Most fighters feared Tyson, Holyfield did not. This is what Tyson had over most fighters, but didn’t have against Holyfield. Holyfield was never in a bad fight and gave fans what they paid for. Tyson on the other hand blew through his old, less skilled and fearful opponents. People like Kos whether they are in round one or round twelve; this is what Tyson will be remembered for. But what Holyfield has accomplished in boxing, he will always have the edge on Tyson.Posted December 19, 2012 3:31 pm
Clueless, and Tyson wasn’t a cheat.Posted December 19, 2012 3:21 pm
i agree, holyfield was definitely on the juice, going as far back as the 2nd bowe fight, its not possible to gain that much beef on your frame naturally in such a short period of time, unless of course your juicing, and coincidentally, holyfield and tyson each weighed 218 pounds for the rematch, but holyfield looked enormous in the ring!, thats water retention,classic indicator of steroids, hell hes 6ft 2 to tysons 5 ft 10, but both 218 pounds, mmmmmmmmm, VERY dodgy.Posted November 18, 2012 2:05 pm
Headbutting Billygoat Cheating Holyfield loses! Drugs and the edge of his alien head – gave him that edge against Mike in their fights. The “Real Deal” is more suspect than if Schwarzenegger claimed, all he ate was fruits and veggys for his entire career.Posted September 3, 2012 9:23 pm
Iron Mike Tyson….The End! Not the Steroid taking Holyfield….The End!!Posted September 3, 2012 9:03 pm
Holyfield – The EndPosted September 1, 2012 3:24 pm
Of course, Kevin Rooney will be there.Posted September 1, 2012 9:21 am
You are right. Talk is cheap. I respect you more than you can imagine Kenny. You are an hero.
I never meant to be offensive, however, you know very well that Tyson wasn’t using Cus D’Amato style when he left Rooney.
Where do you want to have our meeting to discuss
Ok, Kenny. Isn’t it true that Tyson dropped Holyfield twice in the amateurs?Posted September 1, 2012 8:40 am
I except your request .Talk is real cheap .Be sure to have one of your experts there.Of course he will be from New york I am sure.The thing I try hardest in my life to do ,is not lie.Remember Tim ,I am a fan of Cus and Teddy and know my history quite well. I love what New York has been to boxing,but I am also am a giant fan of the truth.My family goes back 106 years in boxing. But I have already told you how to beat him in the past.Two times……God bless….kenny weldonPosted August 30, 2012 7:19 pm
Tillis nearly beat Tyson.Posted August 30, 2012 4:07 pm
both hold legacies of their own. Tyson the youngest HW champion ever and Holyfield for his memorable battles against some of the HOF champs.
I honestly believe that Tyson had all that it took to be an all time great,but, he ruined it for himself, he left his trainer, he got mixed up with people who were just hangers on bathing in his glory days, and he did not keep himself in the condition both mentally and physically that it takes to keep the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world. Was he good? no, he was a GREAT heavyweight that was ruined, maybe by himself but surely by the hangers on, who supposedly were his friends, yes they were his friends when he had limitless money, where are they now. Tyson will always be talked about for what he was and what he really could have been, he will be remembered long after Holyfield is forgotten, and I say this with no dis-respect to Evander. Best of luck with the rest of your livess to both Mike and Evander.Posted August 30, 2012 12:31 pm
It’s Me, Ernie…
A hundred million? You need to recheck your figures.Posted August 30, 2012 11:36 am
I personally think their legacies are on the same level; with Tyson having the slight edge. Mike Tyson is not only loved here statewide; but he made his impact ALL OVER THE WORLD. Both times Tyson fought in Tokyo it was because the people there DEMANDED HIM. That should tell you something about his IMPACT.Posted August 30, 2012 1:21 am
Beer Party Movement
Tyson was at one point the best in the division, witch Holyfield never was, But Holyfield stayed on top of the game way longer than Tyson did. And he beat Tyson. And gave Lennox some though fights. But Tyson was way more exciting beating up tomatocans and b-fighters and an old and rusty ex-champ, And in Tyson´s so called ‘prime’ im not sure if Holyfield could have beaten him. I would syay Holyfield has the better legacy.Posted August 29, 2012 6:52 pm
Most folks need to consider both sides of the question. Surely when Mike Tyson was in the first couple years of his career, he brought great excitement to the ring. Let’s be frank here for a second: who would you rather be, Mike Tyson or the man who beat Mike Tyson? Both Holyfield & Tyson made a hundred million in the ring and lost most of it. Who would you rather be……?……Holyfield, a man widely loved and respected….or Mike Tyson, convicted rapist, borderline mentally retarded? I’d rather be Evander Holyfield; at least he won his last fight. Tyson lost his last fight to that bum: Kevin McBride.Posted August 29, 2012 5:41 pm
I understand Holyfield also earned more than Tyson. 3 fights vs Bowe, 2 vs Tyson, 2 vs Lewis… it adds up…Posted August 29, 2012 3:00 pm
Beer Party Movement
