Boxing

post comment

MK

You asked for proof: There you go. Now I won’t be quoting the articles again. Ward does not hit like Froch and Kessler, the help he got was with endurance. Sredmond where is your logic:)

Posted February 16, 2013 6:04 am 


MK

La Times: Quote:”To sell a dirty supplement is easy — convicted felons can do it — so who knows what’s in this stuff?” Tygart said. “I believe everyone deserves to be rehabilitated, but I question why any elite-level athlete would think anyone like this would have a secret recipe that can work so well. For the life of me, I can’t imagine why anyone would associate with someone like this who’s made so many mistakes in the past.”
But Ward said he used a $4,000 IHT unit from Conte for “about 10 or 11″ of Conte’s prescribed 15 daily treatments while preparing for his Nov. 21 win over Mikkel Kessler. Ward downplayed the IHT training in his win, although he said that, “By the 11th [round], I caught my second wind. That’s when I caught” Kessler. Tygart took Armstrong down.

Posted February 16, 2013 6:01 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Wow, how can you type with SMW balls on your chin?

Posted February 15, 2013 4:58 pm 


SREDMOND

MK, seriously its time to let go of the Kessler fight, the butts happened accidently and Ward was beating Kessler to the punch from start to finish…That one is in the books so its tim to accept reality and move on…Wards career has skyrocketed, and he is going to be around for years winning and remaining amongst the best…

Posted February 15, 2013 3:34 pm 


SREDMOND

AGAIN MK, Ward has NEVER been linked to PED usage and the YOU call him a featherduster ie no power… So try and be consistent with your stances??? Reality is that you are looking for ANYTHING to try and discredit Ward who BADLY defeated a couple of fighters that you did not want him to prevail against.. Ward is outboxing his opponents and he has NOT lost since he was a child (Olympic Gold etc) and all this predates his work with Conte by a number of YEARS…

Posted February 15, 2013 3:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Ernie, clinching is NOT against the rules if it was then most fights would end in a DQ and Wlad Klitschko sure as hell would NOT be HW Champion… Lets get real this is jys another rendition of sour grapes by Ernie..

Posted February 15, 2013 3:19 pm 


MK

To be honest, I dont care what Ward eats, I care about his headbutting to a title. Victor Conte is the last man Ward should be working with, up to the Kessler fight.

Posted February 15, 2013 2:06 pm 


MK

La times writes:
Quote:
Andre Ward just became the WBA world super-middleweight boxing champion. Outfielder Marlon Byrd doubled his season-high home run total this year for the Texas Rangers. In March, British sprinter Dwain Chambers ran one of the five fastest 60-meter times in history.
Each has been assisted by a man who earlier this decade orchestrated one of the darkest scams committed in sports history: Victor Conte.
Conte, founder and head of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), distributed then-undetectable steroids to some of the world’s most talented athletes.

Posted February 15, 2013 2:01 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Clinching is against the rules.

Posted February 14, 2013 7:19 pm 


SREDMOND

You try accuse the man of PED usage ABSENT a single shred of proof, you call him a Top 10 SMW when he is the Ring Champion and defeated guys you position ahead of him… AGAIN I am merely following the party line as far as sport Ring Mag and the WBC and WBA recognize him as Champion based on who he beat… AGAIN this is reality not a matter of opinion.

Posted February 14, 2013 4:04 pm 


SREDMOND

MK, what fault do you want me to find? do I deny that accidental butts occured during the bout with Kessler?? You seem to want to tank or invalidate the mans career based on something that routinely occurs in boxing we simply disagree on that… Ward was all over Kessler from the opening bell, you on the other hand simply played fast and loose with the facts… You even tried to insinuate PED usage against a fighter who has never been subject to those claims and who YOU call a feather duster… Make up your mind is Ward a juiced up powerpuncher or is he a feather duster?

Posted February 14, 2013 1:51 pm 


MK

I asked you the following: Can you find any fault with Ward. Can you find any fault in your own arguments. It is true that Ward was knocked down by Boone, but not Koed, fault by me. You label us as idiots, but can you take it yourself sredmond. You can’t find any fault with Ward, you can’t find any fault with any argument you have had = There is no logic in your argumentation = Maybe you are a delusional guy living in a little room, with the windows covered up, full of newspapers. Accidental headbutts, 5 times. Thats sad for you.

Posted February 14, 2013 1:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Tying your opponent at times is perfectly fine it’s part of boxing… Have your ever heard the term clinch?? As for headbutts they occur at times often due to the fighters styles.. I have watched a bunch of Ward fights and the only fight where accidental butts were noteworthy was Kessler so how does that label Ward as a “dirty fighter”??? Pacquiao has had butts with numerous fighters as has Cotto and many others…Again you seek to indict Ward largely based in one fight which is narrow minded in the extreme…You just seemed to wake up to the reality he was NEVER “knocked cold” so perhaps it’s time you rethink your other stances…

Posted February 14, 2013 5:24 am 


MK

It’s Me Ernie: Thanks for the tip. I am here to discuss boxing and boxers, nothing else.

