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Stanley Owens

@vieissimo. Same rules apply bro! To be the best u gotta beat the best! I refuse to hypothesise about something that can ONLY be proven in the ring. Try and conceptualise it as a vacant title which hasnt yet been claimed…
@Cutman. Good point but impossible to predict :)

Posted November 9, 2012 9:37 pm 


Cutman

@vielissimo. I think Moreno might have one fight left with GBP before his four-fight contract is finished so that might free things up for a Donaire or Rigo showdown. Time will tell!

Posted November 9, 2012 9:25 pm 


Vielissimo

@Stanley Owens – i agree again: Nonito still hasn’t proven that he’s the best there… or IMO, at least not yet. he’s definitely number 1 at 122 as of this moment, if we base it from divisional accomplishments. skill-wise, we’re talking a three-way contest (disregarding weight) between Nonito (boxer-puncher), Rigo (counter puncher) and Moreno (pure boxer)… i could include mares, but that’s doing an insult to the definition of ‘skill-wise’, LOL. however, do you actually see donaire fighting the winner of mares-moreno anytime soon? i mean, those two are with GBP… with rigondeaux, he’s under Top Rank but Donaire is asking him to build up his resume more… so i guess no one would have a concrete and non-debatable answer for your question of who’s gonna be the man @ 122 since Israel Vasquez (not Rafa Marquez, IMO their third fight was their last ‘real’ fight, ’cause the one after that, they’re not equals anymore as Vasquez was already a spent bullet that time).

Posted November 9, 2012 12:00 pm 


Stanley Owens

@ Viellisimo. I’m glad we’re agreed on that :)
I can understand why I confused you bro. Firstly, I should admit my bias and say that I’m a BIG Donaire fan and believe he’s a gifted fighter.
Secondly, I believe that “to be the best you have to beat the best”. That was the whole point of my article. Of course, Donaire is ranked by Ring as Champion at 122 so I’m not disputing that fact. I’m talking about my own perception and also posing the question to fans about what their perception is of Donaire at 122. Is he the best, has he proven it?
To do justice to these guys (donaire, rigo, moreno, mares) I cant call any one of them “the best” at 122 until they’ve proven it by fighting each other.
The alpha of the pack will reveal himself by beating the others into submission, that’s how it goes! Fights aren’t won on paper or in hypothetical articles! Not even the sacred Ring scrolls can predict destiny. A true champion is eager to dominate and willing to challenge. Hopefully we will see this happen soon… (I can’t wait to watch mares vs moreno… If I have time during this hectic weekend I will do another write-up.)
This is one of the true accomplishments in boxing… beating the best guys at a weight class and OWNING it, dominating it beyond a doubt.
Now I’m gonna reveal another bias: I believe Donaire can do it!

Posted November 9, 2012 9:10 am 


Vielissimo

@Stanley Owens – i somewhat agree with you, nonito needs to fight rigo or mares-moreno winner… but the same applies to rigo or mares-moreno winner… but that’s my point exactly: if they’re not fighting each other, then we compare with that what have you done lately approach, so that for the meantime we determine who’s number 1 @ 122. i think being THE man @ 122 and being number 1 is different, don’t you think? i believe nonito is the man, but i have this feeling that you think he’s NOT the man, but he’s number 1 @ 122, don’t you?

if nonito donaire isn’t THE man @ 122, then who is? again, if nonito isn’t, because of the logic of yours that he’s not fighting the best, then what do we say about the others? i mean, comparing their opponents, nonito’s fights @ 122 are the best among those fighters that challenge him as the best in that division. it’s like, they’re actually competing in a “if-we’re-not-fighting-then-who-has-beaten-the-better-opponents” type contest.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:49 am 


Anonymous

I would love to see donair fight Gary russell Jr. At a catch weight of 124 lb.

Posted November 8, 2012 11:07 pm 


Cutman

As for mayweather. He is cautious in the ring and outside of it. He’ll wait years until an opponent is vulnerable or exposed and then he steps in to fight. Basically hes a cherrypicker but thats not to deny his incredible skills. I think the pacman who beat hatton could have beaten mayweather at that time, but that window of opportunity has long since passed and if they fight now floyd will remain undefeated

Posted November 8, 2012 8:15 pm 


Cutman

Facts. Agreed, Boxtra is a fanboy who believed ‘experts’ when they told him nishioka was the best opponent at 122. And he still stands by the hype after a dull fight that was a walk in the park for donaire compared to his fight other fights at 122. No one else is still pretending nishioka was the best except for fanboy boxtra haha.