King david : its funny that because you live en one part of africa you would know what boxer are most known by people from the entire continent. ANd i could imagen that Sam Peter is very well known by people in Nigeria or Ayub Kalule by people in Uganda.Posted August 29, 2012 2:33 pm
WHY DID THEY BEAT HIM ..?????????Posted August 29, 2012 1:27 pm
Tyson was more exciting, with a more pleasing “super hero” (Hulk, if he had an adolescent stage) type style! With his limited upbringing and time he provided much more excitement! Holyfield was somewhat boring, but was intriguing due to that ‘never give up’ attitude. Overall, mentally Holyfield had the upper hand, while Tysons short reign was far more appealing and drama ridden!! Tyson “wins” with the little bit of confidence he grasped mentally from Cus! It was short lived but more concentrated, more breathtaking. Boxing was MUCH more mesmerizing and exciting for a time due to that one kid from Brooklyn.Posted August 29, 2012 1:00 pm
I remember, some people were afraid for Holyfield’s life when he fought Tyson… But Tyson wasn’t there mentally, the focus, timing, wasn’t there… He was fighting 1-2 rounds per year lolPosted August 29, 2012 12:56 pm
The Pinoy Pikey
Gold, Tyson was definately not an emotionally independent person, and was easily vulnerable to be taken advantage of by others.Posted August 29, 2012 11:57 am
Mike had the streets bring him up! Loving parents were not a part of his upbringing. Holyfield was poor, but had a loving caring household that added to his stability in life AND in the ring. Mike was a disaster waiting to happen – no foundation was involved. Cus gave him a taste of the closest thing to “real” family, but it couldnt have been real enough nor enduring enough, due to the fact he was a potential money cow requiring more training than nurturing…hence, Tyson metally fizzled, while Holyfield was a mentally stable dude that lost the big fights (some avenged) in brave fashion. I’ll ALWAYS prefer Tyson over Holyfield considering his LACK of upbringing and deviant childhood. I’ll judge this thing based on the most important aspect – mentals! Most importantly for the sport of boxing, 85 to 90% of success is in the mental aspect! Holyfield had the clear advantage mentally AND with the alleged PED use. Who knows if they were used against any of his opponents in his big fights. He always seemed to small to hang with those big guys, but surprisingly held his own. Only the religious Holyfield and the Highest Authority knows what really went down in those fights. I see the whole “success” thing as suspect. His “faithfullness” towards keeping it real will always be suspect.Posted August 29, 2012 11:48 am
Not Olympic test.Posted August 29, 2012 11:42 am
Well…Tyson and Ali both used psychological warfare effectively. Tyson had the style to beat Ali — a short powerful attacker who stays in your face and throws murderous short-armed combinations.. Michael Spinks was a great puncher as a light heavyweight—but as a 212-pound heavyweight, he didn’t have the power to hold Tyson off.. Holyfield, Douglas, and Lewis had the styles to beat Tyson any time they met.. The key was a combination of size, strength, punching power, skill, and a general distain for anyone who tries to use psychological warfare, trash talk, or intimidation … Ken Norton said, “Ali tries to psyche everyone out. That doesn’t work on fighters like me. If you can punch like an SOB that can be pretty scary, but trying to beat me with your mouth isn’t going to get the job done.”Posted August 29, 2012 11:32 am
The Tyson of 86 to 89 beats any heavy wieght in history, That’s why Lewis delayed his pro career to avoid the raging bull. Once Don king got a hold of Tyson it was over. Cus amato stated if he dosn’t have distraction Tyson will be the best Heavy Weight Champ ever unfortunatly he had distractions. To bad Cus died it would have been great if Cus had lived an extra 10 years. Tyson would have been in history books with greater achievement if that had happenPosted August 29, 2012 11:28 am
It helps when Lee cheeny is suppling you with RoidsPosted August 29, 2012 11:24 am
DuurrrrrrrpPosted August 29, 2012 11:23 am
On paper Holyfield has better resume but I say Tyson and why Holyfield needs an * asterik mark for being a steroid cheatPosted August 29, 2012 11:21 am
It’s Me, Ernie…
Sure, we will check with three fighters that didn’t want to win, just survive. Might as well throw Bonehugger Smith in there too. Great insight. :roll:Posted August 29, 2012 11:07 am
The Pinoy Pikey
Tark, absolutely. He not only defeated Michael Spink in the ring, but he also beat him out of the ring, before the fight ever started. As great as Ali was, many of his opponents wanted to be in that ring with him and couldn’t wait, despite losing!Posted August 29, 2012 10:40 am
Holyfield head butt
Holyfield is a cheater in the ring. Peds and Hopkins dirty tacticsPosted August 29, 2012 9:04 am
tyson is overrated ask tillis, green, and tuckerPosted August 29, 2012 8:18 am
weirdoPosted August 29, 2012 8:05 am
Tyson for me. People can pontificate all day long about the quality of opponents he fought but the guy was a still a KID when he won the title. This achievement is unsurpassed.
