Well writher Kessler already did that ones, so that is simply a bad remark end of that, and with Kessler the hole point is he wants a rematch some other place. About Froch I´m not so sure Lucian bute want that rematch after all, and I understand he rather have a rematch with Kessler because of the first one was so close, eventhrough Froch lost it.Posted April 12, 2013 6:32 am
Anyone can win a fight, if he is allowed to headbut his opponents face, I have never seen a fight so unfair, as the Ward vs Kessler fight. Ward was allowed to fight so dirty that a lot of people don’t recognize the fight at all. Now what about this Ward vs Ottke fight? Ward vs Ottke, in Oakland, with Wards uncle as referee, the clash of the titans. Ottke must of course promise not to train, before the fight. Leave it to the big boys to create the excitement in Smw. I predict that Ward goes to Lhw soon, or stops his career, with a zero, on his record. Funny how Ottke and Ward remind me of eachother:)Posted February 2, 2013 8:58 am
What a DUMB comment “any boxer has a punchers chance” against him… ALL boxers have a punchers chance against eachother the right punch can put anyones lights out ask Manny Pacquiao who had been hit by Marquez 1000 times before to no avail but was laid out on the 1001st….Do you REALLY believe that Froch and Kessler cannot be put out?? foolish Allan Green put this man down and even though he can punch (Greene) he is a BADLY flawed fighter… Froch was on his seat against Jermaine Taylor for gods sake what a JOKE… AGAIN the problem for you is that Froch NOR Kessler had Ward in a single moment of jeopardy because he is too damn good.Posted February 1, 2013 11:38 am
MK, “does he have a chin” reality is that he was WAY too skilled to let the two stiff, European style fighters make contact…In boxing ANYONE can get stopped we saw Kessler wilt against Ward…But the name of the game is hit and don’t get hit… Ward has mastered that…He outboxed BOTH menPosted February 1, 2013 10:52 am
MK, if Ward “is an amateur” then what does that make Froch and Kessler for LOSING to an “Amateur style fighter” it makes them BUMS by your definition… Kessler was stopped and Froch dominated by an Amateur?? LMAO What a scathing indictment of the skills possessed by Froch and Kessler….NEITHER guy would dare call Ward an amateur and BOTH guys discussed how hard it was to fight him and pondered retirement…. Your thoughts are NOT even credible in regards to the Ring Champion and Super 6 winner… You should be able to best an amateur wherever you fight, what was BUTE who got knocked out by Froch?? a beginner?Posted February 1, 2013 10:49 am
One Inch Punch, Ward having a broken hand was NOT an excuse what is showed is that even with a compromised physicality Carl Froch could not accomplish a DAMN thing..If Ward had LOST with a bad hand I would have said that he LOST case closed… BUT its an indicator of his dominance that he was still able to win going away in that condition…Moving on to “excuses” the idea that Froch would have defeated Ward or that Kessler would have if they fought on home turf is WEAK…..As for Joe beating a washed up fighter who cares? he is not appropriated much credit for Roy Jones because Jones was a SPENT force… Larry Holmes is not given much credit for beating that shot representation of Ali, meanwhile Ali was NOT as old as RJJ nor had he absorbed two HARD KO’s the way that Jones had…. Joe beat Hops but he had to eke it out against a 43 year old version…Posted February 1, 2013 10:46 am
Don’t get me wrong, Ward is a fine amateur style fighter, any boxer has a punchers chance against him, due to his lack of punch, as seen with his clear-cut KO problem, in the Boone fight. Does he have a chin? we don’t know, because the referees let him hold and jab. 5 Pacman vs Marques fights, and more coming, but the sleeping pill, is above rematches. Who is he going to fight then, maybe he will pull Sven Ottke out of retirement, and call it the clash of the titans:)Posted February 1, 2013 10:40 am
“I don’t see Ward having any chance against Froch or Kessler” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That sounds like a BAD “knock knock” joke… NEITHER guy has become a BETTER fighter whereas Ward has, he has starting bringing up his power game ask Dawson… Reality is that I would doubt Froch or Kessler would last 12 rounds with him, ooooops we already saw that Kessler could NOT!Posted January 31, 2013 12:26 pm
SREDMOND – you might understand this then… watch the fight again with RRJ V Joe C…. He laughs at him during the fight and tries to showboat (which he can’t do)… that is taking the piss. Look i will say this again…. THAY WERE JUST ££££ fights so please why have you stated… “it is REALLY SAD to try and hang Joe’s legacy on the Hopkins and RJJ fights because frankly he was NOT impressive in either bout”… Nor where the two guys he Beat!!!! as i have stated at least four time they were just ££££ fights and in my mind joke fight. SO DO NOT STATE COMMENTS OR STATEMENT FROM ME THAT I HAVE NOT COMMETIED TO RIGTHING….. If i have please direct me to the post in which i have done so…. you can’t as i have not…. the words fantasy come to mind. be that as it may… Joes record is what it is and again i will tarnish Joe with the same paint brush Ward is getting his first coat with…. Stay-at-home Dulux Paint. PS for the record Joe C fought on a number of occasions with a broken hand…. these are not excuses i brought UP… you have in your defence of Ward? I take my hat off to Bute for traveling just like i do for Froch & Kessler…. aging this is something Joe did not do until the end of his career and wanted £££££ and as yet Ward is refusing to do. in your defence of Ward and trying to justify his supposed greatness your argument becomes silly where you fabricate comments associated to my post. good luck with your hero worshiping!! peace. PS JUST IN CASE I YOU HAVE NOT GOT IT YET I AM NOT A JOE C FAN.Posted January 31, 2013 11:39 am
The important thing to notice, is that Ward, is only mentioned, in relation to the upcoming Froch vs Kessler 2 fight, in fact he has to go to the media himself, with strange claims. Froch vs Kessler 2 is the main Smw event next year. I don’t see the featherduster having any chance against either Kessler or Froch, the next time. People are on to the dirty tactics. He does have fine ring intelligence and speed, but so does Bute.Posted January 31, 2013 11:30 am
Froch is rematching for the LOWLY IBF belt when the REAL power of the SMW division lies with Andre Ward, he has the Ring Belt, WBA and WBC belts and is the Super 6 winner… Froch needed that win over Bute to preserve his career which by his own admission was in jeopardy after losing to Ward (he openly discussed retirement).. The truth is that Froch is NOT a very talented fighter but he is determined… Against top foes he seems to either lose or eke out a win ie Dirrell, Kessler and of course his loss to Ward… Even the lowly Jermaine Taylor had him in a bad position when they fought before Froch dug himself out of the hole in round 12….He lacks the boxing IQ to effectively compete with Ward and the gap in class has been shown…Posted January 31, 2013 11:22 am
LOL Rask, how can you win a debate that is based on you trying to prop up LOSING fighters?? When is Froch going to face Bute in Canada? He is slated to fight Kessler and he has NOT even won that bout yet?? Fight at home, Fight away the PROBLEM for you is that you need to win and the fighters you are lusting after BOTH have LOSSES at the hands of Andre Ward…AGAIN you never address the COLD reality of Kessler fighting at home for the first 35 bouts of his career absent a pathetic 6 or 8 rounder against a NOBODY…I know you feel HOLLOW inside because all this chatter has not moved up Froch or Kessler in the rankings NOR gotten either man on the P4P list both are very good fighters and the winner of their fight is a worthy subordinate and lap dog for the SMW King Andre Ward.. :)Posted January 31, 2013 11:08 am
As for Benn breaking McClellans brain why would I create a NEW result when it would have been the SAME 2 fighters in a boxing ring engaging in the SAME sport?? AGAIN these are excuses and speculating about definitive results makes NO sense to me..The reason we have videotape is to document WHAT happened the reason we have movies based on fiction is to indulge in FANTASY which is what any discussion of Kessler beating Froch is….Posted January 31, 2013 11:03 am
This thread is over. If Ward was a nobody with zero negotiation power prior to the Super 6, why would Showtimes dictate that he get all of the home country advantage? I’ll tell you: they were desperate to create the next American marquee fighter and did not want to risk Ward doing a Lacy, Mclellan or Bute. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if Ward had done (according to your own logic Kessler vs Calzaghe) as the challenger and gone to Denmark or England when he challenged more established and 2 time champions Kessler and Froch. But Showtimes stacked things in his favor. And Froch is GOING TO CANADA for the rematch with Bute. Gee, what a concept!
