If you thought it was a bad stoppage

[Bazooka]

Watch the copy you taped just as the ref was stopping the fight, the corner of Marquez threw in the towel. so dont come here with any bullshit excuses

[El Bombasto]

good fight, but there should be a rubber match

[Thor]

Damn, I did notice that.

[digiram]

Didn't notice that, but def. a good stoppage. Marquez gets to fight another day. He def. was in danger. Great fight!!!!!!

[Thom]

Good stoppage. Good fight. I can't wait for the rubber match.

[the_what]

Bad stoppage IMO. I wanted to see Rafa get beat on some more.

[Alo2006]

Marquez will come back stronger for the third fight :bbb

[Toopretty]

Good stoppage. No doubt. Marquez was punching back but not with the power needed to change the fight. I would stop either way around. Both guys hit too hard not to stop it. I mean both have monster punches they are 122 pounds fucking showing more power then fucking heavier fighters. I mean, you feel that shit...

[bmf95b]

YES I saw the marquez corner throw in the TOWEL ! Did anyone else notice the only one complaining was Rafael himself and not anyone IN HIS CORNER...

[brooklyn1550]

I second that - good stoppage

Great pick with Vazquez Bazooka!

[digiram]

Bad stoppage IMO. I wanted to see Rafa get beat on some more.

C'mon...The What. That's wrong :patsch .

I wanna see part 3. I think Marq can win, but he needs to keep the fight in the center of the ring. He cannot let Vas get inside. Gotta jab and counter with the right when Vas tries to throw that left hook. He's still quicker, but has to make use of it.

[King Dan]

Might have been a slightly premature stoppage based on the fact that Marquez was not out on his feet and was punching back a few seconds earlier.

I did however see the towel come in late, don't know for sure if it was Marquez's corner quitting or Vazquez's corner already celebrating.

That said, Vazquez had been the better man from the moment he put Marquez on his ass and was most likely going to stop Rafa within a few rounds.

Rafa had rubber legs for the 5th and 6th rounds and Vazquez was punching hard.

[Jack]

Wasn't that from the hard camera? If so, it means it was from the corner of Vasquez. he was in the bottom right, Marquez was in the top left, and the shirt/towel, landed on the bottom right corner.

It may not have been the hard camera, but I thought it was at the time. I'll have to download it tommorow.

And I also thought it was quite a while after the fight was done/ if it was thrown in to stop it, the person chucking it probably would have known it was stopped already.

I think it was from the Vazquez corner in celebration or something. I'll rewatch the footage though.

[Martini643]

i wanted marquez to win but hats off to vasquez, i think the ref may have stopped it a bit early, but it wasnt a horrible stoppage. I thought the fight should have been stopped for the sake of both fighters

[thewoo]

It looked to me like the towel came in after the stoppage and like it was from Vasquez's corner. Like they threw it up in celebration

[a.arthur.h]

Looking at Marquez's face just prior to the stoppage I was saying myself..oh shit..there goes my prediction. He got hit with quite a few flush right hands when they had their heads together..just wasn't able to stop any of the punches. And while he was throwing still, they seemed to have no steam on them at all, whereas Vasquez was still throwing with some pop.

I thought Marquez would win, but I completely agree with the stoppage. I would hate to have seem him hurt bad and ruin the possibility of a third fight. At least now Vasquez has the nose excuse and Marquez has the quick stoppage excuse..all the more reason to "settle it once and for all" in a great third fight.

Tremendous fighters the both of them.

[Bazooka]

Not sure if I can validate that, Honeslty it might have been but then again when do towels ever get thrown up on the top rope in celebration as a coach myself that is a clear sign to the ref to stop the fight.

[Nico]

Dammit Rafael! Why don't you learn a little something from your brother and BOX?!? (lost a lot of vCash on this) :yep

Seriously, I have so much respect for both of these guys after these two fights. And I'm impressed with anyone who correctly predicted Vazquez by stoppage. He hits like a fucking freight train.

[knockout]

Shit 300 cash up in smoke :-( :smoke

[Lampley]

I missed the hell out of this. I thought Marquez was too good for him. I called the round correctly, but for the wrong guy!

[Nico]

I missed the hell out of this. I thought Marquez was too good for him. I called the round correctly, but for the wrong guy!


