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Marcus M

Mayweather has been the one running; Mayweather first stipulated for blood testing and then–even though certain fighters such as Hispanic and Eastern fighters believe that taking their piss or blood before the fight does something to their strength and PacMan grudgingly consented–Mayweather insulted him again by trying to stipulate being paid more, too. A man’s ego is like a rubber band; it only stretches so far. The thing about the blood test was that it could have been done immediately after the fight by reputable individuals and not Mayweather’s illuminati cronies(check Google images–FMM flashes common illuminati signs in more than one photo). That way, a cheater doesn’t get credit plus his reputation is tarnished beyond reproof. This could be contractually done. He’s not running? I can’t tell. Who made the stipulations that he hoped his opponent would not come to terms with; it’s as much stalling as the classroom clown does with the formidable bully when it’s time to fight! Didn’t Mosley have him in serious trouble and gave up as he did in many of his later big fights? Can’t PacMan do what Mosley did even better than Mosley? Didn’t Mayweather have a harder time with Cotto? If I remember correctly, he calls him his toughest opponent. Ever heard the old saying that styles makes fights: funny, how it answers your Marquez argument. Another thing, everyone knows that the Bradley fight was not a loss; even though, Mayweather insists that it was a loss after the fight–justifying in his eyes why PacMan did not deserve to be in the same ring with him. Shoot, Bradley thought he lost and told his father that he tried his best! Every judge had him winning no more than 2 rds. Also, you act as if Mayweather were Ali-like in ability; he’s closer to Larry Holmes with holes in his defense and can not throw more than 3 punches at a time. Ali, Robinson, and Leonard could throw many more than 3 at a time. If Mayweather was like that, then I’d agree with you. In fact, PacMan has shown more of this ability to throw multiple punches than Mayweather. That’s the offensive difference between Holmes and Ali and it reared its ugly head in the Mosley fight. Mayweather is not as defensively bad as Holmes, but he is not Ali-like either and is exploitable by a Mosley like opponent and Pacquiao is about 2 or 3 steps up from Mosley using a similar style(faster with a bigger single punch) of attack. Why wouldn’t PacMan win? You make it seem as though Mayweather hasn’t always had the same aforementioned flaws–as if the Mosley fight was a lapse in concentration, but it wasn’t quickly corrective errors but rather a style problem and that’s why he was scared and had reason to be! Too bad it probably won’t happen now!

After the PacMan Vs. Marquez fight, ‘quez should have been tested. Marquez was beaten to threads prior to the KO. This should be mandatory
practice after fights. Marcus

Posted February 25, 2013 9:47 pm 


Jayroome

Floyd Mayweather jr is a joke Boxing don’t need him.

Posted February 20, 2013 8:31 pm 


Anonymous

BWAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This has to be one of the most ridiculous post ever on this thread. Pac purposely dropped his hands so he could get knocked out so there can be a 5th fight and ruin Mayweathers big payday?Dude! Please get Pacs n@tts out of your mouth and stop being foolish.

Posted February 19, 2013 11:59 pm 


Anonymous

pacman is the best he made history in boxing, so uncomparable, a small and the only boxer who conquered eight divcision in boxing history. that’ the fact

Posted January 5, 2013 10:20 am 


chacos8

I would like to see Floyd vs Martinez, Alvarez has been overrated, we still don’t know what he has, ..

Posted December 16, 2012 2:22 pm 


Perfectsetup

Pac couldn’t make the fight with FMJ May next year before this fight that is why arum’s plan is Pac to loose by 1 punch ko so the 5th is going to be blockbuster or could be biggest in boxing history in term of ppv. Remember Arum said it’s gonna be even bigger that FMJ vs Pac. Obviously, Pac was whipping jmm’s ass in 5th and 6th rounds, his nose was broken, his face covered with blood and can’t even breath until Pac choose to drop his guards purposely. the reason being is Arum is running out of worthy opponents for Pac unless PacvsFMJ. It’s all a perfect setup by Pac and Arum since crazy Mexican fans love to give their money away – simple as that. Think about it people! if Pac was brutally knock out and seriously beaten by JMM do you really think he would fight JMM again? the answer is absolutely not. Remember Hatton was ko by Pac and for over 3 years close to suicidal many time over where as Pac decided to take a 2minutes nap to wake up and declare that he will fight and rise again straight away. Welcome to the world of boxing……

Posted December 13, 2012 8:31 am 


Moonshineman

I would love to see Martinez vs. Mayweather.

Posted December 12, 2012 8:07 pm 


zzap999

Manny took a dive to secure a 5th and 6th for Bob Arum. It’s all about money and popularity and not wins and losses that drive final ticket sales.

Manny even said that he will be the Pac of old, risky, reckless. That’s a hint he was taking a dive. He never said that before. Why now? Definitely not coming from Freddie Roach. That’s Bob Arum talking.

There was no gain in Marquez losing. The 5th fight will be a controversial draw and the 6th will be a Marquez win again. Mexican fans are the majority of boxing fans. So what they want feeds Bob Arum’s pocket book.

Posted December 12, 2012 5:56 am 


zzap999

The punch landed wide stanced, half rotated and never extended beyond the shoulders. Pac dove in head first, guards down into the punch. It only landed and never went through Pac. Side angle shots show the punch never reached beyond the shoulders. Pac CAT scans show no damage to Pacs head while Marquez has a broken nose and concussion.

Pac even bragged about the dive days prior by saying he would be the Pac of old, reckless, risky. That advice is coming from Bob Arum and not from Freddie Roach.

Posted December 12, 2012 5:51 am 


Facts

Floyd loves picking on old or small men.Low risk huge reward lol,it’s always been his motto.135 37 yr slow Marquez was suppose to make him look good.But we all know styles makes fights.Floyd only legit options were Pac/Sergio. He didn’t want pac know he’ll be pressured into fighting Sergio.Wait he’s never fight a threat lol.Guerero,braldey,canelo are his options what a joke for a guy that calls himself the best.Pac/floyd just expose themselves more everyday.

Posted December 12, 2012 1:23 am 


rod

mayweather vs marquez or mayweather fights the winner of marquez vs alvarez. pacman was scared of mayweather just like he is scared of needles

Posted December 11, 2012 10:35 pm 


Anonymous

this article wasn’t misleading

Posted December 11, 2012 8:46 pm 


Anonymous

a few yrs back the welterweights were primed and dangerous . beating the hell out of each other. margarito cotto pacquia paul williams .mayweather fought ricky hatton retired let the storm clear then came out and beat non sterioded juan manual marzuez . And that the truth

Posted December 11, 2012 8:22 pm 


Anonymous

Finally!!! someone gets it right. The best fight out there is Martinez vs. Mayweather.

Posted December 11, 2012 8:01 pm 


frank

Its hard to say when a fighter is in his prime people say tyson was in his prime about the age of 22. lennox lewis seemed in his prime closing in on his mid thirthies . Also matters how much punishment a fighter has taken even in a winning effort..Explosive fighters who relie on power and reflexes like pacman, roy jones ,tyson shine the greatest at a young age . but burn out faster then techinacal boxers like marqquez, wlad klitchko.. short heavyweights marciano joe frazier and tyson have spectacular short careers so you cant say excatly when a fighter hit his prime. But I think its safe to say pacman is past his prime and mayweather I cant say that about

Posted December 11, 2012 7:57 pm 


Ray Ray

Look how many comments r on an article about Floyd? Way more than 3 put 2 of Manny Pacquio ha ha ha keep hating, keep looking 4 excuses ha ha ha

Posted December 11, 2012 7:21 pm 


Ray Ray

I no it hurts but u pactards need 2 face reality. Manny has lost 2 in a row and 5 over all, he is done. He lost twice In a row 2 the counter punching JMM and yet u still think he could roll Floyd who is far more superior n ring tactics than Marquez. No idea. Fact Floyd undefeated, highest paid sportsman, smashes pay per view records every fight, no.1 pnd 4 pnd and yes he will fight Alvarez and Martinez at jr middle. It will b with In the next 3 fights. But I’m sure you will all find excuses when Floyd beats both of them also.

Posted December 11, 2012 7:15 pm 


Anonymous

manny pac already da fighter of the decade,got belts in 8 weightclass which is a record that will never b broken…so whta if he get knocked out to retirement,all the ATG’s are knocked out too!!!The thing that will b remembered is the way floyd maywether avoided a pacquiao fight his whole carreer!

Posted December 11, 2012 6:58 pm 


Scott

The biggest losers are boxing fans and the sport itself. Mayweather vs Pacquaio had allure to it that very few fights ever have. Two guys on top of their games who appear unbeatable and are not just winning but dominating their opponents.

I honestly don’t know who’s to blame for that fight never having been made but that sure was a lot of money everyone passed on! Hard to believe really. Even if Pacquaio comes back and is dominate once again and even if he KO’s Marquez in his next fight that allure is gone. Very sad.

Posted December 11, 2012 6:33 pm 


Anonymous

Well said

Posted December 11, 2012 5:38 pm 


Big George

Smaller guys like Vargas on roids, Bernard Hopkins, sweet pea, Quartey and Mayorga?

Posted December 11, 2012 5:23 pm 


SREDMOND

TYPO=FIGHTER THAT WAS 2 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM

Posted December 11, 2012 4:58 pm 


Anonymous

mike j….good post…we also have to give props to Marquez…many believe his only real loss was to mayweather, who was just too big and slick for him, but his 1st fight he was winning and got disqualified, all his other losses he was robbed or as with Pac, were so close they could have gone either way….so as far as the best of this era it’s still up for grabs….mayweather has the best chance of solidifying that title now…..

Posted December 11, 2012 1:48 pm 


Mike J

Very well said, but I respectfully disagree with some of your points. If Mayweather were to step in with Canelo and/or Martinez, win/lose/draw, his legacy takes a bump and he will get much credit because he moved up in weight to challenge someone he is not “guaranteed” to beat. Also, “best of this era” is an opinion, not fact, and many pundits and fans already consider Mayweather the best of this era (based on opponents, record, overall skill sets, etc.). Who he did and didnt fight of course comes into play, but Pacman is subject to the same criticism. If Mayweather beats Canelo and/or Martinez, again, many will consider him the best of this era. I agree with you in that Canelo is rich in quanity, but not quality, with regards to his opponents. Yet, he is still a huge draw and I guarantee you a fight with Mayweather would do serious numbers, simply because its Mayweather and he’s moving up in weight. As for Mayweather waiting on Pacman to slow down, I agree that Pacman will decrease past his prime at a faster rate due to his style and number of fights, but Mayweather is already past him respective prime as well. Not that far past it, but we can both agree that Mayweather doesnt look like he did at 130, 135, and 140. The longer Mayweather waits to fight Pacman increases the likelihood that he will lose is precious zero. Pacman got brutally KOd, but up until that point, there has been no real talk of him being past his prime. Level of opposition, motivation, distractions…yes, plenty of discussion has been had, but Pacman’s skill sets and ability to beat Mayweather have not been questioned. I’ve been one of those who feel that it would be great for Mayweather to fight Pacman…when is the last time two of the best p4p fighters in the sport have been this close in weight and can actually ink a fight??? BUT, I also feel that Mayweather doesnt need Pacman and Pacman doesnt need Mayweather. If both fighters careers were to end today, both have had illustrious careers, both are future HOFs, both can praised and criticized just like other greats, and both will be ranked in the Top 20-25 greatest fighters of all time. Also, Mayweather is not solely to blame for this fight not happening. He, Pacman, Ellerbe, Arum, Schaefer…the blame can be shared by many. MY belief is that Arum looked to cash in on Pacman as much as he could without risking him in the ring with Mayweather, and by doing that, he matched Pacman up with one Top Rank opponent after another, keeping all the money in house and ensuring that his cash cow continued to win. This KO upturns the apple cart big time…Arum now wants to cash out. SO, some time in the first 6-9 months of 2013, we will have a 5th fight with JMM that is now far more marketable than this 4th fight…Arum wins again.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:13 pm 


Tachyon

Stedman PAC getting knocked out, losing to Bradley, really losing the third fight to jmm makes him the loser. Close fight you say ok, knocked to the north pole different story. You need to wake up and smell what your shoveling.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:49 pm 


STedman

It wasn’t Pac who was going to get PAID 100Mil. So yes, Floyd is the BIGGEST LOSER!!!

Posted December 11, 2012 12:43 pm 


VINMAN

well said!

Posted December 11, 2012 12:38 pm 


Tachyon

Hmm PAC refuses to take random test, gets knocked cold and some how PBF is the loser? Pathetic PAC is the loser and to top it off he whines about juice wen he would not even take a random test.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:35 pm 


VINMAN

C’mon Jackson! Manny may have loss the fight but he is anything but a loser! get real!

