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Boxtradamus

“Trout didn’t win because Cotto is old and washed up”-Well THANK you TARK for schooling Haterdalgo. HE SAID that Cotto was old and washed UP and I just ran with HIS theory and showed him that I am STILL CORRECT no matter what excuse he comes UP with. Trout has a higher combination of SKILLS and Boxing IQ than Cotto….no matter HOW you slice it.

Posted December 5, 2012 1:39 pm 


OCTAVIUS72

Canelo is a puppet for GBP. He does what they tell him to do. They are not going to risk putting their golden goose in the fire with Trout or anyone else they feel stand a chance of exposing him. That’s why they are clammering still for a fight with a Cotto who is WELL PAST HIS BETTER DAYS. It’s a sure win and they know it and on top of that they stand to make TONS OF MONEY because of the significance of the Mexican-Puerto Rican wars throughout boxing history; especially by already announcing they want the fight to be held on a HISPANIC HOLIDAY (CINCO DE MAYO)!!!!

Posted December 5, 2012 2:26 am 


The Prince

As far as the 154 division, Trout and Canelo should fight early in 2013 and the winner gets Mayweather later that year. It only makes sense.

Posted December 5, 2012 1:33 am 


Hidalgo

God, you are the supreme IDIOT, Braggadamus.

Posted December 4, 2012 11:36 pm 


Joel Craig

Canelo has been ducking Trout even before either one of them were camps. Hes not going to fight Trout He The would get a boxing lesson just like his older brother. machete monster I was just curious what fight you were watching. Did ya get a look at Cottos face The only time the fight was ever close was before the bell fot the opening round started, after that it was all Trout.

Posted December 4, 2012 9:53 pm 


Scott

I agree with you that it’s all about hanging onto that “0″. However Cotto did looked washed up against Trout. While I give Trout props for beating Cotto, I also give equal credit to Cotto for Trouts win. Boxers tend to get old overnight and I think we saw that happen to Cotto.

Canelo should be fighting Trout next but GBP isn’t going to allow that. It’s a shame too because I want to see Canelo in against a young hungry slickster. Based on what I saw from Trout last Saturday I think Canelo wins the fight but it would be fun. If they don’t make a Trout fight I’d love to see Canelo take on Martinez, Golovkin, Kirkland, Angulo, Lara. All of those guys would make stylistic matchups and are dangerous. I predict however that GBP will either move forward with a Cotto fight or put Canelo in really soft….again.

Posted December 4, 2012 6:26 pm 


TARK

LOL Boxtradamus… Trout didn’t win because Cotto is old and washed up. That’s not the Cotto who won as many rounds off of Floyd as he did off Trout.. Cotto’s performance prompted Floyd to call Cotto, “The toughest man I ever fought.” WOW!! … Of course Floyd hasn’t fought really tough cats like Trout, Martinez, or Conalo—all of whom would be LOGICAL challengers for Floyd’s 154-pound title … Floyd wants to fight Robert Guerrero…AHEM!! … Cotto preformed OK against Floyd—so why was he suddenly a washed up bum against Trout??? Oh, I get it—Floyd put the final touches on Cotto. Now, Canelo doesn’t want to fight Trout—but he thinks the washed up Cotto is a screamer of an opponent … It all makes perfect sense. It’s all about hanging on to that “0″

Posted December 4, 2012 4:16 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Cotto’s loss cannot be attributed to I.Q. Cotto is a master at his craft. But he is an aging, shopworn master who no longer can execute the skills physically, that exist in his mind”-SO then it CAN be attributed to lack of IQ. He obviously trained for the Fight SO he should already know what he CAN and CANNOT DO. IF he tried to DO something that he can’t DO that’s called lack of Boxing IQ and lack of SKILLS….SKILLS are shown through ACTIONS not THOUGHTS. IF Cotto can no longer perform then he is no longer a master at his craft. SO your statement is FALSE…..He is a FORMER master of his craft not a CURRENT one. …And a race car that can no longer race is a FORMER race car not a CURRENT one….SO I am CORRECT yet again. Trout WON due to a BETTER combination of SKILLS and Boxing IQ.

Posted December 4, 2012 2:59 pm 


Leon B. Little

Alvarez will seriously injure Trout. Trout is fast but has no power. Alvarez will break his face off. Trout only beat Cotto because Cotto had the chickenpox.

Posted December 4, 2012 2:08 pm 


theyiddo

This would be an interesting matchup. Trout has very good skills, but then for me, so does Alvarez. I think Alvarez may just be too strong though if they ever get it on, and win by late KO (10/11) or by 2 – 3 rounds on points.

Posted December 4, 2012 2:01 pm 


Hidalgo

“IF his IQ was higher he would throw Punches that can land more often SO that he can WIN some rounds.” WRONG. Cotto’s loss cannot be attributed to I.Q. Cotto is a master at his craft. But he is an aging, shopworn master who no longer can execute the skills physically, that exist in his mind. Old race cars are still race cars, but if the motor is worn out, it won’t win anymore races.

Posted December 4, 2012 12:49 pm 


Anonymous

Couldn’t agree with you more

Posted December 4, 2012 9:24 am 


psy

The reason a fighter from a developed country, universally recognized as the Mecca of Boxing, would choose to fight in that country, rather than some corrupt 3rd world backwater, likely has more to do with money and quality of life than it does internal or reproductive organs.

Posted December 4, 2012 9:22 am 


Anonymous

Marquez/Cotto at 147!!

Posted December 4, 2012 9:18 am 


Ray Ray

Wow sone boys getting heated on here, ha ha. Alvarez fighting Cotto is pointless now. Mayweather, trout, Martinez who has already said can make 154 easy. These r only options 4 Alvarez 2 gain credibility, not a washed up Cotto. Alvarez had a bit of trouble with a done and dusted Mosley? I wana c this kid tested, Cotto doesn’t have the hunger anymore he’s just cashing in, which is a shame because he’s been exciting now 4 quite a while. Hang them up Cotto.

Posted December 4, 2012 6:37 am 


REM

Hook Trout is also wider his shoulders, arms and chest are fuller it wasnt just height and reach it wasnt even so much height Trouts only 5 9.

Posted December 4, 2012 6:36 am 


REM

A light punching defensive minded jmw pressured and damaged Cotto did that really have more to do with skill than size.

