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Goosey

Lol.. Ali sucks, but Herbie Hide was great… Lol.

Posted November 8, 2012 8:33 pm 


SREDMOND

But you guys fail to realize that Herbie Hide was the GREATEST because Vitali stopped him with a punch to the neck or thereabouts… LOL

Posted November 8, 2012 5:46 pm 


Goosey

PS.. Akinwande also beat Hide in the ABA’s.

Posted November 8, 2012 5:03 pm 


Goosey

TARK. “Hide was 31-1 and a Heavyweight Champion of the World when Vitali flattened him.”

Hide was 25-0 and a UNBEATEN Heavyweight Champion of the World when Bowe flattened him. Six times, four years before Vitali did. The only two real world ranked heavyweights Hide ever fought both knocked him out.

Nobody was interested in the WBO title at Heavyweight in the mid 90s. Henry Akinwande was also the unbeaten WBO Heavyweight Champion of the World when he lost to Lewis for the WBC title in 97. They never even bothered fighting for the WBO title that night, Nobody regarded the WBO title as anything but a joke at heavy back in the mid 90s, and any boxing fans who watched the fights at the time knows this.

Posted November 8, 2012 4:39 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

I agree. Trying to pump up Hide as a great to make his boy look like something he isn’t is a little weak. Maybe he will be able to think more clearly if he would remove those Ukran genitals from his mouth.

Posted November 8, 2012 4:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark is going to try and oversell ANY fighter that gets in the ring with Vitali or Wlad…Meanwhile he will talk Ali into being a journeyman in lieu of a relative scrub like Hide…. Bears thinks that Holyfield was a joke at HW meanwhile NO top fighter who ever faced him would dare utter those words…. Not Bowe, Not Lewis, Not Tyson, Not Moorer, Not Mercer and Not Foreman…. These goons lust to pump up the Klits has rendered them illogical in the extreme….

Posted November 8, 2012 1:12 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Heavyweight champion of the world? Get a clue. He beat an 11-1 fighter that was actually suffering from a brain issue before he ever got in the ring with the great Herbie. In his first defense he was knocked down SEVEN times and stopped by Big Daddy Bowe, a fighter who most uninformed so called fans think was not much of a fighter. Only a douche-nozzle would try to build up Herbie to much more than he was to make their case.

Posted November 8, 2012 12:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark cut the nonsense that fight with Hide HARDLY ruined him the guy was not that good to begin with… Vitali hit him with a weird shot and that was that he was not destroyed or beaten to within an inch of his life…He was not beating up Top fighters before or after Vitali cut the crap…. Bowe put him down what 6 times??? Why are we not waxing on about Bowe destroyed the unremarkable Herbie Hide???

Posted November 8, 2012 11:06 am 


TARK

Hey douchenozzle cumsucker…. Hide was 31-1 and a Heavyweight Champion of the World when Vitali flattened him.. Vitali destroyed him and ruined his chin so he couldn’t beat anybody good anymore.. Man he got clocked.. A lot of guys beat Tony Tucker, Jimmy Young, and Ezzard Charles too … after they got smashed half to death. But they could actually fight at one time.

Posted November 7, 2012 11:35 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

That same douchenozzle also wrote: ” Hide was flattened by one punch from Vitali in the 2nd round—proving VK had one-punch power enough to stretch a World Heavyweight Champion with a 31-1 record.” Hyde who was a puffed up cruiser, was also KFTO by a 3-6-2 fighter and a 19-5 fighter, neither one of which had never posted any other significant wins in their journeyman/club fighter careers.

Posted November 7, 2012 10:34 pm 


Goosey

BEARS

“Dude, there is no holyfield vs bowe fight where holy looked better”

Holy looked better than Herbie Hide did v Bowe in all of three fights.Win or lose.. IE: The very point I was making in the first place..

Posted November 7, 2012 7:03 pm 


Goosey

See you later folks….

Posted November 7, 2012 6:55 pm 


Goosey

And I am not going to get involved in another LL v VK debate.. Both of them are awesome fighters..

Posted November 7, 2012 6:53 pm 


BEARS

Dude, there is no holyfield vs bowe fight where holy looked better. Dudes aways been a featherfit. Holy has never been and. And never will be better than bowe. Bowe had his number. So trying to talk up holy cause he got “the nod” from the judges is sad. Anyone who watches the fight would say that the decision could go either way. Bowe the took it out of the judges hands with a ko. That’s the story. Trying to talk up holy by saying he beat bowe and then bowe beat hide so holy is somehow good is ignorant. Holy never concisively beat bowe and there is nothing about holys bouts with bowe that make holy look good. Golata did to bowe what holy could not. Lol

Posted November 7, 2012 6:51 pm 


Goosey

BEARS.. Good to see you.. Like I just said.. I highly rate the K-Bros. I am still not keen on the new ESB format though..

Posted November 7, 2012 6:50 pm 


Goosey

I highly rate the K-Bros.. But GTFO with all this Herbie Hide crap…

Posted November 7, 2012 6:46 pm 


BEARS

Tark, rubes, goosey,k2 fan, myself, and the worm redmond are all BACK! Who are some of theother guy’s?

Posted November 7, 2012 6:45 pm 


Goosey

Holy goes 24 rounds with Bowe, losing the first one, then winning the second one.. Bowe stops the unbeaten Hide in 6 rounds.. After this Bowe and Holy have a third fight.. Bowe wins this one in round 8, after Holy had nearly killed him.. But Hide is better.. Lol.

Posted November 7, 2012 6:09 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

Herbie Hide was never anything but a 200Lb cruiserweight.

Posted November 7, 2012 6:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Any dismissal of Tarks fantasies and constructs is considered “negative” and biased….Herbie Hide was nobodies big deal and thats a reality that cannot be escaped his record is strewn with fodder…

Posted November 7, 2012 5:54 pm 


Goosey

Its just too depressing and negative to point out Hide got parked in 6 rounds by a guy that had just lost his titles to Holy?

Posted November 7, 2012 5:37 pm 


Unbiased Dane

Tark dont waste your time on sredmon and his cheerleaders. Its just too depressing and negative.

Posted November 7, 2012 5:32 pm 


Goosey

Typo.. WBA

Posted November 7, 2012 5:16 pm 


Goosey

Herbie Hide??? Bowe stopped Herbie Hide in 6 rounds when Hide was the unbeaten 25-0 WBO champion. That was 14 months after Bowe had LOST his WBF\IBF titles, and unbeaten record, to Holyfield, after going 24 rounds with the guy and winning the first one on points. Yet somehow Hide is a big win and Holyfield isnt…

If Hide is such a great heavyweight, how come he has spent the last 5 years fighting at cruiser? Stick a 95 Hide and a 95 Holyfeild in the ring and see what happens… Ouch, Herbie just got smashed up!

Posted November 7, 2012 5:12 pm 


SREDMOND

EVERYONE knows VK wears guys down and does not stretch them out like Lewis and others did…. Lennox smashed lackeys like Golota, Grant and Briggs…. Klits had to go 12 with Briggs when he was OLD and operating at 30% lung capacity….

Posted November 7, 2012 3:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark Herbie Hide already been stopped and he held 0 wins over true prime World Class fighters… Tony Tucker was WASHED up and had booked a 3 fight losing streak before he got a couple wins over nobodies… Tucker was 39 years old…. Why the hell do you have to go back to Hide in order to prove Vitali has one punch KO power LOL?? That fight happened in 1999, its 2012!!! Foreman was 45 stopping HW Champions with a couple combos 20 years after he started….

Posted November 7, 2012 3:14 pm 


TARK

George Foreman was 6’3 “X 217 for his first Joe Frazier fight—widely considered his best fight so it was probably his best weight … Herbie Hide was 6’2″ X 221 for Vitali Klitschko.. It was Hide’s 3rd title defense after stopping Tony Tucker in 2 for the title… Hide was flattened by one punch from Vitali in the 2nd round—proving VK had one-punch power enough to stretch a World Heavyweight Champion with a 31-1 record.

