Lets be honest: We are looking out for Bute vs Froch 2 and Froch vs Kessler 2. This fight is only interesting, because a lot of people want to see Ward lose in Oakland, against the boring Dawson. To bring Hagler and Leonard into this debate is not logical, in any way shape or form. Hagler and Leonard were a million miles ahead of Ward and Dawson. They were real boxers, they could really box and had power. So I can’t wait for Bute vs Froch 2.Posted August 29, 2012 6:13 am
On the road? Last I looked atlantic city waS 3,000 miles from Oakland….Athens Greece 7,500 miles from Oakland..Posted August 28, 2012 12:58 pm
Biker Mike is the man ! He has hot chicks on his bikes !Posted August 28, 2012 9:12 am
First, I am glad it’s not happening at a catch weight. Second, major kudos to Dawson for coming down in weight to make this fight happen! Three, I think too many are selling Dawson short. I think Dawson is hungry, he wants what Ward has been able to attain — P4P status and a lot of media attention — due to his (Ward’s) domination in the Super 6. It may make an ugly fight — lots of holding and pushing on the inside — but I expect both of these guys going all out to win. I think Dawson will surprise his critics and earn a close decision in a very, very competitive fight. I also expect to see both of these guys hurt along the way as they take chances to get the upper hand/try to take control of the fight.Posted August 28, 2012 8:26 am
bikermike wow what a passionate post one word to you my friend RESPECT :mrgreen:Posted August 28, 2012 8:26 am
You cant equate this to the original super-fight (Hagler-Leonard) …. Ward-Dawson could be a bore-fest. Bad clash of styles.Posted August 28, 2012 6:43 am
IM ACTUALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS FIGHT ITS GOOD FOR THE SPORTPosted August 27, 2012 10:55 pm
It’s Me, Ernie…
Ward brawl? That’s a laugh… :lol:Posted August 27, 2012 10:46 pm
I see Ward winning this one via UD. The early rounds will probably go Dawson’s way though. But right around the 5th or 6th round, it’ll turn into an ugly inside fight. Dawson will be gassed by the ninth round, and Ward will cruise to the victory.Posted August 27, 2012 9:32 pm
Oh Yeah, I watched Hagler/Leonard and was pulling for Leonard all the way. I saw the fight as a draw, and didn’t think Leonard did enough to take Hagler’s title away. A lot of those rounds were close, and people ended up giving them to Leonard, based on the flurries he threw in the final seconds of many rounds. That’s my opinion anyway.Posted August 27, 2012 9:28 pm
As I’ve said many times I like this fight. I don’t have that same feeling I had when I was anticipating the Leonard/Hagler fight. Probably because I feel Dawson, has been reduced into a fighter who is always chasing something, rather than defending what he has. That’s not his fault, but it’s true. Dawson should have been sitting on top right now. Instead, he’s forced to go after the rightly bigger named Ward’s title at a lower weight…Posted August 27, 2012 9:28 pm
I think Dawson and his camp are overlooking wards strength an power. Ward will attack Dawson’s body. Jab to the midsection ala Mayweather . Work on the inside and take away Dawson’s reach and height advantage. If ward can execute this plan he will drain Dawson. Ward by UD 116-112 115-113 115-113Posted August 27, 2012 7:10 pm
have a look at the expression on wards face in the jpg does this look like the face of an exciting fighter he looks like he is ready for bedPosted August 27, 2012 5:10 pm
marvelous marvin hagler would KO both of bore snore non exicting ‘fighters” in under 3 rounds on the same nightPosted August 27, 2012 5:05 pm
Da UnKnown Comic
If Dawson’s legs and body don’t betray him because of the weight loss, I give him a great chance to win. Even in Oakland. It’s time to go on the road Andre. You were the ONLY guy not To fight on the road in the Super 6. Very unfair. ZERO wins were on the road in the tournament. I’m not saying you would not have won the tournament, but it’s intriguing that there were NO road wins. I wonder what woulda happened had you gone to two other guy’s countries. HmmmPosted August 27, 2012 4:57 pm
I would like to see a Ward v Martinez fight.They could both change weight a few pounds.Posted August 27, 2012 3:39 pm
I just knew it. Ward did not want to fight at catchweight, this has been claimed all along, and is a lie. It would not surprise me to see Ward use the same tactic, he did against Green, in the strangest fight ever. Never have I seen so much holding, and so little boxing. I will be watching on youtube, a couple of days later, how Ward won via holding.Posted August 27, 2012 2:04 pm
When morons say, “Boring” it just tells me they’re the typical, rock’em, sock’em, Gatti vs. Ward type of fans that don’t appreciate the nuances of boxing.
