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1-Ton

I happen to find this creative perspective on the sport to be quite refreshing; espectially in light of the glorified message board posts/blog entries that too often pass for articles on ESB. Pontificate on, Mr. Livitz.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:53 pm 


art

Nice strawman, 1-Ton, but no one has claimed that. As for the implication that some of us are just angry Hatton fans, few of the readers are commenting on the content of this article since content was clearly a distant second priority behind delivery for this author. Journalism concerns itself with content and accuracy, preferring concision and even terseness to self-indulgent bloviation.

Posted November 26, 2012 1:57 pm 


1-Ton

Thanks for another great article, Marc. It’s rather strange to hear someone complain that reading your material requires too much intellect. You should certainly not apologize. Keep writing, and hopefully the higher water will raise all boats.

Posted November 26, 2012 9:51 am 


FlakeTenner

strange writing, but he makes good points. A lot of the jabs and insults here just sound like they are from fans who are ticked that RH lost. Maybe we could look forward to being treated to your own journalistic abilities when you submit something instead of blasting away like you’ve nothing better to do.

Posted November 26, 2012 12:07 am 


Robot

Norreh ,that is plain moronic coming from someone who started on a haughty note. Butthurt? there is only one butthurt here and it’s not me or even Marc. When you fail to impress and can’t survive it, just take a break. A very long one hopefully.

Posted November 25, 2012 10:27 pm 


art

Incredible that you had the humility to respond amid all this criticism, yet you intend to write “from the heart and the head even more in the future.” Yeah, that’s clearly what all of your readers criticizing your style want: more of the same and to an even greater degree.

Posted November 25, 2012 9:59 pm 


Marc

ESB Faithful – first off, thanks much for reading the piece. I take all comments seriously & trust me – I was very disappointed by the result as well. Ricky beat himself in so many ways. As far as my style of writing, I’m not going to apologize, yet I will make an attempt to write from the heart and the head even more in the future. I make no attempts to write beyond the reader’s comprehension – I’m not Professor Hawking. I do this because I love it. It’s fun and never easy. I have actualy seen Ricky fight twice (both losses in Vegas) & to this day, I’ve yet to see such a passionate and devoted crowd. Beyond amazing. Thanks again. One article is not the end of the world. No intentions to offend. Ever. I write the way I think – I’m no elitist. I won’t submit my work to Vanity Fair because there’s too many advertisements. I appreciate the comments, backlash, advice, etc. Finally – if you don’t like it, then don’t read it. Personal shots towards someone you’ve neither met nor spoken to is a bit unwarranted.

Posted November 25, 2012 8:56 pm 


Josreph Herron

That’s what I just posted, Tobor.

i’m justing reminding everyone to judge slowly…creative writing is subjective…obviously.

The subject matter usually dictates whether or not someone appreciates any of our writings.

That’s my point…you didn’t have to get butt-hurt by my words, man…lol

Posted November 25, 2012 8:29 pm 


BigJohnGreen

Hatton got tired. He should be at 140 and needs some tune ups before going for title shots.

Posted November 25, 2012 8:14 pm 


Robot

Joseph since you seem to struggle with this concept let me “dumb it down” : you seem to be the only one who raves this article. I believe Marc creates his product not for you only but for a larger audience. Otherwise he should just mail it to your personal e-mail so you can ravel in delight . But he posted his “work” here for us all to judge. The verdict is out. Take it or leave it, we don’t like it – your attempts to explain readers comments by their ” unsophistication ” are quite pathetic.
No offence intended, thanks to all.

Posted November 25, 2012 7:34 pm 


art

Hopefully next time he realizes he isn’t writing an editorial for submission to Vanity Fair.

Posted November 25, 2012 6:30 pm 


TARK

Herron… The writer of this article wasn’t providing intellectual stimulation for anyone. He’s not bright enough. He has nothing to say and used a thousand words to say it. He wrote this article for himself, to marvel at his own cleverness. He gives a crap about enlightening the reader. As for his remarks about Hatton’s liver? He can GFH.

There are fighters who can’t fight and writers who can’t write. Let’s just say he sucks worse than most ESB writers.

Posted November 25, 2012 5:21 pm 


art

And when I say “and his colleagues,” I’m referring to Herron, as most other writers, including this one, would consider this piece tripe regardless of intended audience.

Posted November 25, 2012 5:20 pm 


art

You “dumb down” something that has already been written. If you cater to your intended audience from the beginning, there is nothing to be dumbed down. If you don’t understand that this style of writing amuses the writer and his colleagues more than it speaks to the readership at large, then you need to take a step back and consider who you’re truly writing for. This article reeks of self-gratification which is better left in one’s private journal.

