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PRdancer

Skills beats size most of the time, but in this fight skills and size favor the same guy, easy win for Cano, peace

Posted August 31, 2012 10:41 pm 


KnucKled Eye

Jones and Pacman are your examples of skills are better than size. You just mentioned 2 of the greatest fighters in the last 25 years against B level oppisition. I will admit that skill helps against a fighter who is larger than you. It also has to be mentioned that a highly skilled brawler would have much more trouble against a larger brawler because all of the advantages are gone. A smaller boxer, mover has a better chance against a larger brawler because of the speed. So it depends on the match up.

Posted August 31, 2012 5:06 pm 


Anonymous

Skill vs. Size not sure where you’re going with that you provided some examples and they are very good ones at that. And i aplaud you for looking at that end of it. And you really didn’t provide an arguement just examples. So with that in mind would you put Andre Ward with one of the K brothers. cause Andre has tons of skill. Or would we put a kid like Broner in with oh lets say Carl Froch. I mean cause Broners pretty fast and has boat loads of skill (at least in his mind..LOL). So we take a different approach, you have a kid that has oh lets say 10 fights no amateur fights and weighs 225 and you put him in with Floyd. Now as much as many hate Floyd one cant deny his skill but could his skill over match a man weighing 225. Perhaps Floyd would run around and not get hit much but one things for certain 225 pounders punches would hurt Floyd more than the other way around. So should we just guage by skill? And maybe I misinterpreted your arguement or examples and I by no means do I want to offend you but in short that’s my arguement. Weight and skill are both tied together you dont’ put a novice with a open fighter and the way to even the playing field or in our case the fight is to take skill and weight and see who wins. We can’t go by height and say only six footers and over 200+ can be heavy weight champions. Cause that would exclude Mike Tyson. I’m open to your arguement. Take it out of the box and put it in the ring.

Posted August 31, 2012 3:03 pm 


Boxtradamus

Both are FAIR because they are LESS than 20 pounds apart. Thats HOW. They say that a 3 pound difference or even a 1 pound difference is UNFAIR (147lb vs. 148lb) but a 6 pound discrepancy is FAIR. (141lb vs. 147lb) That’s called flawed logic…..Pounds is more important than weight class.

Posted August 31, 2012 12:51 pm 


Boxtradamus

Anyone that disputes that SKILLS is more important than SIZE must have been born last night. They couldn’t have SEEN Pacquiao vs. Margarito, Mosely, and Clottey. And they didn’t SEE Haye vs. Chisora. They also didn’t SEE Jones Jr. vs. Ruiz and never read about Leonard vs. Hagler….. To sum it ALL UP they need to learn more about Boxing.

Posted August 31, 2012 12:42 pm 


Boxtradamus

YOU stick to MMA where how BIG you are is a more important factor because wrestling is legal. This is the Sport of HIT and not GET HIT. The guy who’s the BIGGER and SLOWER target is easier to HIT.

Posted August 31, 2012 12:37 pm 


old guy

zero.

Posted August 31, 2012 12:16 pm 


IMB

stick to MMA

Posted August 31, 2012 12:00 pm 


Hidalgo

“As long as you weigh in within 20 pounds…” uh-huh. How do either of your comparisons justify your 20-pound weight range philosophy?

Posted August 31, 2012 10:48 am 


It’s Me, Ernie…

It’ll never happen. Lopez has overstepped his own abilities on this one. Over-confidence will get you hurt in this sport.

Posted August 31, 2012 10:47 am 


sweet_scientist

IMHO, Cotto HAS earned the right to FIGHT whoever he wants to whenever he wants to!! Canelo up to this POINT in his career has DONE NOTHING in comparison. Lopez WILL give Canelo a good fight early, but will be WORN down by Canelo as the fight goes on. By the LATE rounds of the fight Lopez will be TOAST!

Posted August 31, 2012 10:03 am 


mex

Canelo is nipping at Cotto heels…sooner or later Cotto will have to face his fears.

Posted August 31, 2012 8:36 am 


Jake Lead Rights

Anyone that disputes weight classes has never been hit by a bigger man muchless ever even stepped into a boxing ring or a street fight. Those extra added pounds on a professional fighter that is trained to inflict pain with his fist can be detrimental. Take a one pound hammer and a 3 pound hammer and hit an object with the same amount of force and you’ll see the difference (physics my friend) this is just one reason they call it the “Sweet Science”.

Posted August 31, 2012 8:11 am 


Boxtradamus

IMB-If weight mattered so much then Ortiz would have never been in trouble vs. a 140 lber.