I am done with this thread / winner by UD over SRedmond in debate ……RASKOLNIKOV!!!Posted January 31, 2013 10:55 am
MK, you really kill me trying to sell Europe as the home of “Fair Boxing” we watched Sturm vs Macklin in that highly controversial bout… We see HW Champion Wlad Klitschko HOLDING like crazy and draping his 250 pound frame ALL over his smaller opponents AGAIN you are not generating excuses fast enough to compensate for the losses that Kessler and Froch have booked and will book AGAIN if they face Ward… The English judge was even MORE pro Ward, he was the ONLY guy to see the bout clearly….Posted January 31, 2013 10:52 am
Rask, NOW you want to use Kessler amateur background as ANOTHER excuse to downplay the gap in experience he had over Ward as an upper level fighter?? I mean c’mon Ward’s Olympic experience helped mold him but his learning curve was moved along by fighting professionally… Kessler was competing with guys like Calzaghe and you want to pretend he was NOT WAYYYYYY more experienced than Andre Ward? Again this is simply disingenuous on your part ALL fighters have 6-8 rounders early on welcome to boxing but Kessler was perfectly seasoned to beat a GREEN fighter like Ward EXCEPT he was not on his level…Posted January 31, 2013 10:47 am
Rask, Lacy does NOT remotely fuel ANYTHING unless Ward, Froch and Kessler participate in a different sport where Kessler and Froch are MORE proficient then the results will be the SAME…Lacy was dominated from start to finish and Calzaghe would have done some version of that in the US or not I don’t peg Joes performance to the venue because the gap in class was so WIDE that trying to use that as an excuse is WEAK… Same for Ward vs Froch and Kessler BOTH were easily handled and dominated….The ONLY guys to benefit from the hometown scenario were Froch and Kessler who BOTH got debateble wins in their own backyards…. Froch vs Dirrell and Kessler over Froch… No ONE intelligently debates Ward defeated BOTH fighters this focus on venue is the construct of BUTTHURT fans of these two guys…Posted January 31, 2013 10:43 am
One Inch Punch, your last post was incoherent to be honest it does NOT make any sense?? If you want to clarify I will be HAPPY tor respond… SheeshPosted January 31, 2013 10:26 am
SREDMOND – please read my posts again…. as now you are making thing-up and coming up with excusses in defending your hero Ward… The word Joke fights & £££££ fight are in no way, as you stated ” hang Joes legacy on the Hopkins and RJJ fights because frankly he was NOT impressive in either bout”… nor were the two guys joke beat. please debat with out making things up and throwing in excusses like a woman.Posted January 31, 2013 7:17 am
SREDMOND – watch the fight again with RRJ V Joe C…. He laughs at him during the fight and tries to showboat (which he can’t do)… that is taking the piss. Look i will say this again…. THAY WERE JUST ££££ fights so please why have you stated… “it is REALLY SAD to try and hang Joe’s legacy on the Hopkins and RJJ fights because frankly he was NOT impressive in either bout”… Nor where the two guys he Beat!!!! as i have stated at least four time they were just ££££ fights and in my mind joke fight. SO DO NOT STATE COMMENTS OR STATEMENT FROM ME THAT I HAVE NOT COMMETIED TO RIGTHING….. If i have please direct me to the post in which i have done so…. you can’t as i have not…. the words fantasy come to mind. be that as it may… Joes record is what it is and again i will tarnish Joe with the same paint brush Ward is getting his first coat with…. Stay-at-home Dulux Paint. PS for the record Joe C fought on a number of occasions with a broken hand…. these are not excuses i brought UP… you have in your defence of Ward? I take my hat off to Bute for traveling just like i do for Froch & Kessler…. aging this is something Joe did not do until the end of his career and wanted £££££ and as yet Ward is refusing to do. in your defence of Ward and trying to justify his supposed greatness your argument becomes silly where you fabricate comments associated to my post. good luck with your hero worshiping!! peace. PS JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT GOT IT YET I AM NOT A JOE C FAN.Posted January 31, 2013 6:54 am
I should add Bute to the Lacy, McClellan point. Interestingly, Froch is reported to be giving Bute a rematch – and possibly in Canada…
Ward is plain scared to travel & it is clear to see why.Posted January 31, 2013 6:28 am
SREDMOND – watch the fight again with RRJ V Joe C…. He laughs at him during the fight and tries to showboat (which he can’t do)… that is taking the piss. Look i will say this again…. THAY WERE JUST ££££ fights so please why have you stated… “it is REALLY SAD to try and hang Joe’s legacy on the Hopkins and RJJ fights because frankly he was NOT impressive in either bout”… Nor where the two guys he Beat!!!! as i have stated at least four time they were just ££££ fights and in my mind joke fight. SO DO NOT STATE COMMENTS OR STATEMENT FROM ME THAT I HAVE NOT COMMETIED TO RIGTHING….. If i have please direct me to the post in which i have done so…. you can’t as i have not…. the words fantasy come to mind. be that as it may… Joes record is what it is and again i will tarnish Joe with the same paint brush Ward is getting his first coat with…. Stay-at-home Dulux Paint. PS for the record Joe C fought on a number of occasions with a broken hand…. these are not excuses i brought UP… you have in your defence of Ward? I take my hat off to Bute for traveling just like i do for Froch & Kessler…. aging this is something Joe did not do until the end of his career and wanted £££££ and as yet Ward is refusing to do. in your defence of Ward and trying to justify his supposed greatness your argument becomes silly where you fabricate comments associated to my post. good luck with your hero worshiping!! peace. PS JUST IN CASE I YOU HAVE NOT GOT IT YET I AM NOT A JOE C FAN.Posted January 31, 2013 6:09 am
Raskolnikov: Sauerland said some time ago that Kesslers last home fight (Herning isn’t his home, Copenhagen is?) was Magee. Ward will never come to Europe, due to the things you mention, about Calzaghes carreer ( I am no Calzaghe fan). Letting a fight go on, after 5 headbutts and extensive holding, could never take place in Europe. Kessler will probably go to America (not Oakland) to fight Ward, if he gets past Froch, which is very difficult to say anything about.Posted January 31, 2013 5:28 am
Kessler did not have an extensive amateur background so many of his early fights were learning fights vs not very competitive limited opposition – what was he supposed to do travel the world fighting stiffs in 6 and 8 rounders? I doubt that is even financially feasable to do. He more than made up for it by having 4 world title fights in 4 different countries – including his very 1st WBA defense in Australia vs mundine. That is about as far away from Denmark as you can get.
