Would you give Vic a better chance against Mijares if he'd have taken out Donaire...

[Decebal]

...with the punch that Donaire took him out with?:think

[WhataRock]

Um..well probably.

Its a different fight, potentially a better style matchup for him because though Mijares is the better technician compared to Donaire, he doesnt have the explosivness that Nonito caught Vic with.

He should outbox and outwork Vic but I dont see him turning the fight with one punch, which may allow Vic to do what he does best.

[Bentchassis]

Alot of guys never fully recover from a blow like that, generally determined by their style, age, mental strength etc. I personally feel it did affect Vic more than he would like to admit but in doing so it's probably given him a larger defensive focus and respect. If you go by his last performance then it's certainly not effected his confidence and Vic would know Mijares is prob looking to outbox him anyway.

[raff]

i dont see vic allowing anything like that to happen again, 1 punch can change everything, i think vics style may look very open but with only 1 loss it cant be as bad as what its made out to be, i see vic winning this one. i believe he will also beat donaire in a rematch,

[WhataRock]

In a way he did give that fight to Donaire on a platter, failing to see what he was trying to set him up for from the start.

[Barge FTA]

what a pathetic thread.

[Dr Gonzo]

what a pathetic thread.

what a valuable contribution as always :roll:

[PIPO23]

MIjares is a tricky fighter he throws all sort of punches at different angles and that jab is gonna be on vic's head. I see Darchinyan tryin to land one punch at a time. Mijares will embarrass Vic make him look ordinary infact. If he keeps rushing in open he will get countered and counted out IMO..

[ashley]

I think we will see Vic fight with more brains this fight.

Mijares will be looking for vic to get a rush of blood but look for Vic to pick his shots more than his last few fights.....still think Mijares by UD

[PIPO23]

I think vic will find Mijares a bit of harder target to hit than the punching bag he last fought. It would tops to see Vic win. And that's possible also. But I just think Kirilov was a snail and just stood there did nothing at all. except take punches.Mijares is quicker and is trciky. A nightmare for one dimensional boxers like vic and arce.

[ashley]

Yes agree Mijares is one slick fighter

[Decebal]

A couple of thoughts that made me start this thread:

- how much was Vic's confidence affected by that one-punch KO? Lower confidence??
- how has it affected his preparationg for subsequent fights and his perfomance during thos fights? Better defence?? More cautious appraoch??
- how has it changed his style? Less wreckless??
- does he feel he has something to prove now? His chin?? His toughness??
- and finally, given that Mijares likes to trade, how will this incindent affect the way Vic will behave during those toe-to-toe moments? Will he be more likely to go all out or less likely?

Styles make fights and Nonito's power-punch isn't in Mijares' arsenal. Mijare is complety different and fights in a completely different way to Donaire. So, for the purposes of this fight, Vic hasn't been "exposed" where it really matters. Yet, Vic sounds more bullish than ever; he says he will win by KO. Is he, deep down, trying to make up for him having been KOed himself, by a different fighter? Would he be as bullish if he hadn't been KOed? Would he approach the fight in the same way, mentally?

...sorry if you feel these issues are too tangential to merit considering; I thought they might be somewhat relevant. :good

[Barge FTA]

what a valuable contribution as always :roll:

he could have worded this thread a lot better.

[ashley]

A couple of thoughts that made me start this thread:

- how much was Vic's confidence affected by that one-punch KO? Lower confidence??
- how has it affected his preparationg for subsequent fights and his perfomance during thos fights? Better defence?? More cautious appraoch??
- how has it changed his style? Less wreckless??
- does he feel he has something to prove now? His chin?? His toughness??
- and finally, given that Mijares likes to trade, how will this incindent affect the way Vic will behave during those toe-to-toe moments? Will he be more likely to go all out or less likely?

Styles make fights and Nonito's power-punch isn't in Mijares' arsenal. Mijare is complety different and fights in a completely different way to Donaire. So, for the purposes of this fight, Vic hasn't been "exposed" where it really matters. Yet, Vic sounds more bullish than ever; he says he will win by KO. Is he, deep down, trying to make up for him having been KOed himself, by a different fighter? Would he be as bullish if he hadn't been KOed? Would he approach the fight in the same way, mentally?

