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Gonzo, did you say something? I was actually snoring while you were typing my bad… As per usual you are ranting about something associated with another mans genitals and making idle threats… You can’t take me to a school that I OWN, and these threads are my classroom, were I breakdown weak arguments, and expose inconsistencies and fragmented thinking… You don’t discuss boxing you discuss various fantasies and fetishes so what is one to do with you except enjoy the absurdity and bask in how small and ineffectual you are…Since you have FMJ in your sights we can assume news will spread about the sadistic attack you love to discuss in cyberspace, when completed forward the link until such time your ineptitude speaks for itself my angry minion… :)

Posted March 15, 2013 11:34 am 


“he looked like a bum against brewster and sanders” no he didnt. brewster never even knocked wlad down the ref did. lol. this was after wlad pummeled brewster most the fight knocking him down twice and for the first time in his career. i wouldnt call that a bum but then again you dont know boxing. you ommit everything so you can hate on the white guys. wlad picked up where he left off with brewster in fight 2 just as i said below. you omitt that in wlad vs peter one peter was rabit punching. the hbo analysts mentioned it, emanuel steward said it. but again you show you dont know how to discuss a topic. your not here discussing boxing by any means. your here hating on the white guys that dominate the glamour division. nothings new with you. your a low life dude. common garbage that doesnt know there is a world outside his low income highrise apartment he and his family share with grandma and the local library or coffe shop where you sit at one of their computers all day much to the dismay of the workers. LOL. your nasty garbage son. if either klitschKO so much as looked at you you would drop. you wouldnt be talking no bum stuff you would get punked. hahahaahah

Posted March 14, 2013 11:43 pm 


Bears, Helenius being injured is irrelevant there is ALWAYS and excuse that works in your world so whats REALLY new? Vitali did win over Chisora going away but Haye destroyed him in 5 rounds his first loss by stoppage.. NEITHER Helenius nor Vitali could even hurt Chisora who was chasing Vitali like a horny teenager in the 12th round… We have been hearing WEAK injury excuses from Vitali for YEARS even when they are clearly inflicted by his opponents yet you try to laud him to death for beating Solis who’s knee crumbled and Charr who he cut during the bout… Yeah FACT is that Haye did what Helenius and Vitali could NOT and thats simply not going to change… FACTS

Posted March 14, 2013 4:05 pm 


Yeah Bears we KNOW you want to take a snapshot of the last 17 or so fights of Wlads career and say “thats Wlad start to finish” but that is NOT how it works he was a LONG time professional and if he had been fighting better guys he MIGHT not have EVER made it to his feet… Seriously 45 fights getting plastered like that? Thats why Vitali said “retire” All credit that he became the force he is but his career has not always been stellar and saying he could not hang for 8 years is WEAK…. He looked like a BUM getting stopped by Sanders and Brewster in short order like that then Peter having him down like that…. So say what you want Klits was NOT a big deal when true HOF level fighters and respected HARD men were doing their business….. 2004 still getting beat up, then what 2005 barely getting by Peter?? And he began fighting in 96…

Posted March 14, 2013 3:41 pm 


your trying to base your agrument off a green price and injured helenius and vitaly? seriously? vitaly dominated him with one arm!!! LOL. thats greatness. helenius looked worse after lyakhovic and your saying chisora did a great job on him? im not with you on that. just injured guys and you make no mention of it. just killed your whole point. try again. yes, sports has come a long way and to act like fighters from 50 years ago are gonna hang is stupid. many of those guys would be crusiers as well or even smaller like cooper at 188 pounds flooring the muhammad ali’s of the world. LOL

Posted March 14, 2013 3:39 pm 


As usual you are HIDING behind the same argument, HW’s are bigger while I agree size when coupled with real skill is formidable you are trying to define the era by the Klits beyond that these guys are NOT selling… We had a YOUNG prospect like Price slaughtered by an OLD out of shape HW like Thompson who would not even rate in prior eras, we had Chisora who is NOT big by todays standards being ROBBED against Helenius who most intelligent observers thought won… We had David Haye do 100 times better than Vitali and Helenius against Chisora (Haye weighed 210 I believe) we had Haye and Adamek at #3 during the era where were “the big guys” AGAIN none of these Giant sloths are dominating the way the Klits are but you guys are wedded to the idea that next guy is gonna be a Wlad clone…Where is he? Price and Helenius were both hyped up and BOTH of their stock is in the gutter…..Holla!