It’s your prerogative to like that style granted but there’s huge reason those types don’t reach the elite skill level. That said, people say “Ward is tough” as if Chad is mentally weak. Hopkins DELIBERATELY (for example) head butted Dawson as part of his attack to frustrate him. If he (Dawson) can sustain himself during that against an expert. Why do people think he’ll shrivel against WARD who’s know where near as adept as Hopkins in the nuances?
Ward has a chance and this will be a good fight. But I’m just explaining out some of the ridiculous reasoning why Chad loses according to some.Posted August 27, 2012 2:03 pm
Bad Chad is way too much for Ward at any weight. If he develops punching power he’ll be virtually unstoppable. Unless Joe Calzaghe comes back .Posted August 27, 2012 1:47 pm
Ward will try to make this into a brawl. He wants to out-strength Dawson on the inside like he did with Froch and Kessler. Ward won 10 rounds from Froch and the decision was horrendous. The judges didn’t do Ward any favors in that one. To me, boxing judges are corrupt, stupid, and incompetent in general — and not just biased. If Dawson can get into a rhythm and keep the fight at long range he has a chance. Dawson will be light in weight, so he’ll have to rehydrate really well after EACH ROUND, use every inch of that ring, and work his ass off. His feet will have to be fresh, fast, and springy to maintain distance. He should use hard gripping sport shoes like David Haye used against Dereck Chisora. They worked beautifully to give Haye maximum grip and traction for combinations, and he could move and change positions like lightning … If Chad has no energy, and moves like a brontosaurus pulling a 20-ton load of scrap-iron through quicksand, like he did against Jean Pascal, he has no chance in hell …. It depends on what Dawson shows up.Posted August 27, 2012 1:31 pm
Boring fight this. Ward could not bust a grape. Will have a 100 quid on a ward points wins. Only way Ward stops him is if he is allowed to give 30-40 unanswered head butts like in the Kessler fight. Won’t be paying for this fight. Catch it the day after when picking up my winnings. Is ward fighting at home?? Of course he is.Posted August 27, 2012 12:47 pm
Maybe I am the only one who still remembers the Adamek fight, but Dawson can produce a good one. I blame the fact that he had to fight Johnson, Tarver, and especially Hopkins for the belief he’s boring. He was coming on and taking it to Pascal when the ref convently chose suddenly to hold Dawson no longer able to fight due that cut. It would have been a 11 or 12th round KO of Pascal had that not happened. I hope Dawson pulls the upset on Ward, who has been given every advantage not just in this fight, but every fight he’s had a pro.Posted August 27, 2012 12:46 pm
two superior boxers will sort it out. some of the assinine comments on this column show how immature the fans are, looking only for blood and guts and knockouts. boxing has an intellectual element and the author has zeroed in on it. let the mauler brawlers go to the UFC. this one is rightly a classic in the making.Posted August 27, 2012 12:06 pm
Ganger – 2 David Hayes in the ring would be worse.Posted August 27, 2012 11:30 am
I am no fan of UFC but I would rather watch an UFC event than this fight. Two boring boxers in the same ring :sad: – the only fight that would be more boring would be if two Hopkins were in the same ring :mrgreen:Posted August 27, 2012 11:26 am
Andre Ward is deceptively strong and has too much heart for Dawson.Posted August 27, 2012 11:13 am
