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frank

the reason klitchko can go on after his ko loses and be a threat to having the most title defenses in the heavyweight division ever is because he is 6ft 6 is a good athlete had a great amature back round he won gold medal . And deciided to set up his punches with his jab the guy always had big skills not the greatest chin thou . When he decided to use his skills and protect his chin he has been unbeatable . Mitchell is a different story a good athlete who is pretty fast for a man 240 lbs mitchell started boxing at 25 yrs old. no amature back round . he is only 6ft 2 walk in sluggerfighter and now it looks as if he has a suspect chin . The guy seems like a smart guy who can punch some. He can be taught to move his head . jab his way way inside slipp punches better . grab when hurt . but the combanation of starting late and having a suspect chin kinda of rules him out as far as being a champion in my opion .

Posted November 22, 2012 10:53 pm 


adrian

sredmond,wlad wasnt an “old man” when he lost those three fights but was inexperienced boxer at the time but he was really changed as a boxer a lot by emanuel steward and he proved that , also lewis was ko`d by a single punch by a underdog mcall too, so whats your point? lewis improved more than wlad after the losses or what?if wlad would have lost to a better “era” or better compettition than today i would understand but wlad fought the smae guys like brewster or peter again and stoped them!!! you are the one who are picking points that suits you not me , you are saying here wlad lost to purity but never mention that that happen to lewis too and its not the end of the world! as for mitchell i said about him he simply have no tools to be the future of haveyweight before the banks fight and i can tell you he never will based on his poor boxing sklills and the style!

Posted November 22, 2012 10:12 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you are becoming increasingly incoherent might I suggest you refrain from blogging when you have been drinking moonshine with the town sheriff or constable?? Your last post made absolutely NO sense whatsoever again I know crossing swords with me is WAY beyond your pay grade and baseline intellectual capacity but try to do better than attempting to “rally the troops”…. I don’t need a consensus from few Klit lovers and Ali haters on a message board to understand the pulse of the larger world.. In your mind everyone is waiting for Wach to be the next best thing and they are lableing Ali as a “Turd” when NOTHING could be further from the truth… On planet Earth, Ali is an ICON, and Wach is soon to be a footnote on Wlads Boxrec profile.

Posted November 21, 2012 10:59 am 


SREDMOND

Adrian, who said that Wlad getting a win over Brewster does not help? or that losing means you cannot be respected as a fighter… BUT when viewed in context Wlad for a period of time was a SERIAL KO victim by the standards applicable to a prime time fighter… He got knocked out twice in 5 fights by boxers that were UNDERDOGS, and he was NOT an old man.. And YES Purrity stopped him, that is part of his record just like Mitchell got stopped by Banks and if he goes on to greater glory that will be part of his record, we cannot give guys a pardon simply because it suits us….

Posted November 21, 2012 10:51 am 


SREDMOND

Adrian, maybe you are having a difficult time interpeting my statements but I NEVER said that someone cannot “be good because they have lost” thats ridiculous because MOST fighters are not undefeated, but the losses must be kept in context… You saying that Purrity stopping Wlad was “inexperience” is convienent it HAPPENED and it is part of his record not something to be lifted from his record in order to create a more idealized view of his career… As for the “serial TKO victim” statement it stands because I cannot think of another prime time HW Champ who got drilled 2X in a 5 fight span by underdogs….Maybe you can? Wlad was NOT an old man when these hits were occuring…

Posted November 21, 2012 10:43 am 


Adrian

Sredmond, again if we go by your standards that if anyone losses a fight he is never good and won’t ever improve right? So we can also call Joe Louis a serial ko victim since he lost to schmeling the first so his revenge shouldn’t matter right? Because that’s what wlad did , revenge Brewster as for purity that wasn’t even a stoppage that was inexperience .. So your tko serial victim quote don’t prove anything when it comes to wlad , because if we call wlad like that than we would have to call Lewis , Louis , Ali , Holyfield , Tyson etc..Give me a break please!

Posted November 21, 2012 3:02 am 


BEARS

Pac, mayweather martinez, vitaly al on their way out son. If u didn’t know that u better ask someone

Posted November 20, 2012 7:22 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, as for boxing the ONLY division you can comment on is the LEAST respected in the sport today and LEAST interesting… You have almost no knowledge of other weight classes because you are NOT a boxing fan, you are a HW boxing fan of the last ERA or so ONLY… YOU really think that Wach and Co are serious fighters?? Thats a CLEAR sign you have not seen true skills at work… I NEVER hear you discuss anyone but Marquis fighters like Mayweather, Pac and Martinez and even then your narratives are VERY surface level… Its all good, but as we know HW plays 4th fiddle to the rest of boxing… HOLLA!

Posted November 20, 2012 3:04 pm 


SREDMOND

“Karma” as long as you are happy reveling in another mans health issues then I guess your life is complete? Not the traditional route to fulfillment and happiness but different strokes for different folks I guess… Alas Ali is still showing up at fights and being accorded MASSIVE respect as an ambassador of the sport, world icon, and de facto dignitary… If you you enjoy watching men deteriorate from Parkinson’s as you have OPENLY stated why not increase your pleasure by volunteering at a facility which specializes in this neurodegenerative disorder? Just a suggestion, I want you happy man :)

Posted November 20, 2012 12:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Ali NEVER claimed to be “a big puncher” and thats not how his business was conducted BUT whatever power he brought to the ring was sufficient to own stoppage wins over guys like Foreman, Liston and Frazier… The Klits are magnificent at stopping C level fighters but when you scan their resumes you will NOT find a SINGLE GREAT fighter they ever even beat let alone stopped in his tracks….Ali has been getting respect for 40 years, if he is a “myth” then you guys have had almost half a century to disprove the notion that he was a GREAT HW fighter… Almost universally ranked as #1 or #2…..

Posted November 20, 2012 12:08 pm 


SREDMOND

Adrian, the harkening back to Wlads 3 TKO losses was more of a reality check as it pertains to guys stamping HBO’s foray into the “Seth Mitchell” business as a total bust…Like I said the most successful HW of this era was a serial TKO victim and he had a very strong amateur background and was not facing overwhelming competition… If Mitchell never rebounds, OH well but it was still a reasonable bet by HBO that he could build a brand in the HW division…If every business decison was needed a 100% guarantee then NO ONE would ever get a shot in boxing… Mitchell might not work out but like the record business, he might have… Oh well time will tell…

Posted November 20, 2012 11:26 am 


Decker

@Ayu – spot on take on Ali. one of the more white washed (pardon the pun) athletes in US history – most likely the most.

@Tim – good analysis of how the old huys thought of Ali, and how it’s the same w/todays Sreds. Races just reversed !
Your more recent post is an accurate analysis of the Ali boxing myth. Ali himslef admitted that he wasn’t a big puncher in his era ! Today Ali would be a feather fisted HW, AND relatively small. Wouldn’t be able to win a trinkit at HW in this GLOBAL era.