I called it wrong as well. I was expecting Marquez' jab to do a lot of damage, and for Rafael to successfully nail him with shots from the outside. Also, Marquez came up in weight for the first fight, and I thought he would be better accustomed to carrying the extra four pounds this time around.

[Lampley]

I called it wrong as well. I was expecting Marquez' jab to do a lot of damage, and for Rafael to successfully nail him with shots from the outside. Also, Marquez came up in weight for the first fight, and I thought he would be better accustomed to carrying the extra four pounds this time around.

I thought almost exactly the same as you. And combined with Roach's comments about the deteriorating condition of Vazquez, it seemed to me that Marquez might make quick work of him.

But I was rooting for Vazquez, so I'm happy to be wrong. I just hope they're both OK and maybe up for a third bout.

[IntentionalButt]

I thought almost exactly the same as you. And combined with Roach's comments about the deteriorating condition of Vazquez, it seemed to me that Marquez might make quick work of him.

But I was rooting for Vazquez, so I'm happy to be wrong. I just hope they're both OK and maybe up for a third bout.
I'm more than willing to give them longer than five months this time. And I'm certainly willing to pay good money for it. There's no way they'll be able to resist making this a PPV, and in the ensuing months they will surely play up the controversial stoppage angle to drum up interest (despite the facts stated in this thread)...hopefully they build a really good card around it and make it a very special night.

[Lampley]

I'm more than willing to give them longer than five months this time. And I'm certainly willing to pay good money for it. There's no way they'll be able to resist making this a PPV, and in the ensuing months they will surely play up the controversial stoppage angle to drum up interest (despite the facts stated in this thread)...hopefully they build a really good card around it and make it a very special night.

I like this idea, but it's tough to sell the little guys on PPV. To me, that would be the perfect time to have a Vargas/Mayorga-type fight as a co-feature, something with a little bit more name recognition but not really a hot fight as far as relevence is concerned.

However it works out, I hope both guys get major paydays for another fight.

[Alo2006]

Both guys are true warriors. I thought the fight was stopped a lil early. Especially after Marquez being hurt in the ealier rounds and recovering. I thought he could probably survive that round, but who knows. Bring on the 3rd fight :happy

[Bazooka]

I think the stoppage was on time I watched it again and Israel was going to stop Marquez either way there was too much time left in that round and even if Marquez made it out of that round he would have to come back out for more and Vazquez IMO is a very very under rated fighter this kid would beat Manny Pacquiaos ass in sparring at Wildcard back in the day I promise you Israel Vazquez can fight.

[jyuza]

Might have been a slightly premature stoppage based on the fact that Marquez was not out on his feet and was punching back a few seconds earlier.

I did however see the towel come in late, don't know for sure if it was Marquez's corner quitting or Vazquez's corner already celebrating.

That said, Vazquez had been the better man from the moment he put Marquez on his ass and was most likely going to stop Rafa within a few rounds.

Rafa had rubber legs for the 5th and 6th rounds and Vazquez was punching hard.

Good post.

[IntentionalButt]

nearly ten consecutive hard, clean, unanswered landed shots to rafael's one in return. good stoppage.

[divac]

Horrible stoppage. It was a give and take battle with both taking turns hurting eachother.

Marquez imo still had his legs under him, and he was firing when the ref stepped in to stop it.

There is no excuse really for stopping a fight this good and of this magnitude.
I cold understand a stoppage if Vasquez was administering a one way beating. But it was far from it.
All the official cards were razor close, with Vasquez having a small edge due to the knockdown.
Showtimes three press row judges all had Marquez leading on their cards.

......so you dont stop a fight like this unless one fighter is helpless on the ropes with his arms dropped to his side and not firing.

When Diego Corrales stopped JL Castillo in their epic war, Castillo got caught by vicious Corrales shots....Castillo's eyes rolled, and his body and arms went limp.....thats a good stoppage.

Raphael Marquez still had his legs under him and firing.

I got to feel theirs a good chance we missed out on another Gatti-Ward, Corrales-Castillo type of fight.....the fight certainly had the makings to have been talked about with the epic battles of all-time.
......for those old enough to remember, this fight was headed to another Wilfredo Gomez-Lupe Pintor type of ending.

As a fan, I felt the ref not only jobbed Marquez, he deprived me of witnessing such epic battle!:?

A phuey stoppage in where else, but Israel Vasquez' backyard!:-(

Let me just add that this is by no means Vasquez fault. There is no reason why he should'nt be allowed to enjoy his winning back the title, but even he must feel like the ref cheated him from a conclusive ending!

