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frank

Brian I agree with you. recently I have seen some europeans lose their title in fights that the europeans won.. and recieved bad bad decisions . But I dont think the froch ward fight was one of them . .theyonly advantage I see for ward in oakland is they let him get away with using his head as a third glove but honestly I belive ward would be uundefeated. no matter were he fought barring a bad decision. like I said before if you fight him in oakland and he head butts you butt him twice if he hits low return the faqvor

Posted November 22, 2012 12:42 am 


brian lee

Cant understand how people can say Dirrell dominated Froch.How do you dominate someone if you are going backwards for 12 rounds.And i know it must be scary for foreign fighters to come here after seeing so many crap decisions given against foreign fighters by our refs. In the UK & Europe the refs are usually from different countries.Not so here.Ward is an exellent if slightly dirty fighter.But until he ventures abroad i will only consider him a Nth American champ.

Posted November 21, 2012 2:24 pm 


frank

reading these posts it wasnt the fans who beat froch or the ref or the judges , in oakland it was ward . and to say otherwise makes you seem as biased as spedmond is when it comes to the klitchkos. honestly the guy hasnt lost a fight since he ten yrs old hes been in the olimpics now the pros . he just doesnt lose

Posted November 21, 2012 7:50 am 


frank

I am a frotch fan but I understand Wards point he beat froch pretty convincingly The only thing Frotch can do if he really wants to fight WArd. is keep winning against everyone elese which he is doing and looking pretty good. then after each fight call ward to give him a rematch . but honestly I dont think Frotch was that bad that night. its ward is just that good .same way I think dawson was weight drained but again ward was that good. And if your going to fight ward in oakland you know what there allowing ward to get away with if ward head butts you once you better head butt him twice . I think itis ward skills that makes every one elese look bad. If frotch can knock ward out in england he should be able to ko him in the usa which I dont think will happen

Posted November 21, 2012 7:41 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

AD.. I didn’t know Conte was in a band. lol

Posted November 19, 2012 6:33 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Anonymous.. was that comment of yours three posts below this one meant for me?

Posted November 19, 2012 5:14 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Thanks Bern. People think I just hate on Ward for the sake of it, that it’s just a case of sour grapes because he beat the Euros.That’s not the case at all though. There are numerous, very valid reasons why I dislike him, his snake in worm’s clothing trainer Hunter, and much of his fan base and it has nothing to do with sour grapes or jealousy on my part. Most of these Ward stans are either too bigoted or too thick to actually take on board the legitimate gripes that I and many others have about both him and the blatant hypocrisy and double standard surrounding him.

Posted November 19, 2012 5:12 pm 


Anonymous

BERN: Appreciate the kind words and I liked your comeback to my 1st comment: “Reality central”. Hope you won’t mind if I purloin that term for my own use, though I promise not to use it here @ ESB.

Posted November 19, 2012 4:02 pm 


AD

I don`t know why people keep hiring Conte, he`s just the mouth, he was one of the tw@ts in Tower of Power. It is actually Patrick Arnold who was the chemist who came up with the clear, and BALCO had other guys advising on training and nutrition.

Posted November 19, 2012 3:25 am 


Bern

@Gonzo the Dragonborn

Brilliant mate! You make some extremley valid points, I forgot all of this. I had these fears myself during the super 6 but kinda got lost in the hype a few months down the line…thanks for the reallity check.

Posted November 18, 2012 6:26 pm 


Anonymous

Gonzo – So what if ward has hired Conte to add his expertise to his conditioning routine? Where do you get off implying Ward isn’t clean. face it dude – Andre Ward has never tested positive for any drugs at any point in his boxing career – period.

Posted November 18, 2012 4:06 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Froch is an A level warrior, Ward is an A level coward. And that’s a fact by the way.

