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IfYouDontSeeItIDo

ALOT of fans may not know this but Henry Armstrong fought for the MW title while weighing in under the WW limit. He should have won the fight but he was ROBBED and was given a draw. Also Armstrong DID win the WW title while weighing in under the LW limit….Floyd can do what Armstrong DID and out Box the MW CHAMP while weighing in at Welter. Its not like it hasnt been done before….Also I think that Ward should challenge himself and rematch Dawson while allowing Dawson to weigh in at LHW while he remains at 168. That way Ward can take the LHW title and match the GOAT by holding titles in 2 weight classes at the same time. He’s not going to top Floyd but he can at least match him by being the BEST in 2 Divisions. It also will shut the fans up who said Dawson only lost because of weight. It will prove one again that SKILLS is more important than SIZE.

Posted January 14, 2013 1:54 am 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“NOBODY is going to match a middleweight with somebody who weighs 15″- Well I would hope not unless the opponent is within 20 pounds of 15lbs. But technically they can match a 15 pounder who chooses to weigh in at MW with ANYONE else who chooses to weigh in at MW even if they weigh 160….Call the rule makers lunatics all you want. The FACT remains that the MW class is from zero to 160 lbs

Posted January 14, 2013 1:37 am 


TARK

No it doesn’t you moron…. NOBODY is going to match a middleweight with somebody who weighs 15… If somebody called a 15-pounder a middleweight he’d be a liar, and a nut case.

And if the proposed opponent weighed only 1 pound he’d still be in the womb—and no middleweight boxer could fight him… The only middleweight fight he’s likely to have is with an abortionist… But abortion isn’t Boxing.

Posted January 13, 2013 10:31 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Well TARK IF someone won’t let a 15 pounder face a fellow MW then that means that they have a difference of OPINION. But the FACT remains that a 15 pounder qualifies as a MW according to the limit that is set….Now I do agree that the rule makers should add a lower limit which is 19 pounds lower than the upper limit. So the lower limit for MW should be 141 and the lower limit for WW should be 127. As of now there IS NO lower limit so I am Correct and you are WRONG. The MW division does in FACT have a 160 pound range.

Posted January 13, 2013 8:09 pm 


TARK

Box says middleweight has a 160 pound weight range… WRONG… They wouldn’t match a middleweight with a guy weighing 15 pounds.. For one thing he’d be too young. For another he wouldn’t know how to walk yet.

Posted January 13, 2013 1:58 am 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

TARK says…”Pacquiao is a better fighter than Marquez but Marquez matches up with him very well”- No. What you mean is that Pacquiao COULD be a better Fighter than Marquez with the physical tools that he has if he had a coach who could work on his mental tools along with his SKILLS. Almost any Good trainer would have told Pacquiao to stay away from the Right hand ..especially after he got knocked down with it. But Lo and behold 3 rounds later Roach’s guy is JUMPING INTO the right hand. SMH.

Posted January 11, 2013 3:40 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Ohhhhhhh so it took you 3 fights to supposedly reach your conclusion??” – Nope. It took 3 fights to have the Correct conclusion announced at the end of the Fight. It only took me a couple actions to reach my conclusion…Marquez focusing on Power and Discharge saying they’re going to pressure Marquez all fight.

Posted January 11, 2013 3:33 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Like I said there is 0000000000000000000000000 consistency to your stances…Shameful”- FALSE. But there is 00000000000000000 consistency to your READING ability. Shameful SNONREADINGMOND, very Shameful.

Posted January 11, 2013 3:28 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

SNONREADINGMOND says…”If this 20 Poindexter concept is absolute then NO P4P fighter who is ranked above another should lose to another??” No. WHERE did I SAY that?? Get you some reading SKILLS. I SAID that the BETTER man wins MOST of the time when two men weigh within 20 pounds of each other.

Posted January 11, 2013 3:23 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Also remember that EVERY weight class except HW has an UPPER limit but NO lower limit so the the WW weight class actually has a 147 pound range from top to bottom and the MW division has a 160 pound range from top to bottom…so the weight classes in Boxing agree with me TOO…..Your statement that “in order to make sure thaf comprably sized fighters are engaging with each other” is FALSE…..Unless you suggest that a 126 pounder is comparable to a 147 pounder.

Posted January 11, 2013 3:16 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“If boxing TRULY agreed with you there would be a weight class with a 20 pound range from top to bottom”- No. That’s what would happen if humans learned from the History of the Sport. Weight classes are simply what they are. Groupings according to weight. Saying that you are in one weight group doesn’t make you BETTER than a guy in another weight group. Clottey, Alvarado, and Berto SEE EYE to EYE with ME on that. So does Ortiz, Hagler, and Ruiz….If YOU don’t SEE EYE to EYE with with us and the History of Boxing then you need to learn MUCH more about Boxing.

Posted January 11, 2013 3:02 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“You are picking out SELECTIVE instances during the history of the sport that support your point”- Yes. And those SELECTIVE instances are when the BETTER Fighter fought a BIGGER Fighter.

Posted January 11, 2013 2:52 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

OK folks. I finally stopped laughing. Now its back to schooling SNONCOUNTINGMOND…I SAY “And ANOTHER weight class is no problem for the GOAT. He’s done that 4 times BEFORE.” SNONCOUNTINGMOND says “WRONG”- LMFAO!! Now let’s count SLOW for SNONCOUNTINGMOND…..from 130-135 ONE!…from 135-140 TWO!…from 140-147 THREE!….from 147-154 FOUR!…..Now boys and girls HOW many times did the GOAT move to ANOTHER weight class?? FOUR! YES. You are Correct. LMFAO.

Posted January 11, 2013 2:43 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

AGAIN after MUCH barking from SNONREADINGMOND what we have here folks is Roger presenting Floyds words vs. JOKEMOND presenting his OWN OPINION. HA HA HA!! Unlike SMART prey SNONREADINGMOND stuck around and got eaten ALIVE. Now if somehow Floyd retires and doesn’t end up Fighting Martinez like he WANTS to but rather goes by JOKEMONDS OPINION then I will have to regurgitate the remains of JOKEMOND. And whatever I can’t regurgitate I’ll have to fetch the rest out the SEWER. But until Floyd retires without doing what he WANTS to do what a FINE meal SNONREADINGMOND was. LMFAO!!!!

Posted January 11, 2013 2:27 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“but then again you are not presenting Floyds words”- Correct AGAIN! WOW. You’re starting to learn. No. I am not presenting Floyds words. Roger is presenting Floyds words. All those who could READ for THEMSELVES had already identified that. But we THANK you for identifying it for those who CAN’T read.

Posted January 11, 2013 2:02 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“you say that “my words are lessor than Floyds”- OH you CAN read at least 10% of what is written!! YES. Your words are LESSER than Floyds when it comes to who his future opponents will be. Correct.

Posted January 11, 2013 1:57 pm 


SREDMOND

Box, you say that “my words are lessor than Floyds” but then again you are not presenting Floyds Words you are presenting ROGERS during a “whatever” interview on another blog site… When you show us a contract with Martinez name on it or we hear about FMJ seriously calling out Martinez lets chat until then you are running off your own low probability illusions and intractable thinking… Alas you are EASY prey my young subordinate :)

Posted January 10, 2013 11:11 am 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

SREDMOND-You make so many AIR headed comments can get exhausted trying to refute them all. Its like trying to count how many hairs I have on my head….I mean WHERE do I start?? I mean WOW. You need so much schooling that I may have to charge a FEE…I can post for YEARS on end so I can refute your cornball comments everyday of the week…But at the end of the everyday YOUR words are LESSER than Floyd Mayweather’s. You can BARK all day long but after the last echo has dissipated your OPINION remains NADA when compared to the words of the actual Boxer. GOOD way to fight for your own cause though. That’s admirable…..But since you place so much value on weight you may want to give it up because YOUR OPINION carries zero WEIGHT compared to Floyd’s. So in your words this is an utterly disgusting MISMATCH. I admire your attempt at trying to open the last SLIVER of hope that you had by saying that Roger has somehow misquoted Floyd thus making YOUR OPINION more important than a misquote LMFAO!! (What a Matlock move!!) but it didn’t work. You sure tried your best though and its very FUNNY.. You can make stand up comedian on Jay Leno. AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!…After I stop laughing I just might get back to schooling you. Whewwwwwww! Schooling SREDMOND can be a 240 hour a day job. The only problem is there’s only 24 hours in a day. So it takes 10 days before he even understands one point. At THIS point he still believes that Mayweather has shown no interest despite his own trainer saying otherwise. JOKEMOND is a serious JOKER.

Posted January 10, 2013 3:38 am 


TARK

Pacquiao is a better fighter than Marquez but Marquez matches up with him very well… A great right hand counterpuncher loves a southpaw who loads his shots and goes for the KO.. The perfect opponent for Marquez’s right.. But Pacquiao is so tricky that he almost did away with Marquez in the 1st round of their 1st fight—with almost any other referee that would have been the end of their rivalry.. As it was, Marquez came back and won most of the rounds of that fight — and most of the rounds of their other fights except this last fight … This last fight JMM knew Pacquiao was coming for the KO … and that gave Marquez HUGE opportunities to squash Pac.. Their next fight is about 50/50..

Pacquiao has huge motivation because if he scores his 3rd win over JMM he gets Floyd, and the greatest sporting event of all time has been successfully resuscitated.