...sorry if you feel these issues are too tangential to merit considering; I thought they might be somewhat relevant. :good

Yes I think Vic will be more cautious and pick his "all in" moments.

So when he got KTFO I think it will help him change his game plan for the better against top rank fighters..

[Decebal]

he could have worded this thread a lot better.

You could have made at least one worthwhile contribution during your two posts in this thread too.

[Boom_Boom]

Alot of guys never fully recover from a blow like that, generally determined by their style, age, mental strength etc. I personally feel it did affect Vic more than he would like to admit but in doing so it's probably given him a larger defensive focus and respect. If you go by his last performance then it's certainly not effected his confidence and Vic would know Mijares is prob looking to outbox him anyway.

Dont think Vic has recovered from it, Vic never really clearly lost a round before the Donaire fight nor even staggered but afterwards, got dropped in his comeback fight and the z gorres fight, he looked impressive against kirilov but that looked more like Kiri fighting the absolute worse gameplan.

I expect Vic to hit Mijares more than he was able to hit Doniare, but Mijares has a solid chin and cant see vic outboxing him.

For vic fans this is a hope for fluke win fight, a win on cuts, DQ or a robbery

[WhataRock]

Dont think Vic has recovered from it, Vic never really clearly lost a round before the Donaire fight nor even staggered

Thats just false.

He clearly lost rounds against Sikali when he was gassed from a hectic start.

Some say he looked close to getting stopped against Pacheco after get hurt to the body and get pot shotted for period of time. He at the very least lost some rounds there.

He dropped rounds against Burgos and was staggered in that fight, which compounded and lengthend the beating he gave back.

Pretty sure he dropped a round against Medina and in Nookliang I because at the time guys like Angelo Hyder were saying they werent sure if Vic would make it in the pros.

I dont think he looks any better or worse but probably at this weight he isnt the physical monster he was compared to the other bloke.

[Marcus]

great thread,

its goin to be tough for vic, id like to think vic would have lernt a lesson, but goin by his lip, he hasnt lernt a thing.

if vic can box a little more, and throw more punches than usual, he could stay in the fight on points.

what id like to see is then, he step up his power shots to the head and land a few each round.

to me, i mean i realy like majares, great fighter, but he is very very flat footer, and turn his head to graze off shots, i think this is what could bring him down vs vic.

[maco_187]

personally having not seen mijares fight much at all i cant comment on a winner, what i do know is vic hits mighty fuckn hard for a small guy, and when small guys get hit with big punchers it slows them down significally and mentally changes there game plan, thats where vic is so successful he doesnt want people to engage in combat with him because hes open and wide, hed prefer people backpeddling and being scared of his power..... i mean if i was 115 pounds he isnt the person i want to meet thats for sure....
i think vic is underrated, hes ferocious in there, every punch is just about a knockout punch, hes always walking you down making you tired, hes always entertaining.... hes a true fighter in every sense of the word....
goodluck vic hope you ko him....
but much like everyone else from hearing reports i think its going to be a tough night in the office for him, but i give him all the support in the world....

[ipswich express]

Of the 31 boxing media members who participated in a SHOWTIME Prediction Poll, 25 picked Mijares and six liked Darchinyan.



Here’s how they see the Mijares-Darchinyan world title unification fight:



Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News/Long Beach Press Telegram (Mijares): “Mijares is a more technically sound fighter. He is going to frustrate the wild-swinging Darchinyan. Mijares will wind up hurting him late with counter shots. Not sure he will stop Darchinyan, but he might.”



Kevin Iole, Yahoosports.com (Mijares): “Mijares is a brilliant boxer. Darchinyan throws wide punches and Mijares will have no problem seeing them and getting out of the way of them. It should be a boxing clinic by one of the game's best-kept secrets. Mijares wins by decision in 12 rounds.”