Props to him for having the sack to go into the other guy’s den. I doubt Ward will ever leave the US.Posted January 30, 2013 8:41 pm
Yes, Ward is #1, but you continue to ignore or downplay the fact that in the supposed world international super six tournament – every fighter who fought on his home soil won and ward got to fight ALL his fights in the US. As you even admit – by Showtimes design. You know what fuels this argument of course? The ghosts of Lacy and McClellan – destroyers and the next great thing while fighting in the US, but as soon as they went overseas…
Do you think fighting with a BAD hand is an advantage and if so explain that? how about having less than HALF your opponents experience?? NONE of it mattered because even you KNOW that Ward is twice the fighter that either Kessler or Froch is… I like both guys for their attributes but neither man is an elite fighter, Andre Ward is HENCE his SOLID P4P ranking which he keeps building on… I will be watching Kessler and Froch fight for second best also it should be fun!! Because we KNOW who the top dog is!Posted January 30, 2013 7:38 pm
Froch just beat Bute in HIS (Froch’s) backyard should we make excuses about that result??? And if Kessler had beaten a fighter with then limited experience (Ward) in his backyard (Denmark) would we then invalidate the result because Kessler was fighting at home like he has for MOST of his 48 fight career???? AGAIN you fail to address the reality that Kessler travelled ONE time in his first 35 bouts and that was to fight a 6 rounder…. Ward did what Showtime mandated and face it Kessler was NOT good enough to win the fight…Posted January 30, 2013 7:35 pm
Rask, Ward was NOT even a powerbroker in boxing so how could he dictate where the fight was??? The ONLY reason you are upset is because HE (Kessler) lost the damn fight??? Both Froch and Kessler were beneficiaries of some questionable close decisions AT HOME during the Super 6 ie Froch vs Dirrell, and Kessler vs Froch… Ward was a kid with 20 fights who dominated Kessler, he did not need hometown judges nor a razor thin margin to win…. AGAIN I am just stating the facts you guys have been hiding behind this travelling excuse when BOTH Kessler and Froch showed 0 ability to compete as did Chad Dawson….The whole thrust of your campaign is to somehow dig Kessler and Froch out of the hole Ward put them in and sadly for YOU its not going to happen…Posted January 30, 2013 7:32 pm
Dariusz was and is a NOBODY in the annals of boxing history while RJJ had pretty much EVERY single belt at LHW known to man, had defeated prime Toney and Hopkins and eventually went to HW becoming a 4 division Champion NO ONE even mentions Michaelewski who chose to play in the SMALL pond and avoid the big fish… Jones had all the exposure, money, fame and cache he would have been a fool to travel to Europe to face a relative nobody who is only known to hardcore fans…As for the “deck being stacked” MOST thought that Ward got a RAW deal by drawing Kessler who was favored to win FIRST…Froch had a GREAT opportunity to defeat Ward who fought him in NJ as opposed to Oakland and he did it with a BAD hand…If you cannot defeat a man with a bad hand then how much more of an advantage do you need??Posted January 30, 2013 6:30 pm
To quote you “(Kessler) should have gone and faced Calzaghe because Calzaghe was the Champ….” Um, doesn’t that mean that Ward should have gone to Denmark to fight Kessler when Ward was the Challenger and kessler was the champ? You know at least ONE friggin fight in the Super 6 outside of the US? Or maybe he should have gone to England when he challenged Froch for Froch’s WBC title and Froch was a 2 time champ while ward was then just a a one time champ. NOPE, guess not- all advantages handed to Ward… It’s you who is the Ward nut-hugger with a blatant bias ding-dong…
Yeah, my opinion only counts as a consumer and how I spend my money – I’ll pay to watch Kessler and Froch put on an exciting fight, won’t pay a dime to watch Ward.Posted January 30, 2013 6:27 pm
How was Ward in his “comfort zone” fighting a guy with one hand in Froch?? AHHHHH he was in his comfort zone because his comfort zone is a boxing ring… While Calzaghe was beating 40 year old corpses like Roy Jones, Ward was dusting a fresh fighter like Dawson who has FAST hands and is athletic…Even Dawson conceded “Ward is Great” and he was “Faster than I thought” Dawson was hitting the canvas and it was a dominant performance not Kessler beating a BADLY flawed fighter like Allan Greene and getting put down in the process…Posted January 30, 2013 6:26 pm
Admit it – you must be Ward’s relative or something… yes, he’s the best out there, but I give more respect to someone like Kessler who while and undefeated WBA/WBC champ and superstar in Scandanavia, went to Wales to fight JC who was coming off of a 12 destruction of the last 168 US wonder kid, lacy. That took balls for him to do that. Admit it.
Ward is like RJJ – his ego & groupies like you tell him he doesn’t have to do this or that.
It’s like when Jones would dance with the Rocketts before a fight to show how great he was. Or play a basketball game before a fight to show how great he was. He’d do anything EXCEPT get on a plane and fly over the ocean to fight then undefeated WBA,WBO,IBF champ Darius Michelsewski. Nowadays, his big pre-fight stunt is tying his own shoes….
Ward is heading down that road. He’s very good, but gets less respect because of the “entitled” mindset. He’ll get more respect when he steps out of his comfort zone and proves himself on the road.
Explain if you can, how exactly he got to have all of his Super 6 fights on home turf when others were all established champs yet they had to travel? My guess? The deck was stacked in his favor because an American network sponsored the whole thing and they wanted to help establish the next marquee fighter for the US market. Just a hypothesis.Posted January 30, 2013 4:52 pm
Raskol, Ward does NOT “Need” to do anything EXCEPT keep winning! Froch and Kesslers are the challengers and if Froch wants to do anything other than run around with that IBF belt he got from BUTE then he needs to get in the ring with Ward and WIN…. At what point in his career Tyson start “travelling” I will tell you when it was in his 38th pro contest when he fought an American fighter in Tokyo so whatever notion you are trying sell is debunked…. Ward is 26 fights into his career and ONLY 20 in when he clipped Kessler, your excuses are dying on the vine… Kessler was a HOMETOWN fighter absent a 6 rounder against a no hoper during his first 35 fights…. FACTSPosted January 30, 2013 1:24 pm
MK, if Kessler ONLY faced 2 good fighters since Calzaghe then why the big deal about him beating Allan Green who I KNOW you don’t include in that group??? How many “good fighters” had Ward fought when he faced Kessler?? Edison Miranda was probably the best name on his docket thats why no one gave him a chance against Kessler who had faced an undefeated SMW Champion who had around 20 defenses, he had also faced earlier versions of Mundine, Beyer and the tough ass Andrade…AGAIN you are making excuses, Kessler got Ward when he was GREEN and Ward treated him like a stepping stone… Its like when a YOUNG Mayweather dusted Genaro HernandezPosted January 30, 2013 1:19 pm
What a broken record this thread is… bottom line, if true ATGs like Ali and Tyson can take the show on the road and fight overseas, then someone like Ward with zero comparable marketability shouldn’t be too proud to do so. I am not a boxer, but I have travelled to other countries to do my work, and everything is at least a bit (or a lot) more difficult to accomplish. I imagine boxing is no different. Ward was treated like a spoilt child when he got ALL Super 6 fights in his home country & he now needs to man up and fight the Froch-Kessler winner in their country.Posted January 30, 2013 1:10 pm