Posted January 9, 2013 8:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Ohhhhhhh so it took you 3 fights to supposedly reach your conclusion?? Again I too predicted a Marquez win but that said it took him 4 times to get this W… Pretending that it was just a matter of time was a joke because this series went on longer than anyone could have predicted when it began…Doubling down after 2 losses and a draw does not make ANY of us geniuses in the world of boxing….He had Heredia last fight and still managed NOT to win the contest… No matter how you slice it Marquez owns ONE win over Pac albeit conclusive..

Posted January 9, 2013 5:54 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“As for the KO being “easy to see” when did you predict that”- Right after they signed the contract for the 4th Fight and I heard Roach say that Pac would be more aggressive. He already landed all of the best punches in the 3rd Fight and he waa focused on adding more power. Pacquiao being more aggressive equals more counter punching opportunities so the outcome was EASY to FORESEE.

Posted January 9, 2013 5:43 pm 


SREDMOND

No need to pivot from your mistake we ALL make them… As per my KIND correction Floyd is a Champion in 5 weight classes he already eclipsed your SILLY 20 pound rule which of course is subject to revision when a guy moves up again… Like I said there is 000000000000000000000000 consistency to your stances…. Shameful Box, very Shameful

Posted January 9, 2013 5:40 pm 


SREDMOND

NOW this amateur boxing fan “If You Don’t see/Boxtradamus” says Marquez would beat Froch and Dirrell…. If this 20 pound concept is an absolute then NO P4P fighter who is ranked above another should lose to another?? What happened to Vic D who was in the P4P convo when Donaire turned his lights out and began his ascent.

Posted January 9, 2013 5:35 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“AGAIN learn your boxing Mayweather has titles in 5 weight classes”- AGAIN learn your reading and counting. I SAID that Mayweather moved to ANOTHER weight class 4 times

Posted January 9, 2013 5:34 pm 


SREDMOND

You say that P4P rankings are NOT relevant when two combatants are MORE than 20 pounds apart YET when Marquez and Pac fought the FACT is that JMM trumped the rankings?? AGAIN you will hide behind “the majority of the rounds fought” excuse but your standard is simply moving with the breeze… Mike Tyson was CLEARLY the top HW in the world YET a relatively LOWLY fighter knocked him out?? Same with Lennox Lewis on a couple of occasions… AGAIN where the P4P rankings then?? Barrera was a P4P fighter and Champion, Pacquiao was an underdog YET he knocked him out AGAIN why did the P4P concept NOT work for Barrera…. LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLO

Posted January 9, 2013 5:31 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“As for the 20 pound radius you still do NOT address the initial starting point”- Because that is irrelevant. What’s relevant is the ENDING point. If Dirrell or Froch END UP less than 20 lbs heavier than Marquez on Fight night they’ll get BEAT…but thats not likely since Marquez came in at 148 on Fight night while Froch and Dirrell weigh IN the day before at 168.

Posted January 9, 2013 5:31 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Reality is that you admit that P4P rankings have variable value when other factors are involved”- No. I admit that P4P ranking defers to the actual matchup and is not as relevant when the two combatants are more than 20 lbs apart.

Posted January 9, 2013 5:25 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“the matchup trumps the ranking” but when it suits you the ranking trumps the matchup???”- Nope. The matchup almost ALWAYS trumps the rankings.. Marquez had already out Boxed Pacquiao 3 times prior to the 4th bout which DID happen and I SAW that. So I used what I SAW in the prior matchups to foresee a knockout win by Marquez.

Posted January 9, 2013 5:19 pm 


SREDMOND

And as for the “Majority of rounds he won” it was a SLIM majority or the KD’s would not have resulted in him losing 2 contests and getting a draw in the first…Seriously you are Monday Morning Quarterbacking..I predicted a Marquez win as well but I sure as hell did not sit back and say “he only needs 4 fights to stop crying about the judges”

Posted January 9, 2013 5:18 pm 


SREDMOND

SRED below

Posted January 9, 2013 5:15 pm 


Anonymous

Pacquiao’s athletic talents allowed him to book 2 wins over Marquez and they drew…. Reality is that Marquez power increase yielded results in the last fight where he was NOT really boxing Manny as well as I have seen him do before… His heavy hands got him the win all credit due but lets keep it real…Trying to hide behind rounds and NO “W” is weak and negates the outcome…

Posted January 9, 2013 5:14 pm 


SREDMOND

You are picking SELECTIVE instances during the history of the sport that support your point… as far as it pertains to size…If boxing TRULY agreed with you there would be a weight class with a 20 pound range from top to bottom… BOXING has delineated fighters by size since the beginning and even MMA followed suit in order to be sure that comprably sized fighters are engaging with eachother… AGAIN why no open class beyond HW??

Posted January 9, 2013 5:09 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Martinez is unorthodox yet a BETTER overall athlete than Marquez”- As is Pacquiao. But it didn’t stop him from getting out Boxed in the majority of 42 rounds before being knocked out.

Posted January 9, 2013 5:07 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“you have a scenario where Martinez might seek to walk through him”- Just as Chavez Jr. SEEKED to walk through Martinez. Walking through Punches results in you being down on the scorecards. Whether you walk through the punches or not there is no reward waiting for you on the other side as Mayweather is the BEST Defensive Fighter in the Sport. So walking through the punches is not WISE. Trying your best to AVOID the punches is WISE. That’s why Martinez will get beat. Because he Fights with his hands down.

Posted January 9, 2013 4:58 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“acting like there are not additional considerations due to his size and power is crazy” – Which is why I didn’t do that. I CONSIDER size and power to be LESSER than SKILLS unless the size diffference is 20 lbs or more. The History of Boxing and I SEE EYE to EYE on that.

Posted January 9, 2013 4:52 pm 


SREDMOND

How do we KNOW this is a quote from Floyd Mayweather?? Because Roger said so? Roger says ALOT of things but Roger saying that “Floyd said it” is simply HEARSAY at best and it does NOT equate to a signed contract or real plans for a showdown when Floyds de facto reps (GoldenBoy) have discussed everyone BUT Sergio Martinez… Not taking my opinion is fine but WHY would we take yours based on an articl quoting Roger Mayweather?? Silly Man!

Posted January 9, 2013 4:45 pm 


SREDMOND

As for the KO being “easy to see” when did you predict that 8 years ago when they had the first draw? 2008 when Marquez lost or 2011 when he lost again in a close fight? How did you know he would get 4 fights to prove his point? Reality is that you are Monday Morning Quarterbacking unless you can show us a document from 2004 or 2008 that says “If Marquez and Pac fight EXACTLY 4x then JMM will KO him in spectacular fashion” I would LOVE to see it if you have such a ledger??

Posted January 9, 2013 4:37 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“You have to be kidding me trying to substitute an interview with Roger Mayweather about who Floyd will fight for an ACTUAL signed contract?”- Nope. But you have to be kidding ME if you think that I’m going to substitute SREDMOND’S OPINION for an ACTUAL interview where Roger Mayweather is quoting Floyd Mayweather. LMFAO!! WOW I don’t know about Boxtradamus but IfYouDontSeeItIDo will not fall into the land of the naive. I SEE too WELL for that.

Posted January 9, 2013 4:37 pm 


SREDMOND

As for the 20 pound radius you still do NOT address the initial starting point of the boxers involved ie Pac going from flyweight to WW… Does this mean you propose that when he was P4P #1 or #2 that he could defeat Ward who would have been roughly 20 pounds heavier? Its seems you omit the physical origins of these boxers careers??? Marquez last fought at 147 do you think he can NOW defeat Dirrell? or Froch??? thats 20 pounds… AGAIN I know you are a fool but I cannot resist letting you spew foolishness in this manner :)

Posted January 9, 2013 4:32 pm 


SREDMOND

AHHHHHHHH so you betray that fact that you ONLY use the P4P rankings when it is convienent?? Like I said I am toying with you for my perverse amusement but you have absolutely NO consistency…You say “the matchup trumps the ranking” but when it suits you the ranking trumps the matchup??? Marquez possibly being more technically sound did NOT deliver him a victory till the 4th bout which did NOT have to happen… Reality is that you admit that P4P rankings have variable value when other factors are involved you thus invalidate your oft used measure of them as an absolute gauge of who is more skilled and who would win a given contest… Margo was NEVER a P4P fighter, Cotto was and Cotto was beaten DOWN the first time and as for “bricks” only Margo and his trainer know the truth…

Posted January 9, 2013 4:28 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“You are wedded to this 20 pound radius but apparently this is NOT a static radius??” – YES it IS a static radius. As long as two men step in the Ring within 20 pounds of each other the BETTER man will win. The History of Boxing SEES EYE to EYE with me on that.

Posted January 9, 2013 4:24 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Marquez was ranked UNDER Pac Man by the same experts you lean on and he knocked him out.. How can this be??” – Because the actual match ups TRUMP the rankings so I no longer lean on rankings when I have already SEEN the actual matchup. I already SAW Marquez out Box Pacquiao 4 times. The knockout was EASY to foresee.

Posted January 9, 2013 4:15 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Marquez is ranked ABOVE Wlad Klits I am sure you also believe that he would defeat him” – THANK you for demonstrating to everyone that YOUR sureness is LESSER than everyone reading for THEMSELVES. Those of you who can read better than SREDMOND know that Wlad exceeds the 20 lb limit for SKILLS trumping SIZE. But if some how Wlad could boil himself down to under 20 lbs Bigger than Marquez he’d get knocked out or clearly out Boxed.