Posted August 31, 2012 3:23 am 


Big Pimpin

What I want to know is when will Canelo actually fight someone from his own weight class????? Canelo’s name should never be brought up in a boxing conversation until he defends his title againts a fighter from HIS own weight class!!!!

Posted August 31, 2012 1:55 am 


sister sledge

Lopez is a pretty good fighter, but he is most effective at Junior Welterweight. He just fought at WW and was lucky to get the win against that quitter Ortiz. He has potential to be very good. Why his handlers would have him fight Alvarez is beyond me. Alvarez will be over 170 come fight time. He is going to overpower Lopez and give him a pretty good beating. I just hope :Lopez will be able to recover after this fight.

Posted August 30, 2012 11:43 pm 


me

hey canelo think u can fight someone ur own size next time ‘preciate it dude

Posted August 30, 2012 11:17 pm 


IMB

Weights might be irrelevant to people that never actually put on a pair of gloves at the amateur or professional level. If weight didn’t matter then Pacman wouldn’t be asking his opponents to fight him at a catch weight. Lopez was losing against Ortiz who quits as soon as he gets in trouble. Never an elite fighter. Lopez will lose he has no chance. It’s ol to bet with your heart but you will most often lose in this business. Stick to…………… Hockey or basketball where weight doesn’t mean a thing…. Right

Posted August 30, 2012 9:35 pm 


Tomato Can

This fight makes as much sense as the Terry Norris / Meldrick Taylor fight made many years ago. The only thing is, Terry was nice enough to meet Taylor at a 149 pound catch weight. And Terry still made short work of Taylor… I didn’t like the idea of that fight, and I don’t like the Idea of this one. If Lopez was truly established at 147, and had a fight or two at 154 then I might feel different. The way I see it, is Lopez will try, have moments but end up being too small to hurt Alvarez, and in turn, will take a beating for his efforts.

Posted August 30, 2012 9:12 pm 


Boxtradamus

Weight classes are very flawed and irrelevant. Pounds is whats relevant. As long as you weigh in within 20 pounds of each other you should be considered in the same weight class….just think …..they say that a 141 pounder vs a 147 pounder is FAIR. But they say that a 147 pounder vs. a 150 pounder is UNFAIR. How DUMB is that?

Posted August 30, 2012 9:07 pm 


Hidalgo

1st: Margarito wasn’t even a top 10 contender for his second fight with Cotto. 2nd: Mayweather picked Cotto not the other way around. 3rd. Martinez said he’d go down to 154 to fight Cotto (or Mayweather or Pacquiao) but Cotto never took the bait. Alvarez has been a big draw for over a year. Cotto never tried to make a fight with him (to my knowledge). And,after Alvarez beat Rhodes last year, he was ranked 4th in the world by Ring Magazine. But Cotto wouldn’t fight him. 4th: Who the heck is Ricardo Mayorga? Not even ranked, he possessed no title, yet Cotto fought him. Why? Safety and money. Still Mayorga gave him a run for his money until Cotto stopped him in the last round. I’m a big Miguel Cotto fan, and I wouldn’t say he “relentlessly cherry picks” but until Floyd Mayweather Jr. he hadn’t fought the best or even a top 10 contender (with the exception of former champ Foreman) in any weight division that he fought in since his fight with Manny Pacquiao in 2009. Cotto could have taken on Lara, or Martirosyan, Trout, or Bundrage. Bundrage has been a champion since 2010. Trout since 2011. All bonifide jr. middleweight contenders. But Cotto picks Margarito and Mayorga. Well, I agree with his revenge fight with Margarito–whether Marg was ranked or not–but Mayorga? So many better choices. Yes, Cotto was cherrypicking, but I wouldn’t call it relentless.

Posted August 30, 2012 9:05 pm 


love-the-sport

Who hits harder: Alvarez vs. Ortiz? Alvarez is heavier handed — but flat footed. Ortiz does not have the heavy hands but he is more athletic and has more of his legs and body into each punch. Ortiz can generate a one punch knockdowns — but he has few quality knock-outs. Ortiz has knocked down Maidana, Peterson, Berto but he didn’t knock-out any of these guys. Alvarez has few one punch knockdowns. He breaks a guy down over 4-6 rounds with big heavy hands. I think Alvarez hits harder. But it takes more time to do real damage.