Posted March 14, 2013 3:34 pm 


sanders might be about as much of a great as some of the 60s and 70s fighters who some people think are great. sanders was good. sanders knocking people out the way he did was special. no doubt about it. sanders was unique. a gentlemen and well liked by me, larry merchant, dan rafael, etc. promoted by lennox lewis and dodged by lennox lewis. and if subjectivity makes you great. then old cornelius was a great. i gurantee sanders could hold his own against many of the fighters from the 70s and before. so if they are your litmus test then sanders is great

Posted March 14, 2013 3:23 pm 


Bears, if you say my view are subjective then what are YOURS? I can produce 1000 articles that position Ali, Foreman, and Frazier as GREAT fighters, they date back starting over 40 years ago… All you can produce are a stale article written by Vivek Wallace LOL!!! I mean seriously the Klits belong in the HOF and Wlad is building a nice legacy but the KNOCKS on their comp are NOT going away and Vitali might as well forget it!!! There are WAYYYYYYYY more people that consider Ali the Greatest whereas they do not even KNOW who the hell Vitali is?? Those dud fights with scrubs are hurting the Klits and every no name they fight only waters down the legacy… Charr, Mormeck, Pianeta, Wach, Sosnowski, KingPin Johnson?? C’mon man these guys are the best of this ERA but historically they will be questioned ESPECIALLY Vitali…. Wlad will always be known as a guy who might not have survived a tougher era earlier in his career….

Posted March 14, 2013 3:16 pm 


i can understand thinking highly of clay he’s one of the best of all time. but to deny how far boxing has come thats stupid. many of those guys mentioned would be murdered by todays heavies and too small. foreman would be small. too slow. its undeniable where sport have gone and how they haveimproved and the tape shows it all. so you can hold on to some dream of fighters from a half decade ago being the best. but its a dream. and thats why your out of touch. more than a decade of dominance continues and now you look at boxing at the eastern euro domination. exponentially more and more eastern euro’s every years since they started being allowed to fight.

Posted March 14, 2013 3:10 pm 


Bears, Purrity had 13 losses when Wlad had him the was a stepping stone and thats being kid Wlad being 22 has NO bearing on his inability to get by that SCRUB….Its funny your standards shift like the WIND you are all over Broner who is smoking current and former World Champions Demarco, Rees and tough win over Ponce De Leon but you are clapping like a drunk sorority girl because Wlad got smushed by a serial loser like Ross Purrity who was an EASY out for all upper level fighters he faced… AGAIN your contradictions amuse me!! Bears as for the Klits during the 90’s they were marginal not really making big noise, I know you HATE the fact that the actually were pro’s since 95 or 96 but did not get it going for real till the coast was clear after Lewis and Co retired or got old as hell… What was Wlad doing in 2004??? I will tell you what he was getting WAXED by Lamon Brewster, yeah dudes could not get it going during the 90’s FACT…..

Posted March 14, 2013 3:05 pm 

stupid loser

Not to drive this even more, but, if you remember, Wlad was in trouble with DaVarryl Williamson at the beginning of the fight. Stewart had to pull out some magic to get Wlad back on track to KO Williamson.

Posted March 14, 2013 1:37 pm 


Bears, please Ali has more HOFers on his docket than can be believed he was underdog against a PRIME ATG like Foreman and still prevailed… You love KO’s well Ali KOed a guy the likes of whom NEVER got stopped again even 10 years later… You are cumming all over your PC because Wlad stops Mormeck or Vitali stops Charr… These dudes are impressive against largely unimpressive foes, and Vitali for Gods Sake his resume is like a post menopausal vagina (DRY)…. He has been really cakewalking it 95% of his career and when he had an OLD, fat Champ in front of him he got bludgeoned like he was attacked in a dark alley…When have the Klits EVER beat the odds or overcome adversity in the ring?? Sam Peter? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Wlad was in distress 4X and 75% of the time the OTHER guy proved to be the better man, Purrity, Sanders and Brewster only time he showed some stones was against Peter… Vitali as we know CAN QUIT….

