competing compare with a few countries in the past. With the fall of “communism”, we saw the emergence of a great amount of athlete that could not compete at the professional level due to the rules established during those days. Now, that is over: we have Cubans, Russians, South Americans, Africans, etc. Of course, US fighters will have an edge due to location. I mean, they are here; and therfore, more visible than someone somewhere else in the middle of nowhere. Nowadays, if a champion fights those at the top, their title reign expectancy is not as long as in the past because there is more competition; nevertheless, you ill have those exceptions to everything: Marvin Hagler (would be great regardless the era). I think Cubans will dominate most of the division they enter because of the workload they have and the sound fundamentals. Nevertheless, we all now that talent and skils are not the only think that plays in the boxing arena. So the next time you look at a Puerto Rican boxer as the next best thing make sure you look around because the next Marvin Hagler may reincarnate somewhere else.

Posted November 4, 2012 7:50 pm 


Cortes

wonder how many Puertoricans te tumbo has fought….

Posted November 4, 2012 7:27 pm 


te tumbo

. . . and the spiraling meltdown continues . . . (lol)

Posted November 4, 2012 7:15 pm 


MMendoza

WTF: You are making some very true valid points about our PR boxers. Not every country can have the equivalent of the Mayweathers for training quality, but even so, the boxer trainer for PR has to only get better. I am very much interested to see how far Angel Garcia (despite his temperament) can continue to train Danny for the future. So far, they seem to work well together.

Posted November 4, 2012 7:06 pm 


WTF???

Puerto Rican Boxers need to get back to what made the great which was flashy boxing with speed and power like Camacho Sr. The problem with many of todays Puerto Rican Boxers is that they try to hard to be the next Tito Trinidad the original Mexecutioner.. they want to rely more on KO power and not so much on defense and flash Boxing.. That combination is not something that comes too often…

Posted November 4, 2012 5:32 pm 


WTF???

And no Mexican ever beat the Great Puerto Rican Tito Trinidad.. NONE!! yet he ended the careers of a lot of hyped Mexican Wannabees like Fernando LardASS the Hassbeen warrior..

Posted November 4, 2012 5:26 pm 


WTF???

Cintron may have lost to Canela but Cintron ended Steriods abuser Angulos Career when Cintron boxed his ears off..

Posted November 4, 2012 5:25 pm 


WTF???

JuanMa may have lost to Steriods abuser Salido but JuanMa ended Mexican Luevanos career when he left him slumped in the corner knocked dafk out Cold…

Posted November 4, 2012 5:24 pm 


Myrna Mendoza

The aggression first approach with reckless regard for defense is only half of the equation. Yes, aggression may work sometimes but not all of the time. Change of location for training and the latest training and conditioning techniques can work well for PR boxers because they will be away from home distractions and not copying their old, bad habits in training. Another change would be the boxer evaluating how effective their team is and disregarding their love for friends and family if they are not being properly trained or if they see they are at the same level of skills one year after the next. Very little chance there because PRs live for their family and friends. Hopefully, PR will have better trainers who do not only focus on one dimension of the science thereby leaving their boxers with limited skills which do not transfer to the higher levels of experience.

Posted November 4, 2012 5:02 pm 


Anonymous

Keep—away—from—da—mexicans.
No jokin’, papi.

Posted November 4, 2012 2:45 pm 


te tumbo

Stop facing Mexican fighters . . . I’m serious . . . :twisted:

Posted November 4, 2012 2:41 pm 


The Kingslayer

Stop taking knees……….I kid I kid ;-p

Posted November 4, 2012 2:16 pm 



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