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Boxtradamus

OH I forgot to mention that Fight Aficionado said it TOO. (Marquez can’t perform at Welter at 36 yrs old)

Posted January 6, 2013 9:40 pm 


Boxtradamus

Since it seems that I have the floor to MYSELF, let me expound on MY point….about 3 YEARS ago when Floyd shut Marquez OUT at Welter posters such as terror tim, E in Denver, Haimat, and Iron Beach ALL SAID that it was because Marquez was 36 yrs old and can’t perform at Welter because he moved UP too late in his career…. I TOLD them at THAT time that they were INCORRECT. I SAID that Marquez can’t perform vs. Floyd at Welter and neither can anyone ELSE…I also SAID that Marquez can perform vs ANY other Welter besides Mayweather and now the EXPERTS agree with ME as they now rate EVERY Welter besides Mayweather as LESSER than Marquez at Welter at 39 yrs old. I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!

Posted January 6, 2013 9:39 pm 


forreal

…and remember Armstrong remained defiant to the last,had the support of his fans & sponsors who were paying him HANDSOMELY for his endorsement.LOOK,is hard to face reality & come clean when you’re on top,you got a LOT to lose and nothing but shame & embarrassement to gain,it took years and 7 Tour d’ France tittles to finaly the truth to surface…so stay tuned!!

Posted January 5, 2013 4:39 pm 


forreal

…and now doctors are seeing signs of “early Parkinsons” desease?;now,i’m no doctor by any stretch of the imagination,but could it be possible that it could be something else,perhaps side effects of some substance abuse? After all,the man is only 34 and is kind of rare to see Parkinsons-like synptoms in such a relatively young man.only time will tell the whole story!!

Posted January 5, 2013 4:19 pm 


forreal

…face it,PEDman is the original “Lance Armstrong of boxing”;just look at the similarities between the two: several tittles,always passing standard drug tests with flying colors,always speculations & rumors floating around about doping,beating the odds when the challenges are daunting,super-human like performance,and refusal to undergo further testing.In Armstrong case took long years and testimony from eye witnesses to bring him back to earth;in PEDman’s case it would take far longer due to the amount of MONEY & prestige involve;i’m sure there’s people out there that knows WAY too much,but they will remain silent;too much money involve to be wasted!!

Posted January 5, 2013 4:10 pm 


forreal

…and when is PEDman is coming out of the closet as far as PEDS is concern??

Posted January 5, 2013 3:32 am 


Boxtradamus

OH and for those who don’t understand why Marquez is now a Top WW its not about where youvstart its about where you finish. Despite Pacquiao starting as a Flyweight he ended UP as a Top WW and Marquez beat him AT THAT weight while Pacquiao was still a Top WW. Therefore with that WIN Marquez became a Top WW.

Posted January 5, 2013 2:51 am 


Boxtradamus

Where did I SAY that Marquez was “the” Top WW??? I SAID that he is “a” Top WW. GO take a reading class or maybe youre just getting desperate and have no choice but to change MY words and hope I dont catch it. LMFAO. Didn’t work. GOOD try though.

Posted January 5, 2013 1:51 am 


Boxtradamus

Marquez was the BETTER Fighter AND Boxer and despite 3 blind mices attempts at bamboozeling the public the BETTER mqn showed that he got ROBBED and took what was rightfully HIS with an exclamation point.

Posted January 5, 2013 1:20 am 


Boxtradamus

“Box you sound desperate, you are trying to create a 42 round Fight that didnt happen” – Well you may need to take a HEARING class. I dont sound desperate. I sound accurate. I’m not trying to create anything. I’m recalling the 42 round series that DID happen. Each round stands on its own merit and Marquez WON the majority of them. It was NOT a Super 4 or Super 6 it was a Super 42. And WOW did Marquez end it in STYLE.

Posted January 5, 2013 1:09 am 


Boxtradamus

“you are contradicting yourself AGAIN”- Nope. You’re not reading very well AGAIN. I SAID that the actual matchups TRUMPS the rankings. SO when it comes to Marquez vs Pacquiao I don’t need to refer to the rankings. I just refer to the 42 rounds that I already SAW.

Posted January 5, 2013 1:01 am 


SREDMOND

Box even by your twisted logic how would beating PAC make Marquez the Top WW when there was no belt on the line and Mayweather was considered tops at 147 and 154?? You are tripping yourself up AGAIN :)

Posted January 4, 2013 7:36 pm 


Boxtradamus

Cotto never had a superior performance with 8 oz gloves. IF Cotto fought Floyd with 8 oz gloves he would have gotten stopped. CUSHIONING is a factor in Boxing. That’s why they don’t Fight with 4 oz gloves anymore.

Posted January 4, 2013 6:56 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Marquez booking ONE win over Manny Pacquiao does not position him as a top WW fighter sorry” – Sorry for what? Your POOR logic?? Booking a WIN over the Top WW other than Mayweather DOES position Marquez as a Top WW what do you thonk Boxing was built on??? Just as Manny became a Top WW when he beat Cotto, and just as Ortiz became a Top WW when he beat Berto, and just as Leonard became a Top MW when he beat Hagler, and just as Martinez became a Top MW when he beat Pavlik, and just as Hopkins became a top LHW when he beat Tarver…(I could go on all day with this)…Marquez became a Top WW when he beat Pacquiao. The EXPERTS agree with ME on that as you can check the Ring rankings and see that Marquez is the 2nd rated WW on the World behind Mayweather.

Posted January 4, 2013 6:51 pm 


SREDMOND

Mayweather is P4P but you will not see him listed as a Champion outside of 154 and 147 currently…I am not going to bother trying to correct your proprietary definition of P4P, but suffice it to say you cannot be a Champion in a division that you do not even fight in…

Posted January 4, 2013 6:44 pm 


SREDMOND

Box you sound desperate, you are trying to create a 42 round fight which did NOT happen.. Each bout has to be judged on its own merit and despite winning rounds Pac was scoring points by putting Marquez on his seat a total of 5 times… This was NOT a Super 4 or Super 6, these guys NEVER even had to fight again and trying to create a scenario where Marquez had a 4 fight plan to finally win is CORNY and Monday Morning Quarterbacking at its finest. Manny was the better fighter, Marquez the better boxer and despite the win last Saturday, the better fighter has 2 wins and the better boxer has ONE no matter how devastating…

Posted January 4, 2013 6:42 pm 


Boxtradamus

Mayweather IS the Champion from HW to Flyweight. What do you think the P4P title stands for??? He’s the BEST in the ENTIRE Sport.

Posted January 4, 2013 6:39 pm 


SREDMOND

Being a terrific boxer yet unproven in higher divisions is just what it is… At his peak Calderon was awesome at 105 pounds but if you put him in with a guy at 130 he would have been murdered…I know I know, size does not matter but alas it does that is why EXTRA credit and respect is given to guys like Pac, Floyd, SRL, Hearns and Jones because being successful at higher weights is a prohibitive element…Moral to the story is the ONLY WW that Marquez EVER beat was a guy who started at Flyweight and he fought starting at 126 despite his (Pacs Greatness)

Posted January 4, 2013 6:38 pm 


Boxtradamus

“trying to sell 3 LEARNING fights to win one is a POOR strategy given the money and stakes…”-Which is why I’m not selling that. What I’m selling is that Marquez Out Boxed Pacquiao for the majority of 36 rounds going into the 4th Fight before the 4th Fight culminating in a knockout. Just as Marquez WON the majority of the rounds vs Diaz and Katsidis but didnt necessarily beat them down before scoring the stoppage is the same way that he Out Boxed Pacquiao for the majority of 42 rounds before scoring the stoppage. Of course Pacquiao is a MUCH higher caliber opponent than Diaz and Katsidis SO it took longer to score the stoppage. But he got the job DONE. And now there’s nothing left to prove…Even Pacquiao’s most rabid supporters are calling for him to please not go for a knockout to match Marquez. Just go for another decision.

Posted January 4, 2013 6:34 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMOND-Below

Posted January 4, 2013 6:34 pm 


Anonymous

Boxtradamus you are contradicting yourself AGAIN you say that Floyd being rated P4P longer than Manny should have designated him as “Fighter of the Decade” YET you say that Marquez has always been superior to Manny in every way even though Pac Man has been rated AHEAD of him for at least 8 years until his crushing loss in December? You are coming across like a waffler and despite Mayweathers excellence the number of divisions and the fights and fighters he beat made Manny the odds on favorite for the tite.