Posted March 14, 2013 9:48 am 


Bears, Foreman fight 81 fights and the ONLY guy that ever stopped him is acknowledged as one of top 2 or 3 GREATEST HW’s in the history of the sport.. Unlike Klitschko who got rocked by nobodys 3 times in his first 45 fights, Foreman was stopped ONCE in 81 fights and he fought REAL serious competition… Same for Larry Holmes 76 fights and he was ONLY stopped 1 time out of prime by a PEAK Iron Mike Tyson…I know Purrity, Sanders and Brewster were the BEST in history according to you but NO ONE else believes that… As for Vitali he was STILL stopped, unable to continue MORE than either Holmes, Ali or Foreman…. NONE of those guys would have EVER QUIT against a “feather fist” recylcled LHW like Chris Byrd, and we all know about the demolition job that Lennox Lewis did on his face…Foreman has one of the BEST chins in history when measured against # of fights, who he fought and the age he fought to….

Posted March 14, 2013 9:24 am 


Foreman was 220 pounds dude and wide open and. Smaller than klitschko. He was not hard to hit. He didn’t bob and weave. Foreman would’ve got ko’ed from a mile out by either brother. Wladimir got clocked by peter, haye, and wach retty hard and beat them down. Wladimir has ended every fight on his feet like vitaly. But vitaly has never been knocked down or knocked out or even given a standing 8. Only heavy inhistory who can boast that. Vitaly has a guiness world record for how quick he got his knockouts. Again he stands alone in that. Most impressive accolade vitaly has is his ko % alongside his plus minus ratio. Not only does vitaly rarely get hit. He puts in all the work to stop his opponents (hence he takes the risk)

Posted March 14, 2013 5:16 am 


Ali didn’t beat a single fighter more skilled than klitschko. He beat tiny frazier who fought under 200lbs in some of his fights he fought george foreman who is a brute forcer, not a skilled boxing master. And these guys were not fighting the best in the world this was basically domestic fighting. Half the world did not paticipate (the eastern block) ali got wooped when he did fight an eastern block fighter though. In the amateurs and also the only time he faced an eastern block euro fighter. Ali never faced someone like either klitschko. Their compubox is unreal. They shattered the records of punches per round for heavies. They have never been outpointed when it comes to boxing. Ali never faced a 250 pound pure muacle ko beast like a klitschko. He never faced anyone with a jab like there’s or left hook or strait right or that big and that fast. Vitaly has the best plus minus ratio and ko % in heavy history. Vitaly has never been loosing a fight. Vitaly stands alone and above ali. Vitaly is the goat. Ali never fought the goat, obviously

Posted March 14, 2013 5:10 am 


*and for big George to concede that Klit is better than him is nonsense he’s had too many grills its grilled his brain, who knows what would have happened if he tee’d off on Klit back in the day we know his chin is suspect if you can get near it.

Posted March 14, 2013 5:05 am 


I agree the Klitchsko’s are underrated but again apart from Lennox Lewis who Vitali lost to who have they really beat of note? like someone earlier said, Ali beat another 9 HOF fighters who were world class for their time but had bags more skills than either Klitchsko, what the K’s have is size, agility and a good brain , we just simply haven’t had the opposition big enough, agile enough and intelligent enough to challenge them thoroughly so we will never know their true greatness.

Posted March 14, 2013 5:02 am 


I don’t agree. The guys from the 60s and70s are flat footed and wide open much of the time and just sloppily tee’ing off on eachother. They would get knocked out from a mile out by either klitschko. Foreman vs lyle is a prime example of what I’m talking about. Now I love watching the tape of those bouts and I do watch it. But even george foreman has said the klitschkos are better than he was. So even foreman agrees. Now u can have your views and opinions I just don’t agree with you. Neither does dan rafael of espn, jim rome, freddy roach, or george foreman or former east side boxing contributor vivek wallace. Maybe you guys have people have relevant people who agree with you but I doubt it. Post it if so

Posted March 14, 2013 4:00 am 


Yeah and to think it was 15 rounds back then, those guys would whup these modern guys asses.