Posted December 4, 2012 6:30 am 


hookoffthejab

i understand what your trying to say REM but the fight was not close if the fight had of been close what you say would be true 119/109 is to big difference for austin though he did easly defeat cotto and more to the point there was nothing cotto could do not because of age or wear and tear but because trout would not allow cotto in to the fight and yes trout is the bigger man in height and reach though there mass (weight) was the same cotto should never of made the trip north of welterweight cotto could have fought better match ups at 66kgs ….

Posted December 4, 2012 6:18 am 


REM

Hook because Trout was significantly bigger with a good skillset himself Cottos skill although better wasnt a big enough difference and the age old boxing saying held true a good big man beats a good little man. The fight was only close which most think because of Cottos skill level. Although Trout outworked and outlanded Cotto Cottos lefthook was the best punch of the fight because of his superior skill level. But Trout was able to work through it because of his size.

Posted December 4, 2012 6:10 am 


huckster

Trout’s jab messed up Cotto’s evening.

Posted December 4, 2012 5:49 am 


hookoffthejab

trout out skilled out boxed cotto so yes REM trouts craft is better cotto couldnt put a dent in austin so how is cottos craft better ..?

Posted December 4, 2012 5:01 am 


Boxtradamus

Well keeping someone off you isn’t needed to WIN in Boxing. Out scoring your opponent or knocking him out is needed to WIN. Pacquiao couldn’t keep Margarito off him and he still WON also Vitali couldnt keep Chisora off him but he still WON. IF Canelo wants to keep walking into the Punches let him DO it. The more points scored the MERRIER.

Posted December 4, 2012 2:37 am 


The Mad Scientist

Boxtra- Cotto was doing good against Trout possibly even winning until fatigue started setting in for Miguel..Trout is a decent boxer but I just don’t see him keeping Canelo off of him since dude is lacking in the punching power department..

Posted December 4, 2012 2:07 am 


Bobfather

MMA is “Ho/mose/xuals rolling around on the ground…”

Posted December 4, 2012 2:07 am 


REM

Smh

Posted December 4, 2012 1:40 am 


Adrian

Does this remind you the same situation mayweather was when he moved up in welterweight? He fought who? Baldomir?? Now we all agree baldomir was not the best welterweight at a time , there were cotto, Williams two undefited champions but somehow maywether smiled them…

Posted December 4, 2012 1:14 am 


Boxtradamus

NO he didn’t. He landed the LOWER IQ Punches…thats why he landed LESS than Trout and got routed on the scorecards. IF his IQ was higher he would throw Punches that can land more often SO that he can WIN some rounds.

Posted December 4, 2012 1:12 am 


REM

Boxtra Cotto landed the craftier high i.q punches thats y they were snapping Trouts head. Trout was frustrated in the middle rounds and it showed on his face he kept grinning from the embarrassment of getting caught with Cottos tricks. And that bouncing leads to some of the best timing in the sport another attribute that falls under the skills category. The only fighter who clearly has better timing is the great Floyd Mayweather. Really Trout is more skilled that the fighter who gave Floyd the toughest fight of his career smh.

Posted December 4, 2012 12:52 am 


Q

Boxtradamus: haha.. I just got what you meant, haha. I agree. Well, the more skilled boxer often does well in MMA also, ask Dos Santos.

Posted December 4, 2012 12:39 am 


Boxtradamus

Q-When MMA is allowed then the more SKILLED Boxer may LOSE. We already learned that in Toney vs. Randy Couture.

Posted December 4, 2012 12:35 am 


REM

Q great example Boxtra Cotto landed the craftier high i.q shots thats y they were snapping Trouts head in the middle rounds the fustration showed on Trouts face he kept grinning out of embarrassment from falling for Cottos tricks. That bouncing movement leads to Cottos tremendous timing and since his timing is better than most it works well for him.

Posted December 4, 2012 12:32 am 


MMendoza

I’d give Trout the winning edge over Canelo but just not an overwhelming advantage because the red-haired boxer kid has a mean, brute punching power and makes adjustments despite the fact that he’s still needs to amp up his competition. A fight with Trout would fit the billing 100%.

Posted December 4, 2012 12:19 am 


Q

Boxtradamus: The more skilled fighter 100% was the loser in Mares Vs. Moreno. Mares fights like slop and is dirty. So styles and other factors make big differences also.

Posted December 4, 2012 12:14 am 


Boxtradamus

Trout’s combination of SKILLS and Boxing IQ are BETTER than Cotto’s and thats what WON him the Fight. IF Cotto’s Boxing IQ were higher he’d stop all that bouncing because it helps his opponent to time him. Trout saw that in the Mayweather Fight and he took advantage of it.

Posted December 4, 2012 12:13 am 


The Mad Scientist

I don’t think Trouts boxing skills are that much better than Cotto’s..Miguel is just to small, old and fades in the second half of a hard fight that makes him sluggish..

Posted December 3, 2012 11:16 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Yes, I agree Canelo beats them all at 154lbs but I want to see the actual results inside the boxing ring..My guess is GBP will be moving ahead with Cotto’s million dollar beating so Alvarez vs everyone else is gonna have to wait it seems..

Posted December 3, 2012 11:12 pm 


REM

Hook i will accept that im alone in what i believe took place i saw what i saw from multiple vantage points so the public cant change my opinion. Hey Paulie saw it like me so ef it Cottos headsnappin shots should have gotten him some rounds over Trouts Jab and straight to the body. Those shots were intense ringside and were high scoring. Trout didnt cleary win the fight imo but im passed that. Now as far as the matchup of skill levels although Cottos slightly more skilled than Trout Trouts combination of size and good skill is what carried the day for him his size helped him absorb those shots well and also helped him do more damage to Cotto even though hes a light puncher at jmw. But ur on crack if u think Trouts craft is superior to Cottos.

Posted December 3, 2012 10:54 pm 


hookoffthejab

the only people on Saturday night who thought cotto was more skilled than trout were cottos one eyed fans ……

Posted December 3, 2012 10:27 pm 


REM

Boxtra ur theory fell apart Saturday night the more skilled fighter was considered the loser.

Posted December 3, 2012 10:10 pm 


Boxtradamus

“If not, Alvarez will come in on fight night at 180-185 pounds and Austin Trout will not stand a chance.”-Why not???? Chavez Jr. came in at that weight and Martinez still SPANKED him. Weight is not the factor. SKILLS is the factor. Please learn more about Boxing.

