You’re right art… If he called me a name like that to my face I might smash him into the middle of next July because I have a quick temper. I let it slide because I’m more interested in intelligent communication than hatred. The world is full of hatred because people feel they need to retaliate for wrongs—and that IS totally unnecessary.Posted November 30, 2012 10:41 pm
Joseph Herron’s pathetic ad hominem attacks have ensured I will never read another of his articles. His buddy Marc takes the criticism without spewing bile in return, but Herron defends him as if Marc is his mother.Posted November 30, 2012 2:20 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Blah blah blahPosted November 30, 2012 1:26 am
In this case I’m talking about constructive criticism… Strangers and people you don’t know hate it. Friends know you have their best interest in mind, and thank you for it in most cases. Still, writers who listen to knowledgeable readers will come out ahead. Those who don’t just aren’t very smart.Posted November 29, 2012 8:49 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
The chode wrote: “I’ll literally tear them a new one—and they’ll thank me for it.” Sounds like Iron Mike telling the reporter “I’ll bone you in your ass til to say you love me”, except with less class.Posted November 29, 2012 3:08 pm
Was Mark Twain was somebody’s real name? Writers have been making up names for millennia. This allows them to assume different personas and personalities—and speak their minds without attribution. They can kick the hornet’s nest with impunity. Most people are so thin skinned it’s ridiculous—but after they’ve calmed down and thought about your critique they’re often motivated to take positive action. As long as a critique in sincere and knowledgeable it’s a positive force—and mine are. Boxing is replete with crooks, conspirators, toadies, flatterers, and third rate writers. It’s not virtuous to close one’s eyes to evil or ignore the status quo—but unfortunately if you use your name people won’t share things with you.Posted November 29, 2012 2:21 pm
LMFAO Herron…, I told you I’m NOT a professional writer but I certainly know good writing when I see it. I praise great writing to the skies and pan bad writing for what it is. I praise great boxers and pan talented but stalled out or regressing boxers. With somebody I know well, and I know it’s not going to harm our friendship, I’ll literally tear them a new one—and they’ll thank me for it. In the political sphere I blast critiques at people I don’t know in my own name all the time. I don’t give a damn if they hate me and they have hides like elephants anyway. In boxing and in the business world in general, people are thin skinned. You don’t want to ruin potential relationships so you have to find other ways to nudge people who you don’t have strong relationships with at the time. A lot of times that can mean writing a scathing critique about them under an assumed name. It has to be sincere and ring true of course. However, not everyone benefits from sound advice.Posted November 29, 2012 2:15 pm
Tark, the truth isn’t relative…the truth is absolute…and your opinion is anything but absolute. Your weakness is your ego…it limits your scope of the big picture, brother.
It makes you ultra scrutinizing and somewhat of a creative nazi in this industry. Most good writers that I know of are secretly competitive but would never outwardly slam another professional scribe who has the courage to try and make a living in a very competitive industry that requires a lot of hustle and creativity.
So I seriously doubt that you are a professional or you wouldn’t be so outwardly critical of another writer’s work. Humility with confidence is the secret to achieving any success in any industry.
Tark, you just come across sounding like an a@@hole…one who also has to hide behind anonymity. You will never see me act like a gutless turd who has the brass to slam another writer with a pseudonym.
If you’re that sure of yourself, why hide behind the screen name, TARK?Posted November 29, 2012 2:18 am
Lefthook… One can rally and fade in a boxing match just like a basketball game.. Many Vitali fans thought Lewis was a goner after the 2nd round—and many Lewis fans feel Lewis had things in hand after the 6th.. The truth is Vitali was ahead on points and nobody knows what would have happened. Men have KO’d Lewis with one shot. Another truth is Lewis averaged over 250lbs for his last 6 fights.. Lewis was getting bigger and stronger by the year so he wasn’t 2 stone heavy like you claim.. My point was about Lewis’s fouling tactics allowed by Lou Moret.. The Guerrero-Berto fight raised memories of that fight, because again—it was Lou Moret—and no fouls called … If the jagged cuts in Lewis-Vitali were properly attributed to fouling we go to the scorecards and Vitali wins.Posted November 29, 2012 1:21 am
Herron…. I’m not too critical. I’m dead on the money.