J. Michael Falgoust, USA Today (Mijares): “Mijares is a terrific boxer, but Darchinyan's boxing skills leave much to be desired. Darchinyan has a puncher's chance, of course, because Mijares sometimes nullifies his height. He is often found bending over at the waist which obviously gives up his height advantage, and other times he stands too tall and in range of an opponent. That said, Darchinyan is not without a chance, but Mijares wins a decision.”



Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com, (Mijares): “Not only do I think that Mijares is a master boxer, he's also the natural 115-pounder. Mijares will outpoint the puncher (Darchinyan).”



Tim Smith, New York Daily News (Mijares): “Darchinyan is a good fighter but the thing I don't like about him is the thing that makes him good: his fool-hardy aggressiveness. Mijares will take advantage and win by seventh-round TKO.”



Dan Rafael, ESPN.com (Mijares): “This could be a lot like Mijares' fight against another hard-puncher, Jorge Arce. Darchinyan is an exciting, aggressive guy but Mijares is more skillful, faster and knows how to avoid punches. Simply, he is a much better overall fighter. Mijares wins a lopsided decision in what probably will still be an exciting fight to watch.”



Steve Farhood, SHOWTIME (Mijares): “Mijares wins all 12 rounds. It's about time American fans came to realize just how good this guy is.”



Chris Cozzone, Fightnews.com (Mijares): “Darchinyan has already shown flaws against a superior boxer. I believe Mijares has the chin to check anything Darchinyan throws at him. Mijares by decision.”



Michael David Smith, AOL (Mijares): “Darchinyan has good punching power for a man his size. I wouldn't be surprised if he sends Mijares to the canvas. But Mijares is the best boxer under 120 pounds in the world and he will wear Darchinyan down over 12 rounds and win a decision.”



Paul Upham, SecondsOut.com (Darchinyan): “Mijares should be the favorite going in, but Darchinyan’s aggressive nature and punching power have been irresistible on all occasions which is one of the reasons why SHOWTIME has taken such a liking to the Raging Bull from Armenia. Mijares’ skills and toughness should give Darchinyan some problems, but if Vic detonates one of his power shots, the Mexican will need to be strong to resist the KO. Darchinyan wins a close points decision.”



Ramon Aranda, 411mania.com (Mijares): “This one could go either way especially with Darchinyan's awkward style and punishing bombs. Vic could very well stun Mijares early in the fight but with Mijares' increasingly proficient boxing skills, he'll weather Darchinyan's storm and outbox him for the remainder of the bout. Mijares will win by a comfortable margin.”



Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com (Darchinyan): “If Cristian Mijares thinks he'll handle Vic Darchinyan the same way he did Jorge Arce, he has a whole other thing coming. Darchinyan throws punches from angles and positions that no Mijares sparring partner can possibly replicate. I say the Armenian pit bull sinks his teeth into Mijares by the middle rounds and takes him down in the ninth.”



Jake Donovan, ***********.com (Mijares): “Not to take anything away from Darchinyan, who still remains one of the best fighters in the lower weight classes, but Mijares is in another league and enjoying a Fighter of the Year campaign. He should prove to be far too resourceful for Vic. This will be a more competitive version of Mijares-Arce, but still a clear-cut win for Mijares. Mijares by unanimous decision.”



Michael Swann, 15 Rounds.com (Mijares): “Cristian Mijares is a talented stylist who is in his prime at 27. Vic Darchinyan is all offense and can end it with one punch but, at age 32, will he be able to avoid the shots before he delivers? Mijares scores a unanimous decision.”



Phil Woolever, TheSweetScience.com (Darchinyan): While it's no stretch of the imagination to foresee Mijares pitching a southpaw shutout, I think that being derailed and defeated strengthened Darchinyan's resolve to the point he'll be able to work his way in effectively enough to win.”



Scott Swerbinsky, TheClevelandFan.com (Mijares): “This is potentially the fight of the year. Speed and counter punching will be the difference. Mijares by a close, hard-fought decision.”