Posted November 7, 2012 3:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Nice, try Tark you can try to undermine Foremans power but fact is he was on the WRONG side of 45 and winning period was a testament to his skill… Including Moorer his last 7 or so opponents were like 127 and 9 if I am correct, ALL had winning records and could not book a win against a guy who was 46 years old… You can try to diss him if you want but the man was seriously talented to be able to compete approaching 50… As for Briggs/Foreman that was a serious controversy that most honest fans acknowledge.. I would not expect you to join that camp….

Posted November 7, 2012 2:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you don’t know boxing… Holyfield fought a HARD cast of characters ie Bowe 3 times, Tyson twice, Foreman, Mercer BEFORE he was 41 like Wlad, Lewis twice…Moorer twice…. Holyfield had uncommon valor and fought like a bull despite being the smaller man on MOST nights…..Klits never crossed swords with this caliber of fighter…

Posted November 7, 2012 2:49 pm 


TARK

Two 1-2′s on Moorer—who was winning so easily he nodded off. But that was the only KO or knockdow Foreman scored in his last 7 fights—against guys Lewis wouldn’t dream of fighting except for Briggs.. Briggs beat Foreman and Lewis always wanted to unify the titles … People win the lottery but it doesn’t mean they’re clever gamblers.

Posted November 7, 2012 2:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Foreman had something Vitali NEVER did, which is ONE punch KO power… Klits has to pound on even small guys he outweighs by 30 pounds for 10 rounds to get the night over with (Adamek, Gomez)….. Even as an OLD man Foreman knocked out a top notch young Champion with ONE combo and despite his later slow hands he was able to keep guys honest in the ring….When is the last time that the HUGE Vitali just cold knocked a man out???? Foreman would never have needed 10 rounds with poor Adamek he would have cracked him in short order

Posted November 7, 2012 2:46 pm 


SREDMOND

Vitali does NOT suck and he is a HOF level fighter but there are alot of things he did NOT prove or accomplish and when challenged to produce the results his nutty fans default to testimony, opinions and conjecture as opposed to videotape.. I say again he is ONLY the 2nd best HW fighter of this ERA… His brother has come the closest to unifying, is Ring Champ, fought better more relevant foes and has MORE defenses… You guys are trying to sell this based on the testimony of “Chris Byrd and Wlad”…..Vitalis not the BEST now, so its impossible he can be the best in history…

Posted November 7, 2012 2:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Foreman was still competing with guys like a prime Shannon Briggs during his last bout and most think it was a pretty gross robbery that he lost… Meanwhile Vitali was STILL trying to make a name off of OLD Briggs and had to go 12 rounds….Foreman knocked out 23 more men than Vitali has even defeated in the ring to suggest he could not hit when he produced a KO over an undefeated YOUNG Champion who had beat an ATG is a serious joke on Tarks part… More insanity….

Posted November 7, 2012 2:23 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

By looking at Moorer flat on the canvas, I would say Big George was hitting pretty hard at that point. If you are ever able to view it, you will notice Big G threw a combo and noticed Moorer left his chin out there so Big G threw the same combo again, lights out.

Posted November 7, 2012 12:25 pm 


upset

Can’t wait to see Wach drop Wlad

Posted November 7, 2012 10:58 am 


TARK

George Foreman wasn’t punching hard at that point in his career… Moorer was the only guy in Foreman’s last 7 fights he was able to stop—or even knock down for that matter.. It was a miracle punch and Foreman said as much… George stayed away from top heavyweights when he cherry-picked his challengers—fighting guys like Crawford Grimsley—a guy few people ever heard of, and who Jimmy Thunder KO’d with the first punch he threw.

Posted November 7, 2012 5:21 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Reading back through this thread, I found some douchenozzle wrote:”Foreman won.. To me, it was the biggest upset in Heavyweight HIstory”. What did you expect, one of the hardest hitters in boxing history vs one of the weakest chinned champs of all time? Wow, you are sharp as a ball.

Posted November 6, 2012 11:41 pm 


BEARS

Lennox would not havebeen allowed any inside game in a rematch with vtaly. My money would be on vitaly in a rematch. Judging by what lennoxand bowe did to holy its pretty easy to glean what the klitschkos would do. And judging by what golata did to bowe and bowe and holys OVERALL inability to keep and deffend a title. I would favor the klitschk9os as I’m sure most people would favor them in hypothetical matchups against anyone including cassius clay. That’s my view and I would bet guys like rafael and roach would concur

Posted November 6, 2012 11:26 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears the Klits could NOT make a dent when Holy, Lewis, Bowe and even Tyson were around…. Wlad was getting knocked out when Vitali was getting stopped by Lewis… Vitali came into the fight with Lewis lightly regarded for quitting against Byrd… The Klitschkos NEVER took over the era from the prior rulers the were handed it down…. Vitali had a chance to take Lewis belt instead he had to sing a verse from the Notorious BIG song “One More Chance”…….. Why would anyone duck Wlad back then?? he ate 2 TKO losses in a 5 fight span one to a regional fighter and partime golf pro… Your command of the ERA is very poor…. Vitali did not gain prominence till he grabbed his sack and fought hard with that bloody mask of a grill Lewis left him with….

Posted November 6, 2012 10:32 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears the Klits are HOFERs no question about that but you are too stupid to even accurately breakdown who dominated this ERA and its NOT Vitali…. Wlad wins that hands down, I know in between your medication and drooling you will discuss KO percentage, never being down, blah blah, blah but Wlad has the belts, defenses and relevant names… Vitali is riding his coattails and the fact is BOTH despite being fine professional fighters have over 100 fights and they have never beat a GREAT boxer… Out of their 100 wins who is the BEST man they beat??? Note I am letting you use BOTH fighters?? What are you going to tell me Vitali won 4 rounds from Lewis??? Pathetic when you have OVER 100 victories to choose from…. They have a quality deficit that will not hold up well under heavy scrutiny…. Vitalis is simply REALLY weak…. Charr, Sosnowski, Solis, Kingpin Johnson and his BEST night Peter…. Thumbs down

Posted November 6, 2012 10:27 pm 


BEARS

There the views of guys like roach, rafael, steward, myself. Everyone acknowledges the true klitschko greatness. Not a few people around boxing but most and the mot important. Again you have minority vieews and regard klitschkos lowly. No professional shares in those views. Foreman calls the klitschkos greater than himself. Lol. So your definetly a minority view. Maybe not in your project. But where it matters

Posted November 6, 2012 9:39 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, YOURS is the minority view because outside hardcore fans and Germany NO ONE is running around screaming Vitali is the BEST HW fighter, he could not even dominate his own ERA and runs SECOND to his brother during this era…He is SOOOOOOO GREAT that he was forced to fight on the undercard of Andre Wards battle with Chad Dawson… A shameful demotion for a fight and fighter that NOT many want to see in the US….

Posted November 6, 2012 9:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Why would those injuries NOT come up when that fight is discussed it is relevant to the damage or would you rather pretend they did NOT happen?? OF course you would because then your LSD induced hallucination would not be abruptly destroyed by the reality that Lewis was fking your boy up where it counted and won the fight…I guess cuts, broken noses, crushed cheeks and any injuries that are sustained by boxers you like are inadmissible?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Well that Dr and the rest of the world knows why that fight was stopped and the reason is a BADLY lacerated face due to HARD shots….