Unquestionably Holyfield went in against better men but we’re talking about legacy not résumé. Tyson made people who weren’t fight fans want to watch. Evander just didn’t have that allure.
Including the the Berbick fight he won 10 championship fights back to back in three years. Bare in mind Wlad has had 14 in 7 years, so Tyson kept pretty busy. Evander’s best sequence of victories in heavyweight title fights is four. Ultimately and unlike Mike, throughout the majority of Evander’s peak years at heavyweight he wasn’t the best in his division. Bowe and then Lewis were simply better than him.Posted August 29, 2012 7:56 am
Exactly, that’s why Tyson made more title defenses than Holy.
Fighters age at different paces, Tyson was on drugs and alcohol and he had spent 4 years on a prison.
Kenny you said that Tyson never faced real fighters, so care to explain the following:
42 yr old shot Holmes takes Holyfield the distance and wins several rounds.
Stewart gave Holyfield hell in their first fight and goes 12 in their 2nd. Tyson flattens him in one.
Thomas- Tyson fought a prime Thomas, and he destroyed him easily, 6 rounds. Bowe in 1990 needed 8 rounds to ko a shot Thomas.
Holy the real man who fought real fighters needed 8 rounds to beat a shot fat Thomas who accepted to fight on short notice.
Explain why Holyfield ducked a prime undefeated Tucker.
What about Holyfield? How many prime HOf’ers did he beat?
It is not an excuse. Holyfield is the one giving excuses all the time.
Sure, he was in his prime after 4 years in prison.Posted August 29, 2012 7:03 am
There is no way Holyfield defeated Lewis in the 2nd fight. No way!
Holyfield is the one making excuses all the time.
He was sick in the first fight against Lewis, but, nobody forced him to fight.
He executed a bad plan in the first fight vs Bowe.
How many excuses can he make?
Kenny Weldon you are lying.
I don’t know what do you mean by Tyson style.
There is no Tyson style! There is a Cus D’ Amato style, a system that you obviously don’t understand.
Tyson stopped using Cus style when he left Rooney and that is a fact.
I’m challenging you here to bring any fighter trained by yourself to Catskill and you are going to prove how do you
It seems no one can fight off the ropes and in corners except the fighters trained by yourself.
Cus D’ Amato must have been the dumbest trainer of all time… oh wait he was the best of all time and nobody is even close to him.
Holy was butting Tyson and that is fact.
Excuses? There are no excuses.
His buddy Mills Lane let him do what the hell he wanted and he felt protected.
At least you could be honest and assume what Holy was doing, because, all the fighters complained about Holy headbutts as well.