Problem for you guys is that Ward ALREADY soundly defeated the guys you were begging him to travel to fight.. He got his belts during the Super 6 and did not enter the tourney as the favorite OR the Champion… Kessler had the belt which Ward took off his waist when he ONLY had 21 fights AGAIN Kessler ONLY travelled once and fought a no name fighter during his first 35 fights… Ward has dispatched the BEST before he even has 30 professional contests on the books Roy Jones and Hopkins did NOT need to travel to face a then no name fighter like Calzaghe who did NOT get on the US radar till he beat a US fighter (Lacy) in his own backyard… And when Joe C decided he wanted more acclaim and money he came to the US and fought a couple of aging stars BOTH of whom were already HOFers and the fighter of the Decade (40 year olds)Posted January 30, 2013 12:37 pm
Roy Jones was taken down as a boxer by Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson who knocked him cold back to back trying elevate Calzaghe based on beating an over the hill washed up fighter says ALOT about what you really think of his resume and overall skill set, this same Jones could not even get a bloated Trinidad out of the ring after Tito had been off for 2 or more years…Calzaghe was NOT impressive against Hopkins who he ONLY got an S/D against and hit the floor in the process, Bernard was unmarked at the end of the contest…Joe got the win but it was HARDLY epic and he NEVER wanted to get in the ring instead opting for Jones who was a spent force at the upper level of the sport…..Posted January 30, 2013 12:32 pm
One Inch Punch, it is REALLY SAD to try and hang Joes legacy on the Hopkins and RJJ fights because frankly he was NOT impressive in either bout…. Roy Jones “had the piss taken out of him” by Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson, he was a WASHED up 40 year old fighter and EVERYONE knew it prior to the bout… As for Hopkins, Joe got a SLOPPY S/D he looked WORSE after the bout that Bernard some people actually think Hops deserved the win (not me) but to pretend that Calzaghe worked him over with those slapping punches is a JOKE he was the guy who hit the deck last time I looked at that fight?? Joe made mince meat out of Lacy in a dominant performance which is one of his signature fights but Lacy is not going to be remembered as some sort of terrific opponent, Kessler was and is better….Posted January 30, 2013 11:54 am
OneInchPunch: I tend to agree with your point that Kessler has only faced two good fighter, since the Calzaghe loss, where he did come up with 3 iron hard uppercuts, which Joe took, and Kessler landed many other heavy punches, but clearly Calzaghe won the fight securely, he was the best Smw. Now this lack of world class opposition, is a thing that worries me, coming into the Froch fight. Kessler met Ward and Froch after Calzaghe. We have to put Ward in as a good fighter, due to his ring intelligence.Posted January 30, 2013 6:52 am
SREDMOND – please read my post again… your assertions are in correct and your arguments are floored… for one Joe is only three years younger than RRJ, two I never said Joe was a big hitter… more like his work rate & movement and his plan B was his biggest assets. Moreover RRJ only too his sorry ass on the road now he is just a side show… and B’hop… well you could say Canada is abroad. And you use this argument to condemn others, to which Ward fits in to this club on “I don’t want to travel”. The thing is I am not a Joe C fan so I think I look at it objectively…. I am confident enough to say you are a Ward fan and as such have a bias view/opinion regarding him…,. So yes it is a sill argument… it’s like trying to tell Hitler people of other Creeds & colours are equal.Posted January 30, 2013 6:47 am
“Your thesis on Calzaghe vs Ward is not really built on much because Joe is NOT the biggest puncher that SOG has faced”. i did not say Joe was the biggerst puncher. Please read my post again… the words… movment & work rate are what i think i mentiond. i didn’t i say Kessler was done?? go look at his record and my statement regarding this … just i don’t think he had a meaningful fight until he had Froch in front of him so he could hit someone… in front of him being the operative word. now as for Ward he never really got tagged by either Froch or Kessler… hard punchers that they are the words slow & and upright come to mind, don’t get me wrong i like both of em but they are what they are. Joe never had one punch power he over whelmed fighters…. like he took the piss out of RRJ, B’hop & Lacy…. the words hitting at will come to mind. As for siting Miranda….. the ghost exposed him at MW and what has he done since then?? the words gate keeper comes to mind. i WILL SAY THIS AGAING I AM NOT A JOE C FAN. Joe was of the same era as RRJ & B’Hop…. by the way Joe is only three years younger than RRJ… so waiting for them to get old isn’t and argument!! If Jesus (SOG) is so great then he should travel…. i have far greater respect for Froch & Kesser who travelled as Champions than i do for Joe C or Wards. RRJ never travelled and B’hop agreed to fight Joe in the UK and pulled out…. But the point is when did they travel?? RRJ is now dragging his sorry (_!_) around the world now he’s a side show, so aging that point is a poor argument. Anyway that has always been a criticism I have of Joe… if you read my previous post you will see that is the case. Again my view is Joe would have been a fighter i do not think ward would have been able to figure out…. out punch or out work. PS Dawson fight in my mind was a forgone conclusion… and I was correct regarding the weight and outcome… but Dawson agreed to it. PS since Ward stepped up to Championship level against Henry Buchanan he has not KO anyone… Kessler he out boxed & head-butted to a TKO and well Dawson came down in weight and the quit on his stall…. So ward could not even KO a weight and opponent… so if you want to look at Joe C power and criticise it… you should look at Wards with the same view!!Posted January 30, 2013 6:36 am
SREDMOND – i didn’t i say Kessler was done?? go look at his record and my statement regarding this … just i don’t think he had a meaningful fight until he had Froch in front of him so he could hit someone… in front of him being the operative word. now as for Ward he never really got tagged by either Froch or Kessler… hard punchers that they are the words slow & and upright come to mind, don’t get me wrong i like both of em but they are what they are. Joe never had one punch power he over whelmed fighters…. like he took the piss out of RRJ, B’hop & Lacy…. the words hitting at will come to mind. As for siting Miranda….. the ghost exposed him at MW and what has he done since then?? the words gate keeper comes to mind. i WILL SAY THIS AGAING I AM NOT A JOE C FAN. Joe was of the same era as RRJ & B’Hop…. by the way Joe is only three years younger than RRJ… so waiting for them to get old isn’t and argument!! If Jesus (SOG) is so great then he should travel…. i have far greater respect for Froch & Kesser who travelled as Champions than i do for Joe C or Wards. RRJ never travelled and B’hop agreed to fight Joe in the UK and pulled out…. But the point is when did they travel?? RRJ is now dragging his sorry (_!_) around the world now he’s a side show, so aging that point is a poor argument. Anyway that has always been a criticism I have of Joe… if you read my previous post you will see that is the case. Again my view is Joe would have been a fighter i do not think ward would have been able to figure out…. out punch or out work. PS Dawson fight in my mind was a forgone conclusion… and I was correct regarding the weight and outcome… but Dawson agreed to it. PS since Ward stepped up to Championship level against Henry Buchanan he has not KO anyone… Kessler he out boxed & head-butted to a TKO and well Dawson came down in weight and the quit on his stall…. So ward could not even KO a weight and opponent… so if you want to look at Joe C power and criticise it… you should look at Wards with the same view!!Posted January 30, 2013 6:32 am
I don’t even begin to consider Joe and Ward in the same league with this silly travelling discussion… Calzaghe did NOT fight in the US till the absolute end of a 46 fight career… Ward is ONLY 26 bouts into his career… Joe had what 20 defenses???? and he was NOT coming to face the best comp in the US… Ward is just getting going and building his legend he has ALREADY faced the top guys in his division and did it while they were prime… NOT sitting around in Wales or England waiting for Jones, Hops and others to get old… Calzaghe has to be respected for his accomplishments but lets get honest Ward has come of of the gate eliminating the relevant comp and beat the BEST LHW around in one sided fashion TKO forced QUIT job….Posted January 29, 2013 3:40 pm