Posted November 19, 2012 6:05 pm 


SREDMOND

Its funny I never hear all the puritanical, god fearing elements on this message board decry the deplorable conditions of the 1960’s? But Ali was out of order for fighting back and NOT engaging in a war he did not believe in? NOR did a HUGE percentage of the country….Ahhhh the day of the backwater, status quo types is rapidly coming to a screeching halt…Ask Mitt Romney…

Posted November 19, 2012 4:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Guys during other ERAS of HW History ie Ali were going to get additional focus because there were NOT 200 belts going around and the crown was not diluted our best equivalent today is unification ie Undisputed Champion….Back then when you asked who the HW Champion of the World was, there was ONE name and ratings agencies did not have sway…. I think Vitali Klits gets WAY too much credit, he is NOT the man he has NOT Unified, he is a single beltholder… His brother has captured MOST of the realestate and yet you fools really try to sell the older brother as his equivalent absent accomplishment in defiance of boxing tradition…Wheelchair accomodations for the Klits should they fight then the winner would truly be unquestioned in ThIS era

Posted November 19, 2012 3:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Tim, Ali did get hit at times, thats the reality of boxing…. Why do you laud Vitali for having a good chin if he NEVER got hit?? Most of that is based off Lewis who was chopping him up with jabs and right hands…Despite your dismissal of Ali’s defense he was NOT getting scorched in the ring by smaller, BUMS like Ross Purrity or a C plus level fighter like Corrie Sanders?? Remember Klits got stopped 2x in 5 fights as a young man you can act like this is a marker of Greatness but its really a STAIN despite his turnaround, if you are going to laud Wlad for coming back after his own brother told him to retire then how can we NOT respect Ali for overcoming his MUCH less serious setbacks… Wlad looked like a joke between his 40th and 45th fight, Sanders and Brewster then Sam Peter had him down 3x in fight # 48….Learn

Posted November 19, 2012 2:57 pm 


SREDMOND

I have seen PLENTY of Ali’s fights and the fact that he had some tough nights with some TOUGH fighters is part of the reason he is a legend…Wlad had tough nights TKO losses with relatively WEAK fighters… He NEVER had a GREAT or even GOOD night with a GREAT fighter… Viiali won 4 rounds off a GREAT fighter and got TKOed, Ali defeated 9 HOF fighters and knocked out Frazier, Foreman and Liston…It took a GREAT fighter when Ali was OLD to stop him…. The Klits are NOT even fighting the #2 man of the ERA and when the opportunity to show who was Boss came, Vitali got his face blown apart and needed a rematch, he QUIT against Byrd and his claim to fame is beating an unremarkable fighter like Sam Peter… Leonard is famous for facing a dangerous foe and having to dig deep to win, the Klits (Vit especially) face average comp mostly….

Posted November 19, 2012 2:53 pm 


SREDMOND

Tim, the OLD “they would be Cruisers today argument” is a sad ploy to redefine sports, Bill Russell was a CENTER even though he would be small today that cannot be taken away from him, and everything is relative…One thing that has not changed is SKILLS, and a Champions heart…. Holy fought in the modern era and he was a 4 time HW Champion and beat BETTER fighters than either Klit…He did 24 rounds with Lewis when Vitali could not do 7 …. He won the HW Championship 4x when todays scrubs cannot even beat a fellow contender or two…Your whole attempt to marginalize an ERA is based on Wlad and Vitali who were UNABLE to takeover till 7 years into their careers when guys from the 90’s who were NOT all Giants retired….

Posted November 19, 2012 2:48 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Boxtra, you have no cred here anymore lol, after all the hype you were talking about with Anselmo Moreno we all know u don’t know what ur talking about, Mares was a proven talent amatuer an pro an you were to dumb to see that.”-Rob you pebble brained NUMSKULL. My cred remains STRONG. Stop talking about OLD news. I’m talking about NEW news. The NEW news is Broner stopped Demarco just as I predicted!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted November 19, 2012 2:34 pm 


Bidzon

Sred – I am not going to insult you I am above it. Also, I will not discuss philosophical\political issues with you – I do not think (and I maybe wrong) you are qualified. Now, what price did Clay pay? Please educate me. I am just stating the facts: Clay is chicken – and it is a fact I do not really care how many presidents he met and etc, he is coward – because he failed the only, real “gut check” – and please do not tell me (about the pain he suffered in the ring). That is all I am saying. And one more thing it is wrong to call a war where yours, Sred, countrymen died, – silly.

Posted November 19, 2012 1:50 pm 


SREDMOND

“His country needed him” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! The silly rants of some 65 YEAR OLD Dude who still thinks this is Cowboys and Indians, and that John Wayne is the man…:)

Posted November 19, 2012 1:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Bizdon, you sound like a MINDLESS conservative who just blindly follows church and country… Thankfully your sort are dying off in DROVES…. Ali choose to take a stand and he paid the price, if everyone blindly followed government mandates then the US would NEVER exist as a standalone country and Superpower….Ali is FAR from a “Chicken” he has met with MORE US Presidents than MOST US Presidents have, he is honored year after year and to their credit even the Klits pay homage to the GREAT Ali on his 70th birthday (Check youtube) guess they are victims of propaganda?? He has a Museum that has hundreds of thousands of viewers annually…. He was vindicated the US Government was not and to this day that SILLY war is a sore spot in this country just like Iraq is for the now invisible and despised George “Dubya” Bush..Holla!!

Posted November 19, 2012 1:36 pm 


SREDMOND

Why would HBO invest in a foreign fighter who was facing NO ONE, was not fighting on American shores nor capable of building a fanbase in this country? Use your meager brain anonymous this is BUSINESS…. The non US fighters that get HBO contracts move to the states or fight here Pac Man, Khan, Hatton, Martinez if he can build a following, even Adamek fights out of Jersey and does well in AC (Atlantic City) during fights… There is NOT a dime to be made on a guy like Wach, stateside…. The Klits are not even viable PPV entities why would you invest in a 5th tier foreign fighter like Wach? Bad business, I am happy to educate.

Posted November 19, 2012 1:02 pm 


Bidzon

Well, SRED, – C. Clay was coward. I know quite a few guys who had issues “against a HUGELY unpopular war” and yet when they country called them they went and serve, and they bleed, because they were real, you hear that REAL men. Clay chickened out – I do not give a flying you know what about what he accomplished in the ring – I have no respect for the chickens. Now, “MOST famous Athlete in history BAR NONE” – brain wash and lots of it and BIASED PR worked. “lighting the Olympic torch” – and so what???? Yes Clay was HW champ in limited era and he will be remembered for that but do not doubt that Clay will always be remembered as CHICKEN who ran for the hills when his country needed him, this “fighter” (which he was not) choose to “lose 3 years of his prime” instead of go and bleed with his countrymen.

Posted November 19, 2012 12:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Adrian, I am very leery of who guys look “skillful against” and like I said you are being a Monday morning Quarterback no one said that Mitchell was the next coming but he booked solid wins for a prospect against Ibragimov and Witherspoon via stoppage… Who has Price, Wilder and the rest beat?? Ibragimov is a guy who had been in with World Class comp and was NEVER stopped whereas the rest of these guys own no wins over a guy like that via stoppage…??? Helenius beat Brewster, Peter and Sergei all guys that had absorbed bad beatings and were well on the downside… Reality is that Mitchell is indicative of an era of unvetted HW’s who are basing their futures on the Olympics and amateurs when they are pushing 30… AGAIN by the time he was 30 years old Wlad Klits had been mashed out 3x, so losing is not without precedent in boxing…

Posted November 19, 2012 12:51 pm 


SREDMOND

Wach is a relative bum compared to ranked contenders and higher level athletes and the reality is that he has NEVER beat a fighter of the slightest NOTE…AGAIN you claim that I said “Mitchell was the top guy out there” where is the proof of this assertion? I definitely said I think he can handle Wach and I stand by that…Banks coming from Cruiser had the quickness and craft to catch Seth lunging and never let him regain his bearings… Wach is beyond slow and cannot even get off against the faster Mitchell again all theories have to be tested in the ring but a loss to Banks via upset does not change my mind on Wach in the slightest he is pretty terrible and shows almost no potential as a top flight boxer… Mitchells fate might be B level but after 5 years in boxing I am more impressed with his development than Wachs,,, AGAIN Wlad TKO 3x

Posted November 19, 2012 12:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Interesting that you seem to think that the “Powers that be” were aligned behind Ali as per usual that is an interested SKEW of the facts… EVERY objector did NOT go to jail and Ali was one of them hence the term and caveat “conscientious objector” the notion that he was rewarded by losing 3 years of his prime as an athlete is an absurdity and ravings of a guy who wants to turn a NET negative into a positive for Ali… But much to the chagrin of his detractors and the US Gov, he returned to action, reclaimed his titles and went on to even greater glory and ultimately total vindication for his stance against a HUGELY unpopular war… You take on history does NOT change it, Ali was an old man destroyed by Parkinsons still being revered worldwide and lighting the Olympic torch…He is literally the MOST famous Athlete in history BAR NONE…:)

Posted November 19, 2012 12:37 pm 


Ayu

The ‘Greatest myth’ was a success story only because the ‘powers that be’ allowed it to happen or better made it happen. The facts speak for themselves, why did Ali avoid prison when a host of objectors to the draft ended doing time in prison but Ali did not. Like so much of this boxers career a great deal is fashioned to make him appear bigger than life because behind it was an agenda, this agenda had more to do with creating a hero for certain groups and a lot less to do with so-called epic battles. Ali had ‘epic battles’ because he was not the greatest but he was often taken to the limit. He was made to look bad in the ring again and again with his record bloated with wins over nobodies and non-entities while epic battles occurred every time he had to face the above average contender. As a stooge for the system Ali was given a modicum of fame and a lot of cash for his part in the service of Big Brother. The Ali myth is as phoney as a three dollar bill.

