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SREDMOND

If you read below I say “Corrie Sanders RIP” that said he was a C plus level fighter historically and thats just a fact…. He was not a guy consistently pitted against World Class competition….If upsetting Wlad via TKO was the proxy for historical elevation then I guess Brewster and Purrity deserve a Gold Medal as well?? Both Rahman and Vitali STOPPED Sanders beyond that what prime World Class threats was he contending with?? Those guys in the saloons in South Africa simply don’t rate…. C plus fighter, no extra credit for potential…

Posted November 9, 2012 10:56 am 


Unbiased Dane

Again this sad angry person who call himself sredmon shows no respect to Corrie Sanders.

Posted November 9, 2012 10:52 am 


SREDMOND

Funny Tark, you LOVE to try and characterize Ali by the latter portions of his career where he started taking more fire, yet you NEGATE the PEAK of Wlads career when his reflexes, legs ect should have kept him from letting a BUM, a Golfer and a B level fighter humiliate him in the ring…. Even Vitali told him to retire, kudos on perfecting his grappling techniques but again you miss the boat

Posted November 8, 2012 11:49 am 


SREDMOND

Wlad’s historically such an awesome defender that he was knocked out twice in 5 fights, and on his ass around 8 times during that span… NONE of the guys who put him down were special boxers, or even as big as he is…..Ali had terrific head movement and footwork as a younger boxer, as he got older and more stationary his excellent chin did not fail him when the going got rough… Watching TWO World Class HW’s fight is foreign to those in the Klit ERA….When Vitali fought a World Class boxer with his size he was getting HIT and HIT often and hard… His grill collapsed from the shots…… Watching mismatching over in Germany has you dopes confused….Holy and Bowe BOTH were Undisputed Champs and thus their tussles were violent and had seesaw action…. If the Klits are not bullying some lame fighter, then they are not even in the ring absent Lewis

Posted November 8, 2012 11:39 am 


SREDMOND

Tark will LAUD Wlad who got knocked out 3 times and pretend Ali and the rest had terrible defense… The reality is that BOTH Klits have spent MOST of their time in the ring with guys that were too inept to challenge their chins… To his credit when a GREAT fighter got to Vitalis he survived but his face did NOT…. Wlad is such a terrific defender he was stopped 3 times in his prime buy nobodies?? Ali fought men who were gonna make contact because they were ALSO highly skilled and determined foes….. Ali, Frazier, Norton, Foreman…. Norton was 35 years old giving a PRIME Holmes all he could handle for 15 rounds…. Watching the Klits beat on lames has given clowns like Tark a false sense of security…. Yeah Wlad is badass, when he is in the ring with a dead men like Mormeck and Thompson…. Sheesh

Posted November 8, 2012 11:22 am 


SREDMOND

Sanders RIP was a C plus level fighter lets be honest….Getting stopped by Vitali Klitschko and upsetting Wlad do NOT give him this awesome makeover… He was a guy who’s bread and butter was beating up unheralded fighters in South Africa…. Thats the truth and he is a net loss to the overall Klit legacy because he was NOT supposed to be able to destroy Wlad in 2 sad rounds….. Vitali beating him up was consistent with the reality of Sanders deficits…. Thus ends the lesson

Posted November 8, 2012 10:35 am 


75houston

go fk yourself sredmondess troll!!! Sanders was a warrior unlike you fggt!!!!!!

Posted November 8, 2012 12:21 am 


Anonymous

Ali did slip punches.He also used lateral movement for defence aswell as a offence move.Ali could throw and land not having to stop and set-up punches his movement was a major asset for both offence and defence.As for Bugner read my comment below about him I go into who he fought and when…sorry but the fighters he fought and when he fought them shows they were not used goods like you think I prove it in my post below.No Bugner wasnt elite by no means but he proved a few things in the ring…unlike guys like Wach and Fields.

Posted November 8, 2012 12:19 am 


Anonymous

“Ali was a master at slipping punches.” ..NOPE. Ali couldn’t slip punches. Ali got hit upside the head a ton, and tended to hide behind his gloves like Abraham.. Lateral movement does nothing if you can’t defend.. Norton and Frazier simply walked Ali down and beat him up.. That’s before they were beaten to trash by guys like Foreman—who couldn’t handle a jab, so he could never beat a Kltischko either …..
Bugner wasn’t any good…anybody name Bug beat was trashed before he fought him.. Cooper had a glass chin and won the Euro in England when they DQ’d Mildenberger for “illegal use of the head.” Only it was Mildy’s jab that opened the torrent of cuts, not his head.. Bug had a good chin—but that was his only asset besides his height, weight, and reach.. Wach is bigger, taller, heavier, and has a longer reach, takes a better punch, can duck a punch, and doesn’t fight like he’s trying to hide under a bed….

Posted November 7, 2012 11:27 pm 


75houston

go fk yourself redmondess btch troll

Posted November 7, 2012 11:25 pm 


Anonymous

Tark..Just kidding about the FOX news stuff…I read some of your political veiws that I agree with 100% your boxing veiws not so much…

Posted November 7, 2012 8:35 pm 


Anonymous

Tark..You never gave an answer to my Bugner comment.And to say Ali had A.A. like defence is unreal.Ali had some of the best lateral movement in boxing and was a master at slipping punches early part of his career more so ofcourse.My god Tark you really know how to spin things are you a lawyer or a fox news anchor man?

Posted November 7, 2012 8:23 pm 


Mr Rubes

TARK, well said. I agree

Posted November 7, 2012 7:15 pm 


TARK

The K Bros 25% as exciting as Ali? WTF? …. To brawling fans, Ali was exciting because he got nailed with spectacular roundhouse shots that looped around his Arthur Abraham defense or caught him pulling straight back. Ali-Frazier 1 was exciting because neither fighter could defend that well.. They smashed each other’s faces with a high percentage of their swings.. Aficionado boxing fans enjoy seeing masterful defenders.. They would rather see consummate skills like a Floyd Mayweather slide-to-the-side and check hook, or a deft Vitali Klitschko shoulder roll and sharp right counter, than 2 thick skulled swingers trashing each other like Ali and Frazier … I guarantee you that after their ring careers are over, the life experiences and occupations of great defenders like Floyd and the Klitschkos are going to be one hell of a lot better and more interesting than those of Ali or Frazier—who just couldn’t defend as well.

