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This article says that thanks to B-Hop, boxing is doing better than MMA lately. I'm not sure what my pal Joe is writing, but it's still interesting.
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Addie
11-01-2008, 05:03 PM
This article says that thanks to B-Hop, boxing is doing better than MMA lately. I'm not sure what my pal Joe is writing, but it's still interesting.
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MMA isn't in Boxings league and no matter how many Anderson Silva's come out of the woodwork, that won't change.
mma will be forgotten in 5 years or so...
doug.ie
11-01-2008, 05:20 PM
as a life long boxing fan...i will never associate mma, ufc etc with boxing...
scott is cool
11-01-2008, 05:26 PM
Boxing is much better, I think if fighters likes Cotto, Pacquiao and Hatton were trained for MMA they would destroy them, with their punching power, speed and they can also push people around a bit.
EL-MATADOR
11-01-2008, 05:40 PM
mma will be forgotten in 5 years or so...
:good
MrMagic
11-01-2008, 05:41 PM
I never cared for the "competition".
Boxing is and will probably always be great.
Gatekeeper78
11-01-2008, 05:46 PM
Boxing is much better, MMA is gay.
SouthpawSlayer
11-01-2008, 05:53 PM
boxing will always be above mma in terms of popularity (worldwide)
truewarrior
11-01-2008, 06:03 PM
Well its no surprise man. I always loved MMA and Boxing but Dana White is a fuckin cunt who disrespects boxing like its nothing.
p.falk
11-01-2008, 06:16 PM
The pub my friend owns use to air mma fights. But hasn't since mid 2007. Just not enough heads filling the pub to justify paying the cost for buying the PPV. Bar and pub owners pay alot more for PPVs.
However, he did pick up some boxing matches recently. God bless the mexicans and puerto ricans that come out. Especially for the Cotto - Margarito fight.
Also, he has less in-Pub problems with mexicans and puerto ricans than he had with the shaved head, affliction shirt wearing, mma guys that would come in.
Larryboys
11-01-2008, 06:22 PM
Someone needs to explain to the media there is a difference between MMA and the UFC. MMA is a sport, UFC is a group within that sport. Just because UFC is very popular does not mean the whole sport is. Are any of the other MMA organisations even turning a profit? 1 closed last week, Pride which used to be really big closed a couple of years ago. I think Cage Rage over here in the UK was supposed to be heavily papering crowds and losing money. UFC only does about a dozen shows a year, a dozen succesful shows a year worldwide does not make it a successful sport.
p.falk
11-01-2008, 06:26 PM
Someone needs to explain to the media there is a difference between MMA and the UFC. MMA is a sport, UFC is a group within that sport. Just because UFC is very popular does not mean the whole sport is. Are any of the other MMA organisations even turning a profit? 1 closed last week, Pride which used to be really big closed a couple of years ago. I think Cage Rage over here in the UK was supposed to be heavily papering crowds and losing money. UFC only does about a dozen shows a year, a dozen succesful shows a year worldwide does not make it a successful sport.
Good point.
It's like with football in the States.
The NFL isn't the only organization that have tried to display the sport of football in a publicly televised format. The other competitors have fell to the wayside.
Someone needs to explain to the media there is a difference between MMA and the UFC. MMA is a sport, UFC is a group within that sport. Just because UFC is very popular does not mean the whole sport is. Are any of the other MMA organisations even turning a profit? 1 closed last week, Pride which used to be really big closed a couple of years ago. I think Cage Rage over here in the UK was supposed to be heavily papering crowds and losing money. UFC only does about a dozen shows a year, a dozen succesful shows a year worldwide does not make it a successful sport.
Your point is understandable, but at least within this thread, the comparison is between two sports, boxing and mixed martial arts, not between the sport of boxing and the ufc organization.
Box-on
11-01-2008, 06:53 PM
Boxing will always have the edge on MMA which is basically 'human cockfighting'. The amateur side of our sport is in the Olympics where you will never see MMA. It's a fad which will prolly go underground in years to come.
Larryboys
11-01-2008, 06:56 PM
Your point is understandable, but at least within this thread, the comparison is between two sports, boxing and mixed martial arts, not between the sport of boxing and the ufc organization.