Posted November 18, 2012 2:06 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Pound for pound king? lmfao and some. lol. You boy is too scared to do once what every single other top fighter in the division has done numerous times, ie. put themselves at a major disadvantage by travelling to foreign shores to take on their opponent in their backyard where everything is stacked against them and the odds of them getting the win are greatly reduced. Your boy didn’t even deserve his place in the tournament from the start.. he was gifted it because he had the right passport and complexion. Not only that but got there he was the only fighter in the competition who afforded preferential treatment. Every other fighter who signed up from the start had to travel, some numerous times, whereas that pampered cheating coward had home advantage and American referees (and having home country refs for his fights is absolutely Huge advantage for an extremely dirty fighter like Ward who spends more time holding and fouling than he does fighting) for every single one of his fights in a tournament where the home fighter won every time out. He was also the only fighter who got awarded free points too lol. Not to mention the fact that he’s enlisted the most notorious supplier of illegal performance enhancing drugs in sport’s history to help him improve his performance too. And we all know how American fighters love their illegal PEDs, right? Sort of understandable why most of them are so reluctant to travel, eh? lol. Carl Froch: one fight at home, four away. Andre Ward: five fights at home, zero away. That’s all that needs to be said. What a bad-ass your boy is, eh? lol.

Posted November 18, 2012 1:58 pm 


Red Ryan

Why would any Froch fan wana see their hero getting another humbling schooling, Stay away from Ward he is the P4P King and will be for a long time. Froch is a B level fighter, B level fighters dont call the shots….. They certainly dont demand that the undisputed Champion comes to their little hick town……………

Posted November 18, 2012 1:22 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

I missed the final part of that article. Here it is: ”Now he’s bringing a butter knife to an Uzi fight. It’s one more freebie for Ward, who will coast into the tournament finals. (OH, and did we mention that even though Ward has to leave the cozy confines of Oakland, he’s still fighting in his home state of California against a foreigner?).. And if that wasn’t enough, nobody’s going to be coasting in the other semifinal, which pits Froch against Glen Johnson. That has the makings of a war, and whoever prevails will probably have something taken out of him along the way. Wouldn’t you know it, more good luck for Ward! He’ll enter the finals fresh after a glorified sparring session with Abraham while his opponent will be worn out like the Baggerific’s favorite (and only) pair of underwear… Yep, Andre Ward has gotten every imaginable break in this tournament. He’s the luckiest fighter in the Super Six, and it ain’t close… Oh and it’s probably worth mentioning in passing that he’s also the best fighter in the Super Six. But who wants to read about something as obvious as that?”

Posted November 18, 2012 12:04 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Read that and weep suckers. The guy is owning Ward almost as bad as yours truly. And as you all know I got mad skills.

Posted November 18, 2012 12:03 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

He’s an article from a highly respected US boxing scribe about the favouritism that Ward was shown from the outset of the Super Six: ”It’s the hidden subplot of Showtime’s ”Super Six” tournament , and the Baggalaureate is here to reveal it: Andre Ward, that S.O.G., is one lucky S.O.B. His tournament couldn’t be more charmed if he was a leprechaun chowing down on marshmallowy breakfast cereal. As the semifinals loom, Ward is the number-one seed and everybody’s pick to win. But nobody seems to realize that Ward has been loading his gloves – with a horseshoe. First, he got lucky when he drew Mikkel Kessler in the opening round. It was the perfect situation for Ward, as Kessler was a fighter on the slide but nobody knew about it yet. What we saw at the time was Ward beating the pre-tournament favourite and, thus, becoming the tournament favourite. But it’s now clear to see that Kessler hasn’t been the same since Joe Calzaghe deflated him like Freddy Krueger’s blow-up doll. Physically, he’s aged and mentally he hasn’t quite bounced back from losing the zero on his record. Hey, it was a good win for Ward, no doubt about that. But it was fortuitous timing in getting to Kessler before anybody else could that allowed Ward, the self-proclaimed product of the Lord’s loins , to get more credit for the win than he really deserved…. After that Ward got lucky when he had the privilege of fighting Super Six sub (as in ”substandard”) Allan Green, who deserved to be in the tournament like Kevin Federline deserves to be famous. Talk about a freebie. And despite the easy pickins, Ward couldn’t knock Green out the way Glen Johnson did a few months later… For his third-round tournament match, the freebie got freebie-er, as Ward was gifted with two points without even needing to fight. That’s because his old Olympic buddy Andre Dirrell got a mysterious headache, diagnosed by a nameless doctor, and Dirrell would be happy to tell you more but he can’t talk about it without a lawyer, a notary public , a bodyguard, seven wise men, and one of the Pep Boys present.. So Ward fought Sakio Bika instead in a non-tournament fight, and there’s nothing particularly lucky about sharing a ring with Bika, but the location of the fight was worth noting for luck-assessing purposes: the Oracle Arena in Oakland, California, Ward’s hometown. Hmm. That’s exactly where the Kessler and Green fights took place, come to think of it. Nobody else in the Super Six got more than one hometown fight, but somehow Ward has been granted three (well, two and an outside-the-tournament fight, but let’s not nitpick). And if you don’t think it gives you an advantage to fight in your hometown, ask judge Marty Sammon how in the hell he came up with a score of 120-108 in Ward’s favour for the Bika fight. The other two judges had it 118-110, and even those scores smelled a tad unfair to Bika… So that brings us to the present, but it isn’t the end of Ward getting luckier than Ricky Martin stumbling into the Blue Oyster bar on Leather Chaps Night. In the semifinals, Ward gets Arthur Abraham and his all time low point, demoralized after back-to-back loses to Dirrell and Carl Froch. Sure, Abraham was always a one-dimensional fighter, but, when that one dimension was supported by confidence, he was dangerous. Now he’s bringing a butter knife