Posted January 4, 2013 6:32 pm 


SREDMOND

Divisions in boxing are VERY relevant that is why we have them other than that Mayweather would be the Champion of all from HW to Flyweight… Marquez booking ONE win over Manny Pacquiao does not position him as a top WW fighter sorry…He has not shown the ability to compete with ANY other fighter at the weight aside from Pac Man… His only other foray at the weight saw him lose EVERY single round to Floyd Mayweather whereas Pacquiao foe Cotto (Who Pac dominated) made a fight of it during competitive rounds…According to your thesis how could Cotto have a superior performance against Mayweather than Marquez who was laughable???? And trying to tell me their performances are viewed in the same light simply designates you as a fool..

Posted January 4, 2013 6:22 pm 


Boxtradamus

And as far as Manny WINNING Fighter of the Decade by vote, NO VOTE can make 2+2=5. SO I didn’t need to see a vote for Fighter of the Decade. Floyd was rated higher on the P4P list for 8 YEARS to Pacquiao’s 2 and NO VOTE can change it. So I dont need to see a Vote for Fighter of the Decade. I can count for MYSELF.

Posted January 4, 2013 5:56 pm 


Boxtradamus

“If you are going to base Marquez standing on his current ranking then you MUST give Manny the overall nod..”-NO I don’t. The actual matchup TRUMPS rankings. After seeing Marquez out Box Pacquiao for the majority of their previous 36 rounds I didn’t need to refer to the rankings anymore. I referred to what I SAW in those 36 rounds.

Posted January 4, 2013 5:50 pm 


Boxtradamus

Not only is Marquez CURRENTLY ranked higher P4P than Pacquiao’s previous foes above 140, he has ALWAYS been ranked higher than them on the P4P list. Also NEEDS any EXPERT at THIS point??? Not ME. I’ve already seen Marquez against Top WW competition. He out Boxed the Top WW other than Floyd and then knocked him out. Everyone other than Floyd is LESSER WW competition….Boxing is a Sport not a Division anyway. Saying that you’re a WW doesn’t make you BETTER than someone. We already witnessed that in Ortiz vs. Berto, Lopez vs. Ortiz, and Guerrero vs. Aydin. Being a BETTER Boxer makes you BETTER than someone. Marquez is the BETTER Boxer when compared to Manny’s previous WW opponents Manny Pacquiao agrees with ME on that.

Posted January 4, 2013 5:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo “as far as YOU are concerned” does NOT equal victory so substituting YOUR opinion for official outcomes ONLY flys in your mind especially with CLOSE fights… The ledger stands at 2-1-1 with Pac Man having 2 wins and Marquez the marquis victory….Trying to use the “Chess Checkers” analogy is WEAK in lieu of the fact that NO ONE told or guaranteed Marquez 4 fights before he FINALLY claimed a victory… In essense you are saying that Marquez wanted to lose 2 and draw one so that 8 years later he could get a solid win? Nice dream, God Bless Marquez for getting his hardcore KO but alas he until he ACTUALLY won he did NO better than book a draw and that was 8 years ago..What Karma did Pac Man experience?? Beating Marquez? ODH, Margo, Barrera, Morales, Larios, Diaz, Cotto, Clottey??? Whats the Karma he did his job!

Posted January 4, 2013 4:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Box, he was the beneficiary because expectations were SO High for Pac and so LOW for Marquez… He did not get the official nod but in the court of public opinion he was lauded and almost billed as having totally dominated and beat Pac Man down when the truth is he was precise and sharp yet he was NOT pressing the action and his activity was LOW….In my opinion this skewed perceptions because he was slated for NO LESS than a KO loss instead he fought Manny close like he does EVERY fight… Postfight many treated the outcome like an epic robbery which was BOGUS….

Posted January 4, 2013 4:05 pm 


forreal

And i read an article from the Phillippine press that says doctors are seeing early signs of Parkinsons on Pacquiao(or maybe is “Marquenzon”?),but anyway they might even recommend retirement from boxing.

Posted January 4, 2013 3:51 pm 


SREDMOND

Box, trying to sell 3 LEARNING fights to win one is a POOR strategy given the money and stakes… I am a HUGE Marquez supporter and his win is the Marquis one of the entire series… That said he was unable to conquer Pacquiao 3 times previously despite the back and forth about these close fights… It took him 4 fights, 8 years and milllions in lost revenue to claim a victory… God Bless his persistence and committment but if it always took 4 fights to beat a rival most would NEVER get the chance… How many guys bang 4 or 5 times professionally?? Like some you are playing Monday Morning Quarterback at the END of the game…I personally have always believed Marquez was going to trouble Pac after the second fight….

Posted January 4, 2013 3:48 pm 


SREDMOND

No they really don’t they CURRENTLY list Marquez as P4P #3 in the world where are all these experts who believe that Marquez would be a successful WW fighter against top competition? Please spare me your proprietary definition of P4P…. Trying to establish Marquez as a threat at WW based on his ability to handle Manny which is something he did at 126, 130, 144 and 147 does not fly when he has NOT proven himself against ANYONE at the weight beyond Pac Man….If you are going to base Marquez standing on his current P4P ranking then you MUST give Manny the overall nod because he was P4P #1 or #2 in the world for FAR longer than Marquez and if you want to LEAN on experts they voted Manny the Fighter of the Decade with FMJ #2 in the running… This is akin to Tarver being seen overall better than Roy Jones across his career…

Posted January 4, 2013 3:42 pm 


Boxtradamus

You cannot use the OBVIOUS and conclusive ending of the 4th Fight to dictate the action of the battles that preceded it…”Which is why I didnt DO that. I let the actions of the battles that preceded the knockout dictate MY prediction before the Fight. It was already CLEAR that Marquez could land the most effective Punches by the end of the 3rd Fight. All he needed was a little more MUSTARD on his Punches and it was also CLEAR that he had identified that. Thus him doing MUCH strength training before the 4th Fight.

Posted January 4, 2013 3:42 pm 


Boxtradamus

“you say that Marquez is BETTER than Pacquiao YET when I point out that he was a 7-1 underdog you say he was NOT the beneficiary”- Exactly. How is he the beneficiary when the Judges still gave it to Pacquiao??? Like I SAID Marquez was the VICTIM of bad eyesight. That’s why he had to knock Pac out but Pac never had to knock him out. Pac was the beneficiary NOT Marquez.

Posted January 4, 2013 3:32 pm 


forreal

…haimat,by continuing posting your conspiracy theories you make yourself look the fool that you really are;can’t you see that PEDman is a SUCKER for STRAIGHT RIGHT HANDS and Marquez & his team knows this DAMN WELL and this is why he has been so successful against him? After 4 fights and going over the replays of previous fights, i’m almost certain that they have studied every round and came to the conclusion that IT IS the RIGHT hand,specially STRAIGHT the most effective weapon against a left hand fighter that constantly is in the offensive,lunging forward every so often…review eacg & everyone of those fights and see for yourself what i’m trying to say.

Posted January 4, 2013 3:26 pm 


Boxtradamus

“pretending that Marquez matches up well the fighters above 140 that Pacquiao ACTUALLY defeated his not sellable”- Which is why I don’t pretend. I tell the TRUTH that Marquez matches up WELL because he is the BETTER Boxer and every credible EXPERT agrees with ME on that. Also Marquez proved in the Ring when he WON more rounds in ONE Fight above 140 than ALL of Pacquiao’s previous opponents won COMBINED. In FACT I predicted it right HERE on this site. A poster names Iron Beach was even bold to bet me I was wrong. That’s why he hasnt been seen or heard from SINCE.

Posted January 4, 2013 3:22 pm 


SREDMOND

Typo= he did NOT end Marquez

Posted January 4, 2013 3:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo, since Pac Man was such a trainwreck of a human during his prime according to you then why was Marquez UNABLE to clearly beat him and why did he end Barrera, Marquez and ODH careers at the top? TKO Miguel Cotto? drive Ricky Hatton into retirement, crush the HUGE Margaritos eye socket and force Clottey to go into survival mode…. You have REALLY given Pac Man a HUGE compliment, by saying why he lead a life of vice he was STILL able to become Fighter of the Decade, win 4 lineal Championships, and titles in a SOLID 7 weight classes….Imagine if he had applied himself LOL!!! In essence you say that Pac Man compromised himself but his opponents were STILL helpless… Nice compliment Tumbo!

Posted January 4, 2013 3:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Box, that fight was VERY debateable, I watched and told my friends that Marquez is letting off the gas at the WRONG time… He should have pressed the action as the contest went on to assure victory… INSTEAD he left a close fight where he was not the more active boxer to the judges and lost.. Seems he learned his lesson in the 4th bout and looked to hurt Pac Man more than he did simply land a few standout combos per round like he did in the 3rd fight… AGAIN I had no issue with winning but anyone trying to pretend those fights were runaway or clear as a bell is FULL of it….