Posted November 8, 2012 8:10 pm 


Facts

Cutman,he’s a fan boy like many others all they care about is overrated irrelevant stats & mythical p4p rankings that don’t mean a thing cause they can’t or won’t ever fight each other.Floyd has a chance to fight an overrated former flyweight in pac which has been exposed 3x by Marquez & I think floyd can beat, if he grows some balls that is & stops bs $ excuses.Or the more dangerous Sergio p4p #2, top 3.He’s yet to fight one.Same for nonito, arum himself has said he wouldn’t be surprised if rigo beats him he knows & admits his fighter aren’t unbeatable just got to manage & guide them carefully before you cash them out.

Posted November 8, 2012 7:35 pm 


Boxtradamus

OH yeah….Sidorenko, Montiel, and Darchinyan agree with ME on that.

Posted November 8, 2012 6:00 pm 


Boxtradamus

Sometimes the BEST way not to get hurt is to not throw any punches. When you punch a hole opens UP. Nishioka is a VETERAN and he knows this that is why he didn’t want to punch. Because if Donaire exploits the hole that is opened UP then its going to be BAD for your HEALTH.

Posted November 8, 2012 5:59 pm 


PEEJ

Not everybody is Floyd and Leonard. He was not throwing punches, and when he did throw he did tend to land some but your not going to do anything only throwing a few punches a round. Until I see him in there with someone that will fight back like a Moreno, Mares or Rigo then he can’t be ranked the best. Its easy to find the guys that don’t want t fight and its easier to beat them, but its when the guys come to fight is when you can showcase your skills. I have yet to see that from Donair in the higher weight class

Posted November 8, 2012 5:06 pm 


Boxtradamus

Mbuyiseli-I take EXPERT opinion over AMATEUR opinion. And I also trust MY eyes more than anyone ELSES. It just SO happens that the EXPERTS agree with ME that Donaire is the BEST at 122. The EXPERTS tend to agree with ME alot. That’s why they’re almost as GOOD at picking Fights as I am while most AMATEURS aren’t even close….OH and I’m not GOOD at picking Fights I’m the GREATEST.

Posted November 8, 2012 3:30 pm 


Boxtradamus

PEEJ-Floyd already showed that time off between Fights is just a bunch of EXCUSES and Sugar Ray Leonard showed it TOO. Nishioka was smart not to come to Fight because he knew that he would end UP like Sidorenko, Montiel, and Darchinyan….The moment that he MANNED UP and tried to Fight he got knocked out. That’s what happens when you try to Fight someone who has more SKILLS and more FIREPOWER than YOU do……Sometimes you have to concede that you’re over matched and just try to limit the damage like Narvaez DID.

Posted November 8, 2012 3:14 pm 


Joe

Yes he is the best, behind Rigondeaux…Nonito knows that his money machine will stop to produce when he fights Rigo..He is not a coward, he just wants to make more money, and he knows that he will be destroyed by Rigo…

Posted November 8, 2012 2:13 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

All said & done, until he fights Rigo we’re not gonna 100% know. I know for a fact that Rigo & Gary Hyde want the fight, so what’s to stop it? Weneed to know who’s #1 in every division , not just @ 122Lb. Unification is the only thing that can save our noble sport. “1 World= 1 Champ”!

Posted November 8, 2012 7:41 am 


Bakie Longta

Of course Donaire is the best at 122 no doubt about it.

Posted November 8, 2012 4:24 am 


Tronman

Without a doubt!

Posted November 8, 2012 4:07 am 


Mbuyiseli

Boxtradummy whatever the media feeds you, you take it as gospel? Donaire’s last fight was suppose to be a showcase fight in the States. That was the only reason unfortunately for him Rios stole the lime light. How about Mathebula where was he ranked by your bible before he fought Donaire? Stick to fight predictions which you aint good at by the way

Posted November 8, 2012 2:27 am 


Mbuyiseli

El chapo how dirty is Cotto? Clottey, Mayweather, Judah all know too well how dirty Miguel is. How dirty was Ward against Froch and Chad? I bet you think the roughhousing by Hatton was cool though. B-Hop is a dirty fighter, very smart but dirty. When Chad bodyslammed him I giggled my ass off. Ward has faced better comp than Mayweather, Pacquaio, Martinez and Donaire. We just realised how good Ward after watching him maul Froch for 12 rounds. Froch couldn’t even win more than a round. Now everyone thinks Froch would beat Ward since he pummelled the bum from Canada.

Posted November 8, 2012 2:19 am 


Mbuyiseli

He can believe that he is the best but until he fights the best in that division that’s all it will be, faith = belief. As boxing fans we don’t care what your stable thinks/believe we want the “best” fighting the best that’s all. Didn’t that division have a tournament where the f… was he then? Now he fights mathebula and the noshiaka then he is the flavour of the month. Top Rank fighters are puppets or just hyped up boxers. Donaire fight someone with a pulse then you will get some respect from me simple as that. We all know you can’t fight the winner of this weekend then please fight Rigo and cut the excuses.