Tyson hurt Holyfield in the third round with a left hook and Holy slapped Tyson in the face, because, he was getting desperate, he lost his technique.Posted August 29, 2012 5:44 am
I’m living in africa, tyson is the most popular boxer here, even people in interior villages know him by name and they dont know any other boxer…, the second one is holyfield then ali, many non-boxing fan(boxing has no popularity in africa) they know only these three boxers, but indegineous people who living primitive lyf they only know tyson, even if they never watch television.Posted August 29, 2012 4:43 am
Sorry,… They only “know” tyson…Posted August 29, 2012 4:36 am
I’m living in africa, tyson is the most popular boxer here, even people in interior villages now him by name and they dont know any other boxer…, the second one is holyfield then ali, many non-boxing fan(boxing has no popularity in africa) they know only these three boxers, but indegineous people who living primitive lyf they only no tyson, even if they never watch television.Posted August 29, 2012 4:30 am
Holyfield was the greater fighter EASILY. People talk about Mike Tyson’s ‘prime’. When the hell was this ‘prime’? Lest you forget, Holyfield was older than him when they met and he beat him handily twice. The headbutt excuse is just that, an excuse. I’ll go with the boxer (Holyfield) who had an actual career rather than the guy who had a two year ‘prime’.Posted August 29, 2012 3:47 am
Matt from Sidney…. great post….Mike is my all time favorite, not only because he’s from my borough, but due to the sheer excitement he brought to the game. I STILL believe he could have given anybody, including Lennox & Holyfield a much better fight in his prime. Mike had the ability to make an impressionable kid feel that he (Mike) could beat or expose any fighter if given the chance, because he’d move so fast, gracefully and powerfully. Just watching him train was exciting. You’d imagine he could devise some sort of strategy with the tools he had, ESPECIALLY if Cus, Rooney or both was in his corner! Sadly he had some inner demons he couldnt rid himself of; and fighting in the ring was not the therapy he needed.Posted August 29, 2012 3:32 am
Big Rich….WELL SAID!!! couldn’t agree more!!Posted August 29, 2012 3:08 am
Those headbutts by Holyfield were truly amazing. Holyfield AND Lewis both beat up on a shell of a confused man, a man that couldnt find himself when he got out of jail. With the exception of Holyfield cracking the shell with some devastating religious headbutts. It was sad to hear that the ref committed suicide. If Holyfield never rammed that alien like block into Mike….there may have been a different outcome. That lurch-like slow jab that Lennox kept throwing that night against Mike wouldve been countered with ease with Cus & Rooney in a prime Mikes corner! Holyfields claim to fame is Mike. The Bowe trilogy was great, but it was Mike that made Holyfield feel like he “reached” the pinnacle of his career! At a point it was all he ever could talk about. He probably talked to himself in the shower about it, hoping it could somehow bring in money. Those 2 guys beat up on a shell, nothing more, nothing less. Emanual Steward shouldve taken a crack at Mike, he would have won too. Harrold Letterman and Jim Lampley couldv coached Larry Merchant to victory! Oh…the agony of it all :sad: Anyway, recently the most important thing has occurred for Mike, he’s received some peace of mind! which is far more important than knocking someone upside his head!Posted August 29, 2012 3:04 am
James I think you said it yourself, sometimes it doesn’t matter what someone has acheived in terms of titles e.g. Earnie Shavers! It is the impact they make… John Scully said it the other day, when Tyson was in his prime, you just couldn’t imagine him losing, he had the aura that he was going to destroy everyone and we wanted to see it.
I think everyone knew the answer to this question after they fought in 96-97′. Those where the hugest fights of the 90′s and it determined who the man was of the 90′s. Holyfield fought everyone and beat all the hw’s he fought in his prime, including Lewis in the second fight. The quality of opponents and Holyfields ability to overcome adversity sets him apart from Tyson. Long-term, the isn’t much comparison.Posted August 29, 2012 2:33 am
A slick headbutt can get you a win. Just ask Ward. When you fight an attacker like Tyson, and you don’t have an overwhelming height, size, and strength advantage, and you have Holyfield’s spindly legs, putting a head on Mike is mandatory because he’s right in your face… Holyfield gave Rahman a head knock and Hasim grew another head out of his forehead. Amazing.Posted August 29, 2012 2:11 am
I hate when people say holyfield beat Tyson. Holy beat Tyson by head butts. Watch the FIGHT ! just like Bernard Hopkins beat Winky Wright or Trinidad. Head butts —– WATCH THE FIGHTPosted August 29, 2012 1:51 am
Cotto lost once
Disagree, Tyson was insane in his prime. A short prime it was because of King, Givens and the rest of the boys. I mean it all ends with him. He let it happen and fell for it. But was a vulnerable young guy who got steamrolled with fame and money. But you say styles make fights which is true. And exactly why Holyfied would fall to Tyson’s power. Because he would end up fighting him not boxing him. I’m talking the Tyson of ’86-’89.Posted August 28, 2012 11:23 pm
But Mike would never have beaten Evander. Styles make fights.Posted August 28, 2012 11:02 pm
Tyson also beat HOFer Michael Spinks — who was only the greatest LHW of all time and undefeated light heavyweight and heavyweight champion when he met Mike… Michael Spinks never lost in his entire career except for his fight with Iron Mike Tyson.Posted August 28, 2012 11:00 pm
Cotto lost once
When Tyson fought Holyfield he wasn’t the same fighter who fought Berbick, Biggs, Holmes, Tubbs, Spinks. Nor even the Tyson who flattened Stewart, and whipped a fresh, prime Ruddock. King, Givens, and Tyson’s “friends” saw to that.