Posted January 9, 2013 4:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez is around 4 inches taller than Marquez, 2 inches taller than Mayweather he has FAST hands and like I said I am NOT discounting Floyds chances but acting like there are not additional considerations due to his size and power is crazy… Even Mayweather Sr said that FMJ should not keep going after bigger opponents AGAIN just his opinion but size CAN negate skills because the ability to deter your opponent is a component of boxing that is underdiscussed… MANY have said that Floyd hits harder than his record at WW would indicate, ramp that up a couple of divisions and you have a scenario where Martinez might seek to walk thru him…AGAIN Floyds skills are sublime but the gap between JMM and Martinez in skill is not as wide as you make it out to be… Martinez is unorthodox yet a BETTER overall athlete than Marquez…

Posted January 9, 2013 4:05 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Martinez is taller and physically stronger than FMJ”- Nice observation. So was De la Hoya. Martinez is taller but SKILLFULLY LESSER than Mayweather. And since SKILLS is more important than HEIGHT in Boxing I’ll go with Mayweather.

Posted January 9, 2013 4:01 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Marquez was smaller and had difficulty reaching Mayweather in anyway shape or form”- YES. Marquez was smaller ans more SKILLED than Martinez yet he had difficulty touching Mayweather when he put an emphasis on defense…and so would Martinez.

Posted January 9, 2013 3:57 pm 


SREDMOND

Marquez stop Martinez??? Now I have heard it all I will let that DUMB comment stand alone… Kelly Pavlik, PWill and 180 pound Chavez who all hit WAY harder than Marquez could not stop Martinez… NOW you are being dumb, JMM would get murdered and anyone with an ounce of brains knows that including Marquez who would never try it…He complained about Floyd weighing in at 146, a full MW fighter with Martinez talent would slaughter him…

Posted January 9, 2013 3:46 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Martinez would destroy Marquez in under 6 rounds it would be an utterly disgusting rout that would NEVER happen..”- IF Martinez weighed in 30 pounds heavier maybe. But if he weighed in LESS than 20 pounds heavier than Marquez he would get out boxed and possibly stopped.

Posted January 9, 2013 3:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Floyd is more skilled than Wlad and Wlad would CRUSH him unless he ran for 12 rounds.. Martinez was ranked AHEAD of Marquez by many until Marquez caught Pac out there..I know that a LESS than nimble brain sees the P4P list as some sort of absolute but if you think Marquez would even hear the bell against Martinez you are all kinds of crazy… Marquez is technically an amazing fighter, that said intelligent fans know he would never be able to handle the power, strength and enhanced durability of Martinez in a professional boxing ring…. There is not an intelligent correlation between the two fighters….The SOLE reference for Marquez at WW is Pacquiao and beyond that he is an unknown quantity in that division… Assumptions beyond that are just that but JMM can prove us wrong by campaigning in the division which we know he WON’T

Posted January 9, 2013 3:41 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“If you think a P4P ranking which is subjective and matter of opinion cloaks you in an impregnable armor you then you need to learn FAR more about boxing”- Nope. But if you don’t think that SKILLS consistently overcome SIZE up to a 20 pound difference then you need to learn MUCH more about Boxing.

Posted January 9, 2013 3:36 pm 


SREDMOND

AGAIN please learn your boxing Mayweather has titles in 5 weight classes and he has crafted a brilliant career at 37 which he will be after his 2 fights this year he is not gonna jump to MW in order to line Sergios pockets…Your ability to push forward with your fantasy is admirable and it provides me many a chuckle, but there is no hard data out there that says May and Martinez are gonna duke it out… EVERY other week Martinez is saying he will drop down to 154, 150 ANYTHING to get a bout yet Mayweather shows no real interest…..

Posted January 9, 2013 3:34 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Comparing a fight between the then 142 pound Marquez and the possible 170 pound fight night weight of Martinez is serious amateur hour”- NOPE. Comparing the SKILLS of Juan Manuel Marquez to the SKILLS of Sergio Martinez is serious EXPERT hour. So time for you to go home. The EXPERTS and I SEE EYE to EYE on Marquez being BETTER than Martinez. Thats why he was ranked higher on the P4P list THEN and NOW.

Posted January 9, 2013 3:31 pm 


SREDMOND

WRONG Mayweather has won titles in 5 weight classes the reality is that Floyd is NOT gonna fight a MW fighter who does not bring a TON of cash to the table he can make WAY more money fighting Canelo who depending on what happens might prove to be a PPV opponent that will trump Cotto…. That of course remains to be seen but the Mexican fanbase is BIGGER than whomever Martinez is resonating with as evidenced by him getting FAR less guaranteed money facing Chavez Jr….You validate my point when you discuss the MONEY that the Pac fight will bring, while conditions have shifted to the degree that Mayweather would enjoy ALL the leverage to potentially have a 60 million or more night in the ring against the name that has dogged him for YEARS… But then again you listen to Roger LOL!!

Posted January 9, 2013 3:28 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Martinez who brings FAR less economic cache to the game yet represents ANOTHER weight class has pretty much NO shot at facing FMJ”-YES. That would we would EXPECT a person with POOR logic and reading SKILLS to say. If that were the case Mayweather would have retired after the Cotto Fight because everyone else brings FAR less money to the table than Pacquiao…And ANOTHER weight class is no problem for the GOAT. He’s done that 4 times BEFORE.

Posted January 9, 2013 3:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Nice assumption but both men are nearing the end of the line and that is the money fight… Pac Man has to make ALL concessions due to him being splatted on the canvas and Mayweather has ALREADY expressed interest on more than one occasion as far as getting that fight… When Guerrero and Alvarez are done Pac Man makes for a MEGA payday while Floyd is in his favorite position (ON TOP) he will control the money, venue, testing, gloves etc and Manny will bend because he can’t make that kind of money anywhere else…Of course this assumes he can get by Marquez….AGAIN you contradict yourself because you use Roger as a testiomonial BUT you ignore Floyds historical statements about fighting Pacquiao? Arum knows there are not many miles left on Manny and if there was a time to take the risk and make the money it is sooner than later…

Posted January 9, 2013 3:18 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Somehow its 2013 and the Pac Man fight never came off to date”- And as long as Pac Man is promoted by Top Rank it can be 2020 and the fight STILL will not have come off.

Posted January 9, 2013 3:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Floyd is running out of Marquis opponents in his weight classes and a future cash out of Pac Man is possible, do you deny that Mayweather on MORE than one occasion has expressed interest in fighting Pacquiao at some point and that the bout is lucrative? Never heard him in the ring after a fight calling out Martinez? I have heard him say “if you the best take the test” in reference to Pacquiao…. Assuming Pac can get a win this bout will conservatively still book 2 million buys due to their respective fanbases and that type of money with Floyds additional leverage 65% 35% or some sort of flat fee to Pac Man presents a FAR more compelling option than Martinez… You are willing to ignore Floyds own discussions over the years about fighting Pacquiao but you hold up a silly blurb from Roger as proof he is going to fight Martinez?? HAHAHAHA You have just branded yourself the fool AGAIN…

Posted January 9, 2013 3:09 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Claiming somewhere down the line he will face Martinez is pure fantasy”-LMAO. Since your reading SKILLS are poor it probably seems that way to you…but for those of us who can read, its not pure fantasy. Its pure READING ability.

Posted January 9, 2013 3:07 pm 


SREDMOND

You have to be kidding me trying to substitute an interview with Roger Mayweather about who Floyd will fight for an ACTUAL signed contract? talks being handled by Golden Boy? WOW Boxtradamus has truly fallen into the land of the naive… SMH!! Mayweather is not negotiating with Martinez and his name is so far down the trough its really poor satire and more a monument to your willingness to argue ANY point no matter how impossible it is to substantiate….That declaration is NOT worth the paper it is NOT printed on..

Posted January 9, 2013 3:05 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“smarter bet would be him fighting Pacquiao if he can rejuvenate his brand by getting a solid win over Marquez..” -Nope. That’s the DUMBER bet. Pacquiao extended his contract with Top Rank which pretty much killed any chance of that happening. Floyd hasn’t helped Top Rank make one single dollar since he left them…and he isnt going to either.

Posted January 9, 2013 3:03 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Get real we ALL know that Floyd Mayweather is NOT gonna fight Sergio Martinez and no single line blurb is going to change that”- LMFAO! No. We ALL can read that Mayweather IS going to fight Martinez for his last hurrah and no single man’s OPINION is going to change it unless his last name is Mayweather….but we THANK you for restating your OPINION for those who didn’t catch it the first time.

Posted January 9, 2013 2:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Trying to say Martinez does NOT belong at MW because of how big Pavs was is nutty…Pavlik is a guy who could fight at 168 or 175 but he got used to knocking guys out at 160 so he boils it down… Martinez is a MW fighter, he is NOT in that division because of the TONS of Big fights there… Biggest bout he booked was Chavez Jr beyond that what other PPV opportunities are there? Reason he is NOT at 154 is that he is physically MORE comfortable at the higher weight which his promoter stated YEARS ago before the tried to get himself into the FMJ and Pac Man sweepstakes claiming he would go to 150 or 154…

Posted January 9, 2013 12:50 pm 


SREDMOND

Beating Kelly Pavlik is NOT gonna get Martinez deemed as an ATG, it was a very good win as was PWILL but Martinez overall body of work does not even come close to rising to the level of ATG fighter… Trying to overhype Kelly Pavlik is not going to prove to be the launching pad for Martinez ATG campaign, he lacks the foes, and the longevity of dominance to even begin to make that argument… He may one day qualify for the HOF but ATG is well beyond his grasp, feasting on Barker, Macklin, Dzidurik, Chavez and others… Martinez might prove to be a case of “What if” but we will likely never know harping on him NOT being a MW is WEAK…. By this same measure we can argue FMJ is not a WW since his fight night weights are well below MANY top guys in that division… Martinez is the MW Champion and trying to sell him as the Manny P of that division is a JOKE….