Posted November 18, 2012 12:00 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

OK, let’s try and post part one again…. Hahaha.. Ward is without question the most nondescript and boring human being (and I use that term in the loosest possible sense) that I have ever suffered the gross misfortune to lay eyes upon (mine are a lovely shade of green by the way – I just thought I’d throw that bit of info out there for my ever so loyal and fanatical fan base). His feeble attempts at trying to come across as humorous and interesting are beyond nauseating and cringeworthy. He literally has the personality and charisma of a Belgian mannequin. Even the rest of the congregation down at his local church think he’s boring as hell, and trust me them guys are about as bland as sand on a beach even when they’re in full on party mode. His stupid baked bean shaped head looks like someone’s blown up a big yellow balloon and been set a challenge to draw the the most retarded possible face they can imagine on it. Those ridiculous mong eyes of his are completely soulless. Soulless like an insect or a dead fish. There’s literally not an ounce of personality or life in them at all. I’ve seen glass eyes with more soul in them than his have. Seriously.

Posted November 18, 2012 11:20 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

It’s completely pointless trying to engage in any kind of debate with these Ward stans. These scat freaks will defend the indefensible till they’re blue in the face. Hardly surprising they do so when you factor in that the vast majority of his fan base consists of the militant wing of the Nation of Islam and overly nationalistic flag-waving American simpletons (not a dig at all Americans by the way. I’m actually quite fond of our cousins across the pond, In fact, I have acquaintances who either know or have spoken to Americans before). The hypocrisy and double standards of these grotesque little reptiles is beyond sickening. It’s one rule for their fighters and one rule for everyone else

Posted November 18, 2012 10:01 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

”My comment is awaiting moderation”. lol. I didn’t even post the second part of it yet and I thought part one was tame in comparison to that one. How much you wanna bet the author doesn’t give it the all clear? lol. Oh well, let’s try and see if part two makes it through then? lol

Posted November 18, 2012 9:42 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Hahaha.. Ward is without question the most nondescript and boring human being (and I use that term in the loosest possible sense) that I’ve ever suffered the gross misfortune to lay eyes upon (mine are a lovely shade of green by the way – I just thought I’d throw that bit of info out there for my ever so loyal and fanatical fan base). His feeble attempts at trying to come across as humorous and interesting are beyond nauseating and cringeworthy. He literally has the personality and charisma of a Belgian mannequin. Even the rest of the congregation down at his local church think he’s as boring as hell, and trust me them guys are about as bland as sand on a beach even when they’re in full on party mode. His stupid baked bean shaped head looks like someone’s blown up a big yellow balloon and been set a challenge to draw the the most retarded possible face they can imagine on it. Those ridiculous mong eyes of his are completely soulless. Soulless like an insect or a dead fish. There’s literally not a ounce of personality or life in them at all. I’ve seen glass eyes with more soul in them than his have. Seriously. lol

Posted November 18, 2012 9:34 am 


Big joe turner

Although I agree that froch would never beat ward regardless of where the fight took place, I find the hypocrisy of some American fans to be quite unbelievable. Weren’t these same fans slating calzaghe (the king of the smw for some time) for not fighting in the states? Yet here they are harping on about how u need to take the belt from the champ in his back yard.