Posted December 3, 2012 9:59 pm 


Exiled Yank

I hope this fight happens. I don;t care about the analysis, I’m just looking forward to a good fight.

Posted December 3, 2012 9:54 pm 


Love-the-Sport

Austin Trout should not fight Canelo Alvarez — UNLESS — Alvarez agrees to a same day weight limit. I would say 170 pounds is a fair same day weight limit. If not, Alvarez will come in on fight night at 180-185 pounds and Austin Trout will not stand a chance. At that weight, Alvarez will be too strong. His punches will be too heavy. He will be able to walk through anything and everything that Austin Trout throws at him. However, I don’t think Alvarez will have the courage or the discipline to agree to 170 pound same day weight limit. Alvarez is not a great fighter. Alvarez is not a technically great. Alvarez is not a great puncher — other than the huge advantage his weight provides him. If Alvarez comes in at a same day weight limit of 170 pounds — I don’t think he beats Austin Trout. Trout should not take the fight unless Alvarez shows some courage.

Posted December 3, 2012 9:35 pm 


Tomato Can

Hopefully Alverez/Trout will happen soon. I would have to lean towards Alvarez, at this point, but fighting a good sized JMW, like trout could pose problems.

Posted December 3, 2012 9:22 pm 


Tomato Can

Is it true that Pacquiao/Marquez is happening this Saturday? I must say, this seems to be the least ink I’ve seen on Pacquiao since his rise to fame. Seems as though fans are losing interest. If that’s the case, the ppv numbers are going to take a hit for this one.

Posted December 3, 2012 9:20 pm 


Martin “EL BRUCHA” Honorio

Damn! This is a good disposition and argument!

Posted December 3, 2012 9:10 pm 


REM

Q couldn’t agree more i just way my boy Lara to lol expose Annie first. Or at least Canelo will finally have earned all that has been bottle fed to him.

Posted December 3, 2012 9:04 pm 


Q

REM: That’s a very fair point you raise. My point is that… Trout was ALREADY a top 154 pounder, and Canelo wanted to fight the smaller Cotto… but SURPRISE… Trout won in a lopsided scoring affair, and I don’t think it’s right in the least to back out of fighting Trout. You wanted the winner… fight the winner… just like with Ortiz (ww) Vs. Lopez (jr. ww) – Don’t slight Trout now, fight the man…. Lara would have been able to take Canelo out… but that headbutt successfully gave an excuse to not take that problem on. It was clear that Lara was heading the the W. Poor Lara.

Posted December 3, 2012 9:00 pm 


Q

“Alvarez is still only 22, he will just get stronger and better.” – Yeah, he may mess around and be a MW in a year or so. I think Canelo is a potential 154 kingpin… but SHIIIIIT…. FIGHT THE TOP GUYS ALREADY… you know? Is that TOO MUCH to ask for? honestly….. Canelo fans are content with him resting on his laurels… HE DOESN’T HAVE ANY DAMN LAURELS YET TO REST ON…. lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok ok… I’m just about done here.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:56 pm 


REM

Just so people know had Cotto fought Canelo instead of Trout and lost it would’ve but just a name under his belt and only the slightest raise in stock to the knowledgeable boxing fan Cotto had a chance to outbox him because of his superior craft but Canelo is huge compared to Cotto and it would’ve been Canelo beating another smaller man who was never a true jmw who did Cotto beat a jmw to make him ranked so high there.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:55 pm 


Q

te tumbo: ¿qué? Hey dude, Canelo could beat Trout FOR SURE. But…. I’d be so proud of little Annie for stepping in there with a man his size, and in his prime…. in the top 10. To hell and back? Not really, most AM fighters think it’s easier than that… what with ring generalship and boxing SKILLLZZZ

Posted December 3, 2012 8:53 pm 


Q

REM: I would think Canelo wins also, but we’ll have to see… I just want Annie to fight someone, I’m really tired of his big mouth fans saying he’s a legend when he’s not fought… literally, anyone at all. Even beyond his moronic fans, is just the fact that, all these other men are fighting eachother, and he’s not…. it’s disgraceful already.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:49 pm 


Anonymous

Alvarez is still only 22, he will just get stronger and better.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:49 pm 


Titopa

I agree. Broner only has 25 fights and he just destroyed the #1 at Lightweight…and I hear he might jump up to 140 to face Bradley….meanwhile, Canelo is beating??

Posted December 3, 2012 8:48 pm 


Titopa

Q – EXACTLY!!!

Posted December 3, 2012 8:46 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo – I think he can beat those guys….but why won’t he fight them?? Instead of urging him on and posting about him ‘needing’ to face these guys, you find reasons why he doesn’t (or shouldn’t) have to.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:45 pm 


Q

Te tumbo: “because Williams, Cotto, and Kirkland fell through and even Ortiz and Josesito had more name recognition and ring-credibility than Lara or Trout and they still do.” – I believe Lara/Trout/Molina etc were available at 154… what’s your next excuse? Lopez didn’t have more ring cred than anyone, being honest… he was COMPLETELY unknown before fighting Lopez…. completely. Come on, by the way… I’m not a hater on a mission, but you’re a …I don’t know… nevermind… you just need to wake up.. .lol… If Canelo steps up and does something, that will be great. I remember Canelo fans were hating HARD on Broner, but Broner is a two division champion now, who just took out the #1 rated LW in the sport…. he’s about the same exact age as Canelo, with WAY less fights, but a better resume…. don’t you want Canelo to step up and start to make a career for himself like Broner is?