Posted November 7, 2012 7:11 pm 


Mr Rubes

I remember one of the first things you said Red was that neither Klitschko are anywhere near top 10 ATG heavyweights, you said it’s “IMPOSSIBLE” Vitali will ever be considered top 10, and that Wlad “might” be considered top 10 one day if he managed to dominate for the next 4-5 years (til he’s about 41). All this was based on your argument, “who have they beaten?” Yet ask Red who Joe Louis or Holmes beat that are so special, he CAN’T answer. Red goes on about how the Klitschkos lost to guys of no hisotrical importance so their legacy is forever tarnished, yet when asked is Pacquaio’s legacy also tarnished since he was KOd twice early by two guys of no historical importance, he CAN’T respond. And Pacquiao is only one example of MANY boxing legends who suffered shock defeats once upon a time. RED has let slip that if the Klitschkos were AMERICAN all would be forgiven (read between the lines, the predictable idiot), but they are not, so the POLITICIAN Sredmond applies one set of rule to the Klitschkos, but allows his American boys to bypass such rules. What a Character this Sredomd is LMAO :P :)

Posted November 7, 2012 7:09 pm 


Mr Rubes

You are not getting out of this one you predictable fool. You are a total BIASED American. Why even bring up such stats or the statement initially, which led to this? Because it’s on your mind BIG, and your fragile ego feels threatened (rightly so!) of the European DOMINANCE in the heavyweight division (in fact one can observe it throughout all weight classes- America losing its grip) but it’s as clear as day in the heavyweight division. I was watching a documentary somewhere and there was a line something like “many americans feel it’s their birthright to have the heavyweight champ of the world be american” hahaha, guess what. DIFFERENT reality now boy! ;) Your close minded species though will become less and less I’m sure (although there will always be insecure idiots roaming the planet unfortunately) but as humankind starts to enter into a more logical and hopefully more enlightened age, your breed will be less. But the point is, you have painted yourself as a nationalistic insecure idiotic politician who can’t answer questions, because doing so would confront you to the awful reality of things! LOL! ;) Both Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko are already boxing LEGENDS, but the Legend of the Klitschkos has hardly begun. You’ll see ;)

Posted November 7, 2012 6:50 pm 


SREDMOND

Rubes the US GDP, Gross Domestic Product is SEVERAL times that of the nearest competitor nation FACT… Reality is that most HW Champs have come from the US and its boxing history is RICH with love for GOOD HW’s…. The Klits have not gotten that love and that is the POINT…. Lewis took time to establish himself here but Vitali is on his way out and it has not happened and it won’t….Accept it Ruby the Klits have a fanbase in Germany and parts of Europe but they are NOT the Global phenoms Ali or Tyson were…. If you have NO buzz in the US, the how popular are you????

Posted November 7, 2012 6:29 pm 


Mr Rubes

By the way Politican, you were STILL unable to give a straightforward reason as to why Vitali/Charr was an “undercard fight” As usual the politician couldn’t answer to simple questions- 1) What do you define an “undercard fight” to be (I know what my definition is) and 2) Were both fights competing for the same time slot, i.e. were they on at the same time, or was there literally half a day in the difference?

Posted November 7, 2012 6:20 pm 


Mr Rubes

“The Klits are so famous that the most powerful nation on earth and home to MOST HW Champions in history” Sredmond, you’ve just let slip you’re total and utter American bias. That’s why you hate on the Klitsschkos. And by the way, if I was a betting man, I would bet nearly everything that in the “next one hundred years” the sight of an American heavyweight of note will be more rare than the site of the lochness monster in Scotland! ;) IWho was the last American heaveright of note?? Holyfield…and that’s already 15 years and counting ;)

Posted November 7, 2012 6:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Ruby, Sadly for you the Klits comportment has NOTHING to do with their popularity if you wanna make the case they were “nicer” than Ali or Tyson I won’t argue…. But they are about 25% as exciting and even less famous….. Tyson was in China and they knew exactly who he was…. The Klits could walk thru Times Square and most would simply notice a couple of tall, well built guys..Tyson and Ali are more visible in this country NOW than either of the Klits and both guys are long retired…. Sad but true Ruby!

Posted November 7, 2012 6:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Ruby ABSENT Ward/Dawson we would have just seen Klits on EPIX like usual the US is not concerned with a LOW import fight like that… Everyone knows the Klits are largely invisible in the United States…. Thats just reality Bro, and that is while having one of the MOST famous and successful trainers in the history of the sport Manny Steward a US citizen….Or are you gonna go birther on me and say the late, great Steward was from Germany or the Ukraine??

Posted November 7, 2012 6:03 pm 


SREDMOND

The Klits are so famous that the most powerful nation on earth and home to MOST HW Champions in history does NOT know who they are… Rubes you are hilarious but that bit of BS was pretty well written for a change :)

Posted November 7, 2012 6:00 pm 


Mr Rubes

Redmond BOTTOM LINE! Answer the questions you POLITICIAN: WHAT do you define an “Undercard fight” to be? AND where both fights CLASHING for live coverage that they had to choose, which one to show LIVE?

Posted November 7, 2012 5:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Bottom line Ruby is that the lead fight in the US was Ward/Dawson….. Vitali was shown as an afterthought if you want to play semantics thats fine… But the FOCAL point of the US telecast was a fight between two 168 pounders, instead of the FOCAL point being a HW Championship fight…Reality Ruby

Posted November 7, 2012 5:50 pm 


Mr Rubes

Sredmond, explain to me, this is the first I’ve heard of it. How in your definition, no political ramblings, do you make Vitali-Charr on the “undercard” of Ward fight? How do you define “undercard”? Were both fights fought LIVE at the same time Sredmond?