Daxx Kahn, Saddoboxing.com ((Mijares): “In his bout with Nonito Donaire, Darchinyan was exposed on his ability to deal with a clever boxer that has solid whiskers. While Mijares is not a big puncher, he has a solid chin and counters well. Look for Mijares to fight smart and land counter punches, using Darchinyan's jerky style to his advantage. Mijares wins a unanimous decision.”



Rob Scott, Doghouseboxing.com (Darchinyan): Mijares has the boxing ability much like (Nonito) Donaire, but he also has to have his mental stability as well. He will be hit harder than he probably ever has. Once hit, Mijares must not fold, but stay with the game plan of chipping away at Darchinyan's armor. It's Mijares' fight to win or lose because a good boxer can beat a good puncher. Mijares will step up his game, but it's Darchinyan's great punching power that will prevail. Darchinyan wins by decision – or possible late stoppage.”



Neil Fletcher, British-Weekly.com (Mijares): “Mijares is a good boxer with excellent movement. Darchinyan is a power punching southpaw who must chase his opponent down and land his left to be effective. Too close to call with any certainty, but the call is Mijares by decision.”



Lyle Fitzsimmons, Sportsnetwork.com (Mijares): “Darchinyan is clearly the puncher and is more likely to record a highlight-reel victory, but absent of that, I can see Mijares simply confusing and out-skilling him. If he avoids the fireworks early, look for him to spread the margin in the homestretch. Mijares records a decision.”



Jason Jackson, Boxingconfidential.com (Mijares): “Mijares will use his superior defensive skills to neutralize Darchinyan’s powerful left hand and take a unanimous decision.



Elisa Harrison, Braggingrightscorner.com (Mijares): It's hard to pick a winner because both men are talented and each has a specific forté. So, do you pick the boxer or the puncher? SHOWTIME is showing what the fights fans want to see and this one should not disappoint. Mijares wins a hard-fought decision.’’



Ernest Gabion, ***********.com (Mijares): “Vic has something to prove, but instead of it being an asset it will be a hindrance as he will try and press a supreme boxer. Mijares will take Vic’s aggression and nullify most of it with countering. Mijares wins by unanimous decision.”



Hesiquio Balderas, El Tuxtepecano (Mijares): “Mijares is going to win because he is a smart boxer who creates angles and openings and can put his combinations together. He is a very smart, technical fighter and also his timing is perfect as he showed against hard punchers such as Alex Muñoz and Jorge Arce. Mijares registers a 12-round decision.”



Dan Hernandez, RingSideReport.com (Darchinyan): “With the heavyweights in such a dismal state, it’s good to see the lower divisions doing their best to be the standard bearers for boxing. Darchinyan’s power, determination and skill level will prevail. A knockout victory would not be a surprise.”



Phil Santos, Overhandright.com (Mijares): “Vic has the punching power but he does not possess the technical skills to outbox Mijares or penetrate his stellar defense. The match will unfold much like Mijares-Arce with Cristian controlling the action and decisively outclassing the ever-aggressive Darchinyan. Mijares unifies the belts by unanimous decision or late stoppage.”



Rusty Rubin, Ringsports.com (Darchinyan): “Darchinyan has been through the wars and will have to work hard to win this tough battle with Mijares. It’s tough action fight and probably will have some blood flowing. I’ll take Darchinyan by a late stoppage.”



Ace Freeman, FightFan.com (Mijares): This is a classic boxer vs. puncher matchup between two exciting fighters. Mijares is somewhat of a hidden gem when it comes to pound-for-pound discussions, but he will soundly outbox Vic and catch him with some big counter punches en route to a late stoppage.”



Carlos Rivera, Cox3 News (Mijares): “Styles and personalities aside, Mijares will retain his WBC/WBA belts (and capture the IBF) in a decision.”



Diane Bennett, DiamondBoxing.com (Mijares): “It should be an exciting 12 rounds with Mijares bringing his tool box of skills, which include speed, defense and counter punching abilities to the ring to offset the Darchinyan power. Mijares will box his way to a decision victory and keep his six-year unbeaten streak in tack.”



