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Anonymous

you also predicted that Froch would KO Ward… you suck

Posted November 29, 2012 5:48 pm 


TARK

Actually, you’re full of crap again Enema Schnozzle Nose… Andre’s eye were swollen horrendously… The rest of his face? Not so much.

Posted November 28, 2012 4:51 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

His entire face is swollen, look at the before and after photos, it’s obvious.

Posted November 28, 2012 1:35 pm 


TARK

Look at the photo with this story… Berto’s jaw isn’t swollen… His mouth and lips aren’t swollen… His nose isn’t swollen… His eyes are swollen shut and look horrendous… When the damage is this local it should give you a clue.

Posted November 28, 2012 12:12 pm 


TARK

Tumbo says…, “Even if this does constitute a “thumb strike”, it was unintentional and doesn’t explain Berto’s swollen left eye” … He got AB on the right eye with a left thumb strike — he got AB on the left eye with a right thumb strike.

Posted November 28, 2012 2:13 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

The pantload Tard always has a conspiracy theory. Two tough fighters went to battle and beat the hell out of each other, thus winding up with bruises, swelling and cuts. Happens all the time…

Posted November 27, 2012 9:58 pm 


te tumbo

“a perfect thumb strike”? i can’t recall a single “thumbing” incident since the introduction of thumbless gloves that were designed to eliminate this practice. otherwise, micro-degrees of “thumbing” are no more than occupational hazards that can’t compare to intentional thumbing incidents of the past. besides, even if this does constitute a “thumb strike”, it was unintentional and doesn’t explain Berto’s swollen left eye or Guerrero’s own right eye. unless both Berto and Guerrero became instant masters of precision “thumb strikes”, the mutual damage experienced in this fight was the result of legal punches being exchanged in a phone booth.

Posted November 27, 2012 9:12 pm 


TARK

Sred…., You do thumb strikes with so-called thumbless gloves by popping the inside edge of the glove where the thumb is into the corner of the eye as you ram it past the head in a jab. It still does a lot of damage to the eye—although many boxers were blinded by the old gloves and you can’t actually gouge somebody in the eye with modern gloves like you could with the boxing gloves they used in the 50′s … Guerrero caught Berto with a perfect thumb strike that was replayed on the HBO telecast. I’m surprised you missed it.

Posted November 27, 2012 8:03 pm 


TARK

I’m not complaining… I supported Guerrero going into the fight and I basically think Berto sucks as a fighter besides being PED cheater. But I am amazed at the lack of criticism of Lou Moret and the massive extent of the fouling. I’ve been watching boxing matches for longer than I care to admit and this is the most foul filled fight I’ve ever witnessed. I saw one in the 50′s between Giardello and Fullmer that was pretty outrageous, but it was another one that the fans loved. Everybody got a kick out of it because it was so unusual to see 2 professional athletes throw the rule book out the window and they really hated each other. I think Lou Moret should be called on the carpet for letting the fight get out of control because this is the worst job of refereeing I’ve ever seen … But the fans loved the fight so he skates—and the only people who are angry are the few Berto supporters out there. The man basically is not very popular and most fans wanted him trashed.

Posted November 27, 2012 7:46 pm 


SREDMOND

How was Robert “thumbing” with thumbless gloves? and the reality of grazing errant punches and stinging eye shots falls under the heading of occupational hazard in boxing… Tark your excuses for Bertos inability to defend and control another fighter are lame in the extreme… He willingly at times went to the ropes and invited more infighting and mauling…. Guerrero did EXACTLY what he should have and made Berto uncomfortable in the extreme…Its over and the win is booked, postfight Robert basically shut Berto down and told him to stop complaining and he did… You should follow suit.

Posted November 27, 2012 5:53 pm 


lefhook

Or a hard head to the cheek bone

Posted November 27, 2012 5:21 pm 


te tumbo

TARK, not even Berto or HBO’s biased shills cited or complained about “thumbing”(?). also, disproportionate swelling caused by legal punches is not uncommon in a Fight (e.g., Rahman, Vargas). moreover, the replay showed it was a legal punch that caused the immediate swelling of Berto’s right eye. meanwhile, you can’t concede that Berto’s corner was scolding him for holding and amateurish clinching then place the entire blame on Guerrero for the “Greco-Roman Wrestling” that broke out. this is a cut-and-dry case of one fighter imposing his will and fight-plan on another fighter who tried but failed to beat him at his own game, i.e., BOTH Guerrero and Berto were “fouling” but Guerrero was simply a Lot better at executing and concealing the strategy. bottomline, we BOTH anticipated that Guerrero would and should win this matchup for the same reasons: he’s a ring-smarter fighter with more talent and skills. his unexpected ruggedness v. a hard-hitting and full-fledged welter only highlighted his general superiority over Berto.

Posted November 27, 2012 4:45 pm 


TARK

Tumbo… I heard everything said during the telecast coming from Berto’s corner. My hearing is perfect. They basically told Berto, “Don’t grab one arm and let him blast you with his power hand. If you’re going to clinch control both arms.” Is the way I would have put it. Plus when Berto had both hands free he did a better job of blasting those uppercuts and hooks—but by that time his eyes were closed from thumb strikes and he was getting mauled more than finding juicy openings. His connects weren’t having the effect he expected because of Guerrero superb chin, and the incoming was killing him. This is the kind of fight that can result in detached retinas—so I hope Berto’s eyes recover all right. None of this excuses the Greco-Roman Wrestling strategy employed by Guerrero.

Posted November 27, 2012 4:07 pm 


TARK

Solis probably came in with that bad knee… “A bad knee? Oh Lord. Keep quiet about it. Don’t mention it to anybody. First time you get tagged good we’ll pick up our check. It’s a lot of damned money and we can’t risk a postponement.” That was a grazing shot at best.

Floyd-Judah went 12 so it wasn’t a walk over… Floyd was trying as hard as he could for the first 4 rounds against Judah. He knew if Carlos Baldomir could kick Judah’s ass he could, so he wasn’t that worried even though he was behind and Judah was tagging him up for a few rounds. The difference was focus and intensity. Floyd has a lot of poise under pressure, while Judah tends to cave when he gets punched around and loses a few rounds. That was the difference in their Cotto fights too. After Floyd got tagged up he got better and jumped on Cotto the next round.. Judah got even worse the next round.

Posted November 27, 2012 12:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, face facts Mayweather wore Zab Judah OUT and quick… A few even feeling out rounds does not equal anything in the grand scheme of things… Floyd Mayweather was unmarked and he started running Judah all over the ring busting him up, his eye was swollen he was bleeding from the nose, Mayweather was taunting him and pushing him thru the ropes… It was a then very good fighter in the ring with a GREAT fighter, this myopia about a few rounds which proved to be useless is a common construct of bozo’s… I have heard guys wax on about the action between Vitali and Solis during the first round when the tone of the bout could not be intelligently determined due to the paucity of actual landed blows and combat…Klits landed a shot, and Solis knee went out but forecasters want to portend the ending absent a decent sample size… Foolishness

Posted November 27, 2012 11:13 am 


frank

The fight between Berto vs Guerrero was a testament to both fighters courage . I think Berto complaints were both fighters were bending the rules but the ref seemed to see when Bertos fouls much clearer.

Posted November 27, 2012 10:53 am 


Latino

Who does Berto fight next he already tryed to cheat in a rematch wit Ortiz, Canelo would rip him up

Posted November 27, 2012 3:17 am 


Latino

Great fight sorry negros the Mexican smashed that dark brother

Posted November 27, 2012 1:16 am 


TARK

Tumbo says…. “It’s only fouling if the ref declares it to be.” … OK, So all those warnings were for what if not fouling??? I think after the 30th warning Berto started to get the idea that Lou Moret was going to issue more warnings for a few fouls, but never take any points. Guerrero was in the loop all along.. “Don’t wrestle Robert. Don’t push. Don’t grab. Watch the head Robert. Don’t hold and hit.” ..Didn’t slow RG down for a second.. Berto was already beaten to trash, so by the time AB figured it out he could hardly see anyway.

Posted November 27, 2012 1:14 am 


TARK

Tumbo… Fouling is ring craft??? LMAO.. Guerrero didn’t “conceal” his “ring craft” that well.. All the commentators called out his flagrant holding and hitting and called it, “Shades of Lennox Lewis.” Pushing and shoving are fouls amigo. When you repeatedly grab your opponent and bull him against the ropes, and keep him there with your shoulders, head, forearms, and shoulders, and hands, it’s pretty hard to cloak your actions. And it’s one hell of a lot easier for the referee to see these fouls than the commentators who were calling them out.. If any one of these commentators were refereeing you would obviously have seen some points taken.