Posted November 8, 2012 2:10 am 


Boxtradamus

PEEJ-Floyd has already shown that time off is just a bunch of EXCUSES and Sugar Ray Leonard showed it TOO. Nishioka was smart not to come to Fight or he would end UP like Sidorenko, Montiel, or Darchinyan. Donaire has too much FIREPOWER at his weight along with SKILLS…..as soon as Nishioka MANNED UP he got knocked out. And that’s what will happen to everyone in the Division…Maybe other than Moreno.

Posted November 8, 2012 1:44 am 


REM

I like Nonito the kid is gifted but the situation with Mares and the Cuban dude looks bad.

Posted November 7, 2012 11:28 pm 


Anonymous

TWO TIMES OLIMPIC GOLD MEDALIST , TWO TIMES WORLD AMATWEUR CHAMP , 6 TIMES CUBAN NATIONAL CHAMP , PAN NAM , CENTROAMERICAN CHAMP , WBA INTERIM CHAMP IN HIS 7 FIGHT , WBA REGULAR CHAMP IN HIS 9 FIGHT , EL CHACAL RIGONDEAUX IS THE BEST 122 IN THE WORLD . WATCH HOW HE WILL DESTROY POONSAWAT AND THEN DONAIRE. THAT IS WHY DONAIRE IS DUCKING HIM…. DONAIRE KNOWS RIGO IS TO MUCH FOR HIM .

Posted November 7, 2012 11:19 pm 


PEEJ

Boxtra that japanese guy did not fight in 15 months and prior to that went 12 with a past his prime Marquez. I’m not saying he is not good but the guy did not come to fight. He was throwing between 5 to 10 punches a round. Yes Nonito beat him he was just a punching bag. I want to see Nonito fight someone that will fight back like Mares has been doing. All Nonito does is come up with excuses on why he won’t fight certain fighters but yet he fights unknowns, people who have not fought in over a year or folks that just want the paycheck

Posted November 7, 2012 8:33 pm 


rca

Nobody in the 122 lb. division can hang with Nonito at the present and in the near future -not Mares, Moreno or the over-hyped Rigo. The way Donaire devastated his latest opponents of late (breaking jaws, leave opponents twitching or looking for the ropes while running like a drunk in the ring) is unprecedented in the lower weights, Lately, he has shown that the KO power in his right hand is just as devastating as his left. This offensive arsenal is complemented by his proven chin and nobody in his weight range is faster. It is too bad that the business end of boxing is now more predominant than the physical aspect of the sport. I would like him to fight the impatient and thrash-talking Cuban now and shut him up for good. Nonito, aside from his awesome boxing skills, and like Manny, never talks thrash and is respectful towards his opponents and then destroys them in the ring. That is the way boxers should behave irrespective of your ranking in the sport.

Posted November 7, 2012 7:48 pm 


Boxtradamus

Nishioka was rated #1 in the division and Donaire BEAT him. Donaire IS the BEST at 122 and 5th rated Fighter in the ENTIRE Sport.

Posted November 7, 2012 6:37 pm 


Facts

No, You have to fight & beat the best at 122lb.He was too busy fighting smaller guys for most of his career & will continue to do so.Nobody competes with nonito?lol What is he a some god or something?I guess that makes the very predictable vasquez who tagged him all night a semi-god.What will mares,moreno,rigo do to him??Give him huge fits & then some.Nonita is shook.

Posted November 7, 2012 6:18 pm 


PEEJ

No he is not the best. As the comment posted below, you have to fight the best to be considered the best. Nonito has not done that. Mares resume is far more supreme than Nonito

Posted November 7, 2012 5:03 pm 


RealTalk

You have to beat the best to be the best! I think Nonito can be if he fights better people not has been Top Rank bums!

Posted November 7, 2012 4:02 pm 


Bill

Steve Molitor is the best fighter at 122lbs

Posted November 7, 2012 3:56 pm 


Anonymous

So far he has beaten one of Sthe Champs

Posted November 7, 2012 3:38 pm 


Boxtradamus

IS anyone at 122 rated higher than #5 P4P???? OK then.