Posted February 13, 2013 6:58 pm 


MK

I haven’t said anything about Ward continuing fighting a certain way that was someone elses point. I don’t think that Kessler moves his head enough, I think that Froch is a bit slow -I wonder if sredmond can find any fault at all in Ward. Headbutting and holding is ok by you, I understand, can you find any fault with Ward. Can you find any fault in your own arguments. It is true that Ward was knocked down by Boone, but not Koed, fault by me. You label us as idiots, but can youtake it yourself sredmond. To be honest I don’t have time for this discussion.

Posted February 13, 2013 6:53 pm 


SREDMOND

MK, when you say its an example of how he still fights do you mean winning unanimously or defeating Kessler, Dawson and Froch?? The Boone fight is irrelevant because it was neither a loss nor close victory and it happened in his 7th pro contest… If Boone provided the blueprint then why were your heros unable to capitalize on it? Why were they the ones tacking on losses to their records, losing championships and tournaments while Ward has been universally recognized as a P4P fighter??? HMMMMMMM your stance is beyond illogical in light of the facts.

Posted February 13, 2013 6:35 pm 


SREDMOND

MK, lets stop the jokes so Kessler and Ward clashed heads, sorry but that happens in boxing… Have you never seen this? Boone did NOT KO Ward, he put Andre down then Andre got up, got himself together and commenced to continue outboxing him on his way to a unanimous decision…Where is Boone and what is he doing with his career? No one cares about that fight EARLY in Wards career absent deranged detractors who want to peg an undefeated Champions future to a flash KD in his 7th pro fight… Pacquiao was stopped 2x and went on to become fighter of the decade… Ward has been stopped 0 times and he sits WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY atop the SMW division!

Posted February 13, 2013 1:27 pm 


MK

It’s Me Ernie: I have thought from the start that a man like sredmond, who talks about himself, in the third person, and continually have negative discussions with other boxing fans, and write whole novels in response for Ward, is one of these delusional people, never coming out of their little room, with the windows covered up, the room filled with newspapers:) Kessler was clearly headbutted 5 times against Ward, the belt stolen from him, and Boone Koed Ward, the later was lucky to win the fight. I see now that the same journeyman, will meet Stevenson, for a rematch. Why not a Ward vs Boone rematch:)

Posted February 13, 2013 6:56 am 


SREDMOND

How can you “be schooling” when you are not even arguing supportable facts? we can debate whether it is cold or not but we cannot debate that in NYC the US its actually Tuesday… Do you see the difference? ie Ward defeated Kessler and Froch or that he is Ring Champion or that Boone had him down but NOT out and he (Boone) lost the contest… I bury you guys in verifiable facts and hence despite the twisting on the vine my arguments are fundamentally going to be superior…. If Ward was the loser in these encounters I would say so and that would be the end of it I am not as wedded to the fighter as I am the FACTS… Its impossible for you to prevail Ernie and I am comfortable in the knowledge that you know that….

Posted February 12, 2013 4:14 pm 


SREDMOND

C’mon Ernie try and be MORE imaginative than that I understand that crushing another persons reality is bout to create a backlash but the truth is that some of the assertions going on are SOOO off base its nuts.. I know you guys envision a thread where Ward is NOT Ring Champion, he did not beat your fighters and he was stopped by Darnell Boone in his 7th fight…Problem is, that world does NOT exist and reality creeps in by hook or by crook…Clearly you take this pretty seriously because you cannot help but return to this dead thread and debate me… I enjoy this so who is in the drivers seat?? :)

Posted February 12, 2013 2:13 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

You’re as bad as Tard worrying about everyone else and what they are thinking, your obsessions are really strange. Do you live in a dump somewhere with 29 cats and piles of cigarette butts and pizza boxes with sticky life size posters of your favorite athletes? I bet your windows are covered too…

Posted February 12, 2013 1:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Ummmm Ernie you and MK are the ones watching “Old Fights” ie the guys 7th pro contest … I am just doing you guys the favor of keeping you current on the division, you seem confused about the pecking order and I am kindly providing an education…

Posted February 12, 2013 4:25 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Basically you are the only one discussing your manlove for Ward. I actually couldn’t care less about the fool. Go back to watching old fights of his and playing with your small weenie…

Posted February 12, 2013 12:09 am 


SREDMOND

Ernie, Boone LOST AND that was in his 7th pro fight AGAIN you’re a bitter man… We have seen Froch on the floor not so long ago against Taylor and Kessler down against Green… These fights happened in modern history… NO ones discussing Wards 7th bout which he won… This dude owns 168 it really does NOT matter how much you like or dislike him… “Boone” HaHaHaHa!!! The desperation is comical!

Posted February 12, 2013 12:06 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Boone rocked Ward’s world, that’s for sure. I was ringside for one of Ward’s early matches in SoCal against a kid named Ashworth who was dq’ed for hitting Ward late after absorbing repeated nasty head butts. I haven’t cared for Ward ever since…

Posted February 11, 2013 9:54 pm 


SREDMOND

You DEFINITELY need novels because you don’t understand the sport and your command of the FACTS is very poor… AGAIN you believe that Ward has been “knocked cold” when he is undefeated, the corrections will continue until you up your boxing IQ and realize that facts are important.