I think you’re joking Tumbo. I’m still LMAO … Ring craft… Come to think of it, I guess Andrew Golota was a craftsman.. “Ladies and gentlemen, another crafty shot to the balls.”

Posted November 27, 2012 12:51 am 


te tumbo

“The difference is Guerrero seemed to KNOW Lou Moret wasn’t going to call ANY fouls and Berto was intimidated by the numerous warnings from Lou Moret..” fundamentally different response to the same situation is what made it possible for Guerrero to win with unexpected grit and rugged determination in the theater of Boxing. great win for Guerrero and another tough break and lesson for Berto.

Posted November 27, 2012 12:15 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

You may have heard the bell sitting on your couch, but even the ref didn’t hear it with all the crowd noise.
No conspiracy theory, just another pantload of Tark’s trouser chili.

Posted November 27, 2012 12:03 am 


TARK

Everyone heard the final bell. It rang and rang because Guerrero kept punching.. No excuses.. Guerrero was going to win anyway and I picked him to win before the fight.. You can’t excuse fouling just because Robert is such a cool guy and everyone likes him.. I like him too but there are no excuses for fouling … Guerrero was going to win anyway but mainly I’m angry about the referee. Moret seems to be a bag job referee—and no matter how many warnings he issued, and he issued dozens, I just knew he wasn’t going to call any fouls. I’ve seen him referee this way before … If one fighter knows there will be no fouls called and the other one doesn’t, it’s a tremendous advantage to have.

I’m not positive that’s the case, but from the action it sure looked that way. I’ve seen thousands of fights and I’ve never seen that much fouling in my life… And none called?

Posted November 26, 2012 9:29 pm 


Koolz

I never even heard the bell! Man you guys and your BS excuses on this fight.

Both these fighters brawled it out no boxing skills after the second round. Both these fighters rabbit punched, and held repeatedly. And both these fighters got there eyes swollen to the point of fighting in the phone booth so they could hit the other guy well.

Maybe there will be a rematch in 2013. Maybe.

Posted November 26, 2012 9:01 pm 


TARK

Boxtra…. Judah did very well in the first 4 rounds.. The stats you’re showing don’t accont for the 2-point knockdown round so it wasn’t figured into the score.. Floyd was still objectively behind after 4. To be fair to Judah, Floyd didn’t catch up until the 5th, one of the mid rounds: 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th.. He did pull ahead in the mid rounds.. My point was Judah took the early rounds, Floyd caught up in the mid rounds, and pulled away, not ahead, in the late rounds. He was already ahead.

Zab gave him fits early. Even in the 5th Judah staged a good rally in the final 20 seconds, Although it was a good round for Floyd. I suspect if Floyd scored the KD they wouldn’t have missed it.

Posted November 26, 2012 7:43 pm 


te tumbo

SREDMOND, yep. it was a good night of Boxing. a riveting spectacle of will, sacrifice, and primal desire to Win. it wasn’t particularly scientific but that it was calculated and intentional at least on the part of Guerrero, only makes it more compelling. ultimately, the ref is solely responsible for regulating a bout and neither fighter can be blamed for testing that ref’s ability to do so as an extension of their fierce desire to Win. the action and outcome was worthy of the sport’s greatest tradition.

Posted November 26, 2012 7:34 pm 


te tumbo

Mayweather may have given Judah too much respect and it was warranted. Judah was nothing if not a lethal powerpuncher and for all his egotistical bluster outside a boxing ring, Floyd is a poised and even clinical boxer-puncher inside a boxing ring. he’s not prone to reckless or premature rushes and he doesn’t need to be. very few (if any) can measure-up an opponent faster or more accurately than Mayweather. at which point, he methodically targets their weaknesses with his various strengths. in an immediate rematch, Floyd would’ve deMolished Judah. in fact, the first win was so convincing, nobody ever clamored for a rematch.

Posted November 26, 2012 7:04 pm 


TARK

Floyd didn’t get knocked down by Judah because he was off balance… He got clipped really good by Zab a few times, and that right hook was a dandy.

Posted November 26, 2012 6:26 pm 


TARK

Floyd was behind after the early rounds.. He pulled even in the mid rounds.. He came on late when he had Judah well figured out.. It was one of his toughest.

Posted November 26, 2012 6:22 pm 


Boxtradamus

Floyd was already outlanding Judah by the end of the 3rd round. Compubox agrees with ME on that. SO its a FALSE statement to say that Floyd didn’t take over until LATE. Unless you consider the end of the 3rd LATE.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:59 pm 


TARK

Floyd had to make a lot of adjustments against Judah… He got off to a slow start and was trailing… Judah tagged Floyd up with his speed and southpaw stance… He scored a knockdown that the referee missed.. Judah fades late and he did against Floyd too.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:55 pm 


TARK

Casamayor was done when he fought Guerrero… He was a cooked goose… And he wasn’t such a great boxer either… He would have knocked out Frietas if he was… Frietas was terrible. A walking disaster who fought almost nothing but bums until they matched him with Corrales and Diaz.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:50 pm 


SREDMOND

SREDMOND below, correction Floyd beat not dropped Judah but he totally abused him to the body and head

Posted November 26, 2012 5:49 pm 


Anonymous

Tark, what fight did you see?? Floyd DID drop Judah and being off balance does not equal some sort of massive KD…. Anyone who looks decent against Mayweather for a second gets over the top praise, Mayweather was beating and abusing Judah for the bulk of the fight… He had him bleeding and totally out of the game so much so he punched Mayweather in the balls… AGAIN your analysis is laughable, these silly feeling out rounds treated as if FMJ was in jeopardy…

Posted November 26, 2012 5:48 pm 


TARK

Sred…. If you don’t think people conspire to beat other people in this game than you’re full of it… If you don’t think that people in positions of power aren’t cozied up to, and taken out to diner, and given girls to mess around with, before they’re spoken very frankly to, you’re dreaming.. Check out the 2nd Floyd Mayweather-Jose Luis Castillo fight and see one of the judges for that fight had Tyson ahead of Douglas when Tyson got stopped.. Tyson won one (1) round and this crook had him ahead.. This judge shows up for again and check his score for Mayweather-Castillo II.. If Floyd hadn’t won every round they would have robbed him.. However these guys aren’t insane, they’re not going to give that fight to Castillo.. Check out the score for the Froch-Ward fight.. Two of the scores make no sense.. A baby could have scored that fight, but if Froch won 4 rounds he would have gotten it … It’s not just the robberies. The scores often just astound you.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:46 pm 


Boxtradamus

Yeah yeah yeah TARK. The Fight wasn’t close as you envisioned….but hey like you said. You’re not the GREATEST I am….I’d like to SEE Guerrero vs. Bradley. He’d have to fight an entirely different style of Fight because if he tried to maul Bradley he’d get butted into BOLIVIAN. But I’ve SEEN Guerrero try to Box before he DID it vs. Casamayor who was the one trying to maul and brawl.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:34 pm 


TARK

Sred…. You’re a jerk and I never said the was the next coming.. I said he would do well against certan fighters.. That’s all I said.. You can go back before the Maidana fight years ago and I said he would win but it was the wrong fight for him because he had no inside defense or clinching skills.. That his only option was running and he couldn’t do that vs good attackers.. Floyd doesn’t have an attacking style, but he’s still gettng better at it.. Probably if Floyd fought Judah now he’d destroy him, when he fought him he had to come from behind after being dropped and outpointed for a few rounds … Different styles for different folks, and people grow and evolve as fighters.. I expect a different Khan in 2 years.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:31 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, be a MAN for a change, I picked Berto to knockout Robert and I don’t think the result invalidates my logic… That said I was wrong!! Who cares no one thinks you are a sane boxing fan anyway with your conspiracies, complaints and weird interpetations of events….

Posted November 26, 2012 5:26 pm 


TARK

Boxtra…That was a speculative post on Guerrero after he looked extremely weak in his WW debut. I said I knew why they picked Berto, because he could hit Berto with everything, which was spot on. When RG started lifting weights in camp and started looking more like a WW just before the fight I gave him the edge over Berto.. Obviously he hit Berto with the kitchen sink, but he was wide open and gettng nailed very hard in a sloppy brawl just as I predicted.. The character of the fight was exactly as I envisioned.

My analysis was pretty much dead on even early on—but things change as the fight draws closer and you can look at the fighters. Guerrer looked much stronger. I don’t pretend to be the greatest fight picker of all time like you do so I’m going to be wrong at times.. I’m right most of the time, and I put my money where my mouth is.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, NOW you are becoming a flip flopping WORM you thought Khan was the next coming after he beat Zab Judah… I felt he was very good young fighter meanwhile you were slating him to be able to deal with Floyd… You NEVER said that Khan was NOT a good fighter and the reality is that he is good, but he has weaknesses ie his chin… Berto has technical deficiencies and he was beat by two guys who fought the fight of their life… But to say he is NOT good on on par with Tye Fields is a TRASH comment that has no basis in reality, Fields has been stopped 4 times in his career…Reality is that Guerrero beat a GOOD fighter and he went thru ALOT to beat him, those shots he took stopped Quintana who was a spoiler who took Williams and Julios 0 when they were on top and Quintana has fought up till 154…..