Posted November 7, 2012 5:45 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, the reality is that Klits/Charr was shown as an undercard fight in the US we KNOW it was broadcast from across Seas because there is no US market for a fight like that with Vitali…It is pretty shameful that a HW Champion cannot get top billing in the US…

Posted November 7, 2012 4:17 pm 


SREDMOND

“Todays level” outside the Klits most of these guys are terrible…. Thats why you guys think that dudes like Magomed has skills… Or that Pulev and Povetkin are terrific fighters.. Man please these guys are super basic and not one of them would have even gotten past a prime or solid version of Holyfield…..Boystov and the rest would rather die than face a guy who is on their level, to his credit Pulev is trying but I see nothing special in the ring…. This era is littered with suspect HW’s absent the Klits

Posted November 7, 2012 4:12 pm 


SEANTRADER2001@YAHOO.COM

Who is reveling in Ali/Spinks?? Ali gave us plenty of GREAT fights and dangerous matchups… The Klits 100 plus bouts produced ONE 6 rounder a facial blitz by Lennox Lewis when Vitali dared to challenge… What Great matchups have the Klits produced????

Posted November 7, 2012 4:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, the reality as it pertains to US television Klits/Charr was an undercard fight for Dawson/Ward….Its unceremonius for a HW Champion to fight as an afterthought to a couple SMW fighters….We know he could fight Brittany Spears in Germany and they would cheer and you would discuss how dangerous she was due to the perkiness of her ass…

Posted November 7, 2012 3:53 pm 


Dudadd

Yes indeed heavyweight boxing at itz best. Who is better? The K-brothers are the best to deny this is to spurn reality. Redmond finds succour in Ali vs. Spinks haha. Come on you Ali/Lewis buffs are really incongruous with adulation of over the hill boxers who fought at a level unthinkable at today’s heavyweight level. When you boys come back to reality let us know and we can talk otherwise try to get a grip.

Posted November 7, 2012 3:45 pm 


TARK

Sred keeps saying Vitali fought undefeated Manuel Charr on the “undercard” of Ward-Dawson.. The Vitiali-Charr Heavyweight Championship fight was fought in Moscow Russia.. It was the main event and broadcast on EPIX on American TV in the morning—and rebroadcast a couple time in the afternoon—presumably to get additional revenues … The Ward-Dawson fight was fought in a different time slot, in a different arena, in a different city, in a different time zone, in a different country, on a different continent… This is SHAMEFUL??? …But facts never get in the way of Sred trying to come up with new angles for defaming the Klitschkos.

Posted November 7, 2012 3:33 pm 


Anonymous

Tark..Your comment dosent hold water at all.Bugner fought Cooper when Cooper had the euro belt and was coming off good wins.Tillis went 10 rounds with Tyson same year Bugner beat him.Foster went 15rds. with Ali one year before Bugner beat him.Bugner beat Page then Page went the distance with Barret ELEVEN years after he fought Bugner and lost.The same guy who beat Fields in 80 seconds.Bugner also fought Frazier in 1973 right before the last Ali-Frazier fight.So to say Bugner fought these fighters when they were in a old folks home or had one foot in the grave is very misleading.Fields and Wach resume is light years behind Bugners…and yes even Bugner would have beaten both these fighters.Wach and Fields even more so are just product made fighters to keep the wheels of boxing turning.

Posted November 7, 2012 2:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Dudadd, discusses “HW boxing at its best” I seriously hope you don’t mean fights like Vitali/Charr, or Wlad vs Mormeck, Thompson II or Wach?? These are NOT the type of matchups that serious boxing fans are looking for…. These bouts only serve to numerically bolster the records of the Klits but qualitatively these contests are turning away fans in droves…Real fans don’t want to see crap like these….

Posted November 7, 2012 1:29 pm 


Daly jr

Dudadd, i will get the klitchko fight for free this weekend on boxnation, and guess what, i wont be watching it!!! I stay up all night to watch the shows in new york, vegas, L.A etc etc etc. I wont even attempt to brave 10pm to be put to sleep on the couch by a klitchko. Did you realy call mayweather a freak of nature?lol. Your hero Vitali and any other near 7 footers TECHNICALLY are the freaks of nature.

Posted November 7, 2012 12:13 pm 


SREDMOND

America has fallen behind in HW boxing in terms of competitors, I agree that said the Klitschkos are unable to do what other foreign Champions have done (Lewis, Pacquiao) they are bores and their popularity is confined to Germany and parts of Europe…. The BIGGEST money and Greatest acclaim still lies in winning over the US populace thats why Vitali has tried to attach himself to Lewis who FINALLY crossed over for 10 years… HBO tried a PPV with Vitali post Lewis and it was a BOMB, doing less than 200k buys I believe… Mayweather and Pac are phenoms who have supported the sport while this lumbering HW’s the Klits pick are not even fighting eachother and building reps…HW boxing is on life support and to their credit at least the Klits are beating the willing lames up…..

Posted November 7, 2012 12:09 pm 


Dudadd

Redmond The USA is a third world backwater when it comes to heavyweight boxing at present being home more to midget boxing ala Mayfeather and other freaks of nature. As far as selling commercials in what some call the boxing sticks this would be patently unprofitable from a financial point of view and a apposite one to compound the matter. American audiences have forgotten the pleasure of watching top notch heavyweight boxing you being a case in point or you would not write such rubbish. This Saturday night Europe will be glued to their TV sets watching heavyweight boxing at itz best what will you be doing?

Posted November 7, 2012 12:03 pm 


SREDMOND

DuDad, Vitali “had it his way” against a level of comp best described as peaking a B and averaging around C plus…A guy who is going to be sold as the GREATEST had better defeat an A level opponent somewhere along the line and Klits has not done that… Thats why he has a tattoo of Lewis face on his ballsack

Posted November 7, 2012 12:03 pm 


SREDMOND

Vitali had ONE fight with a GREAT opponent who was physically comprable on the downside of his career and he LOST via 6th round TKO…. This in and of itself is not a cause for shame but his absence of quality wins is very telling… He has been beating on Cruisers, (Adamek, Gomez) Old men (Briggs) and inept fighters like Sosnowski and KingPin Johnson…. Arreola was a guy with a padded record who NEVER booked a win over a top 10 fighter…. Alis level of competition makes Vitali look like he was going to the local high school and beating up the JV Quarterback as a Grown man…. Stoppage wins over Frazier, Foreman and Liston twice render Klits resume somewhat null and void… Had Vitali beat Lewis he would have had something to talk about instead his inability to block right hands was his undoing….