Posted December 3, 2012 8:45 pm 


te tumbo

¿Q?, i’ve already posted several times that i want Canelo to face them all but unlike you and Titopa, it’s not because i think he’ll lose (i.e., Hate). i think he’ll punish any 154lb opponent in a loss or demolish them in a win. Trout only stole Canelo’s thunder thanks to Cotto’s careful matchmaking but if he’s not careful, he may actually find himself in a ring facing the undefeated Alvarez for whom fighting is simply another day in the office and not the epic journey to hell and back that every “American” fighter insists it is in their typically melodramatic fashion.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:43 pm 


Stark

Trout is no joke. I think he’ll give Canelo everything he can handle. If Canelo wins he’s a legit star.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:39 pm 


REM

Thats y i think Canelo will pound him out maybe not k.o but a beating.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:37 pm 


REM

Oh Q no doubt i totally agree that Canelo is unproven at 154 and is very easy to hit honestly even though i acually like him i want to c him exposed for the way gb is babying him imo Laras top dog at jmw and i think hed perform surgery on both Canelo and Trout. I think both Vanes and Molina can beat them too. I just think the shots Cotto landed from Canelo will hurt. Canelo isnt as crafty as Cotto but will land hard shots the kid can punch. I wasnt impressed with Trouts defense Cotto landed some sneaky shots. Trout showed a good beard but hes not a banger at 154.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:35 pm 


Q

Titopa: I think Canelo has potential, and COULD beat all these guys possibly, but his hardcore fans are idiots, who defend him fighting NOBODY by saying nobody deserves to fight him, it really defies all reason. I’m not a Mexican fighter hater or nothing, but man… some Mexican fight fans… do not put much thought into what’s going on… it’s all “la raza!”

Posted December 3, 2012 8:34 pm 


te tumbo

“Cotto was coming off a convincing loss to the #1 P4P fighter on the planet . . .” you can try and dress-it-up as much as you like but it was a meaningless fight set-up by promoters to milk PR and American fight-fans like yourself and “Money” Knew-It. he plucked the cherry and returned to 147lbs because he is under no delusion that he is a jr. middle like you’ve apparently convinced yourself about Cotto. “let’s not forget it’s not Lopez fault he won against Ortiz… but WHY WERE THEY TRYING TO FIGHT A WW ANYWAY?)” because Williams, Cotto, and Kirkland fell through and even Ortiz and Josesito had more name recognition and ring-credibility than Lara or Trout and they still do. anyway, i have no doubt whatsoever that Canelo will be facing these prospects soon enough but i don’t anticipate he’ll lose soon enough to make you happy. YOU’re a Hater on a mission.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:31 pm 


Q

Te Tumbo: “who quote “official” rankings to avoid the documented truth about Cotto’s 154lb ring-resume, which is CRAP” – Cotto’s 154lb resume is more legit than Canelo’s, with that said… Canelo went to the Cotto-Trout bout, because HE wanted to fight Cotto, but Trout upended that plan. Don’t tell me about Canelo being undefeated, he has not fought ANYBODY…. at all. Nobody…. there are two undefeated fighters considered by most as top 10 P4P, and one of them is Timothy Bradley. So you can say there is only one according to many fans. When you step up, you can lose. The other 154 pounders are fighting eachother, who cares about Canelo’s inflated worthless 154 record of tomato cans and done fighters? Meanwhile Vanes and Trout are still undefeated at this point (Vanes but luck of a head clash) So what now? You’ll need to get your facts straight kid. By the way, I don’t think the Mexican competition in Mexico is as good as you think. 99% of the unknown Mexican fighters you ever see, are used as pro debut crash test dummies, being real.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:31 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo – Haha! Canelo probably fought a bunch of paísas who were all pisteados and borachos. That don’t mean….NOTHIN;

Posted December 3, 2012 8:30 pm 


Supreme Court

People have very short term memory…
They have already forgotten about Bute!
Same story: a guy making noise fighting old and tomato can, until his fans and him believed to the hype;
They also reasoned that the other proven forces in the division should fight each other, and their fighter would only fight the winner:
I called it at the time a scam!
Here we go again!
A fighter obviously avoiding top opposition but who wants to be the top dog….waiting for others top dogs to cancel each other…
THAT’s FRAUD!
Bute wanted to face the S6 champion withouth ever facing a top SMW fighters;
And we spends years here arguing….and Te Tumbo agreed with us….
Why should Canelo “sit” and wait for the top 10 to cancel each other when he has never fought himself a top 10 in his entire life?
That’s how we know a promoter and his fighter are involved in “fraudulent” boxing activities.
It also tell us the fighter is not confident….
If Canelo ducks Trout, he will be ultimately exposed!

Posted December 3, 2012 8:28 pm 


Anonymous

TeDumbo …. Didn’t u reel off 20 straight wins in mexiho…all twenty of them with only one arm and all in their debut…only in Mexico!!! Make that one armed women in their pro debut!! Get a clue son

Posted December 3, 2012 8:27 pm 


Titopa

Q – Just stop bro! You’re arguing with a dude who still had Margacheato’s back after he tried to hit Mosley with bricks. He doesn’t care what they’ve done or haven’t done…if they’re Mexican, they’re GREAT in his eyes.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:25 pm 


Anonymous

Besides Cintron, Canelo is yet to fight another 154 pounder…Mexican balls equals STUPIDITY and NO defense…ask Margi’cheato, he can no longer spell his name!!

Posted December 3, 2012 8:24 pm 


Q

Te tumbo: “that’ll be the day when YOU are qualified to speak on behalf of the Raza. step aside brotha, and let me show you how it’s done” – Really now, see when I speak about “la raza”… I say, he’d beat this guy…. he’s just too good, he’s the best, this CHAMPION, and that CHAMPION, aren’t on HIS LEVEL, so I’m ready for them to FIGHT so my guy can PROVE IT. Your idea of speaking on behalf of “la raza” is “He’s great, he doesn’t need to fight anyone” – That’s so WEAK, lol.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:22 pm 


Titopa

Q – When Canelo first starting gaining recognition, I was excited to see him work his way up….I watched all of his fights, anxious to see him be that fighter Mexico’s been missing, but after numerous meaningless bouts, seeing him get a title by fighting Mathew Hatton (at welterweight) and then being sold to us as a CHAMPION made me fall completely out of touch, he’s been sold to us, he’s in NO WAY a CHAMP..he’s merely a title holder who’s yet to fight ANYONE in the top 5 of his division. It’s sad.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:20 pm 


te tumbo

¿Q? Trout was not chosen by Team Cotto because he was a difficult and risky opponent. it just so happens that Cotto overestimated his own potency at 154lbs. along with clueless fans like yourself who quote “official” rankings to avoid the documented truth about Cotto’s 154lb ring-resume, which is CRAP. there’s also no point in quibbling over respective ring-resumes beyond agreeing that none of the current 154lbrs are proven greats but Canelo is the only undefeated. Iid like to see an American fighter survive 40 fights in Mexico and remain undefeated. the only way that would happen is if Mexican balls were suddenly for sale on Amazon. otherwise, they can only be obtained the hard, rough, and tough way: they must be Earned, in a boxing ring, for little to no compensation, and where are you gonna find an “American” fighter with that kind of heart, guts, and balls?