Critics are valuable. They make you better and stronger at your craft. Yes men don’t cut it. Enema schnozzle brown nosers don’t cut it.
Michael Angelo sited his critics as the driving force behind his genius. “My passion was not to please my critics. I wanted to awe them. I wanted to strike wonder in their souls. This drove me to lengths I never imagined in my most ardent dreams. Without my critics I would be a beggar with a tin cup.Posted November 29, 2012 12:11 am
It’s Me, Ernie
WTF does Guerrero have to do with the loss that Lennox put on Klit years ago?…LMAOPosted November 28, 2012 11:45 pm
Tark, every die-hard already knows what happened in the fight…the Livitz article is supplemental and food for thought concerning his future.
You’re being way too critical and everyone can see it, brother.Posted November 28, 2012 11:39 pm
As for the author being rubbish, try it!! lets see cwhat u got…Posted November 28, 2012 11:16 pm
Tark… You never heard me or many people say Lewis was ahead in the Klit fight. What i have said and it right there for anyone to see for themselves is that lewis had weathered the storm n had caught a second wind. He was also landing heavy bombs on Klitsco almost at will. If your not admiting Lewis had turned the tide i can only put it down to bitterniss. Watch the stoppach and tell me Klitsco never acsepted the refs decision then when he stood up and heard the crowd booing started play acting like a sissy soccer player feining injury. He accepted it then cried foul. Watch the ending!! Lewis was on the way to knocking him out anyway. Nobody gets caught that clean from Lewis and survived. You say you know the game???? Tell me Lewis had’nt turned that fight on its head!!! MANNY ALWAYS SAID LEWIS WAS THE BEST…. GET OVER ITPosted November 28, 2012 11:09 pm
@left hook…, You’re a bitter partisan and you don’t like my take on Lennox Lewis’s egregious fouling—or the fact that Vitali was ahead on all cards when the fight was called on cuts inflicted by fouls. However you agree with my take on Guerrero’s fouling because you’re also a Berto partisan. I’m unbiased and knowledgeable. I like Robert Guerrero and picked him to win. The fight itself was extremely entertaining—but many immoral things are entertaining. Lou Moret was the same referee who worked Lewis-Vitali and the commentators called Moret out just as harshly for his non-calls of that fight. He’s the worst referee I’ve ever seen … This article sucks. It’s too wordy, uninformative, snobbish, pompous, and unknowledgeable. It doesn’t tell the reader what happened in the fight. “Can Guerrero dethrone the golden calf?” That’s the kind of pap I’m talking about.Posted November 28, 2012 10:52 pm
Mark..Do a piece on the Great Lennox Lewis, i’m sure that will have you in Tarks good books again. lolPosted November 28, 2012 10:48 pm
Great job as usual, Livitiz…can’t wait to read your next piece.
Don’t listen to the emotional rants of a guy like Tark. He must have lost some money on the Berto fight because he hasn’t been rational since and seems to be on an emotional tirade on how the fight wasn’t a great tactical and technically proficient boxing match.
It’s a prizefight and not dancing with the stars. If people like Tark aren’t okay with that then maybe they should watch figure skating instead.
So Marc, next time you write about a subject that Tark likes, I’m sure he’ll be a lot less scrutinizing of your work.
But until then, you will be treated like an Anti-Christ.Posted November 28, 2012 9:54 pm
What the hell is wrong with Tark?
If I didn’t know any better, I would swear that it was Te Tumbo in disguise.
I’ve noticed a drastic change in the emotional and aggressice tone in Tark’s posts. They’re not as logical or rational as they usually are.Posted November 28, 2012 9:43 pm
Guerro will make millions for getting beat up. Not a bad way to make a living.