Posted November 7, 2012 11:56 am 


Daly jr

I remember watching him fight danny williams. The pair of them were doing the chicken dance all night

Posted November 7, 2012 11:49 am 


Dudadd

The ‘peak’ of Vitali’s career lies in his modus operandi, ability and the totality of his control once in the squared circle. While Ali often was taken to the limit Vitali has been overwhelming with his ring foes like no one else before. Vitali is the heavyweight primus because of ring authority and decisiveness of his victories coming mostly by knockout minus the fights where he was injured or the opponent refused to box. No other heavyweight champion has ever had it ‘his way’ in the ring like VK not even his highly talented brother.

Posted November 7, 2012 11:49 am 


SREDMOND

“ColdSore in Warsaw” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted November 7, 2012 11:47 am 


SREDMOND

K2Fan, Sanders was a part time Golfer this is a matter of public record… He was a late replacement who crushed Wlad, it was an upset but it does not make him a GREAT over overly formidable opponent on the top levels of boxing…. Besides Wlad got blasted 5 fights later so the argument could be made that his chin was SUPER weak at that point… Something like 8 KD’s over a 7 fight span…. Shameful

Posted November 7, 2012 11:47 am 


SREDMOND

Dudadd, where are the commercials and sold out American venues that Wlad and Vitali are playing too??? I live in NYC and the Klits could not hold Mayweathers, or Pacquiaos jockstrap in this country…When they fight on the EPIX jumbotron in Times Square for free there are no huge crowds watching the HW Champions… Meanwhile Mayweather can get 1.5 million people to pay $70 USD to watch him handle his biz…. The Klits are big in Germany we know this kudos, but the biggest stage in boxing is largely waiting for them to retire…. To some extent thats a shame because they are HOF fighters but their boring styles and uninspired matchups have failed to capture the imagination….The average US boxing fan is going to know Mayweather, Pacquiao and maybe Cotto… The Klits are not as popular as a Amir Khan or Hatton in this country….

Posted November 7, 2012 11:44 am 


Daly jr

I live primarily in the UK now, but my time has been spread between Rome, Foggia, London, and Stockholm for the last 3 years until my bussines has settled in earlier this year. Asif i need to explain myself to you! If i was to ask you about Giorgio Petrosyan what could you honestly tell me without looking on google? Chances are you have no idea who he is. He is being toute as the greatest kickboxer/thai boxer of all time. But untill january i had never heard of him, and i only got to know about him by chance because someone gave me some fight tickets. Because hes not big outside of kickboxing! Just as the Ks are not big outside of boxing

Posted November 7, 2012 11:42 am 


SREDMOND

Dud, you might as well slit your wrists because Muhammad Ali is LITERALLY the most famous boxer in the history of the sport and thats no exaggeration… Before Cable, Before the internet, Before cable T.V Ali was known the world over and over 30 years post retirement he is still being honored and celebrated Klits included check youtube…Apparently the annals of history consider him a VERY big deal and he sure as hell did not have to fight on the undercards of SMW boxers from the US!! LOL

Posted November 7, 2012 11:39 am 


Dudadd

Daily jr. You don’t live in Europe I would hazard a guess and say you live on a wind blown chilly little island that once was part of Europe but since has become something far different. As far as your office co-workers are concerned that have never heard of the brothers are they the same lot that think the earth is flat and the moon made of cheese?

Posted November 7, 2012 11:35 am 


SREDMOND

Ali began his career at 193 pounds and the guys he is most known for all were 200 pounds or above ie Foreman, Frazier and (Liston when Ali was under 200 pounds)… THAT was the division, and this desire to marginalize or scoff at the building blocks of the HW division is simply an accomodation to explain away the Klits relatively weak opponents, uneventful fights and absence of drama… For Gods sake Wlad and Vitali are the runaway best during this period and they are not fighting… You guys want us to accept Wlads testimony as to who would win in lieu of videotape…. LOL

Posted November 7, 2012 11:29 am 


SREDMOND

Vitalis win over Sam Peter is his biggest but the reality is that Sam Peter was NOT some sort of incredible fighter…He was heavyhanded and pretty crude when he did train… Kudos to Vitali for getting the win but this is NOT some sort of epic moment in the annals of boxing history… I know guys will trying and laud FAT Sammy to the high heavens but the story is just not that deep…. Nice work Vitali but if thats the peak of your career its not very high…. Sam Peter???

Posted November 7, 2012 11:16 am 


Daly jr

Oh and clearly i do have the convenience of electrical devices. Or did you think i was sending you these messages telepathically??

Posted November 7, 2012 11:09 am 


This Guy

this meh poster says “The longest he (Lewis) was out of action was one year between tyson and vitali – hence his condition/fitness” would love to hear his thoughts on Vitali being out for 4 years and owning top rated contender/wbc champ Peter on the return. Vitali is a disiplined oiled machine as always that’s why. Lummox Lewis a typical britard : lazy, arrogant, overhyped. I wipe my ass with the union jack each night :D

Posted November 7, 2012 10:49 am 


75houston

I exposed you redmondess. no straight answer from you btch troll. go fk yourself!!!

Posted November 7, 2012 10:48 am 


Daly jr

Dudadd………… How can you possibly call fighters with LOSSES on there records unbeatable?? You cannot change history. Vitali started out well against Lewis, but then his face was torn to shreds. And might i add it was a FAT version of Lewis who beat Vitali! The Klitchkos a widely regarded as the best of a bad bunch. FACT!!!! Ask joe bloggs on the street who They are. Everyone knows who Ali is. No-one outside of boxing/combat sports have heard of these guys. More of the general public know who David Haye is than who know who the Klitchkos are. They will get into the hall of fame because they are the best of there time, SINCE LEWIS RETIRED!!! Here i am puting my self in this argument again like an idiot.

Posted November 7, 2012 10:44 am 


K-2Fan

Poor , silly Uncle Remus ( aka SREDMOND ), No matter what the article may be about , he invariably tries to discredit Vitaly ! That boy is
simply obssesed with Vitaly . I don’t know whether it’s because Vitaly
beat the crap out of Lenny , or because Vitaly frightened poor Lenny so badly , that he refused a rematch , or because Lenny ” retired ” rather
than face Vitaly , in any case , Uncle Remus hates Vitaly . He even
tkesw it out on real fighters like Corrie Sanders , to diminish Vitaly , by continuasly Corrie ” a part time golfer ” , as a feeble minded atempt to detract from Vitaly’s greatness ! I wonder ; how come Lenny never fought Corrie ? Was it because he was a ” part time golfer ” or was it because he had a great left ? Judging from the
way Lenny tucked in his skirts and ran from Vitaly , I’m inclined to
think it was the latter . In any case , I’ll take a part time golfer
over a full time idiot anytime !