Posted January 4, 2013 2:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Boxtradamus you contradict yourself, you say that Marquez is BETTER than Pacquiao YET when I point out that he was a 7-1 underdog you say he was NOT the beneficiary of low expectations?? Do you think those odds were appropriate or do you think they LOWBALLED Marquez talent which is what I believe… Given those low expectations a somewhat neutral battle between Manny and Marquez give Marquez a magnified performance… I think their fights were tossups and debateable, aggression vs precision, activity and power vs technical prowess… You cannot use the OBVIOUS and conclusive ending of the 4th fight to dictate the action of that battles that preceded it… Those contests have to stand alone…

Posted January 4, 2013 2:53 pm 


Boxtradamus

“the BEST boxer does not always win”- Nope. But most of the time they DO.

Posted January 4, 2013 2:49 pm 


Boxtradamus

“if JMM is “better than Manny in every way” then why was he unable to conclusively beat him down and avoid hitting the floor 5 times along the way?” – The same reason that he was unable to conclusively beat Katsidis down and avoid hitting the floor on his way to knocking HIM out. JMM is more about the ENDS justifying the MEANS.

Posted January 4, 2013 2:47 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Marquez paucity of activity let him open to loss despite his precision”- Nope. Pacquiao’s lack of effective Punching in majority of the rounds left him open to getting Out Boxed but the 3 blind mice gave him a gift. Right before the scorecards were read Pacquiao prayed to God that he would be given the decision and it worked.

Posted January 4, 2013 2:40 pm 


Boxtradamus

“The better argument is that Marquez deserved ONE of those wins for Pac Man either fighter number 2 or fight number 3″- No. Thats the LESSER argument. The BETTER argument is that Pacquiao WON one Fight at MOST.

Posted January 4, 2013 2:28 pm 


Boxtradamus

hecdog-NICE way of saying that I have no logic to support my argument. Your throwing IN of the towel is accepted.

Posted January 4, 2013 2:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Boxtradmaus if JMM is “better than Manny in every way” then why was he unable to conclusively beat him down and avoid hitting the floor 5 times along the way? I credit Marquez with being a better technical boxer but the BEST boxer does not always win when in the ring with a superior athlete with unusual gifts ie handspeed, power, chin and stamina…Marquez CERTAINLY owns the marquis victory of this series but pretending that Marquez matches up well with the fighters above 140 pounds that Pacquiao ACTUALLY defeated his not sellable… I know you will go into your “skills rant” but truth be told we cannot credit JMM with being a WW destroyer when the only WW he ever beat was Pac Man who like himself cameup from FAR lower weight classes…. Guys like Cotto, Clottey and Margo were not getting beat by any former 130 guys except Pac/May

Posted January 4, 2013 11:44 am 


SREDMOND

The better argument is that Marquez deserved ONE of those wins for Pac Man either fighter number 2 or fight number 3…. Truth is the draw did have a miscalculated card and thats just a matter of public record…But honestly those fights were SOOOO hard to judge that I do NOT envy the judges.. Marquez has been the beneficiary at times of LOW expectations so when he fought Manny close and was super competitive everyone WILDLY swayed to his side of the ledger…During the 3rd fight he was an insane 7-1 underdog so unless Manny knocked him out he was basically going to be lauded for his performance which was indeed very good nonetheless…Truth is that until the 4th fight NEITHER man owned a non-debatable win over the other…Marquez paucity of activity let him open to loss despite his precision… Thats boxing…

Posted January 4, 2013 11:35 am 


Haimat

Heredia’s expertise is to combine the intake of a wide variety of PEDs with daily supervision of detectable substances. He takes daily blood samples and tests that the testosterone and ghGH ratios are within the legal limits. If you want to go running or build your strength the old-fashion way without the PEDs, contact Ariza or Ruben Tabares.

Posted January 4, 2013 6:26 am 


Haimat

forreal, what’s wrong with you? Are you drunk?

Posted January 4, 2013 6:14 am 


forreal

…hecdog,years from now,when you encounter a casual box fan and you engage into a boxing conversation with something like this: “…hey,do you remember the GREAT Manny Pacquiao?”;and i’m almost 100% certain that you’ll get a reply like…”oh yeah,wasn’t he the dude that got hit SO HARD by that Mexican guy that he fell face down first and the wife was like crying by ringside?,yeah;i think i remember him!!”

Posted January 4, 2013 4:35 am 


Boxtradamus

Pacquiao should have one WIN at the MOST vs Marquez. That’s why I told you to ask yourself who WON the majority of the rounds not go by 3 blind mices scorecards. Also what makes you figure that Marquez was on his way to a loss had the KO not occurred??? Marquez was down one point going into the 6th. SO if by some miracle Pacquiao had gotten UP before the count of 10 Marquez would have WON the round 10-8 and would be UP one point going into the 7th. SO according to YOUR own logic Pacquiao was on his way to a LOSS…A Fighter doesn’t have everything to DO with his level of competition. There are other factors such as risk-reward. Manny is more able to get BETTER Fighters to face him because the financial reward is BETTER than facing JMM. Though JMM faced Floyd while Manny did not SO his level of competition is NOT higher than JMM’s by a mile…I never saw Manny beat anybody that JMM couldn’t beat and I’ve been saying it for YEARS…JMM is BETTER than Pacquiao in every way now. Pacquiao used to be able to SAY that he had the most dominant round in the series but now he can’t even say THAT anymore. JMM has WON more rounds than Pacquiao AND he has the most DOMINANT round AND WIN. Theres nothing else to prove.

Posted January 4, 2013 1:21 am 


Boxtradamus

Haimat-What you picture when you read my posts is irrelevant. The TRUTH remains no matter WHO or WHAT you picture. To beat JMM DO whatever it takes to stay on your feet Pac and then sit back and watch your Under the table BOYS commit ROBBERY.

Posted January 3, 2013 11:00 pm 


Boxtradamus

hecdog-Admitting that you’re a Pacquiao fan is the First step on the road to the absolute TRUTH. Now the question that you need to ask yourself IS IF Marquez WON the majority of their 44 rounds Boxed WHY do you still think that Manny is the better Fighter?? Each round is a Chapter in the Book of “WHO is the BETTER MAN?”

Posted January 3, 2013 10:55 pm 


Haimat

Apparently Pacquiao is showing signs of Parkinsons. I sincerely hope he retires now. There is absolutely no need to fight Juan Manuped Marquez one last time.

Posted January 3, 2013 10:19 pm 


Haimat

Boxtradamus, I picture Tyson Fury when I read your posts. To beat JMM, train well. Don’t go for the KO. In, touch him, out. That’s it.

Posted January 3, 2013 10:18 pm 


Boxtradamus

hecdog-I don’t see anything wrong with having your Favorite Fighter but you have to let the TRUTH overrule your FANBOYISM. Otherwise YOU just end UP looking NON credible in the end…I remember guys like Haimat and TARK saying that Khan would blow Marquez out of the water LMFAO. Now I’ll bet you a million bucks that they have NO recollection of that. LOL…Now Haimat is left searching for Excuses while TARK SLYLY jumps on the bandwagon…When your memory is as GREAT as mine as time passes these guys posts become more and more hilarious. HAHAHA!!

Posted January 3, 2013 8:48 pm 


Boxtradamus

LOL @ hecdog. He sounds just like those Roy Jones and Mike Tyson fans who were in denial when their hero got beat. They had to see their guy get knocked out 3 or 4 times before they woke UP and smelled the coffee.

Posted January 3, 2013 8:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Lance Armstrong had direct testiomony from MANY former teammates all of them shady regarding him using substances.. Marquez has NOTHING but accusations based on ONE mindblowing performance and a strength trainer with a shady past who has been around for at least a YEAR now… AGAIN if Pac Man had not been knocked cold none of this would be discussed.

Posted January 3, 2013 5:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Haimat, where do you get the ignorant notion that World Class trainers have to be World Class athletes themselves? Freddy Roach has Parkinsons and trains, Dundee was 1000 years old with Leonard, Manny Steward RIP was an OLD man dying while training Klitschko… Having the ability to convey knowledge and motivate is what a strength coach does…Truth is you have convicted Marquez based on Heredias past… Meanwhile JMM passed all appropriate tests and added Pac Mans scalp to his wall…

Posted January 3, 2013 5:52 pm 


forreal

…and no,i don’t even smoke!!,i hold a federal security clearance that is good for 10 years and subject for review;you know what that means?;it means that you BETTER BE AS CLEAN as a surgical instrument…otherwise,kiss it & goodbye!!

Posted January 3, 2013 4:07 pm 


forreal

…PEDman got KTFO,accept it,move on!!