Maybe you don’t remember there first fight, when Holyfield was considered washed up after the Bowe fight and Tyson was still in his “prime”. Holyfield whooped him and if they fought 100 times he would have won 100 times.Posted August 28, 2012 10:27 pm
Thank you!!! I was waiting for a sensible comment. This article should not have been published. Holyfield was one of the greatest of all time. Tyson was a good puncher and that is it!!Posted August 28, 2012 10:24 pm
Undisputed heavyweight champ at 20 years old says it all.Posted August 28, 2012 10:17 pm
Holyfield’s losses to Bowe were more a case of styles making fights than Bowe being a heavyweight great himself. The first Time Bowe faced a good big heavyweight that could punch was Andrew Golota, and he got his ass handed to him. Bowe was steered away from good big men that could punch( Lewis, Ruddock, Bruno, Foreman ect…). Holyfield was tough, and had good skills but lacked explosive power, and Bowe (Eddi Futch really) knew how to get Evander out of his game plan and exploit his weakness.Posted August 28, 2012 9:54 pm
Tyson was always one punch away from victory. Holyfield had the better overall skill set, and slightly better chin. Tyson’s legacy Will stand out more than Evander’s simple because of the kind of fighter he was. Holyfield was a “ham and egger.” He always came in prepared for a tough fight, and gave his best. Contrastly, Iron Mike destroyed opponets. For his style/physeque Tyson was the ultimate knock out puncher.Posted August 28, 2012 9:46 pm
The Pinoy Pikey
In my opinion, if the following experiences/happening didn’t take place in Mike Tyson’s life, then Mr. Slater would be writing about were Mike Tyson rates as the greatest heavywieght of all time:
Cus D’amato passing away shortly after Tyson caputes tite; marraige to Robin Givens, Rape charges and subsequent incareration; reborn into the Nation of Islam and last but not least; his affiliation with Don King: if these events did not take place in Mike Tyson’s life–??????Posted August 28, 2012 8:38 pm
Prime Holyfield v Prime Tyson, Tyson would of won, too fast and powerful puncher.Posted August 28, 2012 8:01 pm
I don’t argue. Holyfield carried himself as a Christian through and through, but was dirty as hell. That does not take away from many of his achievements however. The 2nd fight with Tyson was clothed porn. He just wouldn’t let go. Good tactics for a Holy fan, but not for boxing. Still no excuse whatsoever for what Tyson did. Evander just wasn’t explosive. Same as the K-Bros, dominant, but dull. Props to these guys, they may not entertain and grip public interest, but they were/are efficient.
P.S. Holyfield was most certainly more interesting than the K’s.Posted August 28, 2012 7:59 pm
Holyfield was taking PEDS during his career and was probably taking them when he fought Tyson,this should be mentioned,Hoyfield was a good fighter though.Posted August 28, 2012 7:59 pm
I think there are some here that are confused by the term legacy and resume.
Legacy = Tyson by far he will be remembered forever by people from all walks of life.