Posted November 6, 2012 9:18 pm 


BEARS

The only one bringin up lewis and praiseing cuts is sredmond. Then he gets put in his place. Everyone acknowledges klitschkosgreatness. Roach rafael, steward. This is all that mattered. Its pretty awesome when they say either klitschko could be successful in any era nd beat anyone. Esb writer vivek wallace says vitalys the best. Really redmond your opinion is worthless minority view. So carry on with your worthless minority view hating on the klitschkos daily on THEIR THREADSS. Cause your pathetic and sorry excistence compels u to do it. LOL. YOUR A WORM DUDE

Posted November 6, 2012 9:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Who needs a surgeon to tell us what happened during the fight? We saw Vitali getting punched in the face, we saw the right hand that was the beginning of the end… We saw the hard jabs moving him backwards and tearing thru to the dermal layer of his skin and most importantly we saw Lennox Lewis hand raised and the hopes and dreams of Klit fans killed off like bacteria exposed to broad spectrum antibiotic…Vitali and Wlad have beat over 100 boxers between them and knocked out close to 91 men but the moment Lewis stopped Vitali is the most famous of their HW tenure….10 years later Wlad fights and we still discuss Lewis stopping his brother because Wach, Charr and Mormeck have left REAL fight fans wanting…

Posted November 6, 2012 8:49 pm 


SREDMOND

There is LITTLE need to reiterate the obvious… Lewis took Vitalis best, broke his face, beat him and made him roam around the ring begging for a rematch… As is the custom of the loser in a bout…So whats Vitali’s best WINNING moment??? What GREAT boxer has he defeated via KO, TKO or UD??? We know he is capable of LOSING via TKO to a superior yet somewhat faded legend but where is the WIN over someone GREAT…. Humor me and let that name roll off you guys tongue??? Or is his career stuck in quicksand, winning 4 rounds off Lewis then losing due to projected blood loss LOL

Posted November 6, 2012 8:43 pm 


BEARS

I wouldn’t sa lewis vs mccal 2 was a fight at all. I wouldn’t really lewis’s loss avenged. The surgen in the klitschko documentary is is one of the best. There isn’t anything bias in what he says. But he spells out whattark and I have been saying.

Posted November 6, 2012 8:18 pm 


BIG FOOT

Well that’s boxing, LL won illegally whether he intended to or not. Sometimes it happens with headbutts too. I agree with Carlos Guapo about the second McCall fight too. That Oliver should not of been taken out of rehab and put in the ring.

Posted November 6, 2012 8:09 pm 


Koolz

Wald is not only a big guy but he is fast, knows boxing, does a lot of MMA style conditioning too.

Hit level of fighting is just not on same level as Wach. Wach has never faced anyone like Wald in his whole career. You have these boxers that are heavy weights that think they are just high and mighty with there 10 wins and 9 KOs, when in reality there just babies in there careers. There not ready to fight someone like Wald. At this stage in the game though…
that’s all that”s left really.

Posted November 6, 2012 7:50 pm 


BEARS

His interview is on theklitschko documentary. He is considered one of the best surgens

Posted November 6, 2012 7:17 pm 


BEARS

The dr that did the surgery for vitaly in california is well known. He explained boxing cuts in general and what happened to vitaly. He said what tark and I, what I have been saying about the nature of vitalys cuts. I would call lennox a narrow escape like lampley did. I wouldn’t call the others “narrow” escapes. But listen to the surgen discuss vitalys cuts just aother guy who has verfied my views and opinions.

Posted November 6, 2012 7:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you consistently reinforce my feeling of intellectual superiority over you… ALL of those examples absent Lewis/Klits were NARROW escapes… By definition a narrow escape is one where either time is almost run out or you are so hopelessly down you have only one path to victory ie KO or TKO…. Lewis had 6 rounds to close a 2 round lead HARDLY a big deficit, he did NOT even need a KO to win the fight…Had Vitali stopped Lewis with his eye fcked up, the Dr in the corner and threatening to stop the bout this might fit the classification given the CLEAR jeopardy he was in starting round 3 moron…. But alas Lewis was the rising tide and Vitali lost…. My God you have a monopoly on stupidity…..

Posted November 6, 2012 5:49 pm 


BEARS

Those are concussive ko’s not narrow escapes

Posted November 6, 2012 5:12 pm 


SREDMOND

Typo Leonard knocking out Hearns in the 14th round

Posted November 6, 2012 5:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, a narrow escape is Froch stopping Taylor in the 12 down 3 points, a narrow escape is Leonard knocking out Hearns in the 12, a narrow escape is Chavez stopping Taylor down on all cards in the 12 based on a dubious call by Steele in the final seconds… Lewis blasting Klits face open and being down 4-2 in the 6 round is HARDLY epic given the SLIM lead, how badly injured Klits was after the 3rd and the way the bout was swinging in Lewis favor (Won the 6th)….. Narrow escape my ass, Vitali had his shot in the 2nd, after that it was over….

Posted November 6, 2012 4:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, we praise the level of damage that Lewis wrought upon Vitali.. You say “Cut” because the TRUTH is far too painful… Lewis put 5 distinct injuries on Vitalis ass and they were visible reminders of who was winning the war and in the end the fight… You have tried to speak on that scratch Lewis had on his nose while acting like the myriad serious injuries Vitali sustained are to be scoffed at…. Sorry thats not now it works in the real world, Donaire broke a guys jaw and we praised that, you were cumming all over yourself discussing how Klits cracked a half dead Briggs face…. But when the amount of punishment that Lewis put on Vitali is discussed you suddenly turn deaf, dumb and blind… BUT the officials and the Dr did not and they said we gotta save this poor kid and got him out of there with Lennox the Lion… You silly man!

Posted November 6, 2012 4:39 pm 


BEARS

This guy continues to praise a cut!!!!! LOL!!!!!!! As i said NOBODY ELSE IN BOXING IN BOXING DOES THIS. no fans. we never reference cuts acting like they are an example of boxing skill because they ARE NOT. thats why nobody discusses any cut as being significant accept sad little haters like sredmond. what other cut in boxing do we even cite? there is none we talk about because its not boxing expertise. although this guy is below praising an illegal cut job at that. NOT EVEN LEGAL. legal or not nobody cites cut jobs in boxing performances. as i said we dont mention wlad ripping up byrd. we dont mention vitaly cutting williams, purritty, charr etc. not only were these clean cuts. but they were irrelevant in terms of boxing skill. vitaly had not even been softened up. there is not damage on his face prior to the cut. clear lace/wrist rake job on the video. WATCH IT. TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO KNOW AND SEE THE TRUTH.

Posted November 6, 2012 4:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears the ONLY guy who is delusional on here is YOU because deep in your heart you saw a fight that did NOT happen… Vitali lost and he was badly injured because he was taking some hard shots… You say “he tee’d off, he dog walked, he beat Lewis in every facet of the game” then how the hell could he lose and have his face so badly destroyed in the process??? This is a question that you don’t need to answer because the words TKO LOSS, cover the reality of the bout and those are next to Klitschkos name… Lewis TKO win over Vitali, legacy cemented, Vitali relegated to being a guy who lost to Lewis and everything else he ever did comes in a distant second…

Posted November 6, 2012 4:26 pm 


BEARS

it wasnt done by holding and hitting. the punch that did it was wide open and there for all to see. there was no lacing. charr was INEFFECTIVE the whole fight as opposed to vitaly WINNING EVERY PHASE OF THE GAME on lennox. quite a difference if you ask me and if you ask the crowd at staples center and larry merchant and dan rafael and pretty much everyone else in this world not biased. LOL

Posted November 6, 2012 4:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Legal Damage is ALWAYS something to be commended UNLESS its is a Klitschko on the receiving end of it… Vitalis last fight was against a NO HOPER who got pulled out because he was bleeding… I sure did not see Vitali invalidating his win and saying Charr needs another shot…. Lewis did more damage to Vitali by the 4th round than he endured facially against anyone during a 12 round bout…. Who is the last guy to put 20 stitches in Klitschkos face??? Well one guy put 60 stitches in it and that guy proved to be the BEST guy he fought and those pitty pat punches Klits was landing did not yield the results… Yeah that was a paint job Lewis did on him with LESS shots and more power HOLLA!!!!