We do disagree you are correct on that and Joe Calzaghe was simply NOT stopping anyone during the latter part of his career… In his last 8 fights the ONLY guy Calzaghe stopped was a C level fighter (Peter Manfredo) and that stoppage was questionable because Joe was slapping away and Manfredo did NOT even appear to be hurt…Joe could not even get RJJ off his feet so what are we talking about?? Ward has been in the ring with Froch, Kessler and Miranda all guys that can hit and NONE of them put him down.. Kessler may have been undefeated when he fought Joe but he was ALSO WAYYY more experienced than Ward who ran him over like a MACK truck and was slated to LOSEEE… Your thesis on Calzaghe vs Ward is not really built on much because Joe is NOT the biggest puncher that SOG has faced….Posted January 29, 2013 1:29 pm
SREDMOND – I do have to disagree with you… personally I think Joe would have beaten Ward, his work rate & movement would have been too good for Ward. I’d even go as far to say he might have even stopped him (you will probably disagree). personally I do not think Ward would be able to handle him. For me Kessler has had only one good performance since he faced Joe… and that was against Froch…who isn’t hard to find in the ring. I previously stated “Joes last two jokes… I mean fights”. so I do not think anything can be taken from them as they were just ££££££ fights. Anyway… we will never know as they are both from different times with only one common opponent… Kessler. who was undefeated when he faced Joe and in my mind only won two to three rounds at most. He did land two wicked right hands which Joe sucked up and gave back…. Ward’s chin has yet to be tested in my mind!! Joe had very good chin and when tagged never really looked in trouble… with the exception of Mitchell. I’m not a fan of Joe but I feel you have to give credit where it is due…. they both have one thing in common though…. they both don’t like to travel.Posted January 29, 2013 11:23 am
Assyrian God, has the benefit of Joes retirement to indulge in fantasy about how deadly he was and who he would have stopped… Joe could not stop or even put down OLD versions of Hopkins and a beyond totally shot Roy Jones Jr.. The best guy he beat was an undefeated Kessler who lost a UD but was definitely in the fight… Andre Ward has been making his name against guys who are experienced, peaked and NOT even close to old… Joes version of fighting at LHW AGAIN included Roy Jones Jr, Ward laid waste to Chad Dawson who has been one of the premier LHW’s for years owning a very sound win over Tomas Adamek… I have to respect Joe retiring undefeated and his record but he showed NOTHING that suggests that he would stop Ward…If he won a slap fest via S/D it would be a MAJOR victory for him and honestly thats a stretch…Posted January 29, 2013 10:40 am
The Truth – Evans Ashira (small MW) Richie Woodhall were effectively MW…. for me Joe was the best SMW of his era but was a poor champion who cherry picked his fights and was told by FW and his dad who he would fight. As such he never fulfilled his true potential. prime example was his last two jokes… i mean fights. But I do agree with you… I just hope we never get another era with two fighters like Joe & Sven Ottka…. Thank god of fighters like Froch & Kessler. Ward should take notePosted January 29, 2013 5:54 am
The only reason Froch and Kessler signed for the Super Six was because Dirrell had 18 fights and Ward had 20 fights.. What a setup for the Europeans.. People were saying Ward couldn’t punch, had no chin, all kinds of ignorant stuff.. Kessler was highly favored over Ward because of the experience gap.. People said Ward beat Kessler by butting him but Ward won every round by boxing Kessler’s face off and not taking any significant punches in return.. He used his head, but AW didn’t need head-butts, because with 20 fights experience, and Virgil Hunter for a head trainer, he had 10 X the boxing finesse Kessler had … The fix was in for The Ward-Froch fight.. If Froch won even 4 rounds of that fight they would have given him the decision, but he only won 2..
I really LMFAO when I heard the scores… This sport can be so damned funny.Posted January 28, 2013 10:37 pm
The reality is that money is a non issue in this regard Ward is being groomed by the cable networks that realize they might have a commodity in him that will be around for the next 7 years at elite level… Mayweather was NOT doing 1 mill plus PPV’s when he was 26 fights into his career and neither was Pacquiao… Ward would be a FOOL to let go of the cache he created by stopping a fighter of Dawsons caliber on cable… Eventually the Broners, and Wards are going to be the economic engines of the sport if the KEEP winning… Kessler and Froch are going to be talking about stadium money and ticket sales until they retire because they will NEVER be PPV sensations… Like I said in his first 35 fights Kessler fought ONCE outside of his homeland and he NEVER attained Wards stature… Its Wards time and when the doors have opened ie Super 6, ie fighting Kesser, Froch and Dawson he barged thru and made his mark…We are on the eve of GreatnessPosted January 28, 2013 7:19 pm
I am sure they are. Both had a rough time when they ran into Andre Ward.Posted January 28, 2013 6:43 pm
I say let Froch or Kessler be made Wards mandatory (which won`t happen unless they chase the title Bika is being handed), and then we go to purse bids to see where a Ward fight will be made. I don`t think Ward has as much money behind him as his talent and position suggest he should have.Posted January 28, 2013 5:44 pm
Ward beats Froch and Kessler wether its in Oakland, Nottingham, Copenhagen, or Froch’s dining room. END OF!!! Im a big froch fan, but im also a realist. That being said, im one of the people who beleives in World champs fighting all over the world alah Tyson, Ali etc etc. Im a frequent visitor to york hall, and i love to see world class fights/fighters in the flesh. And ofcourse i would like to see Ward fight in the same room as me too. So yeh, id like to see Ward vs Froch in the UK too.Posted January 28, 2013 12:27 pm
These guys need to realize that they are going to have to beat Ward in a boxing ring and stop trying to win a PR campaign its not going to work both were dominated and we have video to back this up… One of the WORST aspects of modern boxing is EXCUSES its a deplorable practice… These are TOP fighters they know who they are fighting well in advance, they know where they are fighting, they know the weight they will have to make and the gloves that will be worn…If you cannot get the proper result come fight night there is NOTHING to be said and accepting you loss like a man is all that can be done… I give Pac Man credit for accepting his crushing defeat with dignity and congratulating his opponent…Posted January 28, 2013 12:21 pm
Who says that Froch even gets by Kessler and when these two are finished beating eachother up, either man will bring whatever is left of themselves to the ring and get defeated by Ward… Excuses, Excuses no one is going to Denmark of England to become huge in boxing… Guys who wanna become HUGE come here, Hatton, Lewis, Khan, Pacquiao… This is reality and subordinates like Froch and Kessler are not going to change it by whining about the glory of fighting in Copenhagen of all places the goal should be Las Vegas where ALL the richest fights take place.Posted January 28, 2013 12:11 pm
Kessler and Froch are NOT the true Champs at 168 and their names have been buried under the name Andre Ward, you cannot be taken seriously as a fan of the SMW division if you don’t know Ward who is being showcased on Showtime and HBO as a commentator and who’s trainer is one of the MOST sought after in the sport due to his work with Ward… Kessler is known to ONLY hardcore fans if you think that Denmark is the hot spot for boxing you need your head examined….Both men are top level fighters Froch and Kessler but they are “also rans” when stacked against Ward… There is not a rating agency on the planet that has them over Ward at SMW and a look at their records shows them LOSING to him….Posted January 28, 2013 12:07 pm