Resume = Holyfield as he simply achieved more within the sport. Tyson only beat one aging HOf’er in Larry Holmes.Posted August 28, 2012 7:29 pm
Fairly lame excuse…..but we do understand the need.Posted August 28, 2012 6:55 pm
I agrre with most of your post Holy never got up from a KO but in Round 10 1st fight against Bowe he was out on his feet and almost came back to win the round. He showed Great Recoup there and Heart.Posted August 28, 2012 6:45 pm
There is a good story about Angelo Dundee at kenny weldon’s Neutral Corner…..God bless…..kenny weldonPosted August 28, 2012 6:41 pm
Ho never made excuses .He beat Tyson because he had a perfect plan to beat him and Holy was never afraid of Tyson.He had sparred him in the amateurs and had no problems with him.Tysons style is easy to beat by a complete fighter.Mike could not fight off the ropes and in corners.He had no power in either and getting under him and bumping him up with Holys shoulders was easy.What Tyson fans on this blog say is Holy was butting Tyson.Holy was merely rolling his head accross Tysons forward flow and Mike was falling forward into him.That is the fault of the guy on the ropes.Excuses are easy to make following fights.I have made a few myself at times.Holy could fight Mike ten times and beat him ten times. Boxers get beat by what they can not do. There was very little Holy could not do,and those were the result of injuries.He had all the weapons and how and when to use them.No one boxer is perfect,but he came mighty close quite a few times……God bless…..kenny weldonPosted August 28, 2012 6:36 pm
By the way, I do slightly think Tyson was edging the rematch, therefore I don’t fully recognise the fact that he ‘lost’. He beat himself out of it, so no two wins for Holyfield as such. We never got the chance to see for certain, lost to us forever.Posted August 28, 2012 6:21 pm
Absolutely agree 110%. It’s like Hollywood, who is the next James Dean? Never will be one. Marilyn? Same. His impact saved the heavyweight division, as we are always asking where the next Tyson is going to come from to light up the division. We will never ask ‘where’s the next Holyfield?’ no matter how impressive his talent and heart was/is. No disrespect Evander. Without Tyson we would be looking directly back at Ali.Posted August 28, 2012 6:15 pm
Holyfields legacy ranks way higher than TysonsPosted August 28, 2012 6:03 pm
“Great boxers like Tunney, Wlad and Holmes are remembered…but IMO heavyweight killers like Marciano, Dempsey and Tyson are the stuff of legend.” – Cosign Popkins.Posted August 28, 2012 5:59 pm
Holyfield ranks much higher and it ain’t even close.Posted August 28, 2012 5:30 pm
If Tyson and Holyfield had met in the late 80s, Holyfield’s courage would have gotten him killed. However, his legacy was longer, but not as memorable as Tyson’s.Posted August 28, 2012 5:30 pm
Tyson was better loved by the fans, and has more friends than Holyfield… Dempsey was the greatest drawing card of all time at heavyweight, and Tyson is the 2nd greatest drawing card ever at heavyweight… Tunney boxed Dempsey’s ears off. Tunney was a superb boxer and Dempsey wasn’t even a good boxer. Dempsey was a raw walk-in slugger–but the fans loved Dempsey and hated the smug, conceited Tunney.. Will Rodgers joked about Tunney, “Lets have prize fighters with harder wallops and less Shakespeare.” … For the same reasons, but not as extreme, Tyson was, and is, more “fan friendly” than Holyfield… A successful gambler told me years ago.. “The odds on an extremely popular boxer are often unhinged from reality.. That’s where you find the best bets and can reel in the dough.”Posted August 28, 2012 5:20 pm
Great Point..Posted August 28, 2012 5:16 pm
I agree with the assessment made until it comes to legnth of time at the top. I feel this is an unfair catagory to compare simply because Tyson had done 4 years in jail. I’d also disagree that Holyfield was more washed up than Mike when they met. Lot’s of fans FELT that way because Holyfield had recently lost to Bowe and Moorer and had a contrevesial win over Mercer. In hindsight we now know that Evander lost to Moorer and Bowe due to medical conditions. This made it seem as if Evander was done, but we now know that was a mistake. In fact Evander didn’t give up the title until he fought Lennox and even after that, he went on to beat Ruiz and Rahman. I personally think Tyson was the better talent and had a bigger impact on boxing, but Holyfield was definitely more accomplished in the sport.Posted August 28, 2012 4:48 pm
When properly trained and motivated (ala Kevin Rooney era), Tyson was the better fighter, but Holyfield had the better in-ring legacy.