Posted January 9, 2013 12:33 pm 


TARK

Martinez is not the greatest middleweight ever. Monzon would have beaten Sergio. So would Roy Jones, James Toney, and Bernard Hopkins. But Sergio had the speed, power, cunning, and boxing finesse to out-box Middleweight Champions like Pavlik, Taylor, Fullmer, LaMotta, Graziano, Hagler, Walker, Valdez, Griffith, Benvenuti, Leonard, Zale, Cerdan, and most other former middleweight champions … So called experts—who’s knowledge of Boxing is pathetic—won’t call Sergio an ATG, but I certainly do … After all, the so called experts thought middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik would beat him.

Martinez—even at 38 years of age—is still so fast, skillful, and powerful he’d give Canelo or Mayweather massive problems at 154, which is Martinez’s natural weight … Did you notice the size difference between Sergio and Pavlik? … Sergio has to buff to stay at 160.

Posted January 9, 2013 11:51 am 


ThaBruiser

Ironically, you would think that in a hypothetical matchup between Sergio and Floyd, Martinez would want to expolit his size and punching power advantage and try to overpower Money, but this is actually the worst thing he could do, as we all know Floyd is a master at expoiting another man’s aggression and turning it into a counter-punching clinic (as he did to the bigger/stronger De La Hoya). Floyd however, will have a problem if Sergio decides to jump on his bicycle, resists he urge to attack, and forces the smaller and shorter armed Mayweather to come to him. The last place Floyd wants to be is trying to chase the highly mobile Sergio down and run the risk of getting caught reaching by one of Sergio’s power shots. For that reason alone, this fight NEVER happens.

Posted January 9, 2013 11:10 am 


SREDMOND

You are wedded to this 20 pound radius but apparently this is NOT a static radius?? Floyd has already travelled this 20 pound standard that you established BUT you seek to further expand it??? The reality is that you DON’T even have a concrete system as it pertains to adding weight… FMJ began at 130, he has fought fighters in the 154 pound class, which is 24 pounds at weigh in, if we incorporate rehydration weights we are easily in the 30 pound range… Truth is that Floyd has MORE than exceeded YOUR size model but you want more poundage… Again this easily refutes your notion and shows your standards are fraudulent and simply whimsical outpourings from your keyboard…

Posted January 9, 2013 11:07 am 


SREDMOND

I don’t discount Floyds chances against almost ANYONE, reality is that Floyd Mayweather is NOT and has NOT sought to face a MW fighter especially the TRUE MW Champion of the world, its cool to prognosticate about the outcome and I pretty much ALWAYS give Floyd the theoretical nod in any bout… That said we KNOW what Mayweather schedule is for 2013 and the reality is that an aging Martinez is gonna fight this Murray character and then a likely Chavez rematch… Floyd throwing out Martinez name to offer a counter opponent during the “I might fight Pacquiao days” is a ploy easily seen thru there has been almost NADA out of the Mayweather camp about Martinez the buzz is Guerrero who is ONLY 2 fights into is campaign at WW…. Bottomline the fight is NOT gonna happen or call me when it is signed..

Posted January 9, 2013 10:49 am 


SREDMOND

Comparing a fight between the then 142 pound Marquez and the possible 170 pound fight night weight of Martinez is serious amateur hour Boxtradamus..If you think a P4P ranking which is subjective and matter of opinion cloaks you in an impregnable armor you then you need to learn FAR more about boxing… Martinez would destroy Marquez in under 6 rounds it would be an utterly disgusting rout that would NEVER happen…Marquez was smaller and had difficulty reaching Mayweather in anyway shape or form, Martinez is taller and physically stronger than FMJ, and his punches carry FAR more danger than Marquez relative bee stings when he fought Floyd… Marquez is ranked ABOVE Wlad Klits I am sure you also believe that he would defeat him too because some guys collaborated and formed an opinion?? Marquez was ranked UNDER Pac Man by the same experts you lean on and he knocked him out.. How can this be??

Posted January 9, 2013 10:37 am 


SREDMOND

Get real we ALL know that Floyd Mayweather is NOT gonna fight Sergio Martinez and no single line blurb is going to change that… He has 2 fights pretty much lined up at this point Guerrero then Canelo from there its anyones guess, smarter bet would be him fighting Pacquiao if he can rejuvenate his brand by getting a solid win over Marquez… Claiming somewhere down the line he will face Martinez is pure fantasy and simply something that having an imagination allows to flourish… Somehow its 2013 and the Pac Man fight NEVER came off to date, Martinez who brings FAR less economic cache to the game yet represents ANOTHER weight class has pretty much NO shot at facing FMJ

Posted January 9, 2013 10:29 am 


Anonymous

Well if you are a true boxing fan, 2013 will not be a good boxing year, if these fights dont happen
Audley Harrison v Matt Skelton
Dermacus Corley v Kaizer Mabuza
Segun Ajose v Amir Khan
Kevin Mitchell v Junior Witter
James Degale v Paul Smith II

Posted January 9, 2013 7:14 am 


rod

Vitali fighting someone his own height would have been fun to watch. He only did that once and it was a 12 round war. Every other opponent asside from lewis has been 3-4 inches shorter than him. Wlad would Wach and that was very entertaining. Would love to see Vitali put on the gloves before he retires and fights Wach, Price, Fury, Helenius, Ustinov, Dimitrenko……..someone his own height.

Posted January 9, 2013 12:01 am 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Floyd comes in the ring at 151 or so at most and Martinez might weigh 170″- As long as he doesn’t come in at 172 Floyd will be fine. SKILLS has proven throughout the History of Boxing that it TRUMPS a 19 pound advantage all day LONG.

Posted January 8, 2013 7:30 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“this 20 pound range is an arbitrary construct of your imagination.”- Good guess but NOPE its a time tested and Documented FACT. Fighters arent obligated to face ANYONE besides their mandatory if they happen to be a CHAMP. Other than that the Great ones never feel obligated to face the best challenge out there. They SEEK out the BEST competition available and that’s what Floyd has shown a history of DOING despite SISSIES praying that he does otherwise.

Posted January 8, 2013 7:24 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Really so why not match him up with Donaire, Wlad, and Ward, or basically anyone else in the Top 10 P4P???” -Take a READING class. I already stated that within 20 pounds is where SKILLS will prevail. Donaire, Wlad, and Ward don’t qualify for Floyd.

Posted January 8, 2013 7:17 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

I’m a Boxing fan who wants to SEE the BEST Fights possible. No one within 20 pounds of Floyd can give him a better Fight than Martinez. If YOU can’t SEE that have NO fear because I DO

Posted January 8, 2013 7:06 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Martinez is not chasing “skills at 154 or 150″ he is chasing a paycheck”-No. He’s chasing SKILLS and a paycheck. You don’t fet one without the other when you face Floyd Mayweather. It’s a combo deal. So let him chase his own SCHOOLING. What do YOU have against it??? The guy wants to try and prove that he’s the BETTER man.

Posted January 8, 2013 7:03 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“The goal of boxing is NOT to physically disadvantage yourself”- Exactly. The goal of Boxing is to show who the BETTER man is. When you face someone 20 lbs Bigger that’s no longer a battle of who’s the BETTER man. It’s a battle of who’s the DUMBER man. The loser is a Big DUMMY.

Posted January 8, 2013 6:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Floyd comes in the ring at 151 or so at most and Martinez might weigh 170 or so and its about what you are used to dealing with… Martinez is a MW who can take and give MW punches he is acclimated to dealing with MUCH bigger men physically than Floyd Mayweather… No one said its unwinnable for Floyd BUT its FAR from a natural matchup and the bottomline is that it is NOT going to happen…. Mayweather has expressed 0 interest in Martinez who does NOT have a big fanbase and is a BIGGER man….Martinez had to take the LESSOR purse to Chavez Jr, he has NOTHING to entice Floyd into the ring…

Posted January 8, 2013 5:14 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

CORRECTION…time to strike..

Posted January 8, 2013 5:13 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“guys like Chavez come in the ring at 180 lbs fight night” – Well its a good thing that he doesn’t have to face Chavez Jr…SO its tike to strike while the getting it is GOOD…Martinez is he MW CHAMP and he doesn’t come in any heavier than 167 but Floyd should hope he comes in at 170.

Posted January 8, 2013 5:10 pm 


SREDMOND

Really so why not match him up with Donaire, Wlad, Ward or basically anyone else in the Top 10 P4P??? if being P4P meant you automatically should square off regardless of division then Wlad and Mayweather should thump it out?? Nonsense and this 20 pound range is an arbitrary construct of your imagination… Fighters are not under obligation to venture outside their divisions in order to compete, those who do and are successful get extra credit… Floyd Mayweather did something 95% of boxers NEVER will he showed excellence in 5 classes no need for a 6th

Posted January 8, 2013 5:10 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

“Using FMJ as a lightening rod for every boxer in the sport is CORNY”- Yes it is. And that’s why I don’t do that. I use him as a lightening rod for CHAMPS and Top 10P4P Fighters.