Posted February 11, 2013 6:59 pm 


SREDMOND

MK, again you are a SADDDDDD excuse for a boxing fan, Darnell Boone lost a unanimous decision to Andre Ward and he did something that NEITHER Froch nor Kessler could do he got him off his feet…So what he got put down in his 7th pro fight?? By the time he was at his 20th he was stomping Kessler and basically took over as one of the BEST fighters in the world… A “Cold KO” is what Marquez did to Pacquiao but then again I can see you are VERY new to boxing….Allan Green got handled with EASE by Ward his performance in fairness was BETTER than Mikkel Kessler who could not even go the distance and comprable to Froch who lost a UD that most considered WIDE… Again I know facts are not of any importance when you are driven by pure hatred but altering a fighters record to record a KO that never happened indicates you are the EXTREME of childish and a poor debater…

Posted February 11, 2013 6:57 pm 


MK

I don’t recognize a win by headbutting.
Darnell Boone knocked Ward out Cold
Ward was afraid of the same thing happening against Green, why else would he hold on to Green for an entire fight. Green was even drained.
We don’t need entire novels from you, on each thread.
Like Froch said recently: I lost to a great champion, and to a pocket thief, by God was he right.

Posted February 11, 2013 6:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Ward was NEVER KOed by a journeyman what the hell are you talking about? The guy is undefeated or do you debate that as well? The ONLY guy who was in trouble against Allan Green was Kessler who he had on the floor and AGAIN I notice you trying to sell Taylor and Greens performances but NOT your heroes Kessler and Froch why is that? UMMMMMM because they ALL lost to Ward via UD at best…. I know you HOPE Ward goes to LHW because that is the ONLY chance that Kessler or Froch have of really being regarded as the BEST at SMW, while he is around that division those guys are playing second fiddle and their fans are selling excuses…

Posted February 11, 2013 2:22 pm 


SREDMOND

TYPO= knocked out by Froch and Abraham in succuession

Posted February 11, 2013 2:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Who said that this was “a thread for Kessler and Froch fans” I did NOT see that written into a contract? I actually like both fighters but alas I am NOT confused about the hierarchy in the division like the excuse makers and purveyors of fantasy…. SMW had a tourney and unlike other divisions the top guys have fought eachother and we have some answers… Unfortunately for SOME they don’t like the answers that does NOT change what they were…Ward is #1 and Froch and Kessler can figure out who #2 is…. As for Jermaine Taylor and Green don’t make me laugh anymore please.

Posted February 11, 2013 2:03 pm 


SREDMOND

MK, how the hell do you surmise that Taylor was winning against Abraham? he was down 102-107, 103-107 and 102 to 106 on 3 different cards he was LOSING and then he got knocked cold and had to stay out of boxing for 2 years there is NOTHING brilliant about that in the slightest NOW you are just inventing things… With Froch his stamina issues bedeviled him again and he got knocked COLD there is not a single thing about Jermaine Taylor at that point suggestive of high level competence or the chin to win… You claim Ward might not have a chin when he faced Kessler and Froch while passing with FLYING colors meanwhile Jermaine Taylor was PROVED to have no chin getting knocked out by Froch and Kessler who recorded NO other stoppages during the tourney… You want to position the WORST performer in the tourney (Taylor) as Wards bettor?? LMAO!! So he could have done better than Kessler and Froch right :)

Posted February 11, 2013 1:31 pm 


MK

If one has to praise oneself, it is a sign of other peoples lack of respect, for you. You ought to think about this sredmond, it is a bad habit that shows your insecurity. I respect you, as an individual, but hijacking a thread like this for Froch and Kesller fans, is a bit strange.

Posted February 11, 2013 1:24 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Looks like I was correct after all, thanks for making my case…

Posted February 11, 2013 1:01 pm 


SREDMOND

To be honest I seriously DOUBT that either you or MK truly hold Allan Green or Jermaine Taylor in very high esteem you just want a point of contention which is fine but you can’t get man when I retreat into the world of facts and breakdown the reality of who Green and Taylor were when they fought Kessler and Froch respectively.

Posted February 11, 2013 12:43 pm 


SREDMOND

No Ernie its not that serious but I am a fan of reality and if I have been factually incorrect please let me know?? I guess you think that Jermaine Taylor was a terrific 168 pound fighter who would punish Ward even though he NEVER booked a good win at the weight? I am NOT like you guys if Mayweather, Ward or any others lose tomorrow I will say “they lost” I am NOT going to churn out WILD excuses nor try to oversell a broken fighter like Taylor… AGAIN I am providing facts to support my arguments agree or disagree…Being a fan does NOT mean pretending losses are wins..I am a BIG Pac Man fan but he got his head blown off in December, case closed and you have to live with the results….

Posted February 11, 2013 12:41 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Let’s just sum it for you Sred, you are the most awesome fight fan ever, you know more about the sport than any person who has ever lived, and only YOUR favorite fighters are any good. Other fans can’t enjoy the sport unless first getting your opinion. The earth rotates around you, and we need to recognize.

