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Kenny Welldone says : ” I understand perfectly , always have … I ‘m basicaly saying , the rule changes hurt the USA
more than any other county . Also too
( Also too ??? ) , we don’t need to make this a social thing , but one with rules
that are best for our boxers when they turn proffessional .”
” Progress is already hard “… ” In order to go forward as a country
it might be best to go Back to the future …” ” There
has been no growth in skills in many years “…. ” Gold medals are getting more rare every day “…. WOW !

Posted September 2, 2012 11:04 am 


z h

bernard taylor was a great amauter boxer whould have won gold in moscow if usa did not boycot the moscow olympics surprised manny does not mention him

Posted September 1, 2012 9:47 am 


Dock

I’ve been a professional ref for 10 years and the Leonard-Hearns fight is my favorite. The stoppage was appropriate, by one of the finest, most underrated officials in history, Davey Pearl.

Posted August 31, 2012 7:15 pm 


flash knock down

I am not a fan of Manny Stewards but I will never take away a guys abilitys just because I don’t care for him. When Manny was training kids in Detroit he was one of the best amature trainers in the world. After Manny all the success in the amatures everyone wanted him to train them . As a trainer my self it is imposible to train more than three champions at a time it takes a lot of time and engery to train one world class fighter. Manny has a gravy train with the Klitschko brother. Manny knows that this guy is not that good but the way the game is to day he is just taking the money like everyone else.Manny is as good or better than anyone else who has ever lived as far as being a trainer. I am sticking to the facts about what he has done as a trainer in this sport.

Posted August 31, 2012 2:27 pm 


TARK

There is no evidence whatever that Bernard Hopkins ever took PED’s. He’s the cleanest liver out there. And when have you seen any referee take points from Hopkins for dirty fighting? Lennox Lewis was admonished by the referee many times in the Tyson fight, and eventually point deducted for fouling. Lewis has a history of holding and hittng, hitting with the inside of the glove, and other fouls. Holyfield, another fighter Steward, has a long history of headbutting. The idea that Steward wouldn’t associate himself with Hopkins is stupid. Hopkins won more world title fights than any boxer Steward ever trained. Hopkins has more successful title defenses than any other middleweight champion in history, and has beaten four (4) world light heavyweight champions. Not bad for a guy who fought at 160 until he was 41 years old. Steward has nothing but admiration for Hopkins.

Posted August 31, 2012 12:44 pm 


K2Fan

It’s pretty amazing , how a well expressed , knowlegeable opinion ,
can evoke such a volitile , angry , personal response . It’ not like Tark insulted your mother . In any case , I would much rather accept or reject comments by Tark , based on MY own
judgement , than waste my time reading insulting drivel , by someone
calling himself ” russian Tyson ” .

Posted August 31, 2012 9:55 am 


Hidalgo

“Nowadays….Mr Angelo Dundee isn’t active as a trainer anymore.” Because he’s dead, maybe?

Posted August 31, 2012 1:19 am 


Hidalgo

“but I tell his fighters often when I see them. I say, “If you can ever get some tapes and watch your trainer when he was boxing, you will see what a beautiful boxing machine is supposed to look like”. Helluva compliment to Ronnie Shields.

Posted August 31, 2012 1:14 am 


B Red

JoeKidd Stfu :evil:

Posted August 30, 2012 11:12 pm 


B Red

fasho

Posted August 30, 2012 11:01 pm 


B Red

Tark , You are a hater period. You always hate on great legends

Posted August 30, 2012 10:34 pm 


bikermike

famous….if not good …trainers all suffer from the same thing

Most of you guys know about Freddie Roach…….after he could no longer fight. …medical reasons…he decided to train other fighters….Not right away….but he got reemed so long working for others…he decided to open up a gym by himself.

Starved to death …slept on the floor out back of the gym….and gradually ..built himself up to where he is today…as he was a serious guy..and he was at work every day…and he had talent and could pass it on. His fighters began to get better….and his fees began to actually get paid regularly….and the rest is history.

Ray Arcel….Bouie Fischer…Eddie Futch. Dundee brothers…,and of course Manny Steward..and many other GREAT TRAINERS…..got to be known…and they then…like lawyers or plumbers and contracters….over booked themselves at inflated prices…and called themselves ….consultants….rather than do what a trainer charges for..