Posted November 7, 2012 2:08 pm 


Stanley Owens

@ Vielisssimo. Thankyou for your question! I agree 100% that recently Donaire and Rigo hav been more active than moreno and mares at 122. Does this make Donaire ‘the man’ at 122? In my opinion no. He still needs to prove he’s the best by beating the best. Same principle applies to Rigo and Moreno. Imagine if Foreman, Ali and Frazier had never danced together… And instead we tried to speculate which fighters would win based on who had fought more times at heavyweight… see what im getting at? Luckily for us the history books (and YouTube) show us that they actually laced gloves and proved themselves in the ring instead of on a piece of paper :)

Posted November 7, 2012 1:39 pm 


Vielissimo

mr. author, if we go by your logic, then that means that Donaire IS the man in the 122-lb division. i mean, you go and say who has he beaten in the super bantamweights. well, let’s see the others: mares’ known victory over a credible opponent @ 122 lbs was, so far, eric morel (who’s also a career bantamweight, just like he is)… for anselmo moreno, you’ve gotta be kidding but this fight against Mares is his first fight @ 122 lbs, excluding his early career fights there.. so again, BANTAMWEIGHTS… what about rigondeaux? 11 fights at super bantamweights, yet his 4 credible victims (marroquin, kennedy, ramos, cordoba) are nowhere near wilfredo vasquez or mathebula or nishioka. again, this article of yours questions donaire’s fights @ 122 lbs. so i’m just talking “what have you done for me lately at 122″. so in contrast, only rigondeaux SO FAR can at least match or challenge donaire for his standing in the super bantamweight landscape. so this is my question: based on opponents @ super bantamweights, WHO’S THE MAN? i hope you don’t contradict yourself this time.

Posted November 7, 2012 1:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Donaire has to fight a couple of guys but there is not a single fighter in that class that competes with his speed, power, and athleticism…. He is like RJJ in the lower weight classes, leaping punches, lightning fast counters with power…. A veritable nightmare, when his last opponent opened up he got capped with the perceived weaker hand… Good luck beating this guy…

Posted November 7, 2012 12:53 pm 


Titopa

Of course he is!

Posted November 7, 2012 12:46 pm 


The Mad Scientist

I view Nonito more as the man to beat at 122 than the actual proven best, but I have to agree with those who would favor Donaire in a fight against the top doggs of the weight class..

Posted November 7, 2012 12:28 pm 


Beezy

It woul dbe a shame at 126 also, because Donaire and Mikey Garcia won’t fight each other either… so hopefully he gets something done at 122!!!

Posted November 7, 2012 12:05 pm 


Beezy

Out of the other fighters… you have to say Donaire…. maybe the winner of Mares/ Moreno could challenge that but for this second, it’s Donaire… but if he doesn’t fight Moreno/ Mares/ or Rigo next year.. not only would he be negatively viewed on as the best… but people would vastly label him as a duck or at least strip him of the honorary attributes fans have given him. He fought great opposition this year, but definitely did not fight THE BEST. If next year he can’ get it done against THE BEST, there would be no excuses excepted by fans, whether he says, ‘the guy still isn’t riped yet’ or ‘he’s with GBP’.. fans won’t accept it and it could affect how he’s viewed on a p4p basis and how he’s viewed as a gifted and talented warrior… if it wasn’t for PBF skills, he would have the same scrutiny (which he does).. so Donaire could face even worse being less proven than PBF and Pac at that….. If he gets by Arce, he should aim for the winner of Moreno/ Mares definitely…. no matter what Bob says.. but for now.. he says better victories at 122 than Rigo and Mares (who has had one fight thus far) and of course better than Moreno (who hasn’t even fought at the weight).. if Donaire moves up to 126 that would be an actual huge let down believe it or not, if he doesn’t compete against one of the mentioned fighters…

Posted November 7, 2012 12:03 pm 


Puglife

Until he fights and beats the winner of Mares-Moreno he’s just ‘one of’ the best at 122. It’s really that simple. And if the promotional beef between GBP and TR keeps that from happening then I guess we’ll never know. But I would favor him over anyone in the division.

Posted November 7, 2012 11:58 am 


Cutman

Moreno is the man to beat him if anyone can. Abner Mares is in for one helluva fight on saturday!

Posted November 7, 2012 11:23 am 


Cutman

Donaire would probly beat anyone at 122… But whether he will fight them is another question! We might neva know if he was really the best

Posted November 7, 2012 11:21 am 


te tumbo

IMO, Donaire has demonstrated the talent and skills to compete v. the best at 122lbs. a win over Arce isn’t going prove it but even Arce enjoys the advantage of being forewarned. nobody’s wondering about much less underestimating Donaire’s lethal punch. at this point, everyone Knows not to exchange v. Donaire. particularly not in the early rounds when he’s quick and lethal. nonetheless, until Donaire actually begins to consistently target and defeat the best, we’ll continue to wonder what he actually hopes to accomplish as a boxer.

Posted November 7, 2012 10:58 am 



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