Posted February 11, 2013 12:35 pm 


SREDMOND

Ward dominated BETTER fighters than Taylor EVER was ie Dawson, Froch and Kessler even Bika is a FAR stronger and tougher fighter than Taylor who has NO chin and AGAIN was ineffective at 168, pounds the idea that Jermaine Taylor with his telegraphed right hand would be difficult for Ward is a sad sad joke…. Dawson has real technical skills and Ward boxed him silly and knocked him out…

Posted February 11, 2013 12:23 pm 


SREDMOND

Froch and Abraham were LATE to the Jermaine Taylor party, he had ALREADLY lost twice in a row to Pavlik via KO and UD….He was exposed as a fighter WELL before Froch got him and it did not look good on Froch to have to pull out a 12 round KO to win when he was down on the cards… I give him credit for stepping it up but Jermaine Taylor was literally the weakest link in the tourney, his chin had been compromised and his technical flaws were well known… I know you feel the need to laud a washed up fighter like Taylor in order to pump up Froch while you try to minimize the current Ring Champion, WBA, WBC Champ and a guy who beat Froch and Kessler… AGAIN using the Allan Greenes and Jermaine Taylors of the world to sell your fighters is just SADDDD!! neither man had the cache to get them off the hook for their losses to Ward.

Posted February 11, 2013 11:55 am 


SREDMOND

Of course you are “sticking to your argument” because you have ONLY surface level knowledge of boxing 3 of Taylors 4 losses and 2 of his KO losses occured during bouts that occured above 160 pounds, he has since dropped back down and has only been successful against regional fighters like his last opponent Raul Munoz who had 15 losses! Leading up to Froch Taylor had lost 2 of 3 including a devastating KO loss to Kelly Pavlik which he followed up with a UD loss, the only break in his downward spiral was a points win over washed up Jeff Lacy who was fighting with a surgically repaired shoulder and was blown out by Calzaghe….Jermaine Taylor had 0 success above 160 pounds and the portent of his weakness was illustrated by his inability to dominate guys like Ouma, Corey Spinks and Winky Wright all guys who did their best work at 154 pounds…. The fact that Taylor forced Froch to struggle tells us that Froch has some technical limitations…

Posted February 11, 2013 11:47 am 


MK

No I am sticking to my argument. Tailor was a strong boxer, at the time of the Froch fight, where he was back at his best, Tailor became flawed when he suffered two KO defeats, in a row, against a brilliant Froch and Abraham. Ward would have had big trouble against Tailor that night.

Posted February 11, 2013 8:37 am 


SREDMOND

Taylor had stamina issues for years and telegraphed his right hand something awful..He was overhyped due to his ultra close wins over a 40 year old Hopkins, Taylor has not stopped a quality opponent since 2005 , he has stopped a couple of journeyman types, could not even get rid of a spent Jeff Lacy who a deceased version of Roy Jones beat… Taylor was not a particularly good outing for Froch who needed to rally in order to win… Taylor had his best fights at 160, at 168 he was getting knocked out left and right….Learn boxing MK, seriously

Posted February 10, 2013 6:03 pm 


SREDMOND

Jermaine Taylor was a TERRIBLY flawed fighter who had already been destroyed by Pavlik and was having trouble with guys best at 154 like Winky Wright and Kassim Ouma, Taylor was a challenge for a fighter of Frochs caliber but he would not have lasted 12 mins with Ward, he was almost killed by Abraham who did terrible in the tourney… Besides Ward was plenty stronger than Froch or Kessler who got outmuscled and outfought.. Jermaine Taylor had Froch on the floor what a joke!

Posted February 10, 2013 5:55 pm 


MK

When you look at Tailor vs Froch, in the US, you see a Tailor much stronger than Ward, up against a man from the wild side, coming up with heavy punches in the 12th round, destroying a man much stronger than little Andre, if Froch can find that animal side of him, I think he could easily destroy Andre too. Kessler is just another business. Look at the way he handled Green in Lhw, which is clearly not Kesslers division. I believe that the animal chose the wrong opponent in Kessler. I can easily see a Kessler victory via KO, against Froch, in the end Kessler will be the Smw king, I just know it, ask Magee.

Posted February 10, 2013 12:28 pm 


MK

I will give you this: The feather duster is a top 10 Smw, but it is difficult to say anything about his chin. I think Sven Ottke and Ward are very similar. Two titans of boxing and hiding:)

Posted February 10, 2013 7:48 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

lol…

Posted February 9, 2013 6:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Just keeping the hammer of reality thumping your skull Ernie! Somebody’s gotta go it, you guys left to your own devices would think Froch and Kessler are fighting for top slot at 168!

Posted February 9, 2013 2:12 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Only FIVE more responses, you’re sorta losing your touch…

Posted February 9, 2013 12:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Jesus I just watched a bit of Ward vs Kessler again, Ward is just WAY too fast for Kessler who moves in straight lines, he is EASY to hit simply moving backwards.. Kessler had NO clue what to do with this fighter…

Posted February 8, 2013 2:45 pm 


SREDMOND

DIRECT QUOTE FROM CARL FROCH POSTFIGHT……”It was a bad night for me, obviously,” he said. “I couldn’t get anything going – and that is due to Andre Ward. I wanted to put shots together, but he ducks and he slips and he slides. I tried desperately to get shots off, but I never found myself in the zone. He was either too close, smothering me, or too far away. He did a good job of keeping himself out of harm’s way.

