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TARK

JMM didn’t hit Pac to “no avail” in prior fights.. He actually WON more rounds and only lost because of all the knockdowns.. He dinged Pac really good too.. JMM is a dangerous puncher.. The thing he did before the 3rd fight was add a great deal of physical strength, and he sure as Hell rocked Pac with his right in the 3rd match. He landed fewer punches than Pac but did more damage. That’s how he knew if he got more wood on the ball the could take Pac out. In the fourth fight the 1st knockdown JMM scored wasn’t the hardest he could throw … and he knew it. Moving the head doesn’t do it for anyone. You move, roll, or duck your head to get away from punches—not to look pretty moving it when nobody is throwing. If you move it around you’ll get timed. Pac moves his head well anyway, but he was too aggressive. The thing he needed to do was outspeed JMM, pepper him … and pull him out of the weeds where he was waiting with that right hand.

Posted January 16, 2013 12:30 am 


SREDMOND

Roach was DEAD on when going into round 6 he told Manny LOUDLY to “move his head” this after Pac got a KD and had Marquez stiff-legged for over a minute of the round…Pacquiao is gonna be Pacquiao he is 60 bouts into his career, the only thing he should change is simply knowing that JMM can hurt him now which was basically a first…

Posted January 15, 2013 6:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Roach might get somewhat dinged for weak chinned Khan getting too aggressive but Sergio Martinez was ALWAYS gonna be too much for Chavez who is too damn slow and lacked the dynamism and talent of a Martinez… Pacquiao has ALWAYS been swinging for the fences against Marquez and it is one of the reasons JMM lost those fights he was wary of the powershots of Manny Pacquiao… The difference in this fight was the effect Marquez shots had on Pacquiao, because we have seen JMM hit this guy to NO avail MANY times….

Posted January 15, 2013 6:38 pm 


forreal

INSANITY: “…to keep doing things the same way all the time and expect different results”…that’s right folks,it’s pure insanity to have PEDman fight Marquez for a fifth time;can’t teach an old dog new tricks and since PEDman NEVER change styles and Marquez knowing all to well what to expect from PEDman,well,you know what you’re gonna get…a replay of the last one!!

Posted January 15, 2013 5:03 pm 


Al

Roach is scared a B class fighter is gonna KO pacquiao on a tuneup fight LOL

Posted January 15, 2013 2:59 pm 


TARK

Sred…. Before the fight I said it was a BAD idea for Roach and Pacquiao to tell the public and Marquez they wanted a KO, and that it could backfire on them because Marquez is an astute and analytical counterpuncher who benefited more from their prior encounters than Pac, and was obviously landing the harder cleaner shots in their forth fight.. I also noted that Roach was on a losing streak that could be extended into Pac-JMM IV because his corner advice seemed fuzzy and befuddled. I noted he was losing the insights to make proper in-fight adjustments—and that he shouldn’t be apoplectic about Marquez’s gains in size and strength—because he failed to demand contractualized OSDTs … None of that was Monday morning quarterbacking.

Posted January 15, 2013 1:12 pm 


VINMAN

yep

Posted January 15, 2013 10:55 am 


SREDMOND

Why the hell would Pacquiao retire? if the criteria for retiring is a KO loss then he should have retired YEARS ago… Perhaps this is the end for him but that something that deserves to be proved in the ring… A pattern of seriously bad performances or losses to previously lessor opponents is a better gauge than a BAD KO loss to a fellow elite fighter… This is boxing and getting hurt, KOed and cut is part of the business

Posted January 15, 2013 10:44 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, you LOVE to assign a strategy AFTER the fact which is called MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING…Much of this bout was similar to their other contests absent the fact that Marquez was NOT countering as well early as he had in fights 2 and 3, when he first put Manny down it was a step forward looping right hand and not a classic Marquez counter…. The second shot was the PERFECT storm, Pac Man coming in, hands down, Marquez timing him and turning his lights completely OUT… Even Marquez alluded to trying to fight Pac Man intelligently post fight and characterized the shot he got him with as “perfect”… Pac Man had an iron chin and the idea that he was going to be slain in that manner with one shot was foreign… Good on Marquez but acting like this was a given is corny…If it was then send the betting slip!

Posted January 15, 2013 10:39 am 


Anonymous

This article was spot on. Marquez basically ended Pacquiao’s career and Freddie Roach is saying he doesn’t need a tune up fight. Yeah, he doesn’t. He needs to retire.