Posted November 25, 2012 5:05 pm 


Joseph Herron

So basically what you’re saying is that creative writers need to “dumb down” our articles because we’re portraying the sport of boxing?

You’re giving the great fans of the sport very little intellectual credit. Marc’s peice wasn’t a review of the action, it was an editorial.

I’m sorry if you thought my words were patronizing…they were meant to be taken as more sarcastic rather than condescending. I have a great respect for everyone’s opinions on this forum…including the writers.

A lot of die-hards on this site are very intelligent and need greater stimuilation than the ordinary fight review. If that’s not you, generically, then don’t bash the writer…that was my point.

Not trying to insult anyone’s intelligence.

Posted November 25, 2012 4:50 pm 


Robot

Hey Mark don’t get upset but overloading a piece about boxing with words more suitable for a literary critique seems (to me) misplaced. No offence, it ‘s just “too eloquent” as paradoxical as it sounds, ha-ha. Just my humble opinion. Cheers !

And Joseph – it’s great to praise a colleague but please, could you avoid these condescending/patronizing assumptions that people just did not understand the words. It is not the only reason why some disliked the article. I think it is stylistically wrong and… see above. OK buddy? Cheers again

Posted November 25, 2012 2:30 pm 


art

Joseph herron, my favorite writer is Vladimir Nabokov. I understood the piece, but the style is wrong for the intended audience: the boxing public. This is a sports news website with a lot of international readers and a lot of less educated readers.

Posted November 25, 2012 1:29 pm 


Anonymous

Go and enjoy the rest of your life with your family , great to watch over the years and thanks for some great memories

Posted November 25, 2012 5:13 am 


Joseph herron

guys, don’t hate the player because you don’t understand the game.

Marc is a brilliant writer who possesses a very sharp wit. If you guys can’t relate to it, don’t kill the messenger…I guess his brand of comedy just isn’t for everybody.

But Mr. Livitz is one of the most brilliant writers in boxing…grab a thesaurus or bust out your bing search engine if you’d like to join in the fun!!

Posted November 25, 2012 5:13 am 


Sergey

Yes, the style of the author leaves quite a lot to be desired :-) I thought first that my English was quite bad as I could not understand some sentences (I am Russian, living in Ukraine). But other readers have noted that the style of writing is wrong, I agree with this.

Posted November 25, 2012 4:52 am 


art

Extremely pretentious style, author. You do realize you’re writing for a boxing website, don’t you? Know your audience–were you not taught this in school?

Posted November 25, 2012 3:18 am 


Robot

What an obnoxious style of writing. Simplify, scribe.

Posted November 25, 2012 12:11 am 


Bart

Ricky Hatton accomplished much for a fighter of tremendous heart & determination but; with limited skills. He always came into a contest to please the crowd. He is an action fighter who always presses forward. This come back demonstrated a loss of swiftness & less ability to trap & hold his opponent against the ropes as in the past. In my opinion Ricky should call it quits at this point of his career before he suffers a serious injury to himself. He has given the sport many exciting moments to cherish forever.

Posted November 24, 2012 11:55 pm 


usa

The home of performancing enhancing drugs and let them get away with it, like it’s normal that must say something, cheats, but don’t keep mentioning it.

Posted November 24, 2012 11:20 pm 


hookoffthejab

lmao ….

Posted November 24, 2012 11:06 pm 


tszyu’s gonads

Until Hatton apologizes for blasting me into oblivion, I wish nothing but defeat & devastation upon the cheating a-hole limey. I laughed at his tears tonight.

Posted November 24, 2012 10:59 pm 


Boxtradamus

Senchenko WINS by stoppage just as I predicted!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!

Posted November 24, 2012 10:56 pm 


King Leonidas MN

Being from the USA’s midwest, not a mecca for boxing mind you, I feel awful for Ricky. He is what a boxier should be. His get in there, bang ‘em style is always crowd pleasing. He NEVER ducked anybody and could have taken a tune-up fight but didn’t. That is not his style. He wanted to GO BIG and in Hatton fashion went in there with a former champ after a 3+ year layoff. He banged it pretty good for 8 rounds. It looked as though he didnt miss a beat. Kudos to Ricky! Now I know why I have admired him the first time I saw him fight. He has heart and that is what is missing from boxing today. My best to Ricky. This American is proud of your performance!

Posted November 24, 2012 10:40 pm 


the commentator

dont contemplate suicide again ricky….

Posted November 24, 2012 10:38 pm 



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