Posted January 8, 2013 5:05 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Canelo is a #0 P4P Prospect who has never faced a CHAMP in his LIFE. He has NO qualifications to face the #1 rated Fighter in the ENTIRE Sport and beating a WW for a 154 title doesnt change it….When there are no worthy Challengers in YOUR Division you look into OTHER Divisions like Ward and Broner just did. Martinez is the most worthy Challeger within 20 lbs of floyd other than Marquez who he has already faced and BEAT. Great promoting by Golden Boy may fool most but promoting had never fooled me. Never will. All I SEE is who is ranked at the Top in the Sport. Great promoting is irrelevant to proving who is the BEST….Floyd came Back not only for the money but also to enhance his legacy. Beating Canelo doesnt DO that at THIS time. As you have stated Floyd is already the Top rated CHAMP at 154. The last Division within his weight range that he doesn’t hold a title at is 160. He doesnt have to go up in weight. He can come in at his normal weight and Out Box Martinez 7 days a week.

Posted January 8, 2013 5:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez is not chasing “skills at 154 or 150″ he is chasing a paycheck so lets be clear…He has faced some nondescript foes as of late at 160 he could have had BETTER name opponents at 154 over the years ie Kirkland, Cotto, Canelo and others BUT he does not make that weight easily and they don’t bring the FMJ paycheck…If skills was the driver of his decisions he could have skipped Macklin and fought a more talented 154 pounder OR he could challenge himself and face the #2 man in the sport without having to shed weight to get the fight (Ward) AGAIN we know what is driving is decisions its $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ which is understandable but does not obligate him to the shot

Posted January 8, 2013 4:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Floyd has already travelled the 20 pounds and he his a guy who could make weight SAME DAY at WW no need for him to continue climbing the scales… History has shown that men can win titles at 47 but how many of them are there? Floyds moves in weight cannot be discussed without noting where he started in the sport… He overcame 20 pounds he is NOT anything close to a MW fighter where guys like Chavez come in the ring at 180 pounds fight night…. The goal of boxing is NOT to physically disadvantage yourself to the point where you negate your own skillset hence weight classes and the P4P concept which speaks to the idea of who would be the BEST if all things were equal… Floyd has proved ENOUGH as it pertains to facing bigger men

Posted January 8, 2013 3:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Canelo is a BETTER matchup for Floyd Mayweather at this point the bout is BOTH lucrative and each has a belt in the SAME division… Using FMJ as a lightening rod for every boxer in the sport is CORNY… He has proved himself in more divisions that MOST Greats as such he need not fight at MW after beginning at 130, he already moved the needle 24 pounds so going further is unnecessary.

Posted January 8, 2013 3:54 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

THIS article is about CURRENT matchups. So if anyone has a better CURRENT matchup for Floyd please state it.

Posted January 8, 2013 3:48 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Of COURSE Martinez only has one reason to come down to 150 or 154. The other reason just got knocked out…why would he come down for anyone else?? Everyone else down there are not in his SKILL class.

Posted January 8, 2013 3:27 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Floyd shouldn’t face Ward because the History of Boxing teaches us that a 20+ lb weight advantage can overcome SKILLS so the winner would not necessarily be the BETTER Fighter. Martinez has LESS than a 20 lb advantage and SKILLS overcome that at a very high rate. So the most logical matchup for Floyd is Martinez.

Posted January 8, 2013 3:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez is NOT the boss, Canelo would rather wait for a BIG Championship fight with Mayweather than a fight with Martinez where HE (Canelo) would be the bigger draw.. AGAIN chasing Floyd down the scales is not going to make Martinez look like a greater fighter…

Posted January 8, 2013 3:15 pm 


SREDMOND

By the logic of him (Martinez) being 4th best in the sport TODAY which I don’t argue then why should Floyd NOT fight the #2 guy (Ward) ????? The reason is they are NOT in the same weight class… Why would Martinez who is #4 not moveup and fight the #2 guy Ward? AGAIN Sergio is a terrific fighter but the attempts to paint him as this stealth 154 pounder are for one reason and one reason only and that is to secure a bout with Floyd Mayweather he has not comedown for anyone else and was ready to sell his soul in order to get that fight ie discussing being 150….

Posted January 8, 2013 3:13 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

IF Martinez were SMART he’d cut Mayweather off at the pass by taking Canelo out at 154. That way there would be no one left for Floyd to face thats credible.

Posted January 8, 2013 3:04 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

According to the Consensus of EXPERTS, Martinez is the 4th BEST Fighter in the World at THIS time. Comparing him to PAST times is irrelevant for CURRENT matchups. At THIS time there is only ONE guy more worthy of a Mayweather matchup and Floyd already BEAT him (Juan Manuel Marquez)…So Martinez is next in line.

Posted January 8, 2013 3:00 pm 


jamesyg_31

Just picking up on some more of the Martinez v Floyd comments, i think Martinez would be better aiming at some of the talent packed 168 division for a big payday & to secure his legacy, at the moment we have a recognised king in the MW & SMW divisions only seperated by 8lbs, if Martinez walks around at 175 it should be easy to come up in weight & he & Ward can get it on in a potential superfight

Posted January 8, 2013 2:55 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Yup. Mike McCallum was NO joke.

Posted January 8, 2013 2:54 pm 


TARK

….”Duran ducked nobody,Hearns ducked nobody,Hagler ducked nobody”

They all ducked Mike McCallum… Hagler avoided Mike after McCallum obliterated Julian (29-0) Jackson in 2 rounds to remain undefeated—and a fight between them was proposed. Hearns, Duran, and Leonard ducked McCallum for years. The body snatcher was impossible to hurt and would have done a number on all those boys. I think his one punch KO of Don Curry also sent the wrong message.

Posted January 8, 2013 2:37 pm 


Rich

Mick don’t bother asking, they don’t even know,next time it will be “you are posting to quickly”……

Posted January 8, 2013 1:24 pm 


Tomato Can

I like Martinez as a fighter, but I’ve never considered him a great fighter. IMO he’s a very good fighter, if he was great, everyone would be calling him out, not just middle wieghts who are trying to step up the latter.

Posted January 8, 2013 1:21 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

Junior: Until they fight each other we’ll never know. They should have fought each other years ago.

Posted January 8, 2013 1:00 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

Memo to ESB: Where’s my comments gone?

Posted January 8, 2013 12:02 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

Any Frank Warren Boxer fighting a unification would be nice to see. Cleverley & Burns have hiden behind the WBO banner for far too long. Shumenov had offered Clev a 50% split on nuetral ground (Las Vegas) & got turned down. Regarding Barker, Murray & Macklin, no one in the UK knows exactlly who’s the #1 @ 160Lb over here right now. These guy’s better sort it out soon because British & Commonwealth champion B.J.Saunders is getting better all the time.

Posted January 8, 2013 12:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Haimat, you say that Sergio has fought BETTER fighters than Floyd over the past few years how the hell do you support that statement? Floyds last 6 opponents included Oscar a then standing 6 division Champion who is HOF bound, Shane Mosley a 3 division Champion coming off a HUGE KO win who is HOF bound, Marquez a 3 division Champion who is HOF bound, Ricky Hatton a then undefeated 2 weight Champion, and Miguel Cotto a 3 division standing Champion who was 4 years younger, and HOF bound and who fought the MOST aggessive schedule of any active former or current WW fighter…Maravillas competition PALES in comparison that is why he is chasing Floyd down the scale in order to first make money and second get a shot at a marquis name…

Posted January 8, 2013 11:56 am 


SREDMOND

Haimat, Floyd has done something that NEITHER Hagler or Hopkins did, he is UNDEFEATED thru 5 weight classes…He has been a P4P top fighter since he was 22 years old wiping out Diego Corrales when he was undefeated, beating Genaro Hernandez, Manfredy, Castillo etc…Martinez and Mayweather don’t belong in the same sentence…One guy is the TOP man in boxing and ATG who did something that not even SRL, Hearns or Duran did, stay undefeated in 5 divisions…. What has Sergio done that even begins to rate?? 44 year old Hopkins took Pavlik to school, Quintana beat Pwill even though Sergios win was dominant…I don’t want to bash Sergio but he does not rate with FMJ, look at his resume for the bulk of his career? Since 2010 the BEST he has done is beat Chavez Jr, a STRONG, DURABLE yet slow and uncommitted fighter (not Serges fault… But Martinez has work to do, FMJ is already an ATG…

Posted January 8, 2013 11:20 am 


SREDMOND

Haimat, you are smoking crack, Floyd has been beating WORLD Champions… I like Maravilla but he is NOT a 5 weight titlist like Floyd Mayweather he got knocked out at 147 by Margarito… Floyd just defeated a HOF 3 division Champion who is one of the ERA’s best… Who did Sergio beat? Chavez? who is more NAME than substance… AGAIN I like Maravilla but beating Dzidurink, (a 154 pounder) Barker and Macklin are NOT a slew of really talented fighters… Sorry! Say what you will after 21 months FMJ wiped out the guy who almost killed Pacquiao and he (Marquez) is definitely HOF bound, he dominated Shane Mosley AFTER Shane came off of one of his biggest wins.. Maravilla is being oversold he is a terrific fighter but he is not beating anyone special.

Posted January 8, 2013 11:13 am 


Haimat

SREDMOND, Maravilla is a great fighter. He’s been fighter better opposition than Floyd the last couple of years, after the Bunema fight. All fights have been the toughest fights out there that he could get his hands on. Big names or not. Sure, he’s not on the level of B-Hop or Monzon but Floyd ain’t either.

