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IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Marquez has MORE reason to retire and the MAIN reason is that he would have a finish more impressive than Lennox Lewis’s…Of COURSE Pacquiao doesn’t want the last image of himself to be him face down on the canvas. I wouldn’t want to retire on that either.

Posted January 7, 2013 3:49 pm 


Boxtradamus

Pacquiao definitely doesn’t want his last image to be him face down on the canvas. SO Marquez DOES have more reason to retire than Pacquiao

Posted January 7, 2013 2:31 pm 


forreal

Nobody other than PEDman and his personal doctors knows what exactly his physical condition really is,if they give him a clean bill of health and the green light to continue fighting,then by all means.If i was him i would evaluate my options really carefully and go from there.

Posted January 7, 2013 2:29 pm 


Reynaldo De Guzman

Yeah, I agree. Pacquiao is not ready to retire and neither is JMM at this time, not yet. Who would like to miss a 20 million dollar +/- paycheck.

Posted January 7, 2013 12:22 pm 


SREDMOND

I think Marquez has MORE reason to retire than Pacquiao and the reality is his AGE… JMM put together some AWESOME efforts and he accomplished his goal of not only beating Manny but doing it beyond a shadow of a doubt… But he is about to hit the UGLIEST number in athletics 40 years old… And he fights in divisions that require reflexes, and stamina… The phrase “getting old overnight” easily applies to 40 fighters… Pac Man is not even 35 and yes he absorbed a big KO loss but saying he is Roy Jones or Jermaine Taylor is something that has to be proved in the RING its lazy thinking to announce the end of a mans career based on one bad loss… Pac got knocked out twice when he was younger and had he hung them up he NEVER would have become the legend he is…. Time will tell.

Posted January 7, 2013 10:21 am 


SREDMOND

Anyone who thinks a legit Dr is going to diagnose Parkinsons via TV screen is NUTS especially after a guy just got knocked out… Where was this Dr PRIOR to Marquez laying waste to Pacquiao?? We are going to hear a slew of experts and Monday Morning Quarterbacks saying this and that because a boxer who fights 2x per year against Top Comp finally got tagged… No way in the world should Pacquiao allow himself to go out like that, he is not a punching bag like Ricky Hatton who had absorbed his second KO and abuses his body as bady as any competitor ever had…Maybe Pac rebounds from this, maybe he does not but the bottomline is he has MORE than earned the right to find that out for himself….

Posted January 7, 2013 10:12 am 


Anonymous

This new school mentality that every fighter who gets knocked out should retire is utterly ridiculous..If every boxer who get stopped retired and every athlete who gets a concussion retired who the hell would we have left to compete?? Many fighters have rebounded from stoppages, many have NOT…If Pac Man was a truly OLD fighter who had been getting blasted out left and right I would be the first to say he should pack it in bu the reality is that he had not booked a TRUE loss in years and got caught in the worst way by a GREAT fighter… Pac Man definitely should try and regain his stride and see what happens..

Posted January 7, 2013 10:08 am 


forreal

I agree,specially when you don’t need the money ,fame or glory any longer.

Posted January 7, 2013 3:44 am 


TJ

Just watched ROY JONES JR. getting starched way back in 2004 vs GLEN JOHNSON… He is a legend and in my mind a superior fighter to MANNY PACQUIAO and this brere is still fighting to this day, losing to nobodies…does PAC want to do the same thing and like RJJ risk Parkinsons, post-concussion syndrome and all the other downsides of getting KO’d and taking punches to the head over a long, arduous career????

If he does, then he is a fool…. No amount of money is worth losing your faculties and the inability to communicate with your kids and loved ones….
He will end up damaging the very sport he loves….

Something to think about.

Posted January 7, 2013 3:18 am 


Hidalgo

“WTF?!?!? The Dr saw his hands trembling and diagnosed early onset Parkinson’s? Give me a break.” Well, Anonymous, what other diseases or factors cause trembling hands in a prime conditioned elite professional boxer? Essential tremor, onset of Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s, stress, stroke? Given Pacquiao’s profession, I’d say that early onset Parkinson’s is a reasonable unofficial diagnosis. And there is a test that can determine if Pacquiao does have Parkinson’s Disease. It’s called a DaT Scan. But hey, what do we know? We’re just boxing fans!