Posted November 7, 2012 10:39 am 


75houston

lewis retired like an overfcked hoe

Posted November 7, 2012 10:25 am 


SREDMOND

75 Houston, you amused me so I tried to play with you on this but you are adding nothing to the convo absent riding my nuts and anxiously awaiting my next mandate and edict…. When you decide to add some content perhaps I will grace you with a reply but snipers like you are boring….:)

Posted November 7, 2012 10:25 am 


Dudadd

Shameful is unmistakably nit picking and or heal biting at the best that heavyweight boxing has to offer. The brothers are legends in their own time yet some aggrieved types that continue to debate this as if there is merit to their fanciful diatribes do not change the glorious presentation that the brothers continue to bring on average every four months. Bringing up names of departed fighters from times where a heavyweight was often under 200 lbs. is absurd. The Klitschkos have made boxing and continue to make boxing history as I write and they are still unbeatable which obviously drives some dim-wits mad.

Posted November 7, 2012 10:22 am 


75houston

I asked you about your fkn personal opinion as a btch troll. SAY THE ONE FKN NAME!!!

Posted November 7, 2012 10:21 am 


75houston

typical off-topic answer from a btch troll like redmond

Posted November 7, 2012 10:17 am 


SREDMOND

Lewis beat Vitali like a HOE, did you notice the menstruel period he originated in Vitali’s face??? Lips, eye (2 cuts) cheek, mouth…Only bleeder was Klits who got ragged and tagged on his way to a TKO loss that stamped him forever as a guy who could not close out the big one…. Sad he could have had it all were he a good enough fighter…. :(

Posted November 7, 2012 10:15 am 


75houston

Cowardly Lewis retired like a beaten hoe

Posted November 7, 2012 10:13 am 


SREDMOND

So 75 Houston, lets see some content out of you Buddy?????? Are you simply a sniper or do you have an opinion that you would like to share…. We know my views I share them without regard for clowns like you…. LOL

Posted November 7, 2012 10:13 am 


SREDMOND

75 Houston aka “Angry Man” lets start with who is NOT the best…. Vitali Klitschko… As to who is the best, most experts agree its between the likes of Louis or Ali or some permutation of those names…. NONE are going to annoint a guy who played SECOND fiddle, NEVER unified, NEVER beat a HOF level fighter and let another guy have all the belts while he defended the WBA belt…. Vitali belongs in the HOF but he is a glorified beltholder while Wlad is the ruler of this LOWLY ERA…. Anymore questions and besides sucking me off you are no providing any arguments as to why Vitali is the BEST absent you like him???

Posted November 7, 2012 10:11 am 


75houston

WHO WAS THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT EVER REDMOND???!!!!! NAME!!!!

Posted November 7, 2012 10:10 am 


SREDMOND

Vitali took off 4 years from boxing while his brother ruled and cleaned up the division… Lewis did not need to keep fighting FURTHER past hi s prime because he handled his business and closed out his career facing the #2 man of the subsequent ERA and beating him (Vitali) during the prime of his career… I know you clowns love to pretend Klits was a green fighter when Lewis whipped him, but reality he was 31 or 32 and well into his career…He had the BEST shot imaginable at beating Lewis but when the going got tough, his face came apart and the excuses have flown for a decade….

Posted November 7, 2012 10:08 am 


75houston

go fk yourself troll! I asked you and you didn’t answer! WHO IN YOUR FKN OPINION WAS THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT EVER?!!!! NAME!!!

Posted November 7, 2012 10:03 am 


SREDMOND

Vitali might as well keep on fighting till he is 50 because he has not booked half the quality of wins that Lewis did….. Lewis took out Tyson, Klits, Holy, Mercer, prime Briggs, undefeated Grant…. Who did Vitali beat?? Samuel Peter and is not looking nervous about facing the ONLY name fight left in boxing besides his little Bro…. (David Haye) shameful….Lewis fought on the biggest stage, Vitali is on the undercard of Ward vs Dawson…. Shameful!!

Posted November 7, 2012 10:02 am 


Dudadd

Unintelligent how some moronic types continue to bleat that VK lost two fights when truthfully the facts speak for themselves. In both fights VK was leading until injury caused the proceedings to be curtailed.
Unlike Ali who was beaten repeatedly even by the lowly like Spinks and finally beaten and chased out of boxing at the at the early age of 38 MEANWHILE VITALI is still champion going in to his 43 year.

Posted November 7, 2012 9:00 am 


Dudadd

The explanation why Adamek and Gomez did not accede to championship status may possibly be due to the fact that a Klitschko made this clearly impossible. In the interim the number of the denied by K-2 skill and boxing excellence has produced an amazing number of prospective but most assuredly denied up and coming championship prospects whose championship title ambitions have been exclusively kept in check by and because of the Klitschko machine which has dealt the boxing wannabe’s decisive defeats in the ring for many years in a row now. This very fact is or should be by now very evident to devotee’s of heavyweight boxing unless of course agenda driven, dull-witted or worse yet, a New Yaaker.

Posted November 7, 2012 8:50 am 


SREDMOND

Unlike Ali, Vitali lost 2 of his biggest fights in his prime, Lewis and Byrd ONE a QUIT job…. Ali, Foreman and Louis never QUIT as prime fighters like Klitschko did so if you want to draw a distinction that is one you might want to look at…. Vitali rises to the occasion against B level at best and C level MOST of the time…. Thats why you are so amped he beat Hide who was a good HW but nothing special and his own resume is devoid of wins over serious talent…. When he stepped in with Bowe and Vitali he got stopped….I cannot believe you tried to sell Gomez and Adamek at HW they never accomplished ANYTHING of note, at least Haye managed to get a belt around his waist for a second before fighting like a chump against Wlad….