Posted November 26, 2012 5:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo, Cosign this was a good night for boxing both in the action and the outcome…

Posted November 26, 2012 5:11 pm 


TARK

Sred, I wasn’t big on Khan you idiot… I said Khan had all kinds of problems with his defense and infighting… I said that forever… I said he had great speed and the right opponents like Judah would make him look really great and fast, but all-around boxer-punchers were going to kill him… I still feel that selected guys will make him look like a world beater.. He could take Malignaggi’s title for instance if he wanted to go to WW because Paulie is a fast, soft punching boxer. He could probably beat the guy who just KO’d Hatton. He looked brilliant aginst Kotelnik and Salito and like an accident waiting to happen against Maidana.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:10 pm 


Boxtradamus

Too bad that Top Rank won’t Fight Golden Boy Fighters unless mandated because the next logical Fight for Guerrero would be Timothy Bradley.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:05 pm 


Boxtradamus

Guerrero saw that Berto can’t Fight going backwards vs. Ortiz and followed the blueprint that had already been set. IF Berto allowed himself to lose in the same manner TWICE then I think the saying goes….shame on HIM.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:02 pm 


te tumbo

Berto did initiate most of Guerrero’s single-fisted assaults by clinging to his weaker hand and inviting Guerrero to unload with his left. also, Guerrero can’t be blamed for exploiting the abilities of a favorable and/or incompetent ref. particularly since he only did it better. Berto was no angel in there and frequently fouled while trying to keep Guerrrero off of him. besides, the lingering glow of this fight among fight-fans is the spectacle of the smaller(?) Guerrero simply taking it hard, high, and low to the presumably bigger, faster, and stronger Berto and not without sacrifice. whatever lofty values, principles, or sensibilities that were violated along the way are precluded by the primal beauty of Guerrero’s charge. Berto was simply bushwacked by a smarter, tougher, and more experienced Fighter and that’s very good for Boxing.

Posted November 26, 2012 4:58 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, the difference between Berto, Guerrero and Tye Fields is that BOTH Berto and Guerrero have been Champions… You guys are so baffled when you see Championship level fighters who have to REALLY earn their money… Ray Leonard did not look like greased lightening against Hearns or Duran and thats because of the level of fighter he was in the ring with….Robert can’t be dinged for taking away Bertos best assett and getting a win… For all the HYPE on Vitali he sure did not look like boxing was easy when Lewis was knocking chunks out of his face… AGAIN neither Robert nor Andre are going to be confused with ATG’s or HOFers but the idea that Berto is NOT a good fighter is simply dumb….He’s just NOT elite

Posted November 26, 2012 4:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Tye Fields was the Champion of what? Get real Berto was and is a good fighter and he was beat in a tough battle by a good fighter…If you are going to ding Berto for losing on the cards to Ortiz and Guerrero then how did you then see Wlad who was getting knocked out by fighters of no acclaim? Berto could rebound and go on to be relevant in the decision… Guerrero did NOT stop him nor did HE (Robert) have an easy night he ate a TON of uppercuts… You’re a JOKE you rave about Wach and any other trash opponent the Klits can dig up but suddenly Berto does not qualify as a good fighter??

Posted November 26, 2012 4:42 pm 


Boxtradamus

“TARK

These two are not P4P fighters and never will be…. Robert is a great guy and I like him a lot, but I don’t see him beating Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley, Alexander, Marquez or Brook at this weight. I can see why the Guerrero team zeroed in on Berto who lost a clear UD to Victor Ortiz. Ortiz is a quitter with no jab and is easy to hit. Robert should catch Berto with left uppercuts, left hooks, liver shots, right hooks, and jabs, but Guerrero looked terrible in his last fight. He took too many punches from a hittable guy with no weapons. The referee aided him by breaking a ton of clinches. I see a very interesting, sloppy, and close fight because they both get hit … Berto is a bigger and stronger welterweight so he may have a slight edge.

Posted October 20, 2012 “

Posted November 26, 2012 4:31 pm 


TARK

Look…. There are a lot of guys Tye Fields can beat.. Don’t give me that crap that Berto can beat a lot of guys.. Berto can beat a lot of schmucks but he’s not going to beat any good welterweights.. He’d have a hard time beating the guy who just beat a rusted out, over anxious Hatton—a guy nobody ever heard of before he fought Malignaggi.. I never liked Berto or thought he had any skill whatever.. He can punch but not defend.. He did better than I expected against Ortiz and that’s it.. There’s nobody at the top level he can beat — about the same deal as with Guerrero, although Guerrero will beat guys on his great will and physical toughness … He’s as tough as Jake LaMotta but has the skill of Carmen Basilio.. That’s who he reminds me of.. A southpaw Carmen Basilio because he’s a super tough WW brawler and mauler who can absorb a ton of incoming, and can’t box.

Posted November 26, 2012 4:28 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Guerrero DID fight a good fighter and his name is Andre Berto… Whats the story now that Berto was average? Nonsense he is a good fighter that simply is NOT Elite or upper echelon at this point…. There are ALOT of guys that Berto can beat on a given night and NO ONE could say he stands no chance in a rematch against Gurrero so lets give an honest account… Would Robert beat Mayweather, Pac, Cotto or Canelo? Hell no but he deserves credit for beating on of the better WW’s hanging around the division.

Posted November 26, 2012 4:10 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Picking them all to win does not mean you predicted anything “-CORRECT. That’s why I didn’t predict them ALL to WIN. I predicted Senchenko to WIN by stoppage and Guerrero to WIN on points and I was CORRECT on both Fights as usual. I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!

Posted November 26, 2012 3:37 pm 


Boxtradamus

Fight Aficionado quit chirping about your HOPES and WISHES that I didn’t predict the Fight for the WINNERS. Go back and sit on the SIDELINES and listen to ME…..I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!

Posted November 26, 2012 3:35 pm 


Boxtradamus

“You were already called out by several ESB regulars for posting multiple picks in the Guerrero-Berto and Hatton-Senchenko bouts.”-And the WHOLE World can CONTINUE to make FALSE claims and they STILL remain FALSE….I predicted Berto and Senchenko to WIN and NO ONE can post where I predicted Hatton OR Berto to WIN. I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!

Posted November 26, 2012 3:33 pm 


Boxtradamus

“SREDMOND

Box, you are WAY off on this fight Berto is often knocked for some of his comp and losing to Ortiz but he is a STRONG, very FAST fighter with good punch variety when he keeps his head… Guerrero gets props for taking this fight but he is going to get knocked out! Watching Berto steamroll Zaveck after losing to Ortiz let me know that Andre is gonna overpower the game Guerrero…

Posted October 25, 2012 ”

I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!!

Posted November 26, 2012 3:31 pm 


TARK

I found it hilarious that Moret warned Berto twice for holding and told him he’d take points—and then never took a point for 12 rounds of holding, grabbing, shoving, bulling, rabbit punching, thumbing, holding and hitting, and basic mauling by both fighters—but 80% by Guerrero.. Guerrero physically grabbed Berto and bulled him to the ropes numerous times, and that’s crap. Guerrero ignored everything Moret said, knowing NO points would be deducted EVER!!! The commentators all said it was “shades of Lennox Lewis vs Michael Grant” when Guerrero was allowed to hold and hit with impunity … Lou Moret is the same jerk who refereed Vitali-Lewis with the same non-calls. Guerrero closed Berto’s eye’s with his thumbs.. He got away with murder in there with Lou Moret.. I picked Guerrero to win because as lousy as Robert’s stance is Andre’s is worse.. I’m sure if Mayweather fights Guerrero he’ll say, “No Lou Moret.”

Posted November 26, 2012 3:27 pm 


Fight Aficionado

See that pic? It’s the portrait of a juicehead who got busted and didn’t want to risk a second positive. Berto without juice = empty shell.