This is bull by Ward. Kessler and Froch were already names before they fought Ward. They are in no way using his ‘name’ for anything other than to say that is thier future aim, to avenge that loss. Kessler\Froch rematch had been talked about long before Ward rematches had and Froch does have a rematch clause with Bute if they activate it so naturally these 2 fights are next. Also fits into Frochs ‘unwritten’ 3 match plan to fight Ward then retire imoPosted January 28, 2013 11:37 am
If Kessler OR Froch is truly interested in fighting and beating the P4P #2 or #3 in the World, WBA, WBC, and RING Magazine Champion Andre Ward then they will come fight on his terms… BOTH men have defeats on their record to this fighter and are simply in NO position to dictate ANYTHING…. Nowhere in the sport is a Champ on that level letting prior victims set terms… If the winner of this bout is REALLY serious about avenging their loss, they will STFU, train and then come ready to KO Ward because there is not a shot in hell either guy is going to outbox him….Absent that they will have to stew in their juices and let those unavenged losses rot on their resumes ALWAYS being second or 3rd best in the sport… Kessler should be ashamed letting a guy with 20 fights abuse him that way, and Froch let a man with a bad hand easily handle him…. These dudes have more mouth than they have pride…. Froch was discussing retirement…Posted January 28, 2013 10:51 am
Froch is TOUGHER than he is talented and that has served him against lessor fighters but he will ALWAYS lose badly and perhaps absorb a stoppage loss if he gets in the ring with Ward again… Lets be honest he BARELY got buy Dirrell and Kessler and he was actually LOSING to a BADLY flawed fighter like Taylor who had him on the deck before he rallied to stop Taylor in round 12…. Andre Ward does not struggle with the BEST he faces, he actually looks even better…. Dawson, Froch and Kessler his most impressive wins….Meanwhile guys are doing a circle jerk because Kessler knocked out a LAME like Allan Green?? A Glen Johnson leftover pretty sad campaign to garner credit when Ward stopped the likes of Kessler and Dawson BOTH guys who had NEVER been stopped inside the distance…Posted January 28, 2013 10:44 am
Contrary to what the excuse makers on this board will say Froch and Ward did NOT fight “in Wards backyard” here in the US we consider Atlantic City (NJ) and Oakland CA (California for the dummies) to be on different coasts, they are different time zones (3 hours apart)… Those of us who live on the East Coast consider the West Coast a different world… Froch had no problems beating OLD Glen Johnson in AC and had no complaints because he WON… But when he faced a truly elite fighter in AC with a hand injury now suddenly he cannot win in that area code?? GTFOH the English judge was the ONLY guy who saw the fight accurately and had Ward winning GOING away AGAIN I indulge this just to point out the holes in you guys arguments and the reality that you just HATE Ward because he is a winner…. For the first 35 bouts of his career Kessler did not fight away from home worth a DAMN….Posted January 28, 2013 10:40 am
The ONLY reason Froch and Kessler whine about losing away from home is because the LOST… When they were winning away from home it was NOT an issue… Mikkel Kessler has fought away from home a grand total of 5 times during a 48 fight career, Andre Ward has a grand total of ONLY 26 fights which is a FULL 22 fights LESS than Kessler so he has PLENTY of time to do whatever he wants… By the time Mikkel Kessler had 35 fights he had fought away from Copenhagen a ONCE LMAO against Israel Ponce during a 6 rounder… So how is it that Wards career is under so much fire from haters when Kessler is a hometown fighter and he has NEVER been overly impressive against the BEST he faced Calzaghe, Ward, and Froch?? He got a debateable win against Froch at home and he lost to Calzaghe via UD and Ward totally outclassed him…. So if the MK’s and others are going to be consistent you have to ding Kessler for the SAME thing…Posted January 28, 2013 10:21 am
The bitterness of Froch and Kessler fans is alarming they keep hanging this travelling nonsense on Wards head when he was a pretty new fighter at the upper level when he faced BOTH guys… Kessler had a TON more experience than Ward, Froch got the benefit of fighting Ward was a bad hand and still could not be remotely effective…If Ward is getting all this flack for not going to Denmark of all places then Joe Calzaghe must have been the FAKEST Champion in history according to MK and the rest of the whiners on this board… Calzaghe did not have ANY a truly meaninful fight in the US until he was at the end of his career and when he did the guys he fought were BOTH in their 40′s… By contrast Ward fought Kessler and Froch EARLY in his careers and when both were prime fighters on a relative basis… AGAIN these are just the excuses of LOSER fans who cannot accept defeat…Posted January 28, 2013 10:10 am
Froch din’t win a round? Two judges had the fight 115-113 you moron. In case math isn’t your strong side, that means Froch won 5 rounds.Posted January 28, 2013 8:44 am
Tachyon – Kessler fought Mundine, Haussler and Calzaghe in their back yard before the tournament. Froch fought Taylor in the US before the tournament. Did you forget that? When did Ward ever fight away from hi sback yard.Posted January 28, 2013 8:41 am
I just want to mention that I respect all the fighters, as human beings, it is a tough job, boxing, it is the promoters I dislike. I agree with most of this thread, it is true that Kessler and Froch don’t negate Ward, at all, only thing they both said, was the boxing at home thing, which clearly is a valid fact. Without the head, holding and hometown advantage, is Ward really all that. I mean, I thought Kessler was God, before the Calzaghe fight, now I see him as a warrior, and exciting.Posted January 28, 2013 7:47 am
1. Even though Pacman and Marquez has fought many times now -Ward is above rematches?
Son of Enzo
There’s 2 reasons he won’t fight Froch in the UK…Gerald McClennan and Jeff Lacy!Posted January 28, 2013 5:46 am
some of you guys are completely missing the point. 1. Froch, AA, and Kessler came across the pond to the big stage because of the tournament. Remove the tournament they would not have come. 2. Its not like the fight was close for either man Ward dismantled Kessler and Dominated Froch. there was no need to worry about score cards are home cooking. Just good old fashion A whupping handed out to Kessler and Froch by Mr. Ward. 3. Rule of thumb if your a boxer never fight in a EU country where one man is the Ref and the official scoring judge. Nothing but home cooking in those places. Froch and Kessler should be honored to fight in Vegas at least here Ward whups there ass then can take the out for some good food and fun.Posted January 28, 2013 12:54 am
Well I am sure he is satisfied about the money he is making. Havent really heard of him turning down a fight because of money. But I have heard of the previous fighters you are talking about do that. Though I like both fighters, the champ is Andre Ward and you are supposed to go and take the belt from the champ.Posted January 28, 2013 12:19 am
Son of goop is upset because two guys he beat are getting more attention than him. Oh well. Get well soon, son of goop.Posted January 27, 2013 11:14 pm
“Froch and Kessler are just using my name to get attention” Oh shut up, son of goop. You’re the one with the bum shoulder who can’t fight. Stop pissing on their parade because they are getting more attention than you are! You’ll have opportunities for rematches against both of them. If you want them.Posted January 27, 2013 11:10 pm
Since the Soviet Union fell it is much more of a global sport. It is now much more popular in parts of Europe than it was in prior times. It was illegal in China and parts of Scandinavia not long ago. It is more of a global sport also in that the US no longer can dominate it in the way it once did and there is more money in other parts of the world (not unlike alot of other things).