Henry Bedoy, Boxingstars.net (Mijares): Mijares is simply too fast and crafty for the vulnerable Vic Darchinyan. Mijares by late TKO

[Decebal]

Dan Rafael, ESPN.com (Mijares): “This could be a lot like Mijares' fight against another hard-puncher, Jorge Arce. Darchinyan is an exciting, aggressive guy but Mijares is more skillful, faster and knows how to avoid punches. Simply, he is a much better overall fighter. Mijares wins a lopsided decision in what probably will still be an exciting fight to watch.”

Yeah, right, because Darchinyan is shot, like Arce, and can only brawl ineffectively at the same speed througout. What a stupid comparison.

Steve Farhood, SHOWTIME (Mijares): “Mijares wins all 12 rounds. It's about time American fans came to realize just how good this guy is.”

Why do these commentators feel the need to exaggerate to make a simple point? Why couldn't Mijares be excellent by winning as few as 8-9 rounds out of 12 against Darchinyan, if it does indeed go 12? Some way to hype the fight, by saying one of the guys is shit, huh?

If these were comments made by ESB posters, they'd have to be complete newbs not be get a hell of a lot of stick and abuse.

[Uppercut83]

Your boy Vic is gonna get bust up, Mijares will win every round in this fight might even stop Vic the prick.

[PIPO23]

A couple of thoughts that made me start this thread:

- how much was Vic's confidence affected by that one-punch KO? Lower confidence??
- how has it affected his preparationg for subsequent fights and his perfomance during thos fights? Better defence?? More cautious appraoch??
- how has it changed his style? Less wreckless??
- does he feel he has something to prove now? His chin?? His toughness??
- and finally, given that Mijares likes to trade, how will this incindent affect the way Vic will behave during those toe-to-toe moments? Will he be more likely to go all out or less likely?

Styles make fights and Nonito's power-punch isn't in Mijares' arsenal. Mijare is complety different and fights in a completely different way to Donaire. So, for the purposes of this fight, Vic hasn't been "exposed" where it really matters. Yet, Vic sounds more bullish than ever; he says he will win by KO. Is he, deep down, trying to make up for him having been KOed himself, by a different fighter? Would he be as bullish if he hadn't been KOed? Would he approach the fight in the same way, mentally?

...sorry if you feel these issues are too tangential to merit considering; I thought they might be somewhat relevant. :good

Nope Vic will be Vic mate. ANd he is gonna blaze it up this sunday. He will be Looking fo a KO that's without a doubt. Go Vic. No major change maybe he'll take his time, double jab on the way in and work the body mor. But still go For a KO.

:bbb

[Decebal]

Nope Vic will be Vic mate. ANd he is gonna blaze it up this sunday. He will be Looking fo a KO that's without a doubt. Go Vic. No major change maybe he'll take his time, double jab on the way in and work the body mor. But still go For a KO.

:bbb

Good luck to him. I don't think he can take Mijares out with one punch and he certainly cannot outbox him. Luckily for him, Mijares likes to trade a lot and he's not great at it either. If Vic can get him into one of those moods where he feels the need to trade for a good few minutes during the fight, he has a chance. A chance but not a great chance because Mijares has been in with big punchers and is smart enough to know how to stay out of trouble.

This is a fight I very much look forward to; I hope Vic gives his all and fights an intelligent fight. I can see Mijares going down, but I would be surprised to see him stopped. If anyone's likely to get stopped, it's Vic. My pick, though = Mijares 8-4 :good

[stiflers mum]

...with the punch that Donaire took him out with?:think
dont know anything about Mijares TBH but im surprised amsterdam hasnt commented on this fight and calz fight as they are his 2 faves.is he alright?
we will see on sunday i guess.

[WhataRock]

You are totally right Dec...Anyone who thinks this fight will be like the Arce fight is crazy...Totally different fighters at different stages of their careers.

It may well end up as dominant a win for Mijares but for different reasons.

[Bentchassis]

Your boy Vic is gonna get bust up, Mijares will win every round in this fight might even stop Vic the prick.

well said fuckwit.

A loss can make or break you and I have a feeling in this case it was a blessing for Vic.