Posted November 26, 2012 3:26 pm 


TARK

If Guerrero ever fights a good fighter he’s going to have problems.. As I wrote well before the fight Berto was out-pointed by Victor Ortiz by a clear margin and Ortiz doesn’t even have a jab.. Berto has a worse stance than Guerrero and that means this should be an easy fight for Guerrero but it wasn’t.. I think it’s ridiculous for Guerrero to get hit with so many hard shots from a 2nd rate fighter.. Guerrero was decked by Casamayor (with a jab) and by Katsidis (obvious knockdown the referee ignored it) and that wouldn’t happen if he had a decent stance.. HIs shoulders are too far back and his face is too far forward. He’s easy to hit as Hell.. Floyd, Pac, Bradley, Marquez, Jones, Brook, and Alexander and a few other guys beat him without the aid of Lou Moret … He’s done a great job positiioning himself for Floyd — but if he doesn’t get that shot good luck.

Posted November 26, 2012 3:25 pm 


Boxtradamus

What happened to defending YOURSELF at ALL times???? Berto was SO beat that he CONCEDED the extra punches to Guerrero at the end of the Fight with NO retaliation….And then I SAW Al Haymon go over and TELL Berto to put his hands UP in the air in celebration….When you stop defending yourself and someone has to TELL you to celebrate that means that you KNOW that you’re BEAT.

Posted November 26, 2012 3:22 pm 


buster Brown

Tito, I see that you’re excited, but that first round knockdown was complete illegal. And what’s up with RG still swinging 5 seconds after the final bell? Still couldn’t ko him. I feel that he didn’t have to be so dirty to beat Berto. Lost tons of respect for this fake gentleman.You

Posted November 26, 2012 3:19 pm 


Boxtradamus

WOW. Herron THANKS for letting ME know that Berto was a 2-1 Favorite! That means that not only did I predict that the WINNER would WIN but I also predicted a WIN for the Underdog to the DISMAY of the MANY Naysayers…..OH and Senchenko was the Underdog TOO. SO the Naysaysers can help THEMSELVES to TWO Servings of Crow Mignon. LMFAO!!!

Posted November 26, 2012 3:16 pm 


Boxtradamus

Guerrero is a MUCH better Boxer than Ortiz and even Ortiz beat Berto. SO Guerrero beat him by a wider margin as he SHOULD have.

Posted November 26, 2012 3:12 pm 


Titopa

SREDMOND – Agreed! Berto’s stance and facial expressions in the first 45 seconds showed us EXACTLY what he was hoping for….Robert saw that too and said, “really? okay bruh, let’s see you try this on for size”….and BOOM! Berto was shocked and HELPLESS after that.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:51 pm 


Titopa

TARK – Dude! Max Kellerman was a DISGRACE that night….I mean, he tried to take the glory away from Robert in the post fight interviews, he fueled Berto’s b*tching about the “the ref this and the ref that”….once again, Robert put an END to that quickly!! It’s the refs job to maintain control, I think he did an ‘okay’ job….yes, Robert was getting away with some things, but I didn’t feel he was “dirty”, he simply did what he wanted and NOTHING Berto did changed it. Berto got WORKED! Plain and simple. The shots Robert threw hurt Berto..it wasn’t the holding that hurt him.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:49 pm 


Boxtradamus

This Sport is called Boxing. Not Bodybuilding. More muscle equals more fatigue. More fatigue equals sloppiness and loss of focus. Sloppiness and loss of focus equals a LOSS on the record books. Berto was SO fatigued that Guerrero was unloading on him after the final bell and ALL Berto could DO was SULK and walk away with his hands down.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, why not cleanse your bloody quiff and stop whining….We all saw Berto get outfought and basically proven to be LESS than we thought he was as a prospect… His early troubles I attributed to youth, but Ortiz and Guerrero show me that he can be figured out and defeated by LESS than elite fighters…. All credit belongs to Guerrero who fought the fight that we never thought he would…. Aggressive, overwhelming and rough… Kudos!

Posted November 26, 2012 2:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Bertos problem became evident to me he has NO legs even though he is a young fighter by most standards.. His fast hands make you forget he lacks quickness of foot… Broner is NOT as fast of foot as a prime Mayweather but he is plenty quicker than Berto and able to adjust and get into and out of position… Berto moves in STRAIGHT lines and he his easily put off balance… He showed NO ability to elude Gurerrero or even get himself off the ropes… Honestly he seemed like he wanted them holding him up…He did the same thing against Ortiz, leaning on the ropes and beckoning….

Posted November 26, 2012 2:30 pm 


TARK

Titopa… That’s a joke.. The whole HBO crew panned Guerrero for holding and hitting… To anyone who’s not a blind idiot it was as obvious as the Enema schnozzle brown nose hanging down on It’s me Ernie’s face.

What do you think all the “Shades of Lennox Lewis vs MIchael Grant” comments were all about??? Watch the fight again and keep your eyes open.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:20 pm 


Boxtradamus

Berto is too flatfooted and immobile. No head movement. He can’t even get out of the way of a a Mack TRUCK. Like I SAID a million times BEFORE. SKILLS and Boxing IQ TRUMPS Speed, Power, and SIZE. Berto agrees with ME on that.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:14 pm 


Boxtradamus

Senchenko WON by stoppage and Guerrero WON on points just as I predicted!!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!! And picking Favorites or Underdogs is no factor in that. Picking the WINNER is.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:07 pm 


Boxtradamus

I missed a day of celebration but I’ll make UP for it today….I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!

Posted November 26, 2012 2:06 pm 


Titopa

Berto’s chin cherry was popped against Ortiz…he’ll never be able to take a solid shot again without wilting.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:03 pm 


Titopa

SREDMOND – Why couldn’t Berto keep Guerrero off of him if he was so worried abut the “dirty tactics”?? that’s the question…and it’s a simple one, because he could NOT. Guerrero imposed his will and Berto failed to neutralize it.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:01 pm 


SREDMOND

Lets be real, Berto threw his fair share of Rabbit Punches in there so it is what it is… Champions find a way to win no matter what and more and more I am subscribing to the mantra of the late Manny Steward you need to go for the stoppage or to REALLY put some hurt on the guy…. Hope Marquez is listening he needs to keep the pressure on not start playing it safe in the latter rounds relying on the judges….

Posted November 26, 2012 1:58 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

“Hi my name is Tark and im idiot expert ..” Realizing there is a problem is the first step to recovery, good for you.

Posted November 26, 2012 1:56 pm 


Titopa

TARK – The “holding and hitting” Robert did in round one was because Berto was holding his right hand with his left….because he was hurt after Robert landed that crisp left hand. The moment Berto’s legs gave way, he held Roberts right hand and didn’t let go, that’s why Robert kept swinging with his left, Berto WAS holding.

Posted November 26, 2012 1:56 pm 


“Tark” the idiot .

Hi my name is Tark and im idiot expert ..

Posted November 26, 2012 1:45 pm 


Anonymous

maybe guerrero was fighting dirty but boxing is a rough sport i bet you wouldn see brandon rios or mike alvarado complain to the ref they just fight through it rios got hit on the low blow couple of times before he never complain you got to be rough back

Posted November 26, 2012 1:41 pm 


Anonymous

it dnt matter at the end of the day berto would of lost regardless it aint that good like people thought he would be i didn see no improvements in him still fight the same way maybe he should of got a new trainer robert knew berto couldn fight on the inside that good that why he went there and stay there berto just dnt know how to make adjustments in a fight

Posted November 26, 2012 1:32 pm 


TARK

I think very few fights are rigged… But I see things that just can’t be overlooked.. Boxing has a history of horrible decisions and insanely biased refereeing.. If it happened with every fight we wouldn’t have a sport and nobody would show up.. But it does happen, and anybody who turns a blind eye to it is stupid.. Do you think Holyfield drew with Lewis?? Do you think Helenius beat Chisora?? Do you think Bradley beat Pacquiao?? Do you think Taylor beat Hopkins?? I don’t think that was people making “honest” mistakes.

Posted November 26, 2012 1:32 pm 


TARK

Punching with a free hand doesn’t mean holding your opponent behind the head with one hand and smashing him with your other hand… That’s holding and hitting, not punching with a free hand—and you can be DQ’d for that because it’s deliberate and a brutal foul, like punching the cup with a loaded hook, where Anthony Peterson was DQ’d against Rios.. Your opponent has to be tying one of your arms up for you to be punching with a free hand—this happened a few times because Berto has poor clinching skills.. But you know Guerrero was guilty of a horrendous amount of fouling that there’s no excuse for.