Posted January 3, 2013 4:01 pm 


Haimat

forreal, word. dude. damn

Posted January 3, 2013 3:55 pm 


Haimat

Again, I’m repeating myself here, It’s difficult to see why any athlete would work with a self admitted “chemist, scientist and nutritionist” who is the best in the world on maximizing performance using PEDs if not to maximize ones performance by PEDs. Again, Heredia’s strengths are not strength and conditioning. The dude is fat and doesn’t even run with his clients. Sure, he might not give Marquez anything illegal but I doubt it. Lance Armstrong might be innocent also ;)

Posted January 3, 2013 3:54 pm 


forreal

…i don’t even smoke!!,but even a potthead can watch the replay and say: …damn dude,that MOFO got KTFO!!

Posted January 3, 2013 3:50 pm 


SREDMOND

Haimat, Heredia and Conte did what a TON of other guys who are evading tests did they are just high profile because of the athletes they worked with who were ultimately implicated you are asserting the Heredia is STILL doping guys even though he is working with the government…You are throwing Marquez under the bus and assuming the EVERY athlete Heredia chose to work with is a cheater when that is simply NOT proveable….Lance Armstrong opted to stop fighting charges against a somewhat indirect admission of guilt… Who was working with him?? it has been reported that Armstrong passed 500 tests in his career…. Conte and Heredia made the radar so now you think they have some proprietary knowledge above and beyond many in the world of athletics… Thats naive and if you choose to smear Marquez, it reeks of bias and agenda… As of today Pac Man got stopped he NEVER wanted extra testing…

Posted January 3, 2013 3:48 pm 


Haimat

LOL you’re a pothead forreal. :)

Posted January 3, 2013 3:41 pm 


forreal

…go watch the replay of the K.O in SLOW MOTION over & over again,i’m sure it will sooth your soul!!

Posted January 3, 2013 3:39 pm 


Haimat

forreal, how much do you actually understand. You are just repeating the same thing over and over again. What drugs are you on?

Posted January 3, 2013 3:35 pm 


forreal

…why don’t you guys file a lawsuit on PEDman’s behalf and see how far that will get you?

Posted January 3, 2013 3:31 pm 


forreal

…your boy got KTFO and you guys STILL in denial;accept it & live with it…your life will be much better;nope amount of whining from your part will change that FACT!!

Posted January 3, 2013 3:28 pm 


Haimat

SREDMOND, you’re so dead certain on your views that we’re getting nowhere. Live in ignorance if you believe that Marquez could get the same quality of PEDs “at ANY meathead gym out there”. Like I said in my first response to you on this thread. You know basically nothing about the subject but you keep on going like a broken record.

Posted January 3, 2013 3:24 pm 


Haimat

SREDMOND, Heredia works with Usain Bolt, JMM and that kind of calibre of athletes. He did work with Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones. They all became champions of the world and made millions of dollars. According to the NY Times, his athletes have won 26 Olympic medals. Sure the old Soviets must have had great chemists and what not but I don’t know about these guys and I doubt that Marquez knows about them. We’re in 2013.
What Conte did with Balco was manufacture top of the line anabolic steroids which transformed top athletes into elite athletes, thus Champions. These substances were not detectable in the tests back then. Perfected PED usage is a strong word. What Heredia does is combine the intake of a wide variety of PEDs with daily supervision of detectable substances. He tests that the testosterone and ghGH ratios are within the legal limits even though they might be much higher than any normal person.

Posted January 3, 2013 3:22 pm 


forreal

…you see,these are the same PACtards who were condemning the Maywethers for demanding additional RANDOM BLOOD TESTING if they were to fight…PEDman even SUED the Mayweathers for christ sake!!…these PACtards take the term hypocrasy to a new level!!

Posted January 3, 2013 3:20 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Hecdog why are you clamoring for a 5th fight..? Marquez will use Angel Heredia again and according to you he’s a master of masking PED’s so what good would RDTing do if they fight again..you’re contradicting yourself acting concern for Manny Pacquiao’s health but reality is Marquez left a bitter taste in your mouth when he ktfo of your boy..one minute pactards are saying Pac was winning until he got careless, the next was his (Marquez) new found strength and power and my favorite a desperation/lucky punch..truth is all you sore losers will continue to smear Marquez name no matter what..nothing can ever change the image of Dinamita planting Manny’s face in the canvas face first ass up so you’re just gonna have to live with it..

Posted January 3, 2013 2:57 pm 


forreal

THE “SORE LOSER CLUB”: owner: hecdog;president & CEO:haimat;chairman of the board:rem;general manager:anonymous…please present your CERTIFIED PACTARD I.D when applying for membership…no brains required;low I.Q highly welcome!!

Posted January 3, 2013 2:47 pm 


forreal

Welcome to the SORE LOSER CLUB!!

Posted January 3, 2013 2:41 pm 


REM

HERNANDEZ SHOULD B THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD FOR FIGURING OUT HOW TO DRAMATICALLY INCREASE PUNCHING POWER. PEOPLE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE K.O PUNCH THERE WAS ALSO A KD AS WELL. I WATCHED THE FIGHT YESTERDAY AND IN THE 2ND PAC HIT MARQUEZ WITH A SIMILAR SHOT THAT KOED PAC BUT MARQUEZ SHOOK HIS NO TO SAY IT DIDNT HURT HIM LMAO. THEN AGAIN IN THE 3RD HE SHOOK HIS HEAD NO FROM A MONSTER PAC COMBO THEN PROCEEDED TO HIT PAC WITH A NUKE OF RIGHTHAND LOL MARQUEZ PERFORMED A LITTLE TO GOOD. YES THERES NO PROOF SO THERES NO ARGUMENT IM JUST STATING WHAT HAPPENED.

Posted January 3, 2013 2:40 pm 


SREDMOND

Hecdog, I am about 100 times more objective than most as it pertains to Pac Man, I am a MAJOR fan of Manny, Marquez and Mayweather… I have defended Pacquiao against the SAME unproven accusations so my stances are consistent as opposed to guys having a set of shifting standards as it pertains to these guys.. Mannys a terrific ATG fighter but he got knocked out and thats just life….

Posted January 3, 2013 2:39 pm 


forreal

…the screaming mimis are at it again!!!,get over it ,your whinning is getting old already.PEDman and Marquez both passed the required tests that YOU guys loved so much…DEAL WITh IT!!

Posted January 3, 2013 2:31 pm 


SREDMOND

Do you REALLY believe that guys were NOT using and evading prior to BALCO breaking loose? That is sheer comedy smart people call that the “tip of the iceberg” all this rhetoric because Pacquiao got knocked out…We all know that Heredia has the acumen but the knowledge base is well known in the doping community… No one needs Angel Heredia to cheat, he is just a high profile name as is Conte, Trevor Graham and the rest….

Posted January 3, 2013 2:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Haimat WHAT planet are you from you must be 15 years old??? Conte and Heredia “pioneered and perfected PED usage” the Soviets had been experimenting with HGH and PED’s since the 1950′s they have been around forever you are showing INCREDIBLE naivete to think that these two took it to the next level… EVERY single year chemists are changing a molecule or two on a proven anabolic so that technically it is different than something on the WADA banned list… WADA or the appropriate body then discovers and adds the new compound and the rabbit chase goes on…If you think Conte and Heredia are the top of the food chain you are out of your mind considering the number of athletes using banned substances…

Posted January 3, 2013 2:09 pm 


Haimat

Likewise hecdog, I have to give it to SREDMOND, he’s stubborn as a mule :)

Posted January 3, 2013 12:52 pm 


Haimat

and SREDMOND, why would you say “There are TONS of guys at the collegiate and professional levels that have the ability to evade tests just like Conte and Heredia”?? That’s just ridiculous. I could argue that my local boxing coach is just as great as Virgil Hunter but the truth is that he’s not. There is a huge difference and if you don’t see that I don’t know what to tell you anymore…

Posted January 3, 2013 12:50 pm 


Haimat

SREDMOND, Heredia describes himself as a chemist, scientist and nutritionist. That’s far from what you describe him as a “WELL schooled strength and conditioning coach”. And for the record Conte and Heredia they did pioneer and perfect the practice of anabolic steroid use. Do your homework and read about the BALCO scandal. Conte manufactured and sold these top notch steroids for five years to the best athletes in the world until an anonymous tip set a huge investigation going which became the BALCO scandal.