True. I was just pointing out that whenever I see these mainstream paper articles on this subject, they're very poorly researched, they don't seem to understand that UFC popularity in America does not translate to worldwide MMA popularity. It's like thinking boxing doesn't exist outside of HBO, true that's where the biggest money is, but the sport is successful all around the world outside of them. I was referring to mainstream writers, not posters here.
True. I was just pointing out that whenever I see these mainstream paper articles on this subject, they're very poorly researched, they don't seem to understand that UFC popularity in America does not translate to worldwide MMA popularity. It's like thinking boxing doesn't exist outside of HBO, true that's where the biggest money is, but the sport is successful all around the world outside of them. I was referring to mainstream writers, not posters here.
:good
jimmie
11-01-2008, 07:56 PM
Its totally to different sports so who really gives a fuck the comparison is stupid. Boxing is with the hands thats a very small aspect of MMA I dont see why its so important to compare the 2 sports. Its like comparing open wheel racing to stock car racing sure its a combat sport like those 2 are racing sports but its totally different.
sugarngold
11-01-2008, 08:10 PM
There is no competition between boxing and MMA. It's like saying you can't watch basketball because you like football. That's just a foolish notion to hold.
Most boxers would decimate MMA fighters in a boxing ring - but if a boxer fought under MMA rules without proper training - the boxer would get destroyed easily - in the first round.
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dudemcdudeson
11-01-2008, 08:11 PM
MMA may have surpassed pro wrestling but boxing has been around for hundreds of years and won't go anywhere anytime soon.
sugarngold
11-01-2008, 08:23 PM
MMA may have surpassed pro wrestling but boxing has been around for hundreds of years and won't go anywhere anytime soon.
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MMA ain't going away any time soon. It's alright because we can still watch both boxing and MMA. There is no competition between the two unless it's a head to head pay-per-view one night - but boxing does that to itself all the time by having competing cards going head to head.
Someone needs to explain to the media there is a difference between MMA and the UFC. MMA is a sport, UFC is a group within that sport. Just because UFC is very popular does not mean the whole sport is. Are any of the other MMA organisations even turning a profit? 1 closed last week, Pride which used to be really big closed a couple of years ago. I think Cage Rage over here in the UK was supposed to be heavily papering crowds and losing money. UFC only does about a dozen shows a year, a dozen succesful shows a year worldwide does not make it a successful sport.
UFC is basically the sport. Pride is also back alive with "Dream" and doing well.
Affliction although only doing one show is going to be very successful. Allowing fighters to fight for other organizations as well as their own.
UFC, Affliction, Dream are the cream of the crop MMA shows.
EliteXC which you speak of that went under was 2nd rate and meant nothing to the sport.
Boxing more popular worldwide but MMA is an entirely different sport. It wont fade out but it wont ever take over boxing.
MikeC
11-01-2008, 08:27 PM
You know, 5 years ago people were saying MMA would NEVER BE ON BOXINGS level.... 5 years later, in america.... MMA trounces boxing on average.
Now were saying it wont ever be on par worldwide... and i wouldnt be so sure.
Nobody wants mma to dissapear more then me... but its not going to happen, it will be here forever now that it has arrived... trust me.
sugarngold
11-01-2008, 08:33 PM
I don't know if you guys know this or not - but if you read through ESB's MMA Forum you will never see a poster say that he hates boxing and wants it to go away. Everyone there loves boxing as well as MMA. Yet in the General, Classic and other forums you always see posters saying that MMA needs to go away. Why is that?
I'm not trying to convert anyone - we all like what we like. I'm just offering food for thought.
Tito Time
11-01-2008, 08:40 PM
interesting
MellowChimp
11-01-2008, 08:55 PM
I don't know if you guys know this or not - but if you read through ESB's MMA Forum you will never see a poster say that he hates boxing and wants it to go away. Everyone there loves boxing as well as MMA. Yet in the General, Classic and other forums you always see posters saying that MMA needs to go away. Why is that?