Posted November 26, 2012 1:23 pm 


SREDMOND

For the record I had picked Berto to knock Guerrero out but I was proven wrong and Robert proved more than strong enough to manhandle Berto and take his shots… Andre was the one having issues taking Guerreros shots early on… Excuses, Excuses…. Nowadays when does a guy just win or lose?? Especially these prime fighters

Posted November 26, 2012 1:16 pm 


SREDMOND

Is anyone surprised that Tark thinks this fight was rigged? Why do you even watch boxing IF you think that everytime a fight occurs there is something shady going on….??? Berto was overtaken in the first round, he tried to fight like someone else and failed miserably, he is top heavy and bottom WEAK… Berto’s is an Al Haymon fighter he has FAR more visibility than Guerrero who earned the lessor purse 1 million for Robert, 1.625 mill for Berto… Whats the incentive to rig the fight in Guerreros favor??? Berto was in a FOTY scenario last year he would have been reborn with a good win…. Face Facts Guerrero WON a rough fight.. He could have easily been dropped or succumbed to Berto’s uppercuts but eh came to win… PERIOD

Posted November 26, 2012 1:13 pm 


TARK

You know “protect yourself at all times” doesn’t apply to after the final bell when the bell has already rang 20 times to try to stop your opponent from punching you.. Berto was like WTF??? and finally just turned and walked away with Guerrero still punching him.. Berto complained bitterly about the referee but he knows he had his own issues with PED’s so he’s really in a tough spot for getting sympathy.. The commentators pretty much could see who was doing the fouling for the most part, and got on Guerrero with their “Shades of Lennox Lewis” comments.. But what are they going to do? If you have a cush job as a commentator you’re not going to make too much trouble for yourself—because the master manipulators behind the scenes are powerful people and thy’re going to demand your head.

Posted November 26, 2012 1:12 pm 


SREDMOND

We can agree that the punches after the bell were over the top but Berto certainly did NOT follow the mantra of “protect yourself at all times” if Moret did not hear or Guerrero was just so caught in the moment its up to the fighter to CYA…. Again that was a tad crazy but oh well, why influence the decision with a 12th round deduction UNLESS it resulted in something crazy…I hated that call against Khan vs Peterson in the 12th it was POOR refereeing to dictate the outcome…. AGAIN Berto had lost LONG before with his poor mans Mayweather-Broner imitation while he was getting tagged and outfought…

Posted November 26, 2012 12:48 pm 


Anonymous

THE GHOUST WAS DIRTY

Posted November 26, 2012 12:47 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, if you have a FREE hand you are allowed by many refs to swing away or work your way out of a clinch… This notion that the ref is supposed to reset fighters constantly or help a fighter being overwhelmed is not always the case.. Infighting is part of the sport and its should be mastered… Andre Ward was able to defeat a perceived stronger and tougher fighter because he was a BETTER and tougher infighter than initially thought (Froch)…. Stop whining sheesh….

Posted November 26, 2012 12:45 pm 


TARK

When has anyone seen a boxer throw as many punches AFTER the final bell as Guerrero did and not be point deducted??? That never happened before.. That bell was ringing like a 5 alarm fire and Robert seemed to be extremely confident no point deductions or DQ’s would ever be coming his way.

There aren’t very many referees who let boxers foul with impunity. But I guess if the financial incentives are big enough WGAS?

Posted November 26, 2012 12:36 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, unfortunately for you fouls are NOT always the province of clowns like yourself who get upset when the fighter you favor is not in there with an opponent who simply follows script… Absent Sanders there has been an excuse EVERY time a guy beats a Klit, the ref, the gloves, the cutman the rules, blah, blah, blah… And sorry boxing does have an element of natiness to it and MOST fighters accept and utilize that aspect to their favor at some point… Robert bullied Berto because that is what it took to win and if you think that he was unusual in his approach then you don’t watch much boxing…. Some fighters have made careers of being brutish and physical, Margarito (absent the wraps vs Mosley) Chavez, Trinidad, Hops, Hagler, complaining is for the weak step up and give a man a reason to respect you in the ring or get beatdown

Posted November 26, 2012 12:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, once AGAIN you try to undermine the nature of Brewsters victory so what his head hurt? Thats boxing if you are in a tough fight with a talented fighter you might not escape unscathed.. We KNOW that Wlad head hurt because he was diagnosed with concussion by Dr Margaret Goodman and sent to the hospital…. The narrative is NOT Wlads winning 5 rounds, the narrative was that Brewster stopped Wlad Klits in 6 rounds…Focusing on the positives in that fight for Wlad is laughable most thought he was DONE after absorbing his second TKO loss in 5 contests….. AGAIN why is it so hard for you to let Brewsters victory stand? Lewis had FAR greater careers than McCall and Rahman but he had some initial BAD nights with those two no need to mitigate….

Posted November 26, 2012 12:29 pm 


TARK

Sred says…, “Boxing is a combat sport, there is an element of ruggedness and nastiness that needs to be present in all boxers” … Spoken like an armchair tough guy. Ruggedness can exist without nastiness. One can be a perfect gentleman and still be a boxer. Simply follow the rules and don’t cheat. Fouling is cheating. You don’t need to foul your way to victory. Boxing is not MMA where you can hold and hit—and elbows, forearms, wrestling, and shoving are all fair play. But even in MMA rabbit punches are not allowed—so this fight went beyond MMA with no points deducted by Lou Moret.

Posted November 26, 2012 12:25 pm 


lefhook

SREDMOND..Well said on the Klitsco stuff. I just cant be bothered with it anymore its been done to death. A 60% Lewis stopped Klit end of story. He was just catching a second wind and was close to sparking Klitsco anyhow. But as i said its getting boring as its bee said a million times and is there for anyone with a pair of eyes to open and view

Posted November 26, 2012 12:24 pm 


TARK

I give Brewster full credit for his win over Wladimir.. Bewster was a great fighter and Great puncher, and I loved when he flattened stinky Foul Poul Golota in 45 seconds.. I’m pointing out that a boxing career isn’t one fight — or a very short title reign of 3 or 4 fights if you’re going to be the best in history — and he who laughs last laughs best.. And the K Bros are laughing more nowadays than Lamon..

I’m not sure about Lamon’s victory party but I’ll promise his head ached the next day from those vicious fight hands from Wladimir that put him down. Lamon takes a great punch, but LB got more fights taken off his chin than Wladimir that night. I promise you.

Posted November 26, 2012 12:23 pm 


Titopa

The Ghost shocked ME with those power shots that hurt Berto…I mean, DAMN! Where did that power come from? It was crazy. Congrats to Guerrero, the boy put up a damn good fight and totally took Berto out of the fight right off the bat with that stinger of a left.

Posted November 26, 2012 12:16 pm 


SREDMOND

Mayweather would beat Guerrero with Lou Moret, Eddie Cotton, Cortez, or Smoger in the ring because like he said post Ortiz “you violate, we demonstrate” REAL fighters fight fire with fire and if Floyd did not like something Robert did his retaliation would be swift and brutal… He punched Shane Mosley dead in the face for trying to twist his arms near the ropes… I despise whiners in boxing its a HARD mans sport and if let someone abuse you then you pretty much deserve it…. Good fight for Guerrero!

Posted November 26, 2012 12:14 pm 


SREDMOND

And Tark apparently Brewster did NOT get the “crap” beat out of him because he was the one launching bombs and sending Wlad to the hospital postfight whereas Lamon was at the victory pary celebrating his upset win over Klits… Jesus are you guys SOOOO small you cannot give a fighter credit for producing a win over your heros? We gotta hear about poison and vaseline LOL!! Apparently the win was enough to prompt Vitali to tell Wlad to hang them up so stop being a revisionist despite Wlads turnaround… I know, I know he was ONLY 45 fights into his career and he and Steward had not worked for YEARS but alas that loss stands and its a credit to Brewster why not let a retired fighter have the respect he earned in the ring stopping Klits…. Goddamn you guys are some GREEDY pigs who want to erase ANY bad moment for the Klits… Unreal

Posted November 26, 2012 12:10 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, who really cares? we all know Wlad has had a superior career to Brewster but ALAS Brewster took him out first and then Wlad got a win AFTER Brewster beat him then got his eye wrecked by Liahovich… Why is is SOOOO hard for you to stomach the beatings Wlad has absorbed without excuses or conspiracies?? Grow up

Posted November 26, 2012 12:03 pm 


TARK

If you look at Wladimir Klitschko’s health and Lamon Brewster’s health — you can basically see who has the health issues from their boxing career — and who has come much closer to mastering the art of boxing… Wladimir has become a better boxer with each fight and Brewster really didn’t progress as much… In the end it really didn’t matter that much that Brewster won their first fight after getting the living crap beaten out of him for 4 rounds … Destiny favors those who persevere.