Ward does not in fact sell out his home town arena. The biggest audience he has had there was when he fought Kessler and the arena was a little over half full. He needs to find a way to make money in a sport that isn’t as popular in the US as it once was and that may mean traveling outside of California, but it is his choice.Posted January 27, 2013 7:32 pm
Boxing has always been a global sport. This is nothing new. Ward can make all the money he wants if he keeps fighting in California. He sells out there. That is how you make money. Now the question it who wants to be the Champion because in order to be the champ you have to beat the champ and Ward is the ChampionPosted January 27, 2013 7:03 pm
Boxing is a global sport now. This seems to bother some from the US. Also, if Ward doesn’t believe he needs to travel that’s up to him, but where and how does he intend to earn his money? Who is he going to fight?Posted January 27, 2013 6:08 pm
Ward should get over it. “It ” being himself. How is it that a man calling himself the “Son of God” (SOG) lacks any humility whatsoever. I know that confidence is important and necessary in such a brutal sport. However, there is a defference between humility and confidence. By the way, if Ward had fought outside his hometown he would have received muliple warnings and loss points for using his head. Most all fighters he faces wind up with broken noses due to headbutts Ward delivers. Think I am wrong, take a gander at his fights, including the olympics. When and if he does take a fight overseas his third and most powerful weapon will be nutralized: his head. The difference in his skills and the outcome will be startling.Posted January 27, 2013 5:59 pm
to put it in perspective guys you dont hear anyone questioning the balls on Froch, kessler & even abraham & bute for that matter as each of them were prepared to travel when not required. Kessler’s 2 loses were in Wales & oakland ( his opponents backyards) Froch Lost in Denmark & Atlantic city, Abraham lost in Detriot, finland (ok neutral) & california & Bute lost in nottingham Froch’s backyard – thats perspective!!!!!!Posted January 27, 2013 5:57 pm
Both Froch and Kessler were world champions when they fought Ward in the US, and now Ward is a champion he expects fighters should come to him, with all the home comforts he ‘gained’ in the Super6, he has become a stay at home fighter. Kessler Vs Froch is a huge fight, and it’s a fight for the fans. Ward seems put out with all the publicity this fight is generating and his moaning is because he will never leave the US, he developed the sweats just leaving Oakland and fighting in Carson.Posted January 27, 2013 5:52 pm
do not care much if u recognize Ward or not,fact is,he whupped both of them,end of story…Posted January 27, 2013 5:37 pm
So many comments on this, can anyone accurately verify what have been the largest paydays thus far for Kessler, Froch and Ward? How about home arena live gate attendance? I think Kessler might have had the biggest payday versus Calzaghe and maybe even versus Markus Beyer…Posted January 27, 2013 5:05 pm
FrochPosted January 27, 2013 4:46 pm
Frcck vs Kessler is a great fight. Ward should cool it and just fight the winner and be happy with the payday.Posted January 27, 2013 4:45 pm
Henrik Kessler has what kind of stock? Ward beat him like drum. Froch did better but still got beat like a sparring partner. Froch has little more clout he did dismantle Bute but Kessler does not have a bar stool to stand one right now lucky for him Froch wants to tear a hole in his ass only reason Kessler is getting any attention right now. Froch will beat Kessler and Ward will beat Froch again.Posted January 27, 2013 3:53 pm
Ward keeps his ass in oakland,watching Froch and Kessler fight,for lots of money and because they are FIGHTERS!!WARD only had one request before the S6,that he fought his fights in either oracle Arena,or close too…He now say he dont care where he fights,as long its inn the USA..The guy has amazing talent,but MUST,to gain respect and fans,grow some balls and fight outside his livingroom with his uncle as referee…IF he was confident,he would go either to england or danmark to fight either Froch or kessler..And i would LOVE to see just one quote or artikel where Kessler bringing wards name up,unless he is answering a question about Ward…Because i havent heard Kessler mention his name,other than he would like a rematch..he never say anything bad about Ward,only postfight,right after the loss in S6…Ward is not in a position where he can dictate everything,not at 168…Kessler was wba/wbc champ when he called calzaghe out,and went to cardiff to fight him.Ward thats what you should do,if you are tired of BOXING FANS that keeps on bringing that issue up.Posted January 27, 2013 3:16 pm
Wards little garden? All of the EU is the size of Texas. Ward is the big fish and the EU is not even in the pond. You guys are more like a leaf floating on the USA ocean.Posted January 27, 2013 3:07 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Ward is the Klitschko of the lower divisions, wins but is boring beyond all rational thought…Posted January 27, 2013 2:27 pm
Kessler and Froch are the superstars of Smw. The feather duster has 1 legitimate win, against a top dog, in Smw, Froch. Honestly, we all know that the sleeping pill who was scared to death of a drained Green and Koed by the same journeyman who Koed Stevenson (Boone), can’t replicate a big win outside of Oakland. Kessler and Froch have clearly stepped up their game, to a level, where they are too strong for Andre. His outbursts the last weeks, are utter frustration.Posted January 27, 2013 12:16 pm
The El Paso Fight Prophet
Ward is the Man, He makes fights look so easy and already dominated pessler and Crouch.Posted January 27, 2013 11:10 am
The super 6 was held in wards back yard. Both Kessler and Froch are better fighters now after the loss to Ward, and Ward knows that. Your only a real Champ if you can defend your titel outside you own country. And Ward dont seem to dare taking the risk. Therefore, NOT a real champ. Kessler and Froch are more respected fighters than Ward, and have been fighting outside their own country. If Ward was fighting the same day as Kessler and Froch, theres is no doubt that Ward will loose the ticket sale. Kessler nor Froch don’t need the name Ward to promote themselves, they are just calling the chicken out of its comfortable zone. So Ward wake up, and please act like a REAL Champ.Posted January 27, 2013 10:27 am
@stagolee: Yes, I noticed that too: “I don’t care which country it’s in … they have to come to the U.S…”. D’oh! Hahaha! Good points made by Popkins too: believe it or not Ward, in Europe nobody has heard of you, whereas Kessler and Froch are superstars. The thing is, boxing is about entertainment as well as achievement, and Froch and Kessler are exciting to watch. You, on the other hand, while you are undoubtedly technically gifted and have a special talent when it comes to wounding your opponents with your head (this is called cheating, by the way), you are also an incredibly boring fighter. Want to be a world-renowned “star”? Well, you need to come to Nottingham to fight Froch, and Copenhagen to fight Kessler, and fight as if you had a little passion and heart. If you think you can knock them out in their own back yards, bring it on! Otherwise, stop trying to use their names to make yourself better known, because nobody cares, okay?Posted January 27, 2013 10:12 am
I really don’t understand this “if it was in the UK it’d be different” mentaillity… it’s just being a sore loser.
Kessler deserves a rematch more than Froch IMO… though again, what Ward did to him only borderlined on dirty (i.e. that little “false clinch” where if Kesser obliged and looked to take a breather by accepting the clinch, Ward would step off and start throwing a combo… sometimes leading to those unintentional headbutts). No ref in any country could’ve actually called him on it, so the outcome of the fight would never have changed.Posted January 27, 2013 10:12 am
No Ward: you need to beat Froch in England and Kessler in Denmark. If and only if you succeed in doing that, and without the use of your head, will you get the recognition you feel you deserve. Are you ready to step out of your comfort zone and fight on the world stage (the world, believe it or not, is way, way bigger than the USA), or will you be content to be remembered as a protected fighter who only ever fought people in his own back yard?Posted January 27, 2013 10:00 am
And Kessler and Froch are probably more famous than Ward across the boxing world. Now if Kessler/Froch were name dropping guys like Sugar Ray, Mayweather, and Tyson every time they spoke, sure they might be saying it to get attention. But mentioning “Andre Ward” among the European press isn’t going to get anyone reading the story.Posted January 27, 2013 9:54 am
” …I don’t care which country it’s in, it’s not going to go the distance. I don’t have to go to Denmark to become a star; they have to come to the U.S…”
Wow, has he got split personality disorder or is his memory so bad he cant even remember what he said one sentence ago?Posted January 27, 2013 9:54 am
Calzaghe would have edged Ward on points. In Wales, Joe may have stopped himPosted January 27, 2013 9:47 am
What a ridiculous comment, Ward was initially considered screwed because as a guy with 20 fights he destroyed a guy (Kessler) who was favored and had given a good account of himself against Calzaghe… He fought Joe C away from Denmark and did not get destroyed like that… Froch fought Ward in AC which is NOT SOG’s hometown and even with a bad hand made Froch look like a tough yet limited fighter.. Ward gets PLENTY of respect he’s p4p 3 in the world, announcing on HBO and Showtime and his trainer is becoming very sought after.. Butthurt Froch and Kessler fans simply don’t matter because their men are BOTH a distant #2 some Andre Ward leftovers and serial whiners…Posted January 27, 2013 9:45 am
Very good point. Here in the states, everyone was saying how Lacy was going to expose Calzaghe etc. There was no home cooking in that one – Joe schooled him. Of course, afterward, it was all “lacy only had 17 fights…inexperience blah, blah blah..” they still would not give credit where due. And I also gained much respect when Calzaghe came to vegas and fought with three American Judges and an American ref and still won. He also brought the large majority of fans. How many American do you think would ever buy a plane ticket and go to Europe to follow Ward or Hopkins? I bet less than 100 and they would only be close friends and family.