Posted November 6, 2012 4:22 pm 


BEARS

Nobody talks up a cut. Nobody references the cut vitaly put on purritty or williams (they were not jagged mind you from wrist raking/lacing/holding and hitting) nobody talks about the cut that wladimir did on cris byrd and it was BAAAAD. the only people that talk up cuts are sredmond types in defense of lewis. i literally never see a boxing fan think anything or say anything of cuts. this redmond guy thinks its boxing skill or something what happened in the third round of vitaly vs lennox and nothing could be further from the truth. Vitaly dog walked lennox in that fight the whole time. just won EVERY PHASE OF THE GAME. as i said accept holding and hitting. if sredmond was right and vitaly was nothing and did nothing to lennox, lennox’s face wouldnt have looked like it did. vitaly would not have been tee’ing off on lennox, people at ringside wouldnt have been questioning if lennox could concussively “make it out of the round”. or one more big shot take him out. and what transpired after the fight never would’ve happened. Lennox would have rematched. but we know why lennox did not rematch. the only delusional guy i see here is sredmond and his made up counterparts like meh. LOL….(same dude)

Posted November 6, 2012 4:20 pm 


BEARS

Its pretty funny to me when someone wants to come to east side boxing and act like a cut was something special or some awesome boxing. they clearly didnt watch round 3 of vitaly vs lennox. they clearly didnt see how the cut happened. I mean when you try to talk up lennox when he got his ass handed to him in every phase of the boxing game but holding and hitting it just makes me laugh. still to this day it makes me laugh.

Posted November 6, 2012 4:13 pm 


SREDMOND

AJ “Lewis did not hurt Vitali after the second round” ???? Then why was his face falling apart from the shots he was absorbing, his lips BADLY swollen, swallowing blood, and sporting a 2 inch gash on his cheek??? He almost fell into Lewis arms after absorbing that crushing uppercut in the 5th or 6th round…If Vitali inflicted this type of damage (60 stitches) on a fighter you guys would rail on and on about his devastating power and how badly he was hurting the guy, but since its your hero you pretend this was a REGULAR amount of hurt Lewis laid on him…Lewis gave Vitali one of the WORST eye injuries in the history of the sport and he did it with ONE shot….6 more rounds and Sam Peter would have NEVER had to take that beating from Vitali because Klits career at the top would have been OVER

Posted November 6, 2012 2:46 pm 


BEARS

Hidalgo well said. People need to stop voting democrat and republican for sure. The only thing that will save these countries is taking the power away the two parties. there is no democracy in america. its a scam and an illusion and anyone deffending the democrats and republicans are doing a great disservice to their country. Ron Paul was the only guy who’s voting record was awesome and who was not bought and was more of a libertarian. He is the ONLY guy i would’ve voted for of all the candidates.

Posted November 6, 2012 2:43 pm 


TARK

aj1575 says…, “Vitaly is the fastest HW to become a world champion.” … The fastest to become a World Heavyweight Champion was Leon Spinks. 2nd fastest was Michael Bentt. Spinks whipped Ali after about 15 months as a pro and 7 fights — Bentt KO’d Tommy Morrison in the 1st round after 10 fights—but was soon beaten to trash by “Dancing Destroyer” Herbie Hide.. Vitali Klitschko (24-0) crushed Hide in 2 rounds to take a Heavyweight Championship aftert 2 and a half years as a pro … Vitali got a late start. He had 36 professional kickboxing matches and 210 amateur boxing matches. He was 27 when he KO’d Hide … Mike Tyson was 20 when he KO’d Trevor Berbick… Vitali also took 4 years off to heal various kickboxing injuries to his legs from 33 to 37.

Posted November 6, 2012 12:41 pm 


Hidalgo

“That’s why Romney is running… ” True, Tark. But Obama is fairly deceitful as well and likely just as untrustworthy. During his reign the Social Security mininum retirement age has increased while benefits have been cut. He has reduced the amount Medicare will pay for healthcare services, in some cases eliminating them completely. Why? to drive healthcare professionals out of business in order to turn the industry over to the government. He has recently got a new tax law passed which will tax Americans for not having health insurance–I thought this was a free country! That’s oppression! Obama tells Americans that it’s going to be tough, that they are going to have to make sacrifices, that it won’t be easy, all the while he’s like an insidious cancer growing inside the American body, weakening it, consuming it, killing it. The fact is that neither Obama or Romney is a good choice. It’s just a matter of deciding who’s the lesser of two evils. They are both liars.

Posted November 6, 2012 12:18 pm 


CARLOS EL GUAPO

Lewis has been ko’d for real by 2 not so atg fighters and lucked out with his rematch with MxCall because Oliver wasn’t fit to be on the street let alone in the ring in their 2nd bout.
It might have been different if he had been in the same condition as the first time they met.
He lost not because LL was so good but because he was so screwed up mentally and
ill conditioned physically. Vitali lost his fights because of injuries and never went down.
No one who wasn’t in the the predicament Vitaly was in with his shoulder can condemn
him for quitting against Byrd. It’s easy to do so maybe if your sitting there on your sofa watching but it wasn’t your injury. That cut was definitely not from a simple punch either.

Posted November 6, 2012 8:36 am 


aj1575

I will tell you something about Vitaly and his carrer. Vitaly is the fastes HW to become a worl champion. He spent the shortest time in the ring as a pro, until he got his first belt.

Posted November 6, 2012 6:03 am 


aj1575

You might be right that the Vitaly did not hurt Lewis after the second round, but on the other hand Lewis did not hurt Vitaly either. Lewis simply won because Vitaly had a bad cut, and not because he was the better boxer on that night (note, I also did not say, that Vitaly was the better boxer on thet night, to judge who was really better, the fight should have lastet longer).

Posted November 6, 2012 5:48 am 


aj1575

Let’s get real here. Vitaly gave Lewis all he could handle. Lewis won because of a very bad cut, and not because he showed better skills in the ring.
As for the Bird fight; this happens, it was an injury by Vitaly, the only weak point he has, he is prone to injuries. And yes, he would have easely won that fight if he were able to finish it.

Posted November 6, 2012 5:42 am 


aj1575

Don’t blame the Thompson fight on Wlad, that was a mandatory.

Posted November 6, 2012 5:30 am 


aj1575

Haye is very good at choosing his opponents. Valuev is so slow, that even a 45 year old Holyfield managed to look good against him (some even had him winning). As for Chisora (and Ruiz, who goes in the same category), he is tailor-made for Haye. Those are aggresive fighters who think they can just overpower the small cruiser, but Haye is able to avoid most shots with his good defensive skills, and then start a counter against which these fighters are too open.
This Haye gameplan would not work against a tecnicaly skilled fighter like the Klitschkos, or other boxers from eastern europe. So please don’t overstae Hayes skils.

Posted November 6, 2012 5:24 am 


TARK

I’m a conservative… The kind who wouldn’t put 2 wars and 8 tax cuts on a credit card, and wouldn’t let Wall Street bundle worthless subprime mortgages into derivatives, leverage them 100 to 1, stamp them AAA investments, and sell them all over the globe. Today’s GOP isn’t conservative — they’re a den of conniving thieves.

Posted November 6, 2012 3:33 am 


BEARS

Lennox also said these things about vitaly in interviews. U can find the stuff on google. Its common knowledge

Posted November 6, 2012 12:43 am 


BEARS

Lennox said it to steward. Its in stewards book son. Read it. That’s where I got it.

Posted November 6, 2012 12:01 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Figures, Tard being a liberal pole-smoker…

Posted November 5, 2012 10:40 pm 


Anonymous

There are too many billionaires and trillionaires, that money should of been took in taxes,and they would still be billionaires and trillionaires.

Posted November 5, 2012 9:51 pm 


Anonymous

What do the super super rich want with all that money anyway,an ipad is an ipad,once you have bought one or two thats it,you are there,give back to the economy.

Posted November 5, 2012 9:34 pm 


TARK

That’s why Romney is running… To lower taxes by 20% for himself and his friends, when we already have a one trillion dollar yearly deficit—caused by 2 unpaid for wars, unpaid for medicare drug benefits, unpaid for bailouts of major Wall Street investment bankers, major automotive connected company bailouts, 23 million under and unemployed that collect jobless benefits.. Romney was in 47th place creating jobs a a governor, and destroyed jobs as head of Bain Capital. He says he’ll close unspecified tax “loopholes”—but even eliminating the mortgage interest deduction, deduction for dependants, and employer health care deductions won’t pay for his proposed tax cuts—much less balance the budget. And he says he wants to increase defense spending by 2 trillion and eliminate captial gains taxes — all red meat for billionaire super-pac contributors and all undoable … It’s a a pig in a poke sales job, the same bull Reagan and the Bushes peddled.