Posted December 11, 2012 12:35 pm 


STedman

Floyd has been a loser long before this fight. But letting this fight escape ( 100Mil) and not taking any initiative to want to fight Pac……forcing Pac in effect to continue doing what he’s known for….. keeping active and fighting fighters he knows he may not beat, ….makes him a complete loser. I think his former close friend (50 cent) affirmed just what EVERYBODY already knew….if Floyd really wanted the fight…..we would have known about it prior to Pac/jmm being made. Floyd was going to make more money than Pac, was he not?….Well then, the fact Pac lost means Floyd will never again in his life come close to earning in one fight what he could have earned had he been more active in wanting to fight Pac. Floyd is a two time loser. One, for going to jail, two for losing 100Mil and the third must happen. When will it happen, who knows.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:29 pm 


Hidalgo

“But you can’t find where i said UD ANYWHERE” I can, Braggadamus : In the thread under the article “Pacquiao vs. Marquez IV: Firmly on the Fence, by Paul Strauss, Dec. 6, 2012. Here’s your post, cut and pasted: Boxtradamus

I predict that Marquez will win by UD!
Posted December 5, 2012

Fool. My memory is better than yours. So is my 2012 prediction record.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:12 pm 


Mbuyiseli

Zuk$ I giggled my ass off. Just like when Oscar De La Homo made it a habit fighting a smaller guys and ended up getting pummelled by Pacquaio. I guess I had to laugh at the moron Pacquaio too. I use to say there’s no way in hell Manny beats Floyd. We saw first-hand why he would’ve lost. Lunging in metres away with your chin in the air, plus Manny closes his eyes when he punches, no jab those are all disastrous/detrimental habits against the best pure boxer. Anyways I’ve always wanted Floyd to fight Martinez coz I think he can handle him with ease too.

Posted December 11, 2012 11:01 am 


Anonymous

This what was mayweather was hoping for that the longer he stalled the fight with Pacquiao there was a chance that he would get beat and he did. You could argue that time and age has caught up with pac man him but we will never know who would have won if mayweather accepted the fight two years back when pac man was on a roll and firing

Posted December 11, 2012 10:57 am 


OrangeKronik

How is Floyd the biggest loser? He makes more money than Pacquiao. $40 MILLION, for his last fight. WITHOUT Pacquiao!!!!!!!!!!!! Manny hasn’t even come close to $40 million. Biggest loser is evident….Pac!!!

Posted December 11, 2012 10:31 am 


Anonymous

Rubbish from a ni@@er

Posted December 11, 2012 9:34 am 


Kane

Whos knows whats in Angel Heredia bag of PEDs. Angel will get JMM “Mariods” to pass. The new stuff is getting harder to detect. The man has a long history of supplying drugs

Posted December 11, 2012 9:23 am 


ed

boxtras IQ does not allow him to express anything beyond…..his perceived guestimations.

Posted December 11, 2012 8:15 am 


Ed

Poor floyd….a HUGE loser. Who in their right mind would lose 100Mil for just 36 mins of work? Nearly 3Mil per min. All this because he thought he was in control and would have the last word. Im glad even his ex friend…50….said the same. “What fool lost 100Mil tonight?”

Posted December 11, 2012 8:06 am 


Floyd is a GOAT…face.

I doubt that mayweather* would ever even have the courage to fight a Tommy Hearns.
He’d have gotten ko’d in short order. Leonard would have whupped him also.

Posted December 11, 2012 5:43 am 


Zuk$

@Anonymous

What’s up? Do you think the results will change, boy??? Manny has been down before, blah, blah, blah! Ok…we know! Guess what Floyd Mayweather has been down before??? lol oops NO!

WHO IS THE BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD….??? No no no don’t answer that please!

Go the toilet and play with your hands!

Posted December 11, 2012 4:47 am 


Zuk$

@Mbuyiseli
Correction boy, Floyd Mayweather will make $120m :)

Did you see that Jalalabad KO….???

I still would have loved for Money to put that cheater to sleep…..kwakwakwakwa

Posted December 11, 2012 4:38 am 


Io

Oh really mayb u should learn more about boxing cuz Pacman did not win Marques dam crooked judges but no way that Pacman won Marques those 2 times pacman got mangled over n over n still won wow that’s why Marques had to show him who s the warrior n Marques ain’t that stupid 2 risk his decision over steroids specially after the decision from his last 2 fights with Pacman been taken away n it will b proven 2 all of u idiots that say it was the steroids u’ll c.

Posted December 11, 2012 4:37 am 


Anonymous

Yes but everytime his seen seen driving one of his “8 cars” the first reaction is there goes that coward that didn’t want to fight Paquiao F chicken, but oh well is expected is MW who else could of be!

Posted December 11, 2012 4:21 am 


Anonymous

Coward Floyd just got mangled bad by Cotto……..so what is this Flomo’s World Talking about some delusional shlt beating so and so.. Get outta here.

Posted December 11, 2012 3:07 am 


Anonymous

Now the excuse is arum……………………….FAIL!!!!!

Posted December 11, 2012 3:03 am 


mansworld

Anonymous Floyd will go on to beat Martinez, Alverez and Guerro easy, Who else is out there or even credible you boy got KTFO get over it, I have some Mayweather t-shirts for you and Chicago guy you Manny cheerleader,,,

Posted December 11, 2012 3:02 am 


Anonymous

Its more like Flomo’s world in here. Whew, what a mess.

Posted December 11, 2012 2:59 am 


Mbuyiseli

The biggest losers are the boxing fans PERIOD. When Manny extended his contract with Arum then I knew we shall never see the fight. I was going to boycott the fight due to the slave wages that JMM was going to get. Then something told to watch the fight. After the third fight Manny deserved to be put to sleep. Pactards you all can STFU with the roids story. Always maintained that JMM is best Mexican boxer in the last 20 years or so. Mayweather was gonna get 50-60 mil for the Pacquaio fight anyway. So he can make 80 mil fighting Alvarez & Martinez.

Posted December 11, 2012 2:59 am 


Anonymous

Floyd is first and foremost a Coward, he said so himself and admitted he is a rich coward. Now boxtradamus, go home and take your meds.

Posted December 11, 2012 2:56 am 


mansworld

Anonymous your in denial bro let it go I feel your pain lol, Manny wasnt just koed that was the most brutal ko of our time, Dude he had to be revived with smelling salt how does a man come back from that? Tell me a fighter in modern time came back from such a devistating lost to rule again? Ask Roy Jones after Tarver Ask Foreman after Ali. Ask Spinks after Tyson, Not only was his confidence shattered he has to be concerned about his health the was comatosed Marquez didnt win one round agaisnt Floyd no Manny should sick to politics before he gets killed…

Posted December 11, 2012 2:54 am 


Boxtradamus

Anonymous-Sugar Ray was a complete Fighter but a LESSER complete Fighter than Mayweather. Mayweather’s Boxing IQ is a lot HIGHER than Sugar Ray’s. His Boxing SKILLS are HIGHER TOO. He has the BEST combination of Offense and Defense in the ENTIRE History of Boxing and Compubox agrees with ME on that…..Hearns got beat by Leonard who is LESSER than Floyd SO that tells ME all that I need to know. Hearns was a GREAT Boxer but he always LOST when forced to Fight. Hagler was a GREAT Fighter who could be beat when forced to Box. Leonard could be out fought and out Boxed…..Floyd can Fight AND Box. He does things in the Ring that the AMATEUR eye can’t SEE. He can Fight from distance and pot shot you to death or he can stand right in the pocket and break you down. His Boxing IQ is off the charts. It took Leonard 13 rounds to make an adjustment to FIGHT Hearns instead of Boxing him. It also took him a WHOLE FIGHT and a review of the Fight tape before he made an adjustment to Box Duran instead of Fight him….Floyd makes adjustments by the end of the 2nd round. NO ONE that you can name is any comparison to Mayweather. No one has EVER fought Top level opponents as consistently as Mayweather. He just beat 9 CHAMPS in his last 10 Fights! WOW!!! Who even comes close????

Posted December 11, 2012 2:45 am 


lucky punch

how many mexicans that it take to KO pacman?
-just juan (one)
but
how many mexicans fell through the hands of pacman?
-manny (many)

Posted December 11, 2012 2:38 am 


Anonymous

Pacquiao has been knocked out before and nothing new here. The diffence between him and Mayweather is that Pacquiao is a proven warrior who rises from a setback and proves everybody wrong. Mayweather on the other hand is an opportunistic COWARD who milks all the flomos of their hard earned money while pretending to clean up the sport. Well we all know that Floyd does not reaaly want to clean up the sport and has other reasons, unless you are a flomo.

Posted December 11, 2012 2:14 am 


The Prince

If the drug test for Marquez comes back negative, then Marquez won the fight cleanly. Can’t wait for the test results.

Posted December 11, 2012 2:12 am 


Davis Brown

Your right Prince is a liar. As for now JMP and “P” stands for Peds. This is what it has to take to beat Pacquiao JMP had to be on the juice sticks. Angel heredia says it all. The guy should be banned. Other boxers were shocked to see how much weight Juan Mariod PEDuez was throwing around in the gym.

Posted December 11, 2012 2:03 am 


Anonymous

Marquez did not emerge from this brutal battle unscathed. His face was a bloody mess and was all bloodied up and was getting rocked with blunt blows to the head smashing his nose. Pacquiao was delivering a sustained dose of mini concussions to JMM until it was ended by a safer quick knockout. It is an accumulation of jarring brain trauma killed a lot of boxers. The injury of Pacquioa happens all the time in the NFL, but that of Marquez is the type of damage that is attributed to pugilistic dementia (punch drunk). Marquez although he won, got the raw end of the injuries long term for this fight.

Posted December 11, 2012 2:02 am 


Foreal

Pacquiao got what he derved a 100 times over. Pacquiao refused to take the test just yo make the fight happen. Pacquiao turned down testing with Marquez for their third and even the 4th bout. How do you accuse Marquez of cheating when Pacquiao even refused a paternity test? Pacquiao has been a clear cheat and he got the whooping he deserved and this serves all the Pac idiots right!

Posted December 11, 2012 1:56 am 


The Prince

That’s one thing Pactards don’t get. Had that punch been any harder and we’d be talking about a dead Manny Pacquiao. Manny should retire and call it a career. He had a great run and created a legion of fans. Good for him. He’ll never recover or be the same fighter again.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:54 am 


Foreal

Pacquiao almost died in that ring. How do you dare bring in Floyd over this tragedy?

Posted December 11, 2012 1:51 am 


Anonymous

BOXTRADAMUS! Please don’t mention Floyd Mayweather in the same sentence as the true great Sugar Ray Leonard. Floyd would have gotten his ass beat badly by one of the most complete fighters in boxing history. A prime Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Benitez would have spanked Pretty Boy. Can you imagine Floyd vs Hearns? Ha ha easy KO by the Hit Man. Duran would have decapitated Floyd in his prime. Leonard would have dismantled Floyd all night, and Benitez would have had Floyd missing all night. Boxtradamus, please don’t make me laugh. Those guys were fighters and fought each other. You can also add Hagler to that bunch. These guys were true legitimate fighters, and they would have fought Pacquiao for free. Jose Luis Castillo beat Floyd all over the ring, and you dare say he could beat Leonard? Ha Ha Ha. Enough laughter for 14 years.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:35 am 


Anonymous

jake this Prince is a lame liar and a flomo, and that pretty much says everything.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:31 am 


Foreal

Floyd the loser? People are simply obsessed with Floyd. I expect that from the best boxer of our era. Now, this is terrible hating, Pacquiao is almost killed in the ring. His knock down by Marquez is one of the worst in the entire boxing history and somebody says it is Floyd that has lost? How dumb can a person ever get?

Posted December 11, 2012 1:29 am 


Anonymous

Mayweather wants to clean up the sport ???? Who the h3ll will buy that shlt ??? The flomos will never accept that MayCoward uses all sort of excuses in order not to face a savage fight that he would not be able endure when he faces a real warrior like Pacquiao. Time to change tacks idiots, no one believes that rubbish anymore. Anybody wants to buy the moon ???

Posted December 11, 2012 1:27 am 


Anonymous

Once a year.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:26 am 


jake

Prince what fight did Manny step on another fighters toe ???? especially for a KO win !

Posted December 11, 2012 1:25 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Right, getting ktfo is good for you…

Posted December 11, 2012 1:19 am 


Anonymous

Plodders, oldies, has beens, never that superfight.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:19 am 


The Prince

The boxer stepping on another boxers foot to land a big punch in one of the oldest tactics in the book. Pacquiao, himself, even used that tactic in his fights at times. So that also means nothing. The bottomline: Pacquiao’s own actions of not being his own man and making his own decisions lead to his loss against Bradley and his brutal KO loss against Marquez in a fight which prove the Mexican was always the better fighter. All Manny had to do was take the test and respect that Mayweather was the bigger draw by taking slightly less money. Who knows, he might have pulled off the upset and cemented his legacy. Now, Pacquiao is the biggest loser.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:19 am 


Tomato Can

The majority of fight fans know what causes harm in the ring. However, Manny has taken his share of punches as well, the huge strait right from Marquez was an exclamation point. That punch caused damage, and punches like that come back to haunt fighters in future fights. Boxing isn’t a healthy sport by any means.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:18 am 


big pete

the whole revenue for the fight would have been 150-200 million- dont think floyd would have made 100 mill
maybe around 50-80 mill depending on PPV

Posted December 11, 2012 1:17 am 


Anonymous

Floyd MAyCoward is the No. 1 Loser like this boxtradamus moron that seem to have forgotten to take his medications that is manifested by the delusions of grandeur that he uses to stink this part of the internet.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:17 am 


Anonymous

Check Boxrec, Floyd aint that good really.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:16 am 


Boxtradamus

By the way MY last celebration day isn’t over yet HERE. I SAID that Marquez had Manny timed like a ROLEX and I was CORRECT!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!