As for McClellan vs Benn – McClellan was a monster coming off 3 straight 1st round KO title defenses and being held up as a serious threat to RJJ in his prime. He was expectd by so many to blow Benn out and he almost did Unfortunately, we know what happened to him, but it was a great fight and performance by both but especially Benn.
Ward is simply spoiled and likely scared. Outside of hardcore fans he has zero recognizability and market appeal to the mainstream and that is putting it mildly. ODLH he ain’t.Posted January 27, 2013 9:10 am
the super six was fixed for Ward to fight at home and alas he won. Personally i wont recognize ward until he rematches the winner of Froch / Kessler in there respective countries. As for home advantage doesn’t matter both Gerald McClellan & Jeffy Lacy came over to the Uk and lost fights they were favourites to win and i rate the G-man as a much better fighter than WardPosted January 27, 2013 8:45 am
testPosted January 27, 2013 8:31 am
American fighters need all the preferential treatment to win is my interpretation. Being the home team fighting an away team is mandatory!
Just imagine, there’s a world outside the USA. It’s actually where your historical family originated from. I know Americans struggle outside the bubble but trust me there is a world out there beyond your borders.
American fighters stay in America, yet expect the ROW to come to their back yard and dismiss there’s no potential bias! How many headbutts can he get in to open a fight-ending cut? What a joke!
Yet, fighting abroad, oh no, that wouldn’t be fair! What a joke of an argument. They need their bubble wrapping and continuous home comforts.
I’d say for sure Ward is great at what he does, bending/breaking the rules by holding and headbutting. People just aren’t really interested in watching him as shown by monies he’s earned.
Now as for Kessler, he fights! His mess up was not taking Ward seriously before their fight. Calling him a scrapper is a typical American insult to cover up some truths. As for Froch, he fights! They’re both warriors! Unlike Mr Home Comfort, Home town referees and judges, with the home crowd. Even his last fight, it was at his ‘home’ weight making Dawson go to an uncomfortable weight. I’d like to learn if you think that’s an inaccurate reflection?Posted January 27, 2013 7:54 am
excuse me meant no “disrespect” to “Ward’s little garden”.Posted January 27, 2013 7:49 am
??? Ward needs to come to Europe to get a edumacation. This is a fight Europeans want to see with no respect to Ward’s little garden.Posted January 27, 2013 7:47 am
Ward ducking froch big time.Posted January 27, 2013 7:23 am
I like Froch and Kessler but Ward is right. He beat the hell out of both of them second fight means nothing and only proves he can beat them again unless they get home cooking which we have seen to many times in the EU.Posted January 27, 2013 7:04 am
American fighters don’t travel overseas because honestly they don’t have to, why would they? Andre Ward walked thru the super six without going anywhere, he’s a top 5 p4p fighter without traveling, he’s the super middle weight king without traveling.. So why would he travel, when he can accomplish his goal right here at home?Posted January 27, 2013 7:00 am
ducking soggy=knockout fodder for Triple GPosted January 27, 2013 6:51 am
People would rather watch Froch or Ward fight than Ward.
Stupid comment … you slap yourself latter for them.
I still want Ward Vs Bute.
Ward’s just making excuses not to travel and he is wrong all the all time greats fought abroad at one time, do you think all of Africa or Asia knows who ward is? of course they don’t!Posted January 27, 2013 5:33 am
wow did ward really say that? the guys an absolute knobendPosted January 27, 2013 5:31 am
You say that but I bet their fight will be worth more than Wards would have been with Pavlik.Posted January 27, 2013 5:21 am
Froch is a much respected exciting fighter but he’s just hasn’t got the big fan base they say he has,fight fans love to watch him coz hes brave but he’s no house hold name,Kessler is a mega star but only in Denmark so in that respect I agree with Ward they were both sent to school by him yet they both think a rematch should be in there country don’t know they get that.That been said it dose look like Ward may become another none traveling champ don’t know why he would easily beat both of them again anyway.Posted January 27, 2013 4:35 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Is Ward losing the plot? It’s one thing declairing yourself “Son Of God” now this. Why do American boxers have to spread the B/S so thickly?Posted January 27, 2013 4:34 am
Killing Moon The Soothsayer
Ward : Kessler ad Froch are using my name….This from a guy who have no fight coming up….And can’t restrict himself from bringing his own name up…..When theres a mega-fight in Europe coming up….LMAO….Irony please….Would Ward even have a name of any sorts had he not fought these two…This is a case of a fighter afraid of being forgot about….If he’s not afraid of traveling….Prove it!…Instead of being butthurt about people putting that sticker on him….Posted January 27, 2013 3:10 am
Ward is a great fighter but is acting like a jackass.S.O.G. I think hes starting to belive he is god.Posted January 27, 2013 3:07 am
Listen, when Ali was champ, he did like true champions and warriors do – he traveled the world to take on all-comers & show fans everywhere what he could do. I simply have respect for fighters who are willing to go on the road. Ward seems to think he’s great – fine, why can’t he sit his ass on a plane and go prove it somewhere overseas? It was the same with Jones – he’d do all those stupid stunts before a fight to show how great he was – the only stunt he wouldn’t do though was get on a 747 to go over to Germany and fight Darius Michelzewski…. Nowadays though it’s a different story – he’ll gladly get on a plane and go get ko’d in round in Austrailia or anywhere else that will have him. Ward will never be as renowned as Jones, so who knows where he’ll wind u fighting when he’s washed up? Probably Zimbabwe or Bolivia.Posted January 27, 2013 2:49 am
Raskol ( Rascal) – while you busy figuring out flight schedules Ward keeps on putting on a clinic, both your boys were outclassed by Ward. Froch didn’t even win a round. Keep your eye on the ball.Posted January 27, 2013 2:06 am
hahaha, that’s funny! Let’s be honest, outside hardcore boxing fans, who knows who Andre Ward is?Posted January 27, 2013 1:23 am
You have to give Froch and Kessler props for traveling as much as they have. Roy Jones never left the states until his name was mud, but at least that is better than Hopkins or Ward have done. If American fighters are so great, why are they so paranoid about leaving the US? Especially in the 168-175 range – they big bucks have been overseas in that division for years. Look how many fans fill the stadiums in Denmark or Wales back when Calzaghe fought. How many people attend a Ward fight in person?Posted January 27, 2013 1:06 am
American fighters are scared of travelling that’s all it comes down to and he’s leaving ward til last cos win or lose after that fight he’ll retire he’ll beat Kessler and bute, he’s already said if he lost to bute he would of retired in the 1st fight and I think if he suffers another lose to either of them fighters he’ll hang up his gloves he has nothin to prove he never ducked nobody, wasn’t scared to travel and always stood toe 2 toe like a true warrior!Posted January 27, 2013 12:45 am