Floyd Mayweather will beat Guerrero silly like a paper doll.Posted November 28, 2012 6:36 pm
Whats wrong with the article? Give it a try Tark, you’ll be able to spew your Lennox Lewis bile n give us all a laugh. Lol i’ve seen some sh,’te posted on here over the last4 years by regulars that acctually talk that much they convince themselves that they know the game inside out. Acctually the’ve only watched from affar or the safe side of the ropes. Now we have guys thinking they could write a piece better than an acctual writer, worse still sitting back and criticising a guy thats acctually doing it. Shame on u you never hasbeen…Posted November 28, 2012 6:33 pm
Marc: I’m pretty sure that most here at ESB would agree that more Marcs & less Tarks would be beneficial. Don’t take this troublemaking troll seriously. He’s not worth it.Posted November 28, 2012 5:05 pm
Go get some writing skills.Posted November 28, 2012 4:26 pm
I don’t believe in simply throwing any opinions straight at the reader. My writing can be horrendous to YOU. That’s fair….to YOU. Whatever. There’s plenty of reports on this website that can be more to your liking. Again, thanks for your input and for reading the piece. Now go get some sun.Posted November 28, 2012 3:37 pm
Thanks much for reading, gentlemen.Posted November 28, 2012 3:33 pm
TARK, “not half as terrible” was a backhanded compliment at best ;) Still far too cutesie, I agree.Posted November 28, 2012 1:25 pm
WAY TOO early for this.Posted November 28, 2012 12:46 pm
Saul Alvarez last year had to fight Golovkin for full rounds his trainer made him stay in. He gave a few but Golovkin knocked him around the ring. Saul had a good attitude saying he needed that after there sparring session.
Now people are saying Saul Alvarez could be beat Mayweather? Maybe Saul and Ghost who just can get the job done. Brawl, boxing, Roman wrestling? Hey he get’s it done.
Anyone who keep moving up in weight and wins is Special! Remember that!Posted November 28, 2012 12:35 pm
Stop crying about Guerreros way of fighting, this is a contest between 2 men trying their best to knock each other out, plain and simple, what do you think?Berto is a choir boy, this is a fight, not a game of tabletennis, they have a referee in the ring, if he does not call any infringements, case closed.Posted November 28, 2012 12:18 pm
I don’t agree with art, your writing is still horrendous… You still use a lot of words to say nothing. Do some analysis, have a point of view, and be straight forward. Stop trying to sound cute and literary. You’re not.Posted November 28, 2012 10:52 am
Hell no.Posted November 28, 2012 10:09 am
I would love to see Floyd give Martinez ago as this would prove his greatness, win lose or draw but I understand that the risk reward ratio will be toom much for Floyd who simply does not have the attitude of the ATG’sPosted November 28, 2012 9:02 am
any one think that Floyd mayfight a tough guy that isnèt past his pridePosted November 28, 2012 7:02 am
na hes good no great . and as far as dirty tactics it up to the ref to keep it clean some thing the ref failed to doPosted November 28, 2012 6:03 am
Joe I agree, I used to like him but he’s shown himself to be quite a dirty fighter who uses dirty tactics to offset his opponents supeiror boxing skills, he even said so after the fight,saying he wasn’t going to give Berto the chance to use his fast hands, Guererro is a smart but dirty fighter, heck the first knock-down should never have been scored, he should have got point took off for holding behind the head while punching, illegal move. Floyd Joy Mayweather will toy with him and I hope to see that.Posted November 28, 2012 4:23 am
You guys are making too much out of Guerrero. He has a great chin and is tough as nails period. He’s nothing special.Posted November 28, 2012 2:29 am
This piece isn’t half as terrible as your last. Good job.Posted November 28, 2012 2:20 am
No a rematch with Floyd will do nothing but either get him Ko’d or beat for another 12 rounds. No need for a rematch. If he wins he needs to challenge someone else.Posted November 28, 2012 12:30 am
floyd can fight till his fifty if he fights once a year and chooses lower opposition his a bussines man. one question if marquez beats pacmam should he ask for a rematch with floyd what do you guys think ?Posted November 27, 2012 11:36 pm
Guerrero Is Wannabe MMA Figther
Maybe in StrikeForce, he just needs to practice on submissions. He’s doing good with grappling and striking.Posted November 27, 2012 11:29 pm
It was a good win for the “Ghost” but let’s not lose our mind. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is in a whole different galaxy than Robert Guerrero, it makes sense that he wants the fight (so does every other fighter in and around 147-154) because it changes everything for him, especially, his bank account. This is the kind of fight “Money” would be interested in, little risk with another dominant performance to boast. I wouldn’t mind it happening, but I’d much rather see Saul Alvarez and Mayweather get down to business.Posted November 27, 2012 11:10 pm
If he gets some defense he can be good. Don’t think that he will.Posted November 27, 2012 11:09 pm
WTF????Posted November 27, 2012 10:04 pm