Posted December 3, 2012 8:18 pm 


Jack Dempsey

Canelo Alvarez winning the Jr. middle weight title is like Pacquiao winning the same 154lbs title ..meaningless ,,,Canelo beat a welter weight in Matthew Hatton who was not even rated ,,while Pacquiao beat up a welter weight in Margarito who was not rated in that division …

Posted December 3, 2012 8:18 pm 


Q

Titopa: You’re right, I’d forget about that. He fought a WW for his 154 title, and missed weight.. but people are complaining about folks wanting him to fight a top 10 Jr. MW…. ANY top 10 Jr. MW? It’s nonsensical nonsense, smh.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:16 pm 


Q

REM: Canelo has worse defense and heavy feet. Let’s see what happens, I don’t mind debating what we THINK will happen if they fight, but we need Canelo to step to the plate first. He could win, but he’d be FINALLY fighting top fighters at 154.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:14 pm 


Titopa

Q – Great post!!! I agree. Canelo’s resume is WEAK. Think about it, he fought a 147lber for a 154lb title…..?? Really?? Oh, and Canelo didn’t even make weight for that right LOL!!

Posted December 3, 2012 8:11 pm 


Q

Te Tumbo: come on Tom “Cotto was coming off a convincing loss to welter Floyd” – Cotto was coming off a convincing loss to the #1 P4P fighter on the planet who had won before at 154… SSM on the other hand was coming off two 11-12 round to 1-0 losses and a draw at 154 against a Sergio Mora. That’s trash. That was almost as disgracefully useless a bout as Canelo Vs. the Jr. WW Lopez (oh, let’s not forget it’s not Lopez fault he won against Ortiz… but WHY WERE THEY TRYING TO FIGHT A WW ANYWAY?) Come on man, the guys a fraud. 40-0 against WHAT? he’s not fought 1 top 10 Jr. MW. I don’t hope he losses, I hope he mans up and fights the other top fighters at the weight like EVERYBODY ELSE at 154 is doing. Too much to ask?

Posted December 3, 2012 8:11 pm 


REM

Trout has poor defense and no power Canelo will knock Trout T.F out he will land bombs.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:05 pm 


Q

Te Tumbo: “if it was up to Canelo’s doubters, he would’ve wasted his time demolishing Lara and proving nothing” – Yeah that would have been a BIG waste of time, so he fought a Jr. WW right? – “which would enable his doubters to continue claiming he was too unproven to demand a matchup v. Cotto, who has now proven that he has no business in the same ring v. natural 154lbrs.” – Because SSM (even pre-shot SSM) and Lopez did belong in the same ring as natural 154lbers? Let alone the WW Canelo got his Jr. MW title against – “this is the tangled web that Canelo’s-Haters weave to deceive others into depriving him of recognition; compel him to eliminate ALL of the dangerous competition first; and protect their favorites from having to face him in a boxing ring.” – what? he’s not fighting anybody, what are you talking about nut? – “precisely what real fight-fans dismiss as fanboy and groupie pap.” – Everything you write is “fanboy and groupie pap” you’re arguing that nobody deserves to fight Canelo, while Canelo fights the most shot smallest guys he can find? What is your point bro? I honestly would like to understand.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:05 pm 


El. Chile Grande

To Te Tumbo ,, I know you want to defend your country man” Canelo ” but the truth is there is nothing there to justify him as a true champion ,,,I was born in Mexico and i love the Mexican fighters ,,Olivarez ,,Zarate ,,Cuevas ,,Sanchez,, and of Course Chavez Sr,, but this Canelo kid is a big fake and a hype job from Golden Boy Promotions …

Posted December 3, 2012 8:03 pm 


te tumbo

“you said SSM was a bigger win than Cotto (the #1 rank Jr.MW on a WINNING STREAK, not a BAD losing streak like the SSM Canelo fought)”. actually, Cotto was coming off a convincing loss to welter Floyd and the riskiest challenge he faced during his previous “streak”(?) was trusting a ring-doctor to pull Margarito off of him before he experienced another late-rounds fade and kneel-down. Btw, since you are so familiar with my previous posts, you must also recall that I and ONLY I was clamoring for the “the #1 rank Jr.MW” to Step-Up and face Canelo. the response of shills and fanboys like yourself was “Canelo hasn’t proven himself yet”? pft?! fast forward to last Saturday night and Wtf did Trout prove by defeating Cotto? virtually nothing as evidenced by the fact that not a single ranking has been clarified by the outcome of their bout because it was meaningless beyond being a promotional ploy to set Cotto up for another big payday. Btw, supporting a 40-0 undefeated fighter is not being “milked” but hoping that this same fighter loses ASAP is Hate.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:03 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo – I want to see Canelo fight a prime, highly ranked 154lber….beat him and I’ll shut up! I just cannot and do not see him as TOP TIER 154lber.

Posted December 3, 2012 8:02 pm 


Q

REALTALK: No idea what you’re rabbiting on about. Just let Canelo fight the man, and we’ll see what we see. Just get Canelo from under the GB skirt, and let him mix it with the top 10 at 154… IT’S TIME.

Posted December 3, 2012 7:58 pm 


hookoffthejab

so te tumbo you really believe that canelo is proven than any of these other 154 fighters youve mentioned ? two champs at 154 facing off are you concerned canelo dont have the mettle ? step already canelo and fight “1″ decent 154 fighter or maybe canel should be campaigning at welterweight instead of junior middleweight ……

Posted December 3, 2012 7:57 pm 


Q

te tomba: Lara was heading to winning that bout clearly, Vanes was getting caught with left after left and was lost ..”once again proved to be less than elite v. only solid competition (Molina, Martirosyan)” I bet you’re so so happy that there is an excuse to hide Canelo and his cowardly career. Didn’t you just write that “Molina, Kirkland” are challenges for Canelo? So if Molina did way better with Kirkland than Lara, how do you say Kirkland is a higher bracket, but criticize Lara for that draw? You’re just clueless and can’t even stay to one point bruz. Lara/Trout/Molina/Kirkland etc these men are FIGHTING eachother, while Canelo holds his hands and get’s praised by the Mexican fans who just craze a hero in the sport. What is next? come on man. Canelo has to fight SOMEBODY, he’s not fought one top 154er… who do you say he fights next?