[divac]

that wasnt the towel it was a while corner shit , definitely from Vas corner

GREAT

now a trilogy, these guys define boxing..

Exactly! A towel was thrown and hung on the ring ropes, but it was only after the fight had been stopped.
It could have been thrown by anybody, even the Marquez corner in disgust of the stopppage.
....but make no mistake, the towel was thrown well after the fight had been stopped.

Bazooka has got to be a diehard Vasquez fan to claim such utter bullcrap!

[psychopath]

Exactly! A towel was thrown and hung on the ring ropes, but it was only after the fight had been stopped.
It could have been thrown by anybody, even the Marquez corner in disgust of the stopppage.
....but make no mistake, the towel was thrown well after the fight had been stopped.

Bazooka has got to be a diehard Vasquez fan to claim such utter bullcrap!

With a thrown towel or none . . . that's a good stoppage. You never know how much damage Rafa's brain has sustained at that moment.

It's better that Rafa live on to fight another day.

Vasquez quit on the first fight because he can't breath which puts him in a disadvantage . . . now he came back stronger.

The third fight would be the ultimate.

[PH|LLA]

too quick on the stoppage but great fight

[Archie_Moore]

I watched the fight today, and after hearing it was a premature stoppage I was waiting to be pissed off, but after seeing the fight and how Marquez was looking I thought it was a good stoppage. Marquez was hurt and not throwing his punches with the same power. Safe the brain cells for the third fight. :good

[Grinder]

Haven't seen the fight. What's wrong with boxing? Diaz vs Morales over Marquez vs Vasquez?

F--k

These guys are both big punchers at this weight and can truly hurt each other. I would guess that it was a good stoppage considering two or three punches could cause serious long-term damage.

[SweetScienceFan]

Just look in the backround.

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[smokey]

I think the stoppage was premature, but the ref was probably looking at it from the standpoint that Marquez was clearly in trouble, and with that much time left in the round, he was just going to get beat down. The way he was lurching horribly whenever Vasquez's glancing blows were hitting him showed he had no legs. I think the KO was almost guaranteed in that round, and the ref chose to save Rafael from further punishment.

Those that disagree have a legit point, but I can't fault the ref for trying to protect a guy who looked to have lost the ability to defend himself after already taking incredible punishment throughout the fight.

I'm also glad that I predicted the outcome. I think the Showtime poll had me in the 20% minority.

[divac]

Had this been the ref for such fights.....

No Foreman-Lyle slugfest......

Tommy Hearns would have been stopped midrounds when Leonard hurt him at that stage in their epic Welterweight showdown......

Evander Holyfield would have been stopped by such fighters as Alex Stewart and Bert Cooper, not to mention there would have been no epic 10th round vs Riddick Bowe......

All three Gatti-Ward fights would have been stopped early......

Castillo Corrales would have been stopped anytime the ref pleased.....


You give the fighters a chance to fight, once again, Raphael Marquez was not teeter tottering around the ring as Evander Holyfield was vs Riddick Bowe and that fight was not stopped........


The list goes on and on.......we would have never have seen Juan Manuel Marquez come back from 3 knockdowns to school Manny Pacquiao had we had that referee......

Either that ref panicked, or he was on the take to stop that fight in Vasquez favor at first chance.
I hope it was the latter, but I fear it was not!

For Christ sake, we missed out on what was surely to be an epic conclusive ending to a terrific fight!
.....and the ref spit in our faces!:-(

[PATSYS]

Watch the copy you taped just as the ref was stopping the fight, the corner of Marquez threw in the towel. so dont come here with any bullshit excuses

So that is why there was absolutely no protest in Rafa's corner. :good

[sweet_scientist]

Vlade please! Marquez still had his legs under him? What are you talking about!?! He stumbled sideways twice after the knockdown. Had he not been on the ropes he would have fell over.

He had NO legs under him and that's why it was a perfect stoppage. This was exactly like the Judah-Cotto stoppage. Stopped at exactly the right time just before the coup de grace was about to come!

[Lupe]

Divac, I agree completely with your sentiments. THough I did not watch the fight but I have two comments.

1. Throwing a towel in the ring is not a way to stop the fight. A cornermen has to climb to the ring apron and signal to the ref. This was meant to prevent anybody from just throwing the towel in the ring.