Posted November 19, 2012 12:23 pm 


Adrian

And yes you are right a this guys you mentioned like price , Abduls. Wilder didn’t beat anyone yet BUT all these guys showed us so far that they all have way much more skills than mitchell who he was untested and had nothing special In him yet you were mentioning him as a best prospect just as hbo and American ranking did , it is realy sad to see this obvious bias going on here …:

Posted November 19, 2012 11:50 am 


Adrian

Sredmond — you said wach was a bum and you mention mitchell as an example how he would ko him and I am not fabricating and actualy I don’t care if you admit because if you don’t admit what you have said than there is no need for me to argue with me because I know where you stand but again my point is you claimed wach was so bad that he was untested and was a bum and mention Mitchell to be the real one like he is the one who is a real deal against klitchko… And I can tell you one thing that I am telling you that that bum wach the you call him will beat the shot out of Mitchell if they ever fight … So all this tells us something and that is klitchko is a unik and a very special heavyweight and I started getting convinced that all your post are just to try and dimish klitchko as a fighter and really is sad and I hope that’s not the case and I am wrong because I know based on your other post about other weight division fighters are realty fun to read and interesting!

Posted November 19, 2012 11:41 am 


wTF???!

Broner should go after all Hype Dumb Dumb Rios and give us all another fun filled night of watching a Chihuahua get his ASS Beaten from pillar to post.. Great night of Boxing.. Thanks to the Brother..

Posted November 19, 2012 11:19 am 


SREDMOND

Ayu, your take on Ali is WEAK alot of guys make big boasts in the ring and they are NEITHER rewarded with fame, fortune or Ali’s accomplishments in the ring… He became a Global phenom without the benefit of cable, internet, blogs, webcasts, facebook, twitter, pintrest, instagram, smart phones or webcams… These ponderous HW’s cannot create major brands with the benefit of ALL that digital media available… Ali is famous because losses to other Great fighters did not douse or quell his spirit… He was a 3 time lineal Champion and had epic battles in the age of ONE Champion and 15 round fights…. These days you need a Congressional committee to figure out who is the Champion… Povetkin has a belt, hell even Mitchell was fighting for the NABO or some nonsense…We all know Wlad is the man at this point and time…

Posted November 19, 2012 11:14 am 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, the idea that YOU thought Banks would win does NOT mitigate the reality this was an upset… Oddsmakers and most experts thought Mitchell would prevail which he obviously did NOT… Good on Banks he seems like a nice guy, hopefully he can parlay this into some money…

Posted November 19, 2012 10:23 am 


Hidalgo

“This was an upset, ” To some people, SRedmond. I doubted Mitchell had a chance to beat banks before the fight even started because I thought Mitchell was facing too much experience. That proved to be true.

Posted November 19, 2012 9:28 am 


Hidalgo

“Frazier was a short, fat, walk-in slugger who got hit with everything” Tark, you need to go back and watch some old clips of Frazier. One thing he was not was fat. The guy was a brick. He didn’t get “hit with everything” either. Joe was a very active mover who possessed a very unorthodox defensive style which was often very effective.

Posted November 19, 2012 9:23 am 


SREDMOND

Adrian, you claim that you can spot a “versatile prospect” like who? Wach??? Mago, Pulev (who is at least seeking whatever decent comp there is) seriously you are Monday morning Quarterbacking because Mitchell got clipped… The dude goes to the body, he punches hard, he has good size and he shows up in shape….There was reason to be interested, he started 5 years ago and looked better than ALOT of guys operating today at HW…. OK he absorbed a quick KO which may prove to be the end if he cannot rebound, but if you cannot produce a betting slip showing you have 50,000 on Banks then you are just talking shiiiiiiiite postfight…. This was an upset, they happened to Lewis and Wlad, I am willing to see if he can learn about being too aggessive and lunging…

Posted November 19, 2012 9:08 am 


SREDMOND

Adrien, please show me a SINGLE post where I say that “Mitchell is the best prospect today” I simply gave him the NOD over a guy like Wach if they ever fought and I am still pretty comfortable with that stance… Banks caught him out there because he had the handspeed to counter Mitchell lunging in while being overaggressive… I could like a cigar and smoke half of it in between Wachs punches… but again you have put forth the idea that I said “Mitchell is the best prospect out there”….. Please provide me that post? and no fabrications please… Unlike you guys I am NOT very high on most of these HW’s they are ponderous, and mostly just big devoid of skill and actual vetting in the ring….ie Price, Mago, Boystov…. You have Povetkin almost losing to a Cruiser on his first trip to the weight… Sad times for HW everyone knows it….

Posted November 19, 2012 9:00 am 


SREDMOND

Really?? You know “GREAT” skills? that is why Helenius, and Magomed are being touted by alot of you fools? get real these guys are NOT the creme de la creme… There is a TON of Monday Morning Quarterbacking going on as it pertains to Mitchell…. His lack of amateur pedigree makes him getting knocked out alot more plausible than our current HW Champion Wlad Klits who was getting slaughtered once every 15 fights on average for his first 45 bouts…So Mitchell got caught and maybe he will get caught again… So what? If he proves to be a C level fighter, OH well MOST of these untested fighters are Wilder, Price, Helenius, Abdulasamov, Rodriguez…. These guys have NOT really beat ANY solid, prime comp… Thats a fact boys!

Posted November 19, 2012 8:45 am 


SREDMOND

Ayu, your assertion is ridiculous there have been a TON of boxers making over the top proclamations and NONE of them attained fame and fortune because they could not back it up… Being a 3 time lineal Champ, participant in epic fights and deposer of numerous HOF opponents coupled with charisma and a strong will made Ali who he is… AND he did all this BEFORE the advent of internet, cable TV, smartphones, blogging, facebook and twitter… Most of these dull boxers cannot build a following during an age where information flows at the speed of light and there are innumerable outlets for those who have something solid to promote…. The lower weight classes are getting all the attention because they have MORE skillful fighters, bigger persona’s and better fights… Adrien Broner just put on a clinic at 23, whereas alot of these HW’s are dull!

Posted November 19, 2012 8:41 am 


Adrian

Typo I meant * “by all means they were never the future”

Posted November 19, 2012 1:09 am 


Adrian

Those who know boxing a litle bit and are not biased against race and nationality can recognize a boxing prospect right away they don’t need someone to tell them how good a certain fighter is or a boxer don’t need to have “buzz” to prove he is a prospect in the eyes of boxing fan who knows what boxing is , they look for boxing skills a good amateur record (if there is one but is important) a versatile fighter in general, after all those attribute to be sure he is a real deal finally we need to test them in the ring with dangerous opponent and than we can call them the “future ” but by no means the likes of Mitchell or areola etc.. They are good but by no means they were never the future but hbo and some fans sadly claimed that!