Posted March 14, 2013 3:36 am 

stupid loser

KOrnerman, Duran/Leonard, two of the very best (HOF & ATG’s) fighting in their prime, amazing fight. Sugars 1st loss. Good choice.

Posted March 14, 2013 2:12 am 

stupid loser

BEARS, No to take away from the Wlad offense, but Puritty was the first to expose Wlad stamina issues. That of course is something other fighters focus on. Brewster in #1 also rode out the Wlad bombs to win by KO. But at the end of the night, they won the fight.
PEEJ pretty much sums up my thoughts on the topic beyond that. But I respect the fact you are a Klitschkos fan. They certainly own the HW division at this point in time.

Posted March 14, 2013 1:57 am 


Lewis would of beat Wlad, in my option. And Boxing is the only sport wo where you can be dominating the whole fight and still lose by KO, that is the beauty of boxing. So who cares who was winning the whole fight, fact is Wlad still got KO’d. It still does not change the fact that he his still a great heavy also. But no way Wlad beats Ali. Wlad does not have the mental make up for Ali. He is not quick enough for Ali and Ali could take his punch just like he could take Foremans and many other huge punchers punchs. And Foreman hits harder than Wlad

Posted March 14, 2013 12:17 am 


Problem is Floyd has not been challenged except for once and that was with Castillo so there is your epic rivalry. Then the rematch came and he beat him clearly.

Posted March 13, 2013 9:06 pm 

Fight Aficionado

I am rooting on Floyd. To clock Jim Rome with a left hook during the interview. That football player tackled him so anything less than a KO is a fail.

Posted March 13, 2013 5:37 pm 


Stupid loser- good point sir your correct, he hasn’t had that defining rivalry or fight that so many other great fighters had, mines was when Duran beat Sugar Ray Leonard that was a Epic battle and a great victory.

Posted March 13, 2013 4:38 pm 


i’m really tired of announcers that know nothing about boxing except stats they read about, the actual science has too many facets that some people don’t see because they’re to busy cheering for the fighter they favor, rome is not a credible boxing “expert”
in fact he’s a total idiot just like merchant, howard cosell etc….

Posted March 13, 2013 4:25 pm 

stupid loser

Boxtradamus, your bid to put FMJ as “the” ATG has 1 huge component that is missing to make your case, IMO. Sure you can quote facts, win/loss records, compubox, top p4p wins (although many can debate the value), and that is something one can not really discount. However what FMJ lacks, is the “Epic Factor”. Name 1 Epic battle/fight FMJ has been in? When one is to talk about the ATG’s, they usually have Epic fights to talk about that carry on for life times. Ali-Frazier, Lenord-Hearns, Sugar Robinson and long list, Marciano/Moore, etc, etc, etc. Yet, FMJ lacks anything Epic, and IMO, may just make a list, but will never be at the top. Where is fought the very best available in their prime. And for that it will always be hard sell to call FMJ, the GOAT. Sadly a MP fight might have been the one, where I saw him winning, that could of given him any Epic Factor.

Posted March 13, 2013 3:46 pm 


I agree man, I won’t pretend that the Wlad we see today would not present and issue for most fighters historically (Lewis or Foreman knock him out faster than the brother) we have to remember that Wlad was around 48 fights (after surviving that pound fest with Sam Peter) into his career before he became stable and began taking over… By the time they had 40 fights, Ali, Lewis and others were immortal…When the best of the 90’s were around Wlad and Vitali could not make headway, it was not till retirements and guys aging out of the game that he found his legs….

Posted March 13, 2013 3:32 pm 

stupid loser

SREDMOND, I forgot about Wlad getting taken out by the resume win builder, Puritty. Wlad does not do well with stamina, imagine a top level HOF fighter, i don’t know, say Ali, taking Wlad deep into the fight or doing a rope-a-dope for a few rounds, the outcome? Perhaps the Klits were just a victim of bad timing? I will say they are the best and only fighters in the HW division.