Posted January 6, 2013 11:08 pm 


forreal

…so,what is “your” diagnosis Doctor?

Posted January 6, 2013 10:59 pm 


Anonymous

WTF?!?!? The Dr saw his hands trembling and diagnosed early onset Parkinson’s? Give me a break. That is total bs! There is a little more to properly diagnosing medical conditions than watching a person on TV. Especially Parkinson’s! Idiot.

Posted January 6, 2013 10:16 pm 


ArguingWithIdiots

once his career is over, people will tell him he cant sing, cause they’ll have nothing to lose.

Posted January 6, 2013 7:01 pm 


forreal

…if he decides to continue his political career,fine!,even though politicians are considered the SCUM of the earth,as long as he gives up his SINGING for Christ sake!!

Posted January 6, 2013 6:56 pm 


forreal

…he never quite recovered from that 3rd round knock-down;yes,Marquez had a bloody nose,but Hagler suffered a worse cut vs Hearns and we all know how that one ended don’t we?

Posted January 6, 2013 6:42 pm 


Anonymous

He wont give up his political career. He has bigger things to worry about than boxing. It’s funny tho…cuz Pacquiao actually looked good in the fight with marquez…just got caught with a shot…more of a mental lapse than anything…that right hand would have put any 147 pounder to sleep.

Posted January 6, 2013 6:26 pm 


forreal

…the best measure to evaluate a fighter greatness is by considering if his opposition @ the time they met was in THEIR PRIME and not shot,weight-drained or any other compromising shenanigan or trickering. Not saying that PEDman is not a good fighter,but he sure benefited from well crafted fight selection by Arum.

Posted January 6, 2013 5:39 pm 


third world

what a load of crap.he is losing to guys he would have beaten easily years before?really?he never had it easy with marquez.he didn’t lose to bradley,that fight was stolen from him by arum,and his plan back fired.manny got caught coming in with his hands down,and the better man won on the night.roberto duran was knocked out in similar fashion in ’84 by hearns,and came back to beat the man who beat hearns for fight of the year in ’89 for duran’s championship in a fourth weight class. it was fight of the year for 1989! if pac steps down from his political farce and puts a leash on that wife of his,and devotes his life to boxing,you will see him shoot up to the top once again.boxing writers and fans are fickle folks,and i never listen to any of them.either will pacquiao.if continues to give boxing 50% effort,he will end up like manny before him.boxing never has been a good part time job.

Posted January 6, 2013 4:54 pm 


forreal

…say what you want,the fact is Marquez is POISON for PEDman any way you slice it,even @ age 40.The man doesn’t need the money,he can go on and lived a happy life any time he chooses to.You just still BITTER about that K.O and you just want PEDman to avenge that loss even if he has to go into the ring in a wheel chair,it’s easy for us to sit here and go: yeah,get back in there and beat that MOFO”;we’re not the ones taking the shots.If he wants to continue fighting,that’s his choice,but he should be aware of the risks he’s taking,specially if his next fight is against Marquez.

Posted January 6, 2013 4:51 pm 


Anonymous

Yes, fighters who get KOd like Pacman arent the same going forward; RJJ, Jermain Taylor, and Paul Williams are prime examples of this. So if Pacman were to get hit again similar to the JMM punch, his brain’s first response will be “shutdown mode”….protect the body, NOT try to withstand the punch. Pacman has faced very good fighters, his resume speaks for itself. The issue I have with Pacman’s opposition since leaving 130 lbs isnt who he’s fought per say, but the STYLE of fighters he’s fought. Aside from JMM, all his opponents have been favorable stylistic matchups: non-counterpunchers with average defenses at best. From Diaz to Hatton to Cotto to Bradley to Margarito and whoever else in between. All of these fighters defensively could not withstand the offensive onslaught Pacman brings nor could they mount enough offense to give themselves a decent chance of winning. Also, again aside from JMM, Pacman never fought any counterpunchers from 130 on up. Raheem, Guzman, Campbell….none of these fighters appear on his resume and for good reason given his struggles against JMM. Counterpunchers are his Achilles heel (and how fitting was it that he got KOd by a counter right hand). The best defensive fighter he fought from 135 to 154 was Clottey (Pacman only landed like 20% of his punches in that fight), but Clottey’s punch output was horrific, only about 400 total punches thrown the entire fight. My point is, WHERE IS THE MOTIVATION???? Pacman only looks motivated against JMM, he doesnt view anyone else as a challenge, hence the perception that he’s aging and his performances are lackluster. His next matchup is Rios…MAYBE the motivation against a young lion like Rios will be there, even if its simply to prove that his KO loss to JMM was just a damn good punch and not any indication that he’s declining.