Posted November 19, 2012 1:05 am 


Adrian

@sredmond.. I don’t care about the money but I just pointed it out to you that mitchell wasn’t the best prospect in havey today because you did say he is the best the otherday and said that wach has no chance if he fight the best like Mitchell …. Now I really didn’t understand why you thought he is the best prospect in heavyweight today ? When Mitchell really didn’t show us anything special prior to the banks fight exept his muscles and his “life story”…
We might as well find out that wach wasn’t a complete bum after all if he fight this “young prospects” !

Posted November 19, 2012 12:43 am 


TARK

Sred…., The Klitschko Bros are highly respected in Europe—since they’re not Americans… Americans pooh-pooh them, but they sell out soccer stadiums and other venues where they fight… Many Europeans believe they’re the best ever.

Ali was a good boxer, but neither his defense nor his offense matched that of the Klitschko Bros… What is seen in Ali’s biggest grossing fights with Foreman, Frazier, and Norton is the lack of technical expertise and boxing mastery of Ali and his opponents… Foreman looked like a wild swinging amateur who ate jabs… Frazier was a short, fat, walk-in slugger who got hit with everything… Norton couldn’t move or box fluidly and was often knocked stiff by big punchers… Ali ate jabs, hooks, and swings … and is suffering.

Posted November 19, 2012 12:06 am 


Decker

Sred,
Ali and Co’s legacies are from the 60s/70s. Try to stay currrent !
They could not compete against current top HWs – no matter how much you wish it were true.

Posted November 18, 2012 11:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, its funny you write Mitchell off when he has 2 less knockouts on his record than Wlad Klits and don’t act like an underdog was NOT capable of getting Wlad because 3 of them did by the time he was 45 fights into his career!!! LOL At least Mitchell had made it to HBO before he got his wings clipped for the first time… DAMN Seth Mitchell a guy who was playing football 6 years ago had multiple stints on HBO and the relatively BORING Klits could not get top billing and they are the HW Champions… Goes to show you how well the US has been received them…. Like I said this ERA is crusty, and has NOT produced one Superfight worth a damn… Ohhhh I forgot Wlad vs Wach!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa!

Posted November 18, 2012 11:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Decker, you can try to revise history BUT it already happened Ali is immortalized and his reputation is respected by the Klits as well (check the video) meanwhile you guys are trying to clap for unaccomplished boxers like Boystov, Dimentrenko and Povetkin (who is still chasing relics like Rahman and Cedric Boswell)…. David Haye has more buzz than ANY other fighter at HW besides a Klit and he has UNDER 10 fights at HW…Its that easy in this day and age due to the desperation and WEAKNESS of the ERA….. If thats the end of Mitchell, who really cares?? Write him off if you will but AGAIN it just underscores how weak the division…Skilless boxers like Mago, and that monument to pituitary disorder Wach are passed off as talent?? GTFOH… Ali and Co’s legacies are in NO danger from these unproven mopes…

Posted November 18, 2012 11:23 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, YOU are the guy that called Mitchell one part of a “SWEET era” who cares if a prospect got clipped? I am just calling it like I see it, maybe he rebounds maybe not but the HARD reality of the absence of REAL talent at HW is a major concern…AGAIN you guys think EVERY fighter who is over 6″4 is going to be GREAT or has real skills beyond just being VERY big, possibly heavy handed and basic…. There is NOT a single fighter outside the Klits that has shown the tendency to dominate for any duration… Arreola, Wach, Thompson all guys beating C level fighters and being sold a threat… Helenius was all the hype till Chisora a relatively crude fighter dusted him and then he looke terrible against a BLOATED 40 year old Sherman Williams… You have NOT clue what skills look like anymore, thats why these OAFS of today impress you…

Posted November 18, 2012 11:19 pm 


Decker

Many of Ali’s and other fighters bouts from bygone eras were also awful. Do we talk about Ali vs Lubbers (196#), Coopman & Dun (206#), Evangelista (UD!), or 2xCW Spinks even now? LOL
At Fraziers peak he was a very small HW by todays standards and most of his wins were vs CWs or small HWs. Joe would be blasted out of the ring by MANY HWs today. Yet who do we mainly remember Ali by? His life and death trilogy w/JF.

Re your claim that “nobody” will be talking about this eras HWs is pure BS and your way of disparaging the current HWs. They might not in the US, but they will be talked about in Europe & the rest of the world. The US is not the center of the world anymore.

Posted November 18, 2012 11:15 pm 


Decker

BEARS makes a point I’ve been making for YEARS… maybe he has too.

The boxing game, and esp. HW comp is GLOBAL. An entire area of the world that has big, athletic men started opening up 20 some years ago. In *less* than a generation they have dominated HW boxing. Some just can’t accept that fact (for mainly racial or national reasons).

The 70s and other eras had competitive fights. But you could almost look at that era as regional+ or semi global. Also most HWs of that era would be CWs or small HWs today.

Sred, fuhgetaboutit. You know boxing history, but your sentimental, biased lenses get in your way of being a top amateur analyst.

Posted November 18, 2012 10:15 pm 


BEARS

Wow 4 paragraphs of response? Lol. That’s quite the reaction……your mind must be burning with the demise of one hope seth mitchel. Sredmond hoped SOOOOOO much…….he is so hurt now. Hurt and lashing out on the message boards. The board senses your mental anguish with your 4 post come apart and mental disinegration. What show. Its themental demise of sredmond accompanying the demise of seth mitchel!!! Two demises for the price of one! Do people really read sredmond posts these days? Lol

Posted November 18, 2012 9:26 pm 


BEARS

This era is sweet and storied……..the rise of some fighters to levels of greatness unknown like slaying the records of the 60s and 70s fighters. How could the era be sweet without high’s and low low’s. Seth mitchel is that low low. The big bust. I’m sure hbo and goldon boy feel that way and I think mitchels laughable demise helps to “enrich” the story of the heavyweight division. Boxing is much like a long story with the whole compass of emotions. I find “mitchels demise” ammusing and humorous while peole like hbo, goldonboy, and sredmond find it sad and hard to choke down

Posted November 18, 2012 9:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, below you say that “Mitchell helps make this era sweet” THEN you want to get really worked up because GoldenBoy and HBO backed him as a fighter?? You want to pretend he showed no promise in one post then call him “part of what makes the era sweet” in another… Make up your mind underling, correcting your dichotomous thinking has become a pastime of mine on this message board… You were all over Mitchell BEFORE he got stopped now you are being a Monday Morning Quarterback with NO balls…. AGAIN, this ERA is forgettable absent the Klits the rest of these fighters are barely doing anything… The legit # 3 is fighting a declining level of competition… I mean Hasim Rahman?? Thats why you guys gotta give Pulev a reach around for actually trying to fight some name opponents when this should be the reg!

Posted November 18, 2012 8:29 pm 


SREDMOND

BEARS CONTRADICTING HIMSELF………..BEARS….BEARS

Whoa,sredmond is in serious excuse mode. This era of heavyweights is awesome. Sredmond who cares about the big hope seth mitchel crashing down? He is one of many that make this era sweet.

Posted November 18, 2012 8:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, what excuse am I making?? YOU are the guy who was touting Mitchell as part of a “GREAT ERA” of HW’s.. The minute a prospect loses you suddenly pretend you NEVER thought he had any promise? AGAIN this ERA cannot be passed off as strong with all these unheralded fighters, the reason you have a list of names a mile long is because the BEST have not fought it out and build real reputations… As a consequence you are forced to hype the “Wachs” of the World or David Price who is 29 and has NEVER beat anyone better than Audley Harrison…. The reality is that you clowns are looking for the next Klitschko clone and they do not exist in this present group of HW’s… The ONLY dominant HW’s with a track record operating today are Wlad and Vitali the rest are largely unproven… Abdulasamov beating Bynum?? HaHaHaHa!!