Posted February 8, 2013 2:36 pm 


SREDMOND

MK, when are you going to expect one of your fighters to test Wards chin or KO him? I mean lets get real he has one of the BEST defenses in boxing something that even Froch credits him with..”He was either too close or too far away fro me to hit” Ward knows how to control distance and neutralize his opponents, he is NOT Kessler or Froch who have to trade in order to win… Thats why Kessler ended up on the canvas against Green…Wards skills are on another level…

Posted February 8, 2013 2:29 pm 


SREDMOND

MK, are you still trying to sell Kesslers quality off of Allan Greene??? c’mon man Green is a NOBODY he was a late addition to the tourney and he was stopped by OLD Glen Johnson… Lets pretend that your assertion that Ward was scared of Green was true, the problem is that he was NOT scared of Froch nor Kessler so what does that say about the two of them… You can try and treat Ward as a career headbutt guy like Tim Bradley but thats not gonna work he had a issue with he and Kessler clashing heads, so what? it happens in boxing and Kessler showed he could NOT fight at that level he was befuddled by a newbie….There was NOTHING sad about Dawson vs Ward EXCEPT Ward making him QUIT…When you choose to fight in another division you vacate your right to excuses and Dawson rightfully made NONE.. He just LOST!!

Posted February 8, 2013 1:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Hey Ernie, you might be right but AGAIN it is WAY too early to tell, honestly there are only a few guys who can sell in the sport but the starting point is WINNING and Ward is doing that in SPADES…. Time will tell the story

Posted February 8, 2013 1:47 pm 


MK

I actually think that Ward has fine ring intelligence and speed, what makes him boring is the dirty tricks, he displays. Headbutting, holding and running away, hiding behind the referee. Ward was scared to death of a drained Alan Green, who Kessler took out with one punch, at Lhw. When SOG stops the dirty tricks, we will see if he has a chin. Now do remember that the winner of Froch vs Kessler is SOGs next opponent, it will happen, and then where is Ward going to hide? Dawson fighting in the Smw condition, well we all said it was deeply unfair and rather sad. Dawson asked to fight at a catch weight.

Posted February 8, 2013 1:32 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Sorry, your delusions of Ward becoming a PPV attraction will never happen. Possibly he may be on an under card, but even that is doubtful. Have to bounce now, I will be back tomorrow to check on how many more times you responded with your nonsense, it’s hilarious…

Posted February 8, 2013 1:25 pm 


SREDMOND

AGAIN Ernie Ward is NOT the most exciting fighter I have ever seen and I never claimed that but he is WINNING and beating the BEST to do it….He is building his profile and if this trend continues he might catch on he might not but to pretend that he should be racking up PPV’s as of now is really DUMB… Marquez, Donaire, Martinez and others are NOT solo PPV guys and they have been doing work in the sport for years AGAIN it takes time and some get there and some don’t… Martinez is very exciting but he did a PPV with Chavez where he got paid HALF the guaranteed purse pretty much… Why is that? Because Chavez had more cache with the Mexican contingent… We will see but in order to get to the top you usually need to be a WINNER and Ward is doing that BIG time…

Posted February 8, 2013 1:12 pm 


SREDMOND

Ernie, Pacquiao was 40 plus fights into his career before he began drawing on PPV and that was in the 100′s of thousands initially he did NOT become a big name until like Floyd he fought ODH and did over 1 million on the strength of Oscars popularity… Ward is ONLY 26 fights into his career so he has time to go… Floyd did not REALLY get big on PPV till he fought Oscar either so again it took time… Maybe Ward will maybe he won’t be he is certainly on the RIGHT path and cleaning house at a high profile tourney only helps… I know your logic is not the best but consider the time it took for both Floyd and Pacquiao to become household names, neither could really sell PPV’s until they were in their 30′s and they needed the biggest NON- HW seller in the history of the sport to get that off the ground…

Posted February 8, 2013 1:07 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

There you go putting words in other peoples mouths again. We all know Ward is undefeated and the undisputed champ. He is BORING to watch. Can you explain his lack of popularity? With his accomplishments, you would think he would be the main conversation in professional boxing, but he’s not. As for your PPV wet dreams, he just doesn’t have the draw. Even the on-the-downside-of-his-career Pacman will easily outsell the likes of Ward vs. whoever. A Ward PPV wouldn’t sell. Sorry, he just isn’t the great you make him out to be.

Posted February 8, 2013 12:50 pm 


SREDMOND

Sorry Ernie, If Ward is such a lowly fighter then why was he NOT blown out in the first round of the tourney? Or by anyone else in his amateur and professional career? You need to explain this away with something better than “hes boring” or DUMB MK saying “he fights like an amateur” Newsflash Amateurs get beat by Pros, Froch had no trouble imposing himself on Bute who had 2 good hands, why not defeat Ward who had ONE good hand…. Ladies and Gentlemen Ernie will NOW commence to whine, twist, complain, and make excuses instead of showing the video of Froch or Kessler with their hands raised… AGAIN all roads lead to Andre Ward at 168!

Posted February 8, 2013 12:38 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Are you kidding? Those are compliments for Ward.