Posted November 5, 2012 9:03 pm 


Anonymous

The deficit would be sorted out if the super rich paid the correct taxes,corparate super super rich etc,instead of being greedy and hiding all the money.

Posted November 5, 2012 8:38 pm 


Anonymous

The Presidential elections,it doesn’t really matter who wins really,the documentaries are interesting though,the history.

Posted November 5, 2012 7:32 pm 


TARK

I meant… “VK was still learning—but still able to out-point Lewis through 6″

Posted November 5, 2012 7:14 pm 


Anonymous

Lewis was at the end of his career and not as good as he was,looked undertrained,and he still beat Vitali.They were both staggering all over the place,trying to knock each other out,Lewis probably would of knocked him out if the fight went on another 2 or 3 rounds.

Posted November 5, 2012 6:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Vitali beat Lennox in every phase of the game EXCEPT winning and punching power!! OOOPPS and thus ends the story, Vitali ANOTHER short timer in the ring with Lewis who walked away in need of medical care and an a tribe of internet spin Drs… Lennox Lewis defeated EVERY man he faced at least once and Vitali was taken on the first shot in 6 short rounds….

Posted November 5, 2012 6:56 pm 


SREDMOND

No one ducked Vitali he could not actually win against anyone of NOTE… He had a shot against Byrd and destroyed his rep temporarily by QUITTING and being subject to derision and mockery… ie “Quitschcko” at that time he was another guy fighting in Germany while, Holy, Bowe, Lewis and Tyson were making big cash and owning the division… Vitali was considered such a big deal that he was taken as a late replacement, clearly and indication that he was feared LOL!!! Wlad of course was eating TKO’s like Skittles so his opportunity to fight the big dogs was not forthcoming he would have been murdered at that point…. Vitali got Lewis when he was an OLD man and still had to book that TKO, get sewn up and start manufacturing excuses and blowing himself over winning 4 rounds instead of winning…. SHAMEFUL….PEACE Vitali

Posted November 5, 2012 6:50 pm 


SREDMOND

Vitalis career is dying out against guys like Charr and he is fighting on the undercard of SMW’s (SHAMEFUL) Lewis was doing damn near 2 million PPV’s with Tyson and ended his career stopping the 2nd best HW of the subsequent ERA during the prime of Vitalis life…At this point the book is out on Klitschko he is NOT the man of this ERA and thus he could NEVER be Lewis superior… Trying to piece his and Wlads legacies together like a couple of Siamese twins is not going to work, viewed in isolation Vitali his a solid HOF level fighter but he did NOT rule the HW divison for more than a second… He never beat ANYONE that is really a big deal and thus his story dies with Charr…. Peace Vitali

Posted November 5, 2012 6:46 pm 


SREDMOND

Vitali is CLEARLY Lewis historical inferior he is NOT even the BEST HW of his ERA and we know who has that distinction… Vitali’s brand is built around winning 4 rounds from Lewis during a 12 round fight…How GREAT does that make Lewis if another fighters reputation is built around losing to him and bleeding out a decade ago????…. Vitali has beat NOTHING but second tier, 3rd and 4th tier boxers during his career and trying secure some sort of moral victory (against Lewis) has been the crusade of his fans because his career lacks a moment that defines Greatness…. Coming out of retirement to beat Samuel Peter was cool but there are about 2000 moments in boxing which trump that win over a forgotten fighter who expired at age 31….

Posted November 5, 2012 6:42 pm 


BEARS

Vitaly obviously hurt lennox bad because of what transpired after the fight. Lennox told the public that vitaly hit harder and hurt him worse than anyone he ever fought. (This directly refutes sredmond and its from the horses mouth) we know lennox put heaven and earth b/w a rematch with vitaly that he promised. Ex. Independent dr’ checking his eye. Fighting corrie sanders. Lennox holds the belts hostage even tries to get a mike tyson bout instead of rematch now tats jut laughable. At this point its obvious. The wbc steps in andmakes the bout mandatory or lenox gets stripped. Lennox then retires no easy fights available and having held the title hostage for half a year. If vitaly arm punches and has no power, what’s that say about the utter effectit had on lennox? Look at what lennox says about it. Vitaly beat lennox in EVERY PHASE OF THE GAME

Posted November 5, 2012 6:24 pm 


TARK

Vitali has a better winning percentage than Lewis has.. Lewis still has those to KO losses to 2nd tier fighters who knocked him out with one punch each. There’s no excuse of that. The ATG’s who Lewis beat refused to fight Vitali—but thought they could KO Lewis… And why not??? Lewis suffered one-punch KO’s.. Holyfield and Tyson lost to 2nd tier fighters Larry Donald and Danny Williams—guys who couldn’t go the distance with Vitali.. Did beating those ATG’s do anything for Donald or Williams’s historical status? OF COURSE NOT—just as losing to Byrd and Lewis won’t hurt Vitali’s historical status because he was beating them easily on points when injuries, not caused by punches, ended the fights.. Vitali hurt his left shoulder in the 2nd round of the Byrd fight and it kept getting worse to the point where he was risking permanent damage.. Lewis raked Vitali’s face wih his laces to slash open those deep gashes — those deep wounds weren’t caused by punches.

Posted November 5, 2012 6:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Lets be clear, Vitali never really even came close to stopping Lewis… Having a fighter buzzed briefly hardly qualifies as having him in big trouble… We have seen Lewis down and we saw him out…If Vitali had produced such and epic result then why no KD where Lewis dragged himself up at 6 or 8 like he did against McCall??? Reason is that it NEVER happened… After the 2nd round Vitali NEVER really hurt Lewis again and Lennox attacked his face with abandon because the arm punching Klits did nnot have the power to deter him…. Watch who is coming forward and hurling bombs without regard??? Look at who is bleeding like 40 Ninjas got ahold of his ass Vitali!

Posted November 5, 2012 5:46 pm 


SREDMOND

Lennox Lewis was taking out Vitali at the age of 37 years old, Vitali was taking out Samuel Peter at the same age… A chubby limited fighter who’s best wins were Maskaev and FAT SMW James Toney who’s best days were at 168….Vitali was in his physical prime facing Lewis and Lennox was at the end of his career and when push came to shove, Lennox “Pushing” won out over Vitalis “shoving” another high profile fight where Vitali could not deliver a la Chris Byrd….. “I would have won BUT” the battle cry of losers

Posted November 5, 2012 5:36 pm 


Anonymous

a prime Lewis would have blasted Vit….emmanuel or not

Posted November 5, 2012 4:58 pm 


SREDMOND

Steward exhorted Lewis to step it up and he DID by blowing a hole in Vitalis face during the 3rd round that proved to be one of 5 he would punch into the young Ukranians face… Vitalis career died that night because he is inextricably tied to a loss and his other accomplishements are marginalized in lieu of his and fans dreams of him beating Lewis….. Sadly winning 4 rounds against Lewis then getting sent to the showers trumps his 45 actual wins because his fans defend that tender moment with the zeal of a father trying to keep the high school quarterback out of his daughters panties LOL

Posted November 5, 2012 4:44 pm 


TARK

Lewis would have been knocked stiff at his physical peak… You see, Steward hadn’t taught LL how to jab or defend very well yet, so he was wide open for a great right hand puncher like Vital… So those shots that Vitali landed in he 2nd round would have landed cleaner and knocked Lewis flat out cold—such as happened in the McCall and Rahman fights.. Lewis got better every fight until he retired.. Vitali probably hit his peak at 37 years of age as well.. He looked invincible in the Peter fight, after a 4-year layoff … Bigger and better than ever.