Posted December 11, 2012 1:12 am 


Boxtradamus

Shhhhhhhhhh!! Don’t tell anyone that Pacquiao got knocked out while his foot got stepped on. Everyone already SAW that in their LAST Fight. Don’t let the cat out of the BAG that Manny’s a SLOW learner…..When someone does something to you the first time SHAME on THEM. The second time they DO it SHAME on YOU.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:10 am 


Boxtradamus

Floyd just became the UNDISPUTED #1 P4P Fighter in the World without even having to break a sweat. I call that a WINNER

Posted December 11, 2012 1:07 am 


Boxtradamus

Sugar Ray Leonard could NEVER fill Mayweather’s shoes. In FACT no one can. Sugar Ray NEVER faced 3 of the Top 7 Fighters in the World in a row. In FACT no one has, except Floyd. Leonard also NEVER faced 9 CHAMPS in 10 Fights. In FACT no one has, except Floyd. Leonard NEVER faced 18 straight HOT Fighters. In FACT very FEW have, including Floyd. Sugar Ray Leonard cannot be compared to Floyd Mayweather Jr. in FACT no one can.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:06 am 


joe

Rev, Mayweather lost $100 million dollars by not fighting Pacman. Sure he is weathly already but he lost 100 mill to that equation

Posted December 11, 2012 1:05 am 


Rev

You’re kidding right? How did mayweather lose anything here? A payday? Hahaha ok. He’s still undefeated and drives 8 cars. Haterz gon hate. Please quit writting stupid, poorly thought out drivel no one wants to read.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:03 am 


Tomato Can

Well if Marquez purposely stepped on Manny’s foot in order to land that punch, I give him even more credit. That’s incredible, really.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:01 am 


PEEJ

hey that is fighting. Especially when you have a lefty against a righty. Not like Pac has never stepped on anybodies foot. This is a fight.

Posted December 11, 2012 1:00 am 


James

It doesnt help when Jmm is stepping on Mannys foot while that KO punch is being thrown !

Posted December 11, 2012 12:57 am 


Tomato Can

Manny had the choice to be on the cutting edge of a new transition for the sports improvement. He said no thanks, got insulted and his fans backed him on it. Now it’s time live with not knowing if Marquez was clean or not, cause you didn’t care when things were looking good.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:56 am 


Jack.Dempsey

The difference between “Ali ” losing and Pacquaio losing was in the matter in the way they lost…” Ali” was old and had nothing left when he fought Holmes ,,while Pacquiao was still regarded as being still capable of beating Marquez in fact he was the favorite to win the fight ..also “Ali ” retired in his corner at the advised of Angelo Dundee ,,while Pacquiao was brutally knock out….

Posted December 11, 2012 12:56 am 


Tomato Can

Poor Manny just got hammered, and we’re talking about Mayweather? Hell Mayweather gave Manny a chance to help clean up the sport, but he and his fans said no way. What right does Mayweather have to demand us to help clean up the sport with random testing. Oopps, now just maybe Manny got smashed thanks to a dirty sport. Well WTF, he had the chance to clean house, and refused. Now his fans can’t do anything about it…

Posted December 11, 2012 12:51 am 


Mitch

PED master Angel heredia doper Dealer Marion Jones, Bolt, same crap Lance Armstrong and now JMM. PED works

Posted December 11, 2012 12:49 am 


The Prince

Are people still mentioning Margacheato as a fighter Mayweather should have fought? Really??? You haters slay me.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:48 am 


PEEJ

Well said

Posted December 11, 2012 12:46 am 


Tomato Can

Mayweather doesn’t have to feel any shoes but his own, I think his income proves that.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:45 am 


PEEJ

Im not dreaming at all. Yall are judging a book by its cover and I am judging by the proof. Unless I see proof then he is not guilty. That is the good thing about America, you are innocent until provin guilty. Whats funny though is Marquez agree to the random testing with Floyd but Pac wouldn’t. That speaks louder to me than anything

Posted December 11, 2012 12:44 am 


Sal .O

Mayweather will never fill Sugar Ray Leonard’s shoes ,,Mayweather was to scare to fight Pacquiao who stood only 5′ ft 6″inches tall and who was an actual Jr.welter weight ,while Leonard fought a knock out machine in Tommy “Hit man ” Hearns who stood 6′ft 2″inches tall .and who was knocking out all the welter weights and middleweights ,,Sugar Ray would have never avoided Pacquiao or Margarito …

Posted December 11, 2012 12:43 am 


Tomato Can

Live by the sword die by the sword. Pac fans spent 2 years of letting us all know, speculating about a fighter using PED’s means squat. Should we now change things up, for Marquez? If you don’t like it, get the boxing establishment to fix their mess. What the heck you can now call it the Manny Pacquiao no PED fund.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:42 am 


Kevin

Peej your dreaming man. not all tests can detect the new PEDs out today. Look a Lance Armstrong ! Balco labs baby they make the best stuff !!!!

Posted December 11, 2012 12:41 am 


PEEJ

And why is noboyd talking about Pacs weight? They said he used to have to eat to even get close to 147, the past 2 fights he has weighed in at 147 and the next day he was in the 150s. Why no talk of that, maybe Pac was not training properly and that is why he got KO’d, that and a damn good punch

Posted December 11, 2012 12:40 am 


Boxtradamus

I didn’t like predicting that Manny would be stopped but I don’t create the message. I’m just the messenger. Seeing Manny knocked out reminded ME of Ali getting SPANKED by Holmes. The whole World CRIED that day.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:40 am 


Zake

I agree something is wrong with this picture. What I also saw was that JMM or now JMp for Pedquez stepped on Pacs foot while that punch was thrown. Thats a famous Philly / Mexican dirty move. Pac was at a disadvantage from the start. JMP rioded up maxed out on the juice against a natural build like PAC. Shame on JMP Shame on you

Posted December 11, 2012 12:39 am 


PEEJ

I do get it. Same thing Pac did but I never thought Pac was on anything. Same with Marquez. I am 32 years old and I can bench more than I ever could in high school. Becuase I work hard at it. Sorry but hard work and dedication does have its rewards. And Bonds never failed a drug test, I could care less what folks said, yeah other people where caught doing drugs so they didn’t want to go down alone.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:38 am 


Roy Towns

Peejman your way off course. Dont you see a difference in JMM today and a year ago ??? Ever heard of the Barry Bonds transformation

Posted December 11, 2012 12:35 am 


PEEJ

So what you are saying is Nonito is also juicing?

Posted December 11, 2012 12:33 am 


Kevin

Peej just read the info on Angel Hernandez. He is a expert on masking tests. this guy is a pro you cant tell people here that saw this fight that Marquez not on the juice

Posted December 11, 2012 12:32 am 


PEEJ

When you move up in weight you punch harder cause you have more weight behind your punches

Posted December 11, 2012 12:31 am 


@SdAlan

just finished the 2 nd fight and boy Marquez compared to that fight to now. What the heck !!!!!!!!!! Marquez throws his punches like a middle weight. how can one person be this strong all of a sudden ????????

Posted December 11, 2012 12:30 am 


PEEJ

If he was dirty the test would of already came out already

Posted December 11, 2012 12:29 am 


Anonymous

Floyd and co messed the Pacquiao fight up, accused them of taking PEDS, so they probably thought fk you, don’t accuse us of that, don’t insult us.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:28 am 


Kevin

JMM body looks so different his Delts are huge, his abs are ripped. He looks hard. Something is fishy, something is fishy

Posted December 11, 2012 12:27 am 


Nasty KOY BREATH

Mariod or Juan MARIOD PEDquez never punched that hard before. the first Pac knock down sounded like a shotgun going off. Angel congrats for making this already good fighter a SUPER FIGHTER. PEDS ARE KING !

Posted December 11, 2012 12:25 am 


Sal .O

Yeah ,,Ray Leonard never fought Aaron Pryor ,,but the demand was not there for them to fight ..People wanted to see Leonard fight ” Hagler ” in a super fight ..Pryor was great but like Pernall Whitaker ,he could not draw big ratings ..Leonard wanted the super fights where the most money was ,just like Mayweather is doing right now ….

Posted December 11, 2012 12:21 am 


PEEJ

If Pac and his team would of wanted the fight they would of called Floyds bluff with accepting the random drug testing. They offered them 40 mil and if he really wanted to fight him he would of taken that, called his bluff rather than fighting Bradley for 5 mil and losing. Floyd is an all time great at this time. No he is not the greatest but he is still an all time great. Just like Pac is a great fighter. I can easily pick apart his record but fact is he is an all time great also

Posted December 11, 2012 12:18 am 


The Prince

Marquez, himself, said after the 3rd fight with Pacquiao that Floyd would easily beat Pacquiao if they fought. I’ll take his word over anyone else. Give it up, you guys got no where to go with this nonsense. Manny made mistake not fight Floyd, not the other way around.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:18 am 


zdrx

not to rain marquez sunshine…but questions must be asked:

1) why did marquez hire a PEDs dealer?
2) what was heredia/memo/ hernadez, the top PEDs magician in town…hired for?
3) what was the reason behind all this blatant and open action by marquez?

congratz marquez…with heredia around………i hope you’re clean. LOL

Posted December 11, 2012 12:18 am 


Tomato Can

Nope, the biggest loser was Manny Pacquiao, that was his last 25 million dollar pay day. And his entourage knows it, that’s why they scattered like bugs, after his loss.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:17 am 


The Duke

Right now the best fight is Juan Mariod PEDquez. JMP with his newfound body and special PED trainer Angel Heredia is a force to be reckon with. Watch out Mayweather this is not JMM this is JMP !

Posted December 11, 2012 12:17 am 


Anonymous

Leonard had already proved himself and had career defining fights against Duran and Hearns before Pryor.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:15 am 


Tomato Can

LMAO, I wonder what it must feel like to know you’re going to make an easy 25 million plus in you’re next fight, no matter who you face, and have fools think that you were the biggest loser, cause the guy you were suppose to fight got smashed.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:14 am 


Jack.Dempsey

If people know about boxing like they claim on this web page ,,they would know that Mayweather easily beating Marquez ,,and that Marquez beating Pacquiao ,,does not mean anything ,,,Just because Mayweather beat Marquez does not mean that he would have beaten Pacquiao ,,,there is a lot of rookies posting their opinions on this web page that dont know sh-t ….

Posted December 11, 2012 12:10 am 


Lol

Mayweather will crap his pants if he ever has to fight Pacquiao.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:08 am 


The Prince

Sugar Ray Leonard never fought Pryor, but most historians rank Leonard as the best fighter of the 80′s compared to everyone else. The same will be true for Floyd Mayweather. Yeah, I know it hurts.

Posted December 11, 2012 12:07 am 


zdrx

who are you fooling? floid can not offer anything…he’s broke! he’s just a boxer not the promoter. he’s not HBO or the paying public. he has to fight to earn his keep

Posted December 11, 2012 12:03 am 


Jack.Dempsey

I definitely agree that Mayweather is the biggest loser out of this fight between Marquez and Pacquiao ,, First ,,Mayweather lost out on around $50.000.000 to $60.000.000 million dollars,, “Second “,,, the most important for his career is that Mayweather will go down in history as a fighter to claim he was the best but avoided the the fighter ( Pacquiao ) to prove he was the best …

Posted December 11, 2012 12:01 am 


Sal .O

This writer is correct ,,in that Mayweather is the biggest loser .because historians will always list Mayweather as a great fighter but a fighter that avoided the best during his time ,,Mayweather should have face Pacquiao in the ring ,, it does not matter whether Mayweather would have beaten Pacquiao ,,he should have prove it ,,,

Posted December 10, 2012 11:51 pm 


Tomato Can

Marquez will be known for landing that huge shot on Manny. Manny will be known for his great achievements, but the photo of him with his face in the canvas will never go away… Mayweather will be known for being a damn good fighter that didn’t fight Manny, but toyed with Marquez. Thus 100 years from now, the 7 out of 10 of the experts will say Mayweather was the best of the three.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:50 pm 


Ike

Money just lost a guaranteed $50 mil payday because of greed & ego. After Pacquaio, no one else brings FM that kind of payday. Floyd is great fighter, one of the best of my lifetime. But it’s just so frustrating & disappointing that he doesn’t strive for greatness. Boxing greatness isn’t measured solely by being undefeated. It’s measured by fighting and beating the best when they’re at their best. This “most money for the least risk” mentality will always stop him from being universally considered THE best off all time.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:49 pm 


zdrx

how floid got in here? this is a mexican holiday. floidiots got no right to dip their fingers into this celebration. bum and cowards……..OUT!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Posted December 10, 2012 11:46 pm 


History of Boxing

It will be looking back at Pacquiao v Marquez fights etc, fighters, not Mayweather and who he didn’t want to fight and avoided, he will be forgotten long before those fighters.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:43 pm 


tim_sss

This article is rubbish. Floyd never wanted to fight Pac man for the same reason pac should not have fought JMM, his style. Pacs style is too much for MAyweathers defensive pattern. The “filly shell’ would never work against Pac as a southpaw and he changes the angles too often and throws too many punches for his pattern to be effective against. He is holding on to his ‘Oh’ and would have lost to Pac otherwise why not fight the guy? He is smaller, less reach, more losses. what is there to be scared of? Answer his STYLE

Posted December 10, 2012 11:42 pm 


The Prince

Mayweather beat top P4P fighters when they were undefeated and at their weight like a true P4P fighter does. Both Oscar and Mosley ducked Mayweather for years before fighting. Oscar only did it when Floyd agreed to all of his demands and still lost. Mosley did it after his ex-wife crippled him financially. Mayweather embarrassed him, starting in the same round where Mosley got in a good punch. Mayweather run at 130 and 135 is legendary. Floyd is one of the must studied boxers right now. Up-and-coming boxers watch Mayweather 101 more so than any other fighters, including Pacquiao. Mayweather sells out all of this fights and makes a killing in PPV sales. Give it up, haters. Floyd is the man and will be remember as one of the best that done it, rather he ends his career undefeated or not.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:42 pm 


Tomato Can

I feel bad for Manny, I didn’t like see him lay helpless like that. But his fanatics who come to this site deserved every agonizing second of watching Manny lay there with his face in the canvas. Heck, now they’re still trying to save face, by projecting this loss onto Mayweather. Too bad, they’ll never learn…

Posted December 10, 2012 11:38 pm 


Tomato Can

LOL, Manny get’s smashed by the perfect punch, (probably the best of the year) and Mayweather’s the biggest loser? No, Manny’s jaw is the biggest loser, that punch was huge.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:34 pm 


Anonymous

FLOYD MADE THEM LOOK EASY BUT LAST TO 12 ROUNDS RIGHT…PACMAN MADE THEM LOOK UGLY AND DIDNT LAST 12 ROUNDS

Posted December 10, 2012 11:31 pm 


Anonymous

Mayweather and co put a spanner in the works years ago for the Pacquiao fight, by accusing him of taking PEDS,nobody had accused Pacquiao of taking PEDS until then, he knocked Hatton out, then the PED thing took off, it was just an excuse not to fight him, I think Mayweather was genuinely scared of Pacquiao.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:30 pm 


Boxtradamus

Floyd beat 9 CHAMPS in his last 10 Fights. There is NO ONE to compare him to.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:29 pm 


Anonymous

END OF STORY PACQUIAO IS A 8 DIVISION CHAMPION…FLOYD ONLY 5 DIVISION AND NO LOST…BUT IF FLOYD TRY TO GO FOR 6 HE WONT GET PASS MARTINEZ AT 160 AND PACQUIAO WIN 6 DIVISION AT 140…FLOYD TRY FOR 7 DIVISION AT 168 AGAIN CARL FROACH …HE GONNA GET K.O…PACQUIAO TKO COTTO AT HIS 7 DIVSION…FLODY CATCH WEIGH AGAIN JEAN PASCAL FOR HIS 8 …WOULD GET K.O …NO KILLIN INSTIN LIKE PACMAN …WHOS THE BEST OF THIS ERA..THE ANSWER IS PACQUIAO….