Posted January 8, 2013 11:05 am 


PEEJ

I like the fact that some folks on here can actually be truth and objective when saying the Floyd and Pacs camp are to blame for the fight not coming off. That is 100% correct. Although I never wanted to see the fight cause I think Floyd handles Pac with ease. Martinez is not even a HOF fighter much less a great fighter. He has to actually dominate his weight class before that can even be considered. Floyd’s record speaks for itself. People will recognize hi accomplishments once he is retired and realize what a great career he had just like Larry Holmes

Posted January 8, 2013 10:58 am 


SREDMOND

I think Sergio is BRAVE and he goes for the finish but that along with being OLD is not enough to sell him as an ATG fighter…The BEST fighter he fought since 2010 I believe is Chavez Jr who despite being tough and strong his not gonna be mistaken for a GREAT fighter… Chavez best win was Andy Lee who is not some terrific talent, it might not be Martinez fault that the division is short on talented names but the idea that he is this ATG fighter is an affront to a guy like Hopkins who defended 20 times consecutively… Maravilla likely does not have enough time in his career to cement a remotely equivalent legacy especially chasing WW fighters…. And don’t bore me Tito and Oscar BOTH campaigned at 154 before Hops stopped both guys.

Posted January 8, 2013 10:57 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, Sergio Martinez is NOT an ATG fighter what a DUMB comment…He is a VERY talented and fun guy but the bulk of his career was spent facing fodder and his MW reign is not ATG in nature…Williams and Pavlik were his best wins, after that maybe Chavez then these Euro guys who have no name despite their records… Guys like Monzon, Hopkins, Hagler are head and shoulders above Martinez he has NOT compiled a resume that rates at the ATG level despite his fan friendly style he would have to make his case statistically if he is giong to stay at the level of Matthew Macklin, Barker and Murray and he has a LONG way to go in order to do that….There is NOT a single marquis MW fighter that would generate an unusual amount of credit he would need to go get Ward in order to radically up his cache..

Posted January 8, 2013 10:52 am 


SREDMOND

What a SILLY comment that Floyd cannot be considered GREAT because he and Canelo have around the same number of fights… How many WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP fights and defenses does Mayweather have?? How many standing and former World Champions has he defeated? HOF level fighters? Canelo could fight 4 times per year vs nobodies building a record because he is YOUNG, FMJ has been involved in BIG fights for years… Sugar Ray Leonard retired with LESS bouts than Mayweather has now and he is considered on the of the BEST fighters of all time…. A kid padding his record is just that quality tells the story

Posted January 8, 2013 10:48 am 


Rax

tumbo – yeah but riggondeux is on the – his 11 fight have got himself a title and i guess all i can say in his defense is watch this space – i;m sure he’ll just keep on fighting the best he can. the real problem is its impossible to say one fighter is ducking another these days when you have promoters, managers etc avoiding real challengers for their fighters – add to that hbotime having a say (although that one at least is aimed at ppv sales which should mean best fights – but as we know doesn’t always – for donaire and mares – the jackal is just too biig a risk for too little reward.
for mine, the blatant fight avoid started with bowe’s belt in the trash antics re Lennox Lew
as far as the whole amateurs into pros i guess the main thing that has changed (and maybe will change back as amo boxing rules changed in 2011) is that its not the medal winners that perform as pros – although the Jackal is my man and GGG is a beast and ward the son of god, for the most part the guys with the pro friendly styles didnt often medal at the highest amateur level – cotto, bute etc were good amateurs but not great.
an earlier article on this site had oz amateur damian hoopers’ pro potential question, mostly based on his failure at the top amo comps.
hooper is a gun – if he can keep his head straight. but under the amateur scoring system (not to mention head gear and 12 oz gloves ) hoopers style was disadvantaged – check him out on youtube if you feel like – the thing you’ll notice is that hooper could be beaten by high guard disciplined fighters who worked with basic punches – jab, 1-2 – and looked to counter with single potshot like punches – i dare say trying that over 12, 10 or even 8 rounds in the pros will make for sitting ducks

Posted January 8, 2013 6:40 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

Any Frank Warren fighter in a unification would be nice to see. Nathan Cleverley & Ricky Burns have hiden behind there WBO bangles for far too long. Shumenov has offered Clev a 50% split on nuetral ground (Vegas) but still no contest.

Posted January 8, 2013 6:08 am 


Seamus

Floyd cant be considered an all time great as he doesnt fight ….. hes only had one more pro fight than Canelo and hes 15 years older,should he fight Manny and beat him then he could claim to be the best,Duran ducked nobody,Hearns ducked nobody,Hagler ducked nobody etc etc GREAT fighters fight everybody

Posted January 8, 2013 4:49 am 


TJ

AGREE with TARK… Maravilla is the marvel he purports himself to be and he has looked for and taken on the best available fighters at his advanced age.

Age will be his biggest challenger rather than his competition although Murray will be tough if he elects to stand toe-to-toe with him.

Posted January 8, 2013 3:15 am 


TARK

Rax says, “PW was overated” and “The1 punch ko was impressive for punching power and timing but not indicative of any great skill increase – especially since he hasn’t repeated it against any of his opponents since. and lets look at them – a drunk pavlik and a stoned (over rated) chavez and then 2 hand picked mediocre brits and a euro b grader – and here comes another 2nd tier challenger in murray” … Well, not everyone is 3G..

PW was 39-1.. Chavez was undefeated in over 40 fights.. Pavlik was undefeated as a middleweight at 36-1 and suffered his lone defeat as a light heavyweight. The Brits were the best they could produce and Barker was undefeated. Dzinziruk was undefeated at 37-0, and a World Champion. Williams, Pavlik, Dzinziruk, and Barker were all over 6′ tall. Obviously nobody had ever stopped Williams, Dzinziruk, or Barker before, and SM did.

Posted January 8, 2013 3:00 am 


Rax

tark – p-dub was as over rated a fighter as you can get and martinez struggled in their first fight – yes he landed a great shot and deserved accolades for the win in fight #2 but it was after all a 2nd round 1 punch ko – impressive for punching power and timing but not indicative of any great skill increase – especially since he hasn’t repeated it against any of his opponents since. and lets look at them – a drunk pavlik and a stoned (over rated) chavez and then 2 hand picked mediocre brits and a euro b grader – and here comes another 2nd tier challenger in murray

which is more likely that in his late 30′s and after 40 odd fights martinez suddenly became a top pound 4 pounder and all time great or that he is a carefully matched and overly hyped modern day paper champ? to me and most i know, the answer is obvious.

murray (vs maravilla) is paying nearly 6-1 on the oz books – i think he is crap but i’m still gonna put a fifty on him – thats how over rated and ready for a fall i think martinez is.

the problem is and has been – for Martinez there is no better money to fight Golovkin or Geale than there is to fight a Murray – so why would he take a risky fight (one he’d probably lose) when he can fight a b level fighter for the same money. martinez will probably win this fight and then retire so he doesn’t have to fight GGG and get hurt

Posted January 8, 2013 2:24 am 


te tumbo

lol @ Classic Tark trying to revise history so that 12 years ago Martinez was a smaller puncher who engaged in an FOY with the much bigger Margarito and experienced the exact same(?) damage as Cotto(?!). facts are that Tony and Sergio were evenly matched but Martinez ran out of gas, wilted, and Quit. this bout was nowhere near as hotly-contested as Margarito v. Cotto. it was a solid steppingstone win for Tony and nothing more.

Posted January 8, 2013 2:20 am 


Rax

Te Tumbo – its not often you and i aren’t on the same page but check out my reply to your bodyshot persona on the other – re the article on the R bart vs usman fight – in response to your comments there re Rigondeaux – let me shine the light on you brother re the great man Guillermo Rigondeaux who unlike other gun amateurs hasn’t spent 20 or 30 fights to find his way in the pros – he had a half dozen and then was straight into the gate keepers and top tier fighters – thats why after 10 fights he was a world champ and why after 11 he’s rated so highly. 400 odd amateur fights for only 12 loses – when you’ve done multiple world champs, olympics and other best of the best amateur tourneys you shouldn’t – like ward and GGG for 2 – need more than a handful of pro fights to be facing the best.

Posted January 8, 2013 2:09 am 


te tumbo

TARK, please align these high-sounding titles you’re tossing around with the great fights that earned them? also, you’re either Blind or Stupid or Both if you can’t understand why Martinez lost to Margarito. he couldn’t hurt him. he couldn’t stop him. He-QUIT. end of story. the fight can be viewed on YouTube and anybody can see that Martinez was nowhere Neeear as battered and bloody as Cotto was. nor as gritty or tough. it was nothing more than a severe case of culture-shock for the civilized Martinez who had never been in with the likes of a Tough, Punishing, and Unrelenting ring-warrior like Margarito. it’s obvious in his body language and final wilt at which point the referee spared this marshmallow from additional pounding that did NOT ruin his career. isn’t that supposed to be the result of being pulverized into submission with “loaded wraps”? Wtf makes Martinez so special? besides getting stronger and faster as he got older(?!).

Posted January 8, 2013 2:08 am 


mansworld

Manny got KTFO get over it say what you want Floyd is undefeated and if Marquez did that you Manny just think what Floyd would have done stupid Pactards…

Posted January 8, 2013 1:22 am 


Ray Ray

Both Mayweather and Pacmans teams R 2 blame 4 that fight never happening. As far as Floyd being scared and fighting any1…..well that’s just rubbish. People letting there hatred 4 the man get In the way of the judgement when it comes 2 his boxing skills. If Mayweather was scared he could have stayed retired….His hit list is far more impressive than Manny’s, especially considering the heavy weight or younger age he took those opponents on. Manny has been gd 2 watch but he’s pretty much done, Floyd still has atleast 2 huge fights..Alvarez, Martinez…could even b more than that. Get over it there’s no debate about these 2 anymore

Posted January 8, 2013 1:13 am 


The Best!