Posted January 15, 2013 10:36 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, tell me WHATEVER you want but I have seen your act before… The truth be told is that this was FAR from the highest contact encounter that Pac had with Marquez he has been getting punched in the face by this man for YEARS…This time around Marquez had more power in his shots or perhaps Pac Man cannot take the clean shots the way he used to but the moral of the story was he was felled by 2 VERY good shots which was totally uncharacteristic of their prior encounters… I had posted on my FB that Marquez would TKO Pac in 9 rounds, I don’t think that makes me a genius NOR did I forsee a scenario where it would be ONE punch… Manny is ALWAYS aggressive against Marquez so what is new about that? These two have played matador/bull for 3 fights prior.

Posted January 15, 2013 10:27 am 


IfYouDontSeeItIDo

TARK caught on to it almost as fast as Boxtradamus DID. Boxtra called the knockout 2 weeks before the Fight. If YOU didnt SEE it I DID.

Posted January 15, 2013 9:17 am 


mansworld

To me Manny always has his hands down after a flurry its just that a lot of the guys the faced were intimidated by his speed and power a good counter puncher is all that was needed Marquez wrote the script and made the formula Manny is done,

Posted January 14, 2013 10:44 pm 


TARK

I picked up on it almost immediately… I even said, “Marquez is looking for a one punch KO, and he’ll get it the way Pacquiao is coming after him.. He’s sitting on his right.” A lot of people agreed with my analysis. When JMM landed the shot people said, “You called it.” … For people who really know Boxing, you often get a sense of what somebody is thinking just by watching subtle changes in his leads and footwork. He’ll lay back slightly, play possum, or take something off the jab. He’s looking for you to lead carelessly so he can send a big right in like Donaire did against Nishioka.

Posted January 14, 2013 10:04 pm 


bigmike

JMM was the one one PEDS not pacman, so obvious

Posted January 14, 2013 9:17 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Oh yeah, Freddie didn’t pick up on it but you did, GTFOOH…

Posted January 14, 2013 8:44 pm 


TARK

But it makes sense… After 8 years of frustration chasing Pacquiao and trying to get a win, Marquez decided to kick the judges to the curb… Pacquiao already stated repeatedly he was coming for a KO this time … and that was probably the catalyst for Marquez’s plan.

Posted January 14, 2013 8:18 pm 


TARK

Sred… You can’t get your feeble brain around insightful boxing analysis, so don’t strain yourself. Marquez was trying to win rounds in all the other contests. That didn’t work for him in 3 fights—36 rounds—and over 8 years of trying … This time JMM didn’t look for points. He was looking for a one shot KO—or a punch that Pac coudn’t recover from so he could finish him off … Roach didn’t pick up on it.

Someone like Hunter I believe would have.

Posted January 14, 2013 8:06 pm 


TARK

K.C…. You have to look at how many times Pacquiao has been floored in 371 professional rounds. It’s not as big a deal if Marquez gets dropped.. JMM changed up his game plan in their first matchup and started boxing very cautiously in the 2nd round—and pretty much took control. If anyone catches a solid knockdown punch it should raise a similar caution flag. It’s like a cornerback letting a receiver race past him to a rainbow touchdown pass. It can easily happen again so the defensive coordinator gets on it. Marquez was lying in the weeds and it was pretty obvious. He’s a great counterpuncher, so you don’t make it easier for him by getting more reckless. Basically that’s what Pacquaio did.

Posted January 14, 2013 8:02 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Tard wrote: “You don’t know Boxing. Marquez was sitting on his right.. Pac was down twice in 6 rounds—the equivalent to being decked 4 times in 12 rounds”, that makes no sense whatsoever, more Tarkisms.

Posted January 14, 2013 7:44 pm 


JamaltheNi&&er

Seems like Roach was wrong about 90% of the time in 2012 lets hope he improves or he just needs to keep his mouth shut

Posted January 14, 2013 5:59 pm 


K.C.