Posted February 8, 2013 12:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Ernie, they said the SAME thing about Mayweather early on but he KEPT on winning Ward is already announcing and building his name… His last bout featured a TKO of a visible YOUNG LHW Champion and who knows what happens in a couple of years… Wards the rising tide, Froch and Kessler have both used the word “retirement” Ward is the future and he is EVERYTHING that is right about boxing, willing to fight the BEST in his division which he has basically cleaned out… How many guys booked wins over the #1 #2 guy and at least 2 other Top 10 fighters at the weight as well as the Champion the division above him in dominant fashion… Close your eyes if you want but Andre is on the RISE….Perhaps he will be kind enough to beat the hell out of the winner of Froch/Kessler again… What do you think?? LOL

Posted February 8, 2013 12:28 pm 


SREDMOND

Ernie, have you really deteriorated into nastily insulting Ward to mute the impact he has had dominating the division? AGAIN by attacking Ward you cast a PALL over the fighters you seek to elevate ie Froch and Kessler who are both very good but looked pitiful in the ring with him….I know you will NEVER address the LACK of stamps on Kesslers passport all the way up till 35 fights absent a scrub in a 6 rounder but why did Ward have to have the travel bug with 20 fights when he faced Kessler? I mean it makes Kessler and Co look WORSE when they got beat by such a lowly fighter… You are actually making me rethink their actual quality…. hmmmmmmmmmmmm????

Posted February 8, 2013 12:22 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Sorry, Ward is not and never will be a PPV draw. It’s obvious “fighters” like him are one of the major reasons for the advancement of MMA.

Posted February 8, 2013 12:20 pm 


SREDMOND

One Inch Punch, I accept your concession and capitulation!! its a sign of some intelligence that you realize you are BADLY overmatched and that churning out excuses to explain away the obvious dominance on Wards part is a futile endeavor… I bid you a fond farewell in your future dealings outside the realm of discussing boxing :)

Posted February 8, 2013 12:16 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Ah you slipped on e in the mean time, hurry and get your third one in please, we are all waiting…

Posted February 8, 2013 12:16 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

OK good, there’s one post, we need at least two more of your nuthugging love fests for a very b-o-r-i-n-g and unpopular head-butting spoiled hometown only, constant lip-licking 168lb version of the Klitschko sisters.

Posted February 8, 2013 12:14 pm 


SREDMOND

NONSENSE Ernie we all saw Dawson AFTER the Hopkins fight call Ward out for a fight at 168, he wanted to go after Wards titles so he got what was coming to him and he was DOMINATED… The ONLY reason you want to make excuses is that you don’t like Ward which is fine but the arguments NOT credible, you cannot call a guy out then set terms how does that work? Dawson was 175 pound Champ and he was calling out a SMALLER guy so he deserved a beating… You don’t have to like Ward but saying “most don’t” is NOT something you can intelligently backup, I know I know fighting the BEST they put in front of you and dominating them in their primes is a BAD thing and being a Gold Medalist, Super 6 winner, Ring Champ WBA, WBC P4P 3 or 4… But Ward is building his presence and in years to come he will be banking on PPV!!

Posted February 8, 2013 12:11 pm 


OneInchPunch

SREDMOND (or is that Wardmond) – as i have stated before to you….you have made assertions and falsely attributed comments and statements to me which i have not posted I one thread regarding your hero nor could or would you direct me to the false/fictitious comments you attributed to me … as such i do not debate with people who make things up and lie with regards to me… I have stated this to you before. Good bye!!

Posted February 8, 2013 11:52 am 


SREDMOND

I mean the BIAS you guys display in regards to Wards accomplishments is evident but to me its fun because it is EASILY overidden and debunked by the FACTS….ie Froch and Kessler LOST to Ward, they lost handily…Ward won the Super 6, and none of this is NEW because Ward ALSO won a Gold Medal and he has been WINNING for a LONG time… NONE of you can explain why Froch could not give a decent performance facing Ward with SOG having a BAD hand? or explain how Kessler with WAY more experience was nullified and bullied by an underdog fighter during the first round of the tourney?? When the smoke clears my argument reigns supreme because the fighter I am discussing has all the accolades ie Ring Champion, etc, P4P list and Kessler, Dawson and Froch’s scalp in his back pocket….Now let the excuses begin LOL!

Posted February 8, 2013 11:42 am 


SREDMOND

One Inch Punch, its ODD that you discuss your background who really cares? I just think you have VERY poor arguments that are often nonsensical and laden with adjusted metrics to downplay the CONSENSUS best 168 pounder in the Worlds accomplishments… Guys like you and silly “MK” try to impose a travelling requirement on Ward which NEVER was in play for Kessler during his first 35 fights and absent Calzaghe he was NOT fighting the level of comp that Ward did ie Dawson, Kessler, Froch, and Abraham…AGAIN don’t be mad with me, call Ring Mag, and all the other credible writers in boxing they are going to name Ward as the KING of 168 and easily one of the top 3 or 4 fighters in boxing… FACTS

Posted February 8, 2013 11:27 am 


SREDMOND

One Inch Punch, whats there to defend? Ward does NOT need to be defended he just keeps WINNING I am just stating FACTS, Roy Jones WAS washed up or do you think that was a prime or remotely prime version of Jones?? Calzaghe did beat Hopkins BUT he did it via S/D, he did hit the canvas and it was NOT impressive what do you dispute because I will be more than happy to correct you?? I mean you have churned out TONS of excuses for Froch and Kessler for their losses and both were prime fighters NOT OLD men like Jones who had been knocked out 2x before Joe beat him on points…

Posted February 8, 2013 11:22 am 


SREDMOND

RJJ’s age was only a part of the discussion the truth is that the version of RJJ that Calzaghe beat was WELL known as a WASHED up fighter who had been knocked out in succession by Tarver and then Glen Johnson who was NOT a big hitter… Jones had not defeated a serious challenger since the first Tarver bout… Calzaghe beat a NAME and thats about it…. The only reason you guys want to try and position Joe as beating anything close to a prime or very good version of Jones is because he needs the credit….