Wake up and be with for the first workout…and the second…….and if necessary the third workout a day….A good trainer knows if his guy is doing roadwork. Whoever is collecting money to ‘train ‘ Solis…is stealing

Posted August 30, 2012 8:20 pm 


Big T

Emanuel is a great but he has fallen into the trap. He thinks that he knows better than anyone and firstly he is wrong with the lack of basics thing. My old club wont let you near a pad or ring until you have learnt the fundamentals. Some of us still try and do it right!!

Posted August 30, 2012 8:19 pm 


bikermike

Still…..at the end of the day…..aside from manny screwing up on the biggest Welterweight Fight of all modern time by bringing Hearns..all six foot plus of him…in at 145…..and the high fee he charged…until somebody took him for a hike(read Holyfield)…..Manny is a much better spokes person for trainer than …..say …the pbf braintrust..

But if I wanna hear a trainer’s perspective…without prejudice….let me hear Angelo Dundee’s view. …..with over fifty years of dedication to his profession….he…and his brother/God rest his soul….did the thing from scratch and nothing…just like Freddie Roach…’cept Roach had a record as a top fighter at one time.

Dundee brothers are what drew guys like Cassius Clay…and all the guys before and after him…to Dundees’ gym

Ali wasn’t the only champion the Dundee lads helped prepare…..but he was definately the most famous.

Nowadays….Mr Angelo Dundee isn’t active as a trainer anymore. I’d like to hear his views…..on anything except toilet paper

Posted August 30, 2012 7:43 pm 


philly shell

Steward’s best fighters always seem to be the guys who are tall for their divisions like Klitschko and Hearns.. He seems to know how to teach tall fighters to fight tall, be defensive minded, and work behind the jab like Lennox Lewis… Not sure what point I’m making, but good interview, entertaining read, thanks!

Posted August 30, 2012 7:19 pm 


TARK

Russian… It’s good for you to concentrate on my posts, since you have no thoughts of your own to express in your fumbling style. I gave Steward his props, he’s a lot smarter and more successful than slugs like you.

Posted August 30, 2012 7:15 pm 


The Russian Tyson

This is an exceptionally good article.Unlike crazy, lunatic and laughable Tark with his loony twisting of the boxrec data that he slavishly collects everyday to try and impres people,Steward has a accurate,correct and encyclopedic mind and understanding of the many aspects of boxing.How many champions have you trained Tark ? None. It is preposterous and laughable that you would delusionally think like a madman that you would know more about boxing than Steward. Tark , get a grip,you are out of touch with reality.Your a hypocrite.How can you try to give advice and correction to innocent posters on ESB who don`t need it when you need advice and correction to stop hypocritically contradicting yourself.

Posted August 30, 2012 6:59 pm 


bikermike

Mr Weldon….I knew about you before I ever posted on ESB….you are a very well thought of Boxing guy….who has…like all of us….TOOK THE BLOWS…in and outside the ring…

I wish we could clean Boxing up….any ideas ??

Posted August 30, 2012 6:32 pm 


bikermike

I always have time to read your posts …KENNY WELDON…and we have seen lots of ‘dirt’ in the transition of Athletes from Amateur to Professional….

I’m not sure what the solution is…but it is fair to say we know that there is a problem

Posted August 30, 2012 6:29 pm 


TARK

@JoeKidd… Steward has had a ton of success—but he’s also gotten more highly favored world champions KO’d than anybody else — Tommy Hearns vs Iran Barkely… Lennox Lewis vs Hasim Rahman… Vivian Harris vs Carlos Maussa… Wladimir Klitschko vs Lamon Brewster… Jermain Taylor vs Kelly Pavlik … And you’re right, Manny urge Hearns to come out smoking vs Hagler—exactly what Hagler wanted. Steward also screamed at Lennox Lewis to “GET RID” of Tyson.. “Get this MFer OUT OF HERE NOW he’s DANGEROUS.” You can go to YouTube and see him screaming at Lewis to go for the KO right away. Lewis was used to this admonition by Steward and just relaxed and followed his own instincts.. When reporters asked Lewis why he didn’t go after Tyson early like Steward wanted, Lewis said, “I didn’t need to do that. Tyson is a great puncher, so I wanted to soften him up with the jab for a few more rounds.”