Posted August 30, 2012 7:32 pm 


KnucKled Eye

I would give my Riverside bro a better chance if he had fully aclimated at 147 but, even then to jump to 154 and take on one of the top guys in the division! It’s a very guttsy move for Josesito. Although he hung tough with Ortiz, who can bang pretty good in his own right, the question still remains, can Lopez withstand Canelo’s fire power? He needs to tighten up his defense because Canelo has better D than Ortiz and the give and take won’t be there for him. In all, I say Josesito loses but, gives a good account of himself and his rep loses nothing in a loss. He will probably drop back down to 140 and do well. A question for the knowledable fans, who hits harder, Ortiz or Canelo?

Posted August 30, 2012 7:13 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, Williams, Kirkland, and Ortiz were Canelo’s first choices and In-That-Order. combine that with the lack of a challenge from Cotto and at this point, Alvarez has exercised due diligence in trying to confirm a worthier 154lb matchup. although, considering your low opinion of Alvarez, Lopez appears to have a much better shot at the upset than i ever thought(?!).

Posted August 30, 2012 5:37 pm 


te tumbo

“Post whatever article u read where Cotto said he doesn’t want to fight Canelo”? i was actually referring to the lack of any article or video or even a tweet featuring Cotto challenging Alvarez. otherwise, what’s the hold-up? it’s the most profitable fight in a division where Cotto has barely scratched the surface. nonetheless, there was an ESB article following Williams’ accident reporting that Cotto was hit-up about fighting Alvarez but declined the offer. anyway, if Cotto is truly “great”, then he should be challenging the young lion not looking everywhere else but Canelo’s direction to cherrpick a much easier payday. however, i don’t even buy that Cotto is a legitimate 154lbr. his ring-resume at that weight is proof of that.

Posted August 30, 2012 5:32 pm 


love-the-sport

I would also say that is overall a bad fight for Alvarez, bad for boxing, bad for everybody involved. If Lopez trades with Alvarez and Alvarez beats him down like a dog — then boxing may lose a gutty competitive fighter in Lopez who loses years off his career from a tough beat-down. If that happens then Alvarez will be accused of simply beating a small undersized fighter. If by some miracle, Lopez wins — then it is a disaster for boxing. Alvarez loses to a small undersized fighter. Overall this is too much risk for Lopez — who is too small — and too much risk for Alvarez. It is bad for boxing. Lopez should have gone back to 140 and cleaned up the division winning and dominating against Maidana, Morales, Garcia, Peterson, Khan, and others. He would have been great against those guys. He could then go up to 147 and have great fights. Instead, he takes a huge risk against Alvarez who is basically a light-heavyweight fighter. It is nuts. It is a stupid fight.

Posted August 30, 2012 5:05 pm 


love-the-sport

Skills pay the bills. Courage and guts are helpful — but they are irrelevant if a fighter is outmatched in terms of skills. If Lopez boxes — he has a chance. Alvarez is hittable. Alvarez is heavy. Alvarez has slow feet. Alvarez can be beat by a stick and move fighter. If Lopez boxes and jabs and double jabs and keeps moving he has a chance. If fights with skill and his mind — he has a chance. The problem is that Lopez usually fights with courage and guts. He trades. He gives up his defense. Most fans watching Lopez vs. Ortiz would say that Lopez showed courage and guts and he was competitive — BUT HE WAS LOSING TO ORTIZ. He was losing because he was trading shots with Ortiz. He was losing because he stayed too close to Ortize. If he does the same thing against Alvarez then it is going to be a disaster for Lopez.

Posted August 30, 2012 4:59 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Lopez is pushing the envelope too far here. He just came up from 140 and now he’s going to 154. He’s basically fighting out of his division chasing marquee bouts. It worked last time because his opponent is a headcase who quits when the going gets tough. That won’t happen with Alvarez.

Posted August 30, 2012 4:30 pm 


te tumbo

IMO, it’s Arum whose trying to upstage DLH. after all, DLH enjoys a long and predictable history of either sheding blood and sweat on September 15 or investing money to commemorate the date. combine that with his cultural heritage and i’d say that DLH has first dibs on that date.

Posted August 30, 2012 4:22 pm 


deven

Mark my words, Lopez will win tis fight. Canelo is never in a fight where his opponent is punching back, countering, rough housing. He always fight guts wgi are not very aggressive other than cotto. Lopez is determined, can take a punch and hungry.

Posted August 30, 2012 3:56 pm 


deven

Marky words, Lopez will win tis fight. Canelo is never in a fight where his opponent is punching back, countering, rough housing. He always fight guts wgi are not very aggressive other than cotto. Lopez is determined, can take a punch and hungry.