Posted January 3, 2013 12:46 pm 


Haimat

SREDMOND, I highly doubt that “There are TONS of guys at the collegiate and professional levels that have the ability to evade tests just like Conte and Heredia” That’s ridiculous. As a matter of fact Conte and Heredia did pioneer the practice of steroid use. Conte started selling these products in 1998 and was very successful with the help of Heredia and others for almost five years until an anonymous tipster caused the BALCO scandal in 2003.
Heredia describes himself as a “chemist, scientist and nutritionist”. That’s not the same thing as you say “WELL schooled strength and conditioning coach”.
Redmond you should quit this discussion now. Not much more to it…

Posted January 3, 2013 12:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Haimat, you say that working with Bolt and Marquez Heredias “Main Focus is PED’s and not physical training” there is NOT a way in the world you can substantiate this were you with these men during the course of their training with Heredia? You are saying that Nacho and everyone else is along for the ride… You make these GRAND sweeping statements but the fun part for you is that they do NOT require a SHRED of proof…. By your statements you assume that Heredia is incapable of moving forward without juicing his athletes? His past though dubious does not dictate his future and you fail to mention that he has been working with the government…I know you have a conspiracy to mitigate these realities but Marquez has been a clean fighter for his entire career as we know it and deserves the benefit of the doubt…. If he had something to hide why would he not have dumped Heredia after bout number 3???

Posted January 3, 2013 12:37 pm 


SREDMOND

Haimat NO ONE negates the fact that they have “know how above and beyond average” but these guys are NOW deposed faces of a bigger problem… Their cover is blown and the reality is that if you want to cheat using high profile guys like Conte and Heredia would be the WORST way to go, its akin to wanting to launder money and having Madoff as the front man…There are TONS of guys at the collegiate and professional levels that have the ability to evade tests just like Conte and Heredia they did NOT pioneer the practice NOR did they perfect it or they would not be currently derided as co-conspirators in various scandals…. AGAIN where was this outcry when Marquez ONLY boxed Manny in the 3rd fight???

Posted January 3, 2013 12:31 pm 


Haimat

nameless, did you believe or do you believe that Lance Armstrong is a doper?

Posted January 3, 2013 12:24 pm 


Haimat

nameless, that is very sad indeed. 20 years of wars will do that to you. I hope Manny quits. Who cares about a fifth fight if your life is on the line…

Posted January 3, 2013 12:23 pm 


Haimat

nameless, the link is on sher dog.net. ESB won’t let me post it.

Posted January 3, 2013 12:14 pm 


Haimat

SREDMOND, of course there is always a risk of getting caught but not by testing positive in the “Olympic Style Tests” or any other tests. Someone might say something or whatever but the tests are not an issue. These guys are pros. They know exactly what they are doing. Read about the BALCO scandal on wikipedia.

Posted January 3, 2013 12:12 pm 


Nameless

The third link was some CBS fool who says bolt is a doper and “Anyone wasting words extolling the greatness of Usain Bolt should know better.” Balls. His slow times are because he damn near jogs the last 15 meters

Posted January 3, 2013 12:08 pm 


Haimat

Heredia had Marion Jones training ten hours a day without getting injured. Checking her blood levels every day to make sure she wouldn’t test positive. I’m more and more impressed the more I read about this guy.

Posted January 3, 2013 11:59 am 


Haimat

Google Angel Heredia and click on the third hit. It’s a translated interview with the man from 2008 in Der Spiegel where he explains his career as a “strength coach” as you like to call him from start to that point.

Posted January 3, 2013 11:56 am 


Haimat

SREDMOND,www.sherdog.net/forums/f13/angel-heredia-interview-sports-doping-1927491/ a piece in Der Spiegel which explains Heredia’s career as a “strength coach” from the beginning. Read it and get back to me!

Posted January 3, 2013 11:55 am 


SREDMOND

Haimat, how EXACTLY do YOU know the extent of Heredias knowledge regarding physical training? Have you worked with him and how can YOU be privy to all the information in this mans mind? He has advanced degrees and PED’s aside this is indeed is chosen field of endeavor.. AGAIN you are assigning all these arbitrary limitations on his knowledge to bolster your case against Marquez, in a vain attempt to get Pac Man a pardon for his KO loss….Heredia knows MORE about Exercise Science than you or I EVER will because we don’t work with Elite athletes at that level…. Stop the BS the guy did more than just mix syringes… Like I said Marquez was NOT questioned about Heredia this heavily till he knocked one of the Cash Cows of boxing ICE COLD….

Posted January 3, 2013 11:43 am 


SREDMOND

Haimat, I don’t accuse ANY fighter UNLESS he tests positive and thats just the way it goes… Nowadays guys are using this as a means to smear any boxer they do not like or somehow mitigate any loss they are NOT happy a about…. Peterson, Toney, Vargas, Both and others have tested positive but JMM, Pac and Donaire NEVER did and thus they deserve the benefit of the doubt… ANY trainer or strength coach can get his hands on PED’s and the masking agents and protocols to give a better chance of passing… Like I said if Heredia and Conte were so damn foolproof why were they in trouble with the government?? If they are the BEST at hiding duplicity then why are they in the spotlight and others still operating under the radar??

Posted January 3, 2013 11:31 am 


SREDMOND

Haimat, what I am saying is that BOTH you and “Hecdog” are VERY naive if you think that the ONLY guy with knowledge of how to beat the system in boxing is Angel Heredia… Marquez has a guy that immediately casts a spotlight on him but the TRUTH is that if Marquez had LOST or been the victim NO ONE would be speculating about PED usage…Keith Kizer in 2010 noted 60 boxers had tested positive and MOST lost their bouts… When Manny was smashing fighters the rumors flew that he was cheating, when he began having tough nights out suddenly people were no longer pressing those assumptions…We know there are proven benefits physiologically to taking PED’s but NO ONE has showed me scientifically that they make you a better or more powerful fighter…Vargas was juiced out of his mind and he still got stopped how do you explain??

Posted January 3, 2013 11:27 am 


Haimat

SREDMOND, working with Conte means that Donaire is taking PEDs, not necessarily illegal and without any risk of failing any test out there. That’s obvious. Conte is very good at what he does.

Posted January 3, 2013 10:58 am 


SREDMOND

Haimat, STOP overstating JMM’s power you are trying to sell him as Mike Tyson because he layed out Pacquiao… The fact is that JMM has ALWAYS been a guy who could get fighters out of there, in case you missed it he has 40 stoppages on his record..But inflexible brains are wedded to the idea that he could NOT stop Manny Pacquiao in such devastating fashion and it was that thinking that set Pac Man up to be careless and overaggressive… Who thought Buster Douglas would stop Tyson? or Holyfield stop Tyson? Mosley stop Margarito? Tarver and Johnson KO Jones? This is boxing and the same punch on a different night can lay ANY man out…. Pac Man got his ticket punched and while JMM bulked up, alot of it had to do with technique and Pacquiao’s reckless momentum adding to the force generated.

Posted January 3, 2013 10:03 am 


SREDMOND

Hecdog, NOW you are speaking for the government and you say “they don’t care what he and JMM do” if they are so indifferent then why was Heredia working with them under duress? and why did they go after stars like Clemmons, Bonds, Mcgwire and a slew of others?? Victor Conte has worked with Fighter of the Year Nonito Donaire and yet no one accuses him….??? Why because he submits to year round random? What do you think these Olympian were passing… Heredia and Conte are NOT the only guys in the world who know how to adminster PED’s and the common denominator between both is that their people got caught just like all the rest…Marquez might have taken a public relations risk using a guy with Heredias background but the fact is that he (Heredia) has a TON of knowledge about modern sports science and strength training which Marquez used to GREAT effect while passing the appropriate tests… LIVE WITH IT!

Posted January 3, 2013 9:56 am 


Sansome

How can a negative test be proof of anything? Angel Heredia is well known for being able to beat the tests whilst still allowing his athletes to gain abilities well beyond the average athlete.

Posted January 3, 2013 9:35 am 


Haimat

and I have no problem with Manny not wanting to give blood before the fight as long as he gives blood after the fight which has never been a problem. As far as testing goes it doesn’t matter.

Posted January 3, 2013 8:00 am 


OneInchPunch

he lost due to a wicked punch that put him to sleep… the author is only trying to make excusses for him.

Posted January 3, 2013 7:57 am 


OneInchPunch

Pac had a problem with…. didn’t want his blood taken before a fight!!!

Posted January 3, 2013 7:19 am 


OneInchPunch

Haimat… Jamaican sprinters…. Bolt…. i don’t thinks so…. Blake…. i don’t think so. you are a fool… in today’s era nO top sprinter would get away with taking PEDS… especial someone like Bolt who would be tested at virtually every race he attended. How many Athletes at the olymipics tested positive for PEDS. don’t envy the jamaicans sprinters because they are the best and clean!! only in boxing and a few other sports are PEDs allowed to flourish due to poor governance or fractured governance. Athletic has strong governance and is the front runner for testing…. that’s why boxing should adopt its testing across the board. I’m not a big fan of Floyd M jr… but i take my hat off to him for demanding his opponents submitted to random blood and urine testing.

Posted January 3, 2013 7:14 am 


forreal

…but anyways,i just giggle every time i see that whack…LOL!!