Posted November 7, 2012 8:32 am 


SREDMOND

Tomas Adamek is a Crusierweight, Herbie Hide are you serious?? And beating Gomez?? Gomez and Adamek NEVER became HW Champions they were Crusierweights and before you say “everyone was a Crusierweight prior to the Klits” that division did not gain steam till 1982 and sad attempts at redefining the weight class ain’t gonna cut it… Vitali was NEVER the lone to HW for any duration so how do you stack him vs Holmes who defended 20 times straight??? Vitali has pretty much been 2nd best for all but one year…. Ali beat 9 HOF fighters, Vitali beat 0, and Ali enjoyed distinction of the BEST HW around for extended periods….Joe Louis was the ONLY HW Champ for 11 years and he defended what 25 times….Isn’t that the record you guys dream of Wlad eclipsing by trying to throw in his interrupted reigns???

Posted November 7, 2012 8:28 am 


Daly jr

Tark, im not really interested in the on going war between you and sredmond. I simply put forward my opinion on who was the greatest HW of all time. I beleive Ali was a dancer, and Both Klitchkos have been fighting in a weak era (not there fault) which isnt any stronger than the Luis era. I wouldnt throw cruiserweight Adamek into an argument for Vitali being the greatest HEAVYWEIGHT of all time!! Just like i wouldnt throw in half of Alis oponents. And thats all im going to say on the subject. Ive been dragged into this same conversation between you and sred when i first started commenting on ESB, and realised it was a big mistake because you cant always change peoples minds. There are people out there who beleive Marciano was the greatest HW of all time, and as hard as myself and others have tried, they still beleive this to be the case. You can lead a horse to water………….

Posted November 7, 2012 7:20 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

Slightly off subject: Everyone’s slagging off Klitschko’s opponents, So how about the European promotors getting together & stage a proper elimination tournament to find out who should be 100% #1 mandatory contender. I can think of eight unbeaten pugilists from Europe & the UK who need to be tested IE.- Price, Fury, Pulev, Povetkin, Gerber, Boytsov, Pianeta & Helinius. So how about it? A European super 8………….

Posted November 7, 2012 5:32 am 


TARK

Who did Joe Louis or Larry Holmes beat that were so great??? Holmes beat Norton with a badly torn biceps, which is real good, but Norton was KO’d 5 times and knocked on his ear by a 188 pound Jose Luis Garcia who had only 12 wins… Holmes also beat Weaver, Witherspoon, Cooney, Berbick, Shavers, Smith, and Mercer.. Those guys embarrassed themselves at various times.. Joe Louis didn’t beat any prime fighter of that caliber because he fought in a no talent era—doesn’t mean he wasn’t great, or that Holmes or Louis wouldn’t have beaten Ali to death if they met in their primes.. Vitali beat Sanders, Adamek, Gomez, Hide, and other World Champions.. VK didn’t duck anyone like Bowe and Holyfield did.. Like Ali did.. Like Tyson did.. He fought everybody and retired at 41, still Heavyweight Champion of the World—having never been out-boxed, out-pointed, or out-fought, having never been behind on points, and having never been knocked down.

Posted November 7, 2012 5:07 am 


Daly jr

Larry Holmes or Joe Luis

Posted November 7, 2012 4:05 am 


75houston

@redmond. who is the best heavyweight ever? don’t be shy clown, tell me.

Posted November 7, 2012 3:47 am 


75houston

go fk yourself troll!

Posted November 7, 2012 3:39 am 


75houston

go fk yourself!

Posted November 7, 2012 3:35 am 


75houston

who’s the best heavyweight ever Redmond troll? tell me!

Posted November 7, 2012 2:57 am 


Anonymous

Die in a fire, REDMOND…

Posted November 7, 2012 2:41 am 


SREDMOND

Corrie Sanders and Peter are hardly worth mention as guys Vitali beat… ESPECIALLY Purrity who was beaten by everyone under the son… The fact that Wlad had a weak chin and got dumped by these guys does not make Vitalis wins anymore special… Neither man demonstrated he was a threat to TOP boxers on a consistent basis (Purrity a BUM)…. Beating Peter was cool, but Fat Sammy was no one special as a fighter lets get real Tark….

Posted November 7, 2012 12:18 am 


Anonymous

SREDMOND once again on a Klitschko article like white on rice. The historic run that they are on right now is killing this scumbag. Believe it.

Posted November 6, 2012 10:57 pm 


TARK

Not only has Vitali NEVER been knocked down in his professional boxing career. He beat up and scored KO’s over 3 Heavyweights who knocked his brother Wladimir down a total of 8 times, pretty damned impressive … Vitali has definitely been the dominant heavyweight of his era—and even Wladimir said, “Vitali would win if we fought. He’s bigger, stronger, and tougher than me. So we don’t need to fight.” Vitali said in answer to the same question, “I am not going to sacrifice my brother for my own glory.” Kind of different answers, and different results facing the same opponents.

Posted November 6, 2012 10:35 pm 


TARK

You’re the only clown…. Look…. Vitali has never been behind on points in ANY of his 17 World Heavyweight Championship Boxing matches, or in ANY other professional boxing match he ever had—including those with Lewis, Byrd, Adamek, Arreola, Gomez, Solis, Williams, Sanders, Kevin Johnson, Peter, Briggs, Hide, Donald, Kirk Johnson, Hoffman, or Chisora … Although Vitali did lose 2 fights due to injuries he was NEVER out-boxed in his 16 year career, never behind on points, and never knocked down.

Posted November 6, 2012 10:31 pm 


TARK

Anonymous…. The name fighters Bugner beat were done. He beat names who were dead, beat, and gone. Marvis Frazier worked Bugner’s head like a speed bag when Marvis had only 9 fights as a pro. That was the fight Marvis’s manager, Joe Frazier, said proved Marvis was ready for Larry Holmes.. Holmes dispatched Marvis in the first round with ridiculous ease. Holmes knew it was too early for Frazier to be fighting him and was concerned for the kid’s health … The truth is Bugner was much easier to hit than Mariusz Wach—in fact he was so easy to find it was ridiculous. That’s why a neophyte like Marvis Frazier could pound on his head.. I’m sure with his range, size, and height, even Tye Fields could beat the caliber of fighter that was Bugner.