Posted November 18, 2012 9:16 am 


Anonymous

Why do people keep mentioning the Dirrell fight? Dirrell lost the fight because he hasnt got the heart of a fighter and running and spoiling is not the sign of a champ…if it was, I wouldn’t watch boxing! Anyway, where is he know? He was ruined his career chances and knowbody wants to fight him because of his dishonourable behaviour.
As for Ward, he can be one of the greatest fighters of all time. Even if Froch somehow KO’s him next time around…it only makes him the winner on the night but not the better boxer.

Posted November 18, 2012 8:35 am 


Anonymous

Personally i think Ward will beat Froch where ever they fight but Ward needs to travel to gain full respect…its just how it goes, i don’t see what the problem is!

Posted November 18, 2012 8:25 am 


Alonzo

So he picks Seth Mitchell–maybe he shoulda watched.

Posted November 18, 2012 7:54 am 


Anonymous

I think ward beats froch wherever they fight, BUT I think Froch has got a point and ward should come to the UK to fight him.

Posted November 18, 2012 7:01 am 


Anonymous

i think a lot of you have missed the point here including the writer, Froch challenged Ward to fight him in England, he didnt demand anything, he knows it would sell 30,000 to 40,000 in an open air stadium and would be a massive event over here.
Froch was well beaten and training wasnt perfect so thinks he can do better again, whats wrong with that.
As for why he should give the loser choice of venue for the rematch, Froch beat Bute and will fight him again in Canada coz he has NO FEAR, simple!
ALI didnt refuse to fight in the UK or anywhere else just because he was the champ because he had NO FEAR and was a proper WORLD champion!

Posted November 18, 2012 5:44 am 


Xelor

We all know….Ward would beat Froch even if they fight in Zimbawe, Mongolia, Tibet en even in Froch’s sleeping room. Fact is Ward is the better fighter. Froch is a good fither, but Ward is more complete!

Posted November 18, 2012 4:50 am 


Phonaire Has Ugly Wife

That’s the only chance Froch has is to lure Ward to Nottingham. He was given a gift in the Dirrell fight, Froch wants another one.

Posted November 18, 2012 2:22 am 


The Kingslayer

Even though Ward is the P4P King I still want to see him leave America and at least bring back some meaning to the word WORLD champion.

Posted November 18, 2012 2:10 am 


SREDMOND

The English judge had it the blowout it was face facts Carl Froch is old business.. Ward just destroyed Chad Dawson.. I am sure they will fight again (Froch) but Ward holds ALL the cards and he does not have to go to Froch’s backyard when Froch has been proven NOT to be on his level…

Posted November 18, 2012 12:30 am 


Puglife

Ward makes more fighting on HBO than he’d get paid fighting in England. It’s really that simple. He’d beat Froch again anyway, but if they both keep on winning a rematch is inevitable.

Posted November 17, 2012 10:25 pm 


TARK

A rematch is warranted because 2 judges had in 115-113.. Even if they’re morons.. Go to the UK and take your new stable mate Amir Khan with for the co-feature.. What could be better? … This stupid Froch-Mac fight was on PPV.. It could be your first PPV and fill a football stadium.. Be an Internationalist.. Boxing in Europe is hotter than Hell right not.

Posted November 17, 2012 10:10 pm 


REM

Ward should fight Froch in the U.K it would be big over there. I dont c much changing from the first fight so the danger is minimal and after Frochs performance against Bute hes established himself as the second best smw.