Posted January 3, 2013 5:26 am 


forreal

Hecdog,you can whine all you want,nobody gives a damn,the record STANDS:Pacquiao KTFO by Marquez…one of the greatest K.O’S in boxing history…DEAL WITH IT!!

Posted January 3, 2013 4:24 am 


te tumbo

“Denial is a hard thing to overcome . . .” you can say that again. it’s been three weeks and You still can’t accept that Pacquiao* was legally KTFO by Juan Manuel Marquez. after all, NSAC testing has always been the preferred testinging standard of Arum, Roach, and Pacquiao* himself. they’ve all publicly stated so along with several Pacquiao* fanboys. too bad that these days “Chicago Guy” is hiding under a rock somewhere. few defended the integrity of standard testing than “Chicago Guy”.

Posted January 3, 2013 2:17 am 


Boxtradamus

Before debating with ME please learn more about Boxing.

Posted January 3, 2013 1:34 am 


we will rise again

wew top 15 greatest KO in history by yahoo includes pacquiao marques and all of the greats in boxer but i wonder i dont see the name floyd on the list hahaha because his a coward i mean a rich coward…..

Posted January 2, 2013 11:11 pm 


Hidalgo

“I’m not going to look at any links because MY memory is GREATER than your links.” No, of course you won’t because you would realize that you are WRONG! I posted links from Ring Magazine and two other sites. So if YOU don’t want to go LOOK at them, that’s FINE with me Braggidiot. Once a fool always a fool and you will always be a fool.

Posted January 2, 2013 10:33 pm 


Haimat

Great posts hecdog.

Posted January 2, 2013 10:32 pm 


Haimat

SREDMOND, you basically know nothing about how elite athletes use PEDs. By elite I mean guys like Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones, Jamaican sprinters and what not. Should elite fighters do PEDs they will most likely spend the necessary money to get the most bang for your buck without the slightest risk of getting caught. There are a few guys out there and Heredia is probably the best of the bunch.

hecdog obviously hit a sore spot. You go bananas and write one post after another where you deny that JMM could ever take PEDs. Wake up! Did you think Marion Jones, Armstrong and basically every US sprinter the last 30 years took PEDs? These guys are sophisticated. Marion Jones could train for ten hours a day without getting injured. That’s simply not possible without PEDs.

Posted January 2, 2013 9:53 pm 


Hidalgo

BTW Braggy, the link from enewsreporting is from July. , 2011.

Posted January 2, 2013 7:27 pm 


Hidalgo

Here you go, Braggadamus:h ttp://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine’s_Annual_Ratings:_Pound_For_Pound–2000s.

Posted January 2, 2013 7:21 pm 


TARK

JMM didn’t need to be on PEDs with that punch… That shot had “Life Insurance.” The certainty that the concussive effects would live through any referee’s 10-count many times over… It didn’t need to be thrown so powerfully because it landed so perfectly, and no welterweight in the world was going to get up if they got tagged with it.

Posted January 2, 2013 7:20 pm 


SREDMOND

Hecdog says “IN his opinion JMM was dirty” what HARD science do you base this on and what are your credentials? Reality is that you are a common rumor monger and snake oil salesman who cannot stomach Marquez passing the SAME tests Manny took while blasting him in the process… Marquez knocked out 40 fighters in his career, exactly 1 or 2 MORE than Manny Pacquiao, this was NOT his first time at the Rodeo but the fact is he caught Manny perfectly and that does not require PED’s when you know how to deliver a blow on a wide open, lunging target…

Posted January 2, 2013 7:03 pm 


lou

Than maybe he needs Apollo Creed The Eye of The Tiger

Posted January 2, 2013 7:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Hecdog, if Heredia was so damn foolproof then why did he get busted and have to start working with the government? You say Mosley got busted because he did NOT work with Heredia well he worked with CONTE who is the KING of BALCO…. Reality is NONE of these guys have a foolproof method of passing tests and testing is NOT of 100% certainty… Reality is that you are ASSUMING JMM is guilty because he works with a WELL schooled strength and conditioning coach….Heredia is under so much scrutiny its hard to believe would DARE try and pull something, the Government would slam him in jail so fast… But alas you contend that ONLY Heredia can help guys pass tests?? Then the reality is that you are by extension saying that ALL guys who never get busted are clean because ONLY Angel Heredia can get you around these tests?? I know this critical thinking stuff is too much for you but that reality is implicit in your statements…

Posted January 2, 2013 6:58 pm 


SREDMOND

Hecdog WHERE is your proof of this and getting around these urine tests is common knowledge if you are committed to the endeavor.. Your ignorance around PED’s and belief that there are these “special people” who help guys cheat reeks of naivete….EVERYONE knows you are on this particular path because you hate the damage Pac Mans reputation and career took after he was blasted like that… Marquez is a CLEAN fighter because he passed the appropriate tests….Innocent until proven guilty UNLESS of course Manny Pacquiao is the guy getting knocked COLD…. Your motives are VERY transparent, you are not really a boxing fan you simply want to impune the character of the man who smashed your hero…

Posted January 2, 2013 6:51 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Hecdog stop embarrassing yourself already and move on to the next show nothing more to see here..only you and the other legion of pactards are the ones who are still crying foul..Angel Heredia has been part of team Marquez for over a year now so just put a sock in it already or continue being ESB’s biggest joke.

Posted January 2, 2013 6:38 pm 


truth

pacroid is afraud that got exposed

Posted January 2, 2013 6:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Why would we question Marquez NOW when Heredia was around for the 3rd fight?? Is your thesis that Marquez wanted to wait for the 4th bout before cheating??? Accept it Pac Man got BEAT…It happens to all of them Hearns, Duran, Hagler and Roy Jones….His ticket got punched and its not as if we did not have a clue that Marquez was trouble for Pac

Posted January 2, 2013 5:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Hecdog, you say “no one wants to hear the truth” that happens to be YOUR truth…If JMM wanted to uses PEDS he did NOT need Heredia you can get all of the drugs at ANY meathead gym out there… Heredia worked with the Government so he is certainly subject to MAJOR time should he be connected to anyone using PED’s…Peterson was NOT working with Heredia when he tested dirty, nor was Botha, Vargas or James Toney so stop acting like Heredia is the end all and be all in this regard… Manny could have just as easily used as Marquez but according to the accepted standard of testing BOTH men are clean and thus these results have to be lived with….Conjecture and Rumors cannot substitute for a positive test… Marquez has ALWAYS been seen as clean till he focused on strength and knocked Pac Man to kingdom come…. AGAIN you are a SOUR excuse for a fight fan who cannot accept the HARD defeat of the Great Pac Man…

Posted January 2, 2013 4:46 pm 


forreal

…i think is time for you to SEEK professional help!!

Posted January 2, 2013 4:42 pm 


forreal

…Foreman is BEST remember by his loss to Ali;Gomez is BEST remember by his loss to Sanchez;Jones is remember BEST by is termination by Tarver;Tyson made huge headlines by his loss to Douglas…get my drift??

Posted January 2, 2013 4:39 pm 


forreal

You can write an entire THESIS about your favorite subject (PEDMAN) and it won’t make a hell of beans of difference,despite all his accomplishments,he will be remembered BEST by this disastrous loss…DEAL WITH IT!!

Posted January 2, 2013 4:35 pm 


forreal

…you’re hopeless dude!!

Posted January 2, 2013 4:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Hecdog, you have TOTALLY removed yourself from the unbiased column so its impossible to make salient points on this topi for you… Since the COLD reality of Manny destruction sunk in you have tried (in vain) to put a damper on Marquez accomplishment to be honest you are the flipside of Te Tumbo as it pertains to objectivity… FACT is that both men are considered GREAT and, BOTH are multi-division Champions and BOTH are HOFer, BOTH took the SAME tests but where they differ is one man was forced to eat canvas and snort smelling salts to rejoin the land of the living…. All other conversation is foolish the videotape tells the story, Manny got dusted and maybe he will avenge this loss, maybe he won’t but history knows that in the 4th fight he was BADLY destroyed… FACTS

Posted January 2, 2013 3:56 pm 


forreal

…Pactards,the chickens are coming home to roost;PEDman took the SAME testing that Marquez did…YOU were the ones demonizing the Mayweathers for demanding random blood samples…now here you are whining because your boy got DESTROYED and HUMILIATED by an old man…poetic justice!!

Posted January 2, 2013 3:47 pm 


Pacquiao is PEDpertrator

HA HA “google Heredia” is the argument now for JMM using PEDs? What about google Pacuiao cheating on his wife, gambling, having a child outside of his marriage. People don’t change right?

And it’s not about the people like Heredia who are known to have abused the system. They’re easy targets. It’s those that you don’t know about like Ariza, the people behind Lance Armstrong. I’ll bet any money there WILL NOT BE STRICTER TESTING in the fifth fight because PEDcquiao will realize he would be subjected to same tests. JMM’s team already said let’s do more testing. If there isn’t any more testing in the next fight will there be any doubt whether PEDcquiao has been using PEDs?