Posted November 18, 2012 8:23 pm 


SREDMOND

Love the Sport, its either get in early or don’t get in at ALL, Top Rank and GoldenBoy passed on Sergio Martinez and now he is with either Shaw or Dibella… You seem to want to mitigate risk to an extreme and thats just NOT going to happen.. Mitchell was put in with a fighter he was supposed to be able to beat and he got taken out… Alas that does NOT make HBO stupid nor the promoters he is simply someone who may or may NOT work out…Its a business and that is incorporated into the scenario… Besides if they don’t have a problem backing a fighter why do you?? Clearly they want to find the next cash cow because the current crop of fighters have NO PPV value, it takes time for a guy to gain a fanbase and how the hell is he going to do that in a niche sport absent widespread exposure?? Friday Night fights ain’t cutting it so it is what it is!!

Posted November 18, 2012 8:18 pm 


BEARS

Whoa,sredmond is in serious excuse mode. This era of heavyweights is awesome. Sredmond who cares about the big hope seth mitchel crashing down? He is one of many that make this era sweet. Guys will rise and guys will fall and seth has fallen, and he won’t get up. I am writing seth mitchel off at this time and there is a Huge BEARS seal of approval on that statement. Sredmond a common klitschko detractor has a lead line he employs to detract from the klitschkos “which hof fighter have thet beat?” One must ask which eastern block champs did hof fighters of past era’s beat? We know ali got worked by an eastern bloc cat in the ameteurs the only eastern block guy he fought floored him and boxed his socs off. Your talking local contests when u talk “past greats and past era’s” nowadays its a global game. So if past era’s did fight not even global fights, not even eastern block fighters, I ask how can we know how great they really were?

Posted November 18, 2012 7:32 pm 


Love-the-Sport

sredmond is confused. I think seth mitchell is an exciting fighter in the 2nd tier of fighters. He is not an elite fighter. The problem is that boxing does not really have a 2nd tier — WHICH IS MY POINT SREDMOND !!! — the big money is in hbo and showtime but they are not going to waste money on 2nd tier fighters. The 2nd tier of fighters could create great actions fights against other 2nd tier fighters if there were venues and television dollars that could make it work. But that does not exist in the US. I think Seth Mitchell could be brought up more slowly. But Golden Boy has got to get a return on their money so they put him on HBO against a cruiserweight and he goes down in the 2nd round. This would not happen if there were a “minor leagues” of boxing. The promoters are going to continue lose money on their prospects.

Posted November 18, 2012 6:57 pm 


SREDMOND

HW’s period are a SAD and forgotten LOT my friend…Its a division that has receded into the background hiding a division behind the success of 2 fighters is not gonna work.. Most experts agree this is a DARK age for HW….!

Posted November 18, 2012 6:09 pm 


SREDMOND

At the end of the day Mitchell is an aggressive fighter what MOST of these guys are, C level fighters or worse.. That said Mitchell goes to the body, he has decent speed and he can punch, Maybe he ends up like Travis Walker and he got caught, maybe he will learn something and adjust or maybe not….HBO tried to get behind Arreola and he has not really even tried to step up since losing to Adamek… Arreola has been around longer but he has wins basically over the SAME level of opponent as Mitchell…What top 10 fighter has Arreola beat? My point is that optimism on Mitchell making some noise was not misplaced, he just lost badly which can happen at anytime when HW’s are in the ring this will either end in triumph or tragedy…

Posted November 18, 2012 4:48 pm 


Loosecannon

People are being to hard on Mitchell , look at it this way he has only been Boxing 4-5 years and is coming from another sport. He is trying something and has in fact made a lot of noise because everyone has been talking about him. Its not his fault HBO & GBP etc has been building him up. They choose to cause they must see something special in him. He will learn from this he just need not rush into anything and let people force him into anything either. Banks has shown him respect because he knew what he was going in there with still a very Raw but dangerous guy.

Posted November 18, 2012 4:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, reacting like Wlad will likely spell the end of Mitchells career so your advice is worthless, Wlad got capped by part time fighter Sanders, he then went down against Williamson, he then got stopped by Brewster and then he was pounded into the canvas 3 times by Peter… Thats NOT a standard recipe to comeback from a TKO or KO but then again Wlad had ALREADY been stopped before Sanders by the bum Purrity so he did have more experience than Mitchell getting knocked out… You really reversed your earlier assertion that Mitchell was part of a “terrific era” of boxing… Hmmm how many of these other dudes are gonna fall while you dream of them becoming something capable of adding to the Klits legacy… Abdulasamov??? Dude fights like a caveman LOL

Posted November 18, 2012 4:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, its funny that you knock Seths win over Ibragimov who had never been stopped and was an experienced professional but you were on your knees with Wachs bone in your mouth when he has NOT beat ANYONE that had been at Ibragimovs level?? That was a solid win for a guy who was coming up as was the Witherspoon TKO…You were also working OT to pump up 40 year old Thompson who’s BEST win was Witherspoon over the past 5 years before Wlad got him again, before Thompson faced Wlad he had beat the might Maurice Harris with 14 losses LOL!! But according to your logic Thompson and Wach had banner resumes compared to Mitchell?? He got upset and he might not be able to comeback but stop acting like you did not LAUD Mitchell as a fighter.. YOU did the same with Helenius till he looked like dirt against Chisora… Clown

Posted November 18, 2012 4:14 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, I see you have COMPLETELY reversed your position on Mitchell… When I recently illuminated the WEAKNESS of the current ERA you included Mitchell, Price, Mago and others in your list of reasons why the ERA was indeed good and replete with top notch talent or do you disavow your prior statements? Don’t feel bad it will NOT be the first time you flip flopped… EVERYONE saw Mitchell as the favorite to beat Banks just like they saw Wlad as the favorite to beat Sanders before he hit the canvas 3 times like Mitchell did last night… Maybe Mitchell will be a “bust” time will tell but being a Monday morning quarterback is not making anyone look impressive nor like a soothsayer…HBO is not stupid because their fighter got clipped, boxing is a game of risk there are no guarantees, but then again you should know this… :)

Posted November 18, 2012 4:07 pm 


Decker

@te tumbo – agree, would like to see Arreola-Mitchell. Chris can take a licking and keep on ticking. Who would fans favor. I’d say after that bust fight w/Banks, most would favor CA.

Agree w/BEARS too ; )

Posted November 18, 2012 3:25 pm 


BEARS

Mitchels jaw is the bes example of glass at heavyweight. Shattered by witherspoon and proved by banks who was on a mission. Guys like sredmond saying beating the worse and much maligned member of the ibragimov family actually indicated mitchel was good. A huge slap in the face to hbo, goldon boy and their prospect. To fall to banks lol. In an early stoppage. Overwhelmed by banks. I like what te tumbo said. U can great deal of fans like are like the average citizen. Sheep. People just struggle to think for themselves. What a way to go for seth. And he can be written off now despite what sredmond might say. Although it would be nice to see seth react like wlad did after brester 1 and take on sam peter. Seth take on abdusamalov or something and and it will be the coup de gra of mitchels career at the hands of a lower prospect abdusamalov

Posted November 18, 2012 3:10 pm 


Anonymous

Give DEMarco credut fir placing his head in perfectposition to get hit. Broner is so hard to hit clean – he leanns back, takes punches on his gloves and is able to hit and slip punches at the same time, Guys who go to war have no chance with Broner

Posted November 18, 2012 2:33 pm 


te tumbo

meanwhile, would somebody of ESB’s beefcake contingent please reconcile how a physically muscular Mitchell lost to a tune-up opponent? something that the flabby Arreola has never done. in fact, the last remotely dangerous or competitive bout that Vitali was in was v. Cristobal who charged and swung with abandon before losing to a Klitschko. Btw, how many think Banks has a shot to defeat Arreola? at this point, i’d like to see that matchup. if only to expose the beefcake-loving contingent of ESB posters for utter boxing ignoramASSES and worse.