Posted November 26, 2012 11:54 am 


SREDMOND

Always a TON of excuses when fighters lose these days, Berto did not lose because of Moret…He lost because Guerrero came to win and he was not going to be denied, he took Bertos BEST shots and stayed in his face ALL damn night…Boxing is a combat sport, there is an element of ruggedness and nastiness that needs to be present in all boxers… REALITY is that Berto showed ALOT of weakness by letting a guy who spent the bulk of his career 135 and under push him around, and keep him where he wanted him… Andre Berto has FAST hands and NO legs and thats his problem… Add to that he suddenly decides at 29 to start fighting like FMJ or Broner and you have him booking a loss with his eyes swollen shut… He makes good fights and guys will pay to see him but he has become a WW Amir Khan absent the KO losses…

Posted November 26, 2012 11:46 am 


Anonymous

Yes, brilliant strategy by Ghost – taking advantage of a shot ref. I’m no fan of Berto but my head started to hurt watching all these headbutts. This was a fight chock full of fouls. The first KD Guerrero was holding with one hand and hitting with the other. Between Berto faking a Mayweather and all the fouls, this fight was kind of hard to watch. Most impressive part of the scrap was Ghost’s ability to eat those fierce uppercuts.

Posted November 26, 2012 11:44 am 


TARK

I found it hilarious that Lou Moret warned Berto twice for holding and told him he’d take points—and then never took a point for 12 rounds of holding, grabbing, shoving, bulling, rabbit punching, thumbing, holding and hitting, and basic mauling by both fighters—but 80% by Guerrero.. Guerrero physically grabbed Berto and bulled him to the ropes numerous times, and that’s crap. Guerrero ignored everything Lou Moret said, knowing NO points would be deducted EVER!!! The commentators all said it was “shades of Lennox Lewis vs Michael Grant” when Guerrero was allowed to hold and hit with impunity … Lou Moret is the same jerk who refereed Vitali-Lewis with the same non-calls. Guerrero closed Berto’s eye’s with his thumbs.. He got away with murder in there with Lou Moret.. I picked Guerrero to win because as lousy as Robert’s stance is Andre’s is worse.. I’m sure if Mayweather fights Guerrero he’ll say, “No Lou Moret.”

Posted November 26, 2012 11:40 am 


Rapid

And Berto was saying b4 the fight ” I’m gonna take his man hood, I’m gonna takr everything he stands for in that ring” How’d that work out for you Andre?? Looks like you got a good deal on it!

Posted November 26, 2012 11:29 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

The only health issue in the Brewster bout was Klit’s reaction to leather….

Posted November 26, 2012 11:17 am 


SREDMOND

Guerrero was getting tagged by Berto who I realize has NO legs, Floyd Mayweather would eat Guerrero alive thats an easy fight for Floyd who is not going to lay on the ropes and get bullied like Berto… Andres handspeed is World Class, but his legs are just average, he moves in straight lines and cannot adjust quickly…Floyd is not the lightening bug he used to beat but guys like Guerrero cannot hang with his ring prowess…

Posted November 26, 2012 10:58 am 


Chicago guy

Jailboy Floyd won’t fight Guererro it’s to risky for him.

Posted November 26, 2012 10:46 am 


SREDMOND

Tarks an idiot blaming “vaseline” and Souza for the mightly Klits losses… Two men that are 6″6 1/2 and 6″8 250 pounds respectively were floored by petroleum jelly and an old cut man… Of course very little discussion of the fighters who were in there hurling bombs at their heads and causing damage… As usual the Klit battle cry “they were winning” is heard around the land as if this was some sort of unchangeable fact… Boxing is the LAST sport where that is true and with 5 seconds left a man can indeed be knocked out and LOSE an 11-0 lead on the fcking cards….Damn Brewster and Lewis for not letting the Klits off the hook, what jerks for not letting the Klits maintain their leads…LOL

Posted November 26, 2012 10:40 am 


SREDMOND

This was a tremendous win for Guerrero he went in the ring and did EXACTLY what he needed to do he set the tone and proved to be the more physical fighter,,, Berto was courageous but he should really be ashamed of himself letting a guy with one bout at 147, come to the weight and push him around…What I do respect is both guys fought hard to the bitter end and neither relented… Kudos to Guerrero

Posted November 26, 2012 10:31 am 


lefhook

Tarotrotski… Lewis was toiling to catch his wind but was messuring klit with all sorts of bombs. As i said an old unfit Lewis was more than enough for the robot.

Posted November 26, 2012 9:32 am 


Thor

Why couldnt of that been Kellermans face ?

Posted November 26, 2012 8:34 am 


ozzy

I thought there was way too many fouls in this fight particularly early on. I couldn’t believe the way Guerrero held Berto’s head with his right hand while blasting him with his left right in front of the ref in the first round – yet the ref didn’t call a foul he gave it as a legitimate knock down! The thing that crossed my mind repeatedly throughout the errr “fight” was how much Ricky Hatton would have loved to have had this ref for the Mayweather fight. By far the worse thing about the fight was the commentary by some joker called “the colonel” – he was commentating on some fight he wish was being fought rather than the one in front of him – I had to turn the sound off eventually.

Posted November 26, 2012 5:45 am 


XeloR

F%ck man….Berto looks like E.T. on this pic……hahahaha

Posted November 26, 2012 5:01 am 


El .Viagra

Tark ,always changes the subject,,and its always about” Lewis” or the” Klitschkos”,this article is about “Guerrero ” and” Berto ” ,yet Tark has a way of changing it to other fighters ,,Lets talk about this article .it was a great fight,, with out some knuckle head trying to change the subject ..

Posted November 26, 2012 3:52 am 


Sal . O

Guerrero fought the way he did for a reason ,,Guerrero can box very good and can use his reach well ,,but he had to take the fight to the inside ,,because Berto has long arms and can really punch if you give him the distance ,,so Guerrero worked in the inside ,which of course Berto cant fight in the inside ,,Very smart move on Guerrero’s side …

Posted November 26, 2012 3:45 am 


El .Viagra

I agree Kellerman has to go ,and i mean fast ..Also Roy Jones has to go ..at least Tarvar on showtime was understandable ,he spoke clear and was fair …

Posted November 26, 2012 3:40 am 


JJ

Max Kellerman is the most stupid boxing comentator I have ever seen

Posted November 26, 2012 3:24 am 


te tumbo

my primary concern was Guerrero’s ability to absorb Berto’s shots but i still figured he could and should win the bout. i am surprised that he didn’t rely more on his superior boxing skills to do so. however, he’s also not getting the credit he deserves for the technical superiority he did display in this fight like taking “advantage of Berto’s inexperience and [feinting] with the straight right hand while pounding the leaning challenger with the left hook”. that was beautiful for those who noticed it while it was happening. that tactic alone set the tone for the entire fight with Guerrero never relenting from tryng to land punches. the rough-tough stuff inside was unexpected but Guerrero is obviously a fighter whose committed to 147lbs and at the very least hasn’t lost power relative to his weight-class. he was able to sting, stun, and damage Berto throughout their bout and took Berto’s countershots with relative ease. also, i Loved how he called Berto out on his alibi in progress during the post-fight interview (lol). it sounded as if Guerrero was about to initiate round 13 if Berto didn’t straighten-up and STFU but Quick. anyway, this win didn’t prove that Guerrero belongs in the same ring v. Mayweather. Pacquiao*, Marquez, even Broner perhaps but Mayweather? “Ghost” may have earned the shot but he would likely become a showcase win for Mayweather.

Posted November 26, 2012 3:07 am 


Da UnKnown Comic

Text “Agree” to the UnKnown Comic if you feel Ghost Guerrero has one of boxing’s Top 5 chins.

Posted November 26, 2012 2:16 am 


Anonymous

marcos maidana said he want to fight guerrero devon got to fight kelll brock and he might not even win that fight the way devon looked against bailey i see robert beating devon but devon got a better chin then berto and he more quicker on his feet then berto but i see robert winning that if marquez somhow beat manny maybe guerrero and marquez can fight or guerrero and tim bradley

Posted November 26, 2012 1:41 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

HHLondon knows what’s happening…

Posted November 26, 2012 1:29 am 


PEEJ

WEll I hyave o clue about that, I do know rubbing vasaline on your body will make you sweat more and they do that sometimes when trying to shed weight. But like I said I have no clue. But also this must be said, we have a different opiinon about the fight and I’m sure about other fights. But if a fight is won on a foul but is not called well then really there is no fould. Just like in basketball, a fould is not a fould unless the ref calls it. And this here is boxing so it is a fight and things will happen. Not that I agree with it all but things do happen in the sport. With that beind said I dislike Lewis and I dislike the Klits but there is no denying there greatness in the sport of boxing

Posted November 26, 2012 1:29 am 


TARK

Nope…. Check the video of Lewis-Vitali.. Early in the 3rd round Lewis held Vitali’s head in a headlock and slashed his face with his laces… He slashed open huge jagged cuts on vitali’s left eyelid and cheek.. How many fights has Vitali ever been cut??? How many fights has Lewis won on cutsf??? How many times has Lewis opened deep jagged cuts on anybody’s cheek??? How many times was Lou Moret the referee for a Lewis fight???That will give you a good idea what the odds would be that all those deep jagged cuts all on the same same side of Vitali’s face were caused by legal punches..