Posted February 8, 2013 11:13 am 


OneInchPunch

frank – spot on and good post…. thats the thing with east ide, its good to have a diffrent view but don’t be blind or bias with your it.

Posted February 8, 2013 7:32 am 


SREDMOND

The reality is that Joe got an S/D points win and he Joe is a HOFer, some say an ATG, he looked like crap against a 43 year old Bernard.. Had he stopped Nard, beat him up and stayed off the canvas this convo would be different but he turned in an UGLY win that was not very impressive..

Posted February 7, 2013 11:31 pm 


frank

There you go again spedmond coloring things your own way. When Calzaghi fought Hopkins . Hopkins had just came off his biggest win yet .. Hopkins won the light heavy wight championship in a good win against Antiono Traver who was highly rated at the tme . Hopkins was rated 1 or 2 in that foolish pd forpd thing along with Calzaggi . When they fought Calzagghi out hustled Hopkins and took his title , Calzagghi had Hopkins stopping the action pretending to be fouled But Hopkins was really stalling for time and gasping for air He couldnt keep the pace with Calzagghi and never would have . After the Calzagghi loss Hopkins in his next fight had another big wn over pavlik no mention of age there and a few yrs latter Hopkins beat pacal for the light heavyweight title again . so I guess Hopkins was only old when he lost to Calzagghi but was young when he beat Taver Pavlik orPascal.

Posted February 7, 2013 9:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Popkins you CANNOT add Ward to Joes list of scalps I know you are scraping for credit but he NEVER faced nor beat Andre Ward and he did not even “put Hops in his place” putting a guy in his place looks like Hops against Pavlik (total domination) or Ward vs Dawson a straight up TKO “hey I quit endeavor”…. That Hops win was hardly impressive given Bernards age and what Joe had to go thru to get it.

Posted February 7, 2013 5:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Wow he really put Hopkins in his place? how was that with a TOUGH S/D win where he was put down by a guy who last stopped ODH coming up in weight?? RJJ gets Joe almost NO credit it was a SHELL of a fighter who has been stopped by Glen Johnson, Denis Lebdev and Danny Green… Andre Ward beat Calzaghes BEST win FAR better than he did, Ward did not let Kessler compete for a second….

Posted February 7, 2013 5:36 pm 


Popkins

…It’s just a shame Joe isn’t still fighting as he would surely have put Ward firmly in his place…Sheika, Lacy, Brewer, RJJ, Mitchell, Hopkins…Ward…

Posted February 7, 2013 4:40 pm 


SREDMOND

How did the weight favor Ward, when Dawson was the guy that called him out at that weight and came to the ring weighing MORE than Ward? That fight was HARDLY boring watching Dawson get taken to school… I guess you are NOT a fan of guys moving up or down because there is a BUILT in excuse for either fighter…. Dawson was a PRIME guy who had NEVER been abused like that and SOG made him quit…. I give Dawson FAR more credit than Froch or Kessler he never made excuses and he said Ward was just a GREAT Champion who was faster and stronger than he had thought…. Ernie you are making excuses, its not becoming of you.

Posted February 7, 2013 4:27 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Hell, Ward was even boring when he beat Dawson, at a catch weight that favored Ward.

Posted February 7, 2013 3:10 pm 


SREDMOND

You guys act like Ward set up the Super 6 tournament he was NOT even the favorite when it began he was simply the winner.. Ward owns Froch and Kesslers destinies at 168 because the ONLY reason you guys are droning on about the locations instead of the action is because Ward made light work of BOTH men in the US one fight that was on neutral ground….Froch and Ward fought in Atlantic City, where Tomas Adamek is a pretty big draw… Adamek is a Polish fighter and he has plyed his trade without complaint meanwhile Froch was pretty helpless against a boxer with a bad hand in the SAME venue which is NOT Wards home state…. You guys have 1 million excuses for Froch and Kesslers lack of success….

Posted February 7, 2013 12:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Froch vs Kessler is a GOOD fight these guys are pretty evenly matched whereas NEITHER matches up well with Ward who would negate their assets easily, take them to school, defeat them and the crying would start ALL over again…Watching a guy dominate is not fun at times, whereas drama is entertaining but Greatness is effortless such is the swath that Ward has cut thru the SMW division beating the BEST while barely breaking a sweat…

Posted February 7, 2013 12:05 pm 


Anonymous

Nice to see Sredmond is still spamming Ward’s name…I sense alot of life in him….