Posted August 30, 2012 3:49 pm 


philly shell

Actually, I’d give the speed category to Lopez. I haven’t seen a lot of Canelo’s fights, but from what I’ve seen Lopez has the faster hands – unless moving up in weight slows him down.

Posted August 30, 2012 3:07 pm 


philly shell

Relentless cherrypicking? Fighting the #1 p4p fighter in the sport – oh yeah, that’s cherrypicking. And how is this relentless? He’s had just FOUR fights at that weight – one for the title, one to avenge a loss, and one against the top fighter in the sport. It’s easy to hate from a keyboard.

Posted August 30, 2012 3:03 pm 


Podge

Also Lopez beat Ortiz and earned the fight with Alvarez so this fight has merit the challenger has earned the shot by beating the man who was set to fight the ginger cash cow.

Posted August 30, 2012 2:50 pm 


Podge

This isn’t a mismatch Lopez stopped Ortiz, he had the power to earn a TKO and he was able to take Ortiz’s best shots and keep coming forward. Ortiz at 147 was bigger than most Jr.middleweights, Lopez could be more than competitive in this fight.

Posted August 30, 2012 2:48 pm 


JCity

I like the guts lopez has but he is moving up way too quick..he really needs to stay and clean up his division at his natural weight…he would have some great fights there that would help himself out and really make him legitimate..but its all a set up anyway, how you gonna giva a guy a higher rank in a division hes never fought in…they just trying to give us the jedi mind trick and make people think a junior welterwieght has a punchers chance with a super middleweight…damn i miss the old days, when boxers actually fought the guys they called out insted of being protected from a possible ass whooping

Posted August 30, 2012 2:40 pm 


Krysztof

Lopez moving up in weight AGAIN…i dont give him much of a shot…. Canelo by KO in the 5th-6th.

Posted August 30, 2012 2:29 pm 


IMB

Josesito is a good 140lb fighter. He will be fighting at 154 the day of the fight, he will be slower, smaller and out worked by Canelo. Josesito is not Leonard and Canelo is no Lalonde. People keep forgeting that the top fighters today keep facing good names but that comes in a form of a catch-weight or the ‘name’ fighter is past his prime. Don’t buy into the hype this is a business first.

Posted August 30, 2012 2:19 pm 


Moonshineman

None.

Posted August 30, 2012 2:09 pm 


Hidalgo

Agreed. Cotto knows he’s a celebrity and he’s been picking opponents that will help him to keep that status–even though he lost to FMJ. Cotto hardly has a history of fighting the best in the jr. middleweight division. I’d like to see him do it.

Posted August 30, 2012 1:56 pm 


Hidalgo

Lopez definitely is the highest caliber opponent that Alvarez will have faced but I believe Alvarez is stronger than Josesito and this may pose a problem for him. Over the hill or not, Shane Mosley–when he makes an effort–is no chump; he’s a guy who possesses superb boxing skills. Against Mosley, Alvarez showed that he could box with great precision and patience and I believe these are the skills he will need to rely on when he faces Lopez. Regardless, Lopez is going to take it to him. We’ll see if Lopez can take what Canelo delivers to him.

Posted August 30, 2012 1:54 pm 


te tumbo

afterwards, i hope that Cotto finally Steps-Up to the Canelo challenge. i for one have become thoroughly fatigued with Cotto’s relentless cherrypicking and artificial 154lb status.

Posted August 30, 2012 1:15 pm 


te tumbo

Lopez has got a chance because he defeated Ortiz who i also thought had an outside chance of upsetting the bigger Canelo. however, size DOES become a deciding factor in this matchup because Lopez is no Mayweather and he doesn’t possess the breakaway skills or talent that have Barely enabled Mayweather to prevail in his only two bouts at 154lbs. if Mayweather can barely pull it off, Lopez will have to miracle his ass past the same 154lb threshold v. Canelo. the other factor that could work in a thorouighly-prepared Lopez’s favor is an underprepared and overconfident Alvarez. in which case, Lopez could conceivably outhustle Canelo for a scorecard nod. any broken bones in this matchup will favor Alvarez.

Posted August 30, 2012 1:12 pm 


Boxtradamus

I think he LOSES in a Fight thats closer than most people think. SKILLS is more important than SIZE. Just ask Ortiz.

Posted August 30, 2012 12:59 pm 


sweet_scientist

Boxtra, whats up? You think Lopez will win?

Posted August 30, 2012 12:48 pm 


Boxtradamus

A pretty GOOD chance. He’s the BEST Fighter that Canelo has ever faced.

Posted August 30, 2012 12:41 pm 



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