Posted December 3, 2012 7:56 pm 


El. Chile Grande

Canelo the fake will never fight Trout ..this kid Canelo is a prima donna ,,he thinks he is to important to fight Trout or Lara or Angulo etc,,,this is the biggest fake to come out of Mexico ,,Canelo always bragged that he would beat Chavez Jr, but when the Chavez Jr, team would approach the Canelo team about a fight they would back down …

Posted December 3, 2012 7:54 pm 


te tumbo

SUPREME COURT, that’ll be the day when YOU are qualified to speak on behalf of the Raza. step aside brotha, and let me show you how it’s done: F’k Trout. Canelo’s not responsible for dispensing the Obama-bucks in Boxing and Trout’s “hope” looks a lot like HYPE when it is solely-based on one “W” over a ringworn welter who hasn’t defeated a single prime or formidable 154lbr himself. just like with Lara, Alvarez doesn’t prove SQUAT by defeating Trout. particularly if he steamrolls over him in a KO win. not unlike Lara, Trout needs to impress in another marquee matchup and NOT be exposed as average and inexperienced as Lara was v. Martirosyan. notice how NObody is clamoring for that matchup anymore? the very same posters who are now clamoring for Alvarez to face Trout (instead of Kirkland, Molina, or Martinez?) are the same ones who’ve changed their tune regarding Lara. even though they were just as certain about Lara’s chances before he fell flat v. Martirosyan, which is why I insisted that he rematch Molina (his first stutter-step as a 154lbr) to prove that he belonged v. Alvarez. instead, Lara chose the path of least resistance and STILL fell flat(?!) in spite of ALL the passionate but unearned praise heaped upon him by those desperate to prevent Alvarez’s ascent beCause he’s Mexican. don’t twist it and look Stupid by trying to make the case that being Mexican is an advantage(?!?) for Alvarez. if there were such a thing as a 40-0 “American” fighter, he would already be proclaimed the GOAT. as it is, because Judah is “American” he gets gift-decisions and title-shots handed to him on a regular basis —win Or lose— while Mathysse gets the shaft from American scorecards and the undefeated Canelo’s credibility is relentlessly questioned by “American” fans. just like Chavez Sr’s. was at one time and just because he was Mexican.

Posted December 3, 2012 7:51 pm 


Q

te tumbo: Come on Tom, getting past your brown pride nonsense, we don’t need to assume ANYTHING, the fact is, you said SSM was a bigger win than Cotto (the #1 rank Jr.MW on a WINNING STREAK, not a BAD losing streak like the SSM Canelo fought) Come on man, your OPINION is irrelevant, Canelo is a protected fraud until proven otherwise, he’s not fought ANYBODY and is NOT even CONSIDERED the #1 Jr. MW right now, he was already ranked behind two other fighters. You think Canelo would have done better than Trout against Cotto, I think Paulie Malignaggi would knock out Canelo, we both can randomly say whatever we want, you have to go out there and prove it. I’ve seen your post, I remember you from YEARS ago, and you hate on PR fighters and praise Mexican fighters, that’s fine, but don’t kid yourself, Canelo’s resume is trash and he’s flat out protected and unproven while the MEN of 154 all fight eachother. That’s pathetic. Honestly, they’re just milking the Mexican fans by selling these fraud shows. More power to them, smart easy money.

Posted December 3, 2012 7:50 pm 


El. Viagra

I wont get my hopes up high until they both sign their names on the contract ,, Canelo vs Trout …I doubt Canelo and his team would sign anything ,,they are to scare of a real fighter that is young and skill…

Posted December 3, 2012 7:47 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo – So what do you call Canelo’s fight against Lopez?? Don’t tell me that was a matchup to determine one of the best at 154?? I can go on and on about who Canelo’s faced to be recognized (by you and his fans) as a top guy at 154…..easy, NO ONE!!!!

Posted December 3, 2012 7:45 pm 


Ray Ray

Floyd didnt become pnd 4 pnd on a win vs Cotto alone, it’s all his wins and the names of those guys over a period of time, not 1 fight. He has belts I’n 2 weight classes also. Anyways I’d love 2 c Alvarez vs trout. I think Floyd and trout can beat Alvarez. Alvarez is gd 2 watch but all his opponents stand infront of him. Trout could give him real trouble, big, good boxing skills, gd defence and can move, something which Alvarez is not use 2. I’d pay 2 watch that match up I think it’d b exciting

Posted December 3, 2012 7:36 pm 


Supreme Court

Canelo is 2 fights away from greatness: beat Trout, then face Floyd.
If he beats Floyd, a new king is born….
The question is, can he?
Does he have the Mexican balls in the first place?
Barrera, Marquez, would not have fled the the arena like he did….
That’s tell you right there the man is aware about his real value…

Posted December 3, 2012 7:31 pm 


te tumbo

if it was up to Canelo’s doubters, he would’ve wasted his time demolishing Lara and proving nothing, which would enable his doubters to continue claiming he was too unproven to demand a matchup v. Cotto, who has now proven that he has no business in the same ring v. natural 154lbrs. this is the tangled web that Canelo’s-Haters weave to deceive others into depriving him of recognition; compel him to eliminate ALL of the dangerous competition first; and protect their favorites from having to face him in a boxing ring. precisely what real fight-fans dismiss as fanboy and groupie pap.