Posted August 30, 2012 6:11 pm 


bikermike

how Patterson avoided that destruction move from CHuvalo…you have to see yourself….youtube

Even …years past his prime….George Foreman took on Chuvalo…that left hook to the body gave Foreman grief….also youtube

Posted August 30, 2012 6:04 pm 


bikermike

chuvalo had the best left hook to the body since Ruby ‘BOB’ Fitzimmons….who nailed Gentlemen Jim COrbett with that punch…and Corbett folded like one of those http://www.hustleroutfits.com…from the nineties

Posted August 30, 2012 6:01 pm 


bikermike

check Chuvalo Patterson on youtube…..that was like two guys fighting over a woman with a big inheritance…..

seriously…power skill over quickness and skill…Me ..being a cult Chuvalo guy…..I had to admit Patterson won……Floyd Patterson……another Cus de Mato guy……was a brilliant fighter …due to his Amateur program

Posted August 30, 2012 5:57 pm 


bikermike

Tark….just admit some of your comments may be ……mis worded…..as what you wrote…seems to defy logic..history …and facts

Posted August 30, 2012 5:54 pm 


TARK

Weldon…. Why don’t you address my entire Pernell Whitaker post point by point — instead of launching ad hominem attacks like you always do because you can’t get your brain in gear. You’re very poor at articulating a point so you get nasty, like a politician who has no ideas of his own so he slings mud.

Posted August 30, 2012 5:49 pm 


bikermike

steward is media savy …and has been around for a while…..I say Angelo Dundee is the guy to talk to………..respectfully

Posted August 30, 2012 5:48 pm 


bikermike

amateur boxing was something for me….as I joined when I was 27 yrs old.

I thought I knew how to fight…but I kept getting cleaned by these boxing guys….the kung fu karate judo guys I could handle …as I used my head and teeth…and broke fingers and throat stategies..leg and arm bending with lots of kick stuff…..but boxers…could stay away and give me punishment.

I lost my first seventeen fights……but …I was determined to learn and apply….I won some fights at the end of my brief but dim career

..and I have loved boxing ever since……..kind of like BILLY JACK…but for real
nothing beats a good punch landed..and good defence to avoid punishment….BOXING..will give you that…even in an alley fight…if you are on your feet

Posted August 30, 2012 5:46 pm 


bikermike

JoeKidd…..was it beta or vhs that was the BEST…..??? all we know is …that VHS became the most successful…. Was it the best…or just the most successful…

First electric car was in the 1910’s….get it……best is one thing…successful another

Posted August 30, 2012 5:38 pm 


bikermike

in football…Not the north american type…but maybe both versions…hockey , baseball…track and field…skiing….basketball..even wrestling and weightlifting…….there is a progression from high school coach…club coach..to higher competiton..and higher level of effort…more sophistication and strategy…higher fitness requirements.

……Good athletes are always saying good bye to coaches……EXCEPT BOXING In Boxing …more than any other sport….a promising career has been crippled because that club coach wants to tag along

Posted August 30, 2012 5:09 pm 


JoeKidd

Steward does overthink for his boxer. He had the massive Lennox Lewis try to outbox Holyfield. Then Hearns tried to outpunch Hagler and outbox Leonard. Strange stuff. But overall, you can’t argue with success.

Posted August 30, 2012 5:06 pm 


JoeKidd

Skilled defensive pot-shotting boxer. “Lucky” to get KO’s. Relies on his opponent for an attractive fight.

Posted August 30, 2012 5:03 pm 


bikermike

Tark…

it is true that Steward fkd up …big time…with Thomas Hearns biggest fight of his life……he brought him in two pounds under the 147 weight…and never accepted the responsibilty for that.

Steward ..at the time , took fifty percent of his fighters’ purse.

When he came to Evander Holyfield’s camp…..and tried to slide that agreement into the contract……..Holyfield sent him packing…….I wonder how Klitschko is dealing with that.?…….betcha five pounds it isn’t a percentage….it is a flat fee. Klitschko boys didn’t come down the river on a raft full of turnips….these guys got education and good advisors. Ain’t like hustling a bunch of street kids in the Kronk anymore

Posted August 30, 2012 5:02 pm 


bikermike

to grow the sport of Boxing…you must adopt the art of inclusion…..not cacoon.
Coaches and officials don’t want a lot of new folks…….might interfere with their international trips….

Canada suffers drastically from this …’ME FIRST’ system. In many Provinces…the same level 4 officials that were there in 1974…are still there…and nobody to replace them…

because of so few officials….we can only have one boxing match a week….if that…..

to survive …we have to grow…to grow..we must recruit and develop
It will make it much easier to get sponsors….