This is easy.Tyson has the greater legacy. Legacy means what you left behind when you retire and what Tyson left behind was – influence.All one has to do is look around the boxing world today and you will clearly see that Tyson has had more of an influence on young boxers and the sport than Mr. Holyfield.Tyson had more of an impact on the sport and his influence goes beyond the collection of wins and losses, and other scientific data that is relative to boxing.Tyson transcended the sport and that goes beyond wins and losses. He still has widespread popularity and is in demand for movies, interviews,reality TV series and recently on broadway. Holyfield, on the otherhand attended the London Olympics and the media didn`t even recognize him.Posted August 28, 2012 4:24 pm
Of course Tyson, Holyfield’s legacy was just headbuttin Tyson into oblivionPosted August 28, 2012 4:24 pm
No one, they both messedup their boxing career.Posted August 28, 2012 4:22 pm
Holyfield was truly committed to what he was doing and grew and made himself into an all time great heavyweight, superb determination very rarely seen. Tyson when he first emerged was probably the most exciting fighter to watch ever. When all is said and done, it would have to be Holyfield, I just wished he would stop.Posted August 28, 2012 4:17 pm
Gonzo The Dragonborn
Who deleted my bloody comment? Industrial amounts of illegal PEDs were found in the possession of a certain Evan Fields who just so happened to share the same birth date as Evander, the same address, and when the FEDs phoned the number Mr. Fields gave his suppliers guess who answered the phone? OK, I’ll revise my original post. Evander was allegedly on the juice.Posted August 28, 2012 3:51 pm
Holyfield would have beaten a prime Mike? What are you smoking?Posted August 28, 2012 3:47 pm
puglife looks like we are on the same page. its pretty obvious to me the better legacy as a boxer goes to the more accomplished and better boxer. hands down holyfield. no debate necessary.Posted August 28, 2012 3:47 pm
Bowe beat Holyfield twice — and nobody puts Bowe up over Holyfield — mostly because Bowe was a coward who refused to fight Lewis, who knocked Bowe out in amateur competition. But the author of this story is right. Holyfield was a better heavyweight. I always knew Tyson was going to have trouble with big, tall, strong, fast, young guys with good boxing skills. The Tony Tucker fight showed you all you needed to know about that. I knew he’d have more trouble with Douglas than he had with Tucker, because Douglas was an underrated boxer and puncher with very good size (6’4″X232).. Buster was big, tall, fast, skilled, and powerful. Buster could hit. He could go upstairs, downstairs, and fight inside and outside.. When Douglas was properly motivated and confident of victory, he was a tough package to deal with. He KNEW he could beat Tyson, and that’s a big advantage to have …. But Buster Douglas was afraid of Holyfield — just like Tyson was intimidated by Holyfield …. Holyfield was 6’2″X218 when he faced Tyson.. Evander was an incredibly strong and well conditioned athlete. The odds for that fight, and idea that Tyson was going to run over Evander, were ridiculous jokes to Holyfield.. “I’m really insulted.. I blew out Douglas in 3 rounds and he gave Tyson the beating of his living life.. So why in Hell are the oddsmakers so stupid as to make Mike a 15-1 favorite? They already know Mike is not invincible …. Some people learn real slow.”Posted August 28, 2012 3:29 pm
It’s pretty simple, in spite of some of the comments on here. Holyfield’s legacy is superior (see Fate1 below for more). Real, knowledgeable boxing fans know this. Casual fans think Tyson has the greater legacy. Tyson in his prime was something to see but Holyfield would have beat him then, too, had they fought. Holyfield’s the better all around fighter and his accomplishments demonstrate that. Tyson was a pop cultural phenomenon. If we’re talking boxing legacy, it’s Holyfield hands down. If we’re talking legacy in a wider sense, including impact on pop culture, then Tyson clearly is more well known and will be more remembered.Posted August 28, 2012 3:15 pm
It’s Me, Ernie…
I am a fan of both. I do believe Iron Mike was fearful of Evander throughout the years. As an amateur, Evander truly was a force with no quit in him. Always in top shape and ready to fight.Posted August 28, 2012 3:08 pm
As always this article is full of lies from a known Tyson hater named Slater.
Tyson made 10 title defenses and Holyfield only 7.
And contrary to what this poor fanatic is trying to imply, Tyson didn’t start getting hit when his foes became less and less afraid of him. That’s your typical lying Goebbels propaganda.
Tyson got hit more and more because he wasn’t training hard anymore and because, he left his coach Kevin Rooney.
It is funny how you always refused to interview Kevin or anyone from his entourage.
Nobody knows what do you mean by remaining more time at the top when Holyfield made less title defenses than Tyson, plus, he was destroyed twice by Bowe, one of them by a vicious ko.