I don’t share the author’s optomism that this fight will be related in any way to the Hagler/Leonard fight or the superstar boxers involved. These 2 guys, Ward & Dawson couldn’t carry the jockstraps of those guys. Also, I’m wondering why the author mentioned UFC “crap”. These mixed martial arts guys give it their all and the matches are usually more exciting than plenty of boxing contests.Posted August 27, 2012 9:41 am
In truth, I have more interest in seeing my man V.K. get-it-on with this dude Manny Charr on HBO on Sept. 8… I know zippo about this dude Charr other than he fights outta Germany… Anyway, I’m glad HBO has agreed to televise the friggen event…… Also, on the flip side of the coin, I am opposed that “Chavez-Martinez” will be an over-hyped PPV fight for $60 hardcore U.S. dollars in the states… Christ, 25 years ago this event would be ABC Wide World of Sports or regular HBO at best…. Again, this era of PPV has gotten way outta control…. Cheerio……Posted August 27, 2012 9:27 am
Irish – I see the weight of 168 as a real issue for Dawson… He already is a damn good sized light-heavy… Dawson will likely be below 2% body fat at 168 and the 36 hours he’ll get to rehydrate will not be long enough to regain all his strength that likely will be left in the gym and on the official scale… Dawson will without a doubt seek a tactical approach against Ward and hope the fight doesn’t get too physical or gruelling…. I see Dawson being flat come fight night….Posted August 27, 2012 9:17 am
People here may be overdoing the whole size issue.
Dawson will have had months to drop the necessary weight with professional nutritionists and trainers.
Instead of coming into the ring in the mid 180s, he’ll come in around 180 instead.
I get the feeling he’ll be just fine at the weight.Posted August 27, 2012 9:12 am
BOREFESTPosted August 27, 2012 8:35 am
These guys Ward and
Oh, I kinda’ like this new format and look by ESB… WORD!Posted August 27, 2012 8:06 am
Great fight! Too bad Bad Chad ain’t the same at 168…Posted August 27, 2012 8:05 am
B-Hops is the most technically sound and fit 47 year old fighter you’ll ever see in the ring, but his age and naturally smaller frame was obvious to the naked eye against Dawson last April….. Yes, of course Dawson’s southpaw stance was also troubling to Hops, as well…. However, when Dawson strains to make 168 pounds and faces a young and spry Ward in the ring, Dawson is gonna look sluggish, weak and a fool… Dawson sold out his future for some quick cabbage in the pocket… Yes, after gazing into my crystal ball, I see trouble on the horizon for Bad Chadwick Dawson…. But, like I said a moment ago, he’ll have some cashola in his wallet… I can clearly see team Dawson fighting on ESPN2 in 2013 while claiming they are on the full recovery / comeback trail….. Perhaps Bad Chad can hang and have some dinners with Edison Miranda while he’s on the ESPN trash of the week fight schedule in ’13…… Cheerio…..Posted August 27, 2012 8:02 am
Bill Patrice Jones
I don’t understand what has recently transpired in Dawson’s career. I’ve always considered him one of the best pure boxers in the sport for years; additionally, he has been criminally overlooked and avoided. The reason Dawson baffles me is that his once sublime punch numbers seem to be periodically abandoning him all of a sudden. Now in his first fight with Hopkins there’s no question Bernard looked terribly uncomfortable with his oppponents size and speed from the word go. In their rematch Dawson was heavily criticised for being so economical with his punches; however, you can never underestimate how unbelievably crafty and awkward Hopkins is. He makes the world’s busiest fighters throw fewer punches than ever before (Calzaghe a perfect example). Nonetheless the Hopkin’s fight was not an anomaly. Against Diaconu Chad seemed to spend the whole night trying to sit down on his shots, and actually ended up making