Posted November 17, 2012 9:37 pm 


AD

Honestly I think Ward would beat Froch wherever they fought. Ward doesn`t have any weaknesses, he has fundamentals as good as anyone around, and he is faster than Froch. I love Carl Froch as a fighter, and I think he is a great honest interview a lot of the time, but he has an idiosynchratic style, and Ward can neutralise it and suck the oxygen out of the fight. I don`t like watching Ward so much, since part of his gameplan is consistency and neutralising, but it is what it is and he is top of the tree at SMW with daylight second.
I wouldn`t say that Ward HAS to do anything other than keep fighting top opponents and dominating them, but I think it is a legitimate gripe that he was the only one in the S6 that didn`t have to travel. If he could pull in BIG gates then I`d see him having more reason not to do some travelling, but there are bigger audiences elswhere for him. If it were me looking back on a career I`d love to say I`d fought in MOntreal, Vegas, Madison square garden, Tokyo, LOndon, or any of the great European cities etc, rather than just Oakland.

Posted November 17, 2012 9:28 pm 


Anonymous

Froch is a very good fighter BUT Ward beats him every time they fight!

Posted November 17, 2012 9:17 pm 


Anonymous

But that is not in Carl Froch’s make up. He wants to fight the best and be tested no matter where that takes him. That’s why he’ll leave a good legacy. Ward would do his legacy a ”world” of good to go to Nottingham and take Froch’s title. It would also earn him a lot more respect from boxing fans around the world. That respect is priceless to titles.

Posted November 17, 2012 9:04 pm 


lefthook

Anonymous… I clearly read the tweet from Ward after the Froch fight asking if he should come to the uk and fight. Is this writer drunk or what??/?

Posted November 17, 2012 8:59 pm 


Anonymous

How about Tenerife?

Posted November 17, 2012 8:56 pm 


Anonymous

……and is still to use his passport, if indeed he has one.

Posted November 17, 2012 8:54 pm 


Anonymous

This ladies and gentleman is an example of how dumb our firends are on the other side of the Atlantic. An absolute classic this one! LMFAO.

Posted November 17, 2012 8:52 pm 


Wlad_God

Hey Ward,

At least Froch has fans, the only fans you have are Bullfighter fans from Spain since you are the king of headbutts and cheating.

Posted November 17, 2012 8:49 pm 


lefhook

Ward tweeted live on air on SKY SPORTS that he’d love to fight in England. So that kinda blows the storys that he aint intrested in Froch-Mack out the window?? dont it ??

Posted November 17, 2012 8:48 pm 


Anonymous

Did he get knocked out the first time? Get a clue

Posted November 17, 2012 8:19 pm 


Nelly

I think Ward wins every time. Really enjoy watching Froch; he really lays it all on the line. However, I do believe Forch needs to choose his remaining fights carefully. Kessler v Froch 2 would be a treat that I would happily pay for.

Posted November 17, 2012 8:19 pm 


Anonymous

He fought Froch in Atlantic City.

Posted November 17, 2012 8:17 pm 


SREDMOND

This onus on Ward going to England is bizarre in the extreme… The implication is that he ONLY beat Froch because of being in the US which is bogus… That also implies that Froch can’t win anywhere but the Nottingham? Had this been a close fight maybe there is an argument but Ward with a broken hand took Froch to school and had him questioning his future in the sport of boxing… Froch is in NO position to demand anything of Ward and I like Froch I think he is a tough well conditioned fighter…

Posted November 17, 2012 8:06 pm 


Patrick2

Froch, there are good fights out there for you –a rematch with Ward isn’t one of them. I appreciate your warrior spirit, but use it against Kessler — someone you could actually beat.

Posted November 17, 2012 7:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Typo=Froch only dominated Johnson and Abraham start to finish.

Posted November 17, 2012 7:40 pm 


The Prince

After the fight, I see why Ward didn’t care. Mack is a D class fighter. A walking punching bag. Froch would still get outclassed by Ward and Ward shouldn’t fight in the UK. Robbery in the making.

Posted November 17, 2012 7:28 pm 


LikeISeeIt

If Ward and Froch have a rematch, I don’t think it should be in England. Froch was given a gift decision against Dirrell and Dirrell dominated Froch. I think Froch hit behind the head repeatedly (if memory serves me) and the ref looked the other way. However, Oakland should be out of the question as well. Perhaps in Montreal or New York?