I'm not trying to convert anyone - we all like what we like. I'm just offering food for thought.
agreed - like both as different 'sports' - and cant entirely work out the illogical hatred some boxing fans have of mma.
not sure about the poster above who things MMA is a new thing where without being a anthropologist i reckon as soon as we had arms and legs we developed varying ways to kick, punch, snap and choke each other - and a desire to watch it in all its forms.
flem1
11-01-2008, 09:25 PM
UFC is basically the sport. Pride is also back alive with "Dream" and doing well.
Affliction although only doing one show is going to be very successful. Allowing fighters to fight for other organizations as well as their own.
UFC, Affliction, Dream are the cream of the crop MMA shows.
EliteXC which you speak of that went under was 2nd rate and meant nothing to the sport.
Boxing more popular worldwide but MMA is an entirely different sport. It wont fade out but it wont ever take over boxing.
And where did you get that DREAM is doing well? It consistently gets low ratings in Japan.
imp4pdabest
11-01-2008, 09:27 PM
Boxing will always have an edge over UFC
fuck mma.
boxing foe life
And where did you get that DREAM is doing well? It consistently gets low ratings in Japan.
From being completely obliterated to starting fresh they are doing well for themselves.
imp4pdabest
11-01-2008, 09:38 PM
From being completely obliterated to starting fresh they are doing well for themselves.
true. but i dont know if theyll continue to get better
gottagivafight
11-01-2008, 09:42 PM
I knew it'd be Quicksilver fame n' fortune. I seen the writing on the wall.
true. but i dont know if theyll continue to get better
Better than EliteXC which a lot of MMA haters seem to have thought that was a huge thing that it died. :lol:
imp4pdabest
11-01-2008, 10:04 PM
LoL. EliteXC, LMAO! EliteXC is a joke
LoL. EliteXC, LMAO! EliteXC is a joke
It was 2nd rate. My friend was fighting for that organization. Ill be in vegas tommorow training with him at XC for a week or two.
I hope to bring home a lot of pictures..
flem1
11-01-2008, 10:53 PM
From being completely obliterated to starting fresh they are doing well for themselves.
Really? Japan does not even care for them as well. They are always at the bottom of the ratings. They can't even fill stadiums in each show.
sitiyzal
11-01-2008, 11:38 PM
Boxing will hit an all time low once Lesnar-Couture happens, especially if Lesnar wins over the living legend. And considering the De La Hoya- Pacquia fight is a farce anyways, its unlikely boxing will have a bigger fight coming up to rebound it after anytime soon.
:patsch
Kairos
11-01-2008, 11:40 PM
If the UFC had better production and better rules like pride, and if it was on t.v. more, it would dominate all other sports except for football imo.
mma will be forgotten in 5 years or so...
:thumbsup
PUMPERG
11-02-2008, 01:45 AM
All I Know Is Boxing Is Stll Promoting These Old Dudes That Were Killing People 10 Yrs Ago. To Me Boxing Is Boring Now, And Mma Is Were It Is At. Out Wit The Old, In Wit The New. Mma Takeover Baby!!!
ufoalf
11-02-2008, 03:29 AM
"MMA" was one THE sport in ancient Greece for a reason. People would be watching that sport as if the champion of that would be the champion of the whole Olympic games.
It's here to stay, and you better believe it. It's only 17 +/- years old. The new generation of kids will be equally if not more interested in MMA compared to boxing.
SouthpawSlayer
11-02-2008, 05:31 AM
Someone needs to explain to the media there is a difference between MMA and the UFC. MMA is a sport, UFC is a group within that sport. Just because UFC is very popular does not mean the whole sport is. Are any of the other MMA organisations even turning a profit? 1 closed last week, Pride which used to be really big closed a couple of years ago. I think Cage Rage over here in the UK was supposed to be heavily papering crowds and losing money. UFC only does about a dozen shows a year, a dozen succesful shows a year worldwide does not make it a successful sport.
great point
mma will be forgotten in 5 years or so...
Fat Chance.
"MMA" was one THE sport in ancient Greece for a reason. People would be watching that sport as if the champion of that would be the champion of the whole Olympic games.
It's here to stay, and you better believe it. It's only 17 +/- years old. The new generation of kids will be equally if not more interested in MMA compared to boxing.
thats the reality :yep
Club Fighter
11-02-2008, 05:10 PM
As I've stated many times on this board, my allegiance lies with boxing although I do watch and enjoy MMA.
mma will be forgotten in 5 years or so...