Posted March 13, 2013 3:16 pm 


Bears, are you still quoting LOST writer Vivek Wallace? has he ever been seen or heard from again? C’mon man when will you learn that testiomonials cannot get you a win? But then again you are the SAME fool who paid more attention to the announcers saying that Lewis was on his way out against Vitali than the ACTUAL result… Naive is the BEST word for a dullard like you….Wallace is an EX ESB writer, who knows what he is doing now…

Posted March 13, 2013 2:58 pm 

Dr. Phil Thieze-Knutz

Credit Rome for at least covering boxing. But Rome is far from a boxing expert. Rome is a less funny Howard Stern that happens to cover sports.

Posted March 13, 2013 2:54 pm 


Bears, who REALLY lends credence to “Jim Romes” fantasy matchup between Ali and Klitschko EXCEPT a clown (no offense to actual clowns who work hard at their craft) Wlad should concentrate on finding someone Great to KO during his own time and AVOID getting stopped by guys who are not anything close to Great… Vitali had a shot at a Great fighter and his face was not even good enough for more than 6 rounds against a fellow big man who could get to him….. Jim Rome??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted March 13, 2013 2:37 pm 


Bears, where was Wlads “plus/minus ratio” when he was getting stroked by a bum in his prime and waxed by a part time fighter like Sanders or slaughtered by Brewster flopping all over the ring… Ali was SUPER tough fighting a gauntlet of hard HW’s the likes of which the Klits has not seen in their collective ENTIRE careers… I know your next move, Wach and Pianeta are bigger, dude in terms of history these guys are SCRUBS, Ali has been STAMPED Great since before you were born and he will be remembered as such LONG after your furry corpse is rotting in a drainage ditch….Get with the program man Wlad and Co rule this era but their role in history is that of a couple of bit players in a sitcom…..

Posted March 13, 2013 2:28 pm 

stupid loser

BEARS, I do not discredit your opinion, but I personally would not use Jim Rome as a reference to make your case. The issue in debating the Klitschkos, they are the only ones with any, and i mean “any” true top talent in the division. The only real test we had was with Lewis, and unfortunately all the fans got screwed over by that cut. We also know little bro Wlad had his issues post Sanders, pre-Manny, who had to revive him from sure death.

Posted March 13, 2013 2:06 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Wow, two arrogant douche-nozzles on the same show, I’ll have to remember to pass on that one…

Posted March 13, 2013 1:59 pm 


Of course the klitschkos would pound ali. The klitschkos have better plus minus ratios too. If guys like henry cooper can floor ali please this a no brainer. Its not like ali floated like a butterfly at all. Ali got hit a lot. Not a good recipe when its klitschko bombs. The klitschkos left hooks/left shovel hooks would blast little ali. I would bet on a klitschko win. As would jim rome, vivek wallace, and many other professional analysts and coaches around teis sport and sports in general. All I know is my view and opinion is ali would get SMOKED. Ali never “flew like a butterfly and stung like a bee” ali got hit all he time was practically a featherfist. Not a one punch ko guy in the least

Posted March 13, 2013 1:38 pm 


ALI may have been the best of his era, but WLAD will give him trouble with his stiff jabs all night. I like ALI a lot but both K brothers will give him issues. They know how to use their advantages. ALI can dance, OK Wlad will just wait…REF will tell ALI fight!

6″7 and 6″6 with long reaches, vs 6″3 and ALI is not a one punch artist
Stop living the past embrace the new champions

Posted March 13, 2013 12:34 pm 


I agree with both…the hell with bees and damn a married woman.

Posted March 13, 2013 12:11 pm 


I can’t stand Mayweather. Hope he got butt stuck while he was in the penn. Maybe he fell in love with the jail boys which is why fiddy pennies wasn’t good enough for him no more once he got out.

Posted March 13, 2013 10:49 am 


Wlad would not be able to handle Ali. He has to much grit for Wlad. Wlad is a great fighter but he is not close to Ali. Ali would dance around Wlad like nothing.

Posted March 13, 2013 1:13 am 


That’s funny. I was just telling sredmond wlad was on the jim rome show recently here jim rome said wlad would knock ali out FOR SURE. I agree jim rome. Good stuff

Posted March 13, 2013 12:24 am 


Tune IN and watch the GOAT.

Posted March 13, 2013 12:08 am 

rodney mathis

mayweather skill speak for himself but resume speaks for noting

Posted March 12, 2013 9:39 pm 

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