Posted August 30, 2012 4:54 pm 


pugfan

amateur boxing kind of sounds like the pro’s now in the sense that every one is a champion.

Posted August 30, 2012 4:48 pm 


TARK

Steward screwed up even worse than that bikermike… Steward brought a faulty scale into training camp for Hearns to weigh on.. The scale was 6 pounds off.. Hearns was finding it impossible to make the weight, but Steward kept saying, “There’s nothing magic to it. You just eat less and train harder…and stop taking so many liquids.” The morning of the weigh-in Hearns finally weighed on another scale and found out he weighed 141. Hearns actually had to take liquids to bring him up to 145 for the weigh-in or Leonard would have jumped on him at the bell. As it was Hearns was the skinniest of his career. The skinniest thing ever seen in a boxing ring. It looked like a soft breeze would send him flying like dandelion fluff.

Posted August 30, 2012 4:45 pm 


bikermike

To sort out our respective country’s amateur programs …is the first step to sorting out some of the Professional sport’s problems.

The Promoters succeed due to our infighting and lack of communication and common purpose.

Club Coaches are the building blocks of the Sport…….true..but Club Coaches are also the biggest problem BOXING HAS…as they only seek higher office to advance the boxers in their clubs

Posted August 30, 2012 4:44 pm 


bikermike

Well said Kenny Weldon
I have been involved with amateur Boxing since 1974……and believe me…as an organization…it is a basket case in Canada….except , perhaps in the Province of Quebec. Those boys know how to ‘run a railroad’. Each weekend….there may be as many as seven shows across the Province going on at the same time. They have enough officials …GOOD OFFICIALS…to keep this pace up. Most ….if not all the clubs are sponsored by firms or service clubs……and travel is not an issue.

Further…they have an established protocol to get onto the Provincial Team…..who will pay for them to get to USA Eastern seaboard communities….New York, Philidelphia…and like that…..all within five hundred miles from Quebec.

These guys can really produce a good set of Boxers….just because of their system

They run coaching and official clinics often and far and wide. Unlike most of Canada’s and USA’s organizations….Quebec always is recruiting and always expanding……

One sports writer joked……if you get off a bus and linger…with fifteen people….the Quebec Amateur Boxing program will ask you to form a Boxing team……..If all of NOrth America acted like Quebec……..the Boxing Program would be in every high school in both countries

True

Posted August 30, 2012 4:39 pm 


bikermike

boxing pro…don’t blame the fighter…blame the ref. Roberto Duran was no cream puff either….Pro Boxing is about as ruff and tumble a sport you can find.

Australian rules football…and payday at the King George Hotel, in Melville Saskatchewan Canada….. may be dirtier…but the fights don’t last as long

Posted August 30, 2012 4:29 pm 


bikermike

huh ??

Posted August 30, 2012 4:26 pm 


bikermike

Tark…in Canada and USA….freedom of speach is part of the deal……..That cuts both ways, in that if you are wrong and don’t know it..or refuse to listen to other points of view we have another right in our countries.

It is not illegal to be stupid……there are deterrents…but all the same what you are doing…time after time…is quite legal.

Posted August 30, 2012 4:24 pm 


bikermike

with all the knowledge that manny has about ray leonard…..how cum steward brought a six foot plus …Thomas Hearns in at 145…for his match up with leonard…weight limit 147

manny fkd up big time with Hearns…..Hearns….even with the physical disadvantage he had by coming in at a starved and dehydrated 145 at weigh in……still won the fight…..’cept the ref stopped it too fast. Hearns was ahead… true.he was taking punishment..but this is pro boxing and it was very late in the fight…. as a true champion…leonard gave Hearns the deserved rematch…..sixty six years later…..and they called it a draw…….Hearns got reeeeeemed both times

Posted August 30, 2012 4:18 pm 


TJ

Totally agree Boxing Pro – B-Hop fouled his way to victory over Winky… He was allowed to get away with nothing less than a mugging….

Posted August 30, 2012 3:30 pm 


Bruce

Joe Kidd – Lucky? He is undefeated in 43 fights, won championships in 5 divisions, pound-for-pound best in the world and the highest paid athlete in the world, the Ring Magazine’s Fighter of the Year twice. Yeah that’s LUCK all right!