Posted November 5, 2012 4:44 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, who cares if Lewis was down on points he was UP on tissue damage and he was making his mark and breaking up the younger Vitali who’s arm punches did not get the job done… Lewis inflicted the damage that mattered, thats why 10 years later Lewis is the WINNER and Vitali is the WANNABE still harping on about a rematch and fighting garbage like Charr

Posted November 5, 2012 4:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark says that Moorer “had the weakest chin of any HW Champion” NO that would be Wlad who got stopped by 3 unremarkable fighters…Moorer was stopped by 2 ATG’s(Foreman&Holyfield) one of whom he owned a win against (Holyfield) and a guy like Tua who was is considered one of the harder punchers in history by Ring Magazine as is Foreman… Who cares HOW Morrer lost to Foreman, fact is that he DID…. If you get “lazy” and someone KO’s you who’s fault is that?? The best fighter that stopped Wlad was a B- level guy, (Brewster) the WORST was Purrity a bonafide bum and serial loser…

Posted November 5, 2012 4:37 pm 


Anonymous

i guess you have a jock to sniff if not Ali’s, enjoy……..lewis was way out of shape when he fought vitaly..A prime Lewis would have stopped him earlier

Posted November 5, 2012 4:32 pm 


TARK

Vitali wasn’t “forced” out of his fight with “hard hitting Lewis.” … Vitali was ahead on points and wanted to continue the fight.. He suffered 3 deep jagged cuts on his face that were inflicted by holding and hitting fouls—and illegal punches with the laces o Lewis’s gloves.. Lewis never shook or staggered a half blinded Vitali, but Lewis was staggered and almost knocked out when Vitali had his full vision.. That’s when Lewis started fouling out of sheer desperation … Steward told Lewis he was losing the fight.. If you watch almost any video version of the complete fight, you’ll hear Steward tell Lewis exactly that.

Posted November 5, 2012 4:16 pm 


TARK

Michael Moorer was beating Foreman so easily he decided to take a snooze… He would throw a punch, take a little nap… Pound on Foreman with a few more punches—and take another nap.. Moorer was caught napping.. He probably had the weakest chin of any Heavyweight Champion and he was the only guy Foreman managed to KO in GF’s last 7 fights.. And consider he didn’t fight any good fighters during that time except Moorer.. IN FACT, MM was the only guy Foreman managed to knockdown in his last 7 fights—to show you how big a miracle it was that Foreman won.. To me, it was the biggest upset in Heavyweight HIstory, and was like winning three or four 280-million dollar jackpot lotteries in a row.. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Posted November 5, 2012 4:02 pm 


TARK

Foreman’s title defenses were mostly jokes… George only successfully defended against one competent heavyweight contender in his life—marginally competent Ken Norton.. All his other successful defenses were against 2nd tier guys, some of whom Mike Tyson wiped out with a single punch—Lou Savereasy comes to mind—and Crawford Grimsley whom Jimmy thunder KO’d with the first punch he threw.. Foreman also took a terrible beating from Alex Stewart—an inept swinger who Mike Tyson knocked out almost immediately because you couldn’t miss the guy with a swing.

Posted November 5, 2012 3:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Foreman is really such a bad fighter because he knocked out a guy who owned a win over Holyfied and was 35-0, YOUNGER and a Southpaw at the age of 45??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! More “Tarkery” trying to smear proven Greats by overspeaking the importance, competence and status of present day opposition… Wachs a NO HOPER and we all know that, Foremans in the Hall and he is one of the most dangerous punchers to EVER put on gloves…. Who has Vitali knocked out of Great import or skill??? NO ONE…. Foreman crushed Frazier, Norton and a PEAK Moorer…. Just accept that Wach, Mormeck and Thompson are LAME opponents, and stop trying to bash old retired announcers who now sell grills…!!

Posted November 5, 2012 3:47 pm 


SREDMOND

Foreman is immortalized and why are you pivoting to Vitali when you broached to topic of Haye and Foreman?? Ohhhhh because Vitali’s claim to fame is never being put down…Ok but Lewis aside who has he fought and against Lewis, Vitali was battered and forced out of the fight by hard hitting Lewis… You step away from Wlad because his record of TKO losses is well documented as are his MYRIAD trips to the canvas… You can try and dog Foreman for his second comeback but alas he booked a BETTER win for the HW Championship than Vitali EVER did (Michael Moorer) who retired with 52-4 losing to guys like Holyfield, Tua and Foreman…. Whereas Peter was a shell at 31, a bloated slob getting stopped by neophytes like Helenius who could not even deal with Chisora absent a hometown decision….

Posted November 5, 2012 3:43 pm 


TARK

When Foreman came back at the age of 38 he fought 20 creampuffs before he challenged for the title and lost—and then lost again vs incompetent Tommy Morrison… When Vitali (who has NEVER been knocked down, and has NEVER been outboxed, which Foreman was knocked down an outboxed many times) came back at the age of 37 Vitali challenged the Heavyweight Champion in his first fight back—and he wasn’t fatter than an old washer woman which Foreman was even fatter than that.. Foreman frequently came into the ring so fat it was embarrassing.. But as there was little competition outside of Lennox Lewis—the only seriously great heavyweight at the time—I guess it didn’t matter … Foreman wasn’t going to fight Lewis in 10,000 years, and said so. He also ducked Holmes his whole career.. If you don’t fight the best boxers available, how great are you?

Posted November 5, 2012 3:36 pm 


SREDMOND

AGAIN Tark betrays his weakness and delusion as a so called boxing aficianado.. He discusses Foreman in the same breath as David Haye…. Haye is NOT a GREAT HW fighter the bulk of his accomplishments are at Cruiserweight… As for Foreman being put down on his seat, SO WHAT??? George was stopped ONCE in 81 fights and knocked out more men than Klitschko has even defeated in his career…If you are going to try and point out Foremans frailties for going down vs Young then are we to surmise Klits is garbage for going down 11 times in his career including 3 TKO losses??? All this because you want to show any type of parity between a GREAT fighter who was HW Champ during more than one era and David Haye who is a very talented fighter but not even close to Foreman as a HW…. NONSENSE

Posted November 5, 2012 3:15 pm 


Anonymous

a few of Ali’s opponents were given the opportunity to make money and fight in their hometowns so Ali could showcase his talents and stay busy, not because they were a threat, Ali also carried alot of fighters so the fans could get their money’s worth, he also let many fighters hit him that otherwise couldn’t touch him…..he was the peoples’ champ.

Posted November 5, 2012 3:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Wach is not even a top 10 ranked fighter I understand you guys are starving to prove than any and all of Wlads defenses are against a murderers row but NO ONE would be discussing Wach if he had not been chosen to fight Wlad….If he is so terrific then why is not not ranked about Pulev who has FEWER bouts than him?? Where are the tough opponents he beat?? OHHHHHH Kevin Mcbride? who was 1-6 in his last 7 bouts I believe with 2 or 3 losses via stoppage… How foolish of me LOL

Posted November 5, 2012 3:09 pm 


TARK

Foreman outbox Haye? When little 211 pound fatso Jimmy Young, who had only19 wins and 5 losses, pecked Foreman to death??? Young knocked an exhausted Foreman down with a feather fisted punch. Foreman couldn’t handle a jab, couldn’t handle speed, and couldn’t handle skill — all which Haye has in abundance.. Frazier was a fat, sloppy, slow, short little butter ball who walked straight in with no defense. Frazier was 20 pounds overweight. Gil Clancy said, “Anyone who can punch with both hands will knock Norton stiff. His defense is terrible.” Haye was stopped by a very experienced fighter when he had only 10 fights, but he wasn’t down, and hasn’t been hurt bad since.. Norton was KO’d 5 times and was easier to hit than Chisora … Calling Foreman, Frazier, and Norton great is circular thinking. They’re smaller, and not better skilled than the top American heavies today: Deontay Wilder, Seth Mitchell, Bryant Jennings, and Joe Hanks, to name a few…

Posted November 5, 2012 2:40 pm 


Fight Aficionado

The author has evidently not seen any Wach bouts. I’ve seen 3 of them that were televised. He’s one of the few undefeated prospects who matches Wlad’s size, has decent power and a mean streak these other challengers didn’t have. Wlad’s justifiably a big favorite as he would against any challenger but to act like there’s 20 better options is silly. Name the 20.