2. It's unfair to the fighter and the paying fans for the ref to stop the fight when the other fighter is still throwing.

[sweet_scientist]

Referees are totally entitled to stop a fight when the other fighter CAN NO LONGER DEFEND THEMSELVES. Whether they can still throw out some feeble punches is irrelevant.

[divac]

Vlade please! Marquez still had his legs under him? What are you talking about!?! He stumbled sideways twice after the knockdown. Had he not been on the ropes he would have fell over.

He had NO legs under him and that's why it was a perfect stoppage. This was exactly like the Judah-Cotto stoppage. Stopped at exactly the right time just before the coup de grace was about to come!

Vasquez' shots were moving Marquez, but was Marquez teeter tottering aroung the ring with no legs to stand on?????

Absolutely not!!!
The force of Vasquez shot had just knocked Marquez back a couple of steps, but we had seen that on more than a couple of occasions in the fight and Marquez gamely fought back!

I cant say I'm suprised with your analysis Scientist.....but Jesus, to compare the one way beating of Cotto to Judah to this Marquez-Vasquez fight is laughably hillarious!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
......and sad!!!:-(

When a fighter has gotten beatdown throughout, then a ref in that situation can say enough, I'm not going to see the fight come to its natural conclusion because you have'nt shown me you're competing.....
.....but this fight was a seesaw that could have easily have had another few tide turns!
Its a pity the ref did'nt let the fight come to a natural conclusion!

I tell you, we missed out on a possible epic fight for all times!!!

[PATSYS]

I tell you, we missed out on a possible epic fight for all times!!!

Or a possible permanent brain damage on Rafa. :yep

Even Rafa's corner didn't put up much protest with the stoppage. So give it up.

[divac]

Divac, I agree completely with your sentiments. THough I did not watch the fight but I have two comments.

1. Throwing a towel in the ring is not a way to stop the fight. A cornermen has to climb to the ring apron and signal to the ref. This was meant to prevent anybody from just throwing the towel in the ring.

2. It's unfair to the fighter and the paying fans for the ref to stop the fight when the other fighter is still throwing.

Lupe, there was no towel thrown.

There was a towel thrown at the ring apron right after the fight had already been stopped but the video tape does'nt show where or who it came from, it could have come from someone sitting near ringside or who knows where.

[sweet_scientist]

Vasquez' shots were moving Marquez, but was Marquez teeter tottering aroung the ring with no legs to stand on?????

Absolutely not!!!
The force of Vasquez shot had just knocked Marquez back a couple of steps, but we had seen that on more than a couple of occasions in the fight and Marquez gamely fought back!

I cant say I'm suprised with your analysis Scientist.....but Jesus, to compare the one way beating of Cotto to Judah to this Marquez-Vasquez fight is laughably hillarious!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
......and sad!!!:-(

When a fighter has gotten beatdown throughout, then a ref in that situation can say enough, I'm not going to see the fight come to its natural conclusion because you have'nt shown me you're competing.....
.....but this fight was a seesaw that could have easily have had another few tide turns!
Its a pity the ref did'nt let the fight come to a natural conclusion!

I tell you, we missed out on a possible epic fight for all times!!!

The tide of the fight wasn't similar to Cotto-Judah, but for all intents and purposes, the ending was. There was a knockdown, there was wobbling and there was an inability to put up a defence.

The force of Vasquez's shots knocked Marquez back on more than a couple of occasions? Yeah they did, but not twice in 20 seconds after a knockdown. Had the ropes not been there, Marquez would have fell out of the ring. His legs were gone, and if you're still not convinced, look at the struggle the ref has to keep Marquez up after he stumbles again after the fight has been called off.

[InHumanForm]

i was at the fight and it was amazing. watching it live it looked like a bad stop, but watching the fight again later that night on mexican television i think it was a good call. right before the ref stepped in all you had to do was look at rafa's face. he was done. his eyes were practically closed and he had defeat written all over his face. good stop and i'm looking foward to the third fight.

[Bazooka]

This was Vas corner in celebration definitely, I think its a shirt, BTW a towel in the ring is not legal anyway, the chief 2nd must actually step in the ring for a fight to be stopped and this shirt or towel went in after the ref stopped it , thrown like a hat

actually his cornerman has another towel over his shoulder if you look in that picture so who knows where it came from more than likely the someone in the seats threw it.

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