Posted November 17, 2012 6:51 pm 


SREDMOND

Ward totally dominated his opponents, he fought Froch in AC which is NOT his hometown, he was NOT even favored to win the tourney, Kessler was and what happened?? Ward beat up Kessler and Froch and Kessler fought to a standstill where Mikkel was given the nod.. Froch was losing to the likes of Jermaine Taylor until the last round when he dug deep and got a win, Froch got a somewhat controversial win over Dirrell in “Nottingham” reality is that Ward did BETTER against the BEST he faced and Froch only dominated Green and Abraham start to finish… Finding ways to put Kessler and Froch on par with Ward is futile, the ship has sailed, he won the tourney, he has remamined undefeated, he is Ring Champ, WBA, WBC, fighter of the Year for 2011 I believe…Froch and the rest better come like peasants and beg for another shot!!

Posted November 17, 2012 6:48 pm 


LikeISeeIt

This is a stay-busy fight for Froch. Froch should stop Mack inside of 9. As far as a rematch with Ward, I think it’s the next best fight after Ward – Dirrell. However, I think Froch might do a little better in a rematch but not enough to beat Ward.

Posted November 17, 2012 6:47 pm 


Anonymous

Ward fought every super six fight at home, all the other fighters had to travel, that is unfair and not right.

Posted November 17, 2012 6:34 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan to Mr. Boxtradamus

Thank you, Sir.

Posted November 17, 2012 6:25 pm 


Anonymous

Froch wants to fight Ward in the U.K. so that Ward can be ROBBED of his title…

Posted November 17, 2012 6:24 pm 


Boxtradamus

Brazilian Boxing Fan-Then YOU are CORRECT.

Posted November 17, 2012 6:05 pm 


buster Brown

Its funny how envious fux want to call the skillful Ward boring, because he abused Froch. They’re a pitiful pile of excuses.

Posted November 17, 2012 6:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Dawson called out Ward at 168, so either Ward was gonna move up or Dawson was gonna move down and somebody would have an excuse… Guess it had to be Chad because he got dismantled. It was NOT even close a STELLAR performance by Andre Ward who is cleaned house in the Super 6 and is creating a career that may go down as one of the best if he continues… I see Froch getting another beating from Ward if he(Froch) can keep winning…. One guy is Elite, one guy is just very good

Posted November 17, 2012 5:40 pm 


SREDMOND

Yeah everyone wants to watch Froch face Mack, a guy who got stopped by OLD ass Glen Johnson, I understand Froch taking a relatively soft touch as a lead up to the Bute rematch but lets not get excited Ward’s level of comp has been unreal, only exceeded by his performance against them..

Posted November 17, 2012 5:37 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan to Mr. Boxtradamus

I agree with you, Sir.

Posted November 17, 2012 5:36 pm 


Boxtradamus

By the way I’ll take Froch over Mack.

Posted November 17, 2012 5:26 pm 


Boxtradamus

Ward is the KING at 168 and his Castle is Oracle Arena. IF you want the Crown then come and TAKE it like a MAN. Excuses are FUTILE.

Posted November 17, 2012 5:25 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

I agree with everything Ward said.

Posted November 17, 2012 5:19 pm 


Anonymous

Dawson had to boil down to 168 to fight Ward,Ward always fights at home when there is no reason he should have to.

Posted November 17, 2012 5:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Yeah the air the UK is different it will allow Froch to win more than 3 rounds legitimately LOL… Froch has been talking bold AFTER he got some confidence back by smoking Bute prior to that he was meek, humble and talking about retiring… Only weak men make excuses about a CLEAR beatdown…

Posted November 17, 2012 5:04 pm 


Anonymous

Ward won’t fight Froch in UK,he knows he wil be knocked out, Ward wants all the advantages before he fights, take a leaf out of Bute’s book and every other fighter in the division.

Posted November 17, 2012 4:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Froch is Wards underling, he is not on his level and he can sit in Nottingham with a candle and a picture of Bute because he is not on Andres level… Ward is an elite fighter and Froch is just a very good fighter… The difference is bigger than it seems!

Posted November 17, 2012 4:55 pm 


Anonymous

he got well beaten the first time, never will froch beat ward, different class,

Posted November 17, 2012 4:53 pm 



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