Posted December 3, 2012 7:29 pm 


Supreme Court

That would be funny…The day they will trompet “Trout who?” or “that fight doesnt make any economic sense”…..Or “Trout has to prove himself”…. Schaeffer is already probing the opinion……They want Cotto…
And Canelo # Cotto would make Te Tumbo swallow his words…
That day, Canelo would officially enter the arena of boxing cowards!
He was there at ringside! No one forced him to attend the fight.
Trout has beaten his older brother in…Mexico!
Canelo, Don’t you dare duck this fight!
Canelo, you are champion because you are Mexican, and the WBC president is Mexican.
If The highest Court is wrong, then tell us which champion you defeated to be champion?
Canelo, you are 43-0-0 , yet you never faced a top 10 at 154;
When Leonard had 38 fights under his belt, he had already fought Hagler once; Hearn twice, and….excuse me Duran 3 time!!!!!!
A real Mexican would not dodge!
Canelo, if you do, then your phenotype may express your genotype: a non-Mexican genotype…
Canelo, take the fight. If you win, you become an instant star.
The world is watching; if you duck Trout, none of you country fellows here will spare you from the universal contempt….
Not long ago, people were saying the same thing about Chavez Jr….
Canelo, your age is no longer an excuse…Bronner is about the same age, and he has already defeated a champion….
Your Turn, Canelo…..Or you’d be baptize CANELORITA…

Posted December 3, 2012 7:18 pm 


srminimo

Te Tumbo- To your point about Lara already losing steam. If Canelo is smart he will face Trout right away. Trout’s name is hot coming off beating Cotto, so there’s probably good money in the fight and a victory will elevate Canelo. And at the end of the day I just don’t think Trout has the firepower to deal with, or keep away rather, a prime Canelo. There’s a changing of the guard in the sport and I doubt guys like Floyd will ever fight Canelo (heck, he won’t fight the smaller Pac), so beating Trout and unifying might be his best choice right now at cementing himself as the man so that he doesn’t have to depend on other names for the big bucks, but rather becomes the big fish by default.

Posted December 3, 2012 7:18 pm 


Proud African

This is one of Paul Strauss’ better articles. He’s maturing as an objective writer. Canelo vs Trout? I personally think Trout can pull of the upset if he sticks to the same style he used against Cotto. Trout should not make the mistake of trying to mix it up with Canelo. Mexicans fighters are very good at face-to-face punching but their weak point likes in fighting technical fighters with stamina.

Posted December 3, 2012 6:51 pm 


hookoffthejab

canelo is the untested one in this mix he has NEVER fought a top 10 154 fighter was gifted the title fighting a welterweight in matthew hatton for the title how canelo and the hype machine goldenshower taking canelos country folk for a ride bring it on canelo fight a top 5 fighter at the very least dont run for austin trout …..

Posted December 3, 2012 6:43 pm 


te tumbo

TITOPA says, “He sure was quick to jump on Lopez after Lopez upset Ortiz” AFter matchups v. Williams, Cotto, Kirkland, and Ortiz fell through. that’s not “quick” it’s desperate resignation. Wtf is it about this sequence of events that is consistently beyond your grasp to understand? “why was Canelo ‘supposed’ to fight Cotto?” to exploit and destroy the illusion of Cotto’s presumed status as a “legendary” 154lbr. there is No Doubt in my mind that Alvarez would’ve defeated Cotto in much more convincing and punishing fashion if it was him in that ring last Saturday night and You can’t deny that I’ve been clamoring for that spectacle all along. IMO, Trout stole Canelo’s thunder and payday but there was simply no way to make Cotto face Canelo.

Posted December 3, 2012 6:28 pm 


REALTALK

As much as we hate to say it its all about money! Why Pacman figthing Marquez again? A waste of time but people will spend money on it!

Posted December 3, 2012 6:23 pm 


te tumbo

“Floyd became the #1 154lber after beating Cotto”. first of all, Floyd is #1 P4P, Period. second, Cotto wasn’t P4P ANYthing at 154lbs. that matchup was essentially two welters agreeing to weigh-in at 154lbs and Floyd only ventures that far up to picks ripe cherries. otherwise, even #1 P4P Floyd knows he’s no middleweight. fight-fans like myself reached the same conclusion regarding Cotto. only Cotto’s fans deluded themselves into believing that Cotto was ever a true jr. middle. however, the very fact that the Mayweather v. Cotto matchup did NOTHING to clarify the rankings at 154lbs tells the true story. it was a promotional matchup NOT part of a middleweight campaign by either blown-up welter.

Posted December 3, 2012 6:18 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo – Another thing. Why was Canelo ‘supposed’ to fight Cotto? According to you, he’s NOT a top dog at 154, shouldn’t Canelo be fighting top dogs? Then why Cotto?

Posted December 3, 2012 6:09 pm 


Titopa

I think Canelo CAN beat Trout….but will he fight him? That’s another story. He sure was quick to jump on Lopez after Lopez upset Ortiz, now that Trout has upset Cotto…..you’d think Canelo would jump on Trout.

Posted December 3, 2012 6:08 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo – Floyd became the #1 154lber after beating Cotto….so tell me, how was/is Cotto not a TOP DOG at 154lbs?

Posted December 3, 2012 6:06 pm 


REALTALK

Q, Explain to me who Trount beat at the 154 that was really good! Cotto was not the best at 154 no matter who said he was! Cotto is a blown up WW, Also Trount could not hurt him nor has this great boxing skill! When he loses and gets KO’D by Canelo it’s because he dose not have the speed that Canelo has nor the power and dose not move his head! He has the reach on him but I am not sure bye how much! You have overhyped about a dude that really did nothing to wow me! Had he Ko’d Cotto I would have been saying this is a good fight! He won against Cotto won’t take htat way from him but its not like he kicked his butt all over the ring! I really want this fight to happen because I know for a fact Canelo will hurt him and out box him too! This dude Trout is really not all that sorry to say! They said bring Mayweather that is another joke! Trout looks like he fight at 160 Which I think is a mistake for him!

Posted December 3, 2012 6:04 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, I can recall not so long ago EVERY Canelo-doubter on these threads threatening mayhem by demanding Canelo face Lara. those challenges have dwindled since Lara once again proved to be less than elite v. only solid competition (Molina, Martirosyan). Trout is no more proven and a win v. the smaller and ringworn Cotto doesn’t prove that he’s an elite middle. consequently, Alvarez gains little more than a payday by accepting premature challenges from every ambitious prospect or contender. demolishing the likes of Lara, Martirosyan, and Trout will prove nothing until they’ve proven themselves against each other, which is the most legitimate way to make their challenges unavoidable.

Posted December 3, 2012 5:53 pm 


tacoBENDER

Q… HE’S 20!!!! .. Josesito was a no good fighter?? ….oh and by the way.. why so much HATE for Canelo?? …he’s good for boxing and always puts on a show. ….once again i R.E.S.P.E.C.T and like Mr. Trout.. all I’m saying is let’s get this fight on and see what each one has… again why the HATE????????????