Posted November 5, 2012 1:47 pm 


SREDMOND

Wlad had a really nice run years ago beating Brock, Chambers, Chagaev and Byrd but the last few defenses have stunk and the horrible superfight he was trying to produce with Haye was a FLOP in terms of both mens committment to REAL violence (Haye mostly responsible) but a tentative Wlad did not help matters in the least… But then again another TKO loss to a smaller man is not something that Klits resume could sustain well at this point hence the reluctance to let loose until the 12th round…

Posted November 5, 2012 1:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, is trying to prove Wlads Greatness by pitting Wach against Wepner in his mind and on this message board… Who would EVER waste time trying to draw conclusions about a matchup like that EXCEPT a wack job who cannot accept the reality that Wach is GENERALLY considered a WEAK ass opponent that was on NO ones radar before Wlad slated him for a beatdown…. We heard MANY posters trying to give the previously destroyed Thompson new life and a real shot when guys knew that the 40 year old Thompson was beating fodder and had no chance 5 years later to upend Klitschko… Wach is a WEAK ass foe, 3rd in a row…. There are probably 15 better opponents in the world than this man, but Klit fans think that REAL boxing fans are dummies and want us to give their man more credit than due….

Posted November 5, 2012 1:21 pm 


2slick

Ali has one of the deepest resumes in the history of the weight – Wlad, not so much. Bears no comparison. On a side note – The HW championship of the world is up for grabs this Saturday??? Drifting along with the tumbling tumbleweeds…

Posted November 5, 2012 1:06 pm 


SREDMOND

Why would Tark compare Barrett and Wepner???? these are not guys that are important absent getting beat by a couple of guys…. He does this as do many Klit apologists because comparing the TOP end of the Klits respective foes vs those of past Greats leaves Wlad and Vitali looking VERY unimpressive…. Vitalis best foe Sam Peter, Wlads??? Byrd? Chambers?? Haye?? HARD thing is these guys don’t begin to rate with the Foremans and Fraziers of the World so Tark and the other spin doctors try and discuss Ali as if he is defined by the Wepners and Spinks of the world… Nonsense the Klits have provided ALOT of stability over the last few years but 0 epic fights and few very good matchups…. Just the way it is kids

Posted November 5, 2012 1:03 pm 


Anonymous

Tark, Valuev was the most protected fighter ever along with sven ottke, and already beaten by a 120 years old holyfield, chagaev and larry donald.
Therefore, the achievement from haye of beating valuev was not so huge.
The resume of wach so far only proved he could beat some big bums who fight in slow motion such as field and macbride.

Posted November 5, 2012 12:36 pm 


Drx

Wow, the writer is a true hater and if he are gonna write an article about this fight, he should atleast follow boxing and enlight himself about the hw div.

Posted November 5, 2012 12:22 pm 


TARK

David Haye proved a division beyond cruiserweight is NOT needed when he dominated and brutalized tough guy Dereck Chisora, 247.5.. Haye was a rock hard 210.5 that night.. and gave up 37 pounds.. Haye also whipped a foot taller and 100 pounds heavier version of Chuck Wepner—in Nicolai Valuev.. Only Valuev wasn’t didn’t bleed like a butchered steer, had a fair jab, and even footwork … Valuev had a big right hand that could put contenders like Monte Barrett out cold ..Barrett could easy have outboxed Chuck Wepner … As famed sports writer Jim Murrey said about Wepner, “Chuck may be slow, but he can’t punch.” Wepner lost to Horst Geisler and Jerry Judge—fighters Wladimir Klitschko couldn’t use for sparring partners … In fact, they were so pathetic they wouldn’t even make sparring partners for Wladimir Klitschko’s sparring partners. Wepner would never last 5 rounds with Mariusz Wach…who can jab, box, punch, and doesn’t bleed.

Posted November 5, 2012 12:11 pm 


HIdalgo

6′ 7 1/2.” Right. The “heavyweight” division is a farce. These guys are giants. This is the division that needs the most fixing in all of boxing. It’s just pathetic. The “heavyweight division allows fighters that weigh from 200 lbs. to anything. Truly pathetic. If nothing else ALL of the sanctioning bodies should consider creating another heavyweight division. How about “middle heavyweight” with a weight range of 200-235 lbs.? That thins and levels the field a little bit. Something like that. Then giants like the Klitschkos, Valuev, Wach, can fight other polar bears who are their own size. Sounds good to me: Light heavyweight, middle heavyweight, heavyweight. Then maybe we’d see more contenders and more fair fights. And more real champions.

Posted November 5, 2012 10:52 am 


bolopunch

Wepner was not technically sound but was tough as nail.
And about the loss he had before he faced ali were against better opposition than klit faced recently such as bugner, liston, foreman or mathis for instance. He was not a puncher but was tough like derek chisora who isn’t technical either and lack of punch. Wepner is far way better than the sissy weak chin 6,8 giant tye field regardless the ko ratio.

: Liston,

Posted November 5, 2012 10:46 am 


Drago

“It’s hard to imagine that being true when there are arguably at least 20 heavyweights that Wladimir could pool from that would give him a tougher test than the 32-year-old Wach” Name ‘em. I dare you. Name ‘em and get ready for the flames.

Posted November 5, 2012 9:11 am 


K-2Fan

Guys like this Bob Smith are great for comic relief . Never any
substance , just silly , immature Klitchko bashing . Twenty better opponents ? Who ? Where ? Instead of praising The Klitchkos for willing to fight ANYBODY ,and criticizing the guys who are ducking THEM ,
( Povetkin , Helenius , Arreola etc., etc.,) this Smith guy makes himself look stupid by bashing Wlad’s competition . I think Tark and
aj1575 , covered that area pretty well . As for Wepner ” crushing ”
Wach , that’s almost as funny as Ali beating a Klitchko !

Posted November 5, 2012 9:06 am 


Mr Rubes

Well said TARK

Posted November 5, 2012 8:50 am 


Anonymous

Fighting Wach is better then not fighting, as that seems the only alternative short term. Let’s hope Povetkin and Pulev step it up in 2013

Posted November 5, 2012 8:48 am 


Unbiased Dane

some Anonymous says ”But Tark as for Wepner he would crush Wach”
Hell no, Ali had his share of some very crappy fighters and this Wepner was one of the worst ever. No power and little skills. Did wepner ever crush eny giants ? Wepner had 9 losses and 2 draws before he fought Ali, And his ko % is as much as 33% !!! Wepner ended up with a stunning record of 35 wins 2 draws and 14 losses. And this was the fighter Ali struggled to ko. But sure everyting was soo much better in the ‘golden era’ were only americans was dominating the hw division.

Posted November 5, 2012 8:03 am 


knowall

competition

Posted November 5, 2012 7:41 am 


Layla Ali

Lol, I couldn’t agree more !!!

Posted November 5, 2012 7:38 am 


knowall

poor HW contest coming up. However I do get there is not much out there right now. There is Pulev, povetkin, who should be made to fight wlad by the WBA and arreola who would be better compition. Still we wait and say but this guy wont take out wlad, know way

Posted November 5, 2012 7:38 am 


Layla Ali

Santos, you idiot, everyone says they will beat Klitschko, and what happens? They get beat ! This guy is a Dush bag! Boxing is going down? Lol ! The only thing going down is Santos, peradventure he ever steps into the ring with a Klitschko LOL !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted November 5, 2012 7:37 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

TARK – so true.

Posted November 5, 2012 7:33 am 


bolopunch

Tark my english is worst than yours but you are wrong
about few ali’opoonets than you named. eg wapner and evangelista are
far better opposition than an old cruiser mormeck and a tall
and skilled but lazy thompson. And i don’t that the rest is worst than an hlf blind brewster or a washed up rahman so stop the obssession about ali who have meet 9 all of fame and beaten 8 of them.

Posted November 5, 2012 7:18 am 


dboxer

This guy Dos Santos MMA champ just delusional being only former Brazilian amateur boxer ,start thinking he can KO either Klitchko ,don’t think he will be able to stand with first 20 heavy or cruiser
Such a statement that Boxing goes down —just ridiculous statement, he is sounds funny.

Posted November 5, 2012 6:26 am 


kim

TARK . You said it, thanx. ps . The author dont know whats going on.