Posted August 30, 2012 3:29 pm 


TJ

@TARK, you must have a problem with Sweet Pea who is clearly one of the best defensive boxers since RADAR Benitez…. I’ve watched him since the ’84 Olympics and marvelled at his skills even before he turned pro! Do you realise he won world titles at Lightweight, Super Lightweight, Welterweight and Super Welterweight? Truly a gifted fighter… Your opinions are your own, but in this case I dispute their validity! I see you omit how Sweet Pea was robbed at the hands of Julio Cesar Chavez!

Posted August 30, 2012 3:28 pm 


JoeKidd

Once Floyd tires you out, he might get lucky.

Posted August 30, 2012 2:22 pm 


Bruce

Joe Kidd – I wonder if Ricky Hatton would call Floyd Mayweather a girlyfighter……?

Posted August 30, 2012 2:12 pm 


JoeKidd

Accurate take on Teofilo Stevenson. Just a pro beating up on raw kids. Whitaker was a contortionist, but could he punch? Don’t care for these types of fighters. Not too disimilar from Floyd Mayweather. They win boxing matches but they don’t hurt you. It’s called girlie fighting.

Posted August 30, 2012 1:24 pm 


TARK

Pernell Whitaker was a good defender, but not as good as some folks make him out to be. He fought very defensively but still managed to get hit by mediocre boxers. On my card Wilfredo Rivera outscored him, and beat him twice. Those fights amazed me because Rivera was a poor boxer in my book. I also had Azuma Nelson beating Sweet Pea. Whitaker was in trouble in the late rounds against Nelson and kept grabbing his legs, which is a foul. The referee helped Whitaker by not calling flagrant fouls and interfering whenever Whitaker tried to grab Nelson, but Nelson still had an arm free to punch. That is blatantly biased refereeing. I never thought Hurtado was a good boxer, but Hurtado outscored Whitaker easily through 10 rounds. I’ll point this out: Oscar De La Hoya had only 23 fights when he beat Whitaker, but had 33 fights when he lost to Shane Mosley. Oscar lost to every great fighter he faced except Whitaker. If you watch the knockdown scored against DLH in the Whitaker fight, it was an obvious trip. Whitaker was easily outscored by Felix Trinidad but insisted he deserved the decision. I don’t consider Whitaker a particularly objective or insightful observer of boxing matches general. He was a good boxer certainly, but had nowhere close to the skills of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Posted August 30, 2012 12:13 pm 


K2Fan

Kenny Weldon ; If the U.S. wants to compete on the world stage ,
it must play by the world rules . The
times have changed , the U.S. is not only one of two or three countries competing anymore . If you don’t understand that , then you
must deal with disappointments , such as the last Olympic results .
Lamenting that boxing is in terrible shape or that it is dying , while
more countries participate in the sport than at any other time in history , is just silly, and proof that people are
looking for excuses in the wrong places ! Oh , and about football and baseball governing themselves , did YOU ever think why ? That’s because because NO ONE ELSE plays them !

Posted August 30, 2012 10:57 am 


Bruce

A great article. Emanuel Steward is a gentleman who knows his stuff but I disagree with him on one point, about Howard Davis. He claims that Davis didn’t do so well because he was held back by his manager. I’m wondering though, Howard lost decisions to so-so fighter Edwin Rosario, so-so fighter Joe Manley, and before that, he dropped a 15 round decision to Jim Watt in his lightweight title shot where Davis just backpedaled the whole fight. That is no way to win the title, especially against a lightweight champ like Jim Watt – who wasn’t exactly the second coming of Roberto Duran. Howard Davis was a very fine amateur boxer and a very ordinary pro.

Posted August 30, 2012 10:19 am 


Lennox’s champ

Hopkins will never be a HOF. Most of his wins were based on dirty fighting. I know damn well he was a PEDO.

Posted August 30, 2012 9:52 am 


boxing pro

I remember when Manny Steward came out and questioned Bernard Hopkins on the Winky Wright fight. Wright was under Steward. Steward talked about Hopkins antics of “dirty style fighting in the ring”. Steward said after the fight, it was the continous head butts to Winky’s head from Bernard that changed the fight. Steward was right Hopkins purposely was using dirty antics to win Which he did. Steward one was person when he speaks he is usually right.

Posted August 30, 2012 9:51 am 


dawud

Great article. Mannys the man

Posted August 30, 2012 9:26 am 



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