Posted January 6, 2013 10:23 am 


OCTAVIUS72

FORREAL; the only thing these greedy ass promoters care about is money. Since when did they ever give a damn about the fighters health???

Posted January 6, 2013 6:56 am 


Anonymous

Pac is a shot fighter

Posted January 6, 2013 4:15 am 


forreal

Well,let me put it this way:who will be better off;a man who lived a mundane,normal life or one who spent the major part of his life taking hammer-like blows to the head,rib cage,liver,kidneys,genitals(ocassionaly),ears and just about every other part of his anatomy?

Posted January 5, 2013 10:25 pm 


The Bozo man

I have red the good boxing book “Facing Ali” two years ago. I was surprised to learn that a lot of Ali’s opponents suffered from brain damages after their career was over (not necessarily because they had faced Ali although it surely did not help them). When I was young, everybody said Ali got Parkinson but absolutely not because of boxing. At that time, to even suggest Ali suffered from some kind of brain damages was considered wrong (probably because the symbol that Ali had become was way bigger than the man himself). So in my mind, Ali’s condition was not related to his boxing career. I grew up with that idea but I had the chance to talk with some neuroscientist a couple years ago and they could not care less for the symbol. They just said like it was. Boxing is a dangerous sport for the brain.

Posted January 5, 2013 10:11 pm 


forreal

…and yet after 4 grueling battles,one which ended with a devastating K.O,talks of possible Parkinsons,knowing that Marquez is nothing but BAD NEWS for Pacquiao they STILL considering a fifth fight…go figure!!

Posted January 5, 2013 9:39 pm 


Haimat

the best, so your point is that Ali’s, Roach’s, Johansson’s, Patterson’s, Meldrick Taylor’s condition is not Parkinson’s desease but something different but similar because your grandma got the desease. What’s the relevance? Head trauma causes PD. Studies show that boxing quadruples the risk of developing PD. Common sense too. Let it go.

Posted January 5, 2013 5:03 pm 


whiteboyday

Yeah he needs to walk away, the risk vs reward is pretty obvious there. Ive never seen him shake or seen any signs of the disease but if he does then its a no brainer. Of course for selfish reasons we would all like to see more fights but for him its just not worth it. If he refuses to quit then it should just be a tune up to make sure hes still capable and then his shot at revenge with Marquez. Win or lose after that, call it quits, by then there will be no way to justify continuing especially if these signs become obvious.

Posted January 5, 2013 4:19 pm 


The Best!

Haimat explain why it is stupid? I have a cousin who has never boxed but yet got Parkinsons in his early 30’s I have a mother who never boxed and got parkinsons in her 50’s. Why is it stupid in me saying that you cant prove that a boxer who has Parkinsons that he got it because of boxing? I am talking about the actual disease and not symptoms similiar to Parkinsons.

Posted January 5, 2013 3:51 pm 


Haimat

the best, that’s the most stupid comment on ESB yet and believe me, I’ve seen quite a few during the last ten years.

Posted January 5, 2013 3:44 pm 


The Best!

I meant “maybe I shouldnt of used the word stupid”.

Posted January 5, 2013 3:39 pm 


The Best!

Maybe I should of used the word stupid, but you cant prove he got Parkinsons from boxing, period?! So why does everyone insist on saying he got it from Boxing?

Posted January 5, 2013 3:38 pm 


Anonymous

- The Best, you have obviously no knowledge of neuroscience so instead of treating others of being stupid, go and read on the subject (if you know how to read of course). Parkinson can be one of the consequence of boxing and Ali’s Parkinson is most probably related to boxing.

Posted January 5, 2013 3:25 pm 


The Best!