Posted November 5, 2012 5:51 am 


kosciuszko

Who writes this tripe? Its well known the amount of fighters who are ducking Wlad, too many people have mentioned here for me to add to an already burgeoning list. But I would like to ask the writer, who would he have Wlad fight?
As for those morons saying that Wlad hasn’t faught anyone of Ali’s stature, well thats hardly Wlad’s fault is it? Its not like he’s ducking anyone is it? Yes, the era of yesteryear was more action packed, but that doesn’t take away Wlad’s achievments one iota. He has cleaned up a division like no other in boxing today, and made it his own.

Posted November 5, 2012 5:33 am 


MMA is g ay

MMA = glorified g ay pron.

Posted November 5, 2012 5:26 am 


Anonymous

BURBANK, Calif. — If Junior dos Santos ever ended up in the same ring as Wladimir Klitschko, the UFC’s heavyweight champion is pretty sure he knows what he’d do to the biggest man in boxing.

“I could beat that guy, man,” dos Santos said. “Maybe not easy, but I could knock him out.”

It’s not bravado or comedy from the unbeaten dos Santos, who has emerged as one of mixed martial arts’ top attractions with an all-around game built on a foundation of stand-up fighting. The 6-foot-4 Brazilian bruiser is among the best boxers in his sport, and he’s confident he could hold his own with Klitschko, the three-belt heavyweight champ.

do SantosWladimir, the Klitschkos, they’re amazing. I like to watch them fight, especially Wladimir, but it’s kind of boring. They are really good at what they do, but they are very careful. They don’t go to the fight to finish the fight. They stay there in that safe strategy all the time. It’s not the Mike Tyson time. Guys don’t finish fights.
”– Junior dos Santos

“I watch a lot of fights with Wladimir, and I see a lot of holes,” dos Santos said, warming to the idea while he downs a 22-ounce steak with asparagus and mashed potatoes for lunch in a Burbank restaurant filled with well-dressed professionals from the film studios and media companies within walking distance.

“Wladimir, the Klitschkos, they’re amazing,” he added. “I like to watch them fight, especially Wladimir, but it’s kind of boring. They are really good at what they do, but they are very careful. They don’t go to the fight to finish the fight. They stay there in that safe strategy all the time. It’s not the Mike Tyson time. Guys don’t finish fights.”

Dos Santos isn’t starting a boxing career any time soon, however. He’s preparing for his next title defense in a rematch with Cain Velasquez at UFC 155 in December, and he already has an eye on a 2013 showdown with Alistair Overeem, the suspended contender dos Santos labels “a liar.”

“I love who I am, and I want to stay in MMA,” he said. “Boxing is going down.”

Posted November 5, 2012 5:03 am 


Rigsby.

How can anyone even mention Klitschko in the same breath as Ali, its embarrassing, every fighter at every weight has to fight a few nobodies, but when has either Klitschko had a Liston 1 night or a Rumble in the jungle, or maybe a thriller in Manilla , not even close…..

Posted November 5, 2012 5:01 am 


aj1575

Whom should Wlad be fighting instead of Wach? Let’s go down the Boxrec Rankings.
#2 Vitali is not possible, #3 Adamek, already beaten by Vitaly, no match, #4 Kubrat Pulev, may get a shot, but I don’t see him as a real challenge, #5 David Haye, already beaten, #6 Povetkin, will get his shot, but I think Wlad can handle him well (pulled out of an earlier fight, because he was not ready…), #7 Tyson Fury, say he will be ready in 1-2 years, needs to step up in competition himself, #8 Solis, is still on the way back from his injury, will probably get his chance in the future, one of the more worthy opponents, #9 Helenius, is not really convincing; I don’t think he is a real match for Wlad, #10 Tony Thompson, no comment, #Franklin Lawrence, Franklin who? #11 Seth Mitchell, could be an intersting option, #12 Arreola, could be interesting, but I don’t give him much of a chance, #13 David Price, looks promising, but he is fighting 3 tier opponents so he is hard to judge, #14 Eddie Chambers, forget it. From here on, the names are not familiar to most boxing fans. There are a few left worth mentioning, but I don’t think any one of them is much of a threat to Wlad: Denis Boystov, Alexander Dimitrenko, Steve Cunningham, Derek Chisora.
Mariuz Wach may not be the best opponent available, but they do not get much better, or they are not interested in a fight, or they have been beaten before. So tell me, who should Wlad be fighting?

Posted November 5, 2012 4:40 am 


SREDMOND

You cannot spare Wlad scrutiny by digging up some of Ali’s less than stellar competition it’s not gonna work… All fighters have to face some guys who are NOT top notch, but Wlad and Co have NEVER faced a Great fighter and won… Ali is immortal he had his GREAT nights and fights, Tark and the rest of the befuddled Klit fans cannot produce those highlight films for their man…Hence the sad and bizzare fixation of Vitali losing to Lewis… Wlad has an amazing record “numerically” but his last 3 defenses have been trash and his resume is not sustaining these characters well…

Posted November 5, 2012 3:54 am 


Anonymous

there was quite literally no top HW who wanted the fight: Fury declined, Arreola declined, Povetkin had Rahman, Price not ready, the list can go on

Posted November 5, 2012 3:35 am 


michi_k39

Klitschko vs. Wach press conference: today live via “Hangout on air” on the Google+ page of the Klitschko Brothers (1 p.m. / CET).
http://www.google.com/+klitschko

Posted November 5, 2012 3:17 am 


Anonymous

Wavy is going to get wack Saturday.

Posted November 5, 2012 2:57 am 


PigMan

You are right Tark. The list of opposition Ali had is horrific.

Posted November 5, 2012 2:42 am 


Anonymous

The only reason this fight is o.k. is because a couple of guys are running from the k-bros.A few guys arent ready yet for them and everyone else they beat.But Tark as for Wepner he would crush Wach…Wach dosent bring a whole lot to the table.

Posted November 5, 2012 2:34 am 


Anonymous

Each is going to get wacky Saturday.

Posted November 5, 2012 2:29 am 


BigSlimDog

The Author of the article is a schmuck.

Posted November 5, 2012 1:09 am 


IronLife

Don’t see the problem here, this fight is fair game: Wach is undefeated and Wach is huge (will silence the critics that height is Klitschko’s only advantage).

Posted November 5, 2012 12:06 am 


rod

This is an interesting fight. Yes I think Pulev and Price are the best challengers out there but Wach is also a contender. First time ever Wlad is facing someone taller. Wach can box and he can bang and has one punch power. He uses his height ok and have never lost or been hurt on nearly 30 pro fights. No where near the skill or athletic ability or Wlad but it is an interesting matchup. Next fight for wlad should be Pulev or Price, huck should not even be mentioned

Posted November 4, 2012 11:14 pm 


Anonymous

I can’t argue that Wach is a soft touch, but who are these “20 heavyweights that Wladimir could pool from that would give him a tougher test”? I cant think of any top 20 heavies that Wlad has not already demolished or flat out refuse to get in the ring withh him.

Posted November 4, 2012 11:03 pm 


TARK

If Dimitrenko doesn’t want to fight… And Povetkin doesn’t want to fight… And David Price doesn’t want to fight yet… And American up and comers: Jennings, Wilder, Mitchell, and Hanks aren’t ready to fight yet… And Boytsov doesn’t want to fight… And Valuev retired after running from a Klitschko fight… And Helenius is fighting guys like Sherman Williams… And Chisora was demolished by Haye… And Haye is looking for Vitali… This pretty much takes care of the top 13 challengers except for Kubrat Pulev—who’s probably the best of the bunch… However Pulev wants to notch a couple more fights before he takes on Wladimir … Tthat means Mariusz Wach for this title defense — and maybe Marco Huck for Wlad’s next title defense… But this is still better opposition than Alfredo Evangelista, Jean Pierre Coopman, Jurgin Blin, Ruddi Lubbers, Chuck Wepner, Richard dunn, Leon Spinks (who had 7 fights) or Marvis Frazier (who had 10 fights).

Posted November 4, 2012 10:55 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

Wlad is The Number 1 Heavyweight. I believe he will defeat Wach,

Posted November 4, 2012 10:48 pm 



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