Stupid fuckin' post. It's been around for way longer than that. Won't die off just cuz at home closing your eyes, clutching your fists, hoping it'll implode.
The pub my friend owns use to air mma fights. But hasn't since mid 2007. Just not enough heads filling the pub to justify paying the cost for buying the PPV. Bar and pub owners pay alot more for PPVs.
However, he did pick up some boxing matches recently. God bless the mexicans and puerto ricans that come out. Especially for the Cotto - Margarito fight.
Also, he has less in-Pub problems with mexicans and puerto ricans than he had with the shaved head, affliction shirt wearing, mma guys that would come in.
GTFO here. Where the hell is the pub that your boy owns that's able to combine tanked up chicanos and boricuas with their favorite boxers squaring off that doesn't end in a booze-fueled altercation? Chicanos tank up and fight each other on their own minus all the added incentives. I'd love to see this peace-loving bar if it truly exists.
Someone needs to explain to the media there is a difference between MMA and the UFC. MMA is a sport, UFC is a group within that sport. Just because UFC is very popular does not mean the whole sport is. Are any of the other MMA organisations even turning a profit? 1 closed last week, Pride which used to be really big closed a couple of years ago. I think Cage Rage over here in the UK was supposed to be heavily papering crowds and losing money. UFC only does about a dozen shows a year, a dozen succesful shows a year worldwide does not make it a successful sport.
Count up how many successful boxing PPVs there are a year and do a comparison by numbers. You'll find out that not only is MMA successful, it is truly competitive with boxing. Think about what you say before you say it. The NFL is insanely popular. The XFL tanked. It doesn't mean, in turn, that football is not popular here. ECW & WCW got swallowed up by the WWE. That doesn't mean that people don't like wrestling as the WWE continues to do quite well. A dozen successful shows worldwide does make a successful sport if that is what its expectations are. You cannot overlook the popularity of the Ultimate Fighter whose breajout success paved the way for the boxing show the Contender . . . which hasn't had nearly the same amount of success. At this particular juncture MMA makes its way onto broadcast television. The same cannot be said for my beloved boxing.
How about they're both doing well, and they're not really competing to put each other out of business, so who the fuck cares? There's plenty of room for multiple sports. Is football dying because of basketball or hockey or baseball? No. All the sports have their fans. Some fans watch a million sports.
I watch both MMA and boxing. Unless you're an idiot, it's not too hard to follow two things.
This whole, "MMA will be forgotten, boxing rules!" makes no sense.
p.falk
11-02-2008, 06:38 PM
All those saying "MMA" has been around since the Greek olympics.
Granted. No doubt it has been.
But what happened? Why the ebb and flow of it's popularity?
Okay, it was big during olympics in antiquity. And now it's big some 2000 years later? And I'm supposed to trust the sentiment "MMA will be around for a loooooooong time". What is this based off of? Certainly not it's historical success.
It can't be claimed, "Well, mma is a new sport.. it's just catching on." Because, it can't be both a new sport and have a history that stretches back 2 millenia.
Look at pro-wrestling. It didn't start as pro-wrestling in the sence of choreographed matches. It started as catch-wrestling. Some submissions very analogous to holds we see in mma today. Why, some hundred years back, when it surfacing... it was eventually co-opted into pro-wrestling?
The history of mma and the history of catch wrestling in the States (as well as other parts of the world) shouldn't lead anyone to conclude, "yeah, but THIS time.... it is going to last."
Catch-wrestling started churning out boring grappling matches. The fan base started to dwindle. In comes scripting, out goes technical subs.
Saying that mma is going to trump boxing is tantamount to saying that football is going to trump running. Both of the formers heavily incorporate the elements of the later. Remove the later, remove the viability of the former. In both cases, the later has a more consistent history... it's the former that ebbs and flows.
p.falk
11-02-2008, 06:39 PM
This whole, "MMA will be forgotten, boxing rules!" makes no sense.
It makes sense if you consider their respective histories.
It makes sense if you consider their respective histories.
No. Sports don't just disapear. Many of them exist at the same time and manage to do just fine.
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