Posted December 10, 2012 11:29 pm 


Rob

Look at this picture, Ortiz hands down an idiot Joe Cortez not even seeing the punch yet he called it legal.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:27 pm 


zdrx

@ mark…..but like it or not… floid represents your race…and there’s nothing you can do about it. it’s like how pacman represents us pinoys…and how proud we are of him…win or lose.
you are him…and he is you. as much as if you see pacman…you already seen entire pinoys.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:26 pm 


Anonymous

PACQUIAO VS. MARTINEZ is the best match up… for 9th division title for manny pacquiao unprecedented in the history of boxing….

Posted December 10, 2012 11:22 pm 


mansworld

Mayweather beat every one who was credible, Margecheato people said he was afraid of and this sob dam near killed cotto with tose illegal wraps. Hatton, gatti,judah,Mosley and Dela hoya were all on top of there game and he made it look easy, Who has he avoided Manny turned down the fight 3 times and even 40 mil, I bet he wish he took it now and drooling on the floor by the hand of Mrquez for 6 mil and no chances of a big money fight, Floyd will fight Alverez or Martinez next for sure Manny is done….

Posted December 10, 2012 11:20 pm 


Anonymous

ASK FLOYD MAYWEATHER TO GO FOR A 8 DIVISION LIKE PACMAN…160 168 AND 175…CATCH WEIGHT IT DONT MATTER…FLOYD WONT DO WELL AGAINS BIGGER OPPENUTE…BUT PACMAN CAN…HE IS SMALL AND DESTROY ALL THE BIGGER GUYS….PACMAN IS A OFFENSING MACHINE THAT’S Y FLOYD AFFRAI OF HIM

Posted December 10, 2012 11:19 pm 


Anonymous

So everyone’s prime is the same age???

Posted December 10, 2012 11:16 pm 


MMendoza

Pacquiao will always get haters with his victories or his losses. The good thing is that he is making money off them — either way, they will pay tab. Mayweather knows that too and continues to get rich. Both of them are smarter than all of their haters put together.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:14 pm 


Anonymous

GET IT STRAIGHT…MAYWEATHER NEVER EVER WANT TO FIGHT PACQUIAO ITS BEEN ALMOST THREE YEARS NOW….MAYWEATHER WOULD NEVER EVER BEAT A PRIME PACQUIAO…TOO SLICK TOO FAST TOO POWERFUL IRON CHINE…MAYWEATHER SKILL DF AND A COUNTER ONE TWO PUNCH WONT GET DONE.. WOULD GET MURDDER BY PACMAN LEFT HAND AND THE RIGHT HOOD COMBINATION…PACQUIAO CAN HANDLE MAYWEATHER HIT BUT MAYWEATHER CANT NOT HANDLE PACMAN HIT…PACQUIAO IS THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE TOOLS TO MAKE FLOYD 0 TURN INTO A 1

Posted December 10, 2012 11:13 pm 


Anonymous

You can look atMayweathers career, he has only had 9 fights in 7 years since Gatti, and has avoided certain fighters during that time and before, compare that to great fighters of the past, I just don’t compare him to those fighters.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:11 pm 


Tachyon

Some of you guys are too funny biggest loser was PAC he got knocked into 2016. PAC finally got up the ref asked how many fingers do you see PAC said 3, ref asked do you know where you are PAC said MGM grand, ref asked what is your name PAC replied I’m Bat Man. Did PBF lose anything hell no. His status went up. Who asked to clean up the sport with random testing PBF. Who whined, cried, ducked and dodged random test PAC. Who tore up PPV this year PBF. Who was whupped twice by JMM PAC because no matter what you say JMM won the 3rd fight hands down. PBF is undefeated PAC just had all the lights in the house turned off. One thing I can say PAC takes his losses with style and class have to give credit where credit is due.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:08 pm 


PEEJ

Floyds record speaks for itself. Fighters lose, that is what happens, there are only a few who stay undefeated. Floyd has taken many challenges and has passed with flying colors. He fights fighters at there comfortable weight and well of course he always wins, at least so far. You can pick apart his career if you like but any fighter that you currently like and try to rate him high, i could easily pick apart also

Posted December 10, 2012 11:00 pm 


Ghetto Thug

another butthurt pactard

Posted December 10, 2012 10:47 pm 


Big B

It’s crazy how most of you think. Do you really hate someone so much that you don’t know? How can someone hate a fighter who never trash talks anyone. Comes to fight every time. Came from nothing and made it to the very top of the mountain. Comits to helping his people. I’m not saying he is perfect, but who is. Some of you fan club Internet trolls need to get out of your moms house and try to accomplish a fraction of what PAC or any pro fighter has. You punks come online talking like your something. Last I checked we order there fights not yours.

True boxing fans root for great fights. Not how much they make per fight.

Grow up.

Sincerely,

True boxing fan

Posted December 10, 2012 10:25 pm 


Anonymous

His career is littered with fights against Baldomir, Judah etc,etc, fighters who have been beat already and past it fighters and he will keep doing it until he retires, not a career that you will particularly remember like the great fighters.

Posted December 10, 2012 10:05 pm 


Anonymous

That’s why he’s called money Mayweather, not interested in taking the defining fights when they are there.

Posted December 10, 2012 9:59 pm 


Proud African

Was it considered a no contest when Pac shoe-shined the canvas?

Posted December 10, 2012 9:59 pm 


PEEJ

Arum never wanted the fight to begin with. Floyd averages about 30 mil a fight when he does fight. I don’t think he really cares that he never fought Pac. I’m glad because I always felt he would of handled him easily. I would much rather Floyd fight someone else.

Posted December 10, 2012 9:55 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Was it considered a no contest when he shoe-shined baby-mama?

Posted December 10, 2012 9:44 pm 


SwimmingButNotWet

Nah, Pac was the won who got KTFO. He’s the biggest loser.

Posted December 10, 2012 9:27 pm 


Anonymous

Mayweathers career defining fight was against Pacquiao, he didn’t want the fight, nothing to do with PEDS he just avoided him, end of.

Posted December 10, 2012 9:25 pm 


javier

read the last part of the article. the writer said that the biggest loser(s) are Arum, Manny and Freddie Roch!

Posted December 10, 2012 9:19 pm 


Pactards Butt Hurt

Nice try Pactards to stop the butt hurt. PEDcquiao got his ass KTFO!

Posted December 10, 2012 8:42 pm 


MMendoza

BOXTRADAMUS: Get a hold of yourself !! Pacquiao IS the best thing since peanut butter and jelly. Take a look at the sales receipts for each of his fights — people want to see boxers who give their all in the ring year after year — AND Pacquiao fits the bill to a perfect score. Boxing’s problems are not Pacquiao’s fault — like he says himself over and over again — his career is fighting and that’s what he does. I highly doubt that boxing experts make boxing rich because they over-analyze each fight and don’t dole out the money. It’s every-day people who fill those stands and buy those PPV. our great Marquez knows that and that’s why he has been trying to get in the money action too — and quite deservingly so. If Marquez relied on boxing experts to buy tickets, he too would be broke.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:32 pm 


Anonymous

Pacquiao-Marquez 5 it has to happen. 100m on the line, Mayweather you blew. Remember Hearns Duran, Duran cameback to win the Middleweight championship of the world.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:31 pm 


Mex

The best excuse from the Pactards is …if they were fighting in Europe Freddy Roach would’ve been able to drag Manny back to the corner and revive him and throw him back out there and then Manny would’ve k.o Marquez…hahahahahha

Posted December 10, 2012 8:27 pm 


Boxe0

Because he is.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:26 pm 


The Prince

Once again, I ask the Pactards. Why are you demanding Floyd fight a middleweight, but won’t do the same for Pacquiao, who can’t even beat a little Mexican? Anybody saying Floyd should fight Martinez are only saying that because they want him at a huge disadvantage, because they believe that’s the only way he loses. Which in itself is admitting how great a fighter he is. But Pactards are emotional and can’t think straight.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:25 pm 


Anonymous

im sick of people talkin about floyd bn a cherry picker and pac fighting anybody and everybody! lets just talk about their oppenents at 140 and up. floyd fought mosley coming off destroying margo, he fought osar at his weight when oscar was still looking good an undefeated hatton. cotto at his weight, ortiz comin off his best win( to me that was the most dangerous fight, pac has not ever fought an opponent at that point in his career not at 147) lets look at pac, odh at 147 comin imo a loss to steve forbes r u kidding! cotto at 145 for the 147 title, hatton after floyd done ko’d him, mosley comin off a draw with sergio mora lol! margo at 151 for the 154 title and imo that is the fight that took it out of pac. i give pac credit for clottey which hasnt done anything since and pac did that to him. i give him credit for bradley i think he is a top fighter probly better at 140 but ok, and i give him credit for giving marquez another shot. floyd i give him credit for odh, cotto ortiz, and mosley and somewhat marquez it was his 1st fight back and marquez called him out. the thing is once u get to the top fighters have to earn their shot to fight you. both pac and floyd were at the top sad they didnt fight eachother but there is blame to go on both sides, but to say pac has fought everybody and floyd ducks everybody is really just a flat out lie.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:24 pm 


MMendoza

HECDOG: I am in agreement with you on the fact that Pacquiao has too many haters despite the contributions he has made to boxing and to his country. Even after the devastating KO, he still smiled and made no excuses. That’s Pacquiao’s — he’s as real as they come — and as humble too. Much of the ESB website is dedicated to hating Pacquiao and the other #1 hate is Mayweather. Lots of ESB posters set a negative and ignorant environment to what should be a celebration of both Marquez and Pacquiao for putting on such spectacular boxing mathches full of heart and fearlessness. Trust me: there is not one little micro-ounce in Marquez or Pacquio full of fear. These two are about as courageous and about as fierce warriors in boxing as it gets during these days and times. Without them, boxing would be a whole lot more boring and empoverished.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:24 pm 


Anonymous

i’m sick and tired of hearing pacfans complain about jjm’s alleged use of PEDs. manny could easily have had marquez randomly tested for PEDs. he’s one of the most powerful people in the sport of boxing, for crying out loud. as is floyd mayweather. and he, like floyd, could demand random olympic style testing FOR ALL OF HIS FIGHTS – yet pacman refuses to do this! so stop your infantile whining that jjm was supposedly juiced. manny and freddy could have had him tested ten times a day – and marquez even volunteered for it – yet they CHOSE NOT TO. grow up, for chrissakes.

Posted December 10, 2012 8:10 pm 


Pactard Means Stupid

Pactards are so delusional. So Pacquiao gets KTFO by a FORTY year old and now there’s an article that say Mayweather is the big loser? Only in Pactard land.

Posted December 10, 2012 7:43 pm 


soldtnt

i do believe that paq of 3 yrs a go would have given pbf 1 hell of a fight

Posted December 10, 2012 7:42 pm 


soldtnt

pbf is a grt fighter but is the greatest cherry picker of all time but he has got amazing skills

Posted December 10, 2012 7:40 pm 


Sniper

The biggest money fight in the sport right now is Marquez vs Pacquiao 5!!! They should do it in the Philippines ala ‘Thrilla in Manilla!’

Posted December 10, 2012 7:37 pm 


Boxe0

Its only a matter of time. In boxing every dog has its days….. unless you’re cherry picking of course.

Posted December 10, 2012 7:36 pm 


BigMikeTampa

Marquez climbed 2 weight classes to take on PBF who dint make weight. That doesnt diminish at all what JMM did v Pac but its apples/oranges by comparing performances. If that were the case Pac has performed better v like opponents. Styles make fights and after a devestating KO like that maybe Pac is done (though he said he is not). As shocking as this is its a reminder that anyone can suffer a chin check and Pac isnt the last one.

Posted December 10, 2012 7:32 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Even his own boy Fitty decided rollin with Mayflower was bad for his image…

Posted December 10, 2012 7:31 pm 


GGGGreattttt

And thats how you knock manny out!!!!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 7:29 pm 


Proud African

When are you fighting Floyd or Martinez? I know you can beat Pac. He’s shot.

Posted December 10, 2012 7:25 pm 


Anonymous

MARQUEZ WON’T HAVE THE POWER TO K.O MANNY PACQUIAO THE LAST THREE FIGHT SO HE DICIDED TO USED STERIOUS…EVEN WITH STERIOS MARQUEZ ALSO KNOWS THAT IF HE CANT LANDED ONE PUNCH K.O THEN PACQUIAO WOULD DESTROY HIM BEFORE 12 ROUNDS…WHEN MARQUEZ AND HIS TEAM GOT HOME IN MEXICO …MARQUEZ THINKING TO HIMSELF LIKE OMG..WHAT IF I HAVING USED THE PED STERIOUS MY POWER PUNCH WON’T DROP MANNY AND IM IN A REALLY REALLY BIG PROBLEM…I WONT MAKE IT TO THE 12 ROUNDS…SO OVER ALL MARQUEZ KNOW THAT PACQUIAO IS THE BEST FIGHTER OF THIS ERA AND I HAD TO CHEATED TO WIN BUT ITS NOT A HAPPY WIN FOR MARQUEZ WHEN U LOOK AT HIM IN A INTERVIEW

Posted December 10, 2012 7:16 pm 


lefhook

We’ll maybe guys are just playing Pac at his own game, maybe after watching him smash Hatton n Cotto there saying fck it. And i’m not saying Marquez was juiced, bit maybe just maybe the guy and his camp have just git fckt right off with whats happened to him and the likes of Hatton. Sometimes enough is enough

Posted December 10, 2012 7:05 pm 


Anonymous

Intrigue us with a fight that would bring intrigue, drama and legacy! Floyd vs. Martinez, Floyd vs, Trout.

Posted December 10, 2012 7:04 pm 


Ray Ray

Wrong…marquz, Guerrero,Garcia at welter Alvarez or Martinez at jr middle either 1 of these would b huge pay per view. Not loseing, winning.

Posted December 10, 2012 6:59 pm 


The Mad Scientist

I wonder if Pac and his band sang his hit single sometimes when we touch right after the fight..Lol!

Posted December 10, 2012 6:59 pm 


Proud African

I totally agree. Lame excuses from the Pactards.

Posted December 10, 2012 6:58 pm 


Anonymous

marquez is no way near MANNY PACQUIAO and marquez himself knows that the only way to beat pacquiao is PED WITH ONE PUNCH without sterious he wont last 12 rounds in this four fight MARQUEZ FACE WOULD BE MORE DESTROY THEN MARGARITO

Posted December 10, 2012 6:57 pm 


te tumbo

Marquez made testing a condition for a proposed third matchup and Pacquiao* refused. Marquez dropped the testing condition to make the third bout and was Robbed by the scorecards. Marquez again challenged Team Pacquiao* by responding that he would take “ANY test, ANY time. I’ve got nothing to hide” but still no concession from Pacquiao* but it doesn’t matter now. Pacquiao* was KTFO in DEVASTATING face-first fashion. WORSE than he KO’d Hatton and NOTHING can change that. once and for all, Marquez is the better fighter.

Posted December 10, 2012 6:50 pm 


Proud African

Pac tasted the canvas, head first. He’s shot. Anyone can beat him, even Jinkie, Jinke, twinkie, Jinkie.

Posted December 10, 2012 6:43 pm 


Anonymous

marquez is on sterios for sure…because he knows that he wont beat manny if he dont have the powers…coming to the fight marquez team and him knos that if they landed one punch it would be over…

Posted December 10, 2012 6:41 pm 


Anonymous

IF FLOYD WANTS TO BE A 8 DIVISION CHAMPION LIKE MANNY PACQUIAO 154 147 AND 140 TO MADE IT 8…?? HOW DO UGUYS C FLOYD AT 160 168 AND 175..? CATCH WEIGHT LIKE PACQIAO DID DONT MATTER BUT WILL FLOYD DESTROY BIGGER GUYS LIKE MANNY DID would floyd service like manny did…just a though

Posted December 10, 2012 6:36 pm 


Boxe0

Best way to end the year with my PPV dollar. Great fight, I as a consumer didn’t feel cheated. I want to see it again regardless of the result. They both deserve to make alot of money specially Juan.

Posted December 10, 2012 6:28 pm 


Big Rich

There are no losers here… A lot of people don’t understand that Manny and Floyd will be considered the greatest boxers of their era… Regardless of this result Ali, Foreman, Fraser & Cotto Margarito, Mosley tells us that that because fighter A beats fighter B, fighter C who beats fighter A beats fighter B! So the fight between Manny and Floyd is still very much alive!
Marquez gets all the credit, he is a warrior and someone who is extremely brave and intelligent, to gain a KO that way is amazing when you have just been tagged a few times before that. Manny should be given credit too, he showed us after a heavy knockdown that he was willing to trade and throw caution to the wind and in some respects almost pulled it off until the KO punch. FOTY!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 6:23 pm 


swan

It is said that Mayweather fought marquez because he was easy well we will have to ask Manny I’ll take his analysis

Posted December 10, 2012 6:17 pm 


Anonymous

Mayweather doesn’t take year round olympic drug testing, it should be 365 days, 24/7, not just a few weeks prior to a fight.

Posted December 10, 2012 6:10 pm 


Boxe0

The fight is dead… let it go.

Posted December 10, 2012 6:03 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd offered Manny 40 mil and he turned it down. That is all the proof you need. He offered the man more money than he would ever make in one fight and he turned it down. Manny admitted it on TV.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:58 pm 


Proud African

Floyd Mayweather is the best fighter of this era. At least he takes Olympoic-style drug tests, and is undefeated, unlike Pac. Pac got KTFO.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:58 pm 


largo

With Pac outta the way & no longer relevant, the only fight that makes sense for Floyd is Sergio Martinez, period. He could fight Canelo as an stay busy fight, after that, only retirement awaits.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:57 pm 


Proud African

Pac refused to take Olympic-style drug tests, unlike the great Floyd Mayweather. Ask Martinez to move up and meet Andre Ward. Why don’t you fight Floyd yourself if you know so much about boxing?

Posted December 10, 2012 5:54 pm 


bubbalouie

Stupid comment by the author,he did wait out Mannys prime because with Manny style he was bound to burn out much faster than runner Floyd. And Floyd knew that,Manny has been slipping for a while now ,more concerned with things other than boxing. and even with that he was ahead when he got caught and that can happen to anyone,ask Lewis and Rachman!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 5:47 pm 


Boxe0

I never said Bronner accomplished everything that Floyd has. I said he is a better version of Floyd because Bronner doesn’t just lay on the ropes, he’s not afraid to attack and get tagged. He is more brave.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:46 pm 


Anonymous

IF FLOYD IS THIS GOOD THEN TELL HIM TO MOVE UP 3 MORE DIVISION TO MAKE IT 8 LIKE THE BEST FIGHTER IN THE WORLD MANNY PACMAN PACQUIAO now whos the best MANNY IS REALLY SMALL BUT KILLIN INSTIN WITH BIGGER OPPENUT ask floyd to fight martinez and c if floyd could do better to bigger oppenute

Posted December 10, 2012 5:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Broner has not accomplished 25% of what Floyd Mayweather has get real… He is a guy trying to build a legacy like Floyds and he is only 23 or 24 years old, he NEVER beat a HOF fighter his best win to date is Antonio Demarco who was a good fighter but certainly not special….FMJ is a 5 weight undefeated Champion, the ONLY in history… He has been fighter of the year and beaten Champion after Champion as well as multiple HOF fighters…Broner has a LONG way to go to be mentioned in the same breath as this ATG fighter… blasphemy

Posted December 10, 2012 5:41 pm 


Anonymous

MANNY PACQUIAO IS THE BEST FIGHTER OF THIS ERA…8 DIVISION CHAMPION IT SHOULD HAD BEEN 10 DIVISION BUT HE SKIP TWO WEIGHT CLASS AND IT’LL BE MORE HARD FOR OTHER FIGHTERS TO BRAKE HIS RECORDS…FROM NOW ON NO FIGHTERS WOULD BRAKE MANNY RECORDS 888888….

Posted December 10, 2012 5:34 pm 


Boxe0

Bronner is a better version of Floyd. He has offense.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Floyd was off 21 months when he came back and BLANKED Marquez for 12 rounds it was an embarassment… Marquez is now the #3 P4P fighter in the world and has been ranked for years…He just clean KOed the Fighter of the Decade, meanwhile Floyd basically raped him…. FMJ is no joke

Posted December 10, 2012 5:32 pm 


Anonymous

IF FLOYD IS THIS GOOD THEN HE WOULD HAD FOUGH PACMAN 2 YEARS AGO AND TOOK A BRUDU BEATING…FLOYD FOUGH MARQUEZ BECAUSE HE KNO THAT MARQUEZ IS EASY floyd knos where is the win and the loose and that is manny pacquiao

Posted December 10, 2012 5:29 pm 


Boxtradamus

IF you still think that Pacquiao can beat Mayweather then please enroll YOURSELF into the PSYCH ward.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:28 pm 


Anonymous

FLOYD MAYWEATHER WOULD NEVER EVER BEAT MANNY PACQUIAO..!!! MARK MY WORDS…EVEN WITH THIS PED MARQUEZ PUNCH AND DEFEAT PACMAN…FLOYD WOULD STILL BE SCARED OF PACQUIAO….

Posted December 10, 2012 5:23 pm 


Boxtradamus

Floyd beat 3 of the Top 7 P4P Boxers in a ROW which isnt easy. Just ask Pacquiao…he just faced 3 Top 8 P4Pers in a row and got knocked out.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:23 pm 


Boxtradamus

Martinez faces mostly NON CHAMPS and #0 P4Pers while Floyd faces mostly CHAMPS and Top 10 P4Pers. Advantage Mayweather.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez fights guys that weigh 170- 180 pounds fight night meanwhile FMJ might be fighting at WW because he can easily make the weight… Hoping for a demonstrably BIGGER boxer to defeat Mayweather is not going to rid you of your pain nor will it cleanse Pacquiaos record of this KO loss which will go down in the annals of history!!

Posted December 10, 2012 5:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Everyone is his weight shere is LESS skilled than Floyd Mayweather so are we going to hold that against him…I wanted to see the Pac Man bout 2 years ago like everyone else but the notion that Floyd and Manny are equally skilled is not viable… Floyd is a MUCH superior boxer, Manny was strong, fast and powerful but even the GREAT Pac and Marquez are Floyds obvious inferiors as it pertains to skill…. Marquez was hopeless against Mayweather YET he drove Pac crazy at 4 different weights and was brutally crushed by the 39 year old version of JMM…. Floyd is in a different league than these guys as much respect as I have for Pac and JMM…

Posted December 10, 2012 5:08 pm 


Boxtradamus

Floyd WILL Fight Martinez in his last hurrah Fight and beat him on points.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:05 pm 


Fightfan19

Tim, your point is as valid as they come. We fans just want the Martinez fight because we all know PBF would get his ass kicked. As you said PBF is afraid of small southpaw, why would he fight a bigger one? One short left hook from Maravilla would end PBF’s night.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:03 pm 


Boxtradamus

Some people must’ve missed the Fight. This was the BEST Pacquiao. He dropped Marquez and even broke his nose. He was close to getting a stoppage himself. Marquez just has the higher Boxing IQ. He waited for the opening and crashed the party. He knocked out the BEST version of Pacquiao. Pacquiao had NEVER looked that GOOD in his LIFE.

Posted December 10, 2012 5:02 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Yeah, and he is a big pusy too

Posted December 10, 2012 5:01 pm 


lman

We all know floyds m.o, he will fight guerrero or bradley then probably canelo then retire, he will not fight martinez. Thats two guys who are either smaller and less skilled then him or both, and a guy who is bigger than him but less experienced, that sounds about right

Posted December 10, 2012 4:55 pm 


Anonymous

Floyd Mayweather is the biggest loser. He refused the fight because he thought he deserved more than 50/50 % cut. People do not come to see Floyd Mayweather dance. The better the dance partner , more they will play. Now if Manny is not viable dance partner, they will not pay.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:55 pm 


Pac v Mayweather

Mayweather would run from Pacquiao, too scared of getting knocked out, he wouldn’t fight Pacquiao like Marquez did, staying right there ready to counter.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:44 pm 


Anonymous

Poor Floyd…. never fought any HOF in their prime anyways.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:42 pm 


boxing barlow

Com on let’s be honest. maywether has lost out as he missed out on doing what Marquez did to pacman.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:34 pm 


Anonymous

Tune up fights every year

Posted December 10, 2012 4:19 pm 


mansworld

Mannys will go down in defeat that Ko he didnt just get knocked down he got put to sleep get over it he is done a overhyped dude who used PEDs, Floyd is on another level he has never been beat so when you add up there body of work it dosent compare morons, Floyd will go on to beat Bradley, Alverez or even Martinez easily Manny will go down being put to sleep by Marquez period

Posted December 10, 2012 4:17 pm 


Anonymous

I agree, but Floyd is not african if that’s what your saying. He’s just another ni@@ger with a bad attitude who has not fought in America’s wars. But yes african fighters are cool in my book

Posted December 10, 2012 4:16 pm 


Informer

If Pac and Floyd would have fought 2 years ago we would have all had a chance to see if Floyd is as good as he claims to be. Because he would have had to fight his ass off to keep Pac off of him. Win lose or draw, no matter who you would have been pulling for, that would have been something special to see.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:16 pm 


Informer

I don’t the catch weight had anything to do with outcomes of the fights. Cotto comes straight forward and does not have the greatest chin. Hatton comes straight forward and does not have the greatest chin. JMM came straight forward for the first round of the first fight and learned that is a very bad idea against Pac. DeLa Hoya avoided southpaws for a good reason–not easy to land the left hook on them. Sturm exposed him on that. That’s probably why he never fought Bronco McKart or Winky right. Bottom line, guys that move and have strategy give Pac problems. Hatton, Cotto, Dela Hoya and Clottey all underestimated Pac and thought they’d be too strong for him. Clottey probably weighed about 160 at fight time. A younger Dela Hoya would have given Pac a good fight if he would have respected him coming into the fight. But Hatton, Cotto would never have a chance fighting the way they did. I still give Pac props for fighting beating these guys especially when he probably should not have been over 140. Let’s not forget that Floyd beat JMM when Floyd did not have to make weight. Not having to make weight is almost like using a PED. Once again, styles make fights. JMM would never have a chance of beating Floyd because he is a counter puncher that is slower and less skilled. The fight that needed to happen was Floyd Pac 2 years ago when Pac was still fast, skilled with both hands, south paw who applied resposible pressure.

Posted December 10, 2012 4:12 pm 


Anonymous

I agree with you he will regret not taking the fight but i cant agree that manny will have a bigger legacy due to pacmans large amount of wins in different weight classes. he fought a majority of guys at CATCH WEIGHTS NOT AT THE PROPER WEIGHT HE REFUSED TO FIGHT COTTO AT 154 after Cotto came down for him. Roach said that they do catch weights to gain a advantage so lets be real. 8 divisions a majority at catch weights vs 5 divisions all at the proper weight

Posted December 10, 2012 3:57 pm 


Rem

In boxing u have powerpunchers and 1 punch ko artist Marquez was neither. So Marquez hires Hernandez and eats 90 Pac punches to his 50 looking for a 1 punch ko lmfao where there’s smoke there’s fire. Yeah Marquez landed a perfect punch but that wasnt the only kd. Live it up Pac haters yall sound stupid rationalizing what happened. And Floyd is the biggest loser “money” left what yall would call an easy 100 mil on the table and will be remembered for ducking Pac since they probably wont fight now. Floyds that fat Mexican from Jimmy Kimmal “yay i dont have to fight Pacquiao” lmfao. Marquez went from an 88mph fastball to 98 Hernandez should be the richest man in the world with those training secrets.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:54 pm 


Informer

I agree with Exiled Yank. This fight should have happened 2 years ago. Manny will still have a bigger legacy than Floyd because of how many weight divisions he dominated. Both lost a lot to their legacy by not making this fight happen when Pac fought Clottey. Floyd’s legacy will suffer the most because he wants to be seen as a Sugar Ray Leonard. Leonard fought the most dangerous man alive when they were both in their prime, Hearns. The same goes for Hearns. Floyd won’t get that opportunity again. If he beats Canelo, they will say Canelo is too green. If he beats JMM they will say he is too old and too small. Either case he had the guy to make his legacy in front of him and he didn’t. He labeled himself MONEY Mayweather and that will be his legacy. Equating money with greatness is his legacy. But once he hangs his gloves up he will realize that love is not the onlything that money cannot buy. Joe Calzaghe is probably kicking himself today for not fighting Jones and Hopkins in their primes. He may have lost, but he would probably be remembered more today from losing to a prime RJJ than beating a clearly past his prime old one. When no one is talking about Floyd 5 years from now even if he still has half of his money left, the emptiness of not knowing what he could have been remembered as will haunt him forever.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:52 pm 


Tim

And people, please stop saying pbf will fight Martinez. There is no way in the world I can see pbf fighting Martinez. He wouldn’t fight pacman, a small southpaw. He sure isn’t gonna fight a big southpaw. Get real people.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:52 pm 


Tim

No…..pbf is the biggest winner becz he doesn’t have to fight his nemesis. Pbf never wanted to fight pacman. If he truly did, he wouldn’t have allowed pacman to continue taking tough fights, ones where he could lose. In my opinion, pbf wanted someone else to beat pacman, not him. Pbf dodged that bullet and what’s funny is, his die hard fans still let him off the hook. Incredible.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:49 pm 


RNS

In all seriousness I think Freddie Roach comes out of all this looking really bad or the biggest loser… his reputation has suffered the most. after Khans back to back defeats and Chavez Jr losing his unbeaten record and now having his number one fighter blitzed in stunning fashion. in fairness I think Marquez is a genuine boxing legend so defeat to him in not an embarrassment but the manner of the defeat after all the big talk from Roach is a shocker and Chavez Jr lost to another great fighter but things must be really bad when Amir Khan is sacking you Lol

Posted December 10, 2012 3:40 pm 


AntisocialSka

This title and the approach of the writer is cheap.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:38 pm 


Anonymous

And the biggest loser is…..the fans

Posted December 10, 2012 3:32 pm 


Boxtradamus

Also Floyd just became the Oldest UNDISPUTED #1 Boxer in the Sport EVER. History has just been made. WOW!!

Posted December 10, 2012 3:26 pm 


C

Its Funny how these Pactards are Blaming Floyd for the fight not happening when it was Pacquiao who walked away to fight somebody else at least TWICE
They are so delusional they still think after seeing Pac almost lose his life on saturday that he would still be competition for Floyd smh You dudes are sad

Posted December 10, 2012 3:20 pm 


RNS

it’s amazing how Pacquiao fans are still trying to dig out Mayweather, it is so shameful, bitter and twisted it is embarrassing to read. so let me get this straight, according to some of you Manny gets absolutely demolished with single right hand counter and Mayweather is the “loser”? really? or you could say Pacquiao was scraped of the floor while his poor wife Jinkee fearing the worst is screaming and crying at ringside but Mayweather is the “loser”? ROFL too funny

Posted December 10, 2012 3:20 pm 


Boxtradamus

Nope. The biggest WINNER was Floyd Mayweather Jr. and MYSELF. Floyd just became the UNDISPUTED #1 P4P Boxer in the World without even having to break a sweat. Also I remained as the UNDISPUTED GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 3:17 pm 


E in Denver

Jr is an after thought to this great series of fights between two great fighters. Jr didn’t lose anything except maybe some ink. That fight wasn’t going to happen for several reasons. Hopefully talks of this non-fight can finally be put to bed. It was a glaring spotlight on what is wrong in this great sport & how little can be done about it.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:16 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Let’s see, Manny has had a stellar career, brought himself up from poverty to wealth in a country where it rarely happens, has millions of people that love him the world over and now is heading towards the end of his brilliant fight career. His future is all about serving his countrymen, has been elected to public office and now his wife is pursuing the same journey. He is the future of his country.
Floyd, well, hmm, um, um he has a nice tennis shoe collection.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:15 pm 


Anonymous

READ THE ARTICLE!

Posted December 10, 2012 3:12 pm 


Boxtradamus

Nope. The biggest WINNER was Floyd Mayweather Jr and MYSELF. HE just became the UNDISPUTED #1 P4P Fighter in the World without even having throw a punch. And I remained as the UNDISPUTED GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 3:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Pans, you are NOT making any sense “Floyd is popular because he does not fight” if everyone could make 40 mill per fight by NOT fighting then believe me PLENTY of guys would be on the sideline… Reality is that when FMJ puts on the gloves people know they are going to see the BEST fighter in the sport bar none and they put their money down to witness unparalleled GREATNESS… We all KNOW you watch Floyd fight as do most of his detractors because he is mesmerizing in the ring, a shark in water….If he was so boring then 1.5 million people would not have ponied up $95 million dollars to see him got at it with Cotto…. AGAIN none of this ressurects Pacquiao’s reputation nor his aura of invisibility…

Posted December 10, 2012 3:07 pm 


Pac v Mayweather

Styles make fights, I see Pacquiao beating Mayweather.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:07 pm 


Anonymous

Biggest loser is Floyd BYE BYE $100 millions dollars THOUGHT THE GUY WAS SMART LOL

Posted December 10, 2012 3:04 pm 


Leon B. Little

Hey, Jackson, do you really believe Mayweather didn’t avoid Pacquiao when Pac was in his prime? Your ass must be sore from sitting balls-deep on Mayweather’s lap.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:04 pm 


Ed

C= stop taking whatever it is you’re taking ( making yourself seem inebriated) and try to keep up with the thread if you know how to follow and comprehend the subject of the conversation. Nothing written in the last few posts has anything to do with whatever mex you’re referring to.

Posted December 10, 2012 3:03 pm 


C

Your the coward acting like your happy Marquez won but your really just a scared pactard who is trying to use Marquez’s name and win over Pacquiao to bash Floyd. You really are pathetic

Posted December 10, 2012 2:59 pm 


Pans

He’s the biggest draw in boxing because he so rarely fights, a fight that’s considered a more rare occurance will do bigger numbers. In the period of Pacmans last 12 fights, Floyd has fought just 5 times. It certainly isn’t because Floyd is a more exciting fighter to watch. Indeed Floyd fought many of the same fighters as Manny and with the exception of Marquez, Manny beat them much more conviningly. You’re clearly a raging Flomo. Do you realise that in the last 5 years Carl Froch has arguably beat a better line up of fighters than Floyd?

Posted December 10, 2012 2:59 pm 


Ed

Floyd is into making entertaining fights, not fights that are competitive.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:57 pm 


C

You should take it easy. The person your talking about that created this great moment in mexican boxing history(which I agree about) was completely outclassed by the person(Floyd) that your bashing.Your in danger of making yourself look like a complete imbecile. Marquez is the Man but that man did not win a round against FLoyd when they fought. Dont forget that son.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:55 pm 


Ed

Well, that has been the way floyd “rolls’ for quite some time. Never quite fighting dangerous fighters or fighters even perceived to have the slightest advantage over him. HOwever, he always managed to find fighters that only “seemed” like a real threat and which appealed to the public but that he knew were easily winnable. He could have fought Casamayor (masterboxer) but he didn’t. He could have fought Mosely while Mosely was in the thick of his prime but he didn’t. The list goes on and on. The Mayweathers think fans have short memories and only remember the last fight.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:55 pm 


Anonymous

Mayweather did the same thing with Cotto, Maragrito etc. Refused to fight them and someone else beat them first. Pac has been slowing down the past few fights and it was just a matter of time. At least he can look himself in the mirror and say ” i avoided no one.” Mayweather may say the same but deep down he knows he is the reason so many fights didnt happen. Mayweather vs kosta, prime mosley, cotto, marg, forrest, wright, pac etc. Id rather see Pac and Maquez 5 tbh i have more interest in that fight than i did the past 3

Posted December 10, 2012 2:46 pm 


Pans

So the best shouldn’t fight the best? Nice IQ man.

Not to worry, Floyd won’t fight anyone too dangerous any way. 5 fights in over 5 years, there’s a reason he’s undefeated.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:42 pm 


Ed

But he’s still a loser of 100Mil. That’s a baaaad business man. I recall him saying many times, “if it doesnt make dollars, it doesn’t make sense,” well, we all now know he never quite believed that.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:39 pm 


Anonymous

After years of reading about Pac and Mayweather and whos ducking who..I can say I dont know who the hell ducked who.But both lost a HUGE payday.Now we know both guys will never have to punch a timecard or deal with a idiot boss.But no matter how rich you are nobody likes to walk away from that kind of payday…not even Bill Gates.Plus it is a shame the boxing fans and even the people who arent big fans(but this kind of fight was going to draw even those type of fans which is rare in boxing today)but we all missed out on a very special fight that could of…should of happened a couple of years ago.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:37 pm 


C

Gutless,coward who fights for a living. What do you do?? hide behind a computer and spew hate. Anybody with sense knows Floyd is the best boxer of this era. Your essay is useless and you God almost died on saturday…

Posted December 10, 2012 2:34 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

A medal? I bet he’d prefer a fresh Yak steak.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:33 pm 


C

Its 4 KO’s for Pedquiao now bro

Posted December 10, 2012 2:30 pm 


Ed

Hey, “proud african-american”, what do you want, a medal?

Posted December 10, 2012 2:30 pm 


C

THIS is spot on. What an idiot Pac is…

Posted December 10, 2012 2:28 pm 


Ed

C- He’s a loser because hoe’s are a dime a dozen, easily attainable and nothing special. Now, the potential to have earned 100Mil from just one fight, regardless of the “reasons” and “excuses” is a bonafide sign of a sure loser. That type of offer will not be seen any time in the near future. It was a unique circumstance that has never occurred and will never occur as long as Floyd lives.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:26 pm 


Tigerclaw

I have little doubt that these versions of Pacquiao and Marquez would destroy Mayweather. I’d be willing to bet that Golokvin would beat Mayweather….Martinez? That’s another story.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:20 pm 


Ed

Foolhardy Floyd….that one little speck of earth who thought the world revolved around him, managed to lose 100Mil in one night. What a fool indeed. Even Curtis Jackson agrees. That goes to show, time waits for no one, not even l’il Floyd.

Posted December 10, 2012 2:19 pm 


REALTALK

Bob Arum will smile but all know inside he is mad because now he has to pay Marquez more money and make the POT sweet for him! HE only gave Manny 26 million because Manny owes him a lot of money!

Posted December 10, 2012 2:11 pm 


Anonymous

Floyd doesnt want JMP Juan Maneul PEDquez. Floyd is anto drugs. You may not like him but he is good for the sport. Say no to PEDS !!!

Posted December 10, 2012 2:05 pm 


C

Interesting topic, but how can a guy who is worth hundreds of millions as well as having beautiful lady friends be a loser?

Posted December 10, 2012 2:03 pm 


Supreme Court

Some writers are so pathetic!
A lame attempt to spin the almost tragic lost Pacquiao has just suffered.
This D-student writer have not yet realized that Manny Pacquiao is going to be boot off the p4p list!
Just like P. Williams was…
And…
Biologically, the granit chin of Pac has been widely wedged!
Less powerful shots will take him to dreamland from now on…
Psychologically, its one thing to be knocked down….It’s another to be knowked out!
Pacquiao team is pandering….There will be no 5th fight!
They didnt even want to risk a rematch with Bradley; They won’t risk an almost certain 2nd KO this time!
remember: JMM confice has skyrocketted while Pac’s has plummetted…
He is done!
PacFraud!

Posted December 10, 2012 1:44 pm 


Proud African

African-American boxers are the best in the world. Without African-Americans, American boxing will be in the doldrums. Give African-Americans some credit because they are also the only ‘minority’ that has fought in ALL of America’s wars.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:43 pm 


focker

Pacquiao/Floyd fight still possible after two tune up fight by Manny, Rematch with Marquez and then Rios

Posted December 10, 2012 1:43 pm 


zdrx

are floidiots not ashamed of their idol, that it took a small man to destroy pacman…while floyd is cowering up on a tree like a kitten?
he’s still up there cowering… wonder if he’s coming down.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:38 pm 


Proud African

Some tools are useful.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:22 pm 


Proud African

Floyd Mayweather should not fight Timothy Bradley. They are elite fighters. Timothy Bradley should deprive Paul Malignaggi of his belt.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:20 pm 


zdrx

floyd who? nevertheless send my HEY! to him. LOL. also warm regards to him for being left out in the COLD in last saturday’s “event”…HA HA HA

Posted December 10, 2012 1:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Bradley would be EASY money for Floyd he cannot hit and he is often off balance and wild despite his determination and conditioning…. Different level of fighter`… A very good fighter vs an ELITE fighter

Posted December 10, 2012 1:19 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

*have

Posted December 10, 2012 1:19 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Sorry African, I shouldn’t called you a fool, I meant “tool”.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:19 pm 


Anonymous

I personally thought Floyd was the best of this era, before Marquez put Pac to sleep. What happen to Pac just proof that. Marquez already faced Mayweather and got handled like a sparring partner. Floyd beating Canelo and Martinez would make him look that much better, but he don’t need them to be considered the best of this era.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:19 pm 


Anonymous

Just another fight that didn’t happen….no big deal, happens all the time…..no real loser , Manny made a killing with cash that should last him a lifetime, Marquez will cash in his next fight and Floyd will make his money fighting someone else….not even worth the article….

Posted December 10, 2012 1:18 pm 


Anonymous

everybody forgets that floyd didn’t make the catch weight against Marquez when they fought he fought above what he had agreed on and was bigger than Marquez. Now Marquez is in that weight level to be an even weight level match dont forget that mayweather has duck everybody that has been a threat to him example Margarito Cotto Manny Pacquiao to name a few yes he fought Cotto after his 2 defeats

Posted December 10, 2012 1:17 pm 


Proud African

How did it feel to see Pac facedown on the canvas, with Jinkie disturbing my precious ears?

Posted December 10, 2012 1:16 pm 


Basketballman

Floyd and Timothy Bradley is the best fight at welterweight thats the fight american fans should be demanding. As a British viewer and follower thats the fight that is best for floyd and Bradley.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:14 pm 


zdrx

if i were them floidiots…i’d be ashamed of myself, piggybacking on another man’s victory ………………….but that’s just me. HA HA HA

Posted December 10, 2012 1:09 pm 


The Prince

Mayweather dominated the man that knocked Pacquaio flat on this face; Made the Mexican look like a low ranked amateur, but he’s the coward? I’m loving the drug withdrawal some of these haters are having. They need their fix and can’t get it now. So sad.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:09 pm 


Anonymous

Floyd can still fight now Juan Manual PEDQUEZ now that JMP is bigger !

Posted December 10, 2012 1:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Zdrx, its sad that you cannot man up and stomach the reality that Manny is not even a fit opponent for Floyd at this point and he is 2 years YOUNGER than Mayweather… He could not even overcome one of Floyds EASIEST opponents over the course of 8 years and 4 fights…. There is NO net positive for Manny in this and trying to tie Floyd to this loss only detracts from Marquez who is REALLY the man of the hour…. Floyd and Pac is not gonna happen and thats sad but the reality is that Pac Man FAILED to stay viable by getting brutally knocked out by a guy who belongs no higher than 140 pounds…. Pac’s pretty much toast absent quitting Congress etc…

Posted December 10, 2012 1:09 pm 


Proud African

Floyd Mayweather says ‘hi.’

Posted December 10, 2012 1:08 pm 


zdrx

i never seen such a coward in my entire life as floid is. he’s never been ashamed to act as damsel in distress…and marquez as his knight in shining armor, horsing him around and into the sunset…while her legions of dark skinned, wide eyed ignorant floidiots ………………….sing oooohhhh la laaaa. LOL….LMAO…….RO

Posted December 10, 2012 1:06 pm 


The Kingslayer

He’s not really a loser because the fight was never likely to happen, too many ego’s and characters on both sides were preventing this fight happening. Also Mayweather already waxed Marquez with ease.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:06 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Loud African mumbled: “Floyd Mayweather was set up by the Floyd haters.” Lmao, fool.

Posted December 10, 2012 1:06 pm 


zdrx

floidiots has been clamoring for pacman’s destruction…it took a mexican in marquez to champion their cause…………while their idol did nothing, but anxiously twiddle her thumb in her closet. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Posted December 10, 2012 1:03 pm 


zdrx

the way floidiots are gloating…it’s as if marquez victory was fought for them. HA HA HA! hey ladies and girls…before you jump up and down like chmps, your idol is a coward who would rather hide behind JMM’s apron stings than face pacman. floidiots are not invited to savor and celebrate! pathetic cowards…shamelessly piggybacking on mexico’s triumph LOL…LMAO………………ROFL

Posted December 10, 2012 1:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Mayweather did NOT KO PacMan, but the reality is that PacMan got knocked out and his career is in jeopardy… Calls for retirement and revision are in the air… dragging Mayweather into this is NOT going to give Manny the makeover he needs after needing smelling salts to join the land of the living again….Floyd Mayweather is STILL P4P number 1, Top Earner, Undefeated, Top Dog…. Marquez is just another guy he made look like a sparring partner despite his Greatness…

Posted December 10, 2012 12:57 pm 


Exiled Yank

Honestly, the fans lose this one. Two years ago this fight was important, now it does not matter. As for their money, screw it, they both have more money than they know what to do with and they will both probably file bankruptcy within a decade of retirement. Their legacies will also suffer. No matter what they do in their careers, everyone will look back and say “He never fought Mayweather/ He never fought Pac…” It’s that simple. They waited too long, due to legitimate/stupid reasons and they will both suffer because of it. That said, they will be first ballot HOF’s and have made a lasting mark on the sport as ATG’s. Again, though, one of them would have had an argument for the ATG had they fought and beaten the other. Oh well, boxing goes on.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:55 pm 


zdrx

shameless floidiots are celebrating as if it was their idol who destroyed pacman. pathetic. hey, ladies and girls… before you jump with joy like monkeys…your idol is a coward who would rather hide behind JMM’s apron strings than face pacman.
it took little marquez to fight and beat pacman… than your wimp of an idol to take
risks by fighting pacman and basks at the glory.

congratz JMM…with heredia around…i hope you’re clean. LOL

Posted December 10, 2012 12:54 pm 


Ray

Lol what’s this got to do with Mayweather? Some of these writers are so obsess with him, only in boxing would a JMM win over Pac would meant Mayweather was the loser lol…Butthurt writers..

Posted December 10, 2012 12:49 pm 


Proud African

Idiot Ernie, do you have pictures to prove your point? The screaming Jinkie was all over the news. Floyd Mayweather was set up by the Floyd haters. Face down, face down, Jinkie screamed and Pac’s out.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:49 pm 


zdrx

though not invited by mexicans…floidiots shamelessly joined the celebration. they thought that floid is now safe from pacman…courtesy of marquez. it never occurred to them…that it was lady floid’s duty to destroy pacman for his fans. all that their idol did, was hide behind marquez. HA HA HA. what a girl

Posted December 10, 2012 12:49 pm 


Pactards Butt Hurt

Anybody can post an article on ESB nowadays. This is just a butt hurt Pactard author.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:48 pm 


Drago

Half ass article. Even the line count is low. ESB used to be much better…

Posted December 10, 2012 12:47 pm 


Hendo

The biggest loser in my opinion is Manny Pacquiao’s fan… Before the KO you would hear their praises to their fighter on every post… but if you read this and any other post after the KO, it seems they have nothing to write.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:46 pm 


zdrx

this is the greatest moment in mexico’s boxing history…REDEMPTION THROUGH THE BRAVERY OF MARQUEZ.
floyd has nothing to do with it…then why are floidiots piggybacking on marquez’ triumph? hey bums and losers, this victory is not for cowards. this celebration is exclusively for mexico…the land of warriors. floidiots has no right to savor nor enjoy the victory. so get that smile off your face idiots. ALL IDIOTS……OUT!!! LOL

Posted December 10, 2012 12:45 pm 


mansworld

Manny is done and so in Cotto…

Posted December 10, 2012 12:45 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Clueless African wrote: “the biggest winner is Floyd Mayweather. For one thing he did not collapse face first on the canvas with his woman screaming like a banshee”. Good point, Floydie’s baby mama usually only screams when he throws a couple of combos on her grill.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:43 pm 


te tumbo

i’ve noticed that Ring Ragazine is having trouble removing Pacquiao* from his previously lofty “P4P” ranking(?). i mean, just on a professional level, is anybody minding the farm over there? it makes them look slow and distracted and anything but the flagship pub of Boxing. that change should’ve been made no later than Sunday morning at 12am. they need to get their act together over there or risk appearingn to be a second-rate outfit.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:42 pm 


SREDMOND

The reason that guys like Gonzo and such are talking about Floyd Mayweather in the wake of Manny getting knocked cold by a guy that Mayweather totally embarassed when he was 3 years younger is that Mayweather is ALWAYS one step ahead of the detractors… While Manny was laying facedown on the canvas with fans like myself praying he was not dead or the reincarnation of Gerald “G Man” McClellan Floyd was plotting his NEXT 40 million plus single fight payday….WOW!!!! Who’s the Boss?? Mayweather already had the GREAT Pac Man caving and offering a 60/40 split….Sadly now Mannys road to redemption would put him in the ring AGAIN with a fighter who is gonna be 40 years old for a 5th time…. The boxing world has gotten SMALLER for Manny whereas Mayweather could fight anyone he chooses and pay them whatever they want… Childish insults cannot negate numerical reality and the stain on Pacs rep…

Posted December 10, 2012 12:36 pm 


Pactards Butt Hurt

I must have watched that KO at least 20 times already! Can’t get enough of it. What strikes me as odd is how stupid pac is in the ring. He literally leaps face first into JMM’s tsunami punch. And Roy Jones’ ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh made it hilarious.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:32 pm 


Proud African

The biggest winner is Floyd Mayweather. For one thing he did not collapse face first on the canvas with his woman screaming like a banshee. Secondly, many of his haters have been silenced. What a shame for Pacquiao. He fell down like log. He’s shot!

Posted December 10, 2012 12:28 pm 


Huckster

Payscale change come Pacq-Marq 5.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:24 pm 


Mike J

The biggest loser in all of this Pacman…period. 1) Pacman lost the 3rd fight to JMM, but was gifted a decision, got robbed in his win over Bradley, then he got put to sleep this past Saturday. Name one fighter that comes back from a knockout like that??? In recent memory, Jermain Taylor and RJJ suffered the same fate and were never the same…Pacman wont be either. 2) His big pay day with Mayweather is now very unlikely to happen…Mayweather has other big payday options, Pacman does not (thanks to Arum and his constant Top Rank matchmaking). 3) Do you really think Arum doesnt see the proverbial writing on the wall??? He watched his cash cow get knocked out cold, and you know what, he is ready to cash out. I GUARANTEE you we will see a 5th fight, because as non-marketable as this 4th fight was, a 5th is now very marketable given how Saturday night ended. Arum will get his last big payday out of Pacman, at which point Pacman will be magically released from his Top Rank contract.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:23 pm 


The Prince

Marquez is definitely the biggest winner and Pacuqiao the biggest loser, simply because Marquez now calls the shots. If there is going to be a 5th fight, then Marquez will demand the bigger purse, or there is no fight. Pacquiao and Arum will have to kiss Marquez ass if another fight takes place. At the same time, Mayweather and Marquez could agree to another fight which will be huge and make double figure millions for both fighters. And Marquez will agree to the random drug testing, just as he did before the first fight. Mayweather wins also because he has a lot of options for low risk, big reward fights. And as a prize fighters, that’s where you want to be. Haters trying to make Pacquiao’s loss, Mayweather’s, just goes to show how sad Manny fans and Floyd haters are.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:21 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – ESB poster of the year 2012-2013

Is it possible that ants are intelligent? The idea may seem preposterous to some – after all, how can something so small, with the brain the size of a pin head be smart? The very thought of bugs and insects being intelligent seems like an insult to us humans. After all, aren’t we the dominant species. The only species that builds cities, uses tools, farms, and demonstrates the capacity to plan and think?

But if we look closer, we can see that ants exhibit many of the characteristics and behaviours that we associate with intelligence and civilization. In fact, if ants did not exist on Earth but we encountered them on, for example, Mars I am sure that we would wonder if we had encountered an intelligent alien race that builds cities, farms, raises animals, and organizes itself into a complex society complete with social ranks such as nobles, soldiers, workers and slaves. I am sure that we would conclude that these aliens were in fact intelligent.

So let’s explore the alien world of ants right here on Earth and see whether they are intelligent or not.

The Ant City – Fungus Gardens and Urban Planning

Ants Build Cities
I know what you are thinking, ant hills aren’t cities. They’re, well, ant hills. But did you know that large ant hills contain complex ventilation systems that remove carbon dioxide and bring in fresh air, or that they have the equivalent of hundreds of miles of sewers that drain the ant waste into special chambers were the waste is recycled? Did you know that ant cities have a an incredibly complex transportation system including highways? Or that each ant city can hold millions of ants.

Sounds incredible, and for the most part it is difficult to imagine the engineering marvel which is an ant city because most of it is underground. In fact, if we were the size of an ant, most of an ant city would be the equivalent of three miles underground.

The video to the right shows what scientists discovered when they filled an ant city with cement and then dug the resulting cast out of the ground. They were able to see for the first time what an ant city looks like and explore the complex series of chambers, roads and ventilation shafts that allows millions of ants to live underground. The video is amazing and is well worth watching from beginning to end.

Farming Ants

Ants Farm and Cultivate Mushrooms
Ants are the only animal besides humans that farms food. All other creatures hunt or harvest their food where they find it and are dependent on the whims of nature, and climate for their survival. For example, wolves are smart, and they will exhibit cooperation and skill in hunting for food. But wolves do not capture deer and breed them. Deer will forage for grasses and other food, but of course they have no thought of sowing grass seeds to ensure a plentiful supply of foraging crops. In fact, not one animal besides man and ants has ever thought to keep their prey in captivity or to farm plants in order to feed themselves in the future. Even intelligent animals like wolves lack the foresight to plan beyond meeting their immediate needs.

Ants, like humans, farm plants and raise cattle. Sounds preposterous. It’s true.

There are species of ants that collect leaves and take them to specially constructed chambers within their colonies where they grow fungus on the decomposing leaves. The fungus is then eaten by the ants.

The growing of the fungus requires a great deal of planning and forethought: an appropriate chamber must be constructed, the right leaves must be collected, waste must be removed so as not to choke the growing fungus beds, and the leaves must be seeded with the fungus spores. The spores do no grow naturally in throughout the ant colony; the ants must collect the spores and bring them to the leaves.

Fungus farming is an example of intelligence and creativity. Other animals and insects would recognize the food value of fungus growing on leaves if they came across it in the wild. But no other animal or insect, besides humans, would understand that by contaminating a new leaf with the fungus spore, it will result in more food later. This shows intelligence, understanding and the ability to think ahead.

The fact that ants farm is an achievement that sets them apart from the rest of the animal and insect kingdoms. What is even more amazing is that ants have been doing this for millions of years. Humans did not learn to farm until around 5 or 6,000 years ago. Prior to that, humans behaved as hunter gatherers just like the rest of the animal kingdom.

Ants Farm Other Insects
But ants don’t just farm, they raise and keep other insects for food, just like humans raise cattle. Many species of ants will domesticate aphids and act like shepherds by taking the aphids to feed on plants, while protecting them from other insect predators. The ants will then “milk” the aphids by squeezing their abdomens and causing some digested plant juice to be released into the mouths of the ants which will then share this nutritious fluid with the rest of the colony.

The ants behaviour in keeping ants closely parallels that of human shepherds and cattle breeders: ants will take the aphids to different pastures, they will guard them against predators, and they will harvest them.

The ants’ behaviour in this regard is markedly different from that of other animals or insects. Even though wolves display intelligence similar to that of dogs, they lack the foresight to control their instincts and avoid killing their prey in order to get more food in the long run. If a wolf gets his teeth on a rabbit, or a deer, it will kill it and eat it on the spot. No wolf would ever capture the animal, tend to its needs, protect it from other predators and then take food from it without killing it (for example milking a cow) in order to reuse this food resource.

The only animals that do this are humans and ants. And once again ants beat us to it: they have been farming aphids for millions of years. Humans discovered animal husbandry about 6,000 years ago.

Ant Wars

Ants Wage War
Ants are the only animal besides humans which wage war in organized batallions, against other organized opponents. Like humans, ants wage war to capture territory and food resources from other ant colonies. Sometimes ant wars lead to the total defeat of an opponent and the survivors are captured and held as slaves.

Of course, war in itself may not be a great example of intelligence. But the organization, planning and coordination required to wage war is the product of intelligence.

In contrast to the war waging behaviour of many ant colonies, some ant species settle their difference in single combat between champions chosen by each colony. Bert Holldobler, in an article entitled Tournaments and Slavery in a Desert Ant, noted that a species of desert ant conducts tournaments “in which hundreds of ants perform highly stereotyped displayfights”. The losing ant colony is then enslaved.

Ant battle outside the Amherst Historical Society

Ants Capture Slaves
Ant wars will often result in the defeated survivors being kept as slaves by the victorious ant colony. They are incorporated into the new colony and made to work for the victors.

We must not equate ant slavery with the human experience. Obviously human slavery is morally reprehensible and wrong from a political, moral and economic perspective. Still, the taking of prisoners and using them as slaves is a behaviour that is both complex and unique to ants and humans.

When other animals defeat a foe, they either kill it or allow it to retreat. For example, if two male mountain goats fight over a female, they will ram their horns against each other until one either dies or retreats. If the loser retreats, the winner will win right to mate with the female goat. No animal would then make the loser his slave.

Ants, on the other hand, have figured out that defeated enemies can be useful. They can be spared and put to work for the good of the colony.

The ants’ behaviour in capturing and enslaving other ants shows an understanding of 1) deferred benefit (it is better to use the slave ants for future work than to eat them now) and 2) organization (slave ants must be supervised and put to work on assigned tasks).

Ants Teach and Communicate
A recent study has demonstrated that ants can pass on knowledge from one ant to another and teach other ants how to find food.

Ants have been observed to use a teaching technique called “tandem running” in which an ant that knows where to find food, will lead a new ant to the spot. The teacher ant will slow his pace to allow the student ant; if the student ant falls behind.

The teacher ant’s behaviour does not provide a benefit to the teacher. If the teacher were not leading the student ant, it could locate and collect the food about four times faster. But by taking time to lead a novice ant to a food source, it allows other ants to locate the food faster than they would have discovered it on their own. As a result, the entire ant nest benefits.

Scientists believe that this ant behaviour represents “the first time a demonstration of formal teaching has been recognised in any non-human animal”. Once again, humans and ants have something in common.

Ants Cooperate and Exhibit Teamwork
Ants are tiny, but they can cooperate to an amazing degree. Their cooperation exhibits purpose, planning, and command and control. Below are some amazing videos of ants moving large objects, and other ants cutting down a tree.

Their behaviour parallels that of humans. Imagine an ancient workforce of Egyptian labourers building the pyramids by moving giant limestone blocks, and you will have a good comparison to the amazing ants.

Posted December 10, 2012 12:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Some of you guys have the business sense of ANTS, Mayweather did NOT lose 100 mill, no fighter was going to make that as a total purse… Floyd just made 45 mill vs Cotto, he likely lost 15 mill because he might have made 60 mill against Manny BUT he is so huge he can still make 45 mill against Guerrero who will get 3 mill and be happy about it while FMJ takes the whole pot… He can likely make 55 mill against Canelo who brings a fanbase but STILL needs to bend over to fight Mayweather….There is NO spin, the BIG loser the other night was Manny Pacquiao who’s reputation and aura were shattered by a 39 year old fighter best suited to 135 or 140… The BIG winner is JMM who is NOW the premier Mexican fighter of this generation and an ATG, he is a HERO in his homeland for crushing Manny like that and he has the option of booking a 12-15 million dollar payday

Posted December 10, 2012 12:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Manny Pacquiao is amazing he is one of the GREATEST fighters ever and he has been terrific for the sport.. I am a MAJOR Manny Pacquiao fan but there are no excuses to be made he was destroyed badly and he was put down by a 39 year old fighter who has NEVER defeated anyone above 140 pounds EXCEPT for him… Marquez and Pac are both ATG’s and this win vaults JMM to an entirely different level…. He is the man who officially derailed the Pac Man express….. Excuses are only going to make Manny look worse NOT better and to his credit he did not make ANY, he owned the fact he got careless and he got caught by JMM who added the muscle it took to have more snap on his shots….

Posted December 10, 2012 12:09 pm 


Anonymous

ROFL ” comedic writer” why dont u Juggle Floyds Balls with your mouth

Posted December 10, 2012 12:08 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

I agree with the title…

Posted December 10, 2012 12:06 pm 


Anonymous

Floyd lost 100 million dollars and people say OH FLOYD IS SUCH A SMART BUSINESS MAN OH PLEASE FLOYD YOU ARE STUPID NOT TO FIGHT PAC YOU LOST !)) MILLION DOLLARS IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 12:04 pm 


Slade

So Floyd will have to make due with 50 million in his next fight instead of 100……..poor Floyd

Posted December 10, 2012 12:01 pm 


Pactards Butt Hurt

I like how Pactards try to be positive after their idol gets tsunamid by trying to degrade the greatest current fighter Mayweather. True Pactards.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:39 am 


mansworld

This article is ignorant like Floyd somehow needed Manny to cement his legacy? Manny had already been beat 4 times Floyd has never lost. Besides he can go on to fight A undefeated Bradley Alverez or even Martinez and make a cool 200 mil and these are easy work for Floyd…

Posted December 10, 2012 11:30 am 


PEDcquiao Farts Chemicals

ROFL. Author is a Butt Hurt Pactard. PEDcquiao has been KTFO THREE TIMES! And when Floyd fights same opponents he makes more money. BIGGEST LOSER is the guy who was doing his impersonation of Paul Williams kissing the canvas.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:18 am 


srminimo

Author- you’re wrong about one thing: Unless one of these guys decides to retire, Arum didn’t lose at all. Now he has an even bigger 5th fight in his hands that will make him as much, if not more money than a PAC/Mayweather fight.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:08 am 


The Prince

And finally: Floyd wins because he stuck by his stance on random drug testing. Given that many boxers the last two years have been caught juicing, it proved him right. If this is evidence of a loser, then I would love to see the winner.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:07 am 


SREDMOND

How can Floyd be the lose when even when Manny gets knocked out by a guy that Floyd blanked for 12 straight rounds of unrelenting embarassment the convo still turns to the GREAT Money May who is still the Undisputed King of the Hill in boxing..??? I would have wanted to see him and Pac Man fight in 2010 or even 2011, by 2012 the fight was getting stale even though it would have been HUGE economically…. Reality is that alot of Pac’s fans are going to have to accept that the idea that Floyd and Manny are of equal stature in boxing is emphatically OVER after that CRUSHING KO at the hands of a guy who’s best wins (absent this one) were at 135 and below….The name Manny on his resume would have been a boon for Mayweather, but alas that is pretty much in the past absent an unreal resurrection of Pac Mans status.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:07 am 


Anonymous

not that i agree with that fight but i know how business works, and then he’s going to fight canelo…watch!!!

Posted December 10, 2012 11:05 am 


Anonymous

comedic writer dont forget to mention that marquez vs floyd part 2 would also generate alot of $$$ cause ppl. would like to know if marquez can get revenge being that he’s bigger now and on a mexican holiday that would bring in the cheddar and im willing to bet that it is already in negotiations…yeeezzzziiiirr!!

Posted December 10, 2012 11:03 am 


The Prince

Part 2: Mayweather wins, because he doesn’t need Manny Pacquiao to cash in and makes multi-millions. He’s the biggest draw in boxing. Why else do you think every other fighter but Pacquiao is calling him out, hoping to get a fight. And finally, Mayweather wins because Marquez proved that a Mayweather fight might have been career ending for Pacquiao. He is no where near Floyd’s level. Your article sucks.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:03 am 


The Prince

Floyd didn’t lost a thing in the fight between Pacquiao and Marquez. The biggest loser is Manny Pacquiao. He’s suppose to be this special fighter, but couldn’t beat Marquez without any doubt his whole career. Then when it mattered the most, Marquez ended the rivalry with a brutal K.O. He turned down the biggest payday of his career, because he let Bob Arum tell him what to do, instead of fighting for legacy.

Posted December 10, 2012 11:02 am 


tacoBENDER

Floyd will never be the biggest LOSER…and for one reason. He HAS and always WILL call the shots. He will fight WHOEVER and WHENEVER he feels like. He can probably make more money fighting one Saul Alvarez… Manny and Floyd can still be made.. it’s up to Golden Boy and Top Rank…. just SAYIN’

Posted December 10, 2012 10:58 am 


Jones

why should PBF be the biggest looser while it’s Mannys face printed on the canvas? Guys stop the sensention-seeking headliners and remain objective while you provide us with your lame undinformed articles!

Posted December 10, 2012 10:55 am 


Anonymous

Floyd should fight mariod. That would be a terrific fight !

Posted December 10, 2012 10:50 am 



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