Posted November 26, 2012 12:57 am 


PEEJ

Lews beat Vitali plain and simple. And for the record it was Vitalis corner who made that cut way worse than it was. When he wiped it with the towel he tore the cut even more. But Lewis beat Vitali, there was no cheating involved, just one hell of a good punch

Posted November 26, 2012 12:44 am 


TARK

Vitali didn’t lose… Lewis cheated and Lou Moret let him get away with it… Lewis didn’t win any more than Bradley beat Pacquiao or Helenius beat Chisora.. People understand who really won those fights.. The deal is, Vitali was out-boxing Lewis and the fight should have gone to the scorecards because he bulk of the damage was caused by slashing with the laces.

Posted November 26, 2012 12:41 am 


TARK

Lewis wasn’t 2 stone overweight… A stone is 14 pounds and that is just total nonsense.. Lewis’s average weight for his last 6 fights was over 250…so he was good.

Lewis was getting bigger and stronger just like the Klitschkos have over the years.. He was about 6 pounds more than for the Tyson fight because Vitali and Kirk Johnson are much bigger stronger men than Tyson. He needed to be more powerful.

Posted November 26, 2012 12:22 am 


HHLondon

The ref was weak and shouldn’t be allowed in the square again. Fighters quite often need protecting from themselves. The writing was on the wall when the ref stood there playing pocket billiards and neither fighter was made to touch gloves. Give him his pension.

Posted November 26, 2012 12:20 am 


lefhook

Tark… Lewis was well on the way 2 knocking the Klit tfo anyway. Amd by the way he was’nt even fit. 2 stone overweight and no motivation at that stage of his career. The big red only started mouthing off after the stoppage when he heard the crowd boo as well. He had accsepted it was over. Play acting mf that he is

Posted November 25, 2012 11:38 pm 


TARK

Herron….., If you look at your prefight story on your buddy Gogue’s errant analysis on the fight, you will see I was favoring Guerrero getting the nod in the fight… I’m not upset… I enjoyed the foul fest and said I was LMFAO at the fouling which is true.. Especially when Guerrero threw about 20 punches after the final bell… The bell rang about 15 times because Guerrero kept punching… By that time Robert knew he wouldn’t be called or point deducted for any fouls.. “Hey Robert, the fight is OVER.. stop htting Berto” .. Guerrero was like, “WGAS, I love hitting Berto. Who cares if a fight is happening.”

Lou Moret is the same referee who let Lennox Lewis slash Vitali Klitschko’s face open with his laces while he held Vitali in a headlock.. I wouldn’t let Moret referee a dog fight.

Posted November 25, 2012 11:18 pm 


ed

Agreed! “Ghost” arrived just now so needs to take a number and get in line with everyone else and wait his turn unless he beats the other belt holders and forces a case for himself, although I doubt anyone will want to oblige him. Not because he’d good but because they’re not in the business of helping anyone get to where they want. Simply said, start fi ghting an of the top 5 of any of the straps.

Posted November 25, 2012 11:11 pm 


TARK

Herron says….., “What Lou Moret was referring to was the holding and hitting behind the head.” He ALSO warned Berto for holding.. Holding is a foul in case you didn’t know. I’m not in a bad mood dude.. What makes you think that? The fight went exactly like I predicted it would.. I knew it would be a sloppy brawl because neither fighter is a very good boxer.. And I predicted Guerrero would get a unanimous nod.

Nothing to be unhappy about.

Posted November 25, 2012 10:51 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Only interesting match up for the Ghost at 147lbs if he doest get Floyd would be against Devon Alexander..IMO, jr welter is where the action is at for Robert if he doesn’t get a Mayweather fight.

Posted November 25, 2012 9:39 pm 


B Red

If was Berto i would have continued hitting Guerrero behind the head and also hit him with low blows like Trinidad and Cotto do when there in trouble. Guerrero fought a great dirty fight, ya dig

Posted November 25, 2012 9:06 pm 


srog72

That was the worst ref job ive seen since Richard Steele. Guerrero smothering Berto was a great game plan; Berto couldve countered that if he had some footwork. The 2 knockdowns shouldve been negated cause Guerrero was holding Berto’s head and hit him 3 times while doing it. That Ref was really bad he wasnt looking at Guerrero’s tactics of hold and hit, he only saw Berto throwing punches that were hitting Guerrero behind the head and still didnt even take a point to gain control of the fight. Both fighters showed tremendous heart but that Ref had zero control; even look at the end of round 12, Guerrero hit Berto like 4 times after the bell.

Posted November 25, 2012 8:52 pm 


Anonymous

world-you must be from another world lol. The Ghost isn’t great but he deserves props for the upset-yes playa he was expected to lose but he won-he dominated Berto. Here;s something else for you to know-if either Garcia or Rios was scheduled to fight Berto b4 last night they would’ve been expected to lose and thats realtalk. I’m from Philly and I love Garcia but he stopped Khan and Morales playa. Khan was previously stopped in 30 something seconds and Morales been past his prime when people jerry curls were still in style lol-just playn but it’s been a good while

Posted November 25, 2012 8:51 pm 


B Red

Yeah Robert called out Floyd. If Floyd is smart he will take the fight next year and give Robert a beating. Broner would beat the shiznic out of Guerrero too

Posted November 25, 2012 8:51 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Garcia is just too small for the Ghost.

Posted November 25, 2012 8:48 pm 


world

Ghost is not a great fighter…tv is just propping him up. Rios or Garcia would maul him..he is no where near floyd…like not close.

Posted November 25, 2012 8:43 pm 


Anonymous

Joseph Herron- Berto just isn’t as good as some of y’all thought he was. He’s been known as a guy that holds alot soon as his opponent get on the inside. Berto’s corner was telling him he was holding all night-his corner was begging him to stop holding. B4 he sat on his stool they were telln him to stop holding-Berto fights like this everytime. He’s a front runner plain and simple-he has no angles at all-The Ghost took it to him str8 from the start-when a guy like Berto gets dropped twice b4 the end of the 2nd he’s in trouble. I don’t know whats going on in training but he needs a complete make over. He was str8 dominated and couldn’t do anything about it. He does the samething-he’s either not a smart fighter or scared to fight a smart fight. He just let the Ghost walk and push him around the ring-everyone seems mad at the ref but he’s the only reason why the fight was entertaining-he let the fighters fight and fans were mad at him. He didn’t give Berto any hard warnings-just lil things thats it-stop cryn y’all

Posted November 25, 2012 8:33 pm 


Patrick2

In the past, I’ve often been very critical of HBO’s crew, but must admit this time their comments were spot-on. And while there was much holding and clinching, both fighters were to blame. I think BOTH were worried about getting caught with a big shot on the outside. The two negatives: Guerrero was holding onto the side of Berto’s head during the first knockdown, and the ref should have broke the action much quicker at the end of the fight. Kudos to Guerrero for an amazing chin — don’t think too many 147 pounders would have stayed upright after some of the those wicked Berto upcuts. And kudos for Berto for an amazing heart, and effort! You have NOTHING to be ashamed of with that performance, Andre. (A last note: Guerrero reminds me of a very-skilled version of Margarito.)

Posted November 25, 2012 8:32 pm 


Anonymous

Casamayor put the Ghost on his butt so I guess it depends on when and how ur caught. I would think that both Berto and Aydin are harder punchers than Casamayor but then again we have seen Casamayor power on display vs top fighters while Berto and Aydin hasn’t reall shown that power vs top fighters like Casa has vs Chico and Katisis when he was undefeated. Anyway-The Ghost showed a great chin cause Berto got some good leverage on those shots and nailed Robert dead on the chin quite a few times and Robert stood up to everything. Robert can box his ass off-he dominated Berto but I still seen him look better-same can be said for Berto. Berto looked bad-I’m sorry I really enjoyed the fight but Berto looked far from elite-he looked like a freaking prospect. Now we all know why he’s been protected the whole time. Chavez Jr has held his own in more dominant fasion than Berto who was a protected champ-u could make a case for 3 defeats-he will never be an elite fighter-the gig is up-the fat chick is hitting high notes

Posted November 25, 2012 8:26 pm 


Joseph Herron

lefhook, please show me in my write up where I state that Guerrero was technically proficient or skiillful last night?

Thank you…truth be told, I hate that crap. I can’t stand it from John Ruiz, Andre Ward, B Hop, and I didn’t like it from Guerrero.

At the very least, the referee was letting them fight out of it themselves. That’s the only factor that saved that fight from stinking out the joint.

Was it a brilliant fight strategy from Guerrero? yes…in my opinion it was the only way he could win the fight.