Mayweather the COWARD I dont care to see fight smaller or washed up guys. He comes out of hiding years after the Best fighters called him out the challenges when they are washed and old . He avoids Manny because Manny is Juicing but Marquez fights Manny 4 times regardless of the matter. I would just watch his fights to see him get his ass handed to him. But that will never happen because he avoids the Best in their prime.

Posted January 8, 2013 12:35 am 


K.C.

Floyd is caca!!

Posted January 8, 2013 12:15 am 


TARK

Martinez is a very small middleweight and made his mark at 147, 154, and 160… He was National Welterweight Champion, World Super Welterweight Champion, and World Middleweight Champion … He lost only 2 losses.. He lost a highly suspect ww stoppage to Plaster Master MargaCheato.. He wasn’t knocked out but battered bloody like Cotto and the referee stopped it.. He also lost a highly disputed decision to Paul Williams which he avenged with a crushing KO… He holds the World Middleweight Championship at age 38 and has won 6 Middleweight Championship fights in 3 years.. He esentiallly won 11 World Title Fights because everyone agrees he beat Kermit Cintron … So if Martiniz is not an all-time great not many middleweights in history are.. Since he can easily make 154 the Floyd fight should be made — but Sergio is very dangerous so it won’t be made.

Posted January 8, 2013 12:08 am 


PEEJ

Saying Floyd has fought fighters Pac already beat up then I could say who has Pac beat above 147, all the fighters that Floyd already beat up. Paul Williams was overrated, Pavlik was a 160lb fighter and he was not the same after Hopkins. When Martinez fought him he just got out of another stint in rehab. Come on now. Ok besides those 2 fighters whom has Martinez actually beat?

Posted January 8, 2013 12:02 am 


te tumbo

i don’t want to see Marquez v. Pacquiao* V either. money aside, Marquez can’t possibly improve on the outcome of IV. i’d much rather see him v. Bradley to place an exclamation point on his superiority over Pacquiao*. meanwhile, following the limited performances of Lara and Barthelemy, you’d think people would finally discard the Cold War Cuban mystique myth in favor of Cuban defectors, e.g., Rigondeaux? how an 11-0 fighter is P4P anything, especially in my favorite sport, is beyond comprehension. Wtf is this? MMA?!? it’s an insult to Donaire and Mares who’ve Earrrrned their professional creds and stripes. Rios v. Mathysse is a natural. unfortunately, American scorecards have robbed Mathysse of his otherwise hard-earned marquee value and perhaps done the opposite for Brandon. in a sport where money shouts, Rios is in Pacquiao*, Marquez, Khan, and Guerrero country, which makes this matchup less than the most profitable for the time being. however, any combination of Garcia, Alvarado, and Mathysse would be a satisfying consolation. speaking of Garcia, a rematch v. Khan is mandatory and mutually beneficial. i Do see that happening in 2013. Kirkland v. Angulo is another natural and perhaps even safest for these two Punchers who i can see being outscored and foiled by boxers like Lara and Martirosyan or crafty fighters like Molina. Punching (not boxing) is what these two know and do best. i conceded the heavies to the Klitschkos a long time ago. No Suspense. No Interest. not to mention No Americans. the one factor that might compel this fight-fan to must-see a Klitschko fight. Froch v. Kessler II? Yes. ending their careers v. each other is a unique opportunity for these equally-matched ring-warriors. IMO, Broner is already beyond Gamboa who should think twice, Three-Times, before pursuing Broner to 135lbs or beyond but if Gamboa does, i’ll be sure to watch. however, at this point, it’s no less exotic than Mayweather pursuing Martinez to 160lbs.

Posted January 7, 2013 11:56 pm 


mansworld

Arum is a greedy bastard and he will only match his fighters against eash other so he gets lions share of the purse that why Cotto vs. Mayweather couldntg happen all thise years until he left Arum, Same reason why we keep fighting Manny with Marquez and we will never see a fight with Floyd, Dont be suprised if you see a Many vs. Marques 5,6, and 7 lol Manny should really retire people thought he was dead….

Posted January 7, 2013 11:54 pm 


mansworld

Mayweather Beat DLH,Cotto, Hatton Gatti Marquez who by the way Flattened Manny who else can get it???Manny is done get over it

Posted January 7, 2013 11:46 pm 


te tumbo

Agree with PEEJ. IMO, Martinez’s P4P status is irrefutable but ATGreatness awaits at 160lbs and higher. i’d settle for Canelo for starters. if he’s successful, Ward, Dirrell, even Bute or Kessler would be pretty impressive. Martinez v. Mayweather is intriguing and a good payday for both fighters but i don’t want to see Mayweather an ounce above 147lbs ever again. particularly v. a bigger, stronger, and equally ring-smart southpaw like Martinez. at best, a punishing win for Floyd. at worst, crushing first loss. either way, Floyd’s Haters get to dictate the final chapter of Mayweather’s career. Don’t Do it Floyd.

Posted January 7, 2013 11:25 pm 


PEEJ

Actually he will be right behind them. Which is still pretty damn good. Floyd is still considered an all time great and will go down as better than Pac and Martinez. Martinez won’t even be listed because he wont even be in the HOF. And there is noboyd that will ever make it to the level of those 4 fighters you mentioned

Posted January 7, 2013 11:17 pm 


PEEJ

The hight does not matter, he is still big in size and weight. And if Martinez wants to be great then he should fight above 160. Right now Martinez is just a good fighter. He is not even HOF worthy. Floyd is a first ballot HOF fighter. And all he asked of Pac was a drug test, he conceded to every demand Pac wanted but yet Pac couldn’t take a random drug test. If I told my job that I would not take any random drug test then they would not of hired me.

Posted January 7, 2013 10:52 pm 


Rax

well put. but i’d like to add re leonard,that as great as he was, was the original careful match maker- otherwise where was the aaron pryor fight? in fact all those guys have fighters they didn’t fight – and i guess that is the point someone makes below re floyd – there will always be someone that people say he should’ve fought. people ingnore leonards avoiding pryor just because he fought hearns and duran. i love leonard as a fighter and his talent cannot be argued with but he also did the whole catch weight thing vs lalonde and his popularity saw him get gifts in the way of a win over hagler and a draw vs hearns (#2)

Posted January 7, 2013 10:52 pm 


largo

If Floyd is only fighting for the money, ok, he can easily beat those guys but please, do not talk about legacy…they mean sht.

Posted January 7, 2013 10:49 pm 


Oswald Cobblepott

Mayweather will play duck duck goose til he retires in 2014

Posted January 7, 2013 10:47 pm 


largo

Lman, correct, those fights will prove nothing because they are not true challenges.

Posted January 7, 2013 10:46 pm 


largo

where the hell did the idea that SM is a big MW come from? the guy is Floyd’s height FFS…

Posted January 7, 2013 10:44 pm 


Lman

if floyd wants to keep his undefeated record and add to his legacy i dont think he has much of a choice but north of Jr mw, sure he has Canelo and Trout, the former of which would make him lots of money if he faced but what exactly will that prove if he wins, that he can beat two compentent but relativley inexperienced (in terms of big fights) guys. He already has a belt at jr MW why not try to get one at middleweight, he doesnt have to fight Martinez to do that. I dont understand why someone who can easily fight above his current weight class doesnt try to.

Posted January 7, 2013 10:40 pm 


PEEJ

Actually Pac said no with all his excuses. Yeah he did beat up fighters at made up weight classes huh. Ill take Floyd over Pac. He fights the fighters at there comfortable weight. Oh and he beats them up also. There really hasn’t been to many fighters that came out of the Floyd fight not looking beat up.

Posted January 7, 2013 10:32 pm 


PEEJ

Martinez cannot make 154. And if he did make 154 he would be so weight drained a win would mean nothing. Martinez asked Paul Williams to fight at 157 because he said he could not make 154. He walks around at about 180. And he is in good shape then. Martinez cannot make 154 and fighting him at 154 would mean nothing. If the fight did happen he would have to challenge him for the 160lb championship. Who can challenge Floyd, well not to many folks, he is just that good

Posted January 7, 2013 10:27 pm 


largo

if Floyd is not considering a fight with SM, why keep fighting? to demonstrate what, exactly?

Posted January 7, 2013 10:23 pm 


TARK

Floyd would not completely out-box Martinez… He didn’t completely out-box Cotto.. He lost rounds and got nailed with sharp shots.. Sergio is too fast and too powerful to be completely out-boxed by anyone.. He’s one of the few fighters with hands and feet that are quicker than Floyd’s.. The fight would take place at 154 and Sergio is 38 next month, a full 2 years older than Floyd—but Floyd will not go there.. The fight would be tougher than Canelo and that fight isn’t happening either … Floyd fought most of his career fights at 130, and has already made 2 trips to 154—which is a an 18% jump from 130.. Ray Leonard fought most of his career fights at 147 and made one trip to 168—which is a 14% jump.. Floyd fought all-time-greats Miguel Cotto and Oscar De La Hoya.. Leonard fought the inept swinger Donny Lalonde—who nevertheless dumped Ray on his keister.

Posted January 7, 2013 10:22 pm 


Joel Craig

Austin Trout wouldnt challenge him he would beat him. mayweathers better days are way behind him!!!

Posted January 7, 2013 10:21 pm 


largo

Where this idea that Sergio is a big MW came from? he’s about the same size than Floyd-5‘10“ & the muscular Floyd that fought Mosley would match Sergio pretty even…

Posted January 7, 2013 10:17 pm 


PEEJ

Actually ODH had some good wins at 154, it was 160 that was to much for him.

Posted January 7, 2013 10:15 pm 


largo

Ok, if not Sergio-at a catchweight or 154-who is out there to give Floyd a true challenge?

