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Rajhi

Sauerland also said, that the punch stats was 857:241 against 684:235 in favor of Huck. He probably forgot, that the punches thrown in the dressing room while the warming up shouldn’t be added to his boxer’s stats.

Posted November 7, 2012 1:59 am 


David Borges

Arslan won clean ! Sauerland is protecting its investment. The boxing authorities and the Sport loose credibility with these kind of referee and ‘judges’.

Posted November 6, 2012 9:55 pm 


te tumbo

another feather in the dunce caps of “most boxing experts”, i.e., shills. they will always err in favor of the more marketable fighter.

Posted November 6, 2012 11:24 am 


Mr Rubes

The Queen, “In a fight this bad”?? Are you joking? You must have a very high standard of action fights so. Or perhaps you are turned on by watching paint dry (the other extreme) one or the other. Huck-Arslan was a fantastic back and forth action fight, the kind of war and the kind of passion (blood if you like that kind of thing too) you don’t get often enough in many people’s eyes. You are the loser in my eyes ;)

Posted November 6, 2012 8:27 am 


sweet-s

The Queen…you probably know the Queen has no power, but can of course say what she wants. And yes, Arslan won that fight!

Posted November 6, 2012 3:30 am 


huckster

The non experts saw it otherwise. What the hell the non experts know. They are not getting paid for their opinions.

Posted November 6, 2012 2:44 am 


The Queen

In a fight this bad there are no winners. Huck deserved to lose. Arslan lost. The fans lost. And everyone arguing about it on this comment page is a loser, too. Keep Calm and Carry On!

Posted November 5, 2012 8:27 pm 


Mr Rubes

sweet-s, and I will take your rather direct straight-forward post as it is too. Enjoy the boxing approaching this weekend :)

Posted November 5, 2012 7:56 pm 


sweet-s

I take that rather philosophical post as it is. Secondly, I’m absolutely fine with scoring intuitively and most fans and viewers just did that, but the majority of people (and I checked Huck’s facebook account) was dissatisfied with the result – especially after he posted one picture showing him penetrate Arslan’s guard. The caption to it reads: “See how did the more damage” as if a picture…
My purpose of posting the judging criteria was to blame the judges for either having done a poor job or being biased.

Posted November 5, 2012 7:16 pm 


Mr Rubes

sweet-s, point taken. I still believe Huck won the fight barely. And judges are not maschines so one can understand if they don’t stick so rigidly to everything you said-some place more emphasis on certain aspects such as maybe who landed the more damaging blows, who appeared to land the more technically good and so harder to land counterblows, who wanted it more and so on, forever. There are so many intangibles, and human beings will always have their preferences, that you can’t break a fight down as clearly as you did. If it was so straight-forward and rigid as you say, then anyone who knew these 4 components you named, would always know who the rightful winner would be. But boxing does not operate that way. Sometimes yes. But as often not. And that is neither good or bad. It just is.

Posted November 5, 2012 6:51 pm 


T-Bag

Huck got beat by a 42 year old gatekeeper, he’s a joke

Posted November 5, 2012 5:44 pm 


Boxtradamus

Huck LOST inside the Ring but he WON on the scorecards just as I predicted!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!

Posted November 5, 2012 4:44 pm 


sweet-s

Except from that, I doubt that Huck was landing the more telling blows in the second half of the fight. Yes, he landed, but rather on the defense of Arsaln for the majority. Arslan didn’t slow down too much, he constantly kept coming with the complete arsenal and in contrast to Huck was reaching body and head. Nevertheless one can score the majority of the second fight in Huck’s favour, but surely not all of them. There is no way giving Huck all rounds from 7 to 12!

Finally, don’t useDan Raphael’s scoring to prove your point. He might be one of the best informed people in the business and is often first, but he has no idea of how to score a fight properly, especially not live!

Posted November 5, 2012 4:40 pm 


sweet-s

Mr Rubes…First of all: You seem to bew rather young or have never learnt that if you want to bring across an opinion, it’s rather unclever to start by calling someone silly or start patronizing.

As far as my first post is concerned, these are the judging criteria, used by all profressional judges. It mifght be ok for a layman to score intuitively, but then it’s rather difficult to prove your point. By the way, counting and adding all 10:9 results of individual rounds is indeed numerical.

Posted November 5, 2012 4:38 pm 


HHLondon

Arslan nicked the fight by a couple of rounds.

Sweet S nailed down the bottom with his post.

Posted November 5, 2012 3:14 pm 


Mr Rubes

meh… possibly ;)

Posted November 5, 2012 3:14 pm 


Anonymous

Wach will get wack

Posted November 5, 2012 2:30 pm 


Mr Rubes

Finally sweet-s, I would like to say congratulations for the big effort you put into the first post. But unfortunately for you boxing has never, in over 100 years, been judged as strictly and as rigidly as you make out. You’re new to the sport I take it? ;)

Posted November 5, 2012 2:22 pm 


Mr Rubes

sweet-s, you are kind of silly are you not?? You are judging a fight like it’s a numerical science or something. Have you read my below post? I’ll break it down very simple just for you- Arslan threw more punches and landed more head punches. Huck threw and landed more body punches and landed the cleaner snappier punches. Arslan started stroner, Huck finished stronger. I’m not sure if you read the article here but Dan Rafael scored it to Huck 116-112, which is even more than I scored it for. Giving it to Huck by 115-113.