Was it action filled? Absolutely.

That’s how I wrote it, but the obvious fans who were pulling for Berto are going to read my words incorrectly.

Posted November 25, 2012 8:21 pm 


lefhook

Imagine Gurrero trying those tactics v a young Hatton

Posted November 25, 2012 7:52 pm 


Joseph Herron

I meant to type shortsighted

Posted November 25, 2012 7:49 pm 


Koolz

Not a lot of boxing skills in that fight but a lot of Brawling I think this was mostly because of the eyes being damaged and puffed up. Not for anything else.
Of course yea that kind of fighting can mess up the other guys speed and rhythm but you can also be caught a lot! and both got caught a lot!
Can’t see either fighter being Thurman though I think Guerrero is awesome!

Posted November 25, 2012 7:49 pm 


Joseh Herron

Wow, Tark…sounds like someone lost some money last night.

He could have tied him up correctly. Berto never once did that to try and get off the ropes.

What Lou Moret was referring to was the holding and hitting behind the head.

You’re in a bad mood, brother…because your posts usually aren’t this shortsided.

Posted November 25, 2012 7:48 pm 


TARK

Plus…. Berto is about as effective at holding as Amir Khan.. Leaving one of your opponents arms free to punch is not the way to do it.

Posted November 25, 2012 7:48 pm 


TARK

LOL Herron says…, “Berto could have easily elected to tie Guerrero up and waited for the referee to break them up.” … Maybe you didn’t hear him Herron.. The referee warned Berto, “Anymore holding and I’ll take points.” … But nice try.

Posted November 25, 2012 7:42 pm 


Tomato Can

This fight was ugly and sloppy, but Guerrero got the deserved win, even with the poor ref job that took place. Mayweather/Pacquiao has already lost it’s luster.

Posted November 25, 2012 7:36 pm 


Lefhook

Ask yourself if Gurrero normally fights in such fashion?? He was’nt standing off under any circumstance. As i say its the safest place to survive on the other guys chest against the Berto type( better technition) or bigger guy.

Posted November 25, 2012 7:28 pm 


The Mad Scientist

I don’t really care to see the Ghost in the ring against Mayweather but if it happens good for Robert..I think Guerrero against any of the top guys from 140/147lbs will be a good fight..I don’t think anybody just hands the Ghost his ass to him without taking a few bumps and bruises first, the guy just knows how to make the best of what his got if nothing else it seems..

Posted November 25, 2012 7:24 pm 


lefhook

J hERRON…Eye you as well lol

Posted November 25, 2012 7:17 pm 


TARK

Herron…. “But it was a brilliant strategy by Robert, even if it wasn’t to your liking.” … I didn’t SAY it wasn’t to my liking.. I LMFAO.. Brilliant it wasn’t.. Savage it was.. Dirty it was.. Outrageously poorly officiated it was.. It was a specticle like the Roman Coliseum.. And don’t you say you wouldn’t have watched the gladiators if you had the chance.

Posted November 25, 2012 7:11 pm 


largo

For Pac/Floyd to happen, Manny has to win against JMM & quite frankly i don’t see that happening; the momentum is in JMM’s favor & he won’t get robbed this time…me thinks.

Posted November 25, 2012 7:06 pm 


Jospeh Herron

lefhook, who are “they”? you’re not referring to me, are you?

Posted November 25, 2012 7:00 pm 


largo

Nothing brilliant about a foul-fest; i don’t fancy Guerrero fighting anybody at 147 & Berto-who i thought was too big & fast for Guerrero-is no longer elite…

Posted November 25, 2012 7:00 pm 


TARK

Kid Blast…. “By the time Pac fights May (if ever), it will be too late and no one will really care any longer.” ..That’s what people say.. But when they fight next year I will be watching anyway—and it will break all gate and PPV records by a wide margin.. An historic event draws a lot people who usually have no interest whatever.. You better believe that promoters will soak the public to see this one.. And if you don’t show up plenty of people will who never saw a boxing match before.. It feels like this fight has been hyped for about 10 years, so it would be kind of like the San Andreas Fault giving way. Nobody believes it until it finally happens.

Posted November 25, 2012 6:57 pm 


LEFHOOK

Tark.. Your right, they hav’nt got the first idea what there watching. Its def because they’ve never been in it or around it. To me all he did was jump on Bertos chest and spoil n foul. SURVIVAL MODE

Posted November 25, 2012 6:56 pm 


Joseph Herron

My first comment is awaiting moderation for some reason…

You know as well as I that Berto could have easily elected to tie Guerrero up and waited for the referee to break them up. He didn’t. He chose to bang it out with Guerrero on the ropes, which is in essence not retreating.

It was a brilliant fight in terms of action and strategy. Robert did an effective job of negating Berto’s strengths…was it proficient inside boxing? No, absolutely not. It was a far cry from Jose Luis Castillo on the inside. But it was a brilliant strategy by Robert, even if it wasn’t to your liking.

Sheesh, Tark…lighten up, brother!! lol

Posted November 25, 2012 6:43 pm 


Joseph Herron

C’mon, Tark…who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?

You know as well as I that Berto could have easily elected to tie Guerrero up and waited for the referee to break them up. He didn’t. He chose to bang it out with Guerrero on the ropes, which is in essence not retreating.

It was a brilliant fight in terms of action and strategy. Robert did an effective job of negating Berto’s strengths…was it proficient inside boxing? No, absolutely not. It was a far cry from Jose Luis Castillo on the inside. But it was a brilliant strategy by Robert, even if it wasn’t to your liking.

Sheesh, Tark…lighten up, brother!! lol

Posted November 25, 2012 6:40 pm 


TARK

Herron…. “Their refusal to retreat was an absolute pleasure to witness.” … How do you retreat when your opponent bulls you against the ropes and uses his head, shoulders, forearms, and hands to keep you there??? The commentators were all saying, “Shades of Lennox Lewis vs Michael Grant” when Guerrero grabbed Berto behind the head with his left and smashed him with rights … Both fighters were dirty as Hell BTW, but the referee was OTL.

Hardly a “brilliant” fight. The word I would use is savage. If you love savagely fought fights—and most people do—this fight was the epitome.

Posted November 25, 2012 6:33 pm 


PEEJ

WEll I picked Berto to win, mainley cause I thought he could KO Guerrero and I also dislike Guerrero. I was wrong and have to give him his props, I haven’t watched but the first 2 rounds but from what Ive read it was a decent scrap. Still not a Guerrero fan but had to admit on my wrong pick. One problem I do have is why in the world did Berto try to use the same style as Floyd or Broner, terrible. Be your own chinney self

Posted November 25, 2012 5:47 pm 


IRON MIKE

Totally agree with KID BLAST, if Mayweatehr and Manny fight to me it will be to little to late, be like fenech Nelson 3 ,screw them both they robbed the fans and the sport , the two things that made them rich, again SCREW them both-peace

Posted November 25, 2012 5:28 pm 


hookoffthejab

i didnt see the ghost employing those tatics before the fight and im sure either did berto but it worked for robert so good for him i really thought his best chance was from a mid range and from outside off the southpaw stance what next for the ghost i really hope its not junior maybe thurman ..LOL

Posted November 25, 2012 5:26 pm 


Anonymous

aydin and berto are hard punchers and most of them shots they hit guerrero with most fighters would of been knockout so for robert to stand there and take them says alot that going to make robert hard to beat cause of his heart and chin and toughness and will and skillls

Posted November 25, 2012 5:18 pm 


Anonymous

yeah most fighters would of went down with that uppercutt berto hit guerrero with those was hard uppercuts and he was hitting robert some hard body shots to robert was in good shape for this fight

Posted November 25, 2012 5:11 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Ugly fight but entertainig..the Ghost is alot better boxer than what he showed last night but I guess he had to do what he had to do to win..good for Robert, goes to show he has good ring IQ to go along with decent boxing skill a strong will and toughness..Guerrero is starting to look pretty strong at welter but his conditioning still seems pretty poor..anyways, props to both fighters for an entertaining scrap.

Posted November 25, 2012 5:05 pm 


Kid Blast

That’s the kind of war that badly damages both fighters. I’m sure Mayweather was watching wthin that perspective. Now he can fight (and handily beat) The Ghost while also giving him his Retirement Package. At the same time , Mayweather keeps his undefeated record well inhand. What an enviable spot to be in. And like someone said last night while noting Camacho’s fight with Duran, by the time Pac fights May (if ever), it will be too late and no one will really care any longer.

Posted November 25, 2012 3:52 pm 


Daly Jr (Juanma, same tranny) likes to touch herself

Whatta war. Congrats Rob!

Posted November 25, 2012 3:38 pm 



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