Early Parkinsons symptoms?! There is no such thing as getting Parkinsons from boxing its plain and simply getting your brain knocked to the back of your head to many times that will eventually cause brain damage. Everyone saying Ali got Parkinsons from Boxing is straight just stupid. My mom has Parkinsons and she has never boxed. Also, why out of thousands of boxers so few have Parkinsons? Its as simple as you stay in boxing too long and you will eventually get brain damage.

Posted January 5, 2013 3:12 pm 


TARK

This kind of talk is a joke.. Pac retire at 34? Outrageous! PEDs didn’t beat Pacquiao, an ATG fighter beat Pacquiao—once in 4 tries. JMM got a beautiful God-send of an opening and laid the finisher in there with a willful finality that was chilling. Marquez had been waiting for that shot through 4 fights and a decade of patience. It doesn’t matter. It was worth the wait. Everything comes to him who waits … Marquez needs to capitalize on this great victory—the greatest KO in fistic history—to get his biggest and richest payday. It will be beautiful. JMM was extremely calm and focused. He was the most resolute fighter I’ve ever seen in my life, and he will be even more so when they meet in a 5th fight—because he knows Pacquiao will be extremely wary—and more determined than ever before in his 62 fight career … For Pacquiao, the payout for a victory would be fabulous.

Posted January 5, 2013 3:12 pm 


Steve

I agree Manny should retire. After the judges ripped him off in the Bradley fight, and Marquez, who I once respected, almost certainly used PEDs in training for fight #4, what else does Manny need to prove? Once a fighter gets in his mid 30s its time to hang them up, unless they are a George Foreman or a Hopkins.

Posted January 5, 2013 2:17 pm 


Haimat

I would like him to retire. There is more to life than boxing and one more fight won’t change anything. It might send him to the hospital again.
I agree with TARKs assessment of the last couple of fights but I do believe that he’s slowed down and is not the same force anymore. Call it quits Manny! You’ve got absolutely nothing left to provel

Posted January 5, 2013 2:16 pm 


The Kingslayer

I knew Manny wouldn’t retire because he burns through money now with politics.

Posted January 5, 2013 1:16 pm 


el presidente

Roy Jones says the same thing

Posted January 5, 2013 1:03 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Hopefully Pacquiao is feeling good enough to fight Brandon Rios in April as planned..I wanna see if Manny still has what it takes to handle a good punch from the so called face first plodder..Marquez can fight Bradley and the winners can face each other in September, after all Manny is feeling good and not yet ready to retire.

Posted January 5, 2013 12:57 pm 


spiderico

On every PAC 24/7 he’s ever done, Roach says Manny wasn’t focused last training camp but he’s completely focused this camp and there are no excuses.

Posted January 5, 2013 11:42 am 


te tumbo

“His promoter isn’t putting him in with soft touches anymore and he’s getting beaten”. it was inevitable that Pacquiao’s* promotional “greatness” could no longer be sustained beyond the soft touches or cherrypicked and further compromised Names that are the foundation of his “greatness”. otherwise, he remains in his physical prime and is a very good fighter who was executing everything he wanted to do v. Marquez but Marquez is better and greater, which he Proved with his DEVASTATING and rivalry-ending KO win. otherwise, without the great matchmaking, Pacquiao* is only a very good fighter.

Posted January 5, 2013 10:50 am 


Oswald Cobblepott

Unless he drops the traveling circus he needs to stay away.

Posted January 5, 2013 7:26 am 


TARK

There is nothing unusual about what happened to Pacquiao… He beat Tim Bradley by a good margin.. Bradley did win 4 rounds—but he was a very good undefeated boxer who’s beaten several world champions.. Marquez gave Pacquiao hell in every single fight they had.. This time Pacquiao took more chances looking to hurt Marquez and end the fight inside the distance.. That’s not a smart thing to do but he did it.. Marquez got more chances to land big shots and used them.

I’m sure that there will be a 5th fight between them and it will be as tough as all the others.

Posted January 5, 2013 4:09 am 


ConcernedFan

pacquiao needs to retire.. he can’t even put his 80% focus in training for boxing anymore..
he’s already rich, famous, and etc. he should just be thinking about his family, now that bad effects of boxing is getting into him…….

Posted January 5, 2013 3:25 am 



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