Posted November 6, 2012 7:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Wlad is not going to get beat by this guy who is not a World Class fighter…. We have seen Klits get cracked before by clowns before but this dude is a manufactured threat… His stature makes this look as if its a competitive matchup but his record and slow hands betray the fact his melon is simply gonna be a bigger than normal target for Klits right hand….

Posted November 6, 2012 6:10 pm 


Daly jr

LETS GET READY FOR A BOREFESSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Posted November 6, 2012 5:00 pm 


Anonymous

Tark…Bugner beat Page..Tillis..Foster..Cooper..and went 12 with somkin Joe.Fields got blown out in 80 seconds by Barret.Yes he lost a dec. to M.Frazier but W.K. lost to R.Purity things happen.Bugner is not elite by no means but could Fields beat who Bugner beat?Could Fields last 12rds with Joe Frazier?Ask Barret that question.

Posted November 6, 2012 1:34 pm 


Anonymous

All fighters have some fear going into the ring maybe it shows sometimes more then others.Jack Dempsey who lived a very hard hobo lifestyle at first.Who lived a life at first fighting in hobo camps living hard as nails..a life that most of us today could not face.But Dempsey himself said he had some fear before he fought hell he said that guy across the ring is trying to kill me…

Posted November 6, 2012 1:23 pm 


TARK

Right Pigman….. Cobb took about 30 years off his chin with that fight.. He said, “I’m amazed Holmes didn’t fall over from exhaustion from hitting me—that was my strategy BTW but that man is tireless.. Did I set a Guiness World Record tonight for catching?”

Posted November 6, 2012 1:07 pm 


TARK

bolo punch…. No I’m not kidding. Bugner was one of the easiest guys to punch in the face I’ve ever seen. Middleton said, “If I missed any punches it’s on me. He sure as hell didn’t duck any.” ..Obviously if you’re a big banger who can attack you get Fields out. Bugner wasn’t. Bug could absorb a punch, but he was so intimidated, even by chinless old guys who weighed 185, like 38-year-old Cooper. The Marvis Frazier fight said it all. Marvis had 9 fights and punched Bugner at will … Would Marvis have beaten Fields? Yeah.

Posted November 6, 2012 12:05 pm 


LennoxFan

This guy Wach is awesome! Anyone seen what he did to Kevin McBride inside of four rounds? That guy McBride beat Tyson!

Posted November 6, 2012 11:58 am 


K-2Fan

Wlad looks like a lion surveing his domain . Calm , eserved , but
looking explosive even while sitting down . I’m sure that Wach will
come to fight , but whatever he brings , will not be enough ! Let’s
hope for another great fight .
P.S. For you jokers , who sit at home and criticize Wlad ,without ever lacing up a pair of gloves , need to read Eddy Chambers’s opinion on this site about how good Wlad is . And he actually found that out FIRST HAND !

Posted November 6, 2012 11:04 am 


Mr Rubes

meh you sound very familiar but with a different name. Posts of a few words, and absolutely no substance whatsoever. An annoying little dog who is all “arf arf arf” but nothing behind it. So you will understand if I simply ignore your posts from now on. There is no point with little creatures like you. But as for your comment here. Look down the thread. Some people are saying categorically Wlad is nervous. I am saying categorically he is not. Those “some people” are saying also they are right and “everyone else” (who doesn’t agree) are wrong. Therefore there is no difference between myself and those others. Anyway, I’m quite sure you won’t even grasp that piece of logic. Good luck “meh”. With your ignorance and attention-seeking ways I have a feeling life will come down particularly hard on you. Anyway, you have the next life to make amends ;)

Posted November 6, 2012 10:55 am 


Mr Rubes

How Wlad “looks nervous” to anyone is beyond me. He looks totally sure of himself, in fact even more fired up to make his opponent hurt than I have seen from him perhaps ever. He looks like he can’t wait for Saturday to begin. Many people on this thread need to work on their people intelligence/intuition. I predict an early night for Wlad, under 5 rounds. Poissibly under 3

Posted November 6, 2012 9:43 am 


75houston

For late Steward Vladimir will tear Wach and that btch of a trainer De Leon apart, you can read this in his eyes. Stock up a beer and get ready, it will be an exciting fight!!!

Posted November 6, 2012 9:13 am 


Mo-Box

“I just hope Wlad don’t break his hand on that chin…” Bwhahaha, could be true.

Posted November 6, 2012 9:04 am 


75houston

Haye woulda KTFO that bug-ner bum and that bag ali on the same night. my diseased grandma hit harder than ali

Posted November 6, 2012 8:45 am 


bolo punch

Tark lol field beating bugner you kidding.
About quarry he may be a cruiser today but
it would’t prevent him to blast field in one round just
like jeff ford, monte barret, and mike perez. He just don’t
know how to deal with small fighter who throw many punches.

Posted November 6, 2012 8:23 am 


Dudadd

The K-bro’s are a great way to spend a Saturday night. The big Pole will be in for the fight of his life and WK will make it look easy. Again.

Posted November 6, 2012 7:55 am 


christov

This match up is interesting to me only because i think we’ll see Wlad go up a few gears and stop Wach with some brutal power punching.Due to Wach’s size and reach and what looks to be good power,Wlad knows he can’t just stick his left out tentatively like he did against Haye,and he knows due to Wach’s height he’ll get tired quicker than fighting a small guy,so i think we’ll see Wlad put some hurt on that chin of Wach’s fairly early on.I think Wlad will look more impressive and explosive than we’ve seen from him in a while.I just hope Wlad don’t break his hand on that chin…

Posted November 6, 2012 7:39 am 


Adrian

Wlad will knock this guy out fast but if he somehow can’t take this guy out Early wlad will be in serious trouble because since wach is tall it will make wlad work a lot more than he usually does and that way he could easily get tired and get in the Ross purity situation again and lose the fight mark my word!

Posted November 6, 2012 6:51 am 


Anonymous

Fields had Steward for 1 or 2 fights Steward had to know what a joke he was he didnt stay around.Bugner beat G.Page..J.Tillis..M.Foster..H.Cooper..and went 12 rds with Joe Frazier. Fields got killed in 80 seconds by Barrett…saying Fields would beat Bugner is like saying McBride would have beat Tyson in his prime maybe worse.