[BoppaZoo]

well said fuckwit.

A loss can make or break you and I have a feeling in this case it was a blessing for Vic.Chassis mate im feeling for you right now.
Vic could have waited a til the 10th for your $23 odds.

remember how i asked what odds Vic was well my theory is everytime i bet on a Aussie fighter to win like put $50 bucks on someone they lose.

So when i asked i left it and Vic won still happy though.

I didnt bet Vic wins by KO = I couldnt give 2 shits right know just stoked (Mick Fanning) that we have a Undisputed Champ.

[seymour cash]

Weres pipo the paracite that pushes poo up his own pipe

[Bentchassis]

Chassis mate im feeling for you right now.
Vic could have waited a til the 10th for your $23 odds.

remember how i asked what odds Vic was well my theory is everytime i bet on a Aussie fighter to win like put $50 bucks on someone they lose.

So when i asked i left it and Vic won still happy though.

I didnt bet Vic wins by KO = I couldnt give 2 shits right know just stoked (Mick Fanning) that we have a Undisputed Champ.

It's all good mate, like you, I got so into the fight I didn't even care in the end. Plus I had a massive win in the Mackinnon yesterday:hey

[Rise Above]

I had money on Vic to win by KO in the 7th but couldnt care less after watching that fight.

[oztriker]

Your boy Vic is gonna get bust up, Mijares will win every round in this fight might even stop Vic the prick.



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[teke]

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[ozziebattler]

Your boy Vic is gonna get bust up, Mijares will win every round in this fight might even stop Vic the prick.

I love reliving posts like this.lol

Also loved reading all the boxing columnists and so called experts claiming vic would get outclassed.lol...love it.

[JOSEY WALES]

Im made up that Vic won , not just for him but the Aussie fight fans as well, what with Mundines antics recently (class of opponent ) and that Hamed wannabe Dib the other week , Australian boxing needed this win to restore its worldwide rep , :good

[Decebal]

A couple of thoughts that made me start this thread:

- how much was Vic's confidence affected by that one-punch KO? Lower confidence??
- how has it affected his preparationg for subsequent fights and his perfomance during thos fights? Better defence?? More cautious appraoch??
- how has it changed his style? Less wreckless??
- does he feel he has something to prove now? His chin?? His toughness??
- and finally, given that Mijares likes to trade, how will this incindent affect the way Vic will behave during those toe-to-toe moments? Will he be more likely to go all out or less likely?

Styles make fights and Nonito's power-punch isn't in Mijares' arsenal. Mijare is complety different and fights in a completely different way to Donaire. So, for the purposes of this fight, Vic hasn't been "exposed" where it really matters. Yet, Vic sounds more bullish than ever; he says he will win by KO. Is he, deep down, trying to make up for him having been KOed himself, by a different fighter? Would he be as bullish if he hadn't been KOed? Would he approach the fight in the same way, mentally?

...sorry if you feel these issues are too tangential to merit considering; I thought they might be somewhat relevant. :good

To answer some of my questions here...it looks like Vic came back much stronger and more determined after the KO loss to Donaire, with a hell of a lot of confidence. His approach has changed because his defence improved and he fought much more intelligently, showing great tactical flexibility, versatility and genius, but it hasn't made him more cautious at all! He was certainly not wreckless, but not cautious either. The best of both worlds...He didn't feel he had to fight in a way that would prove anything, except how damned great a fighter he was, and he sure as hell did that! Vic didn't even have to rely on Mijares trading to win the fight. He outboxed him when he had to, took away everything Mijares had, imposed his gameplan and style on him in a very dominant way and looked the much better fighter.

Very, very impressive performance. The more I consider it, the more impressed I am!

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

You Aussies should be so proud to have a guy who put in probably the best performance of the year....:deal

[melhear]

Well said Decebal.

[raff]

nice avatar decebel

[Decebal]

nice avatar decebel

I do believe I put it up first!:bart :D

[raff]

i believe not, i did it before the fight

[JOSEY WALES]

i believe not, i did it before the fight

:lol: Dec has a history of this mate , take it as a compliment :good