Posted November 18, 2012 2:24 pm 


te tumbo

DeMarco was reduced to gatekeeper status v. Broner who simply outclassed DeMarco in every category. fortunaely for DeMarco, Broner is just passing through and Tony will have additional opportunities to regain his title v. less formidable competition. meanwhile, Broner Is the real deal. he took several flush shots very well and after a brief feeling-out period began to score then tee-off on DeMaro with virtual impunity. i won’t assume he can dominate at welter until i see it but every welter should be preparing for Broner’s arrival, which is imminent.

Posted November 18, 2012 2:19 pm 


SREDMOND

I have NO sympathy for a young, strong fighter like Dawson who could not beat that OLD man up and get him out of there… Pascal and he should be ASHAMED of themselves….

Posted November 18, 2012 2:09 pm 


33Huey

Dude why is Hopkins there ? I know hes part of Golden Boy. The so called Professor of boxing he calls himself is such a bad example for boxing. As Dawson said : “Man hes dirty, Man hes diry “

Posted November 18, 2012 1:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Mayweather Sr’s claim to fame is his SON and working with ODH who was already a VERY talented Champion boxer when they worked together… Dawson and many others have dumped him and his experiment with Hatton was a disaster unless you think beating Paulie is the pinnacle of boxing mastery… Mitchell got knocked out that does NOT necessarily mean his trainer has to go… Often that is more of a psychological ploy as opposed to an actual move to render a new quality of fighter… Khan has been knocked out with 2 trainers and if he loses again guess what he will do?? Get another trainer….

Posted November 18, 2012 1:43 pm 


SREDMOND

I disagree with that Mitchell stopped Ibragimov and Witherspoon, neither of which are world beaters by any stretch but NOT even close to the dregs of the HW division…Rightly I think Seths prospects are being revised downward but the pendulum is swinging too far to the other side on the heels of getting caught and not recovering against Banks who boxed well…Even Banks said Mitchell did not do anything terrible wrong absent trying to fight his way out of the round instead of holding and letting his head clear… Mitchell might end up being a bust but for a guy who got serious about boxing 5 years ago he has looked good….Will Mitchell beat Wlad? No but there are plenty of guys he will defeat and give a hard night if he is indeed not mentally broken by this defeat…

Posted November 18, 2012 1:35 pm 


El.Viagra

To Boxtradamus getting Mayweather Sr. is not good advised at all ,, Mayweather Sr. does know a hell of a lot about boxing thats for sure ,but he is a very bad professional ,,what i mean by it ,is that he is never on time for the training ,sometimes he does not show up ,,and he tries to change your style to his idea ,, that is why every one dumps him …

Posted November 18, 2012 1:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Broner would murder Brandon Rios, it would be target practice all night only problem is that Bam, Bams usual tack of wearing down his opponent would fall flat because Broner is NOT Alvarado he is not gonna take incoming fire like that from a much slower free swinger… I would love to see that bout for the action, But Rios would look like he got dropped off of a building by the time that fight was over….

Posted November 18, 2012 1:30 pm 


Anonymous

Mitchelles jaw makes tommy morrisons jaw seem like Iran.lol the guy just can’t fight. He’s big and strong but any half ass boxer with a amature back ground will easily beat him.seems like a nice guy but he needs to get a job coaching high school football before he gets hurt

Posted November 18, 2012 12:56 pm 


Anonymous

broner can beat khan i mean khan wouldn be able to take broner punches due to khan chin problem rios and alvarado will be tough fights for broner but i see broner busted them up and landing at will against them im not saying broner will beat anybody at 140 but he do got a chance to win those fights matthysee will be his hardest fight and garcia at 140 broner and peterson is friends so i doubt they fight unless the money is right zab will be a good fight zab a southpaw with speed and power i aint solld on zab yet he looked good against vernon paris but paris aint elite we see how looks when he fight danny garcia

Posted November 18, 2012 12:42 pm 


SREDMOND

How did Golden Boy make a bad decision?? They put Mitchell in with a beatable fighter and he lost… Boxing is the theatre of the unexpected, Mitchell had a good story and at this point he got derailed… It does not mean he did not show promise prior to getting knocked out.. Who is Golden Boy supposed to bank on? As for “venue money” thats the chump change in boxing (ticket sales) the real money is from HBO and Showtime….Guys like Berto who does NOT sell tickets were still making over 1 million per fight, Bradley is not a big ticket seller and he got paid over 1 million to smash a 40 year old Casamayor… US boxing is looking for PPV sales that generate 10’s of millions as opposed to a 3 million or 5 million dollar gate….. Chavez Jr and Martinez did 500k PPV’s thats roughly 25 million plus to divide up for the network, fighters and promoters… The BIG money is still being made in the states with few notable exceptions.

Posted November 18, 2012 12:03 pm 


brick city

Broner is the truth to all you Broner haters out there, and to Tommy Boy Fres been fnished all long, long time ago. Jennings will be a champ, he actually has an in and out style to beat the klits.

Posted November 18, 2012 11:20 am 


Love-the-Sport

Seth Mitchell is another example of Golden Boy Promotions making bad decisions. They pick the wrong talent and they don’t have patience in developing the talent that they picked which was wrong to begin with … In addition, I would say that the American market does not have a good venue for these mid-level talent guys who can still put on a good show. I don’t think Seth Mitchell is an elite heavy-weight — but he can put on a good show against mid-level talent. But that can’t happen in the US because there is not enough venues, not enough tv money, not enough fan interest for mid-level quality boxing. The boxing world should look to new markets to develop these mid-level guys: England and maybe even Hong Kong and Maccao where they have lots of casinos. In the US, these guys come up against good fighters too soon and they get beat.

Posted November 18, 2012 11:17 am 


Love-the-Sport

Bronner looked great. Demarco looked awful. If that happens, it makes for a totally one-sided fight. Although I thought the first 2-3 rounds were competitive with Demarco fighting from a distance and going to the body and head with enough effectiveness to be competitive. Then late 3rd and 4th round Demarco got close, he fought in a crouch and he just gotten beaten to the punch like a pinata. Announcers pointed out that Ponce De Leon had gone the distance with Bronner by staying at a distance and fighting with angles. It makes me think that Bronner can be beaten by a more disciplined fighter — although there is nobody at 135 who can beat him. On the other hand, I don’t think Bronner will dominate at 140 against Garcia, Matthysse, Peterson, Khan, Judah, Rios, Alvarado. I think Bronner will lose to some of these guys.

Posted November 18, 2012 11:12 am 


Decker

Ayu – Mitchell, all 242 pounds of him,…
No wonder that the new dream boy of US heavyweight boxing hopes, Wilder, is going it slow and easy going thru the trenches of the division very much in slow motion if you will. One can take for granted his (Deontay’s) coming dismantling is just a Klitschko away.

Agree w/your views except that DW might be exposed by somebody besides Wlad !

Posted November 18, 2012 11:02 am 


Adrian

@sredmond — yeah mitchel got cought and yeah this is heavyweights but he got cought by a “cruiserweight ”
And he gets “cought” easy and that relates to: mitchell= average havey .. Nothing special and waaaaayyy
Overrated …he is just another hbo “story” just like Miranda was remember him??? and I want be surprised After Mitchell next fight if he ko some jurneyman they will still call him the”best prospect ” and they will call a “fluke” loss to banks!!
Banks was chosen by goldenboy promotion to fight Mitchell thinking he can’t hurt Mitchell and has a name and is really really bad to be stoped and get “cought” by a cruiser in the second round!

Posted November 18, 2012 10:56 am 


Raging Hayelord

Good luck trying to get Ricky Burns to leave the UK to fight Broner. Put that on the list of fights that are guaranteed to never happen.

It will be interesting/funny to see how Fwank spins it.

Posted November 18, 2012 10:51 am 


REALTALK

I know everyone will Dissagree with me but Mitchell can be a star but he needs a real trainer! Someone who knows how to teach him how to hold!