the fight close. Similarly against the much smaller Pascal Dawson let so many rounds go early on in a fight he should always have dominated. I know in a fighter’s career the level of opposition naturally increases, but I’m worried for Dawson in this fight. In my opinion he has NO option other than to bounce on the outside all night, and try to overwhelm the judges with flashy flurries. He has to construct the fight so that it looks like he is massively outlanding Ward (even if in reality Ward is landing the better punches). He needs one of those pseudocontroversial compubox wins where the argument lies over who was busier or who was better. I want to see the Dawson of old, perpetually active and nightmarish for a smaller foe. The fundamental problem is of course, besides Ward’s sublime skills, will Chas be able to fight busy at 168. Looking at their respective physiques in their natural weight class I doubt it. Ward looks like he could pack on muscle at 168, but Dawson looks as tight and ripped as he could be at 175. Can he really take off a healthy 7 pounds without losing muscle??Posted August 27, 2012 6:41 am
RAY GORDON REID
ANDRE WARD OVER DAWSON AUGUST27/ 2012 TIME 6.35 AM,Posted August 27, 2012 6:34 am
bikermike, thanks. spot on and the sad truth.Posted August 27, 2012 6:02 am
ward by decisionPosted August 27, 2012 5:33 am
Ward, the most boring ‘superstar’ out there. Seriously, who would pay to watch that guy? Technically superb yes, but boring as hell.Posted August 27, 2012 5:17 am
Dawson was beaten by Pascal at his normal weight. in these conditions, he has not a chance against Ward.Another low risk/high reward for Ward.Posted August 27, 2012 5:03 am
You did not just compare Dawson-Ward to Hagler-Leonard . . . .
Hagler and Leonard were both proven fighters at the time and were not only exciting in the ring but also out of it
Dawson – Ward is the polar opposite. These guys have not proven themselves as much as the forementioned ATGs and are also Boring in and out of the ring.Posted August 27, 2012 4:52 am
Ward cannot beat Dawson at 175, but he will at 168…….
MR.BILLPosted August 27, 2012 2:03 am
Ward cant beat Dawson at 178. Ward set the stage for homefield protection against a dawson at 168 which is Dawson-not at his best. Wards fights have been padded for years and the Dawson fight will be nothing less. Expect a boring fight. Ward isnt going to KO or hurt Dawson. Im hoping Dawson pounds the chump.Posted August 27, 2012 1:58 am
Sparta, Ward as bored a nation. I agree that Dawson needs a KO to win in Oaktown. Also, Dawson isnt strong at 168. It will pay to be interesting if he can make that transition from a stong 78 to a gamble at 68. Dawson is much stronger than Ward and is more colorful. Ward has established a bunk resume over 7 years. Its frustrating to read these posts gloating over a fighter who hasnt scratched the surface of a true champ. Ward’s resume is weak and so is he.Posted August 27, 2012 1:51 am
S P A R T A
THANK GOD FOR MMA, NO CHEATING THEIR, CANT HIDE BEHIND THE JUDGES, CANT BE PROTECTED AT HOME- FIGHT TO THE FINISH.Posted August 27, 2012 1:47 am
S P A R T A
AT HOME ONCE AGAIN, ANYONE TIRED OF THIS. ANDRE WARD, THE KING OF BEATEN FIGHTERS, THE MAN WHO FIGHTS ONLY AT HOME, THE MAN WHO CANT KNOCK OUT A 90 YEAR OLD PERSON IN A WHEEL CHAIR, WINNER OF THE SUPER 6 DISASTER, THE MAN WHO COULNT STARCH MIRANDA, BIKA, GREEN OR THE MUMMY ABE,======== NOW ACTUALLY WILL FIGHT A PERSON WORTH A SPIT IN THAT OF DAWSON WHO BASICALLY NEEDS KNOCK OUT TO WIN IN BS OAKLAND. DAWSON CAN BASICALLY BEAT WARD UP FOR 12 ROUNDS AND STILL LOSE. LETS HOPE WE DONT HAVE TO WATCH WARD STINK UP THE PLACE WITH THE FOUL A THON.Posted August 27, 2012 1:45 am