Posted February 7, 2013 11:32 am 


SREDMOND

HaHa, so if Froch thinks that Ward is such a LOWLY fighter then why the hell did he lose to a one handed version of Ward its totally an denunciation of Froch and Kesslers skills that both these guys could not get past a guy you proclaim as a pocket thief?? Like Kessler said “Ward is a different type of fighter” another loss is inevitable and the winner can get on a plane and come fight the guy who defeated them before Andre Ward, anything else falls under the heading of EXCUSES… These guys are discussing retirement based on the outcome of this bout neither man can compete with Ward

Posted February 7, 2013 11:16 am 


MK

Well I agree with Froch: I lost to a great champion, in Mikkel Kessler and a pocket thief, in Andre Ward. So neither Froch, Kessler, the fight fans or even the whole of Oakland can stand the sleeping pill. Ward is certainly no Mayweather, he is an exact copy of Hopkins:)

Posted February 7, 2013 10:56 am 


SREDMOND

Ward did NOT have a “butt issue” with Froch what a joke of a comment and tying up your opponent is a tactic that is used in boxing in case you did not know… Ward is FAR less active in that regard than Wlad Klitschko or Ricky Hatton who are constitutional in that regard..The truth is that you guys want Ward to fight in a manner that favors his opponents which is FOOLISH…. Floyd Mayweather has gotten the same rap ie stand and trade and slow your damn hands down so opponents have a shot at winning… Neither Froch nor Kessler can handle an elite fighter with serious skills like Ward it has been proven…20 fights were MORE than enough for Ward to dismantle Kessler with ease, at this point it would not even be fair to put them in the ring again Andres just too damn good

Posted February 7, 2013 10:38 am 


OneInchPunch

Rick – 100% agree… there isn’t a better fight out there at SMW… i hate the saying… but styles make fights and these two gel like no other SMW pairing.

Posted February 7, 2013 5:35 am 


MK

To be honest, there would be no rematches in boxing, if you follow the logic, Ward beat (headbutted and held) Kessler and Froch thats the end, lets freeze frame this and call Ward the best Smw forever. We all know that one body punch (Magee) can make you see a fighter, in a new light. One bad night (Bute) can make you see a fighter, in a new light. No fight is ever the same.

Posted February 7, 2013 5:18 am 


bumz

is this the international loser gathering?

Posted February 6, 2013 7:13 pm 


hullk

Ward is obviously a special fighter and beats both on any day apart from his very worst, but I’d rather watch these two fight than either fight Ward, any day of the week. All tickets under £100 were sold out within the hour, trust me i tried from minute one. I fancy Froch to nick another close decision, and after the PPV figures show this was a money-maker, I can totally see a third match, a ‘decider’ in Vegas/a more neutral venue.

Posted February 6, 2013 6:43 pm 


pugfan

i just hope they show this fight on t.v. in the states.

Posted February 6, 2013 6:05 pm 


SREDMOND

What complete NONSENSE, Ward whipped Kessler something awful and belts are not going to change that… The only guys at 168 who “HAVE” to anything are Froch and Kessler…. They need to suss out which guy is going to fetch Andre Wards slippers upon demand… Beyond that they are fighting for #2 this is how its going down on planet Earth..!

Posted February 6, 2013 4:19 pm 


Buddy

I pretty much agree with you.
Kessler has not lost his WBC title, i gave it up becurse injury in the super six.
And he was champ emeritus for more than a year after that.
So i agree he has not lost that belt.

Posted February 6, 2013 8:28 am 


Popkins

To be the undisputed champ and to have genuinely cleaned up all the belts at 168 Andre Ward must beat Kessler and Abraham again- BEFORE they lose a fight.

Posted February 6, 2013 5:46 am 


Popkins

A few pointers worth remembering….Froch won the Calzaghe’s old (vacant) WBC belt by beating Pascal. Kessler won Calzaghe’s old WBA belt by beating Sartison. Kessler lost to Ward, so Andre is the WBA champ. Kessler then went on to beat Froch, winning the WBC belt. Mikkel is clearly still active has not lost this title in the ring, therefore in any sane world he’s still the WBC champ. Bute got handed the IBF belt like an old hand-me-down T-shirt. Joe didn’t lose it, and went on face and beat Bika, Manfredo and Kessler – all top ten 168 pound contenders, so Calzaghe blatantly should not have been stripped as he was inarguably THE Champ at super middle. So Bute was never the real IBF champ, and as a result neither is Froch. The IBF belt is meaningless at present. And Inkin beat Zuniga for Calzaghe’s old WBO belt, of which Abraham is now the champ. Ward beat Kessler when Mikkel was the no.1 in the division, not the linear champ. Somehow Andre beat the no.3 super middle Froch to then be recognised by most people as the true champ. Surely no.1 has to beat no.2 to be the champ.? Or a contender has to beat THE champ to be the champ? not so in Ward’s case. Although to be fair he has proved himself to be the best at 168, regardless of this minor detail. But anyway… the current belt holders should really be: Ward – WBA, Kessler – WBC, and Abraham – WBO.

Posted February 6, 2013 5:43 am 


Nick

hahaha! Obviously you don’t know a thing about boxing! Why don’t you go a and put £100 on that outcome then? Or just flush it down the toilet? Same thing!

Posted February 6, 2013 5:10 am 


Frochy

My prediction is the opposite to yours. Froch takes out the viking warrior in the 7th.

Posted February 6, 2013 2:32 am 


The1

My prediction is that Kessler not only beats Froch again but this time inside the distance. Yes,… I mean by KO!

Posted February 5, 2013 9:36 pm 


Patrick2

The questions are going to be: Has Kessler racked up too many “ring miles?” (He’s certainly has been showing signs.) And will Froch start showing signs of too many ring miles IN THIS fight? (Because with the schedule he’s had, he should be showing.)

Posted February 5, 2013 8:27 pm 



Leave a comment on

Froch/Kessler: Kessler: I’ll beat Froch again









Back To Top

Close this window.

0.199