Posted November 18, 2012 10:40 am 


Hidalgo

An up and comer lightweight named Angelo Santana looks like he might be a future potential opponent for Broner. He’s undefeated, he’s slick, he’s powerful, and he’s a damn good boxer with a deep amateur record. Thing is, by the time Santana gets to the level where he deserves a fight with Broner, Adrien will probably have moved on to the welterweight division. But if you guys haven’t seen Santana fight, you should. If Broner could stay at lightweight for two years, I think these two guys would make for a really exciting, competitive fight. But I don’t think thats gonna happen.

Posted November 18, 2012 10:36 am 


huckster

Broner is for real. Seth is not. Congrats to Banks, but he is no threat to any K-bro. Dust is somewhat cleared in the US of A. If Banks fought Adamek, Adamek would still beat Banks. Banks is too Slow for Adamek and not enough out put. Wilder is a chin waiting to be exposed.

Posted November 18, 2012 10:12 am 


tacoBENDER

One reason why Mitchell lost is that he has never really been tested or taken a hard punch to the face or body…another reason is aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm OVER-RATED. America has been craving the “next American champ” for years. It’s gonna happen but not just anybody can claim the belts. As far as Broner goes(one of my fav’s)… he’s a BEAST who can hit very hard , has speed and is becoming very hard to hit. He has proven he can take a punch and has the quickness to deliver a solid blow from anywhere. If he get’s a top notch trainer(ie-Garcia)…then it’s over…he will be the next Mayweather… and why not.. boxing needs IT!!!! well those are my opinions.. I’m out

Posted November 18, 2012 10:04 am 


Anonymous

Mitchell losing to Banks was a surprise. Mitchell losing by KO was shocking. Mitchell losing to a semi-retired well past his best Banks shows just how far he is gonna go lol….

Posted November 18, 2012 9:32 am 


Demon

@ AYU hahahaha very good enjoyed that read.

Posted November 18, 2012 8:31 am 


Ayu

Mitchell, all 242 pounds of him, did not get past the second round with a former cruiserweight! Oh vey!?! In contrast progressively more fans are able to fully appreciate and or comprehend the exceptional talents of the Klitschko brothers as they knock down the competition again and again, all the while making it look moderately easy. No wonder that the new dream boy of US heavyweight boxing hopes, Wilder, is going it slow and easy going thru the trenches of the division very much in slow motion if you will. One can take for granted his (Deontay’s) coming dismantling is just a Klitschko away.

Posted November 18, 2012 8:07 am 


Kovas

I have a feeling that the affiliation of Bank with Klitschko automatically put him in a negative list of the American boxing experts. Now everybody talks how bad Mitchell was and I don’t see any credit for Bank. People forget that he lost only one fight against a reputable fighter and he had his chances even there.

Posted November 18, 2012 7:50 am 


KOrnerman

I must admit he looked good against a limited champion, Broner vs Burns Unification bring it on!!!!

Posted November 18, 2012 7:02 am 


SREDMOND

Guys are already trying to put Broner in the next division, the guy is only 5″7 if that let him dig in and do some damage at 135 as long as he can make the weight… Dermarco did not have anything that was going to allow him to phase Adrien and that was scary because Antonio is a tough ass fighter… Broner turned him into a statue and beat him to the body and head BADLY…. That was a seriously cold blooded and clinical performance against the guy at 135….Broner would have destroyed Rios at 135, he is just too fast and precise for a guy who likes to eat punches

Posted November 18, 2012 6:57 am 


SREDMOND

Mitchell got caught bad and NEVER recovered, thats the reality of HW boxing some guys are not going to let you off the hook, this is disconcerting because Witherspoon had him in trouble early also but he was able to dig in and fight out of that one… Its likely they are going to try and temper some of Mitchells early aggression in lieu of a more balanced attack… Its going to be interesting seeing if he can get back on track or if he is derailed for sometime…. Boxing is a hard knock life..

Posted November 18, 2012 6:52 am 


Don Wong

Mitchell goes down in flames and so do the hopes of some for a successful Afro-American heavyweight contender. Ahhh…!

Posted November 18, 2012 6:37 am 


Rob

Boxtra, you have no cred here anymore lol, after all the hype you were talking about with Anselmo Moreno we all know u don’t know what ur talking about, Mares was a proven talent amatuer an pro an you were to dumb to see that.

Posted November 18, 2012 6:07 am 


Boxtradamus

IF you can’t get Hunter then get Mayweather Sr……I told Chad Dawson the same thing but he didn’t listen and that’s why
he got SPANKED. Don’t make the same mistake.

Posted November 18, 2012 5:27 am 


Boxtradamus

IF you took Broner by 8th round stoppage that means that I taught you WELL. When I SAY that someone is the BEST you’d better believe it. Backing MY pick is very WISE. I COMMEND you on that.

Posted November 18, 2012 5:11 am 


Adrian

Mitchell is a victim of a wishful thinking fans and hbo “storytellers” that’s right they became storytellers instead a boxing network by selling us life story’s of guys like , remember Miranda ?????? Wow and trust me if mitchel wins another fight next by ko we will still hear “story’s ” of how mitchel is back and the loss against banks was a fluke…. I am not saying mitchel is a bum but for gods sakes he was and he is NOTHING SPECIAL!!!!!

Posted November 18, 2012 5:07 am 


BEARS

Let abdusamalov slay mitchel next! That would be the pefect fight for seth mitchel to come back to.
Making a statement.

Posted November 18, 2012 4:45 am 


Dion White

Yo Hopkins was trying to get face time as much as he could by sticking his ugly mug in the camera. Hopkins watching the fight was thinking ” man I was never as good as Broner.

Posted November 18, 2012 3:39 am 


nemo

congratulations, Mr.Banks! very well! Kronk’s alive!

Posted November 18, 2012 3:19 am 


Fight Aficionado

Well Broner-DeMarco was noncompetitive just like I predicted and Broner won by TKO-8 just as I predicted. This mean’s I’m the greatest fight prognosticator on the planet. Unlike a certain nut slupring toolbox who brags often but rarely calls fights correctly. In a case where a fighter is a heavy favorite you gotta pick more than the winner.

Posted November 18, 2012 3:16 am 


Anonymous

atleast mitchell step up and fought sombody good like banks wilder havent step up yet and fought a good fighter

Posted November 18, 2012 2:50 am 


Decker

Didn’t analyze the Banks-Mitchell bout closely, just read what fans were saying here. But based on size diff and Seth hype, this is a surprising result. Who nex to be exposed? Wilder?

Posted November 18, 2012 2:41 am 


TARK

You learn more from a loss than a win.. This fight showed Mitchell that he has no clinching skills.. He has no footwork.. His defense sucks wind.. His stance needs tons of work—because he looks as relaxed and cool as a cat on a hot tin roof.. He doesn’t relax, box, score, defend, and look to win rounds—he looks for the kill and flings punches like an amateur—giving his opponent big chances to counter.. Therefore he has no patience and is not a 12 round fighter.. He needs a new conditioning expert and strength trainer because his body is not right.. He needs a new boxing coach most of all. He faced a very technically solid Banks, and he’s not going to beat someone like that for a long time … Wladimir Klitschko had a few major problems when he started with Steward—and he got knocked out again by Brewster—so It’s not the end … But a loss like this something where you have to pick up the pieces, examine them, and find solutions or you’re done.

Posted November 18, 2012 2:21 am 


Anonymous

it wasn just size it was skills to somthing seth mitchell dnt got after the way vazquez looked in his last fight broner aint going to fight him ricky burns the only guy at 135 worthy of fighting broner atleast other then that broner should move to 140

Posted November 18, 2012 2:19 am 


Facts

Mitchell had it coming not going to lie didn’t see it coming from banks lol,Props to the guy though he earned it.I thought upsets was going to be trend,but broners size was too much to overcome oh well.Not interested in anybody at weak 135lb division vasquez,burns can’t compete with that size either the sooner he moves up to 140-147lb the sooner we’ll see what he’s really made of.135lb is too small for him guys his own size at 140lb division are waiting to test that little chin lol.Props to brush boi though size overcame today too bad it didn’t work out for over-hyped mitchell.