Tarker is right…… Leonard beat Hagler, but not with ease… It was close, yet Ray won….. Cheers…..Posted August 27, 2012 1:34 am
Agree with this article – not the analogy to Sugar Ray/Marvelous, but this is a fight that will draw a line between MMA and boxing. This will be a high level boxing match, replete with all the subtlety and science that only boxing provides. Chad looked real fast on the 24/7 – maybe the weight loss could help?Posted August 27, 2012 12:10 am
BTW… Leonard won the Hagler fight easy. Hagler gave away the first 4 rounds fighting out of an orthodox stance. He was trying to humiliate Leonard by proving he could beat him right-handed … That put Hagler in a deep hole and he never recovered.Posted August 26, 2012 11:06 pm
The differences are–Ray Leonard was coming off a 3-year layoff when he whipped Marv Hagler — and while Chad Dawson is coming DOWN in weight to meet Andre Ward, Leonard went UP in weight to whip Hagler… It’s much tougher to come down in weight than to go up — just ask Leonard after his fight with Terry Norris, when Leonard tried to revisit the Junior Middleweight division … WHOOOEEE what a whipping Leonard took.Posted August 26, 2012 11:00 pm
with so many ‘half weight’ double shift opportunities…up or down…three pounds ..up or down can get you sixteen titles…with the right management/promotion teamPosted August 26, 2012 10:59 pm
My rant aside…these two lads have earned a place in the sun…wonder how many pennies from each twenty bucks …the fighters will receive from the published purses ??….just asknPosted August 26, 2012 10:57 pm
there’s been so much ‘sunshine up your panties’ stuff on here…Used to be a cupla good fight fans would post a story about one of those champions…..or even one of those fights that were still talked about ….Pre seventies….best stuff was about fighters that were pre television….radio only…..holy fk…if that pac/bradley broadcast by limply went radio only….there would be assination conspiracies abound…..
If ever there was a victim of success…it is ESB…..so many fight fans migrated to it due to the knowledge and humour of the posters….Old Yank…The BULL…RAY…Canuck….and some real class others…..been so long since I heard from my buddy in Florida…I blanked his moniker…….
There were a lot of disagreements..but a lot of stuff got put forward by a lot of deep wells of Boxing knowledge….ESB was the KING OF ROCK AND ROLL ….visavis…place to go ..for ‘WHAT’S UP’ …..Boxing
due to obvious schills..including folks getting ‘blanked’ for some complaint….
We’ve lost a lot of good troops over the last five years.
Hope to see you back…..not all of us are in line for the slop we’ve been shovelled….and we want you back …..Hell …We need you back…..divided we fallPosted August 26, 2012 10:54 pm
Its a shame these two couldn’t fight at a catchweight. Dropping soo much weight will likely drain Dawson and make him look worse than he is.
notice that a lot of focus is on the super middleweight division lately…gee golly gosh……
used to be just fans posted on ESB….which made it the most popular Boxing site on the planet…..
then came the promoters and their schills…
I still read ESB..love some of the posts…but we’ve lost our purity….ESB is so successful….promoters are busting into our coffees…..and pints….we are NOT ALONE…anymore we gotta shake ourselves free of promoter influence….i’m not just too sure how to do that at this time…..THE BULL WENT to another site which is harder to get into than my first wifePosted August 26, 2012 9:45 pm
Great fight how can people not be ampd about it, of course u got the people who only watch big names like pac and may and u also have the guys who only like a slugfest but this will be a skill fight for both I just love boxing all around. Ward by u.dPosted August 26, 2012 9:45 pm