Posted January 7, 2013 10:06 pm 


Tomato Can

As good as Martinez is, he’s no Hagler at MW, which means a top fighters in lower weight classes have nothing to gain by fighting him at MW.

Posted January 7, 2013 9:58 pm 


jamesyg_31

Golovkin v Martinez would be great, would fancy GGG to win also. Don’t see Floyd fighting Martinez though, this would be a step too far (he struggled to bulk up to 154 & came in around WW limit for Cotto & ODH fights) & although he is skilled enough to pull it off it is v risky, but it would be great for his legacy to be the recognised world MW champ.

Posted January 7, 2013 9:52 pm 


Exiled Yank

Anonymous – Fm and MP are both to blame for that fight not happening.

Posted January 7, 2013 9:36 pm 


mansworld

Rios vs. Broner Guerro vs. Mayweather Trout Vs. Canelo thats about it…

Posted January 7, 2013 9:05 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Floyd will completely out Box Martinez. SKILLS is more important than SIZE.

Posted January 7, 2013 8:39 pm 


Ray Ray

Also…..Sugar ray fighting Donny LeLonde is nothing like Mayweather taking on Sergio Martinez. LeLonde wasn’t half the fighter Martinez is. The diff weight classes Floyd has gone thru cements his legacy enough. Martinez said he can get 2 154 easy so let’s c it, put his money where his mouth is?

Posted January 7, 2013 8:07 pm 


Anonymous

Floyd v Martinez is the same as Floyd v JMM … Except that Floyd is the smaller fighter for the first time, and not by much either

Posted January 7, 2013 8:03 pm 


Ray Ray

Floyd doesn’t need Martinez at middleweight 2 cement his legacy, 154 pnd match up will b fine. GGG v Matinez yes. Mayweather vs Alvarez yes. Mayweather vs Manny not really interested anymore it wouldn’t even b close. Manny vs Marquez again, no. Gamboa vs Bronner yes. Kessler vs Froch yes. I’d rather Pacman retire, if not I’d rather him avenge Bradley or take on a guy like Rios.

Posted January 7, 2013 8:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Marvin Hagler and many other boxers are regarded as GREAT for what they did in ONE weight class… AGAIN Floyd did 5 undefeated so his detractors will say “but you did not do 7 or 8″ such is the reality of being a GREAT fighter…People are not going to be happy until you take it too far… If he beats Martinez, people will say “Sergio was 37 going on 38″ “he hurt his leg against Chavez” blah blah blah…The fight that should have happened was Mayweather vs Pacquiao both were elites at the top of the sport operating in the same weight class and that opportunity was blown… Martinez is simply an indirect admission that no one in his weight classes can possibly defeat even a 36 year old version of Floyd Mayweather….

Posted January 7, 2013 6:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez is the LEGIT MW Champion and he is NOT even going to 168 let alone higher there is NOT an argument that can be made that he should not be challenged to campaign higher when Floyd Mayweather who’s best weight is now 147 ALREADY went up 5 divisions… This is simply a case of a serious double standard and there is no way around that… Floyd is next slated to face a WW fighter, if you keep going up the scale you will eventually lose and what does that prove EXCEPT you found the division where skills cannot compensate for size…. AGAIN Mayweather is an ATG, Martinez is NOT the onus is on Sergio to build his legacy….

Posted January 7, 2013 6:29 pm 


TARK

There’s more than a dozen potentially great heavyweight matchups that could be made.

They’re not getting done, and it’s getting ridiculous.

Posted January 7, 2013 5:38 pm 


TARK

Forgot to sign… That’s my list

Posted January 7, 2013 5:33 pm 


Anonymous

Slater’s list is a good one — I’d love to see:
1. Wladimir Klitschko vs Kubrat Pulev
2. David Price vs David Haye
3. Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury
4. Joe Hanks vs Bryant Jennings
5. Andre Ward vs Andre Dirrell
6. Carl Froch vs Edwin Rodriguez
7. Gennady Golovkin vs Peter Quillin
8. Danny Garcia vs Lucas Matthysse
9. Adrien Broner vs Brandon Rios
10. Kell Brook vs Tim Bradley

Posted January 7, 2013 5:32 pm 


SREDMOND

The sport of boxing needs to stop riding Floyds nuts, EVERY boxer 20 pounds north or south of him is slated as the obvious opponent…He is the premier talent, and the biggest draw in the sport, but that does not mean that EVERY fighter with vocal cords should get a shot or that he should be continually pushed to climb the scale…If the criteria for Greatness was 6 divisions then ONLY Oscar, Pac Man and a couple others maybe would be worthy of respect… Floyd has been dispatching comprably sized fighters for 15 years, HOFers, Champions and ex-Champions his legacy is that of an ATG fighter which is FAR more than most accomplish…

Posted January 7, 2013 5:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Leonard and Hearns did NOT start at 130 pounds and Mayweather has already proved himself in 5 divisions the reason you are comparing him to Leonard, Hearns and Duran is that he is GREAT… Other fighters are terrific for being successful in 1 or 2 weight classes, whereas Mayweather has gone undefeated thru 5 weight classes…. There are not 7fighters in the ENTIRE history of the sport who have competed in that many classes… By this measure we should be expecting Martinez to fight in another 2 or 3 divisions?? AGAIN it will NEVER be enough so whats the point….

Posted January 7, 2013 5:00 pm 


Anonymous

Martinez is not too big for Floyd & he represents the biggest challenge because of his mobility & power. Leonard, Duran & Hearns welcomed those kind of challenges & so should Floyd.

Posted January 7, 2013 4:31 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

Vitali/Haye, Wlad/Povotkin & Price/Pulev make sence @ H/W.

Posted January 7, 2013 4:29 pm 


Anonymous

How about Wilder vs anyone who can remotely fight back??

Posted January 7, 2013 4:12 pm 


Anonymous

FRAUD IS A COMPLETE TOOL!!

Posted January 7, 2013 4:01 pm 


herron.joseph2112@att.net

Didn’t I just put this article out last week?

Boxing will see Donaire/Rigondeaux, Mayweather/Alvarez, Pacquiao/Marquez, Froch/Kessler, and Klitschko/Povetkin this year.
These fights will happen this year.

Martinez/Golovkin, or Rios/Matthysse has absolutely no chance.

Posted January 7, 2013 3:54 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Dream fights for 2013 I woulkd like to happen would be like – Nr.1# Wladimir Klitschko vs. Alexander Povetkin, 2# Bernard Hopkins vs. Beibut Shumenov/Nathan Cleverly, 3# Wladimir Klitschko vs. Chris Arreola/Tomaz Adamek, 4# Andre Ward vs. Arthur Abraham/ Carl Froch II etc. These fights could happen but then again hard to count with.

Posted January 7, 2013 3:41 pm 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

Floyd is too MUCH for Martinez

Posted January 7, 2013 3:22 pm 


Titopa

PEEJ – Martinez was thinking about fighting Ward at a catch-weight, but Ward said he’d rather it be at 168 or not at all. I’d like Martinez to fight him, but 168lbs is pushing it, Martinez is already a small middleweight.

Posted January 7, 2013 3:06 pm 


K.C.

I WILL NEVER PAY A PENNY TO SEE A FLOYD FIGHT! NOT NO…NOT EVER! HE AIN’T GETTING ANY OF MY MONEY VIA PPV!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted January 7, 2013 3:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Angulo/Kirkland is a suspect choice, Angulo did NOT look good in his last bout and Kirkland beat him down pretty damn clearly when they duked it out… I am NOT sure what the point of interest in that bout would be….Klitschko vs Povetkin is going to happen but this is a staledated fight where NO ONE gives Povetkin any chance…He has been beating on OLD men, avoiding the Klits and he almost lost to a Cruiser….

Posted January 7, 2013 2:58 pm 


SREDMOND

SREDMOND below

Posted January 7, 2013 2:54 pm 


Anonymous

This author sounds a bit amateur, SRR did not start his career at 130 pounds… And as talented as Martinez is he is NOT Marvin Hagler or even Bernard Hopkins at MW so a possible win would have to be kept in perspective… Meanwhile the tune will NEVER change, there is always going to be a competitor that Floyd needs to beat in order to get his respect… The Pac Man bout was the natural fight out there and that turned into a disaster that history will have to judge….The flipside of this is how to Martinez prove he is GREAT by trying to best a man that is 2 divisions under his… This childish notion that Martinez is NOT a MW fighter who has been campaining and defending is some nonsense contrived to secure a bout with Floyd Mayweather…Both guys Floyd fought at 154 were NEVER successful MW fighters ODH and Cotto….

Posted January 7, 2013 2:53 pm 


Boxtradamus

Floyd is too MUCH for Martinez

Posted January 7, 2013 2:35 pm 


Mick the Marmalizer

I’d add Canelo/Trout + Mallignaggi vs Alexander/Brook.
On a UK domestic note how about?
Kid Gallahad/Ryan Walsh.
Frankie Gavin/Denton Vassel.
Robbie Turley/Ricky Owen.
Brian Rose/Liam Smith.
George Groves/Kenny Anderson II.
Scott Quigg/Carl Frampton.
Darren Hamilton/Lee McAllister.
& if not Fury/Price then how about Price/Towers?

Posted January 7, 2013 2:18 pm 


PEEJ

Donaire isn’t the best. He is the champ though he should t be but Mares has better claim to having the better resume. Martinez is to big for Floyd. Might as well as Dloyd to fight Ward because we all know Martinez won’t dare to be great as he is always calling out smaller fighters and not fighting the best in his division.

Posted January 7, 2013 2:14 pm 



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