Posted November 5, 2012 2:20 pm 


The Kingslayer

Kalle has one of those smug faces that I just want to punch.

Posted November 5, 2012 1:30 pm 


sweet-s

Anonymous: I’m aware that a fight consists of 12 individual rounds. When I didn’t signify which round was meant in my first post, the content is true for all rounds. The workrate department is the only one of the 4 criteria, where Huck improved within the fight and therefore has the edge here, but not in all rounds after the seventh. If you don’t agree, tell me which rounds Huck should have won and add which criteria you your argument on.

Posted November 5, 2012 12:53 pm 


Anonymous

sweet-s:

Boxing is 12 individual, mini contests; you do not score the winner on the ‘totality’ of the fight. If Fighter A clearly wins 5 rounds and Fighter B barely edges 7 rounds, Fighter B wins.

Posted November 5, 2012 11:39 am 


Anonymous

Neither was that good,and this fight was not that exciting.There were hardly any open exchanges,it was one guy hitting,and the other covering up,then they traded places.Arslan got in with mostly weak uppercuts,and Huck was doing a good job hitting nothing but the opponents gloves.
The problem with all German based fighters is that they are taught to never exchange,and only punch when the other fighter stops punching.There is almost no counter punching with German fighters.

Posted November 5, 2012 11:37 am 


KO KIDD

Arslan dominated Huck, he was the ring general in every round, was the busier fighter in every round, and landed more in every round, his lefts and uppercuts turned Hucks head and body at times, Huck also never rocked or stunned Arslan and his offense consisted of waiting til the end of the round to throw in effect combos into gloves or air….Arslan won by 4 points

Posted November 5, 2012 11:19 am 


Luko

Huck lost. German robbery.

Posted November 5, 2012 11:10 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

To me, Huck has already deserved to lose to Lebedev, Afolabi and Arslan.

Posted November 5, 2012 9:02 am 


LeftHook

I saw it as ”’Sweet-s”’ wrote in post.1.

Posted November 5, 2012 8:55 am 


chitownfightfan

I scored it 116-112. Had Marco done his typical strategy of waiting until the 5th to start the fight, he’d have lost. Fortunately he won 2 of the first 4 and 6 of the final 8. Good action fight, almost no holding, and I can’t recall a period of more than 3 seconds in which no punches were throw. Styles make fights, and Huck is gonna need to remember this fight if he goes up against Wlodarczyk, Chakiev, or move up and fights Chagaev or Boystov. He’s gotta be ready to throw for 12 rds and block that UC.

Posted November 5, 2012 8:53 am 


Makki

Remember Huck was calling out Wlad Klitschko before the fight. Arslan has Huck in trouble, imagine what Klitschko would do to this guy.

Posted November 5, 2012 7:57 am 


Nelson Muntz

Good post “sweet-s”!!

Posted November 5, 2012 7:53 am 


Mr Rubes

I scored it to Huck by one round. But they both fought so hard I think a draw would have been most fair. What was quite obvious to me, Arslan landed the greAter number of clean head shots, Huck landed far more number of cleaner body shots, Arslan I think landed more shots overall but Huck’s shots always looked the more powerful and cleaner. This is why it was a hard fight to score. Some people judge fights by whoever was mostly aggressiv and yes, Arslan marched forward all night, but that is not the main or only component a fight is determined by. Of course you will always have idiots who jump on the “Germany is corrupt” bandwagon whenever a close and controversial decision happens. For you guys I would advice to get a life.

Posted November 5, 2012 7:52 am 


Firestarter

I had it a close 115-113 I wouldn’t say it was a robbery but the 117-111 but by the judge was a joke,

Posted November 5, 2012 7:48 am 


Unbiased Dane

Arslan scored a lot, but hes defense wasnt good enough,

Posted November 5, 2012 7:43 am 


sweet-s

If one considers the criteria of professional boxing, it becomes obvious, why Huck has lost the fight. Scoring all indiviadual rounds, the outcome must be in Arslan’s favour.

1. effective aggression:
For about 90% of the fight Arslan scores body head combos in a close phone booth style fight. He hardly misses with any shots. Huck, having a bloody nose early on, is stunned several times and lowering his workrate, seems not in control here. Arslan’s uppercut lands at will and causes Huck’s head to snap back considerably.

2. defense:
Arslan’s shell defence is inpenetrable for most of the rounds. Huck, however, desperately trying to land his flurries is hit flush showing several holes in his usually tight defense. Arslan has the momentum in this department.

3. ring generalship
Arslan, cutting off the ring effectively, manages to keep Huck at the ropes and hitting him almost at will. The champion on the other hand can’t take advantage of his reach and fights Arslan’s fight for most of the rounds. No doubt, Arslan is the ring general throughout.

4. workrate:
Arslan’s workrate saves him the first half of the fight. Nevertheless, Huck rallies in the second half. Still Arslan should be given at least one round in the second half, granting him the edge in this department, too.

Looking at the fight this way it seems apparent that Huck definitely never won the fight yesterday night. The judge seeing the fight 117:111 must have been blind or at least extremely eager in his will to be invited by Sauerland in the near future again. However one sees it, Huck can’t have won!!

Posted November 5, 2012 6:58 am 



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