Posted November 18, 2012 2:03 am 


HHLondon

This was a step up for Broner and he handled DeMarco with ease.

Let’s hope Warren has the bollocks to back his boy Burns in a unification.

Broner looked great when DeMarco stood in front of him, but seemed confused when pushed back and made to work going back.

Burns is the only other fight at the weight and let’s hope they can agree the money.

Once Broner felt DeMarco’s best, he dropped the tight guard and let go and bullied him at will.

Broner will win more fans and earn more money if he drops the act!!

Posted November 18, 2012 2:00 am 


Anonymous

i preditcted 8th round for broner as well not to bragg on it but i did tho

Posted November 18, 2012 2:00 am 


El.Viagra

What happen to WTF??? comments ,,he cant take the truth ??

Posted November 18, 2012 1:50 am 


dionysis

Also, it’s hard for me to like Broner because he’s “Floydish”. But he stood in there tonight and traded non-stop with a tried and true banger in a fight that he had moved up in weight for. I must give credit where it’s due. Congrats to Broner. He backs it up in the ring.

Posted November 18, 2012 1:46 am 


El.Viagra

To WTF??? The Broner vs Demarco fight reminded me of the ” NO MAS ” Cotto and his corner pull on the Margarito fight …

Posted November 18, 2012 1:43 am 


Juan Mendez

Yep, 8th round for Broner as I predicted.

Posted November 18, 2012 1:41 am 


Bubba Gump

NFL players can’t carry most Boxers Jock-Straps on their best day!! They can pad their records with bums but soon as they step up it’s Sleepy Time!!! heheheheeee… HBO lost me as a subscriber once they started ignoring the Heavyweight division that they always loved when the USA was on top of the heap! It was called the ‘Greatest Prize in Sports’ by them until the USA lost it 10 years ago!!!

Posted November 18, 2012 1:41 am 


Dionysis

I was waiting for Seth Mitchell to be exposed after Chaz Witherspoon had Mitchell hurt before Mitchell turned it around. Chaz is kinda feather fisted. Mitchell is still a rugged talent that swings with everything often. If it wasn’t Banks, it would most certainly have been someone else with experience and discipline. Banks knew from his fight with Chaz that Seth’s chin was “iffy”. That’s why he hurt him and then jumped on him wildly. Seth doesn’t recover fast and Banks knew he stays stunned for quite a while. This guy has been exposed, anyone else that fights him knows that if they tap his chops and buzz him,.. they can lay him out. He’s a poor man’s Sam Peter.

Posted November 18, 2012 1:40 am 


Anonymous

Don’t believe the hype

Posted November 18, 2012 1:30 am 


WindMiller

HBO gettin’ paid back for dissin’ the Klitschko’s, I hope Banks SMOKES Deoonantayz (wharever) Wilder NEX!!! WHO NEX?? WILDER is NEX!!! line up all the NFL glass jaws!! LMAO

Posted November 18, 2012 1:27 am 


Adrian

Well this is the best example that having muscles and knocking out jurneyman doesn’t mean he is a super prospect … To reach to that point of conclusion a boxer must show boxing skills , toughness and most importantly show that he can deal in every kind of situation, and mitchel had none of that but was called a best up and coming heavyweight from USA???? Really?????
I knew it banks would be to much for mitchel based on the boxing skills and inexperience that mitchel had…
Grow up you so called” experts”!!!!

Posted November 18, 2012 12:54 am 


Cognitor

I way over estimated Seth Mitchell . I said Banks was too small and too nice in spite of his amateur pedigree that he had no chance against a power puncher like Mitchell. In the first round, i thought here goes another set up for Mitchell especially with Banks left hand hanging way too low ala Tommy Hearns. For years I said you can’t just bring another athlete from another sport and turn them into championship calibre boxers and I thought Seth Mitchell would prove me wrong. I’m glad I was right all along. Too many people have been saying the next champ is in football, basketball, etc. No, no, the next great heavy weight champion may still be waiting in the midst of the amateur ranks. I hope Mitchell can still make money at the lower echelons of this sport. he’s a nice guy.

Posted November 18, 2012 12:53 am 


BEARS

Adrian-lol……yeah where’s redmond who was riding this cats mitchels sack?

Posted November 18, 2012 12:45 am 


Daly Jr (Juanma, same tranny) likes to touch herself

Banks, you made me a happy man. Steward was smiling

Posted November 18, 2012 12:44 am 


WTF???!

As Predicted Broner tore the Mexican Demarco a new one.. Punked him just like Valero punked him. He folded like a soft shell taco and his corner once again pulled a No Mas moment… Cowards…

Posted November 18, 2012 12:37 am 


Adrian

@sredmond, do you still think wach would have get killed by mitchel??

Posted November 18, 2012 12:31 am 


Haymon’s Hype Jobs

Mitchell should retire what’s he going to do

Posted November 18, 2012 12:25 am 


Wlad_God

Good job Johnathon, smoking the HBO hype job and sticking to them. HBO wishes they had someone to rival Team Klitschko.

Posted November 18, 2012 12:01 am 


Alonzo

What about Calvin Brock, HBO? Just kidding.

Posted November 18, 2012 12:01 am 


Alonzo

KIck ass and congrats to Jonathan Banks who put aside his own fight to help train Wladimir!! What a guy!!

Posted November 17, 2012 11:59 pm 


SANDMAN

So does this mean that Banks will now be in line to fight Wlad? Would be kinda weird to see Banks train Klitschko to fight…….himself. lol. Will he give him advice in between rounds too? Congrats to Banks though. Great win for him!!!

Posted November 17, 2012 11:58 pm 


Gumboot

So Mitchell got beaten. I guess we now know just what he had to show boxing. Very little. Excellent win for Banks, not so much the name although he will be noted as the man who exposed the hype, but rather the KO. Good for him. I hope he is able to capitalise on this result but at 214 he still seems to me to be too small to trouble a much bigger boxer who is more skilled than Mitchell. Good result!

Posted November 17, 2012 11:58 pm 


BEARS

Bahahahahahah! Mitchel got smoked! What’s that feel like hbo? I know…….it burns

Posted November 17, 2012 11:50 pm 


John

They got it wrong. banks beat Mitchell by KO in round 2.

Posted November 17, 2012 11:46 pm 


doc

Wow!!!!! Mitchell exposed again…… big-time! He truly has a glass jaw! Not that I really cared who won the fight, but this can’t be good for HW boxing. Nothing against the Klits, but now we have the Klits who will never fight each other (understandably so – I have 4 sons myself, and would never in a million years ask them to fight each other), and a Klit sparing partner as one of the top American HWs. Âll respect to Banks (dedicating the fight to Steward), but I never thought much of him since he moved to HW. Oh well, that’s why we all love boxing…. you never know what’s going to happen!

Posted November 17, 2012 11:40 pm 


Anonymous

Mitchell is a football player NOT a fighter

Posted November 17, 2012 11:34 pm 


Big Al

I love it when a hype goes down in flames

Posted November 17, 2012 11:26 pm 


Boxtradamus

SKILLS is more important than SIZE!!!

Posted November 17, 2012 11:24 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

When will you clowns ever learn? lol. American hype hype hype. lol Mitchell actually had a chance against the Klitschkos. lol. Wilder’s next. lol

Posted November 17, 2012 11:23 pm 


John

Banks KO7 Mitchell

Posted November 17, 2012 11:21 pm 


Boxtradamus

Uh OH. LOOKS like TKO WIN is the theme tonight.

Posted November 17, 2012 10:11 pm 



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