Tark, there is no such thing as equivalent knock downs in boxing. ZERO truth to such a claim

Posted January 14, 2013 5:47 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, you are SOOOOO full of it Pacquiao took more CLEAN head shots in the second fight thru 6 rounds, the blows he took this time were simply harder and one utterly PERFECT.. You love building your LONG winded theories off the air trapped in your dusty colon… Marquez NEVER hurt Pac thru accumulation or really tagged him in combination it was 2 ONE shot hits that layed him down..Maybe you missed the first 3 fights but we have ALL seen Pacquiao hit PLENTY by Marquez, the only difference was this time he was able to hurt Manny and thus ends the lesson… Spare us your phony analysis

Posted January 14, 2013 5:41 pm 


TARK

Sred…., You don’t know Boxing. Marquez was sitting on his right.. Pac was down twice in 6 rounds—the equivalent to being decked 4 times in 12 rounds.. Pacquiao wasn’t getting hit with an unusual number of punches and was landing well himself—but if a counterpuncher wants to stretch you, you’re not going to see tons of incoming traffic.. He wants you to feel confident and throw so he gets a massive opportunity to ice you.. Joshua Clottey also looked to flatten Pac, but he’s not a good counterpuncher.. Clottey’s a super tough guy who wanted Pac to exhaust himself throwing punches, and then take him out—Roach picked up on it, good for him.. JMM was looking to end things from the bell. You go to plan B when you sense that—and look to salt away rounds while your victim vainly waits for his aha moment … An elite trainer would have cautioned Pac. “He’s trying to murder you with one big right. Box from outside this round and avoid his right.”

Posted January 14, 2013 4:54 pm 


forreal

…PEDman/Marquez 5 more of the same;PEDman coming forward with his 1,2,3;Marquez waiting for oppenings & tagging PEDman with right hands,PEDman gets careless AGAIN(he can’t help it,the nature of his offensive invites carelessness) and…BOOOOM!!

Posted January 14, 2013 4:36 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

“I’m not sure that he fully understands how badly Pacquiao was knocked out by Marquez last month in Manny’s 6th round knockout loss.”… Yeah right Freddie Roach doesn’t understand but you do. Thank you oh wise boxing writer guy for knowing what’s best for Pac over his trainer of over a decade now.

Posted January 14, 2013 4:30 pm 


Juice

RECENTLY???

Posted January 14, 2013 4:20 pm 


SREDMOND

This writer is as blind as a bat, “he should have seen it coming” thats what EVERYONE says after they get caught… Dodging punches from a professional fighter is like dodging bullets, sooner or later everyone gets hit and hopefully its not lethal…Pac Mans ticket got punched he has boxed hundreds of pro rounds, taken thousands of punches before and during bouts..IT was his night to get slugged and he did, as for a longterm demise time will tell…

Posted January 14, 2013 3:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, assessment was WAY off Pacquiao was NOT taking and unusual number of punches from Marquez he actually looked more spry than he had against Mosley and Bradley… Manny Pacquiao became a phenom, legend and record setter by being an aggressive fighter.. Had he tried to fight in another style he would have NEVER been so successful, famous, dangerous, RICH or effective..He has lived by the sword and against Marquez he died by it…. Monday Morning Quarterbacking is weak, Pac made that same move 1000 times and did not pay, this time he did against Marquez who was seemingly hitting harder… It happens in boxing and trying to indemnify guys against losses or KO’s is nonsensical and revisionist…

Posted January 14, 2013 3:27 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Manny is an aggressive fighter by nature. He has done his best work in this style. In his last few performances though he has been lethargic and didn’t look too interested. Against JMM recently, he seemed to have the old fire back, unfortunately he got caught, hey Tark happens…

Posted January 14, 2013 2:10 pm 


Mud

Sorry, but Roach recently sounds like he has lost it…

Posted January 14, 2013 1:24 pm 


Anonymous

Pacquiao only needs a tune up if his confidence is gone, theres no point in him taking a fight before Marquez 5 other than for that reason. All a tune up fight would mean is another hard training camp followed by a possible tough fight before he takes on Marquez again, Pac is slowing down and past his prime and so should get Marquez again and then retire.

Posted January 14, 2013 12:48 pm 


TARK

Roach says…, “Manny was fighting the best fight [against Juan Manuel Marquez] I’ve seen in a long time.”

That’s actually a stupid thing for Roach to say. Pacquiao was landing a lot of shots on Marquez because he was taking foolish chances. He was taking very hard punches himself and you don’t want to swap shots in this game. The idea is to hit without being hit. The 2nd Marquez fight was probably the best he fought as far as giving himself the best chance to win. He stayed real busy without leaving himself wide open. In the first fight Pac was outboxed by a wide margin. In the 3rd fight he was outboxed by a small margin. In the 4th fight both fighters were looking for the kill — and when that happens the best boxer and counterpuncher usually prevails … He needs a tune-up vs a Malignaggi type.

Posted January 14, 2013 11:56 am 



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