Posted November 6, 2012 4:15 am 


TARK

Fields is known…. Tye’s a Manny Steward protégé who built a 48-4 record going into the Wach fight, and beat Sherman Williams among others.. No chin.. But big, tall, 6′ 8″X260, and has a lot of heart.. Probably would beat punchless mannequin Joe Bugner, who even lost to Larry Middleton a guy even Duane Bobick beat.. Bugner also lost to Jock Bodell.. A guy Jerry Quarry KO’d in one round.. Quarry said, “Bodell is the worst fighter I ever fought.. When he threw a punch it came in slow motion and his elbow went flying out.. He was so wide open it was weird.. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.”

Posted November 6, 2012 3:55 am 


Anonymous

If you think Ali was a punching bag…and Haye would destroy him and you dont know who Bugner is.Well all I can say is do you watch boxing???

Posted November 6, 2012 3:54 am 


75houston

I think this fight will be very watchable. The beer is ready.

Posted November 6, 2012 3:52 am 


75houston

punchbag muhammad ali would be destroyed by David Haye. and who the fk is bug-ner?

Posted November 6, 2012 3:48 am 


Anonymous

Bugner would still flaten anyone Wach fought.Wach resume could be called the unknown soliders…

Posted November 6, 2012 3:29 am 


Anonymous

Bugner??? wow… Jim Murrey on Bugner.., “He makes his fight like a guy hiding under a bed. I don’t know why he wore gloves — I guess his hands were cold.”

Posted November 6, 2012 3:15 am 


Anonymous

My god Wach looks like a club fighter in the ring.His big wins are Fields and a washed up McBride(maybe McBride was always washed up)This guy fought no one and moves around the ring like he got a stick up his ass.This fight is no different then Ali vs Wepner except atleast Wepner was in the ring with Foreman..Liston..Bugner..Terall..before hand.

Posted November 6, 2012 3:00 am 


TARK

That’s it…. EPIX… You can watch it for free with your cable subscription.. In North San Diego County it’s channel 310.. Check your local listings.

Posted November 6, 2012 2:55 am 


MRBILL-HARDCORE XXX

Is this fight with W.K. against Wach gonna air live in the states on some outlet other than EPIX????

Posted November 6, 2012 2:42 am 


TARK

Wach seems to absorb punches well… Better than, lets say Chambers, Thompson, Mormeck, Chagaev, Rahman, Brewster, Brock, Austin, or the post Vitali Peter.. This is what could make the fight potentially interesting.. If the 8th round comes will Wach ponder, “All right, you’re proving to me that you’re a much more experienced and skilled boxer and you’ll win this if it goes 12.. But now let’s see who’s the better warrior—because I’m coming at you with everything I’ve got until one of us is knocked cold.” The kind of thing Corrie Sanders often did out of the gate. Because if you don’t throw you’ll never connect and will have zero chance against a more skilled fighter … Wach may roll the dice at some point — I’m hoping.

Posted November 6, 2012 1:32 am 


Anonymous

A decent sized contender for once. instead of his usual crusier food

Posted November 5, 2012 10:58 pm 


UJelly?

I can’t see Wach winning this… Wlad is just too fast and too powerful.
But at least it should be more interesting than most of Wlad’s recent fights coz it’s a fight where clinching would be more harmful than beneficial for him. So I expect (or am hoping) to see the awesome combination punching that Wlad showcased earlier in his career.

Posted November 5, 2012 10:14 pm 


Anonymous

Wach looks nervous. His upper body kept leaning back slightly during the face off. He didn’t wan’t to be in there. Wlad looks like a guy who is thinking ” I am looking at a man that when he washes his face, LOSES THE BAR OF SOAP!”

Posted November 5, 2012 8:54 pm 


Puglife

Steward’s absence could be a factor, but I don’t think the fact that Wach is taller worries Wlad too much. It is strange to see him looking up at an opponent in the face-off, but this is pro boxing and the bigger they are the harder they fall. Just ask Ty Fields.

Posted November 5, 2012 8:35 pm 


TARK

I guess I’m not seeing things.. Wladimir did look nervous to me too, and he has so much experience and skill he shouldn’t be nervous… Probably because Wach looks so rugged, big, tall, tough, strong, relaxed and confident. Right now Wach’s playing his psychological game on Wladimir like Sanders did. Get your opponent thinking, “Why the Hell is he so cool and collected? He’s never been beaten so he’s not showing me any respect. I’ve got to show him I’m Wladimir Klitschko. It’s not about being bigger and taller—I’ll show him right away that I’m the man.” Wach is trying to unsettle Vlad and knock him off stride emotionally … That game wouldn’t work with Vitali

Posted November 5, 2012 7:40 pm 


Alonzo

Can these guys speak American? Sheesh!

Just kiddin.

Posted November 5, 2012 7:23 pm 


LeftHook

I saw it too, Wlad is nervous

Posted November 5, 2012 7:06 pm 


vinniejones

Wlad is gonna rape Wach…

Posted November 5, 2012 5:41 pm 


Unbiased Dane

DG : lol Wlad avoiding tall fighters ?? such as Valuev :-D

Posted November 5, 2012 4:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Wach looks relaxed because he knows he is getting knocked out, the blow is lessened when you take it easy,,,,

Posted November 5, 2012 3:53 pm 


huckster

Wach looks pretty relaxed and confident. Hope for a really good fight. Go Wach.

Posted November 5, 2012 3:07 pm 


Anonymous

Wach will get wack Saturday.

Posted November 5, 2012 2:34 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

I believe Wlad will win.

Posted November 5, 2012 1:30 pm 


Mo-Box

From faceoff they look like opposte charges: positive vs negative. One’s smaller with a small chin, the other’s taller with a massive chin. Almost looks like a Korea flag :P Most of Wlad’s opponents seem to be nervous in the final press conference but Wach seems to be extremely calm, comfortible and with massive confidenence in him, and it looks like it’s Wlad who’s not nervous but a little hesitant this time (maybe bacause Steward’s missing?).

Wlad’s deffo the favourite in this fight, in fact he should be considering all the experience and the battle tested resume he brings on the table, but under the psychological circumstances Wlad currently has – who knows!?

Maybe not win but I sense Wach MAY do much better than lot of people think he will… Maybe even knock Wlad down once or twice.

In any case may the best man win!

Posted November 5, 2012 1:27 pm 



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