Posted December 3, 2012 5:42 pm 


te tumbo

Q, what makes no sense is You talking about Cotto as if he was ever a legitimate 154lbr. he wasn’t and what Cotto did as a prime welter is irrelevant to Canelo’s current status as top-dog of the 154lb division. it’s Stupid to think that Cotto wouldn’t have been demolished in even more convincing fashion if it was Canelo not Trout he had faced last Saturday night. bottomline, defeating this Cotto at 154lbs is no indication of how well or bad Trout would do v. Alvarez. IMO, Canelo could defeat Cotto and Trout on the same day.

Posted December 3, 2012 5:41 pm 


Q

Taco bender, you can’t just say something like that without giving a reasoning behind it, oh way… of course you can. If you thought with reason you’d shut up a bit about Canelo… acknowledging the fact that he’s not stepped up once. He has not fought ONE man in the top 10 at Jr. MW… NOT ONE… all the others are fighting eachother whic he fights Jr. WW’s and old done completely shot former WW’s. Come on man.

Posted December 3, 2012 5:27 pm 


Q

te tumbo: That’s pretty stupid. Cotto beat a younger SSM at 147… SSM lost about every fight at 154, and got a draw against Mora, after losing 11 of 12 rounds against FMJ, and before running around from MP (all before fighting Canelo). Trout’s win against Cotto is far more legit than anything Canelo has done. That’s unquestionable. Canelo is in a higher bracket for beating SSM and the Jr. WW Lopez? that makes no sense at all. Cotto was even ranked #2 under FMJ at 154. All those 154ers are in the same bracket, only Canelo is the ONLY one being protected from all the others, they’re “sitting on their collective duff” waiting for Canelo? How ignorant is that? You’re telling me ever man in the top 10 is sitting on their duff trying to fight Canelo? THEN WHO IS CANELO FIGHTING? oh yeah, old BLATANTLY shot fighters and Jr. WW’s. Come on man. Canelo could come out at the top of the division, but he HAS to fight Trout-Lara-Molina somebody. He went to the fight to watch Trout-Cotto, hoping to get a bout with the winner who apparently they thought would be Cotto… but it didn’t happen at all… now he can’t possibly justify ducking Trout… When he was trying to fight the WW, he fought the Jr. WW after winning, so how anyone justifies him ducking Trout, I don’t know. Molina did what to be in a bracket above Trout? What are you talking about? Hey man, as long as he fights one of these men. (I also think FMJ should stay put at 147 he’s not a 154 pounder)

Posted December 3, 2012 5:24 pm 


Lman

For starters, experience and technique aside, if they meet they will actually be fighting a guy their own size for a change….

Posted December 3, 2012 5:24 pm 


tacoBENDER

Q…. Canelo is a flat out beast.. never stepped up?? ..now sure about that, being that he’s dominated every fight. Don’t get me wrong…I like and respect Trout… Let’s just wait and see if De La Joya will let his MONEY COW get into a brawl with SOME doubt Trout.. JUST SAYIN’

Posted December 3, 2012 5:19 pm 


Fedor

Trout by points.

Posted December 3, 2012 5:11 pm 


te tumbo

defeating an older, smaller, and ringworn welter like Cotto at 154lbs hardly amounts to elite middleweight status. in fact, it is less of an accomplishment than doing the same to Shane Mosley who frequently fought at 154lbs v. prime and dominant opponents like DLH and Wright, i.e., Trout’s ring-resume is not “officially” better than Alvarez’s. IMO, Trout remains in the Lara, Martirosyan, Thurman, and Angulo bracket. It is Kirkland, Molina, and Martinez who pose serious threats to Canelo’s undefeated record (i want Mayweather to stay put at 147lbs). i ultimately want Alvarez to face them all but the rest should do their part and sort each other out instead of sitting on their collective duffs arguing over who faces Canelo next. otherwise, all i see is a lot of faces in a crowd and premature claims to “greatness” rather than consistent ring-activity that will narrow Alvarez’s choices. at which point, i have no doubt that Canelo will emerge as the class of the division.

Posted December 3, 2012 5:10 pm 


Q

Hey taco bender, I don’t know, it would be big for Canelo, being that he’s never stepped up.

Posted December 3, 2012 4:48 pm 


Boxtradamus

Trout on points.

Posted December 3, 2012 4:38 pm 


Titopa

This would be a very good/interesting bout! Let’s make it happen, captain.

Posted December 3, 2012 4:37 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

Well, I have to believe that Austin Trout is the better fighter, but we’ll only know once they fight.

Posted December 3, 2012 3:59 pm 


Facts

& everybody doubts ginger bread kid,what his fans think means nada as they’re ok with him cherrypicking 140/147lb & old fighters lol ridiculous.

Posted December 3, 2012 3:43 pm 


greg abernathy

You know he says he want to surpass Chavez but he will not fight the best Chavez fought the best took them all on canelo need to do the same

Posted December 3, 2012 3:40 pm 


tacoBENDER

WOW!!…Now this is gonna be an all out WAR!!.. Trout is underrated no more and Canelo is a BEAST.. Let’s make it happen.. wow.. Canelo by KO in the later rounds.. JUST SAYIN’

Posted December 3, 2012 3:15 pm 


Q

“Canelo fans doubt “No Doubt”” – Well boxing fans doubt Canelo, because he hasn’t fought a top 10 Jr. MW his entire career. Trout is officially the more accomplished fighter.

Posted December 3, 2012 3:05 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

There’s only one way to find out & that’s to match them together in a unification contest! Someone’s 0 would have to go!!…………..

Posted December 3, 2012 3:02 pm 


machete monster

cotto vs trout fight was pretty even up the last four round trout dominated but the scoring was way off

Posted December 3, 2012 3:01 pm 


Q

Of course Paul Strauss the resident bigot of ESB wrote this. So sad, I may stop using this site again.

Posted December 3, 2012 2:59 pm 


Q

Boxing fans doubt Canelo, he’s a fraud ducker professionalized coward disgrace to boxing. He went to the fight thinking he’d fight Cotto, Cotto was handled, now step up to the plate and fight Trout. When you were trying to fight that Welterweight, and he lost to the Jr. WW… you brought that Jr. WW up to Jr. MW…. so don’t coward out of your chance to finally fight a top 10 Jr. MW. With all due respect (not really) Canelo fans are mindless idiots.

Posted December 3, 2012 2:58 pm 



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