You forgot to say that Tyson was in jail almost 4 years and so much inactivity destroys any boxer. Tyson was by far the one in worse condition when they fought.
Spare us of your analysis. A person who lies to win an argument has no place in a debate.
Tell me a fight against a world class fighter where Holyfield
One thing I will say, and this is after many years of reflection and a brief amateur boxing career myself as well as reviewing the fight several times, is that Evander Holyfield deserved to have that portion of his ear bitten off by Tyson. The head butts in that fight were horrible and intentional. Also they were very affective. He was an expert at the head butt and if the ref isn’t going to do anything about it what was Tyson left to do? I assume most people would retaliate with low blows. However, I think consecutive head butts are much more evenly repaid by having a portion of your ear removed. Fair is Fair. Having said that, Holyfield has the better legacy but Tyson will always be remembered.Posted August 28, 2012 3:03 pm
When I’m telling my grand kids about fighters from my era, it’ll be Tyson they’re more interested in.Posted August 28, 2012 2:59 pm
There are many heavyweights that have a more decorated resume than Mike’s. But Tyson’s “legacy” will be longer lasting than guys like Holyfield, Lewis, Wlad and Vitali. Great boxers like Tunney, Wlad and Holmes are remembered…but IMO heavyweight killers like Marciano, Dempsey and Tyson are the stuff of legend.Posted August 28, 2012 2:56 pm
Come on this is not a debate. Obviously Holyfield has the better legacy all the way around. Holyfield was an Olympic medalist, cruiser weight (undisputed ), and multiple heavy weight champion for many more years then Tyson . I’ll remind you all as well that it was Holyfield who won both fights convincingly. Anyone with any boxing knowledge will tell you the same. Holyfield is one of the greatest boxers pound 4 pound. This debate is done.Posted August 28, 2012 2:53 pm
Tyson’s career from 1986 to 1990 is legendary. Heavyweight champ at 20 years old, unifying the division when it was becoming dull, and winning most of his fights in brutal, knockout fashion. The late 80′s Iron Mike is comparable with the likes of Dempsey, Marciano and Frazier….and those guys are legends too.Posted August 28, 2012 2:49 pm
holyfield was the superior in all departments .tyson had good power .evander had tysons number everytimePosted August 28, 2012 2:45 pm
I disagree that Holyield was further past his prime than Tyson when they met. People have to remember that activity is still key. Yes, 3 years away can help prevent damage but it also allows for rust; especially when you are in jail. His mind alone had changed in jail which is why a lot o people like Emanuel Steward didn’t think Tyson could come back. And how much of fighting is Mental? Tyson never had “it” after prison.
And from a Technical stand-point, Holyfield was keeping sharp while Tyson’s technical ability was no longer there. It hadn’t been there since Spinks. Even against Ruddock, a fight where he got himself back in physical shape, he wasn’t there from a technical side: He wasn’t moving his head like he used to, wasn’t staying in motion, he wasn’t throwing sound combinations to key areas like he used to and so on.
So in the end, you take the more active fighter.
Holyield also said a key thing about Tyson that Scully mentioned in his interview about Tyson vs. McNeely: Holyield said Tyson hadn’t been hit hard yet. Yes, he was in boxing matches leading up to Holyfield but Holyield noted that these guys weren’t able to put anything on him. And when you are not used to the hits, used to the punishment any more, you are more susceptible to losing quicker.
But yes, Both of them were past their best. The First fight especially was sad to watch.
Holyfield is a tremendous warrior. Win or Lose, he did some inspiring things in his matches.Posted August 28, 2012 2:45 pm
I’m gonna go with Tyson. When he came up he was doing things that were just unbelievable. Granted, he flamed out quick, but it is better to burn out than fade away. Holyfield continuing to fight is just beyond pathetic and he has pretty much used up all of the good will I had towards him. Not saying he was not an incredible warrior in his day, but his day is so far gone it is ridiculous and embarrasing to watch. Tyson’s fame also drarfs Evanders today so Mike gets my votePosted August 28, 2012 2:40 pm
Evander Holyfield said Tyson actually inspired him to move up to the Heavyweight division because he saw this small guy destroying these big guys.Posted August 28, 2012 2:38 pm
I think of them as on the same level. Tyson lags wins over big good men but was the youngste champ ever. Holy has to win over Mike and had durability. Two greats.Posted August 28, 2012 2:34 pm