Posted January 2, 2013 3:32 pm 


forreal

…hecdog,you’re preaching to yourself,nobody is buying your B.S.!!

Posted January 2, 2013 3:20 pm 


forreal

…sorry bud,my youngest son is 22 himself;i’m just a retired old fart having fun!!

Posted January 2, 2013 3:14 pm 


Haimat

forreal is kid acting tough on the internet. Tough guy :)

Posted January 2, 2013 3:02 pm 


forreal

…PEDman is already TENDERIZE By Marquez & ready to serve!!

Posted January 2, 2013 2:22 pm 


Anonymous

No. He’s an old guy who fights a young man’s style and he’s lost a step. That’s it!

Posted January 2, 2013 1:43 pm 


Pinhead

The fight was as good as it gets, then add the story and the history of these two and it goes to another level, it doesnt get any better, a 5th fight is a fascinating proposition. Anything can happen with these two….and it invariably does.

Posted January 2, 2013 1:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Marquez deserves all the credit in the world, at an age when Oscar was retired, Morales and Barrera shells, JMM shocked the world and put Pac Man flat on his GRILL…. Anyone confining Marquez Greatness to Pac Man fights is a novice, and anyone detracting from his rousing victory is a silly hater who is in terrible denial…

Posted January 2, 2013 1:34 pm 


Pinhead

He walked on to a shot that would have dropped an elephant, I thought he looked awesome to that point……absolutely awesome, against a seriously hard man, Pacman still has got a lot left, dont understand all that is being said about him.

Posted January 2, 2013 1:30 pm 


KO KIDD

How bout we give his opponents some damn credit.

Posted January 2, 2013 12:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Pacquiao lost because that is what happens for 99.9% of guys at some point…He was in the ring for the 4th time with an elite fighter and highly motivated masterboxer who caught him and put his lights out… Manny looked, good he was strong and fast yet surprised with the mustard JMM got his shots…Say what we want Pacquiao had a run that the GREAT JMM never had as it pertains to beating top WW’s and blazing thru the likes of Morales and Barrera… All good things come to an end and 34 is getting up there in boxing… RJJ was basically undefeated (absent a DQ which he brutally avenged in 2 rounds) thru 50 fights then Tarver hit him with the money punch when he was 35 and that was all she wrote…Pac does not need to fight like Mayweather, he does not need a new trainer he is who he is and that has been ENOUGH to make him a Champ in a solid 7 divisions… Rather be Manny than 99% of boxers fighting now…

Posted January 2, 2013 12:34 pm 


Haimat

These haters. Hard to understand. One says “he stopped taking PEDs” and the choir follows :) Hilarious

Posted January 2, 2013 11:37 am 


Oswald Cobblepott

Your a cheater and a loser! Use some evidence to back up your cloned thoughts

Posted January 2, 2013 11:20 am 


Haimat

Looking at Pac’s performance he actually did his best fight against Marquez this 4th time. Outlanding him 2 to 1. Apart from the knockdowns it was his best performance by far against Marquez.

Posted January 2, 2013 10:23 am 


Diskontent

I’m not going to say Pacman is on PED’s because honestly; I don’t know. However this is exactly what I’ve been thinking looking at his last couple of fights and when he was still looking at a mega payday vs Floyd. A slow withdrawal so that he could test clean for the big fight does seem to fit the situation as it has evolved. The real irony was all the Pactard’s screaming that JMM was on PED’s!

Posted January 2, 2013 9:49 am 


Anonymous

or the fact he no longer takes steroids. just compare his body from this fight to mararito pretty blatant to me its more then age

Posted January 2, 2013 9:14 am 


Haimat

LOL the ring put Broner ahead of Pacquiao on the p4p list. Manny should fight Broner as a tune up before the 5th fight with Marquez. He should demolish the young problem.

Posted January 2, 2013 8:25 am 


Oswald Cobblepott

Bingo! Not to mention that circus he surrounds himself with. Same fate awaits PBF. Hungry dogs are training like mad men to get a slice of the pie…this saga will repeat itself through history it always does.

Posted January 2, 2013 7:16 am 


The Kingslayer

It’s more to do with father time, peopke forget Pac’s been boxing since he was 16 years old.

Posted January 2, 2013 3:47 am 


Boxtradamus

Stop dreaming. IF the Fight went 9 rds Pac’s head would have been split open like a COCONUT.

Posted January 2, 2013 2:54 am 


we will rise again

Imagine what if manny didn’t rush in at the last second of the 6 rounds and not hit by the lucky punch of marquez,
what you think can happen to the face of marquez after rd9? maybe it will be worst than the face of margarito.

Posted January 2, 2013 2:39 am 


TARK

Pac should be 0-4 vs Marquez… Pacman had an awesome 1st round of the 1st fight.. After the 1st round of the 1st fight JMM staged an awesome comeback and just nipped Pac after 12.. The second fight JMM had by a point and the 3rd fight by 4 points.. He was a little behind when he scored the KO.. Marquez wasn’t out for a points win this last fight.. He was looking for the killer KO finish.

Posted January 2, 2013 1:24 am 


Boxtradamus

Pacquiao’s record isn’t very GOOD vs Top 10 P4P Fighters. And his record vs. Marquez is a mirage. He should be 1-3 vs Marquez with one LOSS by knockout.

Posted January 2, 2013 12:18 am 


Still Butt Hurt

That’s exactly my point. Either quote something official or if you’re going to throw in your personal opinion then say that. Because we all know Pactards opinions mean little. YDKSAB and quit telling people they need to learn it. You’re still butt hurt from the KTFO of the decade by a guy almost eligible for social security.

Posted January 2, 2013 12:04 am 


Soclear

Marquez Stop your PEDman. And I think he stopped him with those great PED. You know what I mean? The good stuff! hahahaha

Posted January 2, 2013 12:03 am 


forreal

…JAJAJA!!,PEDman hasn’t STOPPED anyone in years,not even a JR. welter(Bradley);the only thing he’s gonna beat is Marquez’s meat if they fight again!!

Posted January 1, 2013 11:58 pm 


Soclear

Why don’t Pac fight Floyd? Anyway I told ever one that listen that Marquez would Take some great PED’s just like Manny does and knock Pacman out!! Now look at him now.. There is a old saying from where I’m from.. (What Go”s Around ) Come’s Around..

Posted January 1, 2013 11:55 pm 


oskar

Pro boxing is not a part time job… Pac should have retired after the Margarito, now his old & a part time politician. After a fight Pac should be rejuvenating not going back for another work… Boxing is already a young man’s job with his fighting style & politics his burning out quicker than expected…

Posted January 1, 2013 11:44 pm 


forreal

…hotdog,you should go back and watch that K.O. over and over again in slow motion,i’ll guarantee you that it will make you fell A LOT BETTER!!

Posted January 1, 2013 11:29 pm 


forreal

…the BIG DUMMY should have taken those random blood testing 4 years ago to fight Floyd,made gazillions of dollars and ride into the sunset into retirement;instead he will live with the shadow of suspiscion as to WHY he never took those random tests,got a gift decision on the third fight against Marquez,and in the fourth fight he got his greatest DEFEAT @ the hands of his daddy Marquez…SWEEEET!!

Posted January 1, 2013 11:16 pm 


forreal

…good!!,so swallow that K.O for the rest of your life!!

Posted January 1, 2013 11:08 pm 


Rem

Pacs been physically gifted enough to get away with it but as he gets older theres no beating father time. For now i see no physical decline in him just that an anomaly occured where Marquez was able to eat Pacs shots in the pocket and deliver with 1 punch kd and ko power. Has Pac lost punch resistance his next fight will tell i doubt it though not yet.

Posted January 1, 2013 11:00 pm 


forreal

…hotdog,dude you still here whining & moaning?…your lover ain’t gonna do jack $ hit but to get his rear end handed back to him AGAIN,don’t spend the rest of this new year crying!!

Posted January 1, 2013 10:51 pm 


Hidalgo

Oh, just to appease the fool with the Butt Hurt, their first fight was a Draw. Officially. But not in my book.

Posted January 1, 2013 10:39 pm 


Hidalgo

Still Butt Hurt, I can see it’s hard for you to talk after having hard butt sex, but hey, you’re the expert on that right? So let me get this right, you said: “Unofficially, most everyone felt JMM was robbed in the third fight.” Well, unofficially, I thought Pacquiao won their first fight. What’s the difference? I say Pac won three out of 4 fights. Now, run off to Walgreens and get yourself some Preparation H. After all, your butt DOES hurt, right?

Posted January 1, 2013 10:36 pm 


Hidalgo

BTW, Braggadamus, in 2005, Erik Morales was ranked #6 P4P by Ring Magazine. That was the same year he fought Pacquiao. Remember? Barrera was rated #3 P4P in 2002. Pacquiao beat him in 2003 knocking him off the P4P chart. Oh well. Just shows what you DON”T know about boxing. Especially Manny Pacquiao.

Posted January 1, 2013 10:28 pm 


truth

8 titles really like the the fake catchweight match against margarito for a title get real

Posted January 1, 2013 10:20 pm 


Still Butt Hurt

@Hidalgo What an idiot. First of all offically, Pac has only won 2 of 4 fights. First fight was a draw so quit pulling crap out of your ass. Unofficially, most everyone felt JMM was robbed in the third fight. Go learn more about boxing before opening your trap.

Posted January 1, 2013 10:08 pm 


Hidalgo

You’re an idiot Braggadamus. Every time Pacquiao has fought JMM, JMM has been in the top 10 P4P–in 2004, 2008, 2011, and 2012. And Pacquiao has beat Marquez in 3 of 4 fights. Please LEARN more about Boxing!

Posted January 1, 2013 9:58 pm 


Hidalgo

You’re an idiot Braggadamus. Every time Pacquiao has fought JMM, JMM has been in the top 10 P4P–in 2004, 2008, 2011, and 2012. And Pacquiao has beat Marquez in 3 of 4 fights. Please LEARN more about Boxing!

Posted January 1, 2013 9:57 pm 


forreal

…but remember,champions more often than not are ALWAYS remembered in history not by their greatest accomplishments but rather by their GREATEST defeats(Tyson-Douglas)!!

Posted January 1, 2013 9:48 pm 


Hidalgo

“got what was coming” Really truth? Why exactly did Manny Pacquiao deserve a KO like that? Please elaborate and enlighten all of us with your great wisdom. Pacquiao is no hype job. 61 pro fights, 8 titles over a span of 19 years as a pro boxer. If that’s a “hype job” you’re an idiot. I’m betting you’re not an idiot.

Posted January 1, 2013 9:14 pm 


Bart

I have been a great fan of Pacman for years, I’m also great fan of JMM, that does not change the fact that both fighters are at a point in their careers where they can be injured seriously. I would hate to see them go the RJJ path of continuing fighting absolutely meaningless contest. I really do not think they are in financial troubles to press them to continue.

Posted January 1, 2013 8:52 pm 


forreal

…i agree 100%,but you see,some of PEDman’s fans are so blinded in disbelief that they can’t accept what happened…Marquez could K.O PEDman 100 times in similar fashion and STILL that won’t be enough for them!!

Posted January 1, 2013 8:34 pm 


Bart

AS I have stated before , Hard Battles & Father time has caught up with Pacquiao. It happens to the greatest athletes, especially in the toughest sport of all Boxing. Look back in history, Joe Lewis,Sugar Ray Robinson & more recently Roy Jones Jr. All slowed down just that fraction of a second which was a part of their overall superiority to begin with. I hope that both of these great warriors will walk away from being professional boxers before they become seriously injured. The same advise to RRJ.

Posted January 1, 2013 8:28 pm 


forreal

…still butt-sore hecdog?;is PEDman woken up already or the ref. still counting??

Posted January 1, 2013 8:22 pm 


truth

quit it and stop manny is a hype job and got what was coming jmm will beat him again truth

Posted January 1, 2013 8:20 pm 


truth

so arum doesn’t hand pick manny fights ?

Posted January 1, 2013 8:18 pm 


truth

so now the excuse is manny is rich so he aint training hard ? Floyd is rich look how hard he trains manny just got ktfo that’s all

Posted January 1, 2013 8:16 pm 


TARK

Pacquiao trained hard but not smart… To train smart you need a real good prime-time chief trainer and chief second. You need world class strength and conditioning coaches. Roach didn’t caution Pac by telling him JMM was laying in the weeds ready to pounce, trying to take his head off with a right. Your fighter is fighting his ass off so he’s not seeing everything you should see. If you’re that aggressive, and even careless, a great counterpuncher is going to find your chin in a 12-rounder—and nail you to the floor. Exactly halfway through the fight Marquez struck gold. One of the most dramatic KOs I’ve ever seen … Next time Pac has to run a smarter camp. He has to be his own chief trainer.

Posted January 1, 2013 7:50 pm 


Lefthook

Maybe austin Trout and Alverez ought to fight and the winner should be the Mayweather opponent though that would be real fight for Mayweather and as the Mayweather fanboys know Mayweather dont do real fights, just hand pick givemes.

Posted January 1, 2013 6:31 pm 


Lefthook

Time you start begging Mayweather to fight top 10 p4p fighters like Bradley too then that would be a good start to 2013 Bardley at welterweight in May and Austin Trout at lightmiddle weight in September 2013 and December 2013 Sergio Martinez at middleweight it would be Floyd’s best year ,ever and he would be a sure too be considered World fighter of the year in 2013, “but wait its Robert Guerrero for May ,lol”

Posted January 1, 2013 6:29 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

Pacman’s style throws caution to the wind, and in his latest fight against JMM it cost him big. Regardless of his overall fitness to fight, Pacman would not have survived that punch. Case closed.

Posted January 1, 2013 6:11 pm 


forreal

Anonymous,Pacquiao ran into his NEMESIS again…THAT IS ALL!!

Posted January 1, 2013 6:09 pm 


forreal

I think is time to stop re-inventing the wheel and be resigned to the idea that Marquez is the better fighter of the two;despite age,controversial decisions,hostile judges and everything else he accomplished his mission in a way that would be remembered for many many years to come.

Posted January 1, 2013 5:39 pm 


Still Butt Hurt

And now he’s not training hard enough. Funny cause everyone was saying how invigorated Manny looked and it was his best camp in a long time until the KTFO! Now here come the excuses.

Posted January 1, 2013 5:21 pm 


Still Butt Hurt

How “manny” excuses are Pactards going to come up with? “Lucky punch”; his toe was stepped on; JMM is on PEDs; Manny was winning too easily and let his guard down …

Posted January 1, 2013 5:20 pm 


Boxtradamus

NO. Pacquiao is losing because he is facing Top 10 P4Pers like I had been BEGGING him to DO for YEARS. Had that been #0 P4P Mosely, Clottey, or Margarito in there instead of Top 3 P4P Marquez, Manny would have ran right through him…But when you face someone with MUCH Boxing SKILLS and MUCH Ring Smarts its a different story.

Posted January 1, 2013 5:19 pm 


PEEJ

I’ve been saying that. His last 2 fights Pac has come in at 147 on the weigh in and then on fight night he is over 147. Before that the whole Manny camp kept saying he has to eat just to reach 147 and now he is weighing over 147. I do believe he is lacking in his training just a bit. But he is also getting old and sometimes the body can’t take that type of training any more

Posted January 1, 2013 5:08 pm 


Anonymous

PAcquiao walked into a monstrous shot. That is all.

Posted January 1, 2013 5:01 pm 


the public

Pac was never really that good. easy.

Posted January 1, 2013 5:00 pm 


Anonymous

Pac won a raw fight just until the ko ,Jmm was a mess. Pac felt he wanted to show he could get the ko win over JMM and went all in ,and got koèd because of that,
I think if Pac holds back some aggression he will win on points ,but go for the ko when thr time is right.

Posted January 1, 2013 4:47 pm 


Anonymous

In a man’s world we shouldn’t use P.E.D.’s, and I don’t want to say he was on them, but let’s just say he was slowly weening himself off of them, just in case he chose to fight Floyd, Manny knows he show be clean, thoroughly by that time. He may have still be testing those waters, trying to balance fighting clean, and I believe he believed that just being the busier fighter would be enough to pull he through, as he conditions to fight Floyd “clean”, but Juan upset that plan before Floyd could….
He is off his PEDS…

Posted January 1, 2013 4:38 pm 


largo

& BTW I thought he was about to stop Marquez…he was ripping him to pieces before he was stop himself. He lost to the man that has his number, that is all…

Posted January 1, 2013 4:30 pm 


mansworld

He is off his PEDS…

Posted January 1, 2013 4:19 pm 


largo

This article is misleading, Pac hasn’t been losing; he didn’t lose to Bradley, not his fault that he was screwed there & he had the same distractions in many other fights where he was victorious…this was a lone loss in eons & it was to the guy that has been his headache from the start…

Posted January 1, 2013 4:19 pm 


forreal

In my opinion i believe is called “ring millage”;Pacquiao has been through so many grueling battles that there’s no question is taking its toll on him.It happens to every fighter,specially the ones who fights @ the highest levels